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Saturday, May 16, 2009
By Shamim Bano
Karachi
Thirteen-year-old rape victim Nasima Lubano recorded her statement in the court of District and Session Judge (South) Faheem Ahmed Siddiqi on Friday
Two types of statements were recorded during proceedings: the examination in chief which was conducted by Deputy District Public Prosecutor (DDPP) Abdul Maroof, and a cross-examination conducted by Defence Counsel (DC) SM Iqbal Shah.
Revealing her plight, Lubano, a resident of district Ubaro, said that two men, Abdul Sattar and Mohammed Anwer Hussain, raped her on January 27, 2007. She said that later, on she was taken to a courtyard where nine other people abused her and physically humiliated her. Hearing her cries, two men, Jamaluddin and Mohammed Sardar, barged into the courtyard, allowing her the opportunity to escape, albeit naked, and reach home, where she narrated the entire gruesome tale to her parents. Lubano’s medical examination and treatment was conducted the same day, while the very next day, she recorded her statement under section 164 of the criminal procedure, and her thumb impressions were taken.
After the DDPP had completed questioning, the court asked the DC to initiate cross-examination, however DC Shah said that he was not prepared for cross-examination and needed time. The court censured the DC, stating that he should have come prepared, but adjourned the hearing till May 20. It is worth remembering that the DC was only recently appointed to the case. He is the third lawyer to take up the case. Nasima Lubano was allegedly gang-raped by 11 men, of which three, Abdul Sattar, Morozado and Munawar Hasan, are still at large. Another accused, Long Khan, expired during the jail trial. The other seven accused include: Shahzado, Abdul Jabbar, Anwar Hussain, Khadim Hussain, Ali Hasan, Shah BAig and Bashir Ahmed.
Hamza Lubano had lodged a report at the police station Ubaro under section 354-A, 387-a, 337-F(10 147, 148, 149 of the Pakistan Penal code, FIR 07/2007, stating that a dispute took place between Abdul Sattar and him on a children-related matter, upon which Sattar threatened to violate his honour so that “he could no longer live in society”.
Labano’s relative reportedly kidnapped the daughter of Anwar Khan some time back; and in order to avenge her honour, Anwar Khan and his ten accomplices abducted Nasima, and took her to Sattar’s residence, where ten persons allegedly raped her. The sexual assault by ten persons has also been proved by the medical report.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=177831
Got to keep that honor. Rape, rape, rape. Koran says that it's ok! No wonder Pakistan is on the verge of political collapse. Why would anyone expect the government to do anything about this?
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More Islam demonizing for sure...was this in haaretz or something?
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Samson, you defend Islam? You're worried that it's getting demonized?
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Samson, you defend Islam? You're worried that it's getting demonized?
Absolutely! Every people have the right to practice their own religious belief and live under the culture they have lived under BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE.
Sadly in america it seems ignorance has become the norm...Somehow no one, despite universities, books, libraries, encyclopedias, documentaries etc etc, takes the time to do even a little bit of research to find out the so called RADICAL MUSLIM was RADICALIZED by america and Britain. These people are operating under the oppressive foreign policy of both nations, having the "infidel" in their own back yard, have been subject to violence, wars, attacks, demonization, embargoes and the like for many decades. This has brought about the contemptuous feelings and action by sects that have HAD ENOUGH!!!
Now in america the talk of the UNLAWFUL LIE FILLED ATTACK ON IRAQ is all but nonexistent (thanks to the financial disaster) yet no one seems to remember that IRAQ has been totally destroyed on the LIES of america. This attack has gone on for years with devastating effects from white phosphorus, DU, chemical warfare, biological attacks and infrastructure attacks from america and various EU countries and yet this in the mind of americans is OK. Americans foolishly ask ..WHY ARE THEY SO ANGRY? WHY DO THEY WANT TO KILL AMERICANS?? DUH...could it be because you have killed so many of them..1.5 MILLION at last count, 5 MILLION sent into refugee status fleeing into many nations, homeland pillaged, robbed and destroyed by america!!!...could that be it?
These attacks and barbaric behavior have gone on for decades...and now america is spreading it into Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Georgia (Russia) and looking to carry it further into Africa, Indonesia and Malaysia...all the while demonizing and killing (or causing civil wars) the peoples of these nations while americans sit back CLUELESS to the evils of their own nation. These nations and people have been in their homeland for MILLENIA and at no time has this continuous violence existed. These people are the beginning of life on earth, have brought the knowledge of math, science, astronomy and civilization into being...Across the ocean is america...the last of nations on the planet. and in its few years has brought more death, destruction, mayhem, madness, wars, crimes against humanity and nature, violated the sovereign borders of many nations, filled the world with lies and deceits than practically all of the nations and kingdoms that have EVER existed.
You ask if I defend Islam? Question is DO YOU DEFEND THE FOREIGN POLICIES OF AMERICA?
Am I worried taht Islam is getting Demonized?? Americans should be worried that at some point all of those nations america has violated will come to deliver comeuppance upon the land?
I would be worried if I were you...
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What kind of return question is that? ::) No, I hate our foreign policy. That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Islam sucks ass.
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What kind of return question is that? ::) No, I hate our foreign policy. That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Islam sucks ass.
Islam does not "suck ass"...that negetive image is what has been presented to american for the sake of keeping the population in a state where it will ACCEPT whatever the american military/regulation/policy does to the people...foreign policy.
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Well that settles that. There's no fucking way in hell I can be you.
I do not think we should go marching off to destroy Islam. I do think they have the right to choose their poison, but that's part of the problem with Islam, how many do not have the right to walk away or refuse Islam? Justify that Samidiot.
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Samson, you defend Islam? You're worried that it's getting demonized?
There are many incarnations of Islam.
It depends up-on which interpretation you are going for.
The 'Taliban' version (extreme Wahhabism) is only any good for 'stone age Untermenchen' like this crown of loser in eye-liner & Blue hats (very scary look).
But 'Fundamentalist Christian' are just as whacked out 'IMO' - example Zionist Christian for Israyhell, I mean, come on, FFS,
Although most of the basic tenets are common to most Christians, many different variations of the faith exist today, led in the West by the 'Roman Catholic Church' (evil fuckers 'IMO') followed by the Protestant Church, the largest denominations of which in the US include the Presbyterian, Methodist/Episcopal, & their various subdivisions.
To tar-&-Feather them all would be lunacy !!
OH-MY.
PT - Somente um ting pode conservar-nos agora !! :o :o :'(
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There are many incarnations of Islam.
It depends up-on which interpretation you are going for.
The 'Taliban' version (extreme Wahhabism) is only any good for 'stone age Untermenchen' like this crown of loser in eye-liner & Blue hats (very scary look).
But 'Fundamentalist Christian' are just as whacked out 'IMO' - example Zionist Christian for Israyhell, I mean, come on, FFS,
Although most of the basic tenets are common to most Christians, many different variations of the faith exist today, led in the West by the 'Roman Catholic Church' (evil fuckers 'IMO') followed by the Protestant Church, the largest denominations of which in the US include the Presbyterian, Methodist/Episcopal, & their various subdivisions.
To tar-&-Feather them all would be lunacy !!
OH-MY.
PT - Somente um ting pode conservar-nos agora !! :o :o :'(
you don't see me defending christianity either. I have no Idea why I should give a pass to Islam, no matter what sort it is. IMO, it's either bad, really bad or fucked in the head bad.
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samson, how many muslims in the world don't have a choice in their faith?
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you don't see my defending christianity either. I have no Idea why I should give a pass to Islam, no matter what sort it is. IMO, it's either bad, really bad or fucked in the head bad.
Fair enough.
I was just playing devils advocate for a few post, back now ;)
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samson, how many muslims in the world don't have a choice in their faith?
Just read the press in the Muslim world that any prominent Muslim gets for walking away the religion. Usually revolves around them being deemed an apostate and marked for death by a few dozen terrorist groups. Try walking away from Islam in any Muslim country. You = dead.
Rape is justified by the Koran. ;)
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What do you expect from a religion that worships a goat-bugger names Muhammed, who liked to diddle little boys as well...
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What do you expect from a religion that worships a goat-bugger names Muhammed, who liked to diddle little boys as well...
So, when do you become a cop?
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Why, are you worried?
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Why, are you worried?
No. Well, kind of, then you become part of THEM, which would not be good.
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Typical muslim stuff. They = inferior.
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No. Well, kind of, then you become part of THEM, which would not be good.
Well, I guess you best hope I guard the FEMA camp 'they' send you to, eh?
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Well, I guess you best hope I guard the FEMA camp 'they' send you to, eh?
Won't be in the USA so I guess I am lucky in that sense.
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Won't be in the USA so I guess I am lucky in that sense.
We'll come and get you, don't worry nuthin' 'bout that... ;)
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We'll come and get you, don't worry nuthin' 'bout that... ;)
There will be bigger things to worry about than losers like me...believe me. ;)
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There will be bigger things to worry about than losers like me...believe me. ;)
We have room for everyone. :)
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Well that settles that. There's no fucking way in hell I can be you.
I do not think we should go marching off to destroy Islam. I do think they have the right to choose their poison, but that's part of the problem with Islam, how many do not have the right to walk away or refuse Islam? Justify that Samidiot.
There are many people who do not follow Islam, are Christians (how shockingis that) or are atheistic. Again this mindset pushed in america that if a person is not following Islam their hands will be cut off, or heads chopped off, or some other extreme act exacted on them is ridiculous. Stop equating Islam with violence, becasue truth is NO RELIGION IS MORE VIOLENT THAN CHRISTIANITY. Just Catholicism alone has been the cause of 600 MILLION deaths over the past few centuries. America kills more people (capital punishment) than all other nations (though it keeps talking about Islamic law and punishment) as well as has more people in jail than Russia, China and South Africa combined!!!!
The confusion keeps surfacing about why the media promoted image of Arabs as violent persists. I have already said that's due to the foreign policy of america which has RADICALIZED sects of these people to do extreme acts to bring attention to the injustices being exercised on their nations. In all honesty I wish the so called Christian americans were so devoted to Christian principle and laws...they would be an entirely different people with a different behavior. Just take a look at the TEN COMMANDMENTS and ask yourself "Am I following these laws as best I could?" Truth is few if ANY of the professed Christians in america follow ANY of the laws of the Bible...but they still call themselves Christians..now how ridiculous is that. In regard to raping children...How many children have been reaped by Catholic Priest, Rabbis and so called Christian cult groups? Just the catholic violations run into the TENS OF THOUSANDS. Yet somehow americans don't see this, but they see supposed 'honor rapes' committed in other nations..go figure.
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Well that settles that. There's no fucking way in hell I can be you.
I do not think we should go marching off to destroy Islam. I do think they have the right to choose their poison, but that's part of the problem with Islam, how many do not have the right to walk away or refuse Islam? Justify that Samidiot.
There is always a possibility.. ;D ;D ;D
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We have room for everyone. :)
I always feared you being a statist.
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samson, how many muslims in the world don't have a choice in their faith?
Americans have a choice and look at the CHAOS it has wrought? Baptist hating Methodist hating Catholics, hating Pentacostals, hating Jehova Witnesses, hating Episcipalians, hating Mormons (they are weird), hating Seven Day Adventists etc etc etc...Oddity is they all profess to worshipping GOD. How could there be so many religions when there is only one GOD and one BIBLE?
Look at the Klan who kills in the name of God-- try walking away from the Klan
Mormons who molest children in the name of God--Walk away from the mormons and get excommunicated
Catholicism that rapes in the name of God-- Excommunication if you leave
Scientology that says THERE IS NO GOD-- I guess scientology will THINK you into not leaving
Jehova Witness who says there is no JESUS-- Excommunication if a person leaves
Almost all religious beliefs in america have a reaction to persons leaving...and thanks only to jails and prisons do these so called Christians NOT resort to killing members who leave or people who say I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD.
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Americans have a choice and look at the CHAOS it has wrought? Baptist hating Methodist hating Catholics, hating Pentacostals, hating Jehova Witnesses, hating Episcipalians, hating Mormons (they are weird), hating Seven Day Adventists etc etc etc...Oddity is they all profess to worshipping GOD. How could there be so many religions when there is only one GOD and one BIBLE?
Look at the Klan who kills in the name of God-- try walking away from the Klan
Mormons who molest children in the name of God--Walk away from the mormons and get excommunicated
Catholicism that rapes in the name of God-- Excommunication if you leave
Scientology that says THERE IS NO GOD-- I guess scientology will THINK you into not leaving
Jehova Witness who says there is no JESUS-- Excommunication if a person leaves
Almost all religious beliefs in america have a reaction to persons leaving...and thanks only to jails and prisons do these so called Christians NOT resort to killing members who leave or people who say I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD.
It pales in comparison to the atrocities carried out by Muslims against Muslims. 13 year old girl being stoned to death because she reported a rape (she dishonored her Muslim family), another 16 year old Muslim girl being stoned to death because she wanted to be with a Christian boy. There are thousands of examples. Fuck off, spook.
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It pales in comparison to the atrocities carried out by Muslims against Muslims. 13 year old girl being stoned to death because she reported a rape (she dishonored her Muslim family), another 16 year old Muslim girl being stoned to death because she wanted to be with a Christian boy. There are thousands of examples. Fuck off, spook.
These acts.
They happen in how many countries where 'Islam' is the predominant, ideology ??
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It pales in comparison to the atrocities carried out by Muslims against Muslims. 13 year old girl being stoned to death because she reported a rape (she dishonored her Muslim family), another 16 year old Muslim girl being stoned to death because she wanted to be with a Christian boy. There are thousands of examples. Fuck off, spook.
Read the BIBLE on the punishment for violating the LAW...one of the first acts is STONING A PERSON TO DEATH...you're Bible illiterate I see.
Where are these crimes against Muslims you keep talking about? Heads chopped off, hands chopped off, stoned, yadda yadda yadda...again is this in Haaretz?
You make unsupported claims that only expose you as the LIAR you are...or does your belief in all of this nonsense give justification to your racism?
Sad white man who acts as though he is concerned for Arabs across miles of ocean and continents and yet in face to face contact with the same you exude contempt...
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Read the BIBLE on the punishment for violating the LAW...one of the first acts is STONING A PERSON TO DEATH...you're Bible illiterate I see.
Where are these crimes against Muslims you keep talking about? Heads chopped off, hands chopped off, stoned, yadda yadda yadda...again is this in Haaretz?
You make unsupported claims that only expose you as the LIAR you are...or does your belief in all of this nonsense give justification to your racism?
Sad white man who acts as though he is concerned for Arabs across miles of ocean and continents and yet in face to face contact with the same you exude contempt...
Can you provide me one instance in Western society of a 13 year old girl who reported a gang rape being stoned to death for punishment within the last two years? You can't, you lying twat.
Because I'm in the mood to absolutely OWN you, you lying, sniveling little shit, here you go:
Somali fighters stone 'rape victim'
In recent months the Islamic Courts' al-Shebab group appears to have gained strength [EPA]
A Somali girl who said she had been raped has been stoned to death in Somalia after being accused of adultery, a human rights group has said.
Amnesty International said in a press release on Friday that the victim, Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow, had been 13 years old - not 23 as earlier reports had suggested.
Duhulow was stoned to death on October 27 by dozens of men in a stadium packed with 1,000 spectators in the southern port city of Kismayo, Amnesty International and Somali media reported, citing witnesses.
The armed group in charge of Kismayo had accused her of adultery after she reported that three men had raped her, Amnesty said.
"This child suffered a horrendous death at the behest of the armed opposition groups who currently control Kismayo," David Copeman, Amnesty International's Somalia campaigner, said in a statement.
Initial local media reports said Duhulow was 23, but her father told Amnesty International she was 13.
The Islamic Courts took control of much of Somalia in 2006, triggering an intervention by neighbouring Ethiopia, which propped up the UN-backed transitional government and ousted the movement.
While the group's political leadership largely fled the country, the movement's military and youth wing, the al-Shaabab, switched to guerrilla warfare.
In recent months the group appears to have gained strength, taking over the port city of Kismayo, and dismantling pro-government roadblocks.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2008/11/2008111201216476354.html
This came from your raghead Muslim brethren in Al-Jazeera nonetheless. I can go all day. There are hundreds of examples of stuff like this happening. I provide sources and hard evidence, much unlike your fallacious stories that you conjure out of thin air and pull off of websites that you're afraid to source as they would expose you for the shill that you are.
Now get the fuck out of here, weasel.
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Read the BIBLE on the punishment for violating the LAW...one of the first acts is STONING A PERSON TO DEATH...you're Bible illiterate I see.
That was a thousand years ago. You don't see Christians pulling that shit nowdays like Muslims still do.
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The thing that gets me about this is the 'holier than thou' attitude most of you have against Islam. The western world are thought of (rightly or wrongly) as Christian following people. An example being USA. This is a country where there is a majority of Christian followers. Yet it has more cases of murder, rape, child abuse than ANY Islamic country. Heck, there are more serial killers past and present in American than any other country in the world. This is a Christian country by the way. Should we then demonize all Christian people or all Americans the way you demonize Islam and Islamic people?
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The thing that gets me about this is the 'holier than thou' attitude most of you have against Islam. The western world are thought of (rightly or wrongly) as Christian following people. An example being USA. This is a country where there is a majority of Christian followers. Yet it has more cases of murder, rape, child abuse than ANY Islamic country. Heck, there are more serial killers past and present in American than any other country in the world. This is a Christian country by the way. Should we then demonize all Christian people or all Americans the way you demonize Islam and Islamic people?
I seriously doubt it. The USA may have more REPORTED cases but that's because the overwhelming majority of rape cases, child abuse and all other crimes go unreported in third world countries. That's what happens when you're an advanced society.
How do you define a serial killer? I'd reckon the millions of jihadists out there that kill a 1/2 dozen people in a bombing or what not qualify as serial killers, which makes more Islamic serial killers than anyone else.
I'm atheist. Couldn't care less about what some nutjobs fundamentalist Christians do. And regardless, the number of fundamentalist Christian bombings in the USA over the last 20 years can be counted on your fingers. There are more Muslim jihadist attacks in one week. ;)
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That was a thousand years ago. You don't see Christians pulling that shit nowdays like Muslims still do.
Becasue so called Christians do NOT follow Christian law...but if they did they would be just a violent toward one another as the media projects the Arabs to be.
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Becasue so called Christians do NOT follow Christian law...but if they did they would be just a violent toward one another as the media projects the Arabs to be.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's a really big "IF". The thing is, they don't follow it. That's the point you retard. They don't follow the Christian law. Most of the Christian world has moved past the middle ages while you and your Muslim buddies are still stuck in the stone ages.
Just leave this thread. You've self-owned yourself enough.
Nice argument. ::)
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The thing that gets me about this is the 'holier than thou' attitude most of you have against Islam. The western world are thought of (rightly or wrongly) as Christian following people. An example being USA. This is a country where there is a majority of Christian followers. Yet it has more cases of murder, rape, child abuse than ANY Islamic country. Heck, there are more serial killers past and present in American than any other country in the world. This is a Christian country by the way. Should we then demonize all Christian people or all Americans the way you demonize Islam and Islamic people?
YOU ARE CORRECT?...The only reason Arabs are being demonized as they are is to make satanic loving america appear JUST in its actions against these people. America is NOT bringing Christianity, or democracy, or human rights to the Middle East...what they are bringing is murder and slaughter in order to steal the natural resource of these people and to gain control over the region. Many on this board just can't seem to grasp that for some strange reason.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's a really big "IF". The thing is, they don't follow it. That's the point you retard. They don't follow the Christian law. Most of the Christian world has moved past the middle ages while you and your Muslim buddies are still stuck in the stone ages.
Just leave this thread. You've self-owned yourself enough.
Nice argument. ::)
You don't follow Christian law because you don't believe in GOD, or CHRIST or the BIBLE, but you certainly love to praise Satan as all of his ways are your ways: LIE, STEAL, MURDER, RAPE, ENVY, LUST, GREED etc etc. BTW the laws of the Bible have not changed or gone away..
Nonetheless the hard times coming to america will change all of you soon enough...given the bankers are now oppressing america to an extreme and soon your market shelves will be empty and your luxuries taken away that is when the savage that you are will come to light....talk to me then about something being a long tme ago or in the middle ages..hahahaah...as I speak now tent cities are everywhere in america, homelessness has exploded, homes being foreclosed, jobs lost in the MILLIONS, savings gone, pensions gone, investments gone, etc etc...how long will you GODLESS savages remain calm?...I give you all a few more months before domenstic terrorism begins exploding in america and crime so far exceeds anyhting else on earth that you will be afraid to leave yor homes.
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You don't follow Christian law because you don't believe in GOD, or CHRIST or the BIBLE, but you certainly love to praise Satan as all of his ways are your ways: LIE, STEAL, MURDER, RAPE, ENVY, LUST, GREED etc etc. BTW the laws of the Bible have not changed or gone away..
Nonetheless the hard times coming to america will change all of you soon enough...given the bankers are now oppressing america to an extreme and soon your market shelves will be empty and your luxuries taken away that is when the savage that you are will come to light....talk to me then about something being a long tme ago or in the middle ages..hahahaah...as I speak now tent cities are everywhere in america, homelessness has exploded, homes being foreclosed, jobs lost in the MILLIONS, savings gone, pensions gone, investments gone, etc etc...how long will you GODLESS savages remain calm?...I give you all a few more months before domenstic terrorism begins exploding in america and crime so far exceeds anyhting else on earth that you will be afraid to leave yor homes.
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STFU clown. If I don't believe in God then why would I believe in Satan? Pretty simple logic that you can't seem to grasp.
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Can you provide me one instance in Western society of a 13 year old girl who reported a gang rape being stoned to death for punishment within the last two years? You can't, you lying twat.
Because I'm in the mood to absolutely OWN you, you lying, sniveling little shit, here you go:
Somali fighters stone 'rape victim'
In recent months the Islamic Courts' al-Shebab group appears to have gained strength [EPA]
A Somali girl who said she had been raped has been stoned to death in Somalia after being accused of adultery, a human rights group has said.
Amnesty International said in a press release on Friday that the victim, Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow, had been 13 years old - not 23 as earlier reports had suggested.
Duhulow was stoned to death on October 27 by dozens of men in a stadium packed with 1,000 spectators in the southern port city of Kismayo, Amnesty International and Somali media reported, citing witnesses.
The armed group in charge of Kismayo had accused her of adultery after she reported that three men had raped her, Amnesty said.
"This child suffered a horrendous death at the behest of the armed opposition groups who currently control Kismayo," David Copeman, Amnesty International's Somalia campaigner, said in a statement.
Initial local media reports said Duhulow was 23, but her father told Amnesty International she was 13.
The Islamic Courts took control of much of Somalia in 2006, triggering an intervention by neighbouring Ethiopia, which propped up the UN-backed transitional government and ousted the movement.
While the group's political leadership largely fled the country, the movement's military and youth wing, the al-Shaabab, switched to guerrilla warfare.
In recent months the group appears to have gained strength, taking over the port city of Kismayo, and dismantling pro-government roadblocks.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2008/11/2008111201216476354.html
This came from your raghead Muslim brethren in Al-Jazeera nonetheless. I can go all day. There are hundreds of examples of stuff like this happening. I provide sources and hard evidence, much unlike your fallacious stories that you conjure out of thin air and pull off of websites that you're afraid to source as they would expose you for the shill that you are.
Now get the fuck out of here, weasel.
Chuckle Chuckle...you read and believe Al Jazzera..
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STFU clown. If I don't believe in God then why would I believe in Satan? Pretty simple logic that you can't seem to grasp.
Atheist or non believers in GOD always believe in SATAN...
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Chuckle Chuckle...you read and believe Al Jazzera..
Chuckle, chuckle...you defended it as a legitimate source before. Now it's not? Why is that? Because it systematically destroyed your entire argument, shill. There are dozens of sources out there that carried this event.
You lost this argument (surprise, surprise). Slink on out of here now. You lost because you can't fabricate your facts and conjure sources out of thin air. So go on and feel free to leave this thread.
Atheist or non believers in GOD always believe in SATAN...
Hahaha, more fabrication of facts. STFU Muslim scum.
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Chuckle, chuckle...you defended it as a legitimate source before. Now it's not? Why is that? Because it systematically destroyed your entire argument, shill. There are dozens of sources out there that carried this event.
You lost this argument (surprise, surprise). Slink on out of here now. You lost because you can't fabricate your facts and conjure sources out of thin air. So go on and feel free to leave this thread.
Hahaha, more fabrication of facts. STFU Muslim scum.
SAMSON123 has been revealed as a liar too many times to be taken seriously.
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I seriously doubt it. The USA may have more REPORTED cases but that's because the overwhelming majority of rape cases, child abuse and all other crimes go unreported in third world countries. That's what happens when you're an advanced society.
How do you define a serial killer? I'd reckon the millions of jihadists out there that kill a 1/2 dozen people in a bombing or what not qualify as serial killers, which makes more Islamic serial killers than anyone else.
I'm atheist. Couldn't care less about what some nutjobs fundamentalist Christians do. And regardless, the number of fundamentalist Christian bombings in the USA over the last 20 years can be counted on your fingers. There are more Muslim jihadist attacks in one week. ;)
Haha 'as an advanced society' BULL SH*T you have ZERO proof to back up your claims don't you? Absolutely no proof there are more cases in those countries. There are more proven cases in the western world of rape, child molestation, murder etc.
Heck mass murder is committed on a greater scale by Christians there are more atrocities with Christian perpetrators than there are by Muslims. That is FACT.
So quit the bullsh*t "all Islam is bad" stance. There really is no comeback for you from here. You've been owned. Sorry.
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Well that settles that. There's no fucking way in hell I can be you.
I do not think we should go marching off to destroy Islam. I do think they have the right to choose their poison, but that's part of the problem with Islam, how many do not have the right to walk away or refuse Islam? Justify that Samidiot.
You guys are full of crap.
The same stuff has been going on there forever and no one gave a damn. People only pretend to care now because doing so advances certain political objectives.
None of you even acknowledged their humanity until it became painfully obvious that the war was wrong but a US pullout would destabilize the region to an extent that endangered Israel!!
I really can't decide what's worse; Pretending to care or expecting all of us to buy this BS.
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Americans have a choice and look at the CHAOS it has wrought? Baptist hating Methodist hating Catholics, hating Pentacostals, hating Jehova Witnesses, hating Episcipalians, hating Mormons (they are weird), hating Seven Day Adventists etc etc etc...Oddity is they all profess to worshipping GOD. How could there be so many religions when there is only one GOD and one BIBLE?
Look at the Klan who kills in the name of God-- try walking away from the Klan
Mormons who molest children in the name of God--Walk away from the mormons and get excommunicated
Catholicism that rapes in the name of God-- Excommunication if you leave
Scientology that says THERE IS NO GOD-- I guess scientology will THINK you into not leaving
Jehova Witness who says there is no JESUS-- Excommunication if a person leaves
Almost all religious beliefs in america have a reaction to persons leaving...and thanks only to jails and prisons do these so called Christians NOT resort to killing members who leave or people who say I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD.
you are fighting ignorance and intolerance with more ignorance and intolerance. im goin to pretend you never posted that. you know nothing about any of the religions of which you speak.
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Haha 'as an advanced society' BULL SH*T you have ZERO proof to back up your claims don't you? Absolutely no proof there are more cases in those countries. There are more proven cases in the western world of rape, child molestation, murder etc.
Heck mass murder is committed on a greater scale by Christians there are more atrocities with Christian perpetrators than there are by Muslims. That is FACT.
So quit the bullsh*t "all Islam is bad" stance. There really is no comeback for you from here. You've been owned. Sorry.
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Prove what? Are there any cases of a 13 year old girl being stoned to death in the US for reporting that she was gang raped? Sorry, anyone with an IQ over 40 will realize that most crimes go unreported in these countries. Is it any surprise,though? These are societies where reporting that you were raped or abused gets you disowned from your family and/or killed (such as the 13 year old girl who was stoned to death). You haven't proven shit and you haven't even come close to owning anything.
Monthly Jihad Report
April 2009
Jihad Attacks: 158
Countries:15
Religions: 5
Dead Bodies:715
Critically Injured:1135
Feel free to dig up a monthly "Christian extremist" report showing that they're worse. If not, feel free to leave this thread, Muslim shill.
You guys are full of crap.
The same stuff has been going on there forever and no one gave a damn. People only pretend to care now because doing so advances certain political objectives.
None of you even acknowledged their humanity until it became painfully obvious that the war was wrong but a US pullout would destabilize the region to an extent that endangered Israel!!
I really can't decide what's worse; Pretending to care or expecting all of us to buy this BS.
But you care so much about those Palestinians, right? ::)
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But you care so much about those Palestinians, right? ::)
I don't give a flying crap about any of them and wouldn't send one thin dime to anyone overseas.... ever.
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Just read the press in the Muslim world that any prominent Muslim gets for walking away the religion. Usually revolves around them being deemed an apostate and marked for death by a few dozen terrorist groups. Try walking away from Islam in any Muslim country. You = dead.
Rape is justified by the Koran. ;)
why the hell would you wink at me after saying rape is justified by the Koran. That's creepy BF. :-X
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why the hell would you wink at me after saying rape is justified by the Koran. That's creepy BF. :-X
Just pointing out why Muslims are so quick to rape any woman that they find attractive.
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There are many people who do not follow Islam, are Christians (how shockingis that) or are atheistic. Again this mindset pushed in america that if a person is not following Islam their hands will be cut off, or heads chopped off, or some other extreme act exacted on them is ridiculous. Stop equating Islam with violence, becasue truth is NO RELIGION IS MORE VIOLENT THAN CHRISTIANITY. Just Catholicism alone has been the cause of 600 MILLION deaths over the past few centuries. America kills more people (capital punishment) than all other nations (though it keeps talking about Islamic law and punishment) as well as has more people in jail than Russia, China and South Africa combined!!!!
The confusion keeps surfacing about why the media promoted image of Arabs as violent persists. I have already said that's due to the foreign policy of america which has RADICALIZED sects of these people to do extreme acts to bring attention to the injustices being exercised on their nations. In all honesty I wish the so called Christian americans were so devoted to Christian principle and laws...they would be an entirely different people with a different behavior. Just take a look at the TEN COMMANDMENTS and ask yourself "Am I following these laws as best I could?" Truth is few if ANY of the professed Christians in america follow ANY of the laws of the Bible...but they still call themselves Christians..now how ridiculous is that. In regard to raping children...How many children have been reaped by Catholic Priest, Rabbis and so called Christian cult groups? Just the catholic violations run into the TENS OF THOUSANDS. Yet somehow americans don't see this, but they see supposed 'honor rapes' committed in other nations..go figure.
you didn't answer the question because it would require you lying your ass off. Again, I'm not defending Christianity. I'm calling out Islam and think it says a lot about you that you're so willing to defend a shitty religion that's not only not any better than Christianity, but probably worse.
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SAMSON123 has been revealed as a liar too many times to be taken seriously.
He's doing it on purpose. wannabe disinfo agent.
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You guys are full of crap.
The same stuff has been going on there forever and no one gave a damn. People only pretend to care now because doing so advances certain political objectives.
None of you even acknowledged their humanity until it became painfully obvious that the war was wrong but a US pullout would destabilize the region to an extent that endangered Israel!!
I really can't decide what's worse; Pretending to care or expecting all of us to buy this BS.
NO! I agree with this! And said so. I don't think we should be giving a crap what happens in an Islamic country. I certainly don't think we should go force change on them. That won't work and will only further radicalize them. But at the same time I'm not about to defend Islam, why the hell would I do that? I don't like Christianity and I've seen nothing out of Islam to show it's any better. It's worse. So I can say it sucks and certainly question why someone like samson would support it.
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BF, I am busy and I'm not posting as much. I just got up and am drinking my coffee and reading the board.
Last warning about the Samson Chavez shit. Take it to another board. I'm not douchebag Samson.
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In 06 or 07, 6 million left Islam in Africa alone, and there was surely a loss of commitment to the faith by many followers other places in the world (as examplified in a recent post by ksa_triceps). Even with the threats these ultra-inferior sub80IQ shitbags tries to pull off, they are losing ground many places :D
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you didn't answer the question because it would require you lying your ass off. Again, I'm not defending Christianity. I'm calling out Islam and think it says a lot about you that you're so willing to defend a shitty religion that's not only not any better than Christianity, but probably worse.
How can you call out somethig you have NO UNDERSTANDING OF!!!! Call another people's religion SHITTY when you have no clue as to what it is really about. You believe whatever your american press and television tells you without checking facts or questioning sources and intent. I have already explained the demonizing of the Arabs, Islam and Muslims, have already said why it was and is being done, have already explained the geopolitical reasons behind america being in the region and have posted articles showing american and european oil corporation rushing into Iraq, Afghanistan etc for the sake of claiming oil that is not theirs, have explain radicalization of the people (or certain sects) and its purpose...I can't say anymore without endlessly reposting the same information.
The Arab people are NOT the savages the white press makes them out to be, they don't rape their daughters, or young women , they don't chop hands off of people or heads off like the white press portrays. If you had ever traveled (which obviously you never have) you would know this. As a matter of fact had you traveled to other countries and continents you would have had your mind cleared of the NONSENSE american media has put in it. The Chinese are not YELLOW, the Russians are not RED, the South American are not cannibals, the Africans do not swing from vines (there is hardly and jungle in Africa at all) but if any fool believes the white press in america all these things are TRUE according to them. Had you visited these places or talked to the people from these places that live in america they would look at you and see you as CRAZY talking about such nonsense..
Did I answer your question?...YES I DID, but you are too busy trying to argue with LIEs as opposed to facts tha you don't read thoroughly and understand what you are being told in my posts. Now I can not change your obviously unwarranted contempt of Arabs and Islam, but I can stress to you that you need to learn about what you hate so much, becasue your hate is bathed in ignorance to the very thing you don't understand....
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In the mid-1980s, an Iranian-born, France-based journalist named Freidoune Sahebjam was traveling in his native land, assessing the impact of the Iranian Revolution, when he came upon a rural mountain village and learned of a ghastly crime. It had been committed by an entire community against a local woman. It was a crime that indicted a nation, a movement, and a religiously inspired ideology.
The victim was Soraya Manutchehri, a 35-year-old mother of seven who, in her own prophetic words, had become "an inconvenient wife." Bartered away in an arranged marriage at 13 to a petty criminal named Ghorban-Ali, who was 20 years old at the time, Soraya bore nine children over the next two decades, enduring two stillborn births and regular beatings from her husband, along with his insults, his consorting with prostitutes, and his campaign to turn her two oldest sons against her.
On August 15, 1986, with the complicity of a local mullah who had been imprisoned for child molesting under the Shah, Ghorban-Ali showed himself to be more than a garden variety sociopath and town bully; he was a sadistic monster, and Islamic fundamentalism was his enabler, his aider, his abettor.
In the anarchic days of the Iranian Revolution, Ghorban-Ali had found work as a prison guard in a neighboring town. There, he met a 14-year-old girl whom he wanted to marry. Polygamy was encouraged in Ayatollah Khomeini's Iran, but Ghorban-Ali didn't want to support two families, and did not desire to return his wife's dowry. How to rid himself of his "old" wife? That was the easy part. Accuse her of infidelity. No matter that her husband had not actually seen anything untoward, or that Soraya was completely innocent, or that her husband's cynical accusations were only backed up by his cousin, who as it turned out had been coerced into concurring with the vaguest of accusations: a smile here, a brushed hand there.
What court of law would find someone guilty on such flimsy evidence? A "sharia" court is the answer. And so Soraya was convicted. The sentence was death-death by stoning.
That was the story relayed to Freidoune Sahebjam by Soraya's brave aunt, Zahra Khanum. His riveting and spare account became an international best-seller. Critics compared "The Stoning of Soraya M." to Kafka, but actually nothing in the western canon of literature is comparable to the inadvertent self-parody -- the simple lunacy -- of a system of law that maintains that if a man is accused of infidelity by his wife, she must prove his guilt, but if a woman is accused, she must prove her innocence. Thus, in a single sentence, is a belief system codified. It is a system that rejects modernity, justice, equality and rationality -- and treats female sexuality as a vice. Apparently, you can get away with this kind of madness in much of the world by simply inciting crowds to chant, "God is Great," while you throw the stones.
It's a fitting image, rock-throwing...fitting for the Stone Age, that is. Such show trials pay no heed to the natural rights we presume to be universal in a 21st century society: The right to be present at your own trial, to testify in your own defense, to cross-examine the witnesses against you, to be represented by counsel, to have an impartial arbiter of fact, to appeal the judgment to higher courts. None of these were present in rural Iran in the drunken days of "the Islamic Revolution." For women and girls in Iran and in many other parts of the globe they are not present today.
The verdict against Soraya M., was carried out in a village called Kupayeh, but it could have been almost anywhere in rural Iran. It could happen, and does still, in Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria, or anyplace where sharia is the law of the land. More common, by far, in the Muslim world is the perverse practice of "honor killings" -- the slaying of a woman or girl by male members of her own family on the basis of some presumed sexual indiscretion. The barbarity of this practice is mirrored by its Orwellian description, for it is one of the most dishonorable practices in the world.
Soraya M's brutal execution occurred more than two decades ago, but it was only last October that a girl barely into her teens was stoned to death in a stadium in the Somalian port city of Kismayo. Initially, her "crime" was said to be adultery, and her age given as 23. Actually, according to Amnesty International, she was 13 years old, and she came into the custody of an Islamic militia when she had the temerity to report to authorities that she had been gang-raped. Her three attackers were not charged. The girl was publicly murdered before 1,000 cheering spectators. Her name was Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow.
In the religious traditions of the West, free will is offered as an explanation for such depredations, but that rationale seems grossly insufficient. When packs of armed men shout "God is Great" while disfiguring, abasing, or killing women, surely God is weeping.
Cyrus Nowrasteh, a Colorado-born film director of Persian descent, said, "When I read the book, I thought, if this is really happening all over the world, someone needs to shine a light on it. The world has to become more aware of it."
Now he has done that. I watched the movie version of The Stoning of Soraya M. at a private screening earlier this week, and have been unable to concentrate on much else since. The film will make its debut on June 26 in 10 American cities, including Washington, D.C. I'm sure its backers would like reviews to run closer to the movie's public premier; I hope they understand: I feel compelled to write about it now.
The Stoning of Soraya M. opens with a dilapidated car breaking down on mountainous road, as the radio announcer intones that everything is so much better in the new Islamic Republic. Meanwhile, an old woman chases away a dog that is picking at bones beside a stream. The old woman carefully, lovingly, washes the bones. We, the viewers, wonder in horror: Can those bones be... human? Who would discard a body for wild dogs?
The sense of menace begins immediately, when our stranded motorist -- Freidoune Sahebjam himself, played by James Caviezel -- bumps into Kupayeh's mayor and mullah. Sahebjam, who died last year at the age of 75, didn't live to see the film, but I imagine would have been honored by the subtle way he is portrayed by Caviezel, who played Jesus Christ in Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ. This is perhaps not a coincidence, as the screenplay written by Nowrasteh and his wife Betsy wound up in the lap of John Shepherd, president of Mpower Pictures, the outfit founded by Shepherd, Stephen McEveety, and Todd Burns.
McEveety worked with Gibson on Braveheart and The Passion of the Christ, both of which were "message" movies that grossed hundreds of millions of dollars. It's doubtful that The Stoning of Soraya M. can duplicate that kind of box office success. But I do agree with McEveety, whose reaction upon seeing the Nowrastehs script was that this story "absolutely had to be told."
Sahebjam's book was banned in Iran, of course, and undoubtedly this movie will be as well. Will it be vilified by various radical mullahs around the world, or will it be ignored? That is an interesting question, although probably not one that will keep these filmmakers up at night. Nowrasteh was previously the victim of a kind of liberal fatwa, apparently issued by William Jefferson Clinton, or his supporters: Nowrasteh's two-part television miniseries The Path to 9/11 was pointedly critical of the Clinton administration for its tepid interest in capturing or killing Osama bin Laden. Some 25 million people watched the mini-series, and although it cost ABC $40 million to make, the Disney-owned network never released it on DVD. (The explanation provided by company suits was that they said they didn't think it would be profitable to re-release it; a more plausible explanation to some company critics is Disney CEO Robert Iger's support of the Democratic Party.)
Getting the rights to produce this film was not easy, either. Freidoune Sahebjam had been approached previously, but the hurdles he erected were not easily overcome -- until Nowrasteh came along. The Iranian-American filmmaker never actually met the Iranian-French writer, although the men did speak on the phone to hash out the details of the project. Sahebjam wanted the movie to be made in Farsi, the language of Iran, and with Persian actors. Nowrasteh agreed; that was how he wanted to shoot the movie, too.
Mozhan Marno, the Iranian-American actress who plays Soraya, said the subject matter became so real to her that she had nightmares during the filming of the graphic final scenes; in her dreams, crowds of angry people were surrounding her menacingly until she could no longer breathe.
The dialogue in the movie is faithful to that in the book, although those who have read The Stoning of Soraya M., will notice that Soraya has four children in the film, instead of seven, for example. In real life, her sullen oldest sons were 18 and 16, and well on their way to repeating their father's thuggish ways. On film, they are considerably younger -- and the younger of the two is deeply troubled by what is happening, even as he follows his father's lead.
The expressions of hatred on the older son's face are deeply disturbing; it's alien, this virulent brand of sexism, this genuine loathing of women. I understand that it is fueled by religion and by misplaced national pride and by feelings of impotence in a rapidly changing world. But the sheer unnaturalness of it left me unsettled. We certainly have remorseless and evil men in our society, who hurt, and even murder, their wives. But the difference is that we hunt these men down and imprison them, and we revile their names: Scott Peterson, and now Drew Peterson. We don't help them kill their spouses.
I do not know, as I told one of this movie's financial backers, whether Americans will sit through a film this sad and grisly. I only know that they should. It has been said many times since 9/11 that we are in a war of ideas -- and a shooting war as well -- with men who are confident that one day all the world will be governed by this kind of law. It would not be a world worth inhabiting. I am haunted by Soroya and her sisters.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/05/13/he-who-casts-the-first-stone/
Go to www.liveleak.com. There are DOZENS of beheading videos on there carried out by who? Oh, that's right. MUSLIMS. One only has to look around to see thousands upon thousands of instances where Muslims behead people, stone women to death, use rape as a tool of war (Darfur), torture innocent people including women and children and a host of other atrocities carried out in the name of a fictional book written by that pedophile that you worship.
You keep coming back to this thread and continually owning yourself.
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He's doing it on purpose. wannabe disinfo agent.
Here Hugo have some Steak (http://www.mitchross.com/blog/media/1/20081230-steak.jpg)
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BF, I am busy and I'm not posting as much. I just got up and am drinking my coffee and reading the board.
Last warning about the Samson Chavez shit. Take it to another board. I'm not douchebag Samson.
and I am not KOTEX (ewww) Hugo... ;D
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How can you call out somethig you have NO UNDERSTANDING OF!!!! Call another people's religion SHITTY when you have no clue as to what it is really about.
All religions = stupid fairytales and horsecrap.
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In 06 or 07, 6 million left Islam in Africa alone, and there was surely a loss of commitment to the faith by many followers other places in the world (as examplified in a recent post by ksa_triceps). Even with the threats these ultra-inferior sub80IQ shitbags tries to pull off, they are losing ground many places :D
Oh it debussey the authority on WRONG INFO...How many people have turned from Christianity in europe and america? ALL, becasue NONE have ever been Christain to begin with.... far removed are you or anyone for that matter to call out any people for supposedly abandoning their religious belief...
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All religions = stupid fairytales and horsecrap.
Du er manen og en gud!
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All religions = stupid fairytales and horsecrap.
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/2007-01-1520--20science20vs20fai-1.png)
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Du er manen og en gud!
You can't actually say "du er mannen" in Norwegian, it does not make any sense at all ;D
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You can't actually say "du er mannen" in Norwegian, it does not make any sense at all ;D
Jeg vet men du vet what I mean! ;D
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Jeg vet men du vet what I mean! ;D
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Becasue so called Christians do NOT follow Christian law...but if they did they would be just a violent toward one another as the media projects the Arabs to be.
That is because they have evolved in their mentality to the point that they are no longer stuck in the stone age with the IQ of a rock.
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Just pointing out why Muslims are so quick to rape any woman that they find attractive.
Fine, but don't wink at me while saying that :-X
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Fine, but don't wink at me while saying that :-X
You're a Muslim. Isn't gang rape a rite of passage into manhood for you people?
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You're a Muslim. Isn't gang rape a rite of passage into manhood for you people?
Divine...