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It's very sad that these men's lives were lost in a totally unnessary war and for unjust reasons.
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Hey decide....keep ur bullshit out of my thread. These men died for the United States its not about politics.
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Hey decide....keep ur bullshit out of my thread. These men died for the United States its not about politics.
They died because of assholes like Cheney who sent them to their deaths.
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These men died for the United States
No, they died for Iraq.
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Find another thread...
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Find another thread...
Find another excuse to justify their sacrifice and quit pretending their lives were not cut short for nothing.
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These men do things that would make u piss ur pants. Enjoy ur fucking day off.
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Find another thread...
What does that have to do with Iraq? There is no connection between 9/11 and Iraq.
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Find another thread.....I didn't start an Iraq thread. The douchbags did.
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Find another thread.....I didn't start an Iraq thread. The douchbags did.
You posted those buildings. I am just wondering why you did so when they have nothing to do with the war in Iraq.
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These men do things that would make u piss ur pants. Enjoy ur fucking day off.
So? What they do has no bearing on whether the ultimate sacrifice they make is for our country. It isn't. It is for Iraq. So stop your litle childish belittling of the price that they and their families have played in a pathetic attempt to defend a lie.
Yes, I will enjoy my day off. Just like little bush - you know... the man that sent them on an unnecessary mission - enjoyed his days off. How many days did he take off again? Most absent POTUS in history.
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Tell u what..stick to stem cell shit and gay marriage and I'll stick to my lane.
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These men do things that would make u piss ur pants. Enjoy ur fucking day off.
I would be more scared to be a crab fisherman than your average soldier as that is a more dangerous profession.
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Find another thread.....I didn't start an Iraq thread. The douchbags did.
Memorial day is not only about Iraq, but WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and all soldiers who lost their lives.
Whether you disagree with the war(s) or not, you should give respect to these fallen people.
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I would be more scared to be a crab fisherman than your average soldier as that is a more dangerous profession.
Good for u ::)
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They died believing they did the right thing. Whether they died doing something YOU believed was right or not IS NOT the point.
The POINT IS they were willing to risk their lives for you.
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Memorial day is not only about Iraq, but WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and all soldiers who lost their lives.
Whether you disagree with the war(s) or not, you should give respect to these fallen people.
My father fought in Vietnam. He lost friends. He is not proud of that war.
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They died believing they did the right thing. Whether they died doing something YOU believed was right or not IS NOT the point.
The POINT IS they were willing to risk their lives for you.
Pat Tilman died believed he was doing the WRONG thing as many soldiers have done.
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Pat Tilman died believed he was doing the WRONG thing as many soldiers have done.
You are a disgrace.
He VOLUNTEERED you moron.
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They died believing they did the right thing. Whether they died doing something YOU believed was right or not IS NOT the point.
The POINT IS they were willing to risk their lives for you.
Policeman "risk" their lives (supposedly, although I am sure some would never do so, such as many soldiers would not), but there are a lot of policeman that certainly deserve ZERO respect.
Just like the soldier that is in jail right now for raping a 14 year old Iraqi girl and then murdering her entire family. Why should I respect him? Because he "risked" his life?
I have No respect for that human who was a soldier. A job should not be respected universally, the individual should be evaluated instead.
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You are a disgrace.
He VOLUNTEERED you moron.
He surely did, but he and his entire family were AGAINST invading Iraq. I guess you don`t remember his family testifying before Congress and how the Bush Administration used his story and manipulated facts and then covering up his death.
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My father fought in Vietnam. He lost friends. He is not proud of that war.
Was he drafted?
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Was he drafted?
Yes. No choice.
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Policeman "risk" their lives (supposedly, although I am sure some would never do so, such as many soldiers would not), but there are a lot of policeman that certainly deserve ZERO respect.
Just like the soldier that is in jail right now for raping a 14 year old Iraqi girl and then murdering her entire family. Why should I respect him? Because he "risked" his life?
I have No respect for that human who was a soldier. A job should not be respected universally, the individual should be evaluated instead.
So because one person out of millions committed a horrible crime you are not going to respoct hundreds of thousands of soldiers who died on your behalf?
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So because one person out of millions committed a horrible crime you are not going to respoct hundreds of thousands of soldiers who died on your behalf?
I don`t give automatic respect to anyone because of their occupation. That would be a silly thing to do.
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Tillman was handled horribly....simple as that. We blew it. However Tillman served in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He was killed in Afghanistan on his second tour. He enlisted because of 911, he was a Ranger and was doing his job. TA ur views are warped. That soldier was a criminal, 99% aren't. He will pay for his crimes.
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Yes. No choice.
Was he drafted at about 19?
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Tillman was handled horribly....simple as that. We blew it. However Tillman served in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He was killed in Afghanistan on his second tour. He enlisted because of 911, he was a Ranger and was doing his job. TA ur views are warped. That soldier was a criminal, 99% aren't. He will pay for his crimes.
This doesn`t change the fact that their are NUMEROUS soldiers who are totally against the Iraq invasion as Tillman was.
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Maybe this thread should just be renamed to the True Adonis Meltdown Thread
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Was he drafted at about 19?
No, he was 26.
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Memorial day is not only about Iraq, but WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and all soldiers who lost their lives.
Whether you disagree with the war(s) or not, you should give respect to these fallen people.
Yep
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Policeman "risk" their lives (supposedly, although I am sure some would never do so, such as many soldiers would not), but there are a lot of policeman that certainly deserve ZERO respect.
Just like the soldier that is in jail right now for raping a 14 year old Iraqi girl and then murdering her entire family. Why should I respect him? Because he "risked" his life?
I have No respect for that human who was a soldier. A job should not be respected universally, the individual should be evaluated instead.
By your logic then every soldier is a rapist and therefore doesn't deserve your respect?
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Sure...and where are u getting Tillman was against the war. He's done both Afghanistan and Iraq once,before being redeployed again to Afghanistan. His family became agaist the Army after what happened. OH and TA.....if u want to sight winter soldier 2 or the IVAW folks feel free....most are frauds and full of shit.
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Do not confuse having no respect for our soldiers with having no respect for the Bush administration that killed them.
No one is undermining their deaths or the sacrifice they have made EXCEPT those idiots still pretending it was a just cause that Bush sent them on or that it was for "US freedoms" or protection.
I have all the respect in the world for our soldiers. I have NO respect for Bush and Cheney deception and personal vendetta with Iraq. Our soldiers are heros, the Bush Administration are fvcking asswiping LOSERS who don't deserve to be pissed on if they were on fire because of the unnecessary deaths of our guys.
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By your logic then every soldier is a rapist and therefore doesn't deserve your respect?
Wrong.
By my logic, I judge the individual based on merit and do not give automatic respect just because he signs a contract or has a certain employment.
Perhaps you need to stop interjecting your own, "all or nothing" approach.
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Says u.....
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I don`t give automatic respect to anyone because of their occupation. That would be a silly thing to do.
Wrong.
By my logic, I judge the individual based on merit and do not give automatic respect just because he signs a contract or has a certain employment.
Perhaps you need to stop interjecting your own, "all or nothing" approach.
How would you give automatic respect? That's unrealistic because you wouldn't meet and get to know every soldier. However, you can assume that that 99% aren't rapists, but instead young and old professional who volunteered to risk their lives for their country. Memorial day is more of an acknowledgment for their sacrifices. If you are not an american citizen you shouldn't care I guess.
So yeah, you logic is "still" flawed, just like the memo you posted about 9/11 warnings is "still" meaningless.
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Which again wasn't the point of this thread. It was to show respect to our fallen.
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Do not confuse having no respect for our soldiers with having no respect for the Bush administration that killed them.
No one is undermining their deaths or the sacrifice they have made EXCEPT those idiots still pretending it was a just cause that Bush sent them on or that it was for "US freedoms" or protection.
I have all the respect in the world for our soldiers. I have NO respect for Bush and Cheney deception and personal vendetta with Iraq. Our soldiers are heros, the Bush Administration are fvcking asswiping LOSERS who don't deserve to be pissed on if they were on fire because of the unnecessary deaths of our guys.
Very good post!!!
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Do not confuse having no respect for our soldiers with having no respect for the Bush administration that killed them.
No one is undermining their deaths or the sacrifice they have made EXCEPT those idiots still pretending it was a just cause that Bush sent them on or that it was for "US freedoms" or protection.
I have all the respect in the world for our soldiers. I have NO respect for Bush and Cheney deception and personal vendetta with Iraq. Our soldiers are heros, the Bush Administration are fvcking asswiping LOSERS who don't deserve to be pissed on if they were on fire because of the unnecessary deaths of our guys.
QFT ;D
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Do not confuse having no respect for our soldiers with having no respect for the Bush administration that killed them.
No one is undermining their deaths or the sacrifice they have made EXCEPT those idiots still pretending it was a just cause that Bush sent them on or that it was for "US freedoms" or protection.
I have all the respect in the world for our soldiers. I have NO respect for Bush and Cheney deception and personal vendetta with Iraq. Our soldiers are heros, the Bush Administration are fvcking asswiping LOSERS who don't deserve to be pissed on if they were on fire because of the unnecessary deaths of our guys.
Very honest and decent post.
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Do not confuse having no respect for our soldiers with having no respect for the Bush administration that killed them.
No one is undermining their deaths or the sacrifice they have made EXCEPT those idiots still pretending it was a just cause that Bush sent them on or that it was for "US freedoms" or protection.
I have all the respect in the world for our soldiers. I have NO respect for Bush and Cheney deception and personal vendetta with Iraq. Our soldiers are heros, the Bush Administration are fvcking asswiping LOSERS who don't deserve to be pissed on if they were on fire because of the unnecessary deaths of our guys.
Good post. Personally I think those two should be executed.
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Good post. Personally I think those two should be executed.
I would amend his post to:
I have all the respect in the world for our soldiers who earn it by their deeds and merits, not because they simply signed a contract.
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Good post. Personally I think those two should be executed.
Yeah..along with Barry, he's doing the exact same thing. U can throw Pelosi and Reid in as well.
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Yeah..along with Barry, he's doing the exact same thing. U can throw Pelosi and Reid in as well.
Most American presidents should be executed.
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I would amend his post to:
I have all the respect in the world for our soldiers who earn it by their deeds and merits, not because they simply signed a contract.
Memorial Day remembers those in WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, etc who were drafted and died as well.
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Yeah..along with Barry, he's doing the exact same thing. U can throw Pelosi and Reid in as well.
You are stating that YOUR, Commander-In-Chief, the HIGHEST RANKING MILITARY OFFICER, should be executed.
Is that not a bit treasonous? He is your superior officer.
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Memorial Day remembers those in WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, etc who were drafted and died as well.
The true purpose of Memorial Day is to remember the dead in the hopes of preventing any future war or conflict.
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He's not a commissioned officer, he's the President. I guess u missed Decides post huh.
TA..no its not....its all about remembering the dead...period.
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The true purpose of Memorial Day is to remember the dead in the hopes of preventing any future war or conflict.
War is a fact of life.
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War is a fact of life.
It surely is not. It is solely a product of humans and not representative of life.
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He's not a commissioned officer, he's the President. I guess u missed Decides post huh.
TA..no its not....its all about remembering the dead...period.
Are you saying that the United States President, the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF is not THE HIGHEST RANKING MEMBER in the ARMED FORCES?
Seriously. Are you?
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Yeah..along with Barry, he's doing the exact same thing. U can throw Pelosi and Reid in as well.
I don't see it. He is not embroiling us in an unneeded war based on crappy intel that will waste billions, encourage new terrorists and kill tens of thousands
All he's doing is what McCain would have done. We are screwed and held hostage by polarized politics.
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The President is the Commander in Chief..but he's a civilian. He's not commisioned, he took no military oath to serve in that capacity. Further..he's above the military chain of command. Is Barry going to assume to command on the battlefield..haha, he'd shit his pants, its not his job.
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War is a fact of life.
War is a fact of an un-evolved society that is thousands of years from reaching its potential.
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The military is not it's own entity, they are subject to the government. The government is not the military, hence ( :D), Brother Barry is NOT in the military
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I don't see it. He is not embroiling us in an unneeded war based on crappy intel that will waste billions, encourage new terrorists and kill tens of thousands
All he's doing is what McCain would have done. We are screwed and held hostage by polarized politics.
Oh yes he IS. He is driving us into a ditch with his -Stan wars as I like to call him, escalating it all in Af-stan and pushing it into Pak-stan. Wasting money, resources, lives, all the while spending...in order to save the economy? No one has ever won in the Stans. Waste of everything. Not saying he isn't SLIGHTLY better than GW and Darth but...
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Most American presidents should be executed.
Now, you've lost any credibility you may have had...ridiculous comment. Do you actually live in America? Since you seem to hate so many things about it..our foreign policy, our presidents...etc. Why even bother to live here? I'm sure you'd be happer somewhere else, especially one that has a better welfare program so you can stop agaonizing over any life path, vocation, or anything else that you seem to be clueless about.
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War is a fact of an un-evolved society that is thousands of years from reaching its potential.
Man is only really good at one thing...killing each other. That said...off to see Terminator.
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The President is the Commander in Chief..but he's a civilian. He's not commisioned, he took no military oath to serve in that capacity.
He took an oath bigger than a military oath which includes commanding the military as all Presidents do. Lincoln used his oath as the bona fides for the civil war and holding the Union together.
The President commands you. He is your ultimate superior officer. Why do you have a hard time admitting that THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF is the highest ranking member in the ARMED FORCES?
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Oh yes he IS. He is driving us into a ditch with his -Stan wars as I like to call him, escalating it all in Af-stan and pushing it into Pak-stan. Wasting money, resources, lives, all the while spending...in order to save the economy? No one has ever won in the Stans. Waste of everything. Not saying he isn't SLIGHTLY better than GW and Darth but...
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Now, you've lost any credibility you may have had...ridiculous comment. Do you actually live in America? Since you seem to hate so many things about it..our foreign policy, our presidents...etc. Why even bother to live here? I'm sure you'd be happer somewhere else, especially one that has a better welfare program so you can stop agaonizing over any life path, vocation, or anything else that you seem to be clueless about.
He doesn't live in America. He fled to Korea 10 years ago, claimed he was an academic when he's nothing more than an English teacher with a BA, and teeters on the verge of suicide. He lives in a fantasy world.
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Man is only really good at one thing...killing each other. That said...off to see Terminator.
Do you want all people to die? Do you care if all people die?
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It surely is not. It is solely a product of humans and not representative of life.
TA again doped up and not reading thousands of years of history.
I can't wait till you get into the real world one day.
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Now, you've lost any credibility you may have had...ridiculous comment. Do you actually live in America? Since you seem to hate so many things about it..our foreign policy, our presidents...etc. Why even bother to live here? I'm sure you'd be happer somewhere else, especially one that has a better welfare program so you can stop agaonizing over any life path, vocation, or anything else that you seem to be clueless about.
I don't live there. I am an expat. Haven't lived there for years and since I live abroad foreign policy is of prime interest.
There are a lot of good things about the US, its politcs is not one of them. I know, I know. You can't be critical of the government...but based on the standards we used to try criminals after WWII most presidents have violated those standards. Whole administrations should have been executed for Vietnam as an example. If you believe in liberty and the right of self-determination as I do, then that right must extend to foreign nations as well as individuals. If nations make choices on their own we should respect those choices, not participate in genocide, coups and assassinations. It is a pretty simple principle. We should mind our own business. Do you want the government to invade your home, pillage and steal from it?
What has become of the USA? Is all that we have, our military, our weapons? In Asia they are beating us to a pulp economically and they didn't have to launch a missile to do it. And they did it using the same capitalist model we USED to have. All we have are our guns and weapons. We have been better than that and could be again.
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He doesn't live in America. He fled to Korea 10 years ago, claimed he was an academic when he's nothing more than an English teacher with a BA, and teeters on the verge of suicide. He lives in a fantasy world.
No, I lived in Europe for 8 years PRIOR to my stint in Korea since I have dual citizenship. All other information is irrelevant. Never once have you provided counterpoints as to why we waste trillions running a world empire that we don't need. You are nothing but ad hominems. Got a real argument and I am more than willing to engage in discussion.
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I don't live there. I am an expat. Haven't lived there for years and since I live abroad foreign policy is of prime interest.
There are a lot of good things about the US, its politcs is not one of them. I know, I know. You can't be critical of the government...but based on the standards we used to try criminals after WWII most presidents have violated those standards. Whole administrations should have been executed for Vietnam as an example. If you believe in liberty and the right of self-determination as I do, then that right must extend to foreign nations as well as individuals. If nations make choices on their own we should respect those choices, not participate in genocide, coups and assassinations. It is a pretty simple principle. We should mind our own business. Do you want the government to invade your home, pillage and steal from it?
What has become of the USA? Is all that we have, our military, are weapons? In Asia they are beating us to a pulp economically and they didn't have to launch a missile to do it. And they did it using the same capitalist model we USED to have. All we have are our guns and weapons. We have been better than that and could be again.
Well since you don't live here, then I have more respect for you..in the sense you're not being critical and still living here..Quite honestly with what I see starting to happen here, I'm not a 100% sure I will live here forever either.
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No, I lived in Europe for 8 years PRIOR to my stint in Korea since I have dual citizenship. All other information is irrelevant. Never once have you provided counterpoints as to why we waste trillions running a world empire that we don't need. You are nothing but ad hominems. Got a real argument and I am more than willing to engage in discussion.
You live in a fantasy world. You think all will be fine and dandy in the world if we were to leave every base we have. You're clueless because you think the Russians and Chinese will just sit there and do nothing. They will fill the power vacuum we leave behind and nothing will change. ::)
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You live in a fantasy world. You think all will be fine and dandy in the world if we were to leave every base we have. You're clueless because you think the Russians and Chinese will just sit there and do nothing. They will fill the power vacuum we leave behind and nothing will change. ::)
Then they could go broke trying to rule the world, the USSR did and we are following suite. The world doesn't need a policeman, it needs trade, travel and commerce.
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TA again doped up and not reading thousands of years of history.
I can't wait till you get into the real world one day.
Again, war is solely a human invention. No other creature on this planet engages or ever has engaged in such mass barbarism for such trivial reasons.
What or where is this "fake" and "real" world dichotomy you speak of? How do you delineate the two and what are the boundaries?
I do not understand what a fake and real world consists of? I do not find the concept to be applicable since we all live in one world and each live different lives. Again, the dichotomy makes zero sense.
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Again, war is solely a human invention. No other creature on this planet engages or ever has engaged in such mass barbarism for such trivial reasons.
What or where is this "fake" and "real" world dichotomy you speak of? How do you delineate the two and what are the boundaries?
I do not understand what a fake and real world consists of? I do not find the concept to be applicable since we all live in one world and each live different lives. Again, the dichotomy makes zero sense.
Its called a history book. Maybe you should read one.
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Its called a history book. Maybe you should read one.
I read voraciously, especially historical non-fiction. I detect that you do not though.
So which History book explains the "fake" and "real" world Dichotomy since you cannot do so?
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I read voraciously, especially historical non-fiction. I detect that you do not though.
So which History book explains the "fake" and "real" world Dichotomy since you cannot do so?
I dont know what you are reading, but whatever it is obviously is coming from a viewpoint you want to hear.
Man has been at war with one another forever. This will never change. Its who we are. The best way thus from beig attacked is to understand the nature of man and war and prepare like Sun Tzu in the famous Art of War.
Also, the famous quote "If you want Peace, Prepare for War" has a lot more wisdom than you are willing to acknoweldge because it does not comport with your personal view.
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I dont know what you are reading, but whatever it is obviously is coming from a viewpoint you want to hear.
Man has been at war with one another forever. This will never change. Its who we are. The best way thus from beig attacked is to understand the nature of man and war and prepare like Sun Tzu in the famous Art of War.
Also, the famous quote "If you want Peace, Prepare for War" has a lot more wisdom than you are willing to acknoweldge because it does not comport with your personal view.
War is not "who we are".
I have a copy of The Art of War by Sun Tzu and have read it many times. Obviously you have not because Sun Tzu EXPLICITLY CONDEMNS TORTURE in his book.
Sun Tzu tells us: "Treat captives well, and care for them." (2.19). "All soldiers taken must be cared for with magnanimity and sincerity so that they may be used by us."
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Another Gem:
In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to take the enemy's country whole and intact; to shatter and destroy it is not so good. So, too, it is better to recapture an army entire than to destroy it.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War
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And another:
To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War
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The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.
- Sun Tzu
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And another:
To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War
No doubt, but sun Tzu also said that nations must posture themselves in a way that other countries believe they have more to lose than win in engaging in battle.
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:D
The enemy's spies who have come to spy on us must be sought out, tempted with bribes, led away and comfortably housed. Thus they will become double agents and available for our service. It is through the information brought by the double agent that we are able to acquire and employ local and inward spies. It is owing to his information, again, that we can cause the doomed spy to carry false tidings to the enemy.
- Sun Tzu quotes
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"There is only one decisive victory: the last."
- Karl von Clausewitz
The conqueror is always a lover of peace; he would prefer to take over our country unopposed."
- Karl von Clausewitz
"War is a conflict of great interests which is settled by bloodshed, and only in that is it different from others."
- Karl von Clausewitz
And my all time favorite......there are two states of war...peace and total war, nothing else.
And TA as far as humans, animals and war...lions can only eat one antelope at a time. A bear can only eat so many fish at a time, yet they're still killing other animals. If a lion had a fridge, they'd stock it.