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Just curious what your top 10 list would look like?
Mine would be in no particular order:
1. Mike Mentzer
2. Robby Robinson
3. Roy Callender
4. Albert Beckles
5. Frank Zane
6. Boyer Coe
7. Pete Grymkowski
8. Lou Ferrigno
9. Danny Padilla
10. Casey Viator
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Just curious what your top 10 list would look like?
Mine would be in no particular order:
1. Mike Mentzer
2. Robby Robinson
3. Roy Callender
4. Albert Beckles
5. Frank Zane
6. Boyer Coe
7. Pete Grymkowski
8. Lou Ferrigno
9. Danny Padilla
10. Casey Viator
the period between arnold's first retirement and his comeback!!..
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the period between arnold's first retirement and his comeback!!..
how about Samir?
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And Dickerson
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Chris Dickerson
1976
Olympus - WBBG, 4th
Universe - Pro - NABBA, 3rd
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Short, 2nd
1979
Canada Diamond Pro Cup - IFBB, 2nd
Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Vancouver - IFBB, 2nd
Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 4th
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Robby was my favorite of the top guys. Dicklickerson was the had the most wins. Viator was huge and ripped for the Grand Prix's, but not the Olympia. Grymko was an absolute freak and i can't understand why he didn't win everything ( i heard he was too vocal about his drug use). Mentzer came on very strong in early 1979, but took his ball and went home after 1980. Padilla and Samir never got their conditioning down til the 1980's. Ken Waller was up there, but i didn't like his physique. Ed Corney was already getting on in years, but looked amazing at a few shows.
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Chris Dickerson
1976
Olympus - WBBG, 4th
Universe - Pro - NABBA, 3rd
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Short, 2nd
1979
Canada Diamond Pro Cup - IFBB, 2nd
Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Vancouver - IFBB, 2nd
Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 4th
oh yeah, Roy Callender was phenominal at that Canada Diamond Cup to beat Chris. i think Larry Scott made a comeback at that show as well. i think the prize was $5000 and a $20 000 diamond ring.
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What no Franco? I know he wasn't good at the 1981 Mr.O but he was at the 1976.
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oh yeah, Roy Callender was phenominal at that Canada Diamond Cup to beat Chris. i think Larry Scott made a comeback at that show as well. i think the prize was $5000 and a $20 000 diamond ring.
1 Roy Callendar
2 Chris Dickerson
3 Boyer Coe
4 Dennis Tinerino
5 Carlos Rodriguez
6 Bill Grant
7 Henry Caulker
8 Mohamed Makkawy
9 Larry Scott
10 Kent Kuehn
11 Joe Nazario
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Roy Callendar had good placings 77-79
1977
Canadian Championships - CBBF, Medium, 1st
Canadian Championships - CBBF, Overall Winner
Mr International - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
Universe - IFBB, MiddleWeight, 1st
1978
Night of Champions - IFBB, 2nd
Olympia - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 2nd
Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
Professional World Cup - IFBB, 3rd
Universe - Pro - IFBB, Overall Winner
1979
Best in the World - IFBB, Professional, 2nd
Canada Diamond Pro Cup - IFBB, Winner
Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, Did not place
Florida Pro Invitational - IFBB, 6th
Grand Prix Pennsylvania - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix Vancouver - IFBB, Winner
Olympia - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 4th
Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, 4th
Universe - Pro - IFBB, Winner
World Pro Championships - IFBB, Winner
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how about Samir?
Only turned pro 79
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Just curious what your top 10 list would look like?
Mine would be in no particular order:
1. Mike Mentzer
2. Robby Robinson
3. Roy Callender
4. Albert Beckles
5. Frank Zane
6. Boyer Coe
7. Pete Grymkowski
8. Lou Ferrigno
9. Danny Padilla
10. Casey Viator
no way in hell does danny deserve to be that low.
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Franco?
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no way in hell does danny deserve to be that low.
Mr. Magoo really IS blind, seeing I wrote: "IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER" ;)
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how about Samir?
He came into his own in the early 80s
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Sergio Oliva
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Sergio Oliva
Good call
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Good call
Damn right ;D
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check back in the old musclebuilders mags weider used to run contests the first one was 1966 i thinks. larry scott won steve reeves was second on down.
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Robby was my favorite of the top guys. Dicklickerson was the had the most wins. Viator was huge and ripped for the Grand Prix's, but not the Olympia. Grymko was an absolute freak and i can't understand why he didn't win everything ( i heard he was too vocal about his drug use). Mentzer came on very strong in early 1979, but took his ball and went home after 1980. Padilla and Samir never got their conditioning down til the 1980's. Ken Waller was up there, but i didn't like his physique. Ed Corney was already getting on in years, but looked amazing at a few shows.
Grymko had also lacked somke detail and separation of muscle groups, otherwise could have taken top honors
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check back in the old musclebuilders mags weider used to run contests the first one was 1966 i thinks. larry scott won steve reeves was second on down.
what the hell does this post mean?
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what the hell does this post mean?
Mr O reference? ???
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check back in the old musclebuilders mags weider used to run contests the first one was 1966 i thinks. larry scott won steve reeves was second on down.
first Mr. O was 1965. Scott won, but Reeves had long since retired.
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what the hell does this post mean?
duhhhhh it means that the weider mags held a poll among all readers and they actually voted on who's the best. votes were tabulated and each year the results were published in the mag put out by joseph weider, the father of all bodybuilders trainer of champions.
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Robby was my favorite of the top guys. Dicklickerson was the had the most wins. Viator was huge and ripped for the Grand Prix's, but not the Olympia. Grymko was an absolute freak and i can't understand why he didn't win everything ( i heard he was too vocal about his drug use). Mentzer came on very strong in early 1979, but took his ball and went home after 1980. Padilla and Samir never got their conditioning down til the 1980's. Ken Waller was up there, but i didn't like his physique. Ed Corney was already getting on in years, but looked amazing at a few shows.
hey asshole.......how about a little respect for Mr. Dickerson!!!!!! THE MAN WON THE OLYMPIA WHICH IS MORE THAN YOU HAVE PROBABLY DONE.......HE is a classy individual and you have no right to belittle him. Shut your trap and learn to respect honorable people.
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zane did something right in 77, 78 and 79!!!!!!
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hey asshole.......how about a little respect for Mr. Dickerson!!!!!! THE MAN WON THE OLYMPIA WHICH IS MORE THAN YOU HAVE PROBABLY DONE.......HE is a classy individual and you have no right to belittle him. Shut your trap and learn to respect honorable people.
have you met him? i have. and i respected him until i met him. i respect everyone until i have reason not to. and despite the fact that he was gifted the Mr. O title, he deserves no respect. no, i didn't win the Olympia, but i have had more real life success than this small man. he dresses like a bum half the time, begging people for $10 for a photo. no charisma, no personality. i do respect honorable people - take your own advise. you know nothing about me.
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I have met him and he was a gentleman......very courteous and willing to engage the fans around him. I have also emailed him with training questions and he has answered everyone of them. If you are honorable, sir.....you wouldn't put him down here on getbig.com! If you have had bad dealings with him.....take it up with him.....don't belittle him here on a bodybuilding site. IMHO
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I have met him and he was a gentleman......very courteous and willing to engage the fans around him. I have also emailed him with training questions and he has answered everyone of them. If you are honorable, sir.....you wouldn't put him down here on getbig.com! If you have had bad dealings with him.....take it up with him.....don't belittle him here on a bodybuilding site. IMHO
your gonna start defending everyone who is put down on GetBig? get busy!! or better yet, hire a team, because that's too much work for one man(?).
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your gonna start defending everyone who is put down on GetBig? get busy!! or better yet, hire a team, because that's too much work for one man(?).
not defending everyone......but I will defend Mr. Dickerson, due to the fact that he has not offended me, and has been pleasant.
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not defending everyone......but I will defend Mr. Dickerson, due to the fact that he has not offended me, and has been pleasant.
i'm glad things are good between you. i didn't find him to be quite so charming. and are you any different, insulting me publicly without knowing anything i've accomplished?
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I apologize to you for judging you.......I just felt like the insult to Chris was unwarranted.....but you have your reasons......and I do take my verbal attack against you back, I am sorry I called you an asshole.
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I apologize to you for judging you.......I just felt like the insult to Chris was unwarranted.....but you have your reasons......and I do take my verbal attack against you back, I am sorry I called you an asshole.
thanx. it's usually me defending bodybuilders from verbal attacks. i do respect Chris' record. he did have a great physique, though i think he was at his best years before he became Mr. Olympia. i shouldn't have let his personality affect my words regarding his career. i was actually very embarrassed for him when i met him. these guys seem to forget how many people idolize them; and don't carry themselves in a way that perpetuates their Godlike persona's.
no hard feelings. thanx for keeping me objective.
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/dickerson/cd249.jpg)
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/dickerson/cd120.jpg)
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/dickerson/cd129.jpg)
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thanx. it's usually me defending bodybuilders from verbal attacks. i do respect Chris' record. he did have a great physique, though i think he was at his best years before he became Mr. Olympia. i shouldn't have let his personality affect my words regarding his career. i was actually very embarrassed for him when i met him. these guys seem to forget how many people idolize them; and don't carry themselves in a way that perpetuates their Godlike persona's.
no hard feelings. thanx for keeping me objective.
Fully agree.
Thats why with Dickerson for example, I really admire his physique, but couldn't care less bout meeting him nor most others. I've generally come to understand the guys I idolized are just regular people, and just like regular people, a lot turn out to be assholes.
I'm sure there are many exceptions though, but I don't feel the need to meet them.
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What no Franco? I know he wasn't good at the 1981 Mr.O but he was at the 1976.
Agreed in 1976 Franco looked great at the 1976 Olympia!!!!!
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:) :) :)
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I think Franco gets criticized way too much for his 81 Olympia win...... Look at the guy......maybe he has some gyno.....ok.....but look at his chest, back, bis.....his legs are not nearly as good as Platz's legs....but his legs are still decent and they don't overshadow his upper body. Franco had some sick density and he was always shredded.
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I think Franco gets criticized way too much for his 81 Olympia win...... Look at the guy......maybe he has some gyno.....ok.....but look at his chest, back, bis.....his legs are not nearly as good as Platz's legs....but his legs are still decent and they don't overshadow his upper body. Franco had some sick density and he was always shredded.
he was good how about Jusup Wilcosz?
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Jusup was awesome as well.
Very rugged build.....powerful looking for sure!
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I think Franco gets criticized way too much for his 81 Olympia win...... Look at the guy......maybe he has some gyno.....ok.....but look at his chest, back, bis.....his legs are not nearly as good as Platz's legs....but his legs are still decent and they don't overshadow his upper body. Franco had some sick density and he was always shredded.
shit
his legs are not as good as pro bicyclists
and I am not being funny
good thing you are not a judge
for the record, I know you have apologized, but Hazbin has the best physique on this board, has competed for many years...his thoughts carry respect and volume here
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shit
his legs are not as good as pro bicyclists
and I am not being funny
good thing you are not a judge
for the record, I know you have apologized, but Hazbin has the best physique on this board, has competed for many years...his thoughts carry respect and volume here
so lance armstrong has better legs than franco? I thought I was at getbig.com........I think I am in the twighlight zone.
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I think Franco gets criticized way too much for his 81 Olympia win...... Look at the guy......maybe he has some gyno.....ok.....but look at his chest, back, bis.....his legs are not nearly as good as Platz's legs....but his legs are still decent and they don't overshadow his upper body. Franco had some sick density and he was always shredded.
this in not a personal assault on your character Willie, so i hope you don't blast me with a barrage of personal insults.
i feel Franco's legs in the above photos were balanced (these photos were from the 70's). but when he competed in 1981 they were quite poorly developed compared to the rest of the competitors.
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this in not a personal assault on your character Willie, so i hope you don't blast me with a barrage of personal insults.
i feel Franco's legs in the above photos were balanced (these photos were from the 70's). but when he competed in 1981 they were quite poorly developed compared to the rest of the competitors.
Hazbin,
I apologized to you......my attack on you is in the past......I never attacked you because you felt someone had weak legs.....I attacked you because you called Chris Dickerson a name.....I realize that he pissed you off......at the time it seemed like an attack on his personality or his reputation......I wouldn't attack you because you feel like Franco had weak legs......the past is the past......I respect your opinion regarding Franco.
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I am sure most people would agree that someone mentioning that pro bicyclists have bigger legs than Franco Columbu, is a bit of a stretch......No??
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so lance armstrong has better legs than franco? I thought I was at getbig.com........I think I am in the twighlight zone.
that was the point
that just went buzzing over your head
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shit
his legs are not as good as pro bicyclists
and I am not being funny
good thing you are not a judge
for the record, I know you have apologized, but Hazbin has the best physique on this board, has competed for many years...his thoughts carry respect and volume here
did you not make the statement???? you said you aren't kidding......it was an assinine comment......why are you trying to act like you were joking????
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did you not make the statement???? you said you aren't kidding......it was an assinine comment......why are you trying to act like you were joking????
dude
i will speak to you
as Hazbin will not'
he is a gentleman
I am not
You have no knowledge
have not competed for many years
as we have
you are a fan-boy
that is all
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dude
i will speak to you
as Hazbin will not'
he is a gentleman
I am not
You have no knowledge
have not competed for many years
as we have
you are a fan-boy
that is all
hey dude.......did you make the stupid statement or not????? how would you know about my competitive past???? i don't know you???? are you claiming to know me????? i don't know you or your past......how the hell could you know mine???? answer the question though.......it is right here for you to review.....
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you should not takes things so literally
'wild'
unless you want a bridge that I am selling
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i've been rereading my 1970-1975 Muscle Builder mags. it is a shame (sham?) that Frank Zane was winning the Olympia when Sergio and Serge Nubret were blacklisted from the IFBB.
Joe Weider had countless articles calling Sergio the headless chicken, saying he was living proof that a man could live without a brain. actually horrible the mudslinging Weider did to athletes and other affiliations.
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i've been rereading my 1970-1975 Muscle Builder mags. it is a shame (sham?) that Frank Zane was winning the Olympia when Sergio and Serge Nubret were blacklisted from the IFBB.
Joe Weider had countless articles calling Sergio the headless chicken, saying he was living proof that a man could live without a brain. actually horrible the mudslinging Weider did to athletes and other affiliations.
I agree on Sergio O. Not Nubret...he had not the leg development to best Zane...and no lat spread....but who knows....otherwise he had 'it'
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The use of multiple emoticons in an internet dispute should be punishable by death.
Chris Dickerson should not be included in any conversation about "great" bodybuilders. He was tiny, and had no competition.
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The use of multiple emoticons in an internet dispute should be punishable by death.
Chris Dickerson should not be included in any conversation about "great" bodybuilders. He was tiny, and had no competition.
But he looked much better than you
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:o
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Very underated. Didn't have many weaknesses, and what he did have, he had in spades. (No rascist comments, just seemed the best way to say it, lol.)
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Very underated. Didn't have many weaknesses, and what he did have, he had in spades. (No rascist comments, just seemed the best way to say it, lol.)
did not have the best legs
but not many of his time did
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did not have the best legs
but not many of his time did
Hi Moosejay
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The use of multiple emoticons in an internet dispute should be punishable by death.
Chris Dickerson should not be included in any conversation about "great" bodybuilders. He was tiny, and had no competition.
my friend, please obtain a copy of the video titled "The Comeback".....it is also called "Total Rebuild"......you will see Dickerson onstage against Arnold and company back in 80.......Chris had great triceps.....back detail......and arguably the greatest calves EVER!!!!!!!!!!! Furthermore......the man was Mr. O 1982.......give him some credit!!!!!!!IMHO
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hazbin is spot on.....Robby was unreal......it is a crime that he never won an olympia title......he should have won at least 2 Sandows in the late 70s!!!! IMHO
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hazbin is spot on.....Robby was unreal......it is a crime that he never won an olympia title......he should have won at least 2 Sandows in the late 70s!!!! IMHO
agreed. as well as several Grand Prix events and a few more Night of Champions. and should have beat Gaspari at the inaugeral Arnold Classic.
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my friend, please obtain a copy of the video titled "The Comeback".....it is also called "Total Rebuild"......you will see Dickerson onstage against Arnold and company back in 80.......Chris had great triceps.....back detail......and arguably the greatest calves EVER!!!!!!!!!!! Furthermore......the man was Mr. O 1982.......give him some credit!!!!!!!IMHO
i remember reading Chris saying his brother (triplets if i remember) had better calves than he did.
Matarrazo said the same thing about his dad.
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did not have the best legs
but not many of his time did
His thighs were really good- great seperation and hamstrings (esecially when he was at his peak). You're right though in that his calves were limited as they were quite high. I don't have any pics right now to post.
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His thighs were really good- great seperation and hamstrings (esecially when he was at his peak). You're right though in that his calves were limited as they were quite high. I don't have any pics right now to post.
they were good...but he did need a bit more muscle around the lower quads/knee area...just nit picking!
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The Black Prince
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he should have lost the big ole 'fro
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Spoke to Robinson backstage at the 76 universe. Even amongst other very good BBs on stage, he stood out. The fact that he never won the olympia proves once again the politics of the show, in fact it's surprising to me that the olympia has any integrity remaining given some of the "wins".
Even in 76 Columbu was never the world's best built man, but thanks to politics there was no Oliva or Nubret, both of whom would've cleaned his clock and beaten Zane as well.
Weider lost most of the top BBs in the late 70s and early 80s to retirement or defection, because they were tired of working hard to no avail. Padilla, Szkalak were top guys who left, as well as Mentzer, Robinson, etc. If Weider had played it fairly the olympia would've been far more interesting well into the 80s, with some strong rivalries created and sustained that were otherwise cut short thanks to his nonsense.
The classic argument trottered out here and elsewhere for Zane beating Robinson was conditioning. While this was true in 77, it wasn't true the following year but remains the standard excuse for Zane's win, as seen here.
http://www.dailymotion.com/search/mr.%252Bolympia/video/x2s3jd_mr-olympia-1978_extreme
Bottom line for some who should've won but didn't, such as Robinson and Fox is that Weider wanted good spokesmen for the "sport", which is entirely understandable but not part of the judging criterion. It should be because it's a clear factor. Fox would've won outright in 83 had he been shredded, but even a little smooth he was still one of the top two or three on stage at the very least-as proportioned and cut as Samir but bigger, and clearly better than Haney-once again they went with the more eloquent BBs.
Grymko was interesting but never a serious contender thanks to a lack of proportion (arms overpowered by delts and torso, wide waist, legs lacking) and an absence of aesthetics or detail. What i'll remember him most for were the first-ever in depth roid/gh articles he was part of in Muscle in the later 70s.
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did not have the best legs
but not many of his time did
They were pretty good considering they weren't a strong point. In person what you saw that might not be obvious in pics is insanely huge hamstrings. Thighs had good size and sweep, just a little smooth. Calves were decent-not great and not terrible either.
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They were pretty good considering they weren't a strong point. In person what you saw that might not be obvious in pics is insanely huge hamstrings. Thighs had good size and sweep, just a little smooth. Calves were decent-not great and not terrible either.
Yes
I saw him at his best in 79
hams just popped out of his sweats
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Dickerson has been an acquaintance thru a mutual friend since 1980, from back in the golden days of NYC. Also used to see him regularly at one of the only hardcore Manhattan gyms we went to in the late 70s. I would group him with Larry Scott, Bill Pearl and others as part of the more refined and cultured old guard that for the most part doesn't exist anymore. Erudite and refined, Dickerson's the kind of BB Weider would always prefer to win. Not to say that Dickerson was perfect though, like Scott I can imagine him being a little snippy from time to time but the overall impression is one of quality and depth, a good spokesman for the sport. These days it seems to me that most of the BBs with those qualities are not Americans.
Exactly the problem with guys who were physically deserving, like Robinson and others-the fro, the persona were not appreciated when it came to perceptions as to what a winner should be.
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Dickerson has been an acquaintance thru a mutual friend since 1980, from back in the golden days of NYC. Also used to see him regularly at one of the only hardcore Manhattan gyms we went to in the late 70s. I would group him with Larry Scott, Bill Pearl and others as part of the more refined and cultured old guard that for the most part doesn't exist anymore. Erudite and refined, Dickerson's the kind of BB Weider would always prefer to win. Not to say that Dickerson was perfect though, like Scott I can imagine him being a little snippy from time to time but the overall impression is one of quality and depth, a good spokesman for the sport. These days it seems to me that most of the BBs with those qualities are not Americans.
Exactly the problem with guys who were physically deserving, like Robinson and others-the fro, the persona were not appreciated when it came to perceptions as to what a winner should be.
all very, very true