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http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/newark_woman_graduates_essex_c.html
"Toni moved out on the streets and used her unemployment checks to cover the cost of meals, and her tuition."
Im glad this women decided to go to college and better herself but doing it on the tax payers dime is horseshit...
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The problem with how she financed college is what?...
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The problem with how whe financed college is what?...
How about that the taxpayer is paying for this????
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How about that the taxpayer is paying for this????
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/newark_woman_graduates_essex_c.html
"Toni moved out on the streets and used her unemployment checks to cover the cost of meals, and her tuition."
Im glad this women decided to go to college and better herself but doing it on the tax payers dime is horseshit...
TWO IDIOTS
The employer, not the tax payer, funds unemployment. With the ridiculously expensive tuitions in the US I am wondering how she managed to do this on the paltry unemployment checks...and for you tony...the labor department actually encourages those on UE to go back to school and learn a new sklll, trade or service..especially if they are in a field that is all but dissolved.
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TWO IDIOTS
The employer, not the tax payer, funds unemployment. With the ridiculously expensive tuitions in the US I am wondering how she managed to do this on the paltry unemployment checks...and for you tony...the labor department actually encourages those on UE to go back to school and learn a new sklll, trade or service..especially if they are in a field that is all but dissolved.
ahh as far as i know unemployment assistance is government run and government is funded by the tax payers.
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Agree with Samson.... UE is not going to come close to actually covering anything except a moderate beer tab at college these days...
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Agree with Samson.... UE is not going to come close to actually covering anything except a moderate beer tab at college these days...
Community College is a good buy.
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Agree with Samson.... UE is not going to come close to actually covering anything except a moderate beer tab at college these days...
Like it said she was homeless and i believe it was community college
Can someone comfirm whether UE is funded by the government or the employer?
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ahh as far as i know unemployment assistance is government run and government is funded by the tax payers.
WRONG... Employer funded insurance
Like it said she was homeless and i believe it was community college
Can someone comfirm whether UE is funded by the government or the employer?
I just confirmed it for you
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The federal-state unemployment insurance system helps people who have lost their jobs by temporarily replacing part of their wages. Created in 1935, the system is a form of social insurance, with contributions being paid into the system on behalf of working people so that they have income support if they lose their jobs. The system also helps sustain consumer demand during economic downturns, by providing a continuing stream of dollars for families to spend.
The basic unemployment insurance program is run by the states, although it is overseen by the U.S. Department of Labor. States provide most of the funding, and pay for the actual benefits provided to workers; the federal government pays only for the administrative costs to the states of running the program. Although subject to a few federal requirements, states are generally able to set their own eligibility criteria and benefit levels
The unemployment insurance system is funded by taxes paid by employers on behalf of their employees. Most of these taxes are collected by state governments, but some are collected by the federal government. While both the federal and state taxes are technically paid by employers (although in a few states, the employee pays part of the state tax), economists generally regard the tax as falling on employees. The theory behind this is that the dollars employers use to pay the tax are part of overall compensation costs, and would otherwise have gone into employees’ paychecks.
The federal tax is set by the Federal Unemployment Tax Act (FUTA), and is equal to 0.8 percent of the first $7,000 paid annually to each employee. This tax is regressive; since most workers earn more than $7,000 per year, most workers are effectively paying the same flat tax of $56 per year regardless of income. The percentage of overall wages paid in FUTA taxes on behalf of high-wage workers is therefore much lower than for low-wage workers.
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ITS A FUCKING TAX RETARD.........regardles s of who generates it. If our guy 3 has employees and he has to let them go...then his tax dollars are funding their unemployment. Its a tax.....ur an idiot.
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People get government grants to go to college all the time.
And even though UI is collected through employer taxes, the length of time you are eligible for the benefits depends on the length of time you've worked. This chick is like 50. I doubt Essex Community College was that expensive. The article also says she lost her job in 2007, so she was probably only in an 18-month program.
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The problem with how she financed college is what?...
Post high school education increases the earning power of the citizenry, thereby benefiting the country as a whole...
So again,... paraphrasing my previous statement, "The problem with the government funding college is what?"...
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Post high school education increases the earning power of the citizenry, thereby benefiting the country as a whole...
So again,... paraphrasing my previous statement, "The problem with the government funding college is what?"...
perhaps the government should finance everybodies higher education goals?
like i said im glad she decided to better herself and get a higher education.
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http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/newark_woman_graduates_essex_c.html
"Toni moved out on the streets and used her unemployment checks to cover the cost of meals, and her tuition."
Im glad this women decided to go to college and better herself but doing it on the tax payers dime is horseshit...
what difference does it make what she does with the money?
would you feel better if she used it to buy pizza and pay her cable bill?
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perhaps the government should finance everybodies higher education goals?
like i said im glad she decided to better herself and get a higher education.
that's actually a great idea
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perhaps the government should finance everybodies higher education goals?
like i said im glad she decided to better herself and get a higher education.
There are merits to your argument,... I admit there may be a funding problem,...this is tempered by the fact that more highly educated populace would certainly go a long way to making the United States better. I am not talking about trade schools, I mean higher education,... History, English, Science, Art, Music, Rhetoric, as well as the technical education.
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I know morons who bought beer and weed with their 6 months worth of unemployment.
worthless slugs :(
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There are merits to your argument,... I admit there may be a funding problem,...this is tempered by the fact that more highly educated populace would certainly go a long way to making the United States better. I am not talking about trade schools, I mean higher education,... History, English, Science, Art, Music, Rhetoric, as well as the technical education.
i completely agree with you but is it the place of the government to pay for such things or is it not enough to simply give access to these things but require them to pay for themselves? I dont think its the governments place to finance education I understand that certain deserving ppl do get grants thats not to say though that justifies the financing of anybodies education.
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In Canada, Emplyoment insurance formerly known as unemployment insurance, is paid by the insuree.
It's deducted off an employees paycheque. Those who are self employed can gain access to it, by remitting regular deductions from their weekly pay... or by paying insurance premiums into the system based upon a certain payrate.
Personally, I have no problem with someone who uses social assistance to better position themselves for success. It's better than using it for drugs.
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perhaps the government should finance everybodies higher education goals?
You mean like they do in Libya and Saudi Arabia? :D
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i completely agree with you but is it the place of the government to pay for such things or is it not enough to simply give access to these things but require them to pay for themselves? I dont think its the governments place to finance education I understand that certain deserving ppl do get grants thats not to say though that justifies the financing of anybodies education.
With what are you claiming to take issue? The concept of unemployment insurance? The concept of higher education?
I can't make sense of your posts. She was going to get that money anyway, so is it how she spent it that you have a problem with?
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With what are you claiming to take issue? The concept of unemployment insurance? The concept of higher education?
I can't make sense of your posts. She was going to get that money anyway, so is it how she spent it that you have a problem with?
There is no sense to his posts. He just loves to argue for the sake of arguing.
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You mean like they do in Libya and Saudi Arabia? :D
If that means that you will have to wear a Buraka than yes! Finally not seeing your ugly face!
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good use of the money. I don't think there are any stipulations on what your unemployment checks have to be spent on.
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i completely agree with you but is it the place of the government to pay for such things or is it not enough to simply give access to these things but require them to pay for themselves? I dont think its the governments place to finance education I understand that certain deserving ppl do get grants thats not to say though that justifies the financing of anybodies education.
Not to put too fine of a point on it, yes it should,...through funding for state universities among other things. Conservatives oppose education financing because they are angry with the people who were active politically in opposition to the Vietnam War. People who were primarily educated at publicly financed institutes of higher education.
(Education aside, the real reason the American populace turned against the Vietnam War was because it went on longer than four to five years. The people who ran World War II understood this and had a goal of completing the war in under five years.)
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Good for her.
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Not to put too fine of a point on it, yes it should,...through funding for state universities among other things. Conservatives oppose education financing because they are angry with the people who were active politically in opposition to the Vietnam War. People who were primarily educated at publicly financed institutes of higher education.
(Education aside, the real reason the American populace turned against the Vietnam War was because it went on longer than four to five years. The people who ran World War II understood this and had a goal of completing the war in under five years.)
The reason college is so expensive is because of the availability of so many easy loans in the first place and no incentive for colleges to keep costs down.
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Not to put too fine of a point on it, yes it should,...through funding for state universities among other things. Conservatives oppose education financing because they are angry with the people who were active politically in opposition to the Vietnam War. People who were primarily educated at publicly financed institutes of higher education.
(Education aside, the real reason the American populace turned against the Vietnam War was because it went on longer than four to five years. The people who ran World War II understood this and had a goal of completing the war in under five years.)
so your saying that conservatives are against financing higher education b/c it would lead to a loss in constituents?
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so your saying that conservatives are against financing higher education b/c it would lead to a loss in constituents?
I am against funding college like we are doing because it makes students slaves to debt for many years. Additionally, these kids have a mortgage to pay for with no house to show for it.
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I am against funding college like we are doing because it makes students slaves to debt for many years. Additionally, these kids have a mortgage to pay for with no house to show for it.
aint that the damn truth
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aint that the damn truth
Once again, I have to question your purpose for starting this thread. These last few posts don't really jibe with the first posts you made in this thread. This woman's tuition was paid for with no loans, so the cost was obviously completely reasonable. Describing "unemployment benefits" as the taxpayer's dime is only accurate in the most serpentine way? What is it about this story that you find so outrageous that it justifies four exclamation points in the thread title?
Do you have a problem with unemployment benefits, period?
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Once again, I have to question your purpose for starting this thread. These last few posts don't really jibe with the first posts you made in this thread. This woman's tuition was paid for with no loans, so the cost was obviously completely reasonable. Describing "unemployment benefits" as the taxpayer's dime is only accurate in the most serpentine way? What is it about this story that you find so outrageous that it justifies four exclamation points in the thread title?
Do you have a problem with unemployment benefits, period?
The intended purpose is for the person to seek employment, not education, while on UE. I'm saying its wrong, and for this woman is probably the right thing to do.
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Once again, I have to question your purpose for starting this thread. These last few posts don't really jibe with the first posts you made in this thread. This woman's tuition was paid for with no loans, so the cost was obviously completely reasonable. Describing "unemployment benefits" as the taxpayer's dime is only accurate in the most serpentine way? What is it about this story that you find so outrageous that it justifies four exclamation points in the thread title?
Do you have a problem with unemployment benefits, period?
sorry doggity i didnt see the first time you asked the question.
I was under the impression that UE was paid for by the tax payer although like you said it could be deemed that it is it was not in the way that i believed it to be. As with most threads the the original topic is not usually the topic that ends up being discussed and we have moved past that as or now.
How long does UE last?
what are the conditions of UE? in Texas I believe that a person must be continually looking for employment, again not certain of that
The intended purpose is for the person to seek employment, not education, while on UE. I'm saying its wrong, and for this woman is probably the right thing to do.
this is more of what the thread has become doggity, you seem to do that alot come in and take a statement in the wrong context.
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UE can be abused very easily by many people.
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The intended purpose is for the person to seek employment, not education, while on UE. I'm saying its wrong, and for this woman is probably the right thing to do.
Not really. Unemployment beneficiaries are very much encouraged to pursue some form of education during their working hiatus. If you are on unemployment and you decide to take some type of vocational training, your benefits will be extended. I would assume that that was part of the reason this woman was able to receive more than six months worth of unemployment.
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I posted the rules...u get 28 weeks or something and have to be actively looking for employment. What they allow u to do in practice, I'm sure, is different. Everybody does not have a right to higher education nor does the gov have a mandate to support it. The number of people who can't grad in 4 years is increasing. Tuition is increasing. U never see tuition at a major university roll back. The system needs to have a spotlight shown on it. Grants and loans keep getting approved and tuition keeps going up.
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I posted the rules...u get 28 weeks or something and have to be actively looking for employment. What they allow u to do in practice, I'm sure, is different. Everybody does not have a right to higher education nor does the gov have a mandate to support it. The number of people who can't grad in 4 years is increasing. Tuition is increasing. U never see tuition at a major university roll back. The system needs to have a spotlight shown on it. Grants and loans keep getting approved and tuition keeps going up.
thats what i thought,
so doggity you think a homeless person who attended college was out looking for job? thats more of my beef UE is meant to get you by while you look obtain another position elsewhere.
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sorry doggity i didnt see the first time you asked the question.
I was under the impression that UE was paid for by the tax payer although like you said it could be deemed that it is it was not in the way that i believed it to be. As with most threads the the original topic is not usually the topic that ends up being discussed and we have moved past that as or now.
How long does UE last?
what are the conditions of UE? in Texas I believe that a person must be continually looking for employment, again not certain of that
this is more of what the thread has become doggity, you seem to do that alot come in and take a statement in the wrong context.
I don't think I've ever come in and taken a statement out of context. I certainly didn't do that here. While all threads evolve, very few evolve to the point where the original topic is suddenly rendered verboten... especially in under two pages. Especially if those two topics are under the same conversational umbrella.
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thats what i thought,
so doggity you think a homeless person who attended college was out looking for job? thats more of my beef UE is meant to get you by while you look obtain another position elsewhere.
And like I said in my previous post, if you pursue some form of vocational training, your benefits are extended. Theoretically, a stronger educational background makes your more employable, so it is in both the recipient's and society's interest to encourage the unemployed to pursue some type of education/training.
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And like I said in my previous post, if you pursue some form of vocational training, your benefits are extended. Theoretically, a stronger educational background makes your more employable, so it is in both the recipient's and society's interest to encourage the unemployed to pursue some type of education/training.
but whos respsonsibility is it to pay for that? the individual or society?
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but whos respsonsibility is it to pay for that? the individual or society?
I think the premise of the question is false. Just like that of the thread title. This is like me going up to a cop and telling him I pay his salary.
Unemployment benefits are part of an insurance system. If you pay for your health insurance, you are given a reimbursement for belonging to a gym because it promotes health. It's the same thing with UI.
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http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/newark_woman_graduates_essex_c.html
"Toni moved out on the streets and used her unemployment checks to cover the cost of meals, and her tuition."
Im glad this women decided to go to college and better herself but doing it on the tax payers dime is horseshit...
Idiot post of the year
I literally spit out my saffron seasoned eggs whites reading this stupid conservatives post ;
Who cares how the women spent the money? it's her choice how she chooses to allocate the funds of her unemployment proceeds..
Can't believe the stupidity of this conservative
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so your saying that conservatives are against financing higher education b/c it would lead to a loss in constituents?
They are against it because they view that people with post high school education (antiwar activists) used their education to subvert the Vietnam War effort of the United States. They view that it is better to have a populace educated just enough to function in their job, but not enough to be able to interfere with anything like Vietnam again...So college education is restricted from the general public...problem solved....
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I posted the rules...u get 28 weeks or something and have to be actively looking for employment. What they allow u to do in practice, I'm sure, is different. Everybody does not have a right to higher education nor does the gov have a mandate to support it. The number of people who can't grad in 4 years is increasing. Tuition is increasing. U never see tuition at a major university roll back. The system needs to have a spotlight shown on it. Grants and loans keep getting approved and tuition keeps going up.
Tuition at state universities go up becasue state legislatures don't not provide funding as a percentage comparable to what they did in the 1960' early 70's..
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They are against it because they view that people with post high school education (antiwar activists) used their education to subvert the Vietnam War effort of the United States. They view that it is better to have a populace educated just enough to function in their job, but not enough to be able to interfere with anything like Vietnam again...So college education is restricted from the general public...problem solved....
so your saying that the government is against higher education? wars are not only started or conducted by conservatives sync.
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what difference does it make what she does with the money?
would you feel better if she used it to buy pizza and pay her cable bill?
crack and steroids be better at least she on the streets all buff,,,but cracked out
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Tuition at state universities go up becasue state legislatures don't not provide funding as a percentage comparable to what they did in the 1960' early 70's..
No. College tuition goes up because colleges find new and inventive ways every year to waste money.
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That woman has shown that she is smarter than some of the conservatives posting on this thread.
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Idiot post of the year
I literally spit out my saffron seasoned eggs whites reading this stupid conservatives post ;
Who cares how the women spent the money? it's her choice how she chooses to allocate the funds of her unemployment proceeds..
Can't believe the stupidity of this conservative
Agreed you can spend UI on what ever you want, this guy is a complete moron.