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I've read through the posts regarding prohormones and know there are mixed views.
Which one would you recommend if you had to pick? Thanks
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The tren clones are the only ones worth your while. All the rest will just make you feel like you have the flu.
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Thanks, I'll look into those. Personally, I don't like how the products are marketed. If they were marketed as just another supplement I would feel better about using them.
Also after I take the prohormone would a product like 6 oxo and then mhp t-bomb be beneficial?
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it depends which prohormone you take...but if you do take one you need to research a proper pct. After a cycle an AI or SERM and a natural test booster are essentials to help your hormone levels return to a normal state. Products such as 6-oxo are not just beneficial but are necessary.
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Save your money dude they do not work. Placebo effect at best. I've done M-Drol and a few others I cannot remember at the moment. Never did PCT after them just took liver protection.
Nothing did as much as 500 mg of enanthate a week. Even those testosterone gels did something for me way more than any prohormone. I used the gel before I tried the shot. I tried the prohormones 2 years after I did a cycle because I saw some posts that people were jacked and gaining 35lbs of muscle and outrageous claims, however the comparison is a joke. It's your money though. You will gain weight but you will lose it all after 2 weeks you are not on it. Very toxic on the body as well. I felt like shit and it was a chore to get to the gym.
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Save your money dude they do not work. Placebo effect at best. I've done M-Drol and a few others I cannot remember at the moment. Never did PCT after them just took liver protection.
Nothing did as much as 500 mg of enanthate a week. Even those testosterone gels did something for me way more than any prohormone. I used the gel before I tried the shot. I tried the prohormones 2 years after I did a cycle because I saw some posts that people were jacked and gaining 35lbs of muscle and outrageous claims, however the comparison is a joke. It's your money though. You will gain weight but you will lose it all after 2 weeks you are not on it. Very toxic on the body as well. I felt like shit and it was a chore to get to the gym.
I totaly disagree here. Some prohormones, or OTC steroids which is what they are, are pretty powerful. M1T was extremely powerful, the original superdrol as well. M-Drol is a superdrol clone, and probably not as good. The original, is pretty awesome though. Gaspari Halodrol(RIP) was a good one as well. Now, are they as good as 500 mg of TE a week, probably not. BUT, when you do a superdrol or halodrol, you normally only stay on for 6 weeks or so. Where as with test, its usually around 12 weeks or more. So, thats twice the amount of time to enjoy the positive effects. Bottom line is, they do work, but you should go with legit HG if possible, because these 'prohormones" can have some nasty side effects.
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I totaly disagree here. Some prohormones, or OTC steroids which is what they are, are pretty powerful. M1T was extremely powerful, the original superdrol as well. M-Drol is a superdrol clone, and probably not as good. The original, is pretty awesome though. Gaspari Halodrol(RIP) was a good one as well. Now, are they as good as 500 mg of TE a week, probably not. BUT, when you do a superdrol or halodrol, you normally only stay on for 6 weeks or so. Where as with test, its usually around 12 weeks or more. So, thats twice the amount of time to enjoy the positive effects. Bottom line is, they do work, but you should go with legit HG if possible, because these 'prohormones" can have some nasty side effects.
good post.
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prohormones are for the most part highly unregulated. That means companies are making bank off of your obsession with getting big. Some do work but you have no idea really what you are putting in your body. If you are willing to take that chance, god bless you.
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Save your money dude they do not work. Placebo effect at best. I've done M-Drol and a few others I cannot remember at the moment. Never did PCT after them just took liver protection.
Nothing did as much as 500 mg of enanthate a week. Even those testosterone gels did something for me way more than any prohormone. I used the gel before I tried the shot. I tried the prohormones 2 years after I did a cycle because I saw some posts that people were jacked and gaining 35lbs of muscle and outrageous claims, however the comparison is a joke. It's your money though. You will gain weight but you will lose it all after 2 weeks you are not on it. Very toxic on the body as well. I felt like shit and it was a chore to get to the gym.
not true. Alot of the prohormones are drugs that are slightly altered, like havoc for example.
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I looked into RPN's Havoc and that seems like a decent product, what do you think of the tren ones necrosis?
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not true. Alot of the prohormones are drugs that are slightly altered, like havoc for example.
Necrosis is a man with knowledge and strange diphthongs, no doubt about it.
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I've read through the posts regarding prohormones and know there are mixed views.
Which one would you recommend if you had to pick? Thanks
DBOL......ANADROL.......TEST.......ANAVAR.......EVERYTHING ELSE IS WASTE OF TIME. IMHO
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if you are going to spend money on anything get the juice
prohormones are no different than supps that are sold in these bb magazines.
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if you are going to spend money on anything get the juice
prohormones are no different than supps that are sold in these bb magazines.
That's not true, like it was stated above, a lot of the PH are actually real oral steroids.
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i respect your opinion donkey kong......but i just think that prohormones and these top of the lines "supps" are nothing more than snake oil.....if you get my drift???
legit deca, sustenon, dbol, anavar, anadrol........can't beat it's effectiveness compared to prohormones......just my .02 though
i legitimately respect your opinion though.....i am not putting you down......just my personal feelings on the matter.....no hard feelings meant.
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i respect your opinion donkey kong......but i just think that prohormones and these top of the lines "supps" are nothing more than snake oil.....if you get my drift???
legit deca, sustenon, dbol, anavar, anadrol........can't beat it's effectiveness compared to prohormones......just my .02 though
i legitimately respect your opinion though.....i am not putting you down......just my personal feelings on the matter.....no hard feelings meant.
"putting me down"??
dude, your 'opinion' stands against scientific proof.
there are crap PH and there are OTC legal steroids. There is no 'opinion' about it.
A 4 week cycle of M1T will not have the same results as 16 weeks of 500mg Testosterone, that's for sure, but besides that these Oral steroids are just as good or even better than Dianabol, Oxandrolon and so on.
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donkey kong.....
like i said.....no attack on you bro
the hell with what some scientist in a lab says
go to any gym and ask an iron veteran of 20 years or more and chances are good he'll take the dbol over the prohormones.
like i said no hard feelings......do you know how many false ads are printined in the mags OUR CREATINE WOKS 309 PERCENT FASTER THAN OUR COMPETITORS CREATINE.....BLAH BLAH BLAH
GASPARI AND ALL THOSE OTHER COMPANYS TELL YOU ALL ABOUT SCIENTIFIC TEST......GIVE ME THE GOOD STUFF
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ask dexter and dorian and king what they think will work better
prohormones don't hold water to legit dbol.....anavar....ect
prohormones or legit gear.......
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ask dexter and dorian and king what they think will work better
prohormones don't hold water to legit dbol.....anavar....ect
prohormones or legit gear.......
Legit gear isn't so easy to find my friend...
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OK...you mentioned T-Bomb II...what about it? Is it worth the money? I have read about as many post pro and con. What is your guy's consensus? ???
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donkey kong.....
like i said.....no attack on you bro
the hell with what some scientist in a lab says
go to any gym and ask an iron veteran of 20 years or more and chances are good he'll take the dbol over the prohormones.
like i said no hard feelings......do you know how many false ads are printined in the mags OUR CREATINE WOKS 309 PERCENT FASTER THAN OUR COMPETITORS CREATINE.....BLAH BLAH BLAH
GASPARI AND ALL THOSE OTHER COMPANYS TELL YOU ALL ABOUT SCIENTIFIC TEST......GIVE ME THE GOOD STUFF
Of course anyone with a clue would choose dbol over any prohormone. But you saying they are worthless, is simply not true. Basiclly, they are substances that have been in old medical journals for years that for whatever reason were never put out on the market. FDA closes loophole on very particular substances, psuedo chemists dust off some old steroid that no one ever took to the market and the FDA never pulled, and voila, superdrol, halodrol, M1T,etc. I've been in the gym for close to 20 years myself, and believe me, these substances are legit, not as great as what you listed earlier, but legit. Hell, they have oral Tren that's highly absorbable at Max-muscle stores these days, thats whats down right dangerous, any 16 year old kid can buy them and do God knows what to their system.
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Okay, obviously there's a lot of opinions all over the place. Do they still sell Superdrol or Haladrol 50? If so what brand is best?
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Of course anyone with a clue would choose dbol over any prohormone. But you saying they are worthless, is simply not true. Basiclly, they are substances that have been in old medical journals for years that for whatever reason were never put out on the market. FDA closes loophole on very particular substances, psuedo chemists dust off some old steroid that no one ever took to the market and the FDA never pulled, and voila, superdrol, halodrol, M1T,etc. I've been in the gym for close to 20 years myself, and believe me, these substances are legit, not as great as what you listed earlier, but legit. Hell, they have oral Tren that's highly absorbable at Max-muscle stores these days, thats whats down right dangerous, any 16 year old kid can buy them and do God knows what to their system.
well dude.....that is my point......if you are going to spend a couple hundred bucks....would you spend it on legit gear or prohormones???? if you had some money to spend on real food such as new york strips and baked potatoes.....good clean bb food.....would you use your money on that or waste it on supplements advbertised in the bb mags???? that is my point.....legit gear and real bb foods.....as you can tell....i don't place a lot of credence in supplements.......maybe a good protein powder??? but no creatine supps and no prohormones.
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I looked into RPN's Havoc and that seems like a decent product, what do you think of the tren ones necrosis?
i beleive they are the drug diedrone if im not mistaken, hard on the hpta, great for strength. Exceptionally strong if you ask me, but a little to hard on the testes for what your getting. expect significant shutdown and insomnia.
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"putting me down"??
dude, your 'opinion' stands against scientific proof.
there are crap PH and there are OTC legal steroids. There is no 'opinion' about it.
A 4 week cycle of M1T will not have the same results as 16 weeks of 500mg Testosterone, that's for sure, but besides that these Oral steroids are just as good or even better than Dianabol, Oxandrolon and so on.
this is fact, i would venture that alot of "prohormones" like pheraplex are better then any oral prescription drug, havoc is already a prescription drug but in terms of sides to effects it beats anadrol for instance. Same with epistane, superdrol etc... M1T is shit but that is an old school drug
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this is fact, i would venture that alot of "prohormones" like pheraplex are better then any oral prescription drug, havoc is already a prescription drug but in terms of sides to effects it beats anadrol for instance. Same with epistane, superdrol etc... M1T is shit but that is an old school drug
Havoc = Epistane.
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Some reviews I have seen on HAVOC.
“Well I’m on day 10 @30mg. I’m up 4 lbs and I’m leaning out. Strength is up (finished all sets with gas in the tank) mood is good, energy is good, no acne, no cramps and best of all my gyno (which was the size of a dime and very sensitive for the last 4-6 months is 75% GONE !!!!!!!!!!!!) I can only tell there is any left if I really search for it!”
“Just gotta say that I am on the 2nd day of a 30mg dosage of Epistane and my mood and libido has been extremely improved. My libido hasn't been this strong in a long time!
“Just completed workout #2. Oh my! Workout was off the charts. I am a very light skinned Irish Lad, who now looks like he has a third degree sun burn. My upper body is so pumped up, that I am as red as a fire hydrant, and I can see almost zero separation in my triceps. (heck I can barely bend my arms). I felt very powerful and explosive today, I got 17 reps with the 90's on the incline in under 25 seconds.”
So basically it cures Gyno, enhances libido like Viagra and in only 2 workouts you'll get so huge you can't bend your arms?
That is some powerful stuff.... ;D
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Some reviews I have seen on HAVOC.
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So basically it cures Gyno, enhances libido like Viagra and in only 2 workouts you'll get so huge you can't bend your arms?
That is some powerful stuff.... ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Havoc = Epistane.
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan- 17b-ol
2,3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol
yes you are right, the different wording of the compound without looking at it made me beleive they were different compounds.
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Save your money dude they do not work. Placebo effect at best. I've done M-Drol and a few others I cannot remember at the moment. Never did PCT after them just took liver protection.
Nothing did as much as 500 mg of enanthate a week. Even those testosterone gels did something for me way more than any prohormone. I used the gel before I tried the shot. I tried the prohormones 2 years after I did a cycle because I saw some posts that people were jacked and gaining 35lbs of muscle and outrageous claims, however the comparison is a joke. It's your money though. You will gain weight but you will lose it all after 2 weeks you are not on it. Very toxic on the body as well. I felt like shit and it was a chore to get to the gym.
I disagree. I have gained 10 + pounds and put up considerably more weight on all my lifts with them.
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Some reviews I have seen on HAVOC.
“Well I’m on day 10 @30mg. I’m up 4 lbs and I’m leaning out. Strength is up (finished all sets with gas in the tank) mood is good, energy is good, no acne, no cramps and best of all my gyno (which was the size of a dime and very sensitive for the last 4-6 months is 75% GONE !!!!!!!!!!!!) I can only tell there is any left if I really search for it!”
“Just gotta say that I am on the 2nd day of a 30mg dosage of Epistane and my mood and libido has been extremely improved. My libido hasn't been this strong in a long time!
“Just completed workout #2. Oh my! Workout was off the charts. I am a very light skinned Irish Lad, who now looks like he has a third degree sun burn. My upper body is so pumped up, that I am as red as a fire hydrant, and I can see almost zero separation in my triceps. (heck I can barely bend my arms). I felt very powerful and explosive today, I got 17 reps with the 90's on the incline in under 25 seconds.”
So basically it cures Gyno, enhances libido like Viagra and in only 2 workouts you'll get so huge you can't bend your arms?
That is some powerful stuff.... ;D
That's epistane you mean. Epistane is a anti estrogenic
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Some reviews I have seen on HAVOC.
“Well I’m on day 10 @30mg. I’m up 4 lbs and I’m leaning out. Strength is up (finished all sets with gas in the tank) mood is good, energy is good, no acne, no cramps and best of all my gyno (which was the size of a dime and very sensitive for the last 4-6 months is 75% GONE !!!!!!!!!!!!) I can only tell there is any left if I really search for it!”
“Just gotta say that I am on the 2nd day of a 30mg dosage of Epistane and my mood and libido has been extremely improved. My libido hasn't been this strong in a long time!
“Just completed workout #2. Oh my! Workout was off the charts. I am a very light skinned Irish Lad, who now looks like he has a third degree sun burn. My upper body is so pumped up, that I am as red as a fire hydrant, and I can see almost zero separation in my triceps. (heck I can barely bend my arms). I felt very powerful and explosive today, I got 17 reps with the 90's on the incline in under 25 seconds.”
So basically it cures Gyno, enhances libido like Viagra and in only 2 workouts you'll get so huge you can't bend your arms?
That is some powerful stuff.... ;D
haha, funny post..............of course old reliable dbol, deca, tran, and test are preferable.............. .but some of these prohormones, like you were saying...are really "pro"steroids......and can be a welcome addition to any cycle, or even alone.............i find epistane for example works for me as well as oral winstrol, and better then anavar.
here is a primer of prohormone ratings, and an equivalency chart: btw.........i jacked this from another forum, this is not my intellectual property...
This is what I've gathered through my research of most of the current ph/ds on the market.
3-AD~4-6hrs
Nomenclature: Androsterone (3a-hydroxy-5a-androstan-17-one)
Effective Dose: 4-6caps, & as high as 8caps
Effective Cycle Length: 6wks-8wks
Halodrol~16hrs
Anabolic: 74
Androgenic: 28
Nomenclature: Oral Turinabol (4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol)
Effective Dose: 50mg-100mg, & as high as 150mg
Effective Cycle Length: 6wks
Bold~7-10days
Nomenclature: Boldenone (1,4-androstadiene-3-one,17b-ol)
Effective Dose: 600mg-800mg, & as high as 1200mg
Effective Cycle Length: 8wks-12wks
Furazadrol~12hrs
Anabolic: 330
Androgenic: 73
Nomenclature: Furazabol (5a-etioallochollan[2,3-c]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether)
Effective Dose: 300mg-600mg
Effective Cycle Length: 6wks-8wks
Epistane~6hrs
Anabolic: 1100
Androgenic: 91
Nomenclature: Epithio (2,3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallocholan-17b-ol)
Effective Dose: 30mg-40mg, & as high as 60mg
Effective Cycle Length: 4wks-6wks
Superdrol~8hrs
Anabolic: 400
Androgenic: 20
Nomenclature: Methasteron (2a,17a-di-methyl-etiochollan-3-one, 17b-ol)
Effective Dose: 10mg-30mg, & as high as 60mg
Effective Cycle Length: 3wks
Phera Plex~9hrs
Anabolic: 1200
Androgenic: 187
Nomenclature: Desoxy-Methyl-Testosterone (17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol)
Effective Dose: 30mg-40mg
Effective Cycle Length: 4wks
Trenadrol~6-7hrs
Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxytrienbolone
Effective Dose: 60mg-120mg, & as high as 150mg
Effective Cycle Length: 4wks-6wks
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The Prohormone/Designer Steroid Effectiveness Chart
Created By:
Ross Erstling(Owner of Supreme Sports Enhancements)
High = 10; Low=1
Muscle Mass/Strength/Definition/Side-Effects
Superdrol(2a, 17a Dimethyl Etiocholan 3-One, 17b-Ol)
Rating: 9/9/8/8
Phera-Plex(17a-Methyl-Etioallocholan-2-Ene-17b-Ol)
Rating: 8/8/2/6
Halodrol(4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Androst-1,4-Diene-3-17b-Diol)
Rating: 4/5/7/2
Epistane(2a, 3a-Epithio-17a-Methyl- 5a-Androstan-17b-Ol)
Rating: 5/6/8/2
BOLD(1, 4 Androstadiene-3, 17- Dione)
Rating: 4/4/5/1
Dymethazine(17beta-hydroxy 2alpha,17beta-dimethyl 5alpha-androstan 3-on azine)
Rating: ?/?/?/?
Trenadrol(17b-methoxy-Trienbolone)
Rating: 5/8/7/6
11-oxo(Androsterone)
Rating: 2/2/6/1
Furazadrol(5a-Etioallocholan[2,3-C]furazan-17b-Tetrahydropyranol Ether):
Rating: 3/3/5/2
Here is also a list of current Designer Steroids and their most comparable AAS counterparts:
Superdrol: Anadrol WITHOUT the water-retention! Insane DRY HARD MASS!
Phera-Plex: High dose Dianabol
Trenadrol: Tren, but less overall gains
Epistane/Havoc: Very comparable to Anavar
H-Drol: Very comparable to Turinabol
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I've read through the posts regarding prohormones and know there are mixed views.
Which one would you recommend if you had to pick? Thanks
all over priced crap... either juice or don't
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Save your money dude they do not work. Placebo effect at best. I've done M-Drol and a few others I cannot remember at the moment. Never did PCT after them just took liver protection.
Nothing did as much as 500 mg of enanthate a week. Even those testosterone gels did something for me way more than any prohormone. I used the gel before I tried the shot. I tried the prohormones 2 years after I did a cycle because I saw some posts that people were jacked and gaining 35lbs of muscle and outrageous claims, however the comparison is a joke. It's your money though. You will gain weight but you will lose it all after 2 weeks you are not on it. Very toxic on the body as well. I felt like shit and it was a chore to get to the gym.
this is an absolute assanine comment... they do work,most all of them..i have t
Tried HD a cpl times and 11oxo and Stano200,with good results..Not as good as real gear,obvioulsy. I know plwnty of ppl who have made great results with strength and physique.
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all over priced crap... either juice or don't
your posts mire often than not,make me laugh.there just about never informative and always negative...over priced,yeah ok man,lol
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Boldione (1,4-andro) was one of the best supplements I've ever used. Made me grow like a weed.
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not crap gained 20lbs in 6 weeks with superdrol