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Title: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: Earl1972 on July 05, 2009, 09:09:09 PM: some articles on the net say that most fruits are negative calorie foods, than some say that they can get you fat or a "calorie is a calorie"

who is right? can you still add unwanted fat by eating a lot of apples?

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Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: Migs on July 05, 2009, 09:14:08 PM: they are not negative calorie foods. As a matter of fact there are no real negative calorie foods. Unless it's 100% cellulose.
Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: Earl1972 on July 05, 2009, 09:18:51 PM: this is why i'm so confused

some people say you can eat all the carrots and apples you want and lose weight

some say the opposite :-\

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Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: Migs on July 05, 2009, 09:24:04 PM: yeah there is a lot of crap out there.
Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: Earl1972 on July 05, 2009, 09:24:45 PM: what makes you right and them wrong?

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Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: Alex23 on July 05, 2009, 09:45:36 PM: NO. FRUITS ARE GOOD FOR YOU. EAT THEM IN THE MORNING>>>>

FFS. ::)
Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: Geo on July 05, 2009, 11:23:35 PM: fruit helps keep the ol train...........

just a rollin down the track................... ..........chooo chooooo
Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: Earl1972 on July 06, 2009, 09:13:32 AM: i could post several links saying they are negative calorie foods

i could also post several links saying they are not negative calorie foods :-\

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Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: tbombz on July 06, 2009, 09:23:00 AM: fr4uits are not negative calorie foods.

most vegetables are though.

you can eat as many pieces or broccoli, cucumber, lettuce, spinach, carrot, bellpepper, celery....as you want... in fact the more you eat the faster you will lose fat
Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: Alex23 on July 06, 2009, 10:12:17 AM: Quote from: tbombz on July 06, 2009, 09:23:00 AM
fr4uits are not negative calorie foods.
most vegetables are though.
you can eat as many pieces or broccoli, cucumber, lettuce, spinach, carrot, bellpepper, celery....as you want... in fact the more you eat the faster you will lose flab

X2.
Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: Earl1972 on July 06, 2009, 11:21:14 AM: Quote from: tbombz on July 06, 2009, 09:23:00 AM
fr4uits are not negative calorie foods.

most vegetables are though.

you can eat as many pieces or broccoli, cucumber, lettuce, spinach, carrot, bellpepper, celery....as you want... in fact the more you eat the faster you will lose fat

i don't think fruits are negative calories either, but why are all these sites saying they are?

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Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: tbombz on July 06, 2009, 11:41:56 AM: Quote from: Earl1972 on July 06, 2009, 11:21:14 AM
i don't think fruits are negative calories either, but why are all these sites saying they are?

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most people hear "fruits and vegetables" together s often... whenever anyone says anything about healthy etaing people always refer to "fruits and vegetables"...

i think most people have no idea about calorie content/carbohydrate content of fruits compared to vegetables...and they think because fruits and veggies are both about as 'healthy" as eachother...that they are the same for body composition as well..... people always always always confuse "healthy" with "good for body composition"...
Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: Migs on July 07, 2009, 08:37:40 AM: Quote from: Earl1972 on July 05, 2009, 09:24:45 PM
what makes you right and them wrong?

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You mean other than the fact that I have a degree in nutrition from an accredited university, and have over a year in chemistry and biochem under me from that, and the fact that I'm not pitching a new fangled diet...hmm let me think. There are blogs, etc out there that tout that you burn more calories and lose weight with these negative foods. Just as there is opposition. With that being said, take into consideration the fat lose claims. eat more veggies and lose fat. Well of course, veggies and fruits are fiber low-cal (mostly) fiber containing foods. This means that the more you eat, the more a sensation of fullness you get and by default the less of other foods (fats, some proteins) you eat, creating in essence a calorie reduction in your diet. Same goes for the high protein diets. You replace carbs with protein. Protein makes people feel fuller longer thus over the course of the day generally eat less calories than if they stuck with their high carb normal diet. In general, this is a basic premise.
Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: tbombz on July 07, 2009, 11:28:09 AM: Quote from: Migs on July 07, 2009, 08:37:40 AM
You mean other than the fact that I have a degree in nutrition from an accredited university, and have over a year in chemistry and biochem under me from that, and the fact that I'm not pitching a new fangled diet...hmm let me think. There are blogs, etc out there that tout that you burn more calories and lose weight with these negative foods. Just as there is opposition. With that being said, take into consideration the fat lose claims. eat more veggies and lose fat. Well of course, veggies and fruits are fiber low-cal (mostly) fiber containing foods. This means that the more you eat, the more a sensation of fullness you get and by default the less of other foods (fats, some proteins) you eat, creating in essence a calorie reduction in your diet. Same goes for the high protein diets. You replace carbs with protein. Protein makes people feel fuller longer thus over the course of the day generally eat less calories than if they stuck with their high carb normal diet. In general, this is a basic premise.

Quote from: Migs on July 05, 2009, 09:14:08 PM
they are not negative calorie foods. As a matter of fact there are no real negative calorie foods. Unless it's 100% cellulose.

vegetables are very very fiberous, as you mentioned. their very small amount of calories are intertwined deeply in natural fibers and water. the digestive process to release those calories is very thermogenic(comopared to oher foods), because the body has to get through all the fibers. the amount of calories that it takes to digest a vegetable like broccoli is more than the amount of actual calories that your body will get out of broccoli.

that alone makes them fat burning and negative calorie.

now there is absolutely no proof of that fact... no way to measure calories for digestion...

BUT

beyond that argument, there are soem facts

vegetables help balance ph levels. with veggies your metabolism will be better becase it wont be pulling calcium and glutamine from muscle and bone to balance the bodies ph. without a balanced intake of ph foods, your body will be somewhat catabolic, regardless of how much your eating..because it has to balance the ph on its onw, which means it has to release catabolic homrones t signal the release fo glutamine and calcium form muscle and bone... two things which are required for the bodies ph balancing process.

vegetables, even though they contain glucose, actually lower resting insulin levels. the fiber contained vegetables isnt digested, but the bacteria in the intestines feeds on the fiber and sends short chain fatty acids to the liver as a result of that feeding.. and when the liver recieves these SCFA's it in turn lowers its out put of glucose and lowers the release and levels of insulin.

fibers also have the possibility of potentially increasing insulin sensitivity, have the ability to clean up the digestive tract to promote better protein digestion, and..as you mentioned, help the mind feel well fed on a small amount of calories.
Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: suckmymuscle on July 07, 2009, 06:09:13 PM: Quote from: Earl1972 on July 05, 2009, 09:09:09 PM
some articles on the net say that most fruits are negative calorie foods, than some say that they can get you fat or a "calorie is a calorie"

Some fruits like grapes can be deleterious for someone who's dieting because they have a relatively high GI. That's what they mean by it being a negative. It doesen't mean fruits are unhealthy, as they are the closest thing to perfect foods you can get: they have fiber, vitamins/minerals, pure water, simple carbs that don't require digestion, and loads of natural antioxidants etc. What happens is just that some fruits even in small amounts can ruin a diet because they spike insulin.

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who is right? can you still add unwanted fat by eating a lot of apples?

Apples are mostly fructose and have little glucose. Frutose doesen't boost insulin very much and the fact that an apple has only around mostly 70 calories help. But yes, if you eat 20 apples at once some of it will be turned into fat. Like with all foods, calories matter. The other thing that matters is glycemic index. Eating 1,000 calories of carbs from otameal will get you less fat than eating same 1000 calories from candy, because the carbs from the oatmeal will get into your bloodlstream slower, meaning less calories at once and thus less bodyfat.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: Migs on July 07, 2009, 08:14:54 PM: Quote from: tbombz on July 07, 2009, 11:28:09 AM

that alone makes them fat burning and negative calorie.

now there is absolutely no proof of that fact... no way to measure calories for digestion...

exactly there is no proof. Also his question concerns fruits more so than veggies, so to keep this on track, the carb content in fruit makes it a "positive" calorie food. Also take into consideration the way inwhick the veg is cooked. Often times they are steamed which doesn't effect calorie count, but many times veg is eaten sauteed or cooked in some fashion. Many times that cooking process contains a fat. this automatically makes it a caloried positive food. Face it, food is food although increasing fruts and veg is is beneficial to your diet and health it adds up. I think the term negative calorie food was in part a spin off of diets claiming that you can eat as much veg as you want as a free food, due to the low cal high fiber ratio that would in essence satiate your hungar and make it easier to stay the course of the diet.
Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: Earl1972 on July 08, 2009, 01:30:54 PM: lesson learned

when it sounds too good to be true, it is :(

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Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: NoCalBbEr on July 08, 2009, 03:45:09 PM: fruits are never negative. you can use Juice Plus or supplement with fiber but not beats the real thing. just don't go nuts on eat fruits
Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: 24KT on July 09, 2009, 09:52:58 AM: Quote from: NoCalBbEr on July 08, 2009, 03:45:09 PM
fruits are never negative. you can use Juice Plus or supplement with fiber but not beats the real thing. just don't go nuts on eat fruits

While juice plus is ok, I believe Juice N' Fusion is a far superior product.
You don't have to swallow as many pills. Just one capsule is the equivalent of 5 servings of fruits & vegetable.
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Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: peroni on August 12, 2009, 10:05:43 AM: Quote from: Earl1972 on July 05, 2009, 09:18:51 PM
this is why i'm so confused

some people say you can eat all the carrots and apples you want and lose weight

some say the opposite :-\

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Celery is a negative calorie food. The amount of calories required for digestion cannot be consumed from celery alone unless you were to eat a truckload. Fruit has more sugars and therefore isn't a negative calorie food.
Title: Re: is fruit a negative calorie food?
Post by: grizlor on August 12, 2009, 11:06:25 PM: Yes fruits are good for you but they're most definately not a negative calorie food. They're full of sugar.

Healthy, yes, but they should be timed well if you're dieting for a show or something like that. Where as things like celery/broccoli etc can be eaten all day every day if you wanted.