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When he loses his failed health care bid, it will destroy his presidency
And, as well, the lib media will also suffer defeat, as their golden boy who can do no wrong, proves they were all wrong, too
no surprise
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maybe when his DMV / Hospital bill passes, the dildos that voted for him will be a little pissed.
http://www.freeourhealthcarenow.com/
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maybe when his DMV / Hospital bill passes, the dildos that voted for him will be a little pissed.
http://www.freeourhealthcarenow.com/
Do dildos have to be 18 to vote?
Those are some old dildos, Mr.
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Obama creeps me out.
The guy is so full of shit, it's blatantly obvious.
The best is when he's talking about a task, which seems unrealistic, then says, "It's going to be difficult, but we'll move forward."
haha, What a fucking bullshitter.
My first opinion of him was someone who was great at public speaking and charismatic. ::)
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Obama creeps me out.
The guy is so full of shit, it's blatantly obvious.
The best is when he's talking about a task, which seems unrealistic, then says, "It's going to be difficult, but we'll move forward."
haha, What a fucking bullshitter.
My first opinion of him was someone who was great at public speaking and charismatic. ::)
What does this have to do with steroid users or breast implants?
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i see someone is regurgitating mark levin's talking points, and even the snarky little name.......
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every president since Nixon has waged the healthcare battle and lost. No need to be a drama queen about it.
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health care reform is not about those without insurance.
there are many blogs out there that collect insurance horror stories. we'll start with a minor one:
Three years ago I was paying $1500/mo for the family's health care. My wife got ill one night at about 10PM with massive stomach pain that were so bad she couldn't stand straight and I had to carry her to the car. We went to the ER. We were in the ER for over 7 hours. In the end they determined that she did not have to be admitted. When I got the bill from the hospital I was shocked, but since I had health coverage I wasn't concerned. Then I got my notice that my provider didn't cover ER visits when you didn't get admitted. In other words, I was fully responsible for the costs.
The following year we had another emergency that required a late night ER visit. I refused to let my daughter get discharged from ER and demanded admittance. The cost was almost four times as much as she was admitted and them immediately released. But this time I didn't have to pay anything. :-)
See, once you know the rules, you can make sure that you play by them, and you can screw the health care provider who screwed you.
We have since changed providers and have a HMO/PPO plan at $18K/yr. As part of the HMO I recently took my daughter to her primary for be looked at for TMJ. They didn't have an x-ray machine and they sent me across the street to the hospital ER. Now I have a $25 co-pay with the primary, and since the primary referred me to the ER I assumed that I would have a $25 co-pay there. WRONG. The insurance company has stated that I have a $100 co-pay even though my primary referred me to the ER. I wonder how they will feel when we demand admission the next time.
We need the public option so that this kind of stupidity stops. Even when you have health care, the system is stacked to screw you as much as it can, and you get to pay THOUSANDS of dollars for this fine system of bullcrap.
JMI in The OC
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looks like he can't moonwalk his way into passing this one.
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looks like he can't moonwalk his way into passing this one.
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health care reform is not about those without insurance.
there are many blogs out there that collect insurance horror stories. we'll start with a minor one:
Three years ago I was paying $1500/mo for the family's health care. My wife got ill one night at about 10PM with massive stomach pain that were so bad she couldn't stand straight and I had to carry her to the car. We went to the ER. We were in the ER for over 7 hours. In the end they determined that she did not have to be admitted. When I got the bill from the hospital I was shocked, but since I had health coverage I wasn't concerned. Then I got my notice that my provider didn't cover ER visits when you didn't get admitted. In other words, I was fully responsible for the costs.
The following year we had another emergency that required a late night ER visit. I refused to let my daughter get discharged from ER and demanded admittance. The cost was almost four times as much as she was admitted and them immediately released. But this time I didn't have to pay anything. :-)
See, once you know the rules, you can make sure that you play by them, and you can screw the health care provider who screwed you.
We have since changed providers and have a HMO/PPO plan at $18K/yr. As part of the HMO I recently took my daughter to her primary for be looked at for TMJ. They didn't have an x-ray machine and they sent me across the street to the hospital ER. Now I have a $25 co-pay with the primary, and since the primary referred me to the ER I assumed that I would have a $25 co-pay there. WRONG. The insurance company has stated that I have a $100 co-pay even though my primary referred me to the ER. I wonder how they will feel when we demand admission the next time.
We need the public option so that this kind of stupidity stops. Even when you have health care, the system is stacked to screw you as much as it can, and you get to pay THOUSANDS of dollars for this fine system of bullcrap.
JMI in The OC
In France a social parasit who don't want to wait for a "rendez vous" a the doctor just go to the emergency unit in the nearest hospital for a free consultation, free prescription, free medication.
In France emergency unit are full of "cas sociaux", coming here because of a simple flu or constipation.
And because he got the "universal medical couverture" he got free dental care, free ...etc etc. Doctor point the fact that these people consume medicine like an other product, like going to the kfc.
France spend billion of dollar every year in people like that.
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France spend billion of dollar every year in people like that.
speaking of France, I'll just post links...
http://www.americablog.com/2009/07/my-whopping-32-emergency-room-visit-in.html
http://www.americablog.com/2009/07/afraid-of-rationing-health-care-blue.html
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speaking of France, I'll just post links...
http://www.americablog.com/2009/07/my-whopping-32-emergency-room-visit-in.html
http://www.americablog.com/2009/07/afraid-of-rationing-health-care-blue.html
It's an angelic vision of health care, if we were on a normal world.
That's ok but the guy only see one side of the problem.
i'm employed, and every month i paid a tax for health care.
i've been 3 time at doctor in 4 years.so the cost is 66 euros for 4 years...
but human nature don't care of angelism...
on the other side they're a full bunch of unemployed, illegal alien, abusing the system.
example: calling an ambulance to go to the emergency for a simple flu or just because "you don't fell good", the unit which is at 2 miles of your house. with the universal couverture allowed to social parasite you pay nothing (ambulance 150 euros+consultation 22 euros)
so it become a well without bottom.
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It's an angelic vision of health care, if we were on a normal world.
That's ok but the guy only see one side of the problem.
i'm employed, and every month i paid a tax for health care.
i've been 3 time at doctor in 4 years.so the cost is 66 euros for 4 years...
but human nature don't care of angelism...
on the other side they're a full bunch of unemployed, illegal alien, abusing the system.
example: calling an ambulance to go to the emergency for a simple flu or just because "you don't fell good", the unit which is at 2 miles of your house. with the universal couverture allowed to social parasite you pay nothing (ambulance 150 euros+consultation 22 euros)
so it become a well without bottom.
yeah those people should be foced to back peddle straight from where they came from.
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It is also that insurance outside of a group plan is hard if not impossible for some to get,...because of cost or a chronic condition.
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i'm employed, and every month i paid a tax for health care.
i've been 3 time at doctor in 4 years.so the cost is 66 euros for 4 years...
It's called insurance. People pool together their resources because no one knows who's going to get sick.
Why should I be paying taxes year in and year out for the fire department, when my house has never burned?
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yeah those people should be foced to back peddle straight from where they came from.
sick sad world, i'm a cop so i can see the background of society.
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It's called insurance. People pool together their resources because no one knows who's going to get sick.
Yes, if everybody work and had enough education to consider that it's a common utility, and don't abuse of the system.
but the reality is different.
People from left political party always think they're living in bisounours-land.
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Obama will ruin the health care system as much as Bush ruined the rest of the world's view on America's government and policy makers.
You can see right through this bullshit lies. He is a walking contradiction...saying one thing and doing another, or saying one thing and then later on saying another.
Carbon taxes bwahaha...
This guy repulses me.
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one more thing...
so the cost is 66 euros for 4 years...
(ambulance 150 euros+consultation 22 euros)
so it become a well without bottom.
American getbiggers are laughing at your outrage over your prices. Private insurance here can easily cost $500 a month. and some of those only pay 80% of the bill, even those that give you 'full coverage' have copayments of $100 a visit. But full coverage is only when you visit one of their doctors. If you don't have insurance, a trip to the ER can be $1000 to just walk in the door. A friend tore a tendon in his elbow, outpatient surgery was $15000.
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In France a social parasit who don't want to wait for a "rendez vous" a the doctor just go to the emergency unit in the nearest hospital for a free consultation, free prescription, free medication.
In France emergency unit are full of "cas sociaux", coming here because of a simple flu or constipation.
And because he got the "universal medical couverture" he got free dental care, free ...etc etc. Doctor point the fact that these people consume medicine like an other product, like going to the kfc.
France spend billion of dollar every year in people like that.
Same here in Ireland
My doctor check up before going back on gear cost me 55euro
A Black nigerian,an Irish worthless bastard and a Polish girl were in the queue in front of me,flashed their medical cards (government given cards entitling the user to free hospital,doctor visits and medication) and they didnt have to pay a cent
No wonder our country is fucked
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If God dwells inside us, like some people say, I sure hope He like enchiladas, because that's what He's getting!
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Same here in Ireland
My doctor check up before going back on gear cost me 55euro
A Black nigerian,an Irish worthless bastard and a Polish girl were in the queue in front of me,flashed their medical cards (government given cards entitling the user to free hospital,doctor visits and medication) and they didnt have to pay a cent
No wonder our country is fucked
THANKS.
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one more thing...
American getbiggers are laughing at your outrage over your prices. Private insurance here can easily cost $500 a month. and some of those only pay 80% of the bill, even those that give you 'full coverage' have copayments of $100 a visit. But full coverage is only when you visit one of their doctors. If you don't have insurance, a trip to the ER can be $1000 to just walk in the door. A friend tore a tendon in his elbow, outpatient surgery was $15000.
i'm not outrage about the price i paid.
for me taxe should pay teacher cop fireman, school, road bridges health system retirement etc etc etc.
not for crap like a 16 years old african mother with two children, or a lazy by nature white guy who don't want to work.
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There are a lot of countries that don't have anywhere near the wealth or resources of the U.S yet provide health care tor their citizens
*see the Movie SICKO by Michael Moore*... Why shouldn't we have it here?
What's really disturbing is how many people are happy that this health care bill may not get passed. Better to see a President you don't like fail then have millions of people get good health care I guess. Many of the forclosures and financial strains on families are the result of incredibly expensive medical cost.
The me, me, me /"I don't give a shit about ANYONE ELSE" mentality we have as a society will be our undoing. :-\
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When he loses his failed health care bid, it will destroy his presidency
And, as well, the lib media will also suffer defeat, as their golden boy who can do no wrong, proves they were all wrong, too
no surprise
LOL. C'mon MJ. This angry bigot persona is getting a little stale. ;)
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i see someone is regurgitating mark levin's talking points, and even the snarky little name.......
I am glad you listen too...and I will gladly credit him
BTW...it was Rush, not levin, fag
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It is also that insurance outside of a group plan is hard if not impossible for some to get,...because of cost or a chronic condition.
funny
I have a policy that accpets everyone with prexistings...but leftist media will not mention this
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one more thing...
American getbiggers are laughing at your outrage over your prices. Private insurance here can easily cost $500 a month. and some of those only pay 80% of the bill, even those that give you 'full coverage' have copayments of $100 a visit. But full coverage is only when you visit one of their doctors. If you don't have insurance, a trip to the ER can be $1000 to just walk in the door. A friend tore a tendon in his elbow, outpatient surgery was $15000.
your friend should have been insured
like me
I pay a grand a month
gladly
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There are a lot of countries that don't have anywhere near the wealth or resources of the U.S yet provide health care tor their citizens
*see the Movie SICKO by Michael Moore*... Why shouldn't we have it here?
What's really disturbing is how many people are happy that this health care bill may not get passed. Better to see a President you don't like fail then have millions of people get good health care I guess. Many of the forclosures and financial strains on families are the result of incredibly expensive medical cost.
The me, me, me /"I don't give a shit about ANYONE ELSE" mentality we have as a society will be our undoing. :-\
the health care problem is one constructed by others
it is not nearly as bad as it is said to be
This in US is finest health care in world
with MOTIVATED doctors
if you'd like
maybe we will payt them 50K a year across the board
and watch quality become like that of Namibia
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LOL. C'mon MJ. This angry bigot persona is getting a little stale. ;)
your interpretation of biogotry speaks volumes of how YOU think...since you always purvey yourself as some sort of quasi academic
I said naught of color
and I am not MJ
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your interpretation of biogotry speaks volumes of how YOU think...since you always purvey yourself as some sort of quasi academic
I said naught of color
and I am not MJ
good job stay in character mode :)
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your interpretation of biogotry speaks volumes of how YOU think...since you always purvey yourself as some sort of quasi academic
I said naught of color
and I am not MJ
You sure you wanna graft 'big fat liar' to your angry bigot persona!? :-\
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The real problem here in the US is how the health care industry GOUGES everyone they can no matter what, an individual, an insurance company even better cause they have deeper pockets. Something has to be done, those fucks are WAY overpaid, its a huge fucking racket. There needs to be some control of that and you can bet they will not do it themselves. This is not like buying some optional product or service you don't really need it.
From what I can tell Obama is not just gonna give the health care away but form a group plan, similar to what people who are employed can get. So they can get group type rates and make it much more affordable to everyone, especially the people down on their luck and like it or believe it or not there are many good, hard working people who cant get work right now. Not everybody has to participate
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if signed it doesnt go into effect until 4 years from then. you people worry too much
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You sure you wanna graft 'big fat liar' to your angry bigot persona!? :-\
keep avoiding the topic
altho you don't live in US
and are used to 70% taxes to pay for everything you get 'FREE'
time to stage your own Tea Party
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The real problem here in the US is how the health care industry GOUGES everyone they can no matter what, an individual, an insurance company even better cause they have deeper pockets. Something has to be done, those fucks are WAY overpaid, its a huge fucking racket. There needs to be some control of that and you can bet they will not do it themselves. This is not like buying some optional product or service you don't really need it.
I am usually in agreement with you. Not here. The VA pays a doctor $400.00 for hip replacement surgery. Less than a mechanic makes for fixing your engine.
The top ceo of a health insurance company (aetna) is worth ONE BILLION dollars. The insurance comapnies are nothing but cauldrens of fraudulence/b]
From what I can tell Obama is not just gonna give the health care away but form a group plan, similar to what people who are employed can get. So they can get group type rates and make it much more affordable to everyone, especially the people down on their luck and like it or believe it or not there are many good, hard working people who cant get work right now. Not everybody has to participate
None of that will happen. Health care is a political chip. No one here in US dies in the streets. Everyone has access NOW. That is truth
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keep avoiding the topic
altho you don't live in US
and are used to 70% taxes to pay for everything you get 'FREE'
time to stage your own Tea Party
Avoid what topic? Hatred of Blacks? Health Care implosion? Liberal Media? Your list is endless. Help me out, Moose.
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Avoid what topic? Hatred of Blacks? Health Care implosion? Liberal Media? Your list is endless. Help me out, Moose.
well, you are the english snob, then
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well, you are the english snob, then
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look under your avatar, handsome
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your friend should have been insured
like me
I pay a grand a month
gladly
some people only earn $1000 a month, total.
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look under your avatar, handsome
That's a play on a Debussey riff. I still have no idea where you're going. Has your thread/train of thought bogged down on the fields of Belgium?
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That's a play on a Debussey riff. I still have no idea where you're going. Has your thread/train of thought bogged down on the fields of Belgium?
never been out of USA
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never been out of USA
That's ok. Neither had Bush Jr. before he took office. His subsequent travels didn't do much to widen his perspective(s). ;D
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That's ok. Neither had Bush Jr. before he took office. His subsequent travels didn't do much to widen his perspective(s). ;D
I think the guy you should worry about now has an islamic middle name
or would you like to go on and Blame Henry the eighth for something?
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8 years of that fuckin retard Bush and 4 of Obama, good Lord save the USA!!
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When he loses his failed health care bid, it will destroy his presidency
And, as well, the lib media will also suffer defeat, as their golden boy who can do no wrong, proves they were all wrong, too
no surprise
THAT FUCKING PISSES ME OFF, LAX!
THESE PIECES OF SHIT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING ON FIXING HEALTHCARE BUT INSTEAD THEY PLAY THEIR COWARD POLITICAL BITCH GAMES
THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO A GODDAMN JOB
meltdown . . . and I don't even live in the US
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The healthcare industry needs to rid itself of insurance companies. Why have an insurance company standing between you and your doctor taking a huge part of the money for themselves? Healthcare, rather funded by the government, employer, or individual needs to start the clean-up by eliminating insurance.
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all the medicines on the market cost pennies ot produce, yet alot of them cost thousands of dollars. i understand R&D is costly but come on...
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I think the guy you should worry about now has an islamic middle name
or would you like to go on and Blame Henry the eighth for something?
*Adds Islamaphobia to MJ's 'hate' list*
Blame Henry VIII for something!? Man, you make no sense these days, Moose. Ok. I'll blame him for inspiring that Herman's Hermits song. Good enough for ya?
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*Adds Islamaphobia to MJ's 'hate' list*
Blame Henry VIII for something!? Man, you make no sense these days, Moose. Ok. I'll blame him for inspiring that Herman's Hermits song. Good enough for ya?
Hmmm
either I am not making sense
or you are not as smart and witty as I thought you were
kinda easy stuff to figger out, chimpy mew
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THAT FUCKING PISSES ME OFF, LAX!
THESE PIECES OF SHIT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING ON FIXING HEALTHCARE BUT INSTEAD THEY PLAY THEIR COWARD POLITICAL BITCH GAMES
THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO A GODDAMN JOB
meltdown . . . and I don't even live in the US
agreed
ultimately, and, as always, everything will be fine
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some people only earn $1000 a month, total.
and whose fault is that?
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every president since Nixon has waged the healthcare battle and lost. No need to be a drama queen about it.
well, 240, c'mon.
If he is simply doing the same as every other before him
then
I guess his promise of 'Change'
was one where you'd be left with sp,e pennies in your pocket
no change, same old shit
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and whose fault is that?
whose fault is it that it costs $12,000 per year for health insurance in a country as cilivized as ours?
Greedy insurance companies, that's who. You worked in the med field dude, you know it shouldn't cost $12,000 a year for healthy people to carry coverage.
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Why not....rising R@D, rising medical equipment costs, manufacturing cost, labor, mal practice insurance.
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whose fault is it that it costs $12,000 per year for health insurance in a country as cilivized as ours?
Greedy insurance companies, that's who. You worked in the med field dude, you know it shouldn't cost $12,000 a year for healthy people to carry coverage.
And a person gets sick how much does that cost if they get cancer?
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And a person gets sick how much does that cost if they get cancer?
it costs more.
However - prices have gone up a great deal in the last decade.
Has cancer / old age gone up equally during that decade?
Also, insurance companies' profits are very high these last few years.
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[b No one here in US dies in the streets. Everyone has access NOW. That is truth[/b]
You sure about that? Not talking about emergency medical care and you know it. Talking about Health care.
It's not the insurance companies, its the whole fucking health care industry, biggest racket going and the sad part it their greed is costing people their health and lives. Those greedy fucks love to see you sick and keep you sick, its how the make their big money. Health care has become sort of a monopoly with everyone at their mercy. Someone needs to take those pompous fools down a notch or two.
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You sure about that? Not talking about emergency medical care and you know it. Talking about Health care.
It's not the insurance companies, its the whole fucking health care industry, biggest racket going and the sad part it their greed is costing people their health and lives. Those greedy fucks love to see you sick and keep you sick, its how the make their big money. Health care has become sort of a monopoly with everyone at their mercy. Someone needs to take those pompous fools down a notch or two.
That may be the case, but putting in the hands of other pompous fools isn't going to be a good solution.
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That may be the case, but putting in the hands of other pompous fools isn't going to be a good solution.
You know this guy is going to get better care than all of us.
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You see thats the problem, the government officials make sure they have the best of everything, then expect the rest of America to just take what they give us.
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whose fault is it that it costs $12,000 per year for health insurance in a country as cilivized as ours?
the way I look at it, it is NOBODy's FAULT....blaming is for politicians. And I do not mind paying. I have a ghreat policy, and they will never, ever get the $ back they have spent on me. I am a responsible citizen.
Greedy insurance companies, that's who. You worked in the med field dude, you know it shouldn't cost $12,000 a year for healthy people to carry coverage.
tBelieve me, I would like it to be cheaper. You get what you pay for, however...I see only IVY league docs...get shit done the same day. I am currently not working. What is everyone else's excuse?
I agree that insurance cos are the worst
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Why not....rising R@D, rising medical equipment costs, manufacturing cost, labor, mal practice insurance.
I know of surgeons who owe 300K in student loans.
But, they became the best on the plant at what they do.
You bet your ass it is gonna cost you...and it should.
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You sure about that? Not talking about emergency medical care and you know it. Talking about Health care.
It's not the insurance companies, its the whole fucking health care industry, biggest racket going and the sad part it their greed is costing people their health and lives. Those greedy fucks love to see you sick and keep you sick, its how the make their big money. Health care has become sort of a monopoly with everyone at their mercy. Someone needs to take those pompous fools down a notch or two.
would you agree here that people DO NOT take care of their health?
Carton of Luckies per week.
sic pack every nite
Panoply of fatty fast food restaurants frequented regularly
So, every one likes to bitch about health care bla bla bla....but lemme tell ya....people (reg folks) do not give a flying fuck about their health here.
Oh, they care about all the fucking rights they have, tho.
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Not for nothing- And I mean this because I think health insurance is outrageous in this country; Either its an arm and a leg so the well off can afford it, or all the dirt poor scumbags get free care-- the middle class get absolute shit...... However, look at some of the law suits that have surfaced lately. The amount of money paid out in settlements for class action law suits, medical malpractice and a million other causes of action is really mind boggling. While its true these companies make money hand over fist, they pay out a shitload of money in legal fees, settlements, malpractice insurance premiums and FRAUD! Thats right- FRAUD.... The amount of insurance fraud in this country alone justifies some of the insanely high premiums these companies charge. Once you add in the aforementioned things plus actual research and development, salaries, taxes, marketing and everything else that comes with their profession, and we are talking billions and billions of dollars per year.
I still think they charge too much- but if there was one industry that I can understand charging extra, its health insurance.
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maybe this will clear a few things up...
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Not for nothing- And I mean this because I think health insurance is outrageous in this country; Either its an arm and a leg so the well off can afford it, or all the dirt poor scumbags get free care-- the middle class get absolute shit...... However, look at some of the law suits that have surfaced lately. The amount of money paid out in settlements for class action law suits, medical malpractice and a million other causes of action is really mind boggling. While its true these companies make money hand over fist, they pay out a shitload of money in legal fees, settlements, malpractice insurance premiums and FRAUD! Thats right- FRAUD.... The amount of insurance fraud in this country alone justifies some of the insanely high premiums these companies charge. Once you add in the aforementioned things plus actual research and development, salaries, taxes, marketing and everything else that comes with their profession, and we are talking billions and billions of dollars per year.
I still think they charge too much- but if there was one industry that I can understand charging extra, its health insurance.
health insurance companies are more fraudulent than all docs put together
not even in same spectrum
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health insurance companies are more fraudulent than all docs put together
not even in same spectrum
QFT
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health insurance companies are more fraudulent than all docs put together
not even in same spectrum
Hysterical. They are all corrupt due to the third party payer dynamic.
Docs, pharmacists, medical bills, carriers, the govt etc.
the put all the blame on the insurance companies is just another libeal lie and propoganda piece.
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Hysterical. They are all corrupt due to the third party payer dynamic.
Docs, pharmacists, medical bills, carriers, the govt etc.
the put all the blame on the insurance companies is just another libeal lie and propoganda piece.
what do female organs have to do with this?
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I would be in favor of replacing insurance companies with "government insurance". In other words, everyone has a $2,500 deductible for the year. After $2,500, all expenses are covered by the government. No burden on employers, no insurance companies dipping into the money, and less staff needed to process paperwork at the doctor's office. This could be paid for with a federal health tax and could even offer tax rebates for those who never go to the doctor.