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Can anyone still defend this mess, at this point?
Perhaps feeling guilty for referring to ‘birthers’ as ‘cranks’ recently, Ann Coulter made the absurd case to Larry King that police don’t stop enough African-Americans.
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COULTER: In fact, I have been — at least in the initial crankiness by Professor Gates, I’ve been somewhat of a defender of his, in as much as I’m someone who travels a lot. I get a lot of — I get cranky, too, especially after a long trip from China.
What can’t be defended, I think, is the next 48 hours, the next week, when he could calm down and think, oh boy, I over-reacted. Wish I hadn’t done that. But I think that is a problem. Both aggrieved minorities and aggrieved females are told to take every slight, interpret everything as it’s because your black. It’s because you’re a woman. I don’t think that’s good for blacks or females. I don’t think it’s good for the rest of the country.
And there is one thing I’d like to say about the studies on racial profiling, and even the Bush administration coming out with them. The Bush administration itself suppressed a study that disproved eight billion racial profiling studies about the New Jersey State Troopers. There was a scientific study setting up cameras of people speeding. It turns out New Jersey State Troopers, by scientific evidence that was — the Bush administration kept rejecting and rejecting — were stopping, if anything, not enough blacks.
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You can't accuse these 3 cops of not stopping a black man, ...they stopped him... with 8 bullets to the back! :-\
If you're a black man, ...don't carry a cell phone in your hand, hook it onto your belt and use a bluetooth! :o
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So jag what percentage of people in jail are black
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You can't accuse these 3 cops of not stopping a black man, ...they stopped him... with 8 bullets to the back! :-\
If you're a black man, ...don't carry a cell phone in your hand, hook it onto your belt and use a bluetooth! :o
What is this video? I don't understand. Couldn't get audio on it.
About halfway through, the black guy extends the phone, with both hands, and points it. Looks a lot like a gun to me, but obviously it's not.
Why would you want the police to think that you have a gun? And, failing that, why would you point a cell phone at all if that was not your goal?
I don't understand this.
I'm not a cop but I am in Afghanistan right now. If someone points anything at me, cellphone or gun, they're getting shot. I'm not going home in a box. I'm sure the police are in these same situations all the time.
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Also, and maybe most importantly, what does race have to do with threatening police officers like that?
Do you think that they let white people point guns at them or what?
I used to have a lot more respect for your positions. I'm beginning to think that you're just a racist now.
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Also, and maybe most importantly, what does race have to do with threatening police officers like that?
Do you think that they let white people point guns at them or what?
I used to have a lot more respect for your positions. I'm beginning to think that you're just a racist now.
I have to agree as well. This video does nothing to support her position.
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You can't accuse these 3 cops of not stopping a black man, ...they stopped him... with 8 bullets to the back! :-\
If you're a black man, ...don't carry a cell phone in your hand, hook it onto your belt and use a bluetooth! :o
It looked like a gun on the video. Dude is using something to immitate a gun and aim it at the cops. Fucking stupid, that's his own fault. He got what he wanted. Good call by the cops and I don't often say that.
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Jag, there's better videos to make your point. That ain't it.
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YOUR MISSING THE PINT,,,cops are not suppose do anything when smoeone points something at them,,,in fact freeze was suppose to on the cop itself not the suspect cops have protecitve armor on their bodies they protect citizen even if citizen is shooting them only missing is face sheidl
What is this video? I don't understand. Couldn't get audio on it.
About halfway through, the black guy extends the phone, with both hands, and points it. Looks a lot like a gun to me, but obviously it's not.
Why would you want the police to think that you have a gun? And, failing that, why would you point a cell phone at all if that was not your goal?
I don't understand this.
I'm not a cop but I am in Afghanistan right now. If someone points anything at me, cellphone or gun, they're getting shot. I'm not going home in a box. I'm sure the police are in these same situations all the time.
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Jag, there's better videos to make your point. That ain't it.
True, but uh, they knew he had no gun, otherwise they woudn't have let him go walking around like that...I tws clear as day, that wasn't a gun...And since there is no audio, he could have been pointing and saying something, to make is point...But, his ass should have ut his hands over his head and lie down. but criminals are criminals, because they don't think like the rest of us.
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True, but uh, they knew he had no gun, otherwise they woudn't have let him go walking around like that...I tws clear as day, that wasn't a gun...And since there is no audio, he could have been pointing and saying something, to make is point...But, his ass should have ut his hands over his head and lie down. but criminals are criminals, because they don't think like the rest of us.
All I know is that he gave them every reason to do that. That was his choice. I'm white and I also know that if I pointed a cell phone or whatever at cops like it were a hand gun, I would expect to be shot. I mean, I wouldn't be laying there on the ground taking my last breaths shocked that they fired. Also it does not look like he's just pointing at the cop. He enters the scene with both hands on the cell phone pointing it like it's a gun, then walks away, back to the cops, then spins around and points it again and the shots go. Dude got what he wanted.
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YOUR MISSING THE PINT,,,cops are not suppose do anything when smoeone points something at them,,,in fact freeze was suppose to on the cop itself not the suspect cops have protecitve armor on their bodies they protect citizen even if citizen is shooting them only missing is face sheidl
??? wtf?
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All I know is that he gave them every reason to do that. That was his choice. I'm white and I also know that if I pointed a cell phone or whatever at cops like it were a hand gun, I would expect to be shot. I mean, I wouldn't be laying there on the ground taking my last breaths shocked that they fired. Also it does not look like he's just pointing at the cop. He enters the scene with both hands on the cell phone pointing it like it's a gun, then walks away, back to the cops, then spins around and points it again and the shots go. Dude got what he wanted.
Taser, beanbag gun..."Drop the effing weapon or I'll shoot", but they let him walk around. I'm not gonna let someone with a gun walk around. I think dude is (or was) on drugs. But I think that there needs to be better training for officers in many states and counties on dealing with this situations. In any regards, I don't feel sorry for the dude.
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Taser, beanbag gun..."Drop the effing weapon or I'll shoot", but they let him walk around. I'm not gonna let someone with a gun walk around. I think dude is (or was) on drugs. But I think that there needs to be better training for officers in many states and counties on dealing with this situations. In any regards, I don't feel sorry for the dude.
Man, you are fukking tough. I guess when you see a guy with a gun you just charge and tackle him. No fear at all.
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In a combat situation, because thats what it is...nobody anywhere teaches u to shoot to wound or shoot in the air or do anything other then drop the threat. U don't use a teaser or beanbag gun on an armed or in this case possibly armed subject when they're pointing a weapon at a cop.
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True, but uh, they knew he had no gun, otherwise they woudn't have let him go walking around like that...I tws clear as day, that wasn't a gun...And since there is no audio, he could have been pointing and saying something, to make is point...But, his ass should have ut his hands over his head and lie down. but criminals are criminals, because they don't think like the rest of us.
What makes you think he was a criminal? Because he got shot in the back 8 times by police? What was his crime?
The man is was Marquise Hudspeth, and his "crime", ...was going through a red light while talking on his phone. He'd lost his job a month earlier, and his wife had just kicked him out of the house due to his involvement with another woman. He was upset, distraught, and speaking with his wife on the phone at the time, crying for her to take him back, when got distracted and went through a red light. After pulling into the Circle K convenience store parking lot, he was confronted by police.
The officers blasted away, firing 15 bullets at Hudspeth's back in just a few seconds. Eight of the bullets found their target, killing Hudspeth. Critics of this shooting find fault with the police. To critics of the department, the fact that police fired only at Hudspeth's back highlights the department's most obvious failure.
"None (of the bullets) entered this man's body from the front. He was walking away," said state Rep. Ernest Baylor, D-Shreveport, who is black, as he watched the video from one of his offices not far from the site of the shooting.
Baylor acknowledged that Hudspeth acted in an "unusual" manner for someone surrounded by armed police officers, citing the way he brandished his cell phone. But Baylor maintains that the officers overreacted. "There could have been something used besides deadly force," he said.
According to Wade Schindler, criminal justice expert and adjunct professor at Tulance University, if a suspect is walking away from police officers, Louisiana state law says they cannot shoot.
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Because human beings don't have the physical ability to turn around right. Cops are trained to fire quickly, many departments only allow 9mm. Cops are trained to empty the entire 15 rnd clip in that case. These guys aren't Delta or swat, they fire untile the subject is down.
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Because human beings don't have the physical ability to turn around right. Cops are trained to fire quickly, many departments only allow 9mm. Cops are trained to empty the entire 15 rnd clip in that case. These guys aren't Delta or swat, they fire untile the subject is down.
that's the only wya to do it. Once you perceive this person to be an armed threat to you or someone else, you fire until the threat ends.
If he's still leaning on the wall with a gun in his hands with 15 rounds in him, you re-load and fire more.
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Also, and maybe most importantly, what does race have to do with threatening police officers like that?
Do you think that they let white people point guns at them or what?
I used to have a lot more respect for your positions. I'm beginning to think that you're just a racist now.
"Do you think that they let white people point guns at them or what?"
Great point!
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Come on 3...cops only arrest Blacks and Hispanics..whites never use guns.
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Come on 3...cops only arrest Blacks and Hispanics..whites never use guns.
I did about an hour ago. I got my girl finally to get about 5" grouping with the GSG 5 at 25 yards. Its taking time, but she is a work in progress.
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Great....does urs have a stock etc..how did u set it up. U can get all the cool mods like the real MP-5 etc
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Great....does urs have a stock etc..how did u set it up. U can get all the cool mods like the real MP-5 etc
All I have on it is a laser scope sort of like a cheap version if the Trijicon Scope.
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Jaguar is mentally ill.
She likely has not been able to receive professional help because treatment of her disability in Canada is "elective" and as a result she has been on a 7 year waiting list to see the only psychiatrist in Canada.
:'(
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I did about an hour ago. I got my girl finally to get about 5" grouping with the GSG 5 at 25 yards. Its taking time, but she is a work in progress.
my pop has one of those, thing is a blast to shoot man
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What makes you think he was a criminal? Because he got shot in the back 8 times by police? What was his crime?
The man is was Marquise Hudspeth, and his "crime", ...was going through a red light while talking on his phone. He'd lost his job a month earlier, and his wife had just kicked him out of the house due to his involvement with another woman. He was upset, distraught, and speaking with his wife on the phone at the time, crying for her to take him back, when got distracted and went through a red light. After pulling into the Circle K convenience store parking lot, he was confronted by police.
The officers blasted away, firing 15 bullets at Hudspeth's back in just a few seconds. Eight of the bullets found their target, killing Hudspeth. Critics of this shooting find fault with the police. To critics of the department, the fact that police fired only at Hudspeth's back highlights the department's most obvious failure.
"None (of the bullets) entered this man's body from the front. He was walking away," said state Rep. Ernest Baylor, D-Shreveport, who is black, as he watched the video from one of his offices not far from the site of the shooting.
Baylor acknowledged that Hudspeth acted in an "unusual" manner for someone surrounded by armed police officers, citing the way he brandished his cell phone. But Baylor maintains that the officers overreacted. "There could have been something used besides deadly force," he said.
According to Wade Schindler, criminal justice expert and adjunct professor at Tulance University, if a suspect is walking away from police officers, Louisiana state law says they cannot shoot.
Well, I'm going by my job now, and if he did not comply with Officer in the state of MD, if the officer said you are under arrest, there is probable cause to charge him with resist/interfer w/arrest, fail to obey....
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Well, I'm going by my job now, and if he did not comply with Officer in the state of MD, if the officer said you are under arrest, there is probable cause to charge him with resist/interfer w/arrest, fail to obey....
...ahhh, but is there probable cause to wildly fire 15 shots at his back? :-\
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...ahhh, but is there probable cause to wildly fire 15 shots at his back? :-\
jag there was nothing wildly about that it was controlled firing...he was obviously resisting regardless of what had happend in his life which the cops probably didnt know about so it is irrelevant to their view of the situation. Your bias is so obvious that it comes through in your wording and views jag like others have said there are plenty of other situations to prove your point you holding this up and touting as such only serves to prove you bias...
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jag there was nothing wildly about that it was controlled firing...he was obviously resisting regardless of what had happend in his life which the cops probably didnt know about so it is irrelevant to their view of the situation. Your bias is so obvious that it comes through in your wording and views jag like others have said there are plenty of other situations to prove your point you holding this up and touting as such only serves to prove you bias...
Nothing wildly about it? :-\ Are you for real?
Dude, in that particular instance, they fired 15 shots, ...but only 8 of them connected.
From that close a range, one would have expected more than just half the shots to connect.
I don't know about you, but I have a hard time with 15 shots fired into someone's back ...for blowing a red light.
If that's a bias, I'll freely admit it. I have a bias against stupid cops who make stupid decisions that cost peoples lives.
I don't give a shit if he walks around with his pants hanging off his ass.
He needs an appt. with Queer eye for the straight guy, ...not 8 bullets embedded into his back.
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Nothing wildly about it? :-\ Are you for real?
Dude, in that particular instance, they fired 15 shots, ...but only 8 of them connected.
From that close a range, one would have expected more than just half the shots to connect.
I don't know about you, but I have a hard time with 15 shots fired into someone's back ...for blowing a red light.
If that's a bias, I'll freely admit it. I have a bias against stupid cops who make stupid decisions that cost peoples lives.
I don't give a shit if he walks around with his pants hanging off his ass.
He needs an appt. with Queer eye for the straight guy, ...not 8 bullets embedded into his back.
So now its the police officers aim that your upset with? sorry jag im sure if it were you, you would have put all 15 within a dime size group on him. While walking aiming at a moving target and rapid firing that was pretty good jag, again nothing wild about it.
OMFG did the fact that he got out of his car and resist restraint mean nothing to you? how about the fact that as he was walking away from the police where they cant see his hands he turns around and obviously points something at the 2nd cop? i guess you think the police should wait to get shot at before they return fire huh?
Look the incident was truely unfortunate I understand that but dont put the blame soley on the police officers the jack ass played a huge role in this situation as well.
Again there are plenty of other situations out there to prove your point this one is not the best, that guy got out of his vehicle while being pulled over, a big no no, resisted restraint from the police officer, another big no no, walked away with his hands where the police could not see them, a big no no and pointed something directly at another officer...what do you expect them to do get shot first and then return fire?
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Jaguar is mentally ill.
She likely has not been able to receive professional help because treatment of her disability in Canada is "elective" and as a result she has been on a 7 year waiting list to see the only psychiatrist in Canada.
:'(
what's happened to you george???..you used to be a reasonable guy..you're losing it big time
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So now its the police officers aim that your upset with? sorry jag im sure if it were you, you would have put all 15 within a dime size group on him. While walking aiming at a moving target and rapid firing that was pretty good jag, again nothing wild about it.
OMFG did the fact that he got out of his car and resist restraint mean nothing to you? how about the fact that as he was walking away from the police where they cant see his hands he turns around and obviously points something at the 2nd cop? i guess you think the police should wait to get shot at before they return fire huh?
::) It's only considered "return fire" when you've been fired upon in the first place?
So ya, ...police should wait to be fired at before they "return fire", ...otherwise, it's not return fire, ...it's open fire.
Look the incident was truely unfortunate I understand that but dont put the blame soley on the police officers the jack ass played a huge role in this situation as well.
Again there are plenty of other situations out there to prove your point this one is not the best, that guy got out of his vehicle while being pulled over, a big no no, resisted restraint from the police officer, another big no no, walked away with his hands where the police could not see them, a big no no and pointed something directly at another officer...what do you expect them to do get shot first and then return fire?
Now you think the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strike applies to police & citizens too? Your country is turning into a fascist gestapo police state right in front of your eyes, ...and you're still sucking storm trooper cock! Unbelievable! ::)
Running a red light should not result in 8 bullets to the back. Now go wipe your chin. >:(
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::) It's only considered "return fire" when you've been fired upon in the first place?
So ya, ...police should wait to be fired at before they "return fire", ...otherwise, it's not return fire, ...it's open fire.
Now you think the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strike applies to police & citizens too? Your country is turning into a fascist gestapo police state right in front of your eyes, ...and you're still sucking storm trooper cock! Unbelievable! ::)
Running a red light should not result in 8 bullets to the back. Now go wipe your chin. >:(
you refuse to realize that jackass didnt simply run a red light, first admit that he refused restraint. walked away from a police officer concealing his hands and pointed something at one, can you admit those?
You also dont get out of your car when being pulled over unless asked to, you think the cops asked him to get out push one of them away walk away and then point something at one of them? noooo that was all that retards idea and when you point a gun at a cop they will open fire they will not wait for you to shoot first. It has nothing to do with bush pull the obama/liberal stick out off your ass its made its way to your brain...
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you refuse to realize that jackass didnt simply run a red light, first admit that he refused restraint. walked away from a police officer concealing his hands and pointed something at one, can you admit those?
You also dont get out of your car when being pulled over unless asked to, you think the cops asked him to get out push one of them away walk away and then point something at one of them? noooo that was all that retards idea and when you point a gun at a cop they will open fire they will not wait for you to shoot first. It has nothing to do with bush pull the obama/liberal stick out off your ass its made its way to your brain...
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That's quite the mouthful. Didn't your momma teach you not to talk with your mouth full? Go wipe your chin!
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That's quite the mouthful. Didn't your momma teach you not to talk with your mouth full? Go wipe your chin!
you talk of sucking cocks and im the one with the mouth? ;) sure I guess
so do you admit that the man did all those things and it wasnt a simple case of running a red light?
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you talk of sucking cocks and im the one with the mouth? ;) sure I guess
so do you admit that the man did all those things and it wasnt a simple case of running a red light?
None of those things warranted 15 shots to the back. Too much adrenaline clouds the judgement.
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None of those things warranted 15 shots to the back. Too much adrenaline clouds the judgement.
if the police officer thought he was going to shoot his partner then he did what he thought he needed to do to stop that.
Again he got out of his car which youre not supposed to do, he pushed a cop away no brainer, he walked away from a cop with his hands out of sight a no brainer and then proceeded to point something at a police officer after his hands where out of sight while walking away...trust jag like I said this incident was truely unfortunate but that cop did what he thought he needed to do to protect another police officer. The man who got shot played a huge role in that incident and you know this.
Again there are plenty of other examples out there to prove your point this one isnt one of them and you touting this as proof only serves to show your bias.
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if the police officer thought he was going to shoot his partner then he did what he thought he needed to do to stop that.
Again he got out of his car which youre not supposed to do, he pushed a cop away no brainer, he walked away from a cop with his hands out of sight a no brainer and then proceeded to point something at a police officer after his hands where out of sight while walking away...trust jag like I said this incident was truely unfortunate but that cop did what he thought he needed to do to protect another police officer. The man who got shot played a huge role in that incident and you know this.
Again there are plenty of other examples out there to prove your point this one isnt one of them and you touting this as proof only serves to show your bias.
Do you think the guy deserved to die here? Yes or No?
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one of the rare occasions, I agree with tony ;D
I will agree that cops do need better training. There's no doubt about that. There are countless, WTF oh no they didn't, vids of cops gone wild on the net. inexcusable.
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Do you think the guy deserved to die here? Yes or No?
whether he deserved to die and whether his shooting was justifiable are two different things.
No he didnt deserve to die
was his shooting justifiable by the police officer yes it was.
thats what makes it truely unfortunate, the majority of cops would do the same thing I would think if you think your partner is having a gun pointed at him youre going to nuetralize that threat just like the one officer did was it a mistake of course did the suspect play a huge role in his death yes he certainly did.
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one of the rare occations, I agree with tony ;D
hahahah you know these occasions have been happening more and more lately, I think your coming over to the dark side... ;D
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whether he deserved to die and whether his shooting was justifiable are two different things.
No he didnt deserve to die
was his shooting justifiable by the police officer yes it was.
thats what makes it truely unfortunate, the majority of cops would do the same thing I would think if you think your partner is having a gun pointed at him youre going to nuetralize that threat just like the one officer did was it a mistake of course did the suspect play a huge role in his death yes he certainly did.
looked like he had a deathwish to me.
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hahahah you know these occasions have been happening more and more lately, I think your coming over to the dark side... ;D
Do I get to keep my screen name or do I have to change it :D
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Do I get to keep my screen name or do I have to change it :D
we can do the prince thing you know "the poster formerly known as hugo chavez" and then well come up with a new one after a few months ;D
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we can do the prince thing you know "the poster formerly known as hugo chavez" and then well come up with a new one after a few months ;D
Sorry, it's going to take more than being pissed at Obama and dems for me to become a righty. You'll have to settle for the occasional agreement ;D
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Sorry, it's going to take more than being pissed at Obama and dems for me to become a righty. You'll have to settle for the occasional agreement ;D
LOL for now..... ;D
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whether he deserved to die and whether his shooting was justifiable are two different things.
No he didnt deserve to die
was his shooting justifiable by the police officer yes it was.
thats what makes it truely unfortunate, the majority of cops would do the same thing I would think if you think your partner is having a gun pointed at him youre going to nuetralize that threat just like the one officer did was it a mistake of course did the suspect play a huge role in his death yes he certainly did.
Finally we are in agreement. The cop made a mistake. A HUGE one that cost an innocent man his life.
The only saving grace to be found in that video is the fact that the one officer ducked.
However, he was not the one who opened fire. Too much adrenaline clouds the judgement.
I'm not arguing this guy was singled out for abuse, ...simply that this was one guy who police didn't fail to stop. :'(
Personally, I would've preferred they send him a summons in the mail, that's far more preferable than this outcome.
As an aside though, it would be interesting to conduct a social experient where people got to be a cop for a day.
Not a real cop who goes out on patrol, ...just one who dons the uniform and utility belt. I think it would be quite revealing to see the immediate transformation that occurs. As a cop, I'd be embarrassed as heck to witness that, and to understand society's true perception of cops, as they mimick them in every way.
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Finally we are in agreement. The cop made a mistake. A HUGE one that cost an innocent man his life.
The only saving grace to be found in that video is the fact that the one officer ducked.
However, he was not the one who opened fire. Too much adrenaline clouds the judgement.
I'm not arguing this guy was singled out for abuse, ...simply that this was one guy who police didn't fail to stop. :'(
Personally, I would've preferred they send him a summons in the mail, that's far more preferable than this outcome.
As an aside though, it would be interesting to conduct a social experient where people got to be a cop for a day.
Not a real cop who goes out on patrol, ...just one who dons the uniform and utility belt. I think it would be quite revealing to see the immediate transformation that occurs. As a cop, I'd be embarrassed as heck to witness that, and to understand society's true perception of cops, as they mimick them in every way.
darling cops make mistakes on a daily basis they are human. The man shouldnt have done any of those things and did bring that outcome on himself. You think the police would have opened fire if the guy had stayed in his car and obeyed them?
You dont condemn one party and alleviate the guilt of the other party, the man in this instance was far more at fault for the outcome of this incident then the police officers.
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It doesn't matter that it was only a cell phone or whatever, if he pointed it like a gun, it's a good shoot on the cops part. I don't see the mistake being on the cops in this case. The mistake is clearly on him, not the cops.
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It doesn't matter that it was only a cell phone or whatever, if he pointed it like a gun, it's a good shoot on the cops part. I don't see the mistake being on the cops in this case. The mistake is clearly on him, not the cops.
The only reason I say it was a mistake was b/c it wasnt a gun but i totally agree they didnt make a mistake in procedure or judgement I would say.
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Finally we are in agreement. The cop made a mistake. A HUGE one that cost an innocent man his life.
The only saving grace to be found in that video is the fact that the one officer ducked.
However, he was not the one who opened fire. Too much adrenaline clouds the judgement.
I'm not arguing this guy was singled out for abuse, ...simply that this was one guy who police didn't fail to stop. :'(
Personally, I would've preferred they send him a summons in the mail, that's far more preferable than this outcome.
As an aside though, it would be interesting to conduct a social experient where people got to be a cop for a day.
Not a real cop who goes out on patrol, ...just one who dons the uniform and utility belt. I think it would be quite revealing to see the immediate transformation that occurs. As a cop, I'd be embarrassed as heck to witness that, and to understand society's true perception of cops, as they mimick them in every way.
The folks on here are giving you evidence that the shooting was not a mistake under the circumstance that was shown in the video. Why do you insists that it was? Did the man deserve to die? Of course not, but in the frame of reference of the situation which we all witnessed, the cops had every right to open fire.
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The folks on here are giving you evidence that the shooting was not a mistake under the circumstance that was shown in the video. Why do you insists that it was? Did the man deserve to die? Of course not, but in the frame of reference of the situation which we all witnessed, the cops had every right to open fire.
An understandable mistake, is still a mistake. What part of that don't YOU get?
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An understandable mistake, is still a mistake. What part of that don't YOU get?
Seriously, jag, hindsight is 20/20, like many have pointed out. This is a terrible example of police messing up, there are plenty of other incidents.
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An understandable mistake, is still a mistake. What part of that don't YOU get?
Who, besides you, is calling the shooting an understandable mistake? It seems almost everyone is justifying the shooting.
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I would have liked to see the cops use a taser in that situation as well, on the other hand, we may only have 1 life and cops can't take chances making mistakes in extreme situations with unstable people. Criminals act irrationally and shoot to kill. Its a reality of what they face every day. I have several good friends that work in the Cleveland City districts. The shit they have to deal with is crazy, stories of how f'ed up people are....ridiculous. Most of them have been shot at on multiple occasions.
What if it were a gun and they chose not to act as aggressively, one of the cops could have died. What if that guy had a gun and was entering the store...potentially putting others in harm's way. It appears the officers could have wounded the criminal instead but if I were in that situation, I can't say I wouldn't have fired on him either.
I think the greater issue is cultural, its a lack of common sense education and respect for others. Too many people (particularly the poor and also young minorities in the US) are not taught by their parents and elders how to respond reasonably to the police. You don't run from the cops pointing anything at them, that should be obvious. As much as there needs to be a conversation about profiling, there needs to be a conversation on how people handle themselves when confronted by police.
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I would have liked to see the cops use a taser in that situation as well, on the other hand, we may only have 1 life and cops can't take chances making mistakes in extreme situations with unstable people. Criminals act irrationally and shoot to kill. Its a reality of what they face every day. I have several good friends that work in the Cleveland City districts. The shit they have to deal with is crazy, stories of how f'ed up people are....ridiculous. Most of them have been shot at on multiple occasions.
What if it were a gun and they chose not to act as aggressively, one of the cops could have died. What if that guy had a gun and was entering the store...potentially putting others in harm's way. It appears the officers could have wounded the criminal instead but if I were in that situation, I can't say I wouldn't have fired on him either.
I think the greater issue is cultural, its a lack of common sense education and respect for others. Too many people (particularly the poor and also young minorities in the US) are not taught by their parents and elders how to respond reasonably to the police. You don't run from the cops pointing anything at them, that should be obvious. As much as there needs to be a conversation about profiling, there needs to be a conversation on how people handle themselves when confronted by police.
I totally agree with that and i think if the situation had gone on a little longer this might have happend but i think it all unfolded so quickly and was the reason a taser was not used.
I totally agree on that point as well which is why we cannot have a actual conversation about race in america b/c neither side wants to hear or understand the other sides point of views.
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YOUR MISSING THE PINT,,,cops are not suppose do anything when smoeone points something at them,,,in fact freeze was suppose to on the cop itself not the suspect cops have protecitve armor on their bodies they protect citizen even if citizen is shooting them only missing is face sheidl
wrong. if they feel like it'd warranted they are too shoot. Also if they feel the guy is tweaking and may have a weapon they they are allowed to take him out. Cops are also allowed to shoot people in the back depending on the circumstance.
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I think the greater issue is cultural, its a lack of common sense education and respect for others. Too many people (particularly the poor and also young minorities in the US) are not taught by their parents and elders how to respond reasonably to the police. You don't run from the cops pointing anything at them, that should be obvious. As much as there needs to be a conversation about profiling, there needs to be a conversation on how people handle themselves when confronted by police.
You've got to be kidding me? One of the biggest and most often heard conversations in Black households in America IS how to respond to police. Mothers instill that info into their sons from the time they can crawl.
Ask any Black man on here if he didn't have that conversation at one point.
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You've got to be kidding me? One of the biggest and most often heard conversations in Black households in America IS how to respond to police. Mothers instill that info into their sons from the time they can crawl.
Ask any Black man on here if he didn't have that conversation at one point.
Why do they fuck it up so much then jag?
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You've got to be kidding me? One of the biggest and most often heard conversations in Black households in America IS how to respond to police. Mothers instill that info into their sons from the time they can crawl.
Ask any Black man on here if he didn't have that conversation at one point.
why do so many of them not listen then?
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You've got to be kidding me? One of the biggest and most often heard conversations in Black households in America IS how to respond to police. Mothers instill that info into their sons from the time they can crawl.
Ask any Black man on here if he didn't have that conversation at one point.
Yet, you have a Black Harvard Scholar setting a great example.
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You've got to be kidding me? One of the biggest and most often heard conversations in Black households in America IS how to respond to police. Mothers instill that info into their sons from the time they can crawl.
Ask any Black man on here if he didn't have that conversation at one point.
I smell bullshit.
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I guarantee this is how the bitch really is.
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bump till later
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As an aside though, it would be interesting to conduct a social experient where people got to be a cop for a day.
Not a real cop who goes out on patrol, ...just one who dons the uniform and utility belt. I think it would be quite revealing to see the immediate transformation that occurs. As a cop, I'd be embarrassed as heck to witness that, and to understand society's true perception of cops, as they mimick them in every way.
There is no magical transformation that occurs. People's perception of you change. You get random people that like cops and want to have a long drawn out conversation with you and you get other people that can't get away from you fast enough.
We have several citizen/student police academy's that are open for the public to see the city they way a cop does and it's really revealing. They get to do a short version of the police academy, including the fun stuff like emergency driving, defensive tactics, shooting, and ride alongs with cops. Of the hundreds that have attended the academy over the years, I've never heard a single negative remark. Most gain a huge amount of respect for what exactly goes into the job and are way MORE likely to work with the police to help make their neighborhoods safer.
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why do so many of them not listen then?
bump for a response jag...
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There is no magical transformation that occurs. People's perception of you change. You get random people that like cops and want to have a long drawn out conversation with you and you get other people that can't get away from you fast enough.
We have several citizen/student police academy's that are open for the public to see the city they way a cop does and it's really revealing. They get to do a short version of the police academy, including the fun stuff like emergency driving, defensive tactics, shooting, and ride alongs with cops. Of the hundreds that have attended the academy over the years, I've never heard a single negative remark. Most gain a huge amount of respect for what exactly goes into the job and are way MORE likely to work with the police to help make their neighborhoods safer.
That's a little closer to actually walking a mile in a man's shoes.
I find it interesting to see what happens to people when you throw a uniform and utility belt onto them, and tell them to act like a cop. I think most cops would cringe in embarrassment to see how people behave then. They'd realize how they were being perceived... rightly or wrongly, ...that's the perception. And stupid arrogant, corrupt cops like the ones shown in the "Police Behaving Badly thread" only re-inforce that impression.
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bump for a response jag...
There's only so much BS and unfair treatment one can take before one says F-You!
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There's only so much BS and unfair treatment one can take before one says F-You!
exactly how was the one guy who got shot in 8 times unfairly treated? LOL jag you deny that a good portion incidents with police involving AA they suspects didnt act in a way in accordance to what they where taught?
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exactly how was the one guy who got shot in 8 times unfairly treated? LOL jag you deny that a good portion incidents with police involving AA they suspects didnt act in a way in accordance to what they where taught?
First of all, there is no audio on that tape. For all we know he could have been saying "chill the f out, I'm talking on the phone"
In any event, I'm not about to claim a good portion of incidents involving AA suspects ended badly because supposed suspects didn't do as they were taught. I'm more prone to believe alot of incidents end badly because police do not do as they have been taught.
The BART shooting is an excellent example. Please tell me where in the handbook does it say you pull out a gun and shoot the guy who is face down on the floor and handcuffed in the back?
Please tell me where in the police handbook, does it require police to taze a 16 year old boy with a broken back who has just fallen off a highway overpass 19 times for failing to obey the officers commands to stand up?
Please tell me where in the police handbook it states that a police officer should take the word of an unreliable snitch who he is threatening, then lie to a judge claiming to have made a drug buy at the residence, in order to get a no knock warrant, so he can burst into the home of an innocent 92 year old granny, and blow her brains out?
Where in the manual does it say a cop should beat a 60 year old man, who is not only in a wheelchair, but cuffed to the wheelchair, in a hospital?
Where does it say a cop should choke out a 14 year old kid who wasn't quick enough, ...or randomly beat a 49 year old man on a street corner, ...or rape a 14 year old runaway, or rape a woman in the police station. I don't need a police manual to know these things aren't in it.
You are either free citizens of a free republic with rights guaranteed under the constitution,
...or you are plebes offering obsequious deference to storm troopers in a fascist military police state. Which is it?
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I find it interesting to see what happens to people when you throw a uniform and utility belt onto them, and tell them to act like a cop.
What you're not getting is that there is no "acting like a cop" that happens. Every cop is a person that makes decisions based on their life experiences. Some cops are dumb, some are smart, some are good with people, some are arrogant pricks. They were dumb, smart, good with people or pricks before they had a badge though.
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First of all, there is no audio on that tape. For all we know he could have been saying "chill the f out, I'm talking on the phone"
In any event, I'm not about to claim a good portion of incidents involving AA suspects ended badly because supposed suspects didn't do as they were taught. I'm more prone to believe alot of incidents end badly because police do not do as they have been taught.
The BART shooting is an excellent example. Please tell me where in the handbook does it say you pull out a gun and shoot the guy who is face down on the floor and handcuffed in the back?
Please tell me where in the police handbook, does it require police to taze a 16 year old boy with a broken back who has just fallen off a highway overpass 19 times for failing to obey the officers commands to stand up?
Please tell me where in the police handbook it states that a police officer should take the word of an unreliable snitch who he is threatening, then lie to a judge claiming to have made a drug buy at the residence, in order to get a no knock warrant, so he can burst into the home of an innocent 92 year old granny, and blow her brains out?
Where in the manual does it say a cop should beat a 60 year old man, who is not only in a wheelchair, but cuffed to the wheelchair, in a hospital?
Where does it say a cop should choke out a 14 year old kid who wasn't quick enough, ...or randomly beat a 49 year old man on a street corner, ...or rape a 14 year old runaway, or rape a woman in the police station. I don't need a police manual to know these things aren't in it.
You are either free citizens of a free republic with rights guaranteed under the constitution,
...or you are plebes offering obsequious deference to storm troopers in a fascist military police state. Which is it?
so thats what your taught? if your on the phone its ok to push a police man away and walk away from them? LOL fact is if he had done what he was taught he would still be alive jag...your exceptions to the rule only serve to prove my point jag...
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First of all, there is no audio on that tape. For all we know he could have been saying "chill the f out, I'm talking on the phone"
In any event, I'm not about to claim a good portion of incidents involving AA suspects ended badly because supposed suspects didn't do as they were taught. I'm more prone to believe alot of incidents end badly because police do not do as they have been taught.
The BART shooting is an excellent example. Please tell me where in the handbook does it say you pull out a gun and shoot the guy who is face down on the floor and handcuffed in the back?
Please tell me where in the police handbook, does it require police to taze a 16 year old boy with a broken back who has just fallen off a highway overpass 19 times for failing to obey the officers commands to stand up?
Please tell me where in the police handbook it states that a police officer should take the word of an unreliable snitch who he is threatening, then lie to a judge claiming to have made a drug buy at the residence, in order to get a no knock warrant, so he can burst into the home of an innocent 92 year old granny, and blow her brains out?
Where in the manual does it say a cop should beat a 60 year old man, who is not only in a wheelchair, but cuffed to the wheelchair, in a hospital?
Where does it say a cop should choke out a 14 year old kid who wasn't quick enough, ...or randomly beat a 49 year old man on a street corner, ...or rape a 14 year old runaway, or rape a woman in the police station. I don't need a police manual to know these things aren't in it.
You are either free citizens of a free republic with rights guaranteed under the constitution,
...or you are plebes offering obsequious deference to storm troopers in a fascist military police state. Which is it?
Straw man alert! Straw man alert!
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I don't think the one cop was ducking to make the shoot look good for the camera.
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so thats what your taught? if your on the phone its ok to push a police man away and walk away from them? LOL fact is if he had done what he was taught he would still be alive jag...your exceptions to the rule only serve to prove my point jag...
Why is it that Jag believes you have a right to be a total dick to the cops and that they have to practice restraint? I really question the type of 'free' society that she wants to live in.
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First of all, there is no audio on that tape. For all we know he could have been saying "chill the f out, I'm talking on the phone"
In any event, I'm not about to claim a good portion of incidents involving AA suspects ended badly because supposed suspects didn't do as they were taught. I'm more prone to believe alot of incidents end badly because police do not do as they have been taught.
The BART shooting is an excellent example. Please tell me where in the handbook does it say you pull out a gun and shoot the guy who is face down on the floor and handcuffed in the back?
Please tell me where in the police handbook, does it require police to taze a 16 year old boy with a broken back who has just fallen off a highway overpass 19 times for failing to obey the officers commands to stand up?
Please tell me where in the police handbook it states that a police officer should take the word of an unreliable snitch who he is threatening, then lie to a judge claiming to have made a drug buy at the residence, in order to get a no knock warrant, so he can burst into the home of an innocent 92 year old granny, and blow her brains out?
Where in the manual does it say a cop should beat a 60 year old man, who is not only in a wheelchair, but cuffed to the wheelchair, in a hospital?
Where does it say a cop should choke out a 14 year old kid who wasn't quick enough, ...or randomly beat a 49 year old man on a street corner, ...or rape a 14 year old runaway, or rape a woman in the police station. I don't need a police manual to know these things aren't in it.
You are either free citizens of a free republic with rights guaranteed under the constitution,
...or you are plebes offering obsequious deference to storm troopers in a fascist military police state. Which is it?
Unfortunately a world full off knuckleheads prevents people from living completely free. Blame the citizens for police reaction, not the police. If people didn't do dumb shit then police would not need to respond.
Jag, most people don't have the courage or the qualities needed to be a police officer. There are bad apples like any other job but most people who REALLY want to be there are doing a good job.
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I don't think the one cop was ducking to make the shoot look good for the camera.
He was probably scared for his life. Doesn't negate the fact that he was mistaken when he felt his life was in danger.
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Why is it that Jag believes you have a right to be a total dick to the cops and that they have to practice restraint? I really question the type of 'free' society that she wants to live in.
Because the police are given guns and have the authority to make arrests for crimes.
Being a dick is NOT a crime. Abuse of the authority granted to you is.
You question the type of 'free' society I want to live in. I DEPLORE the gestapo like police state you advocate!
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Please tell me where in the police handbook it states that a police officer should take the word of an unreliable snitch who he is threatening, then lie to a judge claiming to have made a drug buy at the residence, in order to get a no knock warrant, so he can burst into the home of an innocent 92 year old granny, and blow her brains out?
Way over simplified this particular case.
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He was probably scared for his life. Doesn't negate the fact that he was mistaken when he felt his life was in danger.
I can find you some video's of poor decisions made by cops if it will make you feel better. This isn't one of them. The MISTAKE was pointing what appeared to be a gun at a cop.
What it negates is the statement made earlier on this thread that the cops knew he had a phone but chose to shoot him for the hell of it.
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Because the police are given guns and have the authority to make arrests for crimes.
Being a dick is NOT a crime. Abuse of the authority granted to you is.
You question the type of 'free' society I want to live in. I DEPLORE the gestapo like police state you advocate!
I very much prefer to live in the "gestapo like state" known as America.
It's better than living in an anarchist state where the authorities cannot enforce even the simplest rules because someone is always bitching about what they can or cannot do.
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Way over simplified this particular case.
Are you saying the cop didn't lie?
Are you saying this would still have occurred had the officer told the truth?
you want simplification... it's flat out murder.
If an individual dies during the commission of a crime, ...it's murder is it not?
Those cops in Atlanta were committing a crime, and an innocent elderly granny died in the process, and officers were hospitalized as a result. Tell me you find no fault in the police actiions that precipitated the whole mess?
Documents reveal details in Johnston slaying,
cover-up
Three former Atlanta police officers charged in botched raid
By Bill Torpy, Bill Rankin
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Sunday, February 22, 2009
Jason Smith was losing it. “I [screwed] up; I think I killed this woman,” the Atlanta narcotics cop told partner Arthur Tesler in the yard behind a small brick bungalow on Neal Street. “You guys got to help me.”
Inside, a 92-year-old woman lay dead, killed by a fusillade of police bullets. Officer Gregg Junnier, his face grazed by a bullet and bleeding, stalked through the home looking for suspects and contraband.
Kathryn Johnston, 92, died in a drug raid based on a warrant obtained under false pretenses.
HOW WE GOT THE STORY
This account of the police cover-up involving the 2006 death of Kathryn Johnston is drawn from court testimony, documents produced by the U.S. Attorney's Office and a sentencing memorandum written by federal prosecutors based on their two-year investigation. The broad outlines of the cover-up by former officers Gregg Junnier, Jason Smith and Arthur Tesler are contained in the memorandum. The officers' conversations, as well as other details of their plot, are drawn from the testimony of Junnier and Tesler in Tesler's trial in Fulton County Superior Court in May. Reporters Bill Torpy and Bill Rankin also interviewed lawyers involved in the case.
But there were no dealers, no kilo of cocaine. The tip that brought police to 933 Neal St. was as bogus as the story they used to sell a judge on the raid.
Desperation and self-preservation kicked in. Smith remembered the marijuana seized earlier that day. Better make it look like a drug house, he reckoned. He pulled baggies of pot from his sleeve, nodded to Tesler, and planted them in the basement.
The Nov. 21, 2006, killing of Kathryn Johnston, two days before Thanksgiving, outraged residents of the northwest neighborhood, shocked the nation and rocked Atlanta’s police force. It laid bare the corruption of an out-of-control narcotics squad that lied to get search warrants and planted drugs on suspects.
This time, Smith had authored the trumped-up affidavit. For all three, it was business as usual.
The three former officers were together again in federal court this week to be sentenced for conspiring to violate Johnston’s civil rights. A sentencing memo from prosecutors to the judge, along with prior testimony and other court records, reveals how the officers concocted a sophisticated cover-up that fell apart when Junnier, the squad veteran and the son of a cop, turned on his colleagues. He crossed the “blue line.”
Getting the story straight
Two hours after the shootout, Junnier lay in a hospital bed with flesh wounds to his cheek and thigh. Smith and Tesler sidled up to him, waiting for his room at Grady Memorial Hospital to clear.
Junnier was irritated; Smith seemed more concerned about getting their story straight than how he was doing. Smith was mad because Junnier hadn’t answered his cellphone at the hospital.
The three officers were members of a squad with free rein to operate in a netherworld of drugs, criminals and danger. The rules and truth were measured on a sliding, situational scale. They had to depend on each other. But they weren’t friends. And now trust was in short supply.
But they were in this together. They began to construct what federal prosecutors would call “a diligent and devious effort” to deflect their complicity.
Their sergeant and lieutenant had already questioned Smith and Tesler. Now the two told Junnier the story they were going with: that they got the warrant for the raid after Alex White, a reliable snitch they often used, purchased crack cocaine at the Neal Street home. They’d told their superiors they drove White to the house in a patrol car.
Junnier was incredulous.
“Take an informant to make a buy in a patrol car?” he asked. “You’re going to have to come up with something better than that.”
At 40, Junnier had 18 years on the force, eight in narcotics. He’d followed his father into the brotherhood of blue. His wife was a nurse, and Junnier worked second jobs to send her to school. He skipped lunch with his partners so he could clock out quickly and go home to their son and daughter.
But part of his side income came from “security jobs” prosecutors say he ran while on duty, jobs in which the cops, for weekly cash payments, provided extra surveillance for businesses in high-crime areas. Authorities suggest Junnier and others cut corners not only to more easily catch criminals but to save time to work their crooked jobs.
Now the job was to get White, the informant, on board with their story. Later that night, Smith called Junnier to say things were set with White.
“He’s cool with everything,” he told his anxious colleague.
Feeling the heat
The tragic string of events had started at 4 p.m. Nov. 21, 2006, when Tesler roughed up and arrested small-time dope slinger Fabian Sheats and threatened him with prison unless he gave up someone bigger. The nervous suspect eventually picked out Johnston’s home — apparently at random — where he said he saw a dealer named “Sam” with a kilo of cocaine just an hour before. The officers were pumped. A kilo was a huge score for cops used to seizures measured in grams.
But Sheats was unreliable, so they called White at 5:05 p.m. to come make a buy to prove a dealer lived there. White couldn’t come. But for this squad, it didn’t matter. They’d just invent the facts they needed.
The officers were at the Fulton County jail a half hour later to get a warrant from a magistrate. Smith told the judge they had watched “Sam” greet their informant, go inside and sell him drugs. At 5:53 p.m., they had their “no-knock” warrant. It would allow them to batter down the door and catch the criminals inside by surprise.
By 7 p.m. Johnston lay dead, shot five or six times. Believing intruders were at her door, she’d fired her revolver once. The entry team responded with 39 shots.
The next day, a worried Tesler approached Junnier, who’d been released from the hospital. He told him their supervisor suspected they were lying. Still, the sergeant had told him, “You need to get your story together and stick to it.”
To that end, Tesler wrote a police report to match the false affidavit and cover story.
A stocky, well-built New York native, Tesler, 40, had joined the Army at 24 to get experience as a military policeman so he could become a cop. He joined the Atlanta force in 1999.
As the rookie on the narcotics squad, Tesler recalls being told to “listen and learn.” He apparently did. Prosecutors say 19 of the 20 search warrants he authored contained false statements.
Over the next few days, Tesler, Junnier and Smith continued to fine-tune their story. They also called White repeatedly, offering him cash to get on board.
After Thanksgiving, the officers met at My Cousin Vinny’s, a Marietta pizza joint. Smith, a lean and boyish 34-year-old, walked in carrying a pile of papers.
A former officer with the Georgia Army National Guard who served in Bosnia and Iraq, Smith was known as meticulous and detail-oriented. In his hand was a typed summary of their version of events, a script for all to study.
They had junked their story about driving White to the Neal Street house in a patrol car. Now they rehearsed how they had gotten there in White’s car — “recalling” it smelled of mildew. They agreed they’d seen the informant walk down the driveway to meet the suspected drug dealer.
Layers of details would make their stories believable. But they were just more lies to keep straight.
The men got touchy as the days wore on. They worried about phone taps. They tracked who was talking to whom.
Their paranoia was realized the next week when informant White went to a television station and spilled his story: After the shooting, he said, two narcotics cops told him “you need to cover our [rear].”
Police Chief Richard Pennington held a news conference with federal and state law enforcement officials to discuss White’s shocking allegation.
Feeling the heat, the three officers called another meeting. This time they drove the route they claimed to have traveled with White to absorb small details, such as the carwash parking lot where they’d “met” him. Smith even drew a diagram showing the direction White’s car had faced.
The story unravels
On Dec. 7, Tesler went to speak with FBI agents now wary of the officers’ tale. Junnier’s attorney already had approached the agents and mentioned it was possible Junnier would corroborate White.
But Tesler knew nothing of this.
As a patrolman, Tesler has said, he reported another cop for using racist language and turning situations on the street volatile. But instead of being supported by the department, he said, he was demoted to duty at the airport. Worse, he became known as a “rat.”
He didn’t want to live through that again. He stuck with their fabricated story.
Afterward, Tesler called Junnier and asked him to meet in the parking lot of a Mexican restaurant in Cobb County.
Junnier could see Tesler was agitated.
“He was worried I was breaking away from them,” Junnier recalled. “He told me I needed to stick with them.”
On Dec. 11, in his first interview with the FBI, Junnier broke ranks. He admitted it was all a lie.
The officer says his decision came after consulting his wife and pastor. But Junnier knew what the criminals he busted knew: First one in gets the best deal.
On Dec. 21, agents rattled Tesler, confronting him with details they’d learned from Junnier. Tesler asked whether he could return after the holidays with his attorney.
Around Christmas, Junnier got a panicked call from Smith: Tesler hadn’t called after his second FBI meeting, he said. Smith figured Tesler was cooperating.
Then Junnier got a call from Tesler. He wanted to meet again at the Mexican restaurant. He thought Tesler sounded strange, so he brought a gun.
What happened at that meeting depends on who is telling the story. Junnier claims Tesler told him they needed to stick together.
Tesler says he was frightened by his two more senior officers, who kept dragging him deeper into the plot. He recalls telling Junnier that his wife was pregnant with their fourth child. He wanted out.
Paying the price
On Jan. 4, 2007, Tesler told FBI agents he had lied. A week later, Smith caved.
In the end, they all implicated each other.
The revelations eroded public trust in the Atlanta Police Department, which disbanded and later rebuilt the narcotics department. Fulton County prosecutors were forced to review scores of pending cases and ultimately dismissed or reduced the charges in 69, meaning several likely criminals went free.
“It has harmed the community, the many honest members of the police force that protect the community, the integrity of the justice system and, indeed, the very rule of law,” federal prosecutors wrote in their sentencing memorandum.
All three officers have pleaded guilty. Prosecutors are seeking more than 12 years imprisonment for Smith, with up to a 20 percent reduction for his cooperation. The recommendation for Tesler is 10 years.
But authorities want a “substantial reduction” to Junnier’s 10-year sentence because of “his almost unprecedented decision” to cross the “blue line.” His early cooperation allowed the case to be solved in weeks, “rather than months or years” had authorities been forced to use circumstantial evidence and drug-dealing snitches.
Prosecutors say the three ex-cops should be equally responsible for one thing: They must pay Johnston’s estate $8,180 — the cost of burying her.
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I remember assholes on here screaming about how she obviously looked like a drug dealer.
A poor innocent 92 year old granny, in her own home, minding her own business, and plain clothed bastards in an unmarked car, storm into her home with an illegally obtained no knock warrant. The poor lady died from trying to protect herself from armed thugss. I understand why they opened fire on her, ...I just wish she could have taken a few of them out before she went. Now THAT would have been justice.
As for colleagues who back up other cops, ...I don't buy it for a minute!
Everyone knows you don't cross the blue line, ...or you could very well die on the job.
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I can find you some video's of poor decisions made by cops if it will make you feel better. This isn't one of them. The MISTAKE was pointing what appeared to be a gun at a cop.
What it negates is the statement made earlier on this thread that the cops knew he had a phone but chose to shoot him for the hell of it.
Who said he did it for the hell of it? ??? Certainly not I. I said he made a mistake. One that cost an innocent man his life.
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I very much prefer to live in the "gestapo like state" known as America.
It's better than living in an anarchist state where the authorities cannot enforce even the simplest rules because someone is always bitching about what they can or cannot do.
So you say now, ...but give it a few years. :P
You might soon find yourself wanting to join the influx of American refugees already piling into our country daily.
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True, but uh, they knew he had no gun, otherwise they woudn't have let him go walking around like that...I tws clear as day, that wasn't a gun..Who said he did it for the hell of it? ??? Certainly not I. I said he made a mistake. One that cost an innocent man his life.
This quote is the one I was referring to.
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This quote is the one I was referring to.
You need to be a bit more specific, ...since you reference two quotes not one.
F-ing cops... they're always screwing up, ...even something so simple as quoting other posters. :P ;)
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so thats what your taught? if your on the phone its ok to push a police man away and walk away from them? LOL fact is if he had done what he was taught he would still be alive jag...your exceptions to the rule only serve to prove my point jag...
bump for a response jag
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You need to be a bit more specific, ...since you reference two quotes not one.
I figured you were smart enough to see that one quote said the cop knew it was a phone. Sinse the other quote was yours asking me a question about who said that, I assumed you could figure it out. That was totally my fault. ::)
I could use my big orange crayon to make it easier for you to understand
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bump for a response jag
I thought she was taught that as long as you're black, you can get away with any treatment to the police and not expect any repercussions.
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There is no doubt we have to hold the police accountible when they abuse their power and don't follow proper police procedure...but when they do, we have to support them so they can protect us. I am glad there are people that are more suspicious of the police, like Jag, but we have to teach our youth to in general respect police and not to mix past issues or other events with their specific situation that may taint their view of law enforcement.
From talking to various officers, a disproportionate # of people in the poorer districts have little respect for the police and do not act appropriately, thats putting it very gently. I think its widespread knowledge that a larger % of young minorities do not act appropriately when confronted by cops, just like in that video. Jag, I hope that conversation takes place as much as you say...but its seems as though its not taking place enough yet.
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so thats what your taught? if your on the phone its ok to push a police man away and walk away from them? LOL fact is if he had done what he was taught he would still be alive jag...your exceptions to the rule only serve to prove my point jag...
bump for a response jag...
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There is no doubt we have to hold the police accountible when they abuse their power and don't follow proper police procedure...but when they do, we have to support them so they can protect us. I am glad there are people that are more suspicious of the police, like Jag, but we have to teach our youth to in general respect police and not to mix past issues or other events with their specific situation that may taint their view of law enforcement.
From talking to various officers, a disproportionate # of people in the poorer districts have little respect for the police and do not act appropriately, thats putting it very gently. I think its widespread knowledge that a larger % of young minorities do not act appropriately when confronted by cops, just like in that video. Jag, I hope that conversation takes place as much as you say...but its seems as though its not taking place enough yet.
They are brought up to act like jerks to police and to normal people, and it is very prevalent. They purposely do this and then wonder why police saturate their neighborhood trying to find problems.
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While Jaguar is always 100% wrong about everything, I do agree that blacks are unfairly targeted by cops. However, it is not hard to figure out why based on the fact that statistically blacks commit more crime.
Cops are for the most part assholes- the guys who were picked on in high school and decided they wanted an easy bs civil service job where they could enact their revenge on the population.
However, the culture in these areas definitely contributes the police departments overreactions and in many cases disinterested attitudes toward helping lower the crime rate.
When cops go to a white area, do they see "stop snitching" murals sprayed all over the place in graffiti? Is the neighborhood receptive to preventing crime, or are they complicit in criminal activity because the neighborhood as a whole has allowed the gangs and thugs to scare everyone into keeping their mouths shut?
When cops do some actual police work, kick some ass and arrest people in response to the communities concerns, race baiting activists and other braindead civil rights types complain of brutality.
So, in Jaguars perfect world, cops should take on violent criminals unarmed, should only execute arrests and searches if they are 100% sure a crime is in progress ( probable cause isn't enough) and police should have a greater presence in the minority community to combat crime, but-- they shouldn't be rough with anyone while arresting them. Oh, and also, it is culturally insensitive to look for witnesses in the black community because talking to the police is a definite no no- they need to investigate without talking to any black people period. All witnesses must be white or some other race, or luckily the perpetrator will be caught on video camera.
To sum it up, fix an unfixable problem and dont make a mess while the community tries its best to make your job impossible. I think that sounds about right.
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While Jaguar is always 100% wrong about everything, I do agree that blacks are unfairly targeted by cops. However, it is not hard to figure out why based on the fact that statistically blacks commit more crime.
Cops are for the most part assholes- the guys who were picked on in high school and decided they wanted an easy bs civil service job where they could enact their revenge on the population.
However, the culture in these areas definitely contributes the police departments overreactions and in many cases disinterested attitudes toward helping lower the crime rate.
When cops go to a white area, do they see "stop snitching" murals sprayed all over the place in graffiti? Is the neighborhood receptive to preventing crime, or are they complicit in criminal activity because the neighborhood as a whole has allowed the gangs and thugs to scare everyone into keeping their mouths shut?
When cops do some actual police work, kick some ass and arrest people in response to the communities concerns, race baiting activists and other braindead civil rights types complain of brutality.
So, in Jaguars perfect world, cops should take on violent criminals unarmed, should only execute arrests and searches if they are 100% sure a crime is in progress ( probable cause isn't enough) and police should have a greater presence in the minority community to combat crime, but-- they shouldn't be rough with anyone while arresting them. Oh, and also, it is culturally insensitive to look for witnesses in the black community because talking to the police is a definite no no- they need to investigate without talking to any black people period. All witnesses must be white or some other race, or luckily the perpetrator will be caught on video camera.
To sum it up, fix an unfixable problem and dont make a mess while the community tries its best to make your job impossible. I think that sounds about right.
The first highlighted area is a misnomer perpetrated by people who think people who assert themselves were picked on. That may be true for some but I don't think it includes most. Believe it or not, most police officers start out wanting to help people and eventually dealing with the scum of the Earth takes a toll on the officer, not to mention constantly worrying if your next step will get you sued by some citizen who wants money or THINKS they were treated unfairly.
The second highlighted area is dead on. Police officers in bed room communities are usually nicer. Their biggest worry is a loud party and only then do they get to be assertive, usually with some asshole punks who think they are above the law.
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I do agree that blacks are unfairly targeted by cops. However, it is not hard to figure out why based on the fact that statistically blacks commit more crime.
When you statistically target Blacks more frequently, ...you are going to detect more crime among Blacks.
If Whites were targetted with the same frequency, you'd detect a higher % of crimes within the white community.
Cops are for the most part assholes- the guys who were picked on in high school and decided they wanted an easy bs civil service job where they could enact their revenge on the population.
I don't entirely disagree with this.
However, the culture in these areas definitely contributes the police departments overreactions and in many cases disinterested attitudes toward helping lower the crime rate.
Police conduct in these areas contributes considerably to attitudes towards them.
I remember one night in Buffalo, our car broke down. We were hassled by no less than 5 cop cars.
My 5 friends in the car were all American. When I asked the owner why she didn't ask the cop if he could call for AAA, the rest of them looked at me like I was on drugs. The owner responded, "Those cops are so damned racist, I'm not about to ask them for nothing!" I thought that was a stupid attitude, ...so by the time the 5th cop car came along to hassle us, I thought, I'm gonna ask him. It was a Black cop btw, and his attitude was unbelievable. Here we were, 6 black women broken down at the side of the road, in the middle of KKK country, and he wouldn't even so much as call a tow truck. I was so incensed, I told his ass off on the spot. And I let him know what a horrible impression he left on me as a visitor in his city and country. I could tell he was completely ashamed of himself. A week later, one of the girls who was with me that night was up in Toronto with me taking in a baseball game between the Cleveland Indians & the Toronto Blue Jays. As we were leaving, we were trying to find the most appropriate exit we could use closest to where we were going to meet a friend of hers who played for the Indians. As we were eyeing potential exits, a Metro Toronto Police Officer approached us with a smile on his face, and said "You ladies look a bit lost, ...how can I help you?" Coco almost gave herself whiplash doing a double take. She couldn't believe a cop could actually be friendly, let alone helpful. I explained we were trying to find the exit that would take us closest to Rees Street. He politely pointed out the way to get to that particular exit. He had noted CoCo's American accent, and asked if this was our first time to Toronto. I stated, I lived here, but CoCo is just visiting. He turned, smiled at her, and said "Welcome to Toronto. I hope you enjoy your stay here." She was absolutely flabberghasted. As we walked away, she was in an absolute daze. Her exact words: "Dang! That's a police officer. He sure ain't like the ones we got!"
When cops go to a white area, do they see "stop snitching" murals sprayed all over the place in graffiti? Is the neighborhood receptive to preventing crime, or are they complicit in criminal activity because the neighborhood as a whole has allowed the gangs and thugs to scare everyone into keeping their mouths shut?
When cops go to "white areas" they observe the law, behave politely, and try not to infringe upon a citizen's rights,
...especially if we are talking about an affluent white area.
When cops do some actual police work, kick some ass and arrest people in response to the communities concerns, race baiting activists and other braindead civil rights types complain of brutality.
If there was no police brutality involved, ...there'd be no complaints about it.
So, in Jaguars perfect world, cops should take on violent criminals unarmed, should only execute arrests and searches if they are 100% sure a crime is in progress ( probable cause isn't enough) and police should have a greater presence in the minority community to combat crime, but-- they shouldn't be rough with anyone while arresting them. Oh, and also, it is culturally insensitive to look for witnesses in the black community because talking to the police is a definite no no- they need to investigate without talking to any black people period. All witnesses must be white or some other race, or luckily the perpetrator will be caught on video camera.
No, in my perfect world, cops would know their place. They're there to serve & protect citizens, not harrass them.
In my perfect world, innocent law abiding citizens wouldn't get hassled by cops, beaten by cops, robbed, raped, or otherwise abused by cops and the authority they carry. They are supposed to be our servants, ...NOT our masters.
To sum it up, fix an unfixable problem and dont make a mess while the community tries its best to make your job impossible. I think that sounds about right.
Yep, ...that's about right. :)
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The first highlighted area is a misnomer perpetrated by people who think people who assert themselves were picked on. That may be true for some but I don't think it includes most. Believe it or not, most police officers start out wanting to help people and eventually dealing with the scum of the Earth takes a toll on the officer, not to mention constantly worrying if your next step will get you sued by some citizen who wants money or THINKS they were treated unfairly.
The second highlighted area is dead on. Police officers in bed room communities are usually nicer. Their biggest worry is a loud party and only then do they get to be assertive, usually with some asshole punks who think they are above the law.
Like this grandfather and pregnant mom celebrating the baptism of two little boys?
The only asshole punks involved were the cops who showed up. ::)
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When you statistically target Blacks more frequently, ...you are going to detect more crime among Blacks.
If Whites were targetted with the same frequency, you'd detect a higher % of crimes within the white community.
Well if Blacks didn't statistically commit the majority of crimes in certain neighborhoods, this wouldn't be the case.
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Well if Blacks didn't statistically commit the majority of crimes in certain neighborhoods, this wouldn't be the case.
That's like saying most Americans are rapists. Afterall, when you look at the stats, the majority of rapes committed in the US, are done by Americans. ::)
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That's like saying most Americans are rapists. Afterall, when you look at the stats, the majority of rapes committed in the US, are done by Americans. ::)
again Jag why do you waste time with these guys?..they don't get it and never will....these guys all have a bias against blacks which prevents them from seeing these situations for what they really are....I am very pro cop yet I would hesitate to call police because even though I would be the one having trouble, I don't know how the cops would react if they came to me....I don't know if I would be the one getting arrested even though it would be me who has called them....
I was having a dispute with a guy the other day because he was drunk....he began to threaten me...my wife told me to call the police and I refused because I didn't want the cops involved because who knows what would happen then?.....oftentimes cops see black and they automatically think the black guy is in the wrong..it's a bias....not saying they all hate black people...it's simply a bias based on a profile
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again Jag why do you waste time with these guys?..they don't get it and never will....these guys all have a bias against blacks which prevents them from seeing these situations for what they really are....I am very pro cop yet I would hesitate to call police because even though I would be the one having trouble, I don't know how the cops would react if they came to me....I don't know if I would be the one getting arrested even though it would be me who has called them....
I was having a dispute with a guy the other day because he was drunk....he began to threaten me...my wife told me to call the police and I refused because I didn't want the cops involved because who knows what would happen then?.....oftentimes cops see black and they automatically think the black guy is in the wrong..it's a bias....not saying they all hate black people...it's simply a bias based on a profile
Geez, it must be hard having a chip on your shoulder from birth.
As for Jag, the incident is being investigated by the department. What more do you want? The family claims the guy was tased for no reason. Okay, but it sounds like the tasing of the woman was legit. It just doesn't look good because she's pregnant. Hopefully she gets deported if she's illegal. This incident sounds more like an issue of poor training than a bad cop.
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I am white. Although I have a darker complexion and often hang around with those a few shades darker than white, I am unmistakably white once you hear me speak. I have been harassed by cops, as have my friends. I went to high school with many people who became cops and I can speak first hand ( at least in NYC) most cops are either (a) Holier than thou douchebags just looking to wreck someones good time or meet their arrest quota for the month, (b) Racist assholes who get their kicks by waving their nightsticks at the colored folk- ( believe it or not, some black cops get their jollies by doing the same to white kids on the street), (c) Lazy, incompatent slobs who were picked on in high school OR (d) Intelligent, hard working, crime stopping, civil servants trying to serve the community without throwing the book at every person that crosses their path.
(d) is like 10% of cops, while a-c makes up the other 90%.
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I am white. Although I have a darker complexion and often hang around with those a few shades darker than white, I am unmistakably white once you hear me speak. I have been harassed by cops, as have my friends. I went to high school with many people who became cops and I can speak first hand ( at least in NYC) most cops are either (a) Holier than thou douchebags just looking to wreck someones good time or meet their arrest quota for the month, (b) Racist assholes who get their kicks by waving their nightsticks at the colored folk- ( believe it or not, some black cops get their jollies by doing the same to white kids on the street), (c) Lazy, incompatent slobs who were picked on in high school OR (d) Intelligent, hard working, crime stopping, civil servants trying to serve the community without throwing the book at every person that crosses their path.
(d) is like 10% of cops, while a-c makes up the other 90%.
you are one of the best posters on here and I agree 100% with that sentiment. I know tons of cops and you are spot on.
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you are one of the best posters on here and I agree 100% with that sentiment. I know tons of cops and you are spot on.
WOW, 333....George states in his post that there ARE cops who are racist against blacks and you actually AGREE with it.......that psychiatrist I suggested must really be helping you.. :D
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WOW, 333....George states in his post that there ARE cops who are racist against blacks and you actually AGREE with it.......that psychiatrist I suggested must really be helping you.. :D
Bro, you know where i am from. George knows NYC very well just like us. there are certain things that cant be denied.
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Bro, you know where i am from. George knows NYC very well just like us. there are certain things that cant be denied.
got me there..agreed!
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Geez, it must be hard having a chip on your shoulder from birth.
As for Jag, the incident is being investigated by the department. What more do you want? The family claims the guy was tased for no reason. Okay, but it sounds like the tasing of the woman was legit. It just doesn't look good because she's pregnant. Hopefully she gets deported if she's illegal. This incident sounds more like an issue of poor training than a bad cop.
Are you on drugs?! How can you possibly say the tasering of a woman on the ground helping a senior who's just been tasered was legit? You are seriously fvcked up. And I pray to God you never get accepted on any police force anywhere, anytime. Poor training put on the street = bad cop!
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I am white. Although I have a darker complexion and often hang around with those a few shades darker than white, I am unmistakably white once you hear me speak. I have been harassed by cops, as have my friends. I went to high school with many people who became cops and I can speak first hand ( at least in NYC) most cops are either (a) Holier than thou douchebags just looking to wreck someones good time or meet their arrest quota for the month, (b) Racist assholes who get their kicks by waving their nightsticks at the colored folk- ( believe it or not, some black cops get their jollies by doing the same to white kids on the street), (c) Lazy, incompatent slobs who were picked on in high school OR (d) Intelligent, hard working, crime stopping, civil servants trying to serve the community without throwing the book at every person that crosses their path.
(d) is like 10% of cops, while a-c makes up the other 90%.
This is a banner day on GetBig... George Whorewell and I actually agree on something. :o
What are the odds? I'm gonna go out and buy a lotto ticket. :)
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Are you on drugs?! How can you possibly say the tasering of a woman on the ground helping a senior who's just been tasered was legit? You are seriously fvcked up. And I pray to God you never get accepted on any police force anywhere, anytime. Poor training put on the street = bad cop!
If the woman was a perceived threat to the officer, yes I could see an officer using the taser instead of fighting with the woman. Imagine an officer taking on the woman and her male cohorts trying to fight the officers. The taser instills fear. I talked to a deputy working the jails who said the only thing this violent 350 lb inmate feared was his grandma and the taser.
I'm not on drugs, I actually know many departments use of force policies and know how things work. Most of you post conjecture and opinion. I've read MAJOR incident reports for large departments and read what federal courts and POST training have authorized different departments to do. Retraining is a major problem in LE today because most departments find it hard to pay officers to train in addition to paying them for their shifts and overtime. Poor training doesn't make a bad cop, it means that he could have barely passed in the academy...which is a problem with the staff not the trainee or the department's policy might be ambiguous or unclear. Officers best try to fit their behavior within the use of force policies. If this department authorizes the taser in these situations then he acted properly. If the department didn't then he will likely take a "hit" for it.
Don't make posts solely out of emotion, because you are obviously biased and have little knowledge on the subject. You want to talk about an incident that was purely wrong, then look into the department's use of force policy and post on it otherwise you are just speculating.
I don't advocate beating everyone up but I certainly think taking a suspect down hard is no big deal, but if you rather not have a bruised or bloody suspect because they were fighting the officer then don't bitch about the other tactics authorized. Using the taser helps prevent injuries to officers and it just looks bad when 10 officers take down a suspect. Allegations fly, false claims are made and God forbid the incident is on camera then you are dealing with another mess. The taser works folks. Suspects lose every time and when your goal is to safely arrest someone then you want the tools that work.
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If the woman was a perceived threat to the officer, yes I could see an officer using the taser instead of fighting with the woman. Imagine an officer taking on the woman and her male cohorts trying to fight the officers. The taser instills fear. I talked to a deputy working the jails who said the only thing this violent 350 lb inmate feared was his grandma and the taser.
She was tasered in the back while she was down on the ground attending to the senior citizen who was tasered by the police. If attending to a person who has just been assaulted by a cop is assault on a cop, ER docs and paramedics all over the country would be up on charges.
I'm not on drugs,
Maybe you should be. :D
God forbid the incident is on camera then you are dealing with another mess.
Like the inability to lie about how things really went down? Is that the other mess you're talking about? :-\
The taser works folks. Suspects lose every time and when your goal is to safely arrest someone then you want the tools that work.
If your goal is to sadistically cause people intense pain the taser works there too.
And bad training does equal bad cops, ...whether they are by the book or not!
GARBAGE IN = GARBAGE OUT! Idjit! >:(
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Yeah Jag, every officer wants to inflict pain just to get his jollies. ::)
Even fights that are handled within use of force policy look bad on tv. Watching someone tased, even if they deserve it, looks bad on tv. Dispersing a crowd with batons, bean bag rounds, rubber bullets, etc looks bad even if the crowd needs to be moved. It's not about police conspiracy to lie. The public has no idea about use of force and they start screaming racism or police brutality.
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Yeah Jag, every officer wants to inflict pain just to get his jollies. ::)
Not all, ...but some.
Even fights that are handled within use of force policy look bad on tv. Watching someone tased, even if they deserve it, looks bad on tv. Dispersing a crowd with batons, bean bag rounds, rubber bullets, etc looks bad even if the crowd needs to be moved. It's not about police conspiracy to lie. The public has no idea about use of force and they start screaming racism or police brutality.
:o What're you doing posting in this thread?
There's a storm trooper somewhere waiting for a blowjob... you're late!
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Not all, ...but some.
:o What're you doing posting in this thread?
There's a storm trooper somewhere waiting for a blowjob... you're late!
HA!!!!.....NICE ;D
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Not all, ...but some.
:o What're you doing posting in this thread?
There's a storm trooper somewhere waiting for a blowjob... you're late!
Your intelligent post tells me all I need to hear. You admit you know nothing on the subject and have posted nothing of value. As for the second comment, if you honestly think American police are storm troopers then you really have a weird world perspective. Their not pussies like in other countries but they are not the Gestapo. Get a life.
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jag you never answered my question, is how the man reacted when pulled over for running a red light how AA are told to act by their parents?
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Also, and maybe most importantly, what does race have to do with threatening police officers like that?
Do you think that they let white people point guns at them or what?
I used to have a lot more respect for your positions. I'm beginning to think that you're just a racist now.
I think that the police really hate everyone....They are equal opportunity haters! If you get pulled over, they talk to you like you are a criminal, and they presume that you are guilty of something!! I am sure there are racists in the police mix, but I believe the vast percentage of them are "just hateful", and counting the days until they retire!
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An understandable mistake, is still a mistake. What part of that don't YOU get?
You posted the video in the first place as some kind of example of how blacks just get randomly pulled over and are a target of police abuse.
Sorry, in this case the guy had something in his hands, a mobile phone. He pointed it around and it clearly looked like he was intimidating the officers with it.
They had every reason to suspect that the guy had a gun and was threatening to use it.
So the bullets were justifiable.
You're just too funny with your backtracking. Why don't you just admit you were wrong instead of coming across as a total buffon?
BTW, I'm certainly no fan of police brutality and I think there have been many good examples of how the US police use force WITHOUT reason.
I also believe there are plenty of examples where blacks have been unfair targets.
This was not such a case.
They had a reason – there was a very good possibility that the guy was carrying a gun and was about to use it.
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You posted the video in the first place as some kind of example of how blacks just get randomly pulled over and are a target of police abuse.
Sorry, in this case the guy had something in his hands, a mobile phone. He pointed it around and it clearly looked like he was intimidating the officers with it.
They had every reason to suspect that the guy had a gun and was threatening to use it.
So the bullets were justifiable.
You're just too funny with your backtracking. Why don't you just admit you were wrong instead of coming across as a total buffon?
BTW, I'm certainly no fan of police brutality and I think there have been many good examples of how the US police use force WITHOUT reason.
I also believe there are plenty of examples where blacks have been unfair targets.
This was not such a case.
They had a reason – there was a very good possibility that the guy was carrying a gun and was about to use it.
Actually Hedge, I posted that as an example of one guy, they didn't fail to stop.
I understand the cop was in fear for his life, ...othewise he wouldn't have ducked, ...unless he's like some tin foil hatters who believe a cell phone sucks the jewels out of your brain. What I'm saying is that this was an example of a cop so hopped up over something so minor as running a red light, that they have to approach a guy with their guns drawn. Geez Louise... write a ticket... send it to him in the mail. You got a dash cam, ...you know his license plate, Seriously! That's why some departments ban high speed chases in some cases. The risk to innocent life is just not worth it when weighed against the actual infraction. Then cops are so amped up with adrenaline... no one is seeing straight, ...and an innocent man dies... over a cell phone, ...and a potentially good man is traumatized by the knowledge he took an innocent life. It's just not worth it.
Some cops are too fucked up to care, ...but for some shooting an innocent, or even close calls are traumatic.
A few years back, we had a low budget MOW try to cut costs, by skirting location permits. They were shooting a scene, ...a late night convenience store robbery. A neighbour walking their dog, saw the lights on, and a guy pointing a gun, and called police. Cops arrived on the scene and almost shot the actor holding the gun. When that cop realized how close he came to killing an innocent kid... he had to go through counseling. I'm not sure if the actor sued... I heard he was talking about it. He was pretty traumatized to find an amped up cop with a gun in his face. The Actors union went after production in a big way. Had they filed the proper permits, and hired all the requisite personnel, the cops would have known it was just a film shoot.
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Actually Hedge, I posted that as an example of one guy, they didn't fail to stop.
I understand the cop was in fear for his life, ...othewise he wouldn't have ducked, ...unless he's like some tin foil hatters who believe a cell phone sucks the jewels out of your brain. What I'm saying is that this was an example of a cop so hopped up over something so minor as running a red light, that they have to approach a guy with their guns drawn. Geez Louise... write a ticket... send it to him in the mail. You got a dash cam, ...you know his license plate, Seriously! That's why some departments ban high speed chases in some cases. The risk to innocent life is just not worth it when weighed against the actual infraction. Then cops are so amped up with adrenaline... no one is seeing straight, ...and an innocent man dies... over a cell phone, ...and a potentially good man is traumatized by the knowledge he took an innocent life. It's just not worth it.
HE GOT OUT OF HIS FUCKING CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU DONT DO THAT...........
He got out with something in his had pushed the cop away when he tried to restrain him, walked away from them with his hands out of sight and turned and pointed something at the cop...Again jag is this how you are taught to act with the police? if he had stayed in his car and done what they said he'd still be alive, it doesnt matter that he had cheated on his wife and got caught none of that matters. The cops didnt do anything wrong here all the blame here lies with the guy who got shot.
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Some cops are too fucked up to care, ...but for some shooting an innocent, or even close calls are traumatic.
A few years back, we had a low budget MOW try to cut costs, by skirting location permits. They were shooting a scene, ...a late night convenience store robbery. A neighbour walking their dog, saw the lights on, and a guy pointing a gun, and called police. Cops arrived on the scene and almost shot the actor holding the gun. When that cop realized how close he came to killing an innocent kid... he had to go through counseling. I'm not sure if the actor sued... I heard he was talking about it. He was pretty traumatized to find an amped up cop with a gun in his face. The Actors union went after production in a big way. Had they filed the proper permits, and hired all the requisite personnel, the cops would have known it was just a film shoot.
Hahahah... It happened again today. Our OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) took down an entire out-of-town film crew.
Motorists started flooding 911 with calls. They could see the outline of guns through the tinted windows of a Hummer. the OPP showed up, handcuffed the film crew, searched all the vehicles, found no real guns, uncuffed the crew, and sent them on their way.
When are these guys going to learn? Especially in scenes involving guns... you don't skirt location permits. notify the cops and residents AHEAD OF TIME! The entire crew was handcuffed facedown on the pavement. Hahaha! That'll teach em. That prod mgr is going to be encountering a real hostile work environment for the next little while. LOL
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Can anyone still defend this mess, at this point?
Perhaps feeling guilty for referring to ‘birthers’ as ‘cranks’ recently, Ann Coulter made the absurd case to Larry King that police don’t stop enough African-Americans.
Partial transcript
COULTER: In fact, I have been — at least in the initial crankiness by Professor Gates, I’ve been somewhat of a defender of his, in as much as I’m someone who travels a lot. I get a lot of — I get cranky, too, especially after a long trip from China.
What can’t be defended, I think, is the next 48 hours, the next week, when he could calm down and think, oh boy, I over-reacted. Wish I hadn’t done that. But I think that is a problem. Both aggrieved minorities and aggrieved females are told to take every slight, interpret everything as it’s because your black. It’s because you’re a woman. I don’t think that’s good for blacks or females. I don’t think it’s good for the rest of the country.
And there is one thing I’d like to say about the studies on racial profiling, and even the Bush administration coming out with them. The Bush administration itself suppressed a study that disproved eight billion racial profiling studies about the New Jersey State Troopers. There was a scientific study setting up cameras of people speeding. It turns out New Jersey State Troopers, by scientific evidence that was — the Bush administration kept rejecting and rejecting — were stopping, if anything, not enough blacks.
they DO need to stop more of them...jay walking, cuttin people off, driving while doing blackberry, yappin on the phone, buying crack, drunk drivin, gun runnin, the list goes on and on. white people dont do this shit.