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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Stavios on August 20, 2009, 03:00:59 PM
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hey bitches
i have been on for a few months so I was thinking about going "off" for a few months also, maybe until febuary or so.
so I'll bridge with insulin to retain my muscle mass and 25 mcg of t3 to prevent me from becoming a fat ass.
i am also training for strenght but since i have been training for strenght the whole summer I'll do 2 weeks of high reps to let my joints heal and then 4 weeks of hypertrophy (8-12) than I'll train for strenght for another 2 months.
hopefully I will be able to maintain my mass while getting stronger.
what do you bitches think ?
(I know if i want results I should stay "on" all the time but I'll do that after i have kids)
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oh, I will also take cialis once in a while for the first 2-3 months, I want to keep my gf ;D
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In theory that type of "bridge" sounds like it would work, but chances are, you will see a decrease in your energy levels (especially with Insulin and T3)- I wouldnt count on having a strength phase too soon after just coming off.
The Cialis might be a good idea, but the T3 can kill a hard-on quick- so beware.
You will have to fight mentally to maintain your gym activities when you are off. Maybe a couple extra GFs and some good porn will help you throughout the "off" period.
Good luck mang!
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keep your gh going during the bridge, dude.
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keep your gh going during the bridge, dude.
I stopped the HGH a month ago, lack of $$$
shit is expensive here
dyslexic: for some reason I am way more letargic while being "on" usually ! I will keep you guys updated
I tought the strenght phase would help me keep some muscle
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How come so much time off?
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Coming off is a bitch best success I had was with straight clomid and some Lr3 igf. Who knows if it was even real but I maintained gains and strength. My cycle was only 12 weeks long though maybe I didn't shut down that hard
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Stavios
Look up some of the Westside Theories on powerlifting. Using bands, chains, etc. When I come off, I stick with a lot of stuff they teach, and strength stays pretty good. Some of it is wild compared to what bodybuilders traditionally do, but it works very well. Just be careful and pay attention to what your body tells you as far as aches and pains.
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:D
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^wow.
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Efferding is fucked up !!!!!
that's fucking strong.
Van, what's the norm when we talk about strenght gain ?
dead, squat and bench, how many pounds can a "normal" dude gain on those lift in 1 year ?
like 50-75 lbs ?
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those guys are fuckin monsters
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"Never start dieting in the recovery stage (after cycle) it will strip you of your hard earned tissue"....
Is this statement true?
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Efferding is fucked up !!!!!
that's fucking strong.
Van, what's the norm when we talk about strenght gain ?
dead, squat and bench, how many pounds can a "normal" dude gain on those lift in 1 year ?
like 50-75 lbs ?
Efferding would beat Johnnie and White easily is my guess, and he's an IFBB Pro now.
It's impossible to say. :P Depends on how advanced you are. When you get in a certain range, which is different for everybody, gains slow down and every pound is hard fought. For example, look at Johnnie Jackson. He pulled 814lbs, IIRC, as an amateur bodybuilder and hasn't been able to beat that mark since. Although he tried. But say you're squatting or pulling an "average" 500lbs you might even put 100lbs on them in a year if you've never been a "weight conscious" lifter before.
I know even as a natural you can keep gaining well into your 40s or even 50s, but it's hard work (Ronnie should go into powerlifting instead!). I know some lifetime natural powerlifters who were stalled in a lift for years but kept hammering away and then it suddenly jumped 20-30lbs. Takes lots of blood, sweat and even tears. :D
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"Never start dieting in the recovery stage (after cycle) it will strip you of your hard earned tissue"....
Is this statement true?
why would you reduce your calories and up your cardio after coming off of a cycle......when you come off the sauce you need to up your calories and cut back your cardio and sets in the gym..
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Efferding would beat Johnnie and White easily is my guess, and he's an IFBB Pro now.
It's impossible to say. :P Depends on how advanced you are. When you get in a certain range, which is different for everybody, gains slow down and every pound is hard fought. For example, look at Johnnie Jackson. He pulled 814lbs, IIRC, as an amateur bodybuilder and hasn't been able to beat that mark since. Although he tried. But say you're squatting or pulling an "average" 500lbs you might even put 100lbs on them in a year if you've never been a "weight conscious" lifter before.
I know even as a natural you can keep gaining well into your 40s or even 50s, but it's hard work (Ronnie should go into powerlifting instead!). I know some lifetime natural powerlifters who were stalled in a lift for years but kept hammering away and then it suddenly jumped 20-30lbs. Takes lots of blood, sweat and even tears. :D
powerlifting seems much more intense and challenging than bodybuilding !
I would love to train with the westside barbell dudes :o
2 of my bodybuilding friends are being trained in Colorado for an experiment by Biotest with Christian Thibodeau, Dave Tate is also part of the project I think.
their workout look cool as fuck, they did a lot of powerlifting for their prep for the canadian nationals
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Stavios comming off will be fine, you are young. Keep training and eating enough protien, not some BB contest diet but good solid food not alot of sugary junk. Maybe a stint of PL training while you are off is just the ticket to keep up enthusiasm and make some actual gains. I dont really think you need to use insulin and T-3 while off but its your choice. Yes you wanna be able to have kids but you also wanna be healthy so you can take care of them and enjoy life later. Keep it simple man let your body rest and know that this time off is just part of the plan.
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Stavios comming off will be fine, you are young. Keep training and eating enough protien, not some BB contest diet but good solid food not alot of sugary junk. Maybe a stint of PL training while you are off is just the ticket to keep up enthusiasm and make some actual gains. I dont really think you need to use insulin and T-3 while off but its your choice. Yes you wanna be able to have kids but you also wanna be healthy so you can take care of them and enjoy life later. Keep it simple man let your body rest and know that this time off is just part of the plan.
words of wisdom right here 8)
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why would you reduce your calories and up your cardio after coming off of a cycle...that statement is completely false...when you come off the sauce you need to up your calories and cut back your cardio and sets in the gym..
Why? To burn fat! So, how and when you suppose to burn fat gained during the cycle?
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Why? To burn fat! So, how and when you suppose to burn fat gained during the cycle?
Have you ever heard of cutting cycle ;D
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burning fat is not a great idea when you come off
the main idea is to try to maintain as much as possible
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Why? To burn fat! So, how and when you suppose to burn fat gained during the cycle?
my point to koszhuk is that you shouldnt reduce your calories when coming off of a cycle...that is the time to up your calories...lower your sets and cut back on cardio...but hey go ahead and do that and see how fast you lose all your gains...
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My last shot was august 15, can I start taking my hcg right now ? with Novedex XT, I heard it was good for PCT.
I think I will also take 3g of tribulus per day
added the slin this week as for 2 weeks I am doing sets of 15-20 with short rest to let my tendons heal a bit.
it filled me out a lot 8)
weight is 230 lbs right now in the gym with clothes on, I'll try not to drop under 220 lbs 8)
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Sure you can start taking your hcg right now, infact i think it's a good idea...
And i agree with tstmaniac that when you have just finished a cycle the last thing you want to do is to start cutting... I mean why spend a lot of money, time and effort to get big and immediately piss it all away... I understand the fat burning, but it would a good idea to be on at least something to minimize the muscle loss...
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any way you could use a lower dose gh with the slin and small amount of t3? i wouldnt use the t3 with out gh and maybe use a clen instead so that way it doesnt waste too much muscle
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bridging is a waste of time, when your gonna come off...just come off. Keep training and eating and you'll be fine, of coarse your gonna loose some strength and weight, but that's part of the deal my friend. (JMO)
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If your a competitor and you cant afford to lose size bridging is def not a waste of time. Also its healthier for you to bridge than it is to continue to go on and off all the time. Your only going to get away with shutting your self down and restarting before something breaks for good. Tbombz is completely correct here, if you want pro size get on and stay on. When your body needs a break get on a TRT dose and bridge until its time to grow again.
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The more you train natural the better you look on steroids...fuckin sucks I gotta come off in 4 weeks...each time I get a little better muscle shape in size..hoping to keep some decent gains this time around
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If your a competitor and you cant afford to lose size bridging is def not a waste of time. Also its healthier for you to bridge than it is to continue to go on and off all the time. Your only going to get away with shutting your self down and restarting before something breaks for good. Tbombz is completely correct here, if you want pro size get on and stay on. When your body needs a break get on a TRT dose and bridge until its time to grow again.
yeah honnestly, if I already had kids I would stay "on" all the time.
but until then I like to come off once in a while, I am too scared about getting infertile
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yeah honnestly, if I already had kids I would stay "on" all the time.
but until then I like to come off once in a while, I am too scared about getting infertile
I have that same fear...thats why i cycle on and off and post cycle aggressively..
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I'll have my sperm count and things like that taken in 3-4 weeks, hope everything will be fine.
pretty sure my natural test will be veeeeeeeeeeery low tho.
I always feel like shit for 3 months when I go off, then i feel better again
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If your a competitor and you cant afford to lose size bridging is def not a waste of time. Also its healthier for you to bridge than it is to continue to go on and off all the time. Your only going to get away with shutting your self down and restarting before something breaks for good. Tbombz is completely correct here, if you want pro size get on and stay on. When your body needs a break get on a TRT dose and bridge until its time to grow again.
Totally agree. Some people i know are all over the place with thier use of AAS, on for 8 weeks off for 2, on for 12 weeks off for 4 just yo-yoing up and down like that and never even recovering natty production anyhow. so whats the point? If you are gonna come off you need to be off ALL hormone drugs and ALL pct drugs. That is the only way you can return to normal. And it aint gonna take 4-6 weeks if you have been on for a while or screwing around like the yo-yo crowd. Give it 6 months maybe a year. Damn a big long cycle of test e will take well over a month just to clear your system all the way
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Totally agree. Some people i know are all over the place with thier use of AAS, on for 8 weeks off for 2, on for 12 weeks off for 4 just yo-yoing up and down like that and never even recovering natty production anyhow. so whats the point? If you are gonna come off you need to be off ALL hormone drugs and ALL pct drugs. That is the only way you can return to normal. And it aint gonna take 4-6 weeks if you have been on for a while or screwing around like the yo-yo crowd. Give it 6 months maybe a year. Damn a big long cycle of test e will take well over a month just to clear your system all the way
damn :-\
usually I do a 7-8 month cycle, then off for 4-5 months afterward (if I compete, which is pretty much every year)
I won't compete for the next 2-3 years so I'll have to change my way of cycling :-\
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If your a competitor and you cant afford to lose size bridging is def not a waste of time. Also its healthier for you to bridge than it is to continue to go on and off all the time. Your only going to get away with shutting your self down and restarting before something breaks for good. Tbombz is completely correct here, if you want pro size get on and stay on. When your body needs a break get on a TRT dose and bridge until its time to grow again.
The only people i know of who can't afford to lose size are pro's or highly ranked national competitors...which isn't what we're talking about is it ??, they would only make up a small, very small %. As far as bridging is concerned, if you don't come off, then it's not bridging, it's just lowering the dose which is just some clever name some guru or gym rat came up with years ago. As for health...who really knows ??, that would be depend on several things, genetics, dosage, lifestyle, eating habits etc. anyway just my thoughts, but most guys that lift weights and even for the few that decide to compete don't need to concern themselves with how much size and strength their gonna lose after they come off...think how much stronger and bigger they've gotten since using the drug or drugs in the first place. I guarantee you'll be stronger and bigger regardless if you bridge or not and if you're not stronger and bigger than when you started...then you might wanna give up lifting weights and find a new hobbie. Sorry to rant like this, but i just think bodybuilding has gotten off track in the last 20 years or so, people make it more complicated than it is. Don't get me wrong i definitely think there are several things one can do to retain more of the new acquired muscle and strength, but staying on isn't the answer. (JMO)
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damn :-\
usually I do a 7-8 month cycle, then off for 4-5 months afterward (if I compete, which is pretty much every year)
I won't compete for the next 2-3 years so I'll have to change my way of cycling :-\
Bro 4 or 5 months is a pretty good break. only way to tell if you are really back to normal would be blood work. Your method is moderate and not bad. Just dont see it allowing max progress if thats what you are after.
Also if worried about sterility look into having some tadpoles frozen for future use.
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Bro 4 or 5 months is a pretty good break. only way to tell if you are really back to normal would be blood work. Your method is moderate and not bad. Just dont see it allowing max progress if thats what you are after.
Also if worried about sterility look into having some tadpoles frozen for future use.
yeah man, I am definitly doing this just before going back on during the winter !
I won't tell my girl about it because she will freak out and think I just want to go all out on the sauce, and that's not the case.
as I get older, I just want to take as much precautions as I can
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yeah honnestly, if I already had kids I would stay "on" all the time.
but until then I like to come off once in a while, I am too scared about getting infertile
X2, the unknown sucks.
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so say someone has been cycling for few years straight, using a bridge every so often but wants to have kids, what is the best way after a long run to make this happen?
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so say someone has been cycling for few years straight, using a bridge every so often but wants to have kids, what is the best way after a long run to make this happen?
well best bet would be to get sperm count checked. If thats off then see a fertility specialist about treatment. The woman has to be able to have children also as lot's of times this can also be the problem.
Bigger question is are you ready to have kids? Be sure you know what you are getting yourself into from all angles and it will be comming from everywhere. Also and once you have them I will say this in advance.....it's been nice knowing you and on behalf of your gym buddies I will say the same for them to you too. ;)
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hahA def not ready right now but i am young like stav so im looking down the road
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haha only 3 weeks since my last injection and I am starting to feel like shit already, even with HCG.
-Brutal acnee break-out on my upper back/rear delts (like it does everytime I go off, or if I use too much androgens)
-Nuts are starting to get bigger but my libido is already starting to drop
-Smoother
-Less lethargic (I am always tired when on roids, I have more energy when I am clean)
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haha only 3 weeks since my last injection and I am starting to feel like shit already, even with HCG.
-Brutal acnee break-out on my upper back/rear delts (like it does everytime I go off, or if I use too much androgens)
-Nuts are starting to get bigger but my libido is already starting to drop
-Smoother
-Less lethargic (I am always tired when on roids, I have more energy when I am clean)
This is exactly why I recommend running HCG during the cycle and not after as it makes recovery so much smoother. Plus tapering down the dosage helps me avoid acne when coming off, and will probably work for you. Start running benadryl, and this will prob also help with the acne.
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I'll try it !!!
fucking acne.....
the whole spring: VERY high doses of primo and anavar = not a fucking zit
this spring while bulking up: pretty much only high dose of test with a little anadrol = a bit of zits here and there
now: off = my back looks digusting :-\
I'll try the benadryl for sure if it can help !
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its crazy how our bodies can get used to being on. but when we remove that foreign substance our bodies get thrown completely out of wack. i get acne when i come off. body soap with benzyl peroxide helps. and you can get tetracycline for dirt cheap also. 1000mg per day helps. but if they are cystic volcanoes you just have to deal with them (or take the plunge with accutane)
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Sauna also helps if you have bad acne, obviously it's not a miracle cure or anything like that, but it will keep you "cleaner" and therefore helps with the acne because you sweat so much of the shit OFF your body, gives the kidneys a break too. Also i think that the Benadryl is a good idea, hands down the best allergy medication out there (at least for me.)
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i agree, try taking some benadryl
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I see your point not to go on cutting cycle right after bulking cycle. Does it mean your cutting cycle should right before bulking?
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I see your point not to go on cutting cycle right after bulking cycle. Does it mean your cutting cycle should right before bulking?
You can do a cutting cycle soon after you've done a mass cycle, but you should NEVER cut down naturally right after a bulking cycle since you are already catabolic and will only make it worse...
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im not worried about losing the potential to have kids for a few reason (a chance of having kids while on cycle (b chance youo neve fully shtu yourself down (c chance you recover afte being fully shutdown (d hcg and hmg even if not full recovery (e even if all the above fail, there is still new science out there that has the capability of producing a kid from your dna abd your wifes in a laboratory
as far as strategies go... it think staying on is good.. but instead of the traditional blast and cruise i think its better to just stay on a moderate dose for longer periods of time... you wont need to go as high this way... for example... you could do 6 weeks on 6 weeks off going back and forth between 1750mgs and 250mgs... or you could go 750mgs non stop.... which is probably gonna be better for you ? i think 750 ...
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good post bro.
unfortunately, I have the mentally of more is better :-\
seems to me that if I stayed on 750mg, to body would aclimate itself to that dose and it wouldn't be effective after a while.
not super scientific, but that's how I feel when I stay on for a while.
when I go off, I lose some muscle, they I go back on again and I get bigger than I was before I stopped after only a few weeks.
don't know man, it's trial and error in this game :-\
but I think the best I can do is to stop dieting and just get big even if I get a little pudgy, because we both know that every day I will spend in a caloric deficit will be a fucking waste of time !
right now I am off and 230lbs, little smooth.
I think I need to get to AT LEAST 260lbs before I diet again or else I will always look the same
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good post bro.
unfortunately, I have the mentally of more is better :-\
seems to me that if I stayed on 750mg, to body would aclimate itself to that dose and it wouldn't be effective after a while.
not super scientific, but that's how I feel when I stay on for a while.
when I go off, I lose some muscle, they I go back on again and I get bigger than I was before I stopped after only a few weeks.
don't know man, it's trial and error in this game :-\
but I think the best I can do is to stop dieting and just get big even if I get a little pudgy, because we both know that every day I will spend in a caloric deficit will be a fucking waste of time !
right now I am off and 230lbs, little smooth.
I think I need to get to AT LEAST 260lbs before I diet again or else I will always look the same
i hear you man. i feel the same way about the doseages becoming ineffective...but i also notice that this seems to be due to diet, and i can start gaining just as quick as long as a bumb up my carb intake to match the increase in muscle size
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I think when I start back in january I'll do short cycles
always 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off with short esters
probably test and tren, what do you think Dizzle ??
I have had tren dick before but I want to try again with 1g test
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i think test and tren is the best possible cycle, with the possible addition of dbol and or halotestin.
test= natural to body for good mood and sex dive plus estrogen for optimal growth
tren= strongest steroid for growth, awesome aggression, keeps you lean
halotestin and dbol= awesome for pre workout intensity and strength
6 weeks by 6 weeks sounds okay. but if you wanna do short cycles id do 8 weeks, that kind of makes more sense to me...as after 8 weeks myostatin rises, then goes back down after 20 weeks.... so if your doing short cycles less than 20 weeks, it would make sense to get the full 8 weeks out of it before myostatin increased on you...
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i think test and tren is the best possible cycle, with the possible addition of dbol and or halotestin.
test= natural to body for good mood and sex dive plus estrogen for optimal growth
tren= strongest steroid for growth, awesome aggression, keeps you lean
halotestin and dbol= awesome for pre workout intensity and strength
6 weeks by 6 weeks sounds okay. but if you wanna do short cycles id do 8 weeks, that kind of makes more sense to me...as after 8 weeks myostatin rises, then goes back down after 20 weeks.... so if your doing short cycles less than 20 weeks, it would make sense to get the full 8 weeks out of it before myostatin increased on you...
really ?
so out of 20 weeks I could only grow for the first 8 weeks ?
it sucks !
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really ?
so out of 20 weeks I could only grow for the first 8 weeks ?
it sucks !
i would not say that you could not grow from weeks 8-20... but its going to be much tougher, as during that period myostatin is elevated.
weeks 1-8, and weeks 20+ are all prime for growth.
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i would not say that you could not grow from weeks 8-20... but its going to be much tougher, as during that period myostatin is elevated.
weeks 1-8, and weeks 20+ are all prime for growth.
so one could do
8 week mass gaining phase, then diet for the next 12 weeks to lose some bodyfat, than go on a mass gaining phase again 8)
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so one could do
8 week mass gaining phase, then diet for the next 12 weeks to lose some bodyfat, than go on a mass gaining phase again 8)
for sure
well, you could do this=
1. 8 weeks bulking phase high dose aas
2. 8 weeks cutting phase 250mg/week
3. 8 weeks cutting phase high dose aas + high dose t3 and other thermos
4. 8 weeks bulking phase 250mg/week
1. 8 weeks bulking phase high dose aas
2....etc etc
or, your could do 8 weeks bulking, then cut slowly till week 20, then continue bulking.
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I think when I start back in january I'll do short cycles
always 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off with short esters
probably test and tren, what do you think Dizzle ??
I have had tren dick before but I want to try again with 1g test
Agree with you on the effectiveness of shorter cycles, it makes sense.
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I think when I start back in january I'll do short cycles
always 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off with short esters
probably test and tren, what do you think Dizzle ??
I have had tren dick before but I want to try again with 1g test
Dont like it one bit.
If your off the gas you are coasting, on you are accelerating.
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Dont like it one bit.
If your off the gas you are coasting, on you are accelerating.
so you are suggesting I stay on all the time ?
I will after I have kids.
for now I prefer taking breaks !
my biggest mistakes since I started juicing/competing
- Dieting down too often
- not training heavy enough
- staying on for too long (I really feel it gets innefective after a while, like Tbombz said maybe it's because of the myostatin raise)
I feel I always grow by "burst".
like I will look the same for 3-4 months, then boom for 3-4 weeks without changing anything it seems like I gain weight again.