1. Whomever Flex/AMI has decided should win this year (Phil Heath);
2. Whomever Muscletech has decided should be second this year (Dexter Jackson);
3. Whomever Jim Manion likes the most and thinks should be 3rd (Jay Cutler);
4. Whomever Steve Weinberger likes the most and thinks should be 4th (Victor Martinez);
5. Whomever Steve Blechman thinks should win but won't (Kai Greene);
6. Whomever Steve Blechman thinks should get second because he is so powerful but he's not (Dennis Wolf);
7. Whomever Lee Thompson likes the most and thinks should be 5th, but Blechman sponsors more events (Branch Warren);
8. Whomever John Lindsay likes the most and does the most West Coast favors for (Melvin Anthony);
9. Whomever placed 5th last year as they fade into obscurity and become a footnote (Toney Freeman);
10. Whomever the judges feel should place 5th, but due to politics will be placed 10th (Ronnie Coleman).
1. Whomever Flex/AMI has decided should win this year (Phil Heath);
2. Whomever Muscletech has decided should be second this year (Dexter Jackson);
3. Whomever Jim Manion likes the most and thinks should be 3rd (Jay Cutler);
4. Whomever Steve Weinberger likes the most and thinks should be 4th (Victor Martinez);
5. Whomever Steve Blechman thinks should win but won't (Kai Greene);
6. Whomever Steve Blechman thinks should get second because he is so powerful but he's not (Dennis Wolf);
7. Whomever Lee Thompson likes the most and thinks should be 5th, but Blechman sponsors more events (Branch Warren);
8. Whomever John Lindsay likes the most and does the most West Coast favors for (Melvin Anthony);
9. Whomever placed 5th last year as they fade into obscurity and become a footnote (Toney Freeman);
10. Whomever the judges feel should place 5th, but due to politics will be placed 10th (Ronnie Coleman).
Ronnie coleman isnt competing thoughthe point was made though :)
Ronnie coleman isnt competing though
1. Whomever Flex/AMI has decided should win this year (Phil Heath);
2. Whomever Muscletech has decided should be second this year (Dexter Jackson);
3. Whomever Jim Manion likes the most and thinks should be 3rd (Jay Cutler);
4. Whomever Steve Weinberger likes the most and thinks should be 4th (Victor Martinez);
5. Whomever Steve Blechman thinks should win but won't (Kai Greene);
6. Whomever Steve Blechman thinks should get second because he is so powerful but he's not (Dennis Wolf);
7. Whomever Lee Thompson likes the most and thinks should be 5th, but Blechman sponsors more events (Branch Warren);
8. Whomever John Lindsay likes the most and does the most West Coast favors for (Melvin Anthony);
9. Whomever placed 5th last year as they fade into obscurity and become a footnote (Toney Freeman);
10. Whomever the judges feel should place 5th, but due to politics will be placed 10th (Ronnie Coleman).
I bet that list is DEAD ON. The Olympia is the biggest bullshit contest of the year.QFT.
1. Whomever Flex/AMI has decided should win this year (Phil Heath);
2. Whomever Muscletech has decided should be second this year (Dexter Jackson);
3. Whomever Jim Manion likes the most and thinks should be 3rd (Jay Cutler);
4. Whomever Steve Weinberger likes the most and thinks should be 4th (Victor Martinez);
5. Whomever Steve Blechman thinks should win but won't (Kai Greene);
6. Whomever Steve Blechman thinks should get second because he is so powerful but he's not (Dennis Wolf);
7. Whomever Lee Thompson likes the most and thinks should be 5th, but Blechman sponsors more events (Branch Warren);
8. Whomever John Lindsay likes the most and does the most West Coast favors for (Melvin Anthony);
9. Whomever placed 5th last year as they fade into obscurity and become a footnote (Toney Freeman);
10. Whomever the judges feel should place 5th, but due to politics will be placed 10th (Ronnie Coleman).
QFT.the executive producer wants to make money
Why we debate about this shit is beyond me. It's 100% scripted and pre-digested.
- Block!
if it's not photoshopped
QFT.
Why we debate about this shit is beyond me. It's 100% scripted and pre-digested.
- Block!
Let's get this straight, the judges are point blank told how to place the guys? Or are the scores changed when they are turned in? Who exactly are the shot callers who decide the winner? Is it the head sponsor? Or AMI? Weider?Well, they have to give the head sponsor's athlete a high placing as a 'thank you' for production costs etc...
If it's just politics, why the hell did they give the title to Dexter? Makes no sense to me.
i got a bridge to sell someone ;DIs it the San Fransisco bridge? If so then I'll buy it. I want to paint it the rainbow gay pride colors. (no homo!)
im calling bullshit till the show is over, then we can discuss.
Is it the San Fransisco bridge? If so then I'll buy it. I want to paint it the rainbow gay pride colors. (no homo!)trying to hard here, blocky block block.
- Block!
QFT.
Why we debate about this shit is beyond me. It's 100% scripted and pre-digested.
- Block!
Are the scores changed? Yes. Absolutely. It's done in a way to cover their tracks in case a competitor wants to challenge anybody. They have the score cards to prove it.
So the judges themselves are not in on it?They do what they are told. Most judges feel so privlidged to be sitting at the judges table they will practically do anything to be a part of the network.
They do what they are told. Most judges feel so privlidged to be sitting at the judges table they will practically do anything to be a part of the network.
- Block!
They do what they are told. Most judges feel so privlidged to be sitting at the judges table they will practically do anything to be a part of the network.
- Block!
Are the scores changed? Yes. Absolutely. It's done in a way to cover their tracks in case a competitor wants to challenge anybody. They have the score cards to prove it.
It is all a big orchestrated buisness move.
- Block.
Is it the San Fransisco bridge? If so then I'll buy it. I want to paint it the rainbow gay pride colors. (no homo!)
- Block!
Actually block i think u might be right on this, i remember speaking to Jim last year when he was training King for the Atlantic City Pro. He said right before the finals someone came to king with a scoresheet and told him to get ready for the final posedown because he was in the top 5. So King was all pumped up, then out of nowhere someone tells him there was a "mistake" and he was actually in 6th and not 5th.oh brother to the queen kamali part ::)
But what happened to that old scorecard? all of the sudden it couldnt be found. But coincidentally 4 out of the 5 top athletes in that posedown were muscletech athletes, and two of them were ones who had yet to qualify for the olympia and did because of that show, which was the last of the year.
Now I know its King and he has a retardedly funky lookin physique, but he did look top five last year at that show. especially compared to joel stubbs who placed ahead of him, and only has half a body.
Do i think the IFBB is shady, of course I do, just look at Jay's 07 olympia win.
With so many involved in the conspiracy it would seem to me that it's hard to keep it secret, especially over time. I'm just curious as to how the fix is orchestrated in reality.
Who were the judges for the 2008 O for example? Hasn't Dorian judged a few?
Milos does claim Bob's Masters win was a fix. If he could bring hard proof it would ruin the IFBB. If all the judges are in on it one of them will talk eventually - that's what I think.
But then again, thousands of Jews were in on 9/11 and not one of them has talked yet. :D
There's three bridges around the SF Bay Area, more if you start reaching a bit farther out but not technically in the Bay Area.....The ones that is closest to the gayest part of the city. Lots of cool bars and clubs in those areas I want to check out. (no homo!)
Golden Gate Bridge, Richmond-San Rafael and the Bay Bridge.
Which would you like to choose?
The ones that is closest to the gayest part of the city. Lots of cool bars and clubs in those areas I want to check out. (no homo!)
- Block!
Im 45 min away from Frisco, cool town, full of bitches, great food, crazy people, and flaming homo's.u sound hot too honey
u sound hot too honey
Im not that hot, i just have a horse like cock. :-*
The ones that is closest to the gayest part of the city. Lots of cool bars and clubs in those areas I want to check out. (no homo!)
- Block!
Yeah, and when asked for proof...he mysteriously disappeared, as usual.
As for your "eventually, one will speak..."..LOL....when? Conspiracy theories and cries of "fix" have been around since the first Olympia in 65.....are you still waiting for one to come forward after 44 years?
I don't think judges are TOLD what to do.
They do what they THINK they need to do.
Special Ed belongs in the special olympics or gay olympics. He would fit in bothIs that right?
Is that right?
You are a one man gang bang,and you know what that means? You are a Wanker
And that is coming from a certified gay man... ::)Ive never had gay sex of any kind
I'm not waiting on anything as I'm not the one making the claim. What I'm saying is that if there is an overt fix like this it would be close to impossible to keep secret - too many people involved.
However, it's pretty apparent that Milos was right about Chua, he had been fixing contests for many years. But in this case it was apparently common knowledge - nothing was done about it is all.
Are pro contests outright fixed on US soil? I don't know. I'm inclined to think it's more that the judges are affected by the media like everyone else; who is hot right now and is promoted by the media is more likely to get a high placing. If Cutler had been a first time competitor in 2008 he likely would not have gotten 2nd. Judges assume he should be right up there since he won the prior year. They are blinded by the name.
I asked mike on musclemayhem about the politics and whether the judges are outright told what to do.
He said:
Tis post is a far cry from your first which I responded to...
Then I wasn't being clear. I said "Milos does claim..."
If the contests are fixed I don't see how it can be kept a secret.
Ive never had gay sex of any kind
Ive never wnted gay sex of any kind
I have sex with a girl,and always have fucked girls
But if it makes you feel better,or less fat,to call me gay then knock yourself out man
They're not, and there wont be anyone coming forward claiming they are as they don't exsist...
Not quite sure what you're trying to say...your first post seems to indicate that you agree that they are fixed and that EVENTUALLy someone will come forward....then you seem to take a step back from that stance....now you seem to agree that it's near impossible.
Perhaps I read your post wrong?
I've personally witnessed the head judge at an IFBB Pro show crossing out another judge's scores and putting in his own. It happened at the 2002 Night of Champions where I was sitting in the first row, directly behind the judges table. King Kamali's scores were being downgraded and Craig Titus's scores were being upgraded.
For anyone who hasn't personally witnessed this, one merely has to look at any of the "come from behind" Olympia victories...I mean sheesh, this isn't a horserace or a baseball game! When Cutler leads and Ronnie "overtakes him" or Victor leads and Cutler "surpasses him at the night show," what more do you need to see?
AMI/Weider DOES pre-select the winner because it is THEIR show - look at the signage:'Joe Weider's Mr. Olympia'. Would Steve Blechman 'let' Phil Heath win if the show was the MD Olympia and he couldn't use Phil's likeness or image for the next year in his magazines? Of course not.
Look at Dexter, who suddenly won the Olympia conveniently and immediately after he agreed to "jump" from MD to AMI/Weider.
Simply stated, Joe Weider and his legacy cannot and will not allow the Mr. Olympia title (that HE CREATED) to be used to EXCLUDE his own magazines from covering the winner. It's nothing more than common sense and capitalism. It's no more random than HALO WARS being an XBox exclusive.
HTH!
I've personally witnessed the head judge at an IFBB Pro show crossing out another judge's scores and putting in his own. It happened at the 2002 Night of Champions where I was sitting in the first row, directly behind the judges table. King Kamali's scores were being downgraded and Craig Titus's scores were being upgraded.
For anyone who hasn't personally witnessed this, one merely has to look at any of the "come from behind" Olympia victories...I mean sheesh, this isn't a horserace or a baseball game! When Cutler leads and Ronnie "overtakes him" or Victor leads and Cutler "surpasses him at the night show," what more do you need to see?
AMI/Weider DOES pre-select the winner because it is THEIR show - look at the signage:'Joe Weider's Mr. Olympia'. Would Steve Blechman 'let' Phil Heath win if the show was the MD Olympia and he couldn't use Phil's likeness or image for the next year in his magazines? Of course not.
Look at Dexter, who suddenly won the Olympia conveniently and immediately after he agreed to "jump" from MD to AMI/Weider.
Simply stated, Joe Weider and his legacy cannot and will not allow the Mr. Olympia title (that HE CREATED) to be used to EXCLUDE his own magazines from covering the winner. It's nothing more than common sense and capitalism. It's no more random than HALO WARS being an XBox exclusive.
HTH!
Yet Ronnie won while not on board as a Weider athlete,
Flex Wheeler always made the connection that Ronnie was with Met-Rx at the end of his contract, so while not being with Weider when Ronnie won, he was AVAILABLE to sign afterwords and we all know he did. But the first ads of Ronnie with an Olympia trophy showed him wearing a Met-Rx hat.
I think there are parts that seem to be true, but also other parts that are full of holes.
Mixing apples and grapefruits my friend. I am talking about the only business Weider has left, which is his magazines/Olympia. No one said anything about Weider supplements (if they're still around). And regarding Ultimate Nutrition...yes, a 15th place worthy Markus Ruhl will definitely make the top ten this year if UN is the title sponsor!
Phil is a MetRx athletes, but also a AMI athlete...
Muscletech isn't title sponsor this year, so I guess you can all throw out that angle...
Ultimate Nutrition is title sponsor, and has Markus Ruhl in the show....if he wins, now you got something...
Victor is with MHP and MD...if he wins, you guys REALLY dint have anything to say
Same with Kai Greene...
If Jay regains the title, then I guess its a AMI thing since you dint have MT to cry foul this year..
Dex repeating as the champ throws out your Phil fix scenario...but I guess you can still fall back on the AMI contract...
Allegedly,the fix was in back in 2001 when Jay was touted to beat Ronnie to boost ticket sales and set up a rematch....but Ronnie ended up winning....
Gunter beats Ronnie at the GNC SOS as he's supposed to go on to the Olympia Title....but he ends up losing there as well.
Flex Wheeler was all but declared the winner as a Weider athlete....but got beat by Ronnie who was with MetRx and nowhere near the top 5 the year before...
Ronnie was allegedly guaranteed victory number 9, but ended up losing to Cutler...
1. Whomever Flex/AMI has decided should win this year (Phil Heath);
2. Whomever Muscletech has decided should be second this year (Dexter Jackson);
3. Whomever Jim Manion likes the most and thinks should be 3rd (Jay Cutler);
4. Whomever Steve Weinberger likes the most and thinks should be 4th (Victor Martinez);
5. Whomever Steve Blechman thinks should win but won't (Kai Greene);
6. Whomever Steve Blechman thinks should get second because he is so powerful but he's not (Dennis Wolf);
7. Whomever Lee Thompson likes the most and thinks should be 5th, but Blechman sponsors more events (Branch Warren);
8. Whomever John Lindsay likes the most and does the most West Coast favors for (Melvin Anthony);
9. Whomever placed 5th last year as they fade into obscurity and become a footnote (Toney Freeman);
10. Whomever the judges feel should place 5th, but due to politics will be placed 10th (Ronnie Coleman).
I've personally witnessed the head judge at an IFBB Pro show crossing out another judge's scores and putting in his own. It happened at the 2002 Night of Champions where I was sitting in the first row, directly behind the judges table. King Kamali's scores were being downgraded and Craig Titus's scores were being upgraded.too bad special jay doesnt post here more often, cos he SPEAKS THE TRUTH!
For anyone who hasn't personally witnessed this, one merely has to look at any of the "come from behind" Olympia victories...I mean sheesh, this isn't a horserace or a baseball game! When Cutler leads and Ronnie "overtakes him" or Victor leads and Cutler "surpasses him at the night show," what more do you need to see?
AMI/Weider DOES pre-select the winner because it is THEIR show - look at the signage:'Joe Weider's Mr. Olympia'. Would Steve Blechman 'let' Phil Heath win if the show was the MD Olympia and he couldn't use Phil's likeness or image for the next year in his magazines? Of course not.
Look at Dexter, who suddenly won the Olympia conveniently and immediately after he agreed to "jump" from MD to AMI/Weider.
Simply stated, Joe Weider and his legacy cannot and will not allow the Mr. Olympia title (that HE CREATED) to be used to EXCLUDE his own magazines from covering the winner. It's nothing more than common sense and capitalism. It's no more random than HALO WARS being an XBox exclusive.
HTH!
Mixing apples and grapefruits my friend. I am talking about the only business Weider has left, which is his magazines/Olympia. No one said anything about Weider supplements (if they're still around)
You're right...no one did mention Weider supplements (which are 99% based in Europe)...so why did you?
. And regarding Ultimate Nutrition...yes, a 15th place worthy Markus Ruhl will definitely make the top ten this year if UN is the title sponsor!
LOL.....OK. Guess you can spin that however you want and justifys your position.
So if Markus looks great and is deserving of top 10, then it's because of UN sponsor dollars...
If he looks like he should be 15th and places 14th, you'll point the finger to the sponsor...
Again, the issue is black and white.
So if Bob could please answer this:
Do you honestly believe the judges would EVER turn over EXCLUSIVE control over the MR. OLYMPIA title to STEVE BLECHMAN and MUSCULAR DEVELOPMENT and leave FLEX Magazine with ZERO ability to interview, feature, or otherwise take non-contest photographs of Mr. Olympia for one or more years?
You put WAY to much emphasis to something that doesnt mean a hell of a lot....there is no "ecxclusive" these days...everyone does interviews (be it through supp ads or 3rd party) Jay had a "column" in MD for years even though he was under contract with AMI...Muscletech puts 14 page spreads/ ads in EVERY publication with titles of "How I won the Olympia", etc....
Jay/ Dex/ Phil, etc have all been on MD/MM/Ironman, etc numerous times...
My opinion: It has never happened. And it never will.
You're entitled to your opinion...and when it does happen...you'll be ready with yet another spin as to why.
BTW...I noticed you didnt have a chance to respond to my post you quoted, tackling the many conspiracies over the years (or lack therof)...I'm sure it was just an oversight
Has anyone seen Pumping Iron 2?
There is a scene where Ben Weider tells the judges to mark down competitors showing signs of being too muscular. That isn't influencing the judging? Some put Bev in 1st, some put her last.
As for Chick, he bitched and moaned when they wouldn't compare him to Titus (and being placed below him), despite saying every show he was compared to Titus he beat him. So there's nothing wrong with the judging Chick? ;)
Bob,
You brought up Weider supplements when you said that Ronnie Coleman wasn't with Weider when he won the O. Back then, Weider publishing was the only magazine that paid for exclusivity. Ronnie Coleman was NOT under contract with a competing magazine. And it should be noted that shortly after winning the O, Ronnie suddenly dumped Met-Rx and became a Weider-exclusive athlete. Was the deal between Coleman and Weider agreed to in principle BEFORE the 1998 Olympia just as the Dexter Jackson-AMI deal was agreed to PRIOR to Dexter winning the 2008 Olympia? Hmmm...
I appreciate your loyalty to the powerbrokers who have been good to you, but as I have said: I have seen Olympia judges (at non-Olympia shows) ALTERING SCORECARDS of other judges to achieve SPECIFIC RESULTS. That meets most peoples, gamblers, and casinos definition of 'fixing'.
Don't get me started on Dorian Yates. The guy became best buds with the Head Olympia judge, stayed at his house for two weeks prior to the O each year, and won the Olympia while missing an entire major bodypart in the biggest disgrace of Olympia 'competition' ever.
Anyway, if Markus Ruhl places out of the top ten this year, a Bob Bowl at the Firehouse is on me!
Who knows what you've seen...unless you were actually ON the judging panel, chances are, you didnt see what you thought....or.....you seen what you wanted to see,
This is vintage Manion sophistry to make the IFBB sound authentic. The IFBB patsy, stooge, and informer Bob Chick is recruited to save the Pro League.
Special Ed gives us an anecdotal report telling us what he saw. This is good enough for me. However, we should remain sceptical because Special Ed might have been mistaken about what he saw. He thought he saw a head judge cross out a score and replace it with his own. Yep, that sounds like what happens. The errant judge had to be corrected by the head judge. Bob calls Jim and asks what to post to discredit Special Ed. Voila, the quote above. This is the theatre of the absurd for sure.
We can imagine what happened in the Masters Pro. Poor Rusty was relegated to 8th and wasn't compared with the guys who won. Great to have mates who are running the contest you are in, right Chick?
Judging is subjective in BB and based on opinion, that said, what your talking about differs greatly in that complaining about lack of comparisons is a world away from "fixing " shows...and something I've campaigned for (and gotten approval) ever since...
Concerning Bev....Ben was the pres of the IFBB...giving direction as to what the criteria is suppossed to be, is expected and as Pres, he has every right to do so.
I dont recall Ben ever having any discussions as to SPECIFIC competitors being placed in any particular order...
Anyone is "available" AFTER their contract...
Of course there are holes, especially in all these ridiculous conspiracy theories...convenient when the guess is right, but explained away when the guess is wrong.
Phil is a MetRx athletes, but also a AMI athlete...
Muscletech isn't title sponsor this year, so I guess you can all throw out that angle...
Ultimate Nutrition is title sponsor, and has Markus Ruhl in the show....if he wins, now you got something...
Victor is with MHP and MD...if he wins, you guys REALLY dint have anything to say
Same with Kai Greene...
If Jay regains the title, then I guess its a AMI thing since you dint have MT to cry foul this year..
Dex repeating as the champ throws out your Phil fix scenario...but I guess you can still fall back on the AMI contract...
Allegedly,the fix was in back in 2001 when Jay was touted to beat Ronnie to boost ticket sales and set up a rematch....but Ronnie ended up winning....
Gunter beats Ronnie at the GNC SOS as he's supposed to go on to the Olympia Title....but he ends up losing there as well.
Flex Wheeler was all but declared the winner as a Weider athlete....but got beat by Ronnie who was with MetRx and nowhere near the top 5 the year before...
Ronnie was allegedly guaranteed victory number 9, but ended up losing to Cutler...
Right here Bob Chick abandons all credibility and joins the IFBB as hatchet man and errand boy. What a joke that 1983 contest was in Las Vegas. The contest fixing has been recorded for posterity. Ben clearly instructed the judges not to let Bev Francis win. Who else was he referring to when he mentioned muscularity? Bev never won the Ms Olympia no matter what she did.
The amusing thing is Bev would probably win now because of her association with Weinberger. There was hapless Steve lamenting Bev placing 8th in that contest won by Rachel McLish. Ben did a bad thing that day and women's bodybuilding has been corrupt ever since.
Ben was trying to preserve what FBB should have been about...he didnt have to mention anyone in particular, it was a LOOK they were going for, and Bev didnt fit the look.
You can see how well FBB has done sionce, basile, as they gradually allowed more muscular and freakier women to place higher and higher...sadly, you're too stupid to see the obvious
Bob, spare us the IFBB justification bullshit. Bev was the best female bodybuilder that day by far and they placed her 8th. That was a disgrace and travesty. Bev later tried the 'feminine' approach and still didn't win. The women's events are more corrupt than the mens and that is saying something.
Why offend those of us who are not biased and corrupt like Bob Chick is?
Bob,
You brought up Weider supplements when you said that Ronnie Coleman wasn't with Weider when he won the O. Back then, Weider publishing was the only magazine that paid for exclusivity. Ronnie Coleman was NOT under contract with a competing magazine. And it should be noted that shortly after winning the O, Ronnie suddenly dumped Met-Rx and became a Weider-exclusive athlete. Was the deal between Coleman and Weider agreed to in principle BEFORE the 1998 Olympia just as the Dexter Jackson-AMI deal was agreed to PRIOR to Dexter winning the 2008 Olympia? Hmmm...
I appreciate your loyalty to the powerbrokers who have been good to you, but as I have said: I have seen Olympia judges (at non-Olympia shows) ALTERING SCORECARDS of other judges to achieve SPECIFIC RESULTS. That meets most peoples, gamblers, and casinos definition of 'fixing'.
Don't get me started on Dorian Yates. The guy became best buds with the Head Olympia judge, stayed at his house for two weeks prior to the O each year, and won the Olympia while missing an entire major bodypart in the biggest disgrace of Olympia 'competition' ever.
Anyway, if Markus Ruhl places out of the top ten this year, a Bob Bowl at the Firehouse is on me!
Good thing Special Ed isn't a pro or he would be suspended for that allegation. I can imagine Steve doing that but not Bev. She must have been playing tic tac toe!
Good thing Special Ed isn't a pro or he would be suspended for that allegation. I can imagine Steve doing that but not Bev. She must have been playing tic tac toe!LOL!
Good thing Special Ed isn't a pro or he would be suspended for that allegation. I can imagine Steve doing that but not Bev. She must have been playing tic tac toe!It is possible that Bev and Steve were both playing Tic Tac Toe on the poor gentleman's scorecard...only using numbers instead of Xes and Os. Battleship, perhaps?
I was mistaken. The year was 2003, not 2002. The contest was the Night of Champions at the Beacon Theater. After much nagging, Wayne Demilia delivered us a pair of first row seats, directly behind the judges table. As the bodybuilders were being compared, I and a fellow longtime GB member leaned forward and snuck peeks at the scorecards. Sitting directly in front of me sat a young black judge, and on either side of him sat Steve Weinberger and the forementioned Bev Francis (Steve's wife). Both Steve and Bev took great interest in the middle guy's scoresheet, each of them reaching over at different times to cross off his numbers and insert their own onto his score sheet. I am pretty sure they weren't playing 'Guess my Age' or 'Tic Tac Toe'.
Incidentally, our very own Bob took 6th that evening behind Victor (in his first win), Pavel Jablonicky, Titus, Kamali, and JOJ. This show was notable primarily because not only were Kamali and Titus mocking each other on stage but Kelly Ryan and Barb Kamali were screaming at the tops of their lungs every time the two were on stage together. All together, it made for a pretty memorable prejudging and night show.
I still have a nice black and white photo I took of the top five, in which you can see the tops of the judges' heads in the forefront. But I'm sure the 'anti-conspiracy' theorist will probably claim it's been doctored by the Warren Commission.
Anyway, in all fairness and gayness, I don't really care that the show is fixed any more than I care if the Miss Universe is fixed. Like most schmoes, I'm there to look at the ebony and ivory moutains of salacious muscle, not bankrupt the Orleans Sportsbook, which for some strange reason won't take bets on the Olympia.
Dexter doesn't promote bodybuilding the way Jay did.
Either Jay or Phil would make better ambassadors than Dexter.
I was mistaken. The year was 2003, not 2002. The contest was the Night of Champions at the Beacon Theater. After much nagging, Wayne Demilia delivered us a pair of first row seats, directly behind the judges table. As the bodybuilders were being compared, I and a fellow longtime GB member leaned forward and snuck peeks at the scorecards. Sitting directly in front of me sat a young black judge, and on either side of him sat Steve Weinberger and the forementioned Bev Francis (Steve's wife). Both Steve and Bev took great interest in the middle guy's scoresheet, each of them reaching over at different times to cross off his numbers and insert their own onto his score sheet. I am pretty sure they weren't playing 'Guess my Age' or 'Tic Tac Toe'.
Incidentally, our very own Bob took 6th that evening behind Victor (in his first win), Pavel Jablonicky, Titus, Kamali, and JOJ. This show was notable primarily because not only were Kamali and Titus mocking each other on stage but Kelly Ryan and Barb Kamali were screaming at the tops of their lungs every time the two were on stage together. All together, it made for a pretty memorable prejudging and night show.
I still have a nice black and white photo I took of the top five, in which you can see the tops of the judges' heads in the forefront. But I'm sure the 'anti-conspiracy' theorist will probably claim it's been doctored by the Warren Commission.
Anyway, in all fairness and gayness, I don't really care that the show is fixed any more than I care if the Miss Universe is fixed. Like most schmoes, I'm there to look at the ebony and ivory moutains of salacious muscle, not bankrupt the Orleans Sportsbook, which for some strange reason won't take bets on the Olympia.
Chick is no chicken, but an ostrich...with his head burried deep in the sand. Hear no evil see no evil... ::)
Bob you are definetely a wonderful "company man" i have to give u that.Clearly, Chick has to fight what Ed is saying with all of his might because he also knows for a fact that all the 'IFBB Powerbrokers' are reading and studying this thread on an around the clock basis and his ass is on the line if he fails to deliver the 1st line of defense.
If Jim Manion reads these threads it must be funny as hell to hear his calls to his stooge, Bob, telling him what to do.
Imagine having to be the Pro League apologist on Getbig! Now that takes a special guy for sure. You need someone who
is totally loyal and who has no integrity at all. How about a cadet deputy sheriff? Yeah, that is the perfect candidate. Give
the dude some token power and you have a disciple for life.
Ok, so you're telling me that from the front row with enough room for people to pass between you and the judges seats...that you were able to "lean forward" enough to see what was being written on a paper, lying flat on the table....in front of the judges?? LOL....please.
As for the "judge in question"...was he actually judging, or test judging? Was he an alternate judge? Assuming he was a new judge (since you dont seem to know who he was given your vast knowledge.....) perhaps he was scoring in the wrong box, was scoring the wrong round, etc.....you have no idea what was being changed. As the highs and lows are thrown out, this ONE judges score wouldnt have amounted to much anyway. If he was way off, his score would have been dropped....if he was within a place, his score wouldnt need to be "changed"...
You say your "pretty sure", but in reality, you're just inserting what you want to...you of all people shoud know that, counselor. Speculation at best...like the 5 eye witnesses at a accident scene, somehow all seeing and swearing to completely DIFFERENT accounts of the same thing.
Keep on with your story though....it's certainly more entertaining than the truth
If Jim Manion reads these threads it must be funny as hell to hear his calls to his stooge, Bob, telling him what to do.Don`t you have a strangers funeral to crash or something?
Imagine having to be the Pro League apologist on Getbig! Now that takes a special guy for sure. You need someone who
is totally loyal and who has no integrity at all. How about a cadet deputy sheriff? Yeah, that is the perfect candidate. Give
the dude some token power and you have a disciple for life.
c) Dennis Wolf can put on a Nazi uniform and keep me in a barbed wire enclosure in Germany until Matt C liberates me.
According to Blockhead, he spoke with Chick at the Continental USA last night and asked Bob for his honest opinion about my Top Ten Olympia Predictions, to which Bob replied, "I know he's your friend but he's an idiot."
To which I make the following BOLD rebuttal proclamation: If an MD-endorsed bodybuilder (Kai Greene, Victor Martinez, or Dennis Wolf) win the Olympia this year without a prior agreement between AMI and MD to forgo exclusivity, then I will allow Bob to choose one of the following punishments:
a) Kai Greene can use my mouth or ass as a fruit prop for his next video;
b) Victor Martinez can use my New York office to stash ecstasy, gear, and meth for the next year;
c) Dennis Wolf can put on a Nazi uniform and keep me in a barbed wire enclosure in Germany until Matt C liberates me.
Deal or No Deal?
P.S. No homo!
Mostly read Captain America comics while posting on Getbig, waiting for the phone to ring for an audition to read for 'Meat Head #2'.
Just what is it you do in your "NY office"?
Mostly read Captain America comics while posting on Getbig, waiting for the phone to ring for an audition to read for 'Meat Head #2'.
Just kidding. I love you man!
Notice bob does not agree to the stipulation Special Ed offered. He knows that its impossible for a MD endorsed bb to win.
Mostly read Captain America comics while posting on Getbig, waiting for the phone to ring for an audition to read for 'Meat Head #2'.
Just kidding. I love you man!
Mostly read Captain America comics while posting on Getbig, waiting for the phone to ring for an audition to read for 'Meat Head #2'.
Just kidding. I love you man!
HAHAHA, owning of the year right there, poor Chick should go hang his head in shame for eternity after that one!haha yes!!
;)trophies were better back then it appears
Just what is it you do in your "NY office"?
According to Blockhead, he spoke with Chick at the Continental USA last night and asked Bob for his honest opinion about my Top Ten Olympia Predictions, to which Bob replied, "I know he's your friend but he's an idiot."
To which I make the following BOLD rebuttal proclamation: If an MD-endorsed bodybuilder (Kai Greene, Victor Martinez, or Dennis Wolf) win the Olympia this year without a prior agreement between AMI and MD to forgo exclusivity, then I will allow Bob to choose one of the following punishments:
a) Kai Greene can use my mouth or ass as a fruit prop for his next video;
b) Victor Martinez can use my New York office to stash ecstasy, gear, and meth for the next year;
c) Dennis Wolf can put on a Nazi uniform and keep me in a barbed wire enclosure in Germany until Matt C liberates me.
Deal or No Deal?
P.S. No homo!
HAHAHA, owning of the year right there, poor Chick should go hang his head in shame for eternity after that one!
trophies were better back then it appearsyes better than the cheap shit of today
According to Blockhead, he spoke with Chick at the Continental USA last night and asked Bob for his honest opinion about my Top Ten Olympia Predictions, to which Bob replied, "I know he's your friend but he's an idiot."
To which I make the following BOLD rebuttal proclamation: If an MD-endorsed bodybuilder (Kai Greene, Victor Martinez, or Dennis Wolf) win the Olympia this year without a prior agreement between AMI and MD to forgo exclusivity, then I will allow Bob to choose one of the following punishments:
a) Kai Greene can use my mouth or ass as a fruit prop for his next video;
b) Victor Martinez can use my New York office to stash ecstasy, gear, and meth for the next year;
c) Dennis Wolf can put on a Nazi uniform and keep me in a barbed wire enclosure in Germany until Matt C liberates me.
Deal or No Deal?
P.S. No homo!
Mostly read Captain America comics while posting on Getbig, waiting for the phone to ring for an audition to read for 'Meat Head #2'.LOL! thats awesome
Just kidding. I love you man!
According to Blockhead, he spoke with Chick at the Continental USA last night and asked Bob for his honest opinion about my Top Ten Olympia Predictions, to which Bob replied, "I know he's your friend but he's an idiot.";D now that was funny for once Ed.... especially the last one
To which I make the following BOLD rebuttal proclamation: If an MD-endorsed bodybuilder (Kai Greene, Victor Martinez, or Dennis Wolf) win the Olympia this year without a prior agreement between AMI and MD to forgo exclusivity, then I will allow Bob to choose one of the following punishments:
a) Kai Greene can use my mouth or ass as a fruit prop for his next video;
b) Victor Martinez can use my New York office to stash ecstasy, gear, and meth for the next year;
c) Dennis Wolf can put on a Nazi uniform and keep me in a barbed wire enclosure in Germany until Matt C liberates me.
Deal or No Deal?
P.S. No homo!
That's not exacly a time-limited punishment. If anything, Matt would be helping Dennis get the gas chambers fired up!
If not for the legal advice Special Ed gave me, I would be sitting in federal prison for assaulting a police officer as well as three other charges. Special Ed asked me questions via PM which the crown attorney would likely ask me during the trial and as a result I was very well prepared and was found not guilty.sometimes you get the elevator, somtimes the shaft
If not for the legal advice Special Ed gave me, I would be sitting in federal prison for assaulting a police officer as well as three other charges. Special Ed asked me questions via PM which the crown attorney would likely ask me during the trial and as a result I was very well prepared and was found not guilty.Are you saying you found a use for a jew that didn't require starter fluid and a lighter?
sometimes you get the elevator, somtimes the shaft
Are you saying you found a use for a jew that didn't require starter fluid and a lighter?
If not for the legal advice Special Ed gave me, I would be sitting in federal prison for assaulting a police officer as well as three other charges. Special Ed asked me questions via PM which the crown attorney would likely ask me during the trial and as a result I was very well prepared and was found not guilty.you got legal advise for free....how COLORED of you
Mostly read Captain America comics while posting on Getbig, waiting for the phone to ring for an audition to read for 'Meat Head #2'.
Just kidding. I love you man!
If not for the legal advice Special Ed gave me, I would be sitting in federal prison for assaulting a police officer as well as three other charges. Special Ed asked me questions via PM which the crown attorney would likely ask me during the trial and as a result I was very well prepared and was found not guilty.
If not for the legal advice Special Ed gave me, I would be sitting in federal prison for assaulting a police officer as well as three other charges. Special Ed asked me questions via PM which the crown attorney would likely ask me during the trial and as a result I was very well prepared and was found not guilty.Thunder Bay's baddest ass!?
If not for the legal advice Special Ed gave me, I would be sitting in federal prison for assaulting a police officer as well as three other charges. Special Ed asked me questions via PM which the crown attorney would likely ask me during the trial and as a result I was very well prepared and was found not guilty.
Seen Chick at Illinois St.charles continental contest , all jokes a side he seems like a good guy.that's what people said about jeffrey Dahmer too
woah what's the story with this?
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It wasn't Matt's fault. The police officer in question was a negro. Naturally, Matt assumed no way was this a real cop!
HAHAHA, owning of the year right there, poor Chick should go hang his head in shame for eternity after that one!
Yeah, real big owning there...except for the fact that I get PAID to model for Capt A, and post, and lift weights....
Seen Chick at Illinois St.charles continental contest , all jokes a side he seems like a good guy.
Yeah, real big owning there...except for the fact that I get PAID to model for Capt A, and post, and lift weights....
Bob brutally admits he get's paid to post. Manion needs him here replying to the "peanut gallery" with the official IFBB party line.
I always assumed, but it's nice to have confirmation.
Bob brutally admits he gets paid to post. Manion needs him here replying to the "peanut gallery" with the official IFBB party line.
I always assumed, but it's nice to have confirmation.
LOl...nice try loser...but no one actually gets paid to post per se...(at least not here on Getbig).....As part of my BB.com contract however, it is ONE of my "duties"...so yes, I do get paid to post...just not on here.
Its too late for lies now Bob, the truth is out.haha bob is caught
Bob owes so much to so many that he is permanently bent over. At least we can walk away from these boards whereas hapless stooge Chick is contracted to contribute to discussion forums. I would say he lost his soul a long time ago. Actually, about the same time he accepted the pro masters title gift.
And your free time is spent monitoring what I am doing? .
lol no life "Iderful" does nothing more than follow others around here then obsesses about about what others are up to. ;D
1. Whomever Flex/AMI has decided should win this year (Phil Heath); WRONG/ JAY
2. Whomever Muscletech has decided should be second this year (Dexter Jackson); WRONG/ BRANCH
3. Whomever Jim Manion likes the most and thinks should be 3rd (Jay Cutler); WRONG/ DEX
4. Whomever Steve Weinberger likes the most and thinks should be 4th (Victor Martinez);WRONG/ KAI
5. Whomever Steve Blechman thinks should win but won't (Kai Greene);WRONG/ PHIL
6. Whomever Steve Blechman thinks should get second because he is so powerful but he's not (Dennis Wolf);WRONG/ VIC
7. Whomever Lee Thompson likes the most and thinks should be 5th, but Blechman sponsors more events (Branch Warren);WRONG/ RONNIE ROCKEL
8. Whomever John Lindsay likes the most and does the most West Coast favors for (Melvin Anthony);WRONG/ TONEY FREEMAN
9. Whomever placed 5th last year as they fade into obscurity and become a footnote (Toney Freeman);WRONG/ HIDE
10. Whomever the judges feel should place 5th, but due to politics will be placed 10th (Ronnie Coleman).WRONG/ MO EL MOSSAWOUI
hahaha Ed got owned ;D
E
Pretty good, Ed....0-10. your usual %
As for the "judge in question"...was he actually judging, or test judging? Was he an alternate judge? Assuming he was a new judge (since you dont seem to know who he was given your vast knowledge.....) perhaps he was scoring in the wrong box, was scoring the wrong round, etc.....you have no idea what was being changed. As the highs and lows are thrown out, this ONE judges score wouldnt have amounted to much anyway. If he was way off, his score would have been dropped....if he was within a place, his score wouldnt need to be "changed"...
Pretty good, Ed....0-10. your usual %
Well at least he still has his radio show to fall back on