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9/10/2009: In a Special Comment, Countdown's Keith Olbermann calls out South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson not just for his shameful incivility in interrupting President Obama's health care speech before Congress but for being so glaringly, stupidly, publicly wrong.
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lol You're WROOONNNNGGGGGGG!!!!
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9/10/2009: In a Special Comment, Countdown's Keith Olbermann calls out South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson not just for his shameful incivility in interrupting President Obama's health care speech before Congress but for being so glaringly, stupidly, publicly wrong.
Did all 5 people watch his show tonight?
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Did all 5 people watch his show tonight?
You believe there are only five intelligent people left in America? ??? You obviously don't believe in America or the character of its people.
You also...just might be...one of the stupid ass Americans Olbermann is talking about. :-\
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You believe there are only five intelligent people left in America? ??? You obviously don't believe in America or the character of its people.
You also...just might be...one of the stupid ass Americans Olbermann is talking about. :-\
Olbermann is an asshole and an idiot.Where was he when Harry Reid called George Bush a looser and a liar on the floor of the senate?Where was he when the democrats bood Bush during his state of the union?
Illegals WILL be covered as the bill is written now.Doctors and hospitals cant ask for proof of citiczenship.In fact,the senate is now going to go back and shore up this provision to quell the anger over it.Once again,Olbermann is wrong,as he ALWAYS is.By the way,is he still sticking to his story that republicans went after Van Jones for calling them assholes and ignoring the fact that Jones signed the 911 truther statement or that Jones said whites push pollution into white communities.
Yeah,hes very intelligent.Fucking blowhard with no ratings,no talent and ZERO pull in the culture.He wanted Jones to stay,Beck wanted him out JONES IS OUT!!!Olbermann owned!!!!
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Olbermann is an asshole and an idiot.Where was he when Harry Reid called George Bush a looser and a liar on the floor of the senate?Where was he when the democrats bood Bush during his state of the union?
Illegals WILL be covered as the bill is written now.Doctors and hospitals cant ask for proof of citiczenship.In fact,the senate is now going to go back and shore up this provision to quell the anger over it.Once again,Olbermann is wrong,as he ALWAYS is.By the way,is he still sticking to his story that republicans went after Van Jones for calling them assholes and ignoring the fact that Jones signed the 911 truther statement or that Jones said whites push pollution into white communities.
Yeah,hes very intelligent.Fucking blowhard with no ratings,no talent and ZERO pull in the culture.He wanted Jones to stay,Beck wanted him out JONES IS OUT!!!Olbermann owned!!!!
EXACTLY...That's why he is the Olberdouche, a smug, elitist prick that picks on anybody that disagrees with democrats. He's is the biggest hypocrite on cable news.
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EXACTLY...That's why he is the Olberdouche, a smug, elitist prick that picks on anybody that disagrees with democrats. He's is the biggest hypocrite on cable news.
Obama plans on giving illegals amnesty. Once they get amnesty, they will qualify for this.
This was just another lie by ommission by this WH.
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Obama plans on giving illegals amnesty. Once they get amnesty, they will qualify for this.
This was just another lie by ommission by this WH.
could you post the info on Obama's set plan to give amnesty? Or is this from the election BS?
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could you post the info on Obama's set plan to give amnesty? Or is this from the election BS?
From the NYT - April 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/us/politics/09immig.html
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Its all part of the plan. Like I said, Obama lied by ommision in the speech.
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Obama to Push Immigration Bill as One Priority
comments Sign In to E-Mail Print Reprints By JULIA PRESTON
Published: April 8, 2009
While acknowledging that the recession makes the political battle more difficult, President Obama plans to begin addressing the country’s immigration system this year, including looking for a path for illegal immigrants to become legal, a senior administration official said on Wednesday.
The latest on President Obama, the new administration and other news from Washington and around the nation. Join the discussion.
More Politics NewsMr. Obama will frame the new effort — likely to rouse passions on all sides of the highly divisive issue — as “policy reform that controls immigration and makes it an orderly system,” said the official, Cecilia Muñoz, deputy assistant to the president and director of intergovernmental affairs in the White House.
Mr. Obama plans to speak publicly about the issue in May, administration officials said, and over the summer he will convene working groups, including lawmakers from both parties and a range of immigration groups, to begin discussing possible legislation for as early as this fall.
Some White House officials said that immigration would not take precedence over the health care and energy proposals that Mr. Obama has identified as priorities. But the timetable is consistent with pledges Mr. Obama made to Hispanic groups in last year’s campaign.
He said then that comprehensive immigration legislation, including a plan to make legal status possible for an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants, would be a priority in his first year in office. Latino voters turned out strongly for Mr. Obama in the election.
“He intends to start the debate this year,” Ms. Muñoz said.
But with the economy seriously ailing, advocates on different sides of the debate said that immigration could become a polarizing issue for Mr. Obama in a year when he has many other major battles to fight.
Opponents, mainly Republicans, say they will seek to mobilize popular outrage against any effort to legalize unauthorized immigrant workers while so many Americans are out of jobs.
Democratic legislative aides said that opening a full-fledged debate this year on immigration, particularly with health care as a looming priority, could weigh down the president’s domestic agenda.
Debate is still under way among administration officials about the precise timing and strategy. For example, it is unclear who will take up the Obama initiative in Congress.
No serious legislative talks on the issue are expected until after some of Mr. Obama’s other priorities have been debated, Congressional aides said.
Just last month, Mr. Obama openly recognized that immigration is a potential minefield.
"I know this is an emotional issue; I know it’s a controversial issue,” he told an audience at a town meeting on March 18 in Costa Mesa, Calif. “I know that the people get real riled up politically about this."
But, he said, immigrants who are long-time residents but lack legal status “have to have some mechanism over time to get out of the shadows.”
The White House is calculating that public support for fixing the immigration system, which is widely acknowledged to be broken, will outweigh opposition from voters who argue that immigrants take jobs from Americans. A groundswell among voters opposed to legal status for illegal immigrants led to the defeat in 2007 of a bipartisan immigration bill that was strongly supported by President George W. Bush.
Administration officials said that Mr. Obama’s plan would not add new workers to the American work force, but that it would recognize millions of illegal immigrants who have already been working here. Despite the deep recession, there is no evidence of any wholesale exodus of illegal immigrant workers, independent studies of census data show.
Opponents of legalization legislation were incredulous at the idea that Mr. Obama would take on immigration when economic pain for Americans is so widespread.
“It just doesn’t seem rational that any political leader would say, let’s give millions of foreign workers permanent access to U.S. jobs when we have millions of Americans looking for jobs,” said Roy Beck, executive director of NumbersUSA, a group that favors reduced immigration. Mr. Beck predicted that Mr. Obama would face “an explosion” if he proceeded this year.
“It’s going to be, ‘You’re letting them keep that job, when I could have that job,’ ” he said.
In broad outlines, officials said, the Obama administration favors legislation that would bring illegal immigrants into the legal system by recognizing that they violated the law, and imposing fines and other penalties to fit the offense. The legislation would seek to prevent future illegal immigration by strengthening border enforcement and cracking down on employers who hire illegal immigrants, while creating a national system for verifying the legal immigration status of new workers.
But administration officials emphasized that many details remained to be debated.
Opponents of a legalization effort said that if the Obama administration maintained the enforcement pressure initiated by Mr. Bush, the recession would force many illegal immigrants to return home. Dan Stein, the president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, said it would be “politically disastrous” for Mr. Obama to begin an immigration initiative at this time.
Anticipating opposition, Mr. Obama has sought to shift some of the political burden to advocates for immigrants, by encouraging them to build support among voters for when his proposal goes to Congress.
That is why Representative Luis V. Gutierrez, a Democrat from Mr. Obama’s hometown, Chicago, has been on the road most weekends since last December, traveling far outside his district to meetings in Hispanic churches, hoping to generate something like a civil rights movement in favor of broad immigration legislation.
Mr. Gutierrez was in Philadelphia on Saturday at the Iglesia Internacional, a big Hispanic evangelical church in a former warehouse, the 17th meeting in a tour that has included cities as far flung as Providence, R.I.; Atlanta; Miami; and San Francisco. Greeted with cheers and amens by a full house of about 350 people, Mr. Gutierrez, shifting fluidly between Spanish and English, called for immigration policies to preserve family unity, the strategic theme of his campaign.
At each meeting, speakers from the community, mainly citizens, tell stories of loved ones who were deported or of delays and setbacks in the immigration system. Illegal immigrants have not been invited to speak.
Mr. Gutierrez’s meetings have all been held in churches, both evangelical and Roman Catholic, with clergy members from various denominations, including in several places Muslim imams. At one meeting in Chicago, Cardinal Francis George, president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, officiated.
One speaker on Saturday, Jill Flores, said that her husband, Felix, an immigrant from Mexico who crossed the border illegally, had applied for legal status five years ago but had not been able to gain it even though she is an American citizen, as are their two children. Now, Ms. Flores said, she fears that her husband will have to leave for Mexico and will not be permitted to return for many years.
In an interview, Mr. Gutierrez rejected the idea that the timing is bad for an immigration debate. “There is never a wrong time for us,” he said. “Families are being divided and destroyed, and they need help now.”
Jeff Zeleny contributed reporting.
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HHS: Obamacare-Funded Health Centers for 'Migrants' Won't Check Immigration Status
cnsnews.com ^ | August 10, 2011 | Matt Cover
(CNSNews.com) - The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced on Tuesday that it has awarded $28.8 million to 67 community health centers with funds from the Obamacare health reform law.
Of that $28.8 million, "approximately $8.5 million will be used by 25 New Access Point awardees to target services to migrant and seasonal farm workers," Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) Spokeswoman Judy Andrews told CNSNews.com. HRSA is a part of HHS.
Andrews said that grant recipients will not check the immigration status of people seeking services.
“Health centers do not, as a matter of routine practice, ask about or collect data on citizenship or other matters not related to the treatment needs of the patients seeking health services at the center,” Andrews said.
Further, the grant recipients are required to serve "all residents" who walk through their doors.
“The Program’s authorizing statute does not affirmatively address immigration status,” said Andrews. “Rather, it simply states that health centers are required to provide primary health care to all residents of the health center's service area without regard for ability to pay.”
These Obamacare disbursements seem to contradict a claim President Obama famously made in a nationally televised speech to a joint session of Congress on Sept. 9, 2009.
“The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally,” Obama said then.
When Obama said these words, Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) shouted out from the House floor: "You lie!"
(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...
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HHS: Obamacare-Funded Health Centers for 'Migrants' Won't Check Immigration Status
cnsnews.com ^ | August 10, 2011 | Matt Cover
(CNSNews.com) - The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced on Tuesday that it has awarded $28.8 million to 67 community health centers with funds from the Obamacare health reform law.
Of that $28.8 million, "approximately $8.5 million will be used by 25 New Access Point awardees to target services to migrant and seasonal farm workers," Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) Spokeswoman Judy Andrews told CNSNews.com. HRSA is a part of HHS.
Andrews said that grant recipients will not check the immigration status of people seeking services.
“Health centers do not, as a matter of routine practice, ask about or collect data on citizenship or other matters not related to the treatment needs of the patients seeking health services at the center,” Andrews said.
Further, the grant recipients are required to serve "all residents" who walk through their doors.
“The Program’s authorizing statute does not affirmatively address immigration status,” said Andrews. “Rather, it simply states that health centers are required to provide primary health care to all residents of the health center's service area without regard for ability to pay.”
These Obamacare disbursements seem to contradict a claim President Obama famously made in a nationally televised speech to a joint session of Congress on Sept. 9, 2009.
“The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally,” Obama said then.
When Obama said these words, Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) shouted out from the House floor: "You lie!"
(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...
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Dude.. if you post this "article" in one thread.. what makes you think you need to post it in other threads.. how many times do you plan on posting it
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Because I want to call out that parasitic leech Benny to beat his ass down. Same with the other fools who attacked Joe Wilson.
Personally, everywhere Obama goes needs to be met with screams of "YOU LIE!"
LYBIA - YOU LIE!
HEALTH CARE - YOU LIE!
ECONOMY - YOU LIE!
ETC ETC
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Because I want to call out that parasitic leech Benny to beat his ass down. Same with the other fools who attacked Joe Wilson.
Personally, everywhere Obama goes needs to be met with screams of "YOU LIE!"
LYBIA - YOU LIE!
HEALTH CARE - YOU LIE!
ECONOMY - YOU LIE!
ETC ETC
Were you this venomous with other politicians?.. Did you take on a 24 hour obsession with any other (non-dem) politician.. or can you not name a bad republican?
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Were you this venomous with other politicians?.. Did you take on a 24 hour obsession with any other (non-dem) politician.. or can you not name a bad republican?
I sent my RNC resignation in 2005 against Bush andgot tossed off FR for trashing Bush.
But compared to Bush, jeez - Obama is not even in the same universe in terms of destruction, damage, and division.
I knew he would be a disaster and a catastrophe for this country, but even I am surprised at just how destructive and cancerous his admn has been.
BTW - the pofs shit has two fundraisers in NYC tonight at 35,800 a plate and is heading for another 9 day vacation in Marthas's Vineyard. I mean come on already.
We are teetering on collapse on all fronts and this is the bullshit this street agitator does?
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Obama plans on giving illegals amnesty. Once they get amnesty, they will qualify for this.
This was just another lie by ommission by this WH.
and their votes!
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and their votes!
And thats a good thing?
And you wonder why I hope he swims in shark infested waters while on vacation? He is a communit traitor, treasonous wretch, a wrecking ball, and a manchurian POTUS doing the bidding of every evil force seeking to collapse this nation. .
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And thats a good thing?
And you wonder why I hope he swims in shark infested waters while on vacation? He is a communit traitor, treasonous wretch, a wrecking ball, and a manchurian POTUS doing the bidding of every evil force seeking to collapse this nation. .
and when he wins next year, will you have any more adjectives left to describe him?
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and when he wins next year, will you have any more adjectives left to describe him?
41% approval rating and 9% unemployment for 27 of the 31 months he's been in office.
"When he wins"? Don't bet your house on it.
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“You Lie!” Rep. Says He Was Right All Along – Obamacare Does Cover Illegal Aliens
GatewayPundit ^ | August 16, 2011 | Jim Hoft
Remember this?
Barack Obama went in front of the American people and insisted that his health care plan would not fund abortion or cover illegal immigrants.
Not everyone believed the president. Rep. Joe Wilson screamed, “You lie!”
Now we know Joe Wilson was right – Obama did lie. Obamacare does cover illegal aliens.
FOX News reported:
Nearly two years after he infamously accused President Obama of lying about his health care overhaul, Republican Rep. Joe Wilson claims he was right all along.
The South Carolina congressman was pilloried in 2009 for shouting “You lie!” at the president in the middle of a national address after Obama claimed the health care bill would not cover illegal immigrants.
But Wilson is claiming some vindication after the Health and Human Services Department awarded millions to “migrant and seasonal farm worker” health care — a spokeswoman in the department was cited last week saying patients would not be asked about immigration status and an department official confirmed Monday that the centers receiving the grant money must offer primary care to “all residents” in a given area.
Wilson, on his campaign website, declared the funding announcement proved him right. Though most farm workers are here legally, the Pew Hispanic Center estimates that about a quarter of them are undocumented.
“It is inevitable that they will serve illegal aliens,” Wilson said. “The president specifically promised the American people that ‘Obamacare’ would not cover those who are here illegally. He misled all of us.”
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41% approval rating and 9% unemployment for 27 of the 31 months he's been in office.
"When he wins"? Don't bet your house on it.
Real unemployment is much higher.
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“You Lie!” Rep. Says He Was Right All Along – Obamacare Does Cover Illegal Aliens
GatewayPundit ^ | August 16, 2011 | Jim Hoft
Remember this?
Barack Obama went in front of the American people and insisted that his health care plan would not fund abortion or cover illegal immigrants.
Not everyone believed the president. Rep. Joe Wilson screamed, “You lie!”
Now we know Joe Wilson was right – Obama did lie. Obamacare does cover illegal aliens.
FOX News reported:
Nearly two years after he infamously accused President Obama of lying about his health care overhaul, Republican Rep. Joe Wilson claims he was right all along.
The South Carolina congressman was pilloried in 2009 for shouting “You lie!” at the president in the middle of a national address after Obama claimed the health care bill would not cover illegal immigrants.
But Wilson is claiming some vindication after the Health and Human Services Department awarded millions to “migrant and seasonal farm worker” health care — a spokeswoman in the department was cited last week saying patients would not be asked about immigration status and an department official confirmed Monday that the centers receiving the grant money must offer primary care to “all residents” in a given area.
Wilson, on his campaign website, declared the funding announcement proved him right. Though most farm workers are here legally, the Pew Hispanic Center estimates that about a quarter of them are undocumented.
“It is inevitable that they will serve illegal aliens,” Wilson said. “The president specifically promised the American people that ‘Obamacare’ would not cover those who are here illegally. He misled all of us.”
Shocking. ::) I need to come up with a list so I can keep track of this stuff. Incredible what this man has gotten away with.
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