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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: mchuge84 on December 28, 2009, 08:46:39 PM
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I was going to run test e 250mgs every five days but I am reading more and more about 500mgs a week will I see results as it is or should I goto the 500mgs a week? thanks
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250mgs ew Is good for Hrt but if your plannin on using It for a cycle yes 500mgs Ew is recommended for beginners
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500 ew, with a db kick at the start would be even better......
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My first cycle I took 300 mgs a week with great results...I would advise 500 over 250 though
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Ok, so guess I am gonna pick up another vial thanks guys. And P.S. I am gonna be using dbl for a kick start gonna use 20mgs a day for first four weeks. Does that sound ok?
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My first cycle I took 300 mgs a week with great results...I would advise 500 over 250 though
If u got great results with 300 first time why advise more?u would think there would be less sides plus saves $....also 250 every 5 days actually comes out 2 be 300 or so if you averaged it out ...right?these r serious questions...I'm a natural but curious as to why a first timer wouldnt just go with 250-300mg/week to see how there body reacts to the stuff....
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The reason I advise 500 mgs is that most people won't get any negative side effects at that dose...its still considered a moderate to low dose...on the other hand he could get away with 300mgs per week on his first one because his receptors are completely fresh...after years of cycling your receptors can almost clog up so you have to up the dose a bit...the first cycle is always the best one as far as responding to a low dose
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The reason I advise 500 mgs is that most people won't get any negative side effects at that dose...its still considered a moderate to low dose...on the other hand he could get away with 300mgs per week on his first one because his receptors are completely fresh...after years of cycling your receptors can almost clog up so you have to up the dose a bit...the first cycle is always the best one as far as responding to a low dose
cool man...I think age and goals should be takin into account as well..4 example...I would think if your a first time user in your thirty's with no aspirations to compete in bodybuilding a 250-300mg/week dose would suffice...then maybe up it to 500/week on the second cycle...
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You need to do some more research...500mgs a week is nowhere near a bodybuilding dose...and until you do your first cycle you should really advise people what to take
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You need to do some more research...500mgs a week is nowhere near a bodybuilding dose...and until you do your first cycle you should really advise people what to take
& you should work on your reading comprehension as I stated what I thought a person without bodybuilding aspirations might want to try/take....
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check It out unless its Hrt you shouldn't take or recommend less then 500mgs ew end of story
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Allright let me give some history. This would be my second cycle.I am 25, and when i was 20 i went retarded and tried sus 250 with bad results. And also no pct. So this time I have my diet and my training in check. I am trying to do more research this time and allready have my pct planned out so I am looking for something to start that would be kinda like starting over. So since this is my second cycle I think I am bump up to 500mgs. Will 20mgs of dbl be sufficient?
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Allright let me give some history. This would be my second cycle.I am 25, and when i was 20 i went retarded and tried sus 250 with bad results. And also no pct. So this time I have my diet and my training in check. I am trying to do more research this time and allready have my pct planned out so I am looking for something to start that would be kinda like starting over. So since this is my second cycle I think I am bump up to 500mgs. Will 20mgs of dbl be sufficient?
I know it's recomended to try a single compound first cycle like test E or C...but what were the negative effects of the sus? other than the obvious lack of PCT....did you pin frequantly?and what was you takin per week?
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Not really any bad physical effects but it messed with me mentally pretty bad. I took it once a week and dont remember exact doses. I had to change it cause i accidentally broke an amp. To be honest man looking back it was one of the dumbest things I have ever done just jumped in with no prep.
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Not really any bad physical effects but it messed with me mentally pretty bad. I took it once a week and dont remember exact doses. I had to change it cause i accidentally broke an amp. To be honest man looking back it was one of the dumbest things I have ever done just jumped in with no prep.
yea most people I know have pinned sus every other day.or at the least every 3rd day...well...at least your doin it right this time & gettin all your ducks in a row prior to jumpin back in...good luck man...
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Thanks man. So would my receptors be shot after the sus cycle from five years ago or do they ever get back to normal?
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Your receptors are fine brother:)
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Cool thanks for the info man. So what would you suggest for the test e? I have seen alot of your post you seem pretty knowledgable.
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Cool thanks for the info man. So what would you suggest for the test e? I have seen alot of your post you seem pretty knowledgable.
Personally I would suggest Test E 500mg ew for a 12 - 20 week run. If your going to run dbol, 20mg ed is kind of a low dose. If your going to run it at least get the benefits out of the dbol and run 30mg ed. from 4 - 6 weeks. What is your plan for PCT? Are you running any HCG?
Week 1-6 dbol 30mg ed
Week 1-20 500mg Test E ew
HCG starting from first injection of Test and stopping 4 days prior to PCT. 500iu 2xew, or e3d
PCT:
Week 1-3 Aromasin 30mg ed
Week 1-6 Clomid 20mg ed
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Ok thanks for the advice. Due to financial restrictions i think i am gonna try to do 500mgs for 10 weeks and dbol like u said I will bump it up to 30mgs ed but for 4 weeks. :-\
What does HCG do for you during your cycle? Doesnt it aid in weight loss also? ???
And my pct looks just about exactly like the one you suggested so I think I will be ok there.
Thanks for your help man.
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Ok thanks for the advice. Due to financial restrictions i think i am gonna try to do 500mgs for 10 weeks and dbol like u said I will bump it up to 30mgs ed but for 4 weeks. :-\
What does HCG do for you during your cycle? Doesnt it aid in weight loss also? ???
And my pct looks just about exactly like the one you suggested so I think I will be ok there.
Thanks for your help man.
HCG helps ya keep your nuts...allows your body to keep producing test so you don't shut down...
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HCG helps ya keep your nuts...allows your body to keep producing test so you don't shut down...
Exactly, I have posted all over this board about HCG.
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Ok thanks guys. So with the test e one shot of 500mgs ew should be good?
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check It out unless its Hrt you shouldn't take or recommend less then 500mgs ew end of story
Dude this is wrong..250mg will take you over the the high end of "normal" range.
When I visited my endo the first time in her medical ref guide test E is recomended to be admined every 21 days to take a patient into the normal range and tweaked from there for each case..the fact is 250mg each week will take you well over the high end of "normal"
As for BB purposes Id agree 500mg would be the starting dose then cruise on 250-300mg a week once your cycle is complete.cycling up a few times a year , this will help you maintain what is gained on the higher doses but even then you will lose muscle once comming off higher doses.going off completly is stupid..take two steps foward and 3 steps back doesnt make sense.
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I'd disagree with 2 steps forward and 3 steps back...more like 3 steps forward and 2 steps back...In my opinion training natural is very important too...nd I always keep a little bit of my gains and muscle shape when I come off
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Ok, so guess I am gonna pick up another vial thanks guys. And P.S. I am gonna be using dbl for a kick start gonna use 20mgs a day for first four weeks. Does that sound ok?
Man, I remember the good old days when I could alter a cycle with the addition of one more vial. :) Minimal purchase for me these days is 100 amps HG Test E just to get the ball rolling. :o
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im sorry, but all those recomending 1ml of enth per week are crazy, and must surely never took steroids seriously..
you wouldnt even feel 250.... even as rank beginner, and this is comming from somone who realy responds to gear
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I agree...guys like big L need to actually take a cycle before advising rookies on how to use roids
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I'd disagree with 2 steps forward and 3 steps back...more like 3 steps forward and 2 steps back...In my opinion training natural is very important too...nd I always keep a little bit of my gains and muscle shape when I come off
Once you go off you lose everything gained whilst on no matter what you "think"
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Once you go off you lose everything gained whilst on no matter what you "think"
so your "on" for life?If you don't mind me asking how old are you & when did you first start gear?
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lose everything?? yea right....aas usage has changed my whole body structure and i and everyone i know that trains diets and uses post properly keeps gains.....if your not keeping gains then you should re evaluate your trainin and dieting methods for coming off and make sure you use and understand post properly
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You lose everything everytime you've cycled? Damn I feel bad for you...its quite the opposite for me
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If I do 500mgs a week should I do it as one inject per week or split it up?
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2x a week Broo monday and thursday 1cc shots
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so your "on" for life?If you don't mind me asking how old are you & when did you first start gear?
Ive talked of this before and it came from my endo as well..bouncing your endocrine system on and off with cycles is counter productive..you guys are nuts to think you keep your steroid induced gains for the long term..just because you might not lose much off the scale weight really doesnt mean you are keeping lean mass (which we are all striving to build) most increase calories when they come off thinking this halts the loss of gains when in fact they gain water and fat , how many of you have had lean body mass readings post AAS cycles? not just looking at the scales.
Look at pros that blast and cruise also , when they drop back to there cruise doses they shrink , lose fullness hardness etc.
Now they are in a better position than you guys that go off completly eg cycle but they dont maintain everything gained on the higher doses yet still are on..do you think you are better off than they are?
I trained natural for 15 years , i crusie on 1 1/2 ml a week all year round which pushes my test level to nearly 3 times the high end of whats considered natural/normal
I cycle a few times a year on higher doses then drop back to my cruise dose.I gain while on but still drop back once off higher doses and dont keep all those gains and im still "on" this is natural and how the body works,im not the only one this happens to im just honest with it.it happens to everyone the pros included.So you guys that think you hold any to a lil of pure lean mass once dropping back to "natural" then you are deluded.
GH15 says this , Im pretty sure Van agrees with this and I know Disgusted/Jim does..3 guys whose hormone knowledge is far and wide more knowledgable than you 3 guys disagreeing here..no disrespect but its truth im affraid.
A well known example is arnold , when he looked good he was on and when he was off he looked awful , you wouldnt of known he was MR O when he wasnt on..
The only time "maybe" you can keep some of those gains would be off the first blast but this will only because you are getting to your natural genetic potential , other than that cycling and going off is a waste of time and according to my endo does more harm than good to your endocrine system..and forget gimmicktry pct protocals you are just delaying whats about to come.
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Ive talked of this before and it came from my endo as well..bouncing your endocrine system on and off with cycles is counter productive..you guys are nuts to think you keep your steroid induced gains for the long term..just because you might not lose much off the scale weight really doesnt mean you are keeping lean mass (which we are all striving to build) most increase calories when they come off thinking this halts the loss of gains when in fact they gain water and fat , how many of you have had lean body mass readings post AAS cycles? not just looking at the scales.
Look at pros that blast and cruise also , when they drop back to there cruise doses they shrink , lose fullness hardness etc.
Now they are in a better position than you guys that go off completly eg cycle but they dont maintain everything gained on the higher doses yet still are on..do you think you are better off than they are?
I trained natural for 15 years , i crusie on 1 1/2 ml a week all year round which pushes my test level to nearly 3 times the high end of whats considered natural/normal
I cycle a few times a year on higher doses then drop back to my cruise dose.I gain while on but still drop back once off higher doses and dont keep all those gains and im still "on" this is natural and how the body works,im not the only one this happens to im just honest with it.it happens to everyone the pros included.So you guys that think you hold any to a lil of pure lean mass once dropping back to "natural" then you are deluded.
GH15 says this , Im pretty sure Van agrees with this and I know Disgusted/Jim does..3 guys whose hormone knowledge is far and wide more knowledgable than you 3 guys disagreeing here..no disrespect but its truth im affraid.
A well known example is arnold , when he looked good he was on and when he was off he looked awful , you wouldnt of known he was MR O when he wasnt on..
The only time "maybe" you can keep some of those gains would be off the first blast but this will only because you are getting to your natural genetic potential , other than that cycling and going off is a waste of time and according to my endo does more harm than good to your endocrine system..and forget gimmicktry pct protocals you are just delaying whats about to come.
good read...thanx bro....If it were me personally I would be worried about hair lose as I still have a full head of hair in my 30's....Also long term effects to the heart(enlargement)....But I can def see what your saying and it does make sense...