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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: TRIX on January 05, 2010, 08:21:13 AM
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What a disgrace the judging is
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that size and shredded, boom top 3 right away
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cause his knees arent dirty
and top 5 MUST have weider stamp of approval on the ass
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The best most muscular ever. Special eds conspiracy theory: place him last, MD would end his contract, boom picked up by weider.
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That's best looking 16th place I've ever seen. no homo
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in the prejudging at the Athlete's meeting i had him in first like many of you based on his 'lean face' and 'sunken eyes' via the 'gaunt look'
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Well if you have to look like that to crack top 16 then I might as well just quit this "sport" for good.
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;D
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Dennis wasn't at his best but he was a hell of a lot better than 16th.
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Dennis wasn't at his best but he was a hell of a lot better than 16th.
Top 10 at LEAST!
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The best most muscular ever. Special eds conspiracy theory: place him last, MD would end his contract, boom picked up by weider.
this is true. twinks like mo el mousawwi placed ahead of dennis at the olympia (10th). moe looks like a fucking aids victim standing next to dennis
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Fuck 16th he got ripped off
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As soft as Xerxes' anal hair after a nice bleach
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WTF happened to him? He looks so much better in 2007 than the other 2 :o For a young bodybuilder shouldnt he be getting better every year? ???
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Looks like Dennis has opted for the Michael Jackson look and gets whiter every year.
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Special eds conspiracy theory: place him last, MD would end his contract, boom picked up by weider.
Like most conspiracy theories the truth is less exciting.
He wasn't dropped by MD he CHOSE to sign with Weider.
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Like most conspiracy theories the truth is less exciting.
He wasn't dropped by MD he CHOSE to sign with Weider.
FALSE!
He was either under contract with MD or he wasn't. Blechman doesn't let his bodybuilder contracts lapse unless he isn't interested in renewing them (see Lee Priest meltdown thread for details). Because Wolf took 16th, Blechman hemmed and hawed about whether it would be worth it to sign Wolf for another two years. Enter Weider with more money and walla!
It's a well known fact that Weider has been looking to steal Wolf from MD for the past two years.
Conspiracy theories aside, Kevin, please show us one time in the history of bodybuilding where Weider signed a bodybuilder who took last place in his last contest.
Bottom Line: Dennis Wolf, in identical condition, as a Weider athlete = 7th place at 2009 Olympia.
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FALSE!
He was either under contract with MD or he wasn't. Blechman doesn't let his bodybuilder contracts lapse unless he isn't interested in renewing them (see Lee Priest meltdown thread for details). Because Wolf took 16th, Blechman hemmed and hawed about whether it would be worth it to sign Wolf for another two years. Enter Weider with more money and walla!
It's a well known fact that Weider has been looking to steal Wolf from MD for the past two years.
Conspiracy theories aside, Kevin, please show us one time in the history of bodybuilding where Weider signed a bodybuilder who took last place in his last contest.
Bottom Line: Dennis Wolf, in identical condition, as a Weider athlete = 7th place at 2009 Olympia.
God...you're such a moron.
First, his contract was UP...so it wasnt he was or wasnt...his contract was ENDING. He then had a choice as to who to sign with. Blechman didnt have anything to do (or say) about it, as Dennis was trying to sign LAST year with Weider, but was in the middle of a two year deal and he thought the option year decision was HIS...obviously, he didnt understand it...
Federov was re-signed after taking last...
Matarazzo was signed after taking last at his first Olympia...
Dennis as a Weider athlete looking the same, places the same...
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God...you're such a moron.
First, his contract was UP...so it wasnt he was or wasnt...his contract was ENDING. He then had a choice as to who to sign with. Blechman didnt have anything to do (or say) about it, as Dennis was trying to sign LAST year with Weider, but was in the middle of a two year deal and he thought the option year decision was HIS...obviously, he didnt understand it...
Federov was re-signed after taking last...
Matarazzo was signed after taking last at his first Olympia...
Dennis as a Weider athlete looking the same, places the same...
chick you are the biggest company man i have ever seen. can you not name a single instance of ifbb wrongdoing?
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chick you are the biggest company man i have ever seen. can you not name a single instance of ifbb wrongdoing?
What the hell does the IFBB have to do with the subject?
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God...you're such a moron.
Well Bob, we've all heard of "getbig millionaires". If you have played your cards right with your BB.com money you may full well be one of them. Special Ed IS a legit getbig millionaire. He is also a HIGHLY skilled defense attorney. Whether he is right or wrong on this particular issue I don't know since I haven't really looked into it much or given it much thought, but he is not a moron.
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Well Bob, we've all heard of "getbig millionaires". If you have played your cards right with your BB.com money you may full well be one of them. Special Ed IS a legit getbig millionaire. He is also a HIGHLY skilled defense attorney. Whether he is right or wrong on this particular issue I don't know since I haven't really looked into it much or given it much thought, but he is not a moron.
He makes himself sound like one, when he makes comments on matters he has no direct knowledge of...something a "highly skilled" defense attorney generally wouldn't do...
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Has there ever been a consensus as to what exactly is that lump just above Wolf's navel?
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Has there ever been a consensus as to what exactly is that lump just above Wolf's navel?
hernia. i've seen guys on stage with golf ball sized ones there.
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Can any of you imagine having a physique as huge as Dennis Wolf? When he didn't win in 07 he came in a bit different in 08 and then again in 09 always trying to see if what he presented was what the judges were looking for. He finally figured out that politics has a lot to do with where you place. If you associate with the wrong trainers or train at the wrong gym that doesn't help. If you have a contract with the wrong magazine then you don't place high and are 'overlooked' by the judges. The fact he placed so low last year speaks more about the IFBB than about Dennis.
Trust Bob Stooge to put down anyone who posts that the IFBB and their contests are suspect.
Now, Special Ed, what is this 'walla'? Is that New Yorkese for 'voila'?
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Can any of you imagine having a physique as huge as Dennis Wolf? When he didn't win in 07 he came in a bit different in 08 and then again in 09 always trying to see if what he presented was what the judges were looking for. He finally figured out that politics has a lot to do with where you place. If you associate with the wrong trainers or train at the wrong gym that doesn't help. If you have a contract with the wrong magazine then you don't place high and are 'overlooked' by the judges. The fact he placed so low last year speaks more about the IFBB than about Dennis.
Trust Bob Stooge to put down anyone who posts that the IFBB and their contests are suspect.
Now, Special Ed, what is this 'walla'? Is that New Yorkese for 'voila'?
Your ignorance never ceases to amaze, ImBasile...
Wolf placed better when he was under contract with MD, so let me get this right...with a pending contract with Weider, the "powers that be" and "politics" decided to place him LAST?
I'm actually starting to feel bad for you...you know, like the neighborhood bully picking on the retarded kid
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Bob, Bob, Bob, you and Goodrum have no shame. Zero. You have more hide than an elephant and use it to reflect the criticism that comes your way.
Anyone with half a clue can see that the IFBB runs suspect contests. Who picks the judges? Ah, that is important. Who picked the judges for the Masters Pro?
You are representing an insider, backroom boys group who make the decisions for what is going to happen in professional bodybuilding. You can call us all the names you want
but that doesn't erase the stench that exists re the IFBB and their contests. What about Paul Chua and his corruption in the East? Was that a mistake that Milos reported? Oh, yeah, the
mistake was reporting it because the messenger got punished instead of the offender.
Why the IFBB has a musclehead like you involved is a mystery to me. We need guys with integrity for a start and not some bullshit artist on Getbig.
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Bob, Bob, Bob, you and Goodrum have no shame. Zero. You have more hide than an elephant and use it to reflect the criticism that comes your way.
Anyone with half a clue can see that the IFBB runs suspect contests. Who picks the judges? Ah, that is important. Who picked the judges for the Masters Pro?
You are representing an insider, backroom boys group who make the decisions for what is going to happen in professional bodybuilding. You can call us all the names you want
but that doesn't erase the stench that exists re the IFBB and their contests. What about Paul Chua and his corruption in the East? Was that a mistake that Milos reported? Oh, yeah, the
mistake was reporting it because the messenger got punished instead of the offender.
Why the IFBB has a musclehead like you involved is a mystery to me. We need guys with integrity for a start and not some bullshit artist on Getbig.
Nice response...completely void of the ongoing dialogue, and of course...you cant address what I responded with without exposing yourself even more as a clueless fool
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what would his placing have to do with magazine contract anyway. i really doubt dennis's placing at the mrolympia will effect the amount of revenue the image of his body can generate. people dont like the way a bodybuilder looks because of his placings, its a subjective thing that doesnt have much to do with that kind of attention to detaill...such as water under the skin, looking a little flat, etc...
the people who like the way dennis looks dont like his look because of his high placing at the olympia in 07 and 08, but because of the fact he is big, round shoulders, tight waist, outer quad sweep, sick most muscular and side chest, german/russian white dude..etc..... and him placing last at the mrO doesnt change that fact...he still looks the same..
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God...you're such a moron.
First, his contract was UP...so it wasnt he was or wasnt...his contract was ENDING. He then had a choice as to who to sign with. Blechman didnt have anything to do (or say) about it, as Dennis was trying to sign LAST year with Weider, but was in the middle of a two year deal and he thought the option year decision was HIS...obviously, he didnt understand it...
Federov was re-signed after taking last...
Matarazzo was signed after taking last at his first Olympia...
Dennis as a Weider athlete looking the same, places the same...
Assuming what you say is correct, Weider and Wolf were in discussions, if not negotiations, PRIOR to the expiration if his MD contract, which may or may not constitute tortious interference with contractual relations.
Blechman, call me.
P.S. Re-signing a guy is a different horse. Weider has always kept loyal guys on the payroll long after they've proven useful, except for Ronnie Coleman, who was unceremoniously dumped shortly after breaching Weider protocol and appearing on Big Nation Radio.
P.P.S. If Weider signed Matarazzo after finishing last at his first Olympia, I stand corrected and admit I was wrong. I apologize for my error. (See, that didn't hurt so bad! Try it sometime!)
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special ed paypal me some cash, i will use that cash to build muscles then provide you with a gay 4 pay voucher to use on iBUGmusclesTUG
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Special Ed, are you up to date on internet libel? Just asking.
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Wolf looked better in 09 than Cutler did in 07.
Cutler got the elevator, Wolf got the shaft.
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Special Ed, are you up to date on internet libel? Just asking.
I don't label my libel, but yes, there has been a dramatic rise in 'hurt feelings' cases. The problem is the lack of damages, hence the lack of interest and the lack of lawyers taking these cases. But if you are willing to pay $400/hour and keep up with me, I am willing to roll the dice and rock the boat with you.
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LOL, spoken like a true professional. People without assets can't be sued. What about site owners who allow libel to be posted?
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16th may have been a bit harsh, but Wolf was way off in 09. He set his own bar high in 07, and was nowhere near as conditioned. He is super smooth in that FLS.
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Getting back to the way the Olympia was judged I would say they defaulted to conditioning being supreme because that is the only quality they can easily assess. Thus, no matter how big or impressive anyone looks if they aren't ripped to shreds they don't place high. I don't like this standard but that is what has evolved in many bodybuilding shows.
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wolf is gonna dominate this year i can see it in his face last at the Olympia he was pissed as hell for placing 16th and in 2010 hes gonna take his revenge back 8).
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dennis wolf is a bodybuilder
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ok bob, tell me how did moe el mousawwi, silvio samuel, hidetada and gustavo beat dennis? pure politics. those guys are skinny twinks compared to dennis.
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Conspiracy theories aside, Kevin, please show us one time in the history of bodybuilding where Weider signed a bodybuilder who took last place in his last contest.
Off the top of my head I can't think of anyone but despite his placing at that show he is still a potential Mr Olympia and that's why Weider and BSN signed him.
Edit: Having read this thread I see that Bob has already named some people who were signed despite placing last.
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We need guys with integrity for a start and not some bullshit artist on Getbig.
Considering you spend your time photographing young kids without their parents knowledge, what do you know about integrity?
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ok bob, tell me how did moe el mousawwi, silvio samuel, hidetada and gustavo beat dennis? pure politics. those guys are skinny twinks compared to dennis.
Or maybe, just maybe, Dennis was washed out, and not just his conditioning sucked, the judges decided to penalize him for it. In the last 3 yrs he has not gotten better. He still has no lower back. Maybe they sent a message to him, "You have what it takes, but you are disappointing us."
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What a disgrace the judging is
they punished him for not presenting the same level of 2007 or even 2008 but sure he deserved better than 16th!!.. judges of the olympia always care about the very top places then put anyone over any one after that!!.. check the results and pics. of mr. olympia 1994, this was very obvious there!!..
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Bob, Bob, Bob, you and Goodrum have no shame. Zero. You have more hide than an elephant and use it to reflect the criticism that comes your way.
Anyone with half a clue can see that the IFBB runs suspect contests. Who picks the judges? Ah, that is important. Who picked the judges for the Masters Pro?
You are representing an insider, backroom boys group who make the decisions for what is going to happen in professional bodybuilding. You can call us all the names you want
but that doesn't erase the stench that exists re the IFBB and their contests. What about Paul Chua and his corruption in the East? Was that a mistake that Milos reported? Oh, yeah, the
mistake was reporting it because the messenger got punished instead of the offender.
Why the IFBB has a musclehead like you involved is a mystery to me. We need guys with integrity for a start and not some bullshit artist on Getbig.
What the fuck are you on, Basile? A "sport" (I'm just about to pee in my pants writing this) whose biggest contest saw a pill peddler place second not that long ago (and who actually should have won) and a fruit abuser and G4P star place fourth in 2009 wouldn't survive without compulsive liars to represent it. Who better than a guy who spent probably the last twenty years of his life dodging uncomfortable questions about all the filth in which Pro Bbing bathes to represent it?
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Wolf's conditioning was horrible guys, The guy has great potential but he looked like shit at the O and we all know it. Go back to Milos Dennis.
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Assuming what you say is correct, Weider and Wolf were in discussions, if not negotiations, PRIOR to the expiration if his MD contract, which may or may not constitute tortious interference with contractual relations.
Blechman, call me.
P.S. Re-signing a guy is a different horse. Weider has always kept loyal guys on the payroll long after they've proven useful, except for Ronnie Coleman, who was unceremoniously dumped shortly after breaching Weider protocol and appearing on Big Nation Radio.
P.P.S. If Weider signed Matarazzo after finishing last at his first Olympia, I stand corrected and admit I was wrong. I apologize for my error. (See, that didn't hurt so bad! Try it sometime!)
LOL....good luck with that one, this aint the NFL buddy...that said, Wolf was in discussions a year EARLIER with Weider, as I stated...and nothing was mentioned of any interference, etc...I've seen, read, negotiated many supp contracts for athletes...I have yet to see that specifically stated.
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Bob, shake your head because you are full of it. Pro bodybuilding is ugly and even knights like you can't polish it clean again.
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Bob, shake your head because you are full of it. Pro bodybuilding is ugly and even knights like you can't polish it clean again.
Still waiting for a response, ImBasile...I addressed your post item by item, and you have nothing to back yourself up?
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vince b, this is the quote bob refers to.
he corrects each of your 'conspiracy theorys'.
will you accept defeat with this particular argument regarding wolf?
Your ignorance never ceases to amaze, ImBasile...
Wolf placed better when he was under contract with MD, so let me get this right...with a pending contract with Weider, the "powers that be" and "politics" decided to place him LAST?
I'm actually starting to feel bad for you...you know, like the neighborhood bully picking on the retarded kid
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Still waiting for a response, ImBasile...I addressed your post item by item, and you have nothing to back yourself up?
So Chick... do you, (or anyone else here for that matter), honestly believe that Dexter Jackson would have walked away with the O title in 08, had he not signed with AMI/Weider shortly before that? He was constantly in the same condition year after year, so it wasn't like he produced something unusual for him that year.
Smart $$$ is on signing with AMI/Weider was the last hurdle he needed to cross before obtaining the title. A Muscletech sponsorship alone, wont cut it apparently.
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Smart $$$ is on signing with AMI/Weider was the last hurdle he needed to cross before obtaining the title. A Muscletech sponsorship alone, wont cut it apparently.
Bodybuilding Math for Dummies
1) Wolf 2009 > Cutler 2007 = Cutler Mr. O; Wolf 16th Place
2) Victor/MD 2007 > Jay/AMI 2007 = No Mr. O Title
3) Dexter 2004-2007 + MD = No Mr. O Title
4) Dexter 2008 + AMI = Mr. O
5) Olympia 2009 - Cutler = Dexter Mr. O
6) Olympia + Branch + MD <> Mr. O
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5 star thread
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vince b, this is the quote bob refers to.
he corrects each of your 'conspiracy theorys'.
will you accept defeat with this particular argument regarding wolf?
I rest my case..
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Bodybuilding Math for Dummies
1) Wolf 2009 > Cutler 2007 = Cutler Mr. O; Wolf 16th Place
2) Victor/MD 2007 > Jay/AMI 2007 = No Mr. O Title
3) Dexter 2004-2007 + MD = No Mr. O Title
4) Dexter 2008 + AMI = Mr. O
5) Olympia 2009 - Cutler = Dexter Mr. O
6) Olympia + Branch + MD <> Mr. O
Why didnt you just post your "Top 10" list from the Olympia...guess 0-10 didnt quite support your conspiracy theory, huh?
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Bob, Bob, Bob, you and Goodrum have no shame. Zero. You have more hide than an elephant and use it to reflect the criticism that comes your way.
Anyone with half a clue can see that the IFBB runs suspect contests. Who picks the judges? Ah, that is important. Who picked the judges for the Masters Pro?
You are representing an insider, backroom boys group who make the decisions for what is going to happen in professional bodybuilding. You can call us all the names you want
but that doesn't erase the stench that exists re the IFBB and their contests. What about Paul Chua and his corruption in the East? Was that a mistake that Milos reported? Oh, yeah, the
mistake was reporting it because the messenger got punished instead of the offender.
Why the IFBB has a musclehead like you involved is a mystery to me. We need guys with integrity for a start and not some bullshit artist on Getbig.
I have no earthly idea as to why you think that me and Chick are working together or something. He's the IFBB Athletes Rep and since I'm not an IFBB pro, he doesn't represent me whatsoever.
The reason I agree with Chick 99% of the time is because it just common sense as to what he's saying. It amazes me that people think his position as Athletes Rep gives him magical powers and he's making 6 figures. The fact that he should be applauded for actually helping out IFBB athletes without any compensation whatsoever.
But no, old man Basile thinks that there's a whole conspiracy about the IFBB because Arnold Schwartznegger marked you last place at the Australian Pro. My advice is to see your doctor and get a change in prescription.
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What a disgrace the judging is
The Chad is why
you have your answer
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Why didnt you just post your "Top 10" list from the Olympia...guess 0-10 didnt quite support your conspiracy theory, huh?
Why don't YOU post it? Seems you've spent a lot more time studying it than I have. Just admit it: The judges intentionally bumped Branch ahead of Dexter just so Special Ed's prediction of Dexter in 2nd would be wrong.
After all, no one actually believes MD Branch wouldve won without Jay in the contest.
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After all, no one actually believes MD Branch wouldve won without Jay in the contest.
This is 100% true. If jay didnt compete or came in extremely off, there is NO WAY branch takes #1 and dexter #2.
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This is 100% true. If jay didnt compete or came in extremely off, there is NO WAY branch takes #1 and dexter #2.
Which has nothing to do with MD, or any other affiliation...and everything to do with how BBers match up against each other...we covered this on a post Olympia PBW show..
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Bodybuilding Math for Dummies
1) Wolf 2009 > Cutler 2007 = Cutler Mr. O; Wolf 16th Place
2) Victor/MD 2007 > Jay/AMI 2007 = No Mr. O Title
3) Dexter 2004-2007 + MD = No Mr. O Title
4) Dexter 2008 + AMI = Mr. O
5) Olympia 2009 - Cutler = Dexter Mr. O
6) Olympia + Branch + MD <> Mr. O
Brilliant!
Bob, what would happen to you hypothetically speaking, if you were to agree with us and acknowledge that Weider/AMI and the IFBB will never allow a MD "athlete" to win the O.
I assume the Manions and whichever power broker of the IFBB read all of this posted on here religiously. Would you agree?
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Brilliant!
Bob, what would happen to you hypothetically speaking, if you were to agree with us and acknowledge that Weider/AMI and the IFBB will never allow a MD "athlete" to win the O.
I assume the Manions and whichever power broker of the IFBB read all of this posted on here religiously. Would you agree?
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Nothing would happen...it would be my opinion. That said, It would never be said, as I dont believe that for a minute...you guys look WAY too hard into these things and have quite the vivid imaginations...
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The problem with bodybuilding is that you have guys like Chick involved. This dude is nothing but an internet thug. He has no class at all and no shame whatever.
Let me get this straight. Pro bodybuilders have problems and grievances so the Pro League APPOINTS their athletes rep for them! Come on, only knuckleheads would accept that bullshit.
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The problem with bodybuilding is that you have guys like Chick involved. This dude is nothing but an internet thug. He has no class at all and no shame whatever.
Let me get this straight. Pro bodybuilders have problems and grievances so the Pro League APPOINTS their athletes rep for them! Come on, only knuckleheads would accept that bullshit.
LOL..shut the fuck up ImBasile....you've got nothing to do with nothing...when I start getting complaints from those I represent, then it will be an issue...
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LOL..shut the fuck up ImBasile....you've got nothing to do with nothing...when I start getting complaints from those I represent, then it will be an issue...
The pros don't complain because they are apethetic, and probably feel that things wont change anyway. Of course this isn't your fault, but it is the truth nonetheless.....
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Bob, Bob, Bob, shake your head! But not so fast otherwise your toupee will fall off!
You haven't got a clue about anything so I guess that is why they appointed you to that phoney position. Pro athletes rep, my ass. You represent Manion and are nothing but his patsy and stooge.
You haven't even apologized for your misguided reports that I won the Mr Canada because I was the only competitor. You and Goodrum are internet nincompoops.
Hope this helps!
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The pros don't complain because they are apethetic, and probably feel that things wont change anyway. Of course this isn't your fault, but it is the truth nonetheless.....
Where have you been? The pros don't complain because they get punished if they speak out. This sport has been corrupt for a very long time. You tow the line or you don't win. That is the truth and everyone knows it.
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You guys need to stop all this negativity about pro bodybuilding. All of these lies about BS judging. Next thing you're going to tell me is that the articles about how pros just use creatine, whey, and whole foods is a sham too. I refuse to believe it. I hope to one day be at a press conference for the Olympia (though it probably won't be as crowded as the one below) and deliver this:
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The pros don't complain because they are apethetic, and probably feel that things wont change anyway. Of course this isn't your fault, but it is the truth nonetheless.....
What do you believe they should be complaining about?
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Your ignorance never ceases to amaze, ImBasile...
Wolf placed better when he was under contract with MD, so let me get this right...with a pending contract with Weider, the "powers that be" and "politics" decided to place him LAST?
I'm actually starting to feel bad for you...you know, like the neighborhood bully picking on the retarded kid
STILL waiting for cognisant response, Basile...you make yourself look like a bigger idiot everytime you open your mouth. Your inability to say anything of substance, or back up any of the ignorant posts you make is laughable...I addressed your items one by one, lets see if you can dig yourself out with anything other than your regular drivel of "stooge, patsy,puppet, flotsam, etc...
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he should not have been 16th and neither should RUHL have....
the great RUHL was bigger, wider, taller and more developed than anyone, and had improved conditioning as well.
he looked as IMPRESSIVE as anyone on stage.
16th place.
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Bob's job is simple. He is the Pro League sheepdog. He keeps the flock in line. If any think about straying he warns them of the consequences.
His appointment is a travesty and remains a blotch in pro bodybuilding. This former deputy sheriff is more concerned about enforcing the IFBB rules than representing musclemen.
IFBB rule number 1. Do what you are told.
IFBB rule number 2. If in doubt refer to rule number 1.
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Which has nothing to do with MD, or any other affiliation...and everything to do with how BBers match up against each other...we covered this on a post Olympia PBW show..
Hmmm...that's an odd statement.
Are you saying that Dexter compares favorably to Branch but still took 3rd?
Or are you agreeing with me that Branch would still have been 2nd and Dexter would've leapfrogged him and won?
And of course, it would have absolutely NOTHING to do with Branch being with MD...and "EVERYTHING to do with how [Branch and Dexter] match up against each other..."
Hmmm....one more time so we can all understand. Without Jay in the contest, the placings would somehow shift around?? I know I didn't attend police academy, so can you spell this out for me?
My apologies for missing your explanation on your radio show. You have a great voice but Dan reminds me of my annoying cousin with the deviated septum.
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STILL waiting for cognisant response, Basile...you make yourself look like a bigger idiot everytime you open your mouth. Your inability to say anything of substance, or back up any of the ignorant posts you make is laughable...I addressed your items one by one, lets see if you can dig yourself out with anything other than your regular drivel of "stooge, patsy,puppet, flotsam, etc...
Anytime now, Basile...
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Your inability to say anything of substance, or back up any of the ignorant posts you make is laughable...I addressed your items one by one, lets see if you can dig yourself out with anything other than your regular drivel of "stooge, patsy,puppet, flotsam, etc...
You don't seem to be laughing here, Bob. Guess it is draining having to defend the IFBB.
The substance of my posts is that you are a sham as the athletes rep. The flotsam will eventually figure this out. Many have already done so.
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Hmmm...that's an odd statement.
Are you saying that Dexter compares favorably to Branch but still took 3rd?
Or are you agreeing with me that Branch would still have been 2nd and Dexter would've leapfrogged him and won?
And of course, it would have absolutely NOTHING to do with Branch being with MD...and "EVERYTHING to do with how [Branch and Dexter] match up against each other..."
Hmmm....one more time so we can all understand. Without Jay in the contest, the placings would somehow shift around?? I know I didn't attend police academy, so can you spell this out for me?
My apologies for missing your explanation on your radio show. You have a great voice but Dan reminds me of my annoying cousin with the deviated septum.
Bodybuilding, as you know, is all about comparison...against other competitors. sometimes, it's about comparison against your prior self (unfairly, but a part of human nature as judges)
It's my opinion that without Jay in the line-up...that Dexter is given the nod as a reigning Mr. Olympia against Branch...(for the record, I though Dexter SHOULD have been 2nd anyway)
That said, the reasoning is simple...Branch matches up very well against Jay, as they have similiar builds in muscularity, density, build, etc...so with Jay in the winning seat (as he was when he walked out)...it's very natural to have Branch contend against him (especially given the fact that Branch was 100%) as were comparing "apples to apples"....
Dex was also in great shape, but obviously has a 180 degree different look than Jay or Branch...which makes for a "apples/ oranges" comparison...if the judges were looking at Jay as the winner, then I see where they picked Branch as the runner -up as he exhibited the same qualities.
Lets pretend Jay isnt in the show....now you have an incumbant Mr. Olympia against a guy who has never beaten him, and two different physiques competing against each other....now the judges have to make a decision , and my belief, is that they would have gone with Dexter...
It's the same senario that led to the demise of Nasser IMO, as he was much better compared when Dorian was standing next to him, with similiar builds...when Dorian retired, all of a sudden, he was the odd man out standing next to Flex, Kevin, Shawn, Chris...
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You don't seem to be laughing here, Bob. Guess it is draining having to defend the IFBB.
The substance of my posts is that you are a sham as the athletes rep. The flotsam will eventually figure this out. Many have already done so.
all you've accomplished is exposing yourself...not the first time, I'm sure
The only thing I'm laughing at, Basile...is your willingness to make a complete ass of yourself on a daily basis...
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Chick can you name three things that the IFBB need to improve on?
I would surely hope so.....
If so what are they?
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You don't seem to be laughing here, Bob. Guess it is draining having to defend the IFBB.
The substance of my posts is that you are a sham as the athletes rep. The flotsam will eventually figure this out. Many have already done so.
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Your post don't matter because you are talking about of your ass. Its amazing that you and other come up with these silly conspiracy theories about the IFBB.
As far as your 1970 Mr Canada. The only person its relevant to is you. Everyone has heard your winded story about your coveted "precious" and no one cares about it anymore if they ever did.
The IFBB isn't the X-Files of bodybuilding. Its no different than believing that the US Government went and crashed planes into the Twin Towers
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Bob, no doubt I keep you up late at night so you can post witty retorts to what I say about you. Now, that is funny! ;D
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Chick can you name three things that the IFBB need to improve on?
I would surely hope so.....
If so what are they?
I believe I asked YOU a question....
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Also Chick...while you are at it...in an unrelated question...do you think you would have stood a chance with a prime Zane?
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Vince G CSN MFT and Bob Chick make a good tag team. Getbig stooges against the flotsam!
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I believe I asked YOU a question....
OK...how about a return to diuretic testing...judging standards that don't reward site injections, synthol, other oddities, or bloated/distended stomachs?
A return to actual posing trunks, instead of the psuedo-thongs that we see today...
Marking down competitors that have bad skin, (which as I recall...skin tone is actually supposed to be judged)....or marking people down that have obvious signs of chemical abuse...
Thats just for starters... I'm sure I could come up with more...now answer my question...
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Also Chick...while you are at it...in an unrelated question...do you think you would have stood a chance with a prime Zane?
An unfair comparison..and I've always had an issue with comparing era's...too many variables.
Zane was the best in the world for 3 years at one time...cant take anything away from the guy
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OK...how about a return to diuretic testing...judging standards that don't reward site injections, synthol, other oddities, or bloated/distended stomachs?
A return to actual posing trunks, instead of the psuedo-thongs that we see today...
Marking down competitors that have bad skin, (which as I recall...skin tone is actually supposed to be judged)....or marking people down that have obvious signs of chemical abuse...
Thats just for starters... I'm sure I could come up with more...now answer my question...
The question was: What do you believe they (the competitors) should be complaining about...
THESE are items you believe the guys SHOULD be complaining about???
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The question was: What do you believe they (the competitors) should be complaining about...
THESE are items you believe the guys SHOULD be complaining about???
YEs...and this is just for starters...
But wait... none of those are valid I suppose.... ::)
Diuretics, stomach distention, etc is great!
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Vince G CSN MFT and Bob Chick make a good tag team. Getbig stooges against the flotsam!
You're dodging and evading Chick's questions with your usual dribble.
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Bodybuilding, as you know, is all about comparison...against other competitors. sometimes, it's about comparison against your prior self (unfairly, but a part of human nature as judges)
It's my opinion that without Jay in the line-up...that Dexter is given the nod as a reigning Mr. Olympia against Branch...(for the record, I though Dexter SHOULD have been 2nd anyway)
That said, the reasoning is simple...Branch matches up very well against Jay, as they have similiar builds in muscularity, density, build, etc...so with Jay in the winning seat (as he was when he walked out)...it's very natural to have Branch contend against him (especially given the fact that Branch was 100%) as were comparing "apples to apples"....
Dex was also in great shape, but obviously has a 180 degree different look than Jay or Branch...which makes for a "apples/ oranges" comparison...if the judges were looking at Jay as the winner, then I see where they picked Branch as the runner -up as he exhibited the same qualities.
Lets pretend Jay isnt in the show....now you have an incumbant Mr. Olympia against a guy who has never beaten him, and two different physiques competing against each other....now the judges have to make a decision , and my belief, is that they would have gone with Dexter...
It's the same senario that led to the demise of Nasser IMO, as he was much better compared when Dorian was standing next to him, with similiar builds...when Dorian retired, all of a sudden, he was the odd man out standing next to Flex, Kevin, Shawn, Chris...
Thanks for the straight answer without any digs at my profession, opinion, top ten lists, predictions, or looks. ;D
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YEs...and this is just for starters...
But wait... none of those are valid I suppose.... ::)
Diuretics, stomach distention, etc is great!
I never said they werent valid, and all of them have been addressed (except for the trunks thing)...
Obviously, the guys WITHOUT distention, complain about those who DO...guys without strange lumps, etc, complain about those who do, etc...those are all judging criteria, and have been brought up time and again...
It's a tougher point than just drawing a line in the sand, as you have senarios where one competitor is CLEARLY better than another, but might not have the best waist...what do you do? I've seen the same in regards to the FBB...especially at the local/ regional level...one girl wins here class, and is smooth/ fat, not much muscle....another wins her class and is a beast...what do you do? award the one who is fat and looks like just just started in the gym 2 weeks ago? or give it to the manly chick who is hard looking?
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Thanks for the straight answer without any digs at my profession, opinion, top ten lists, predictions, or looks. ;D
No problem, I return in -kind...
Curious to hear your response...
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Since when does Branch Warren look better than Dennis Wolf? The judges are incompetent. They use definition as the default criterion to separate the men. Sure Branch had more cuts in the back but so what? Dennis still has a better physique.
Chick knows that Dexter was better than Branch. Why all this bullshit about placings? The IFBB is corrupt or incompetent or both.
Arguing with guys like Chick and Goodrum is a waste of time.
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Since when does Branch Warren look better than Dennis Wolf? The judges are incompetent. They use definition as the default criterion to separate the men. Sure Branch had more cuts in the back but so what? Dennis still has a better physique.
Chick knows that Dexter was better than Branch. Why all this bullshit about placings? The IFBB is corrupt or incompetent or both.
Arguing with guys like Chick and Goodrum is a waste of time.
X2 Basile you have a good point here.
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I never said they werent valid, and all of them have been addressed (except for the trunks thing)...
Obviously, the guys WITHOUT distention, complain about those who DO...guys without strange lumps, etc, complain about those who do, etc...those are all judging criteria, and have been brought up time and again...
It's a tougher point than just drawing a line in the sand, as you have senarios where one competitor is CLEARLY better than another, but might not have the best waist...what do you do? I've seen the same in regards to the FBB...especially at the local/ regional level...one girl wins here class, and is smooth/ fat, not much muscle....another wins her class and is a beast...what do you do? award the one who is fat and looks like just just started in the gym 2 weeks ago? or give it to the manly chick who is hard looking?
Hmm... Site injectons/ Lumps/ and Distention should all carry a 0 tolerance policy. There are plenty of great physiques coming up thru the ranks, that there wont be a sudden shortage of quality competitors if these things are actully enforced.
In the past the IFBB has actully issued mandates on Guts, and I believe on bumps/lumps but they are not enforced.
This is silly and needs to be corrected....
Also they were on the right track with the diuretic testing, but really dropped the ball, when they wouldnt stand up to Cutlers crying and whining when he failed the test.
Even though Im not the biggest fan of the guy, I have to give Nasser a lot of credit...he too failed the Diuretic testing...but at least he took it in stride. He was quoted as saying, (I paraphrase), "When I started my last min prep, we werent sure if the Diuretic testing would actully take place, so I decided not to take any chances, by the time I was tested it was too late."
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Since when does Branch Warren look better than Dennis Wolf? The judges are incompetent. They use definition as the default criterion to separate the men. Sure Branch had more cuts in the back but so what? Dennis still has a better physique.
Chick knows that Dexter was better than Branch. Why all this bullshit about placings? The IFBB is corrupt or incompetent or both.
Arguing with guys like Chick and Goodrum is a waste of time.
When is Branch better? Simple: when one is in shape, and the other one isnt...
No wonder they kicked you off any judging panles years ago...
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Yeah, Bob, what do I know? I had Rusty Jeffers clearly ahead of you in the Masters Pro.
Dennis Wolf was in great shape at the Olympia. He wasn't as cut as 07 but still huge and impressive. Branch is blocky and weird looking compared to the majesty of Wolf.
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Chick where would you have placed Wolf, higher than 16th? Basile has a good case here.
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No problem, I return in -kind...
Curious to hear your response...
My opinion is that one should be able to run down the top 10 competitors and state definitively, that at the 2009 Mr. Olympia, Jay was better than Branch, who was better than Dexter, who was better than Kai, etc...
So I respectfully disagree with the whole apples and oranges argument as it applies to Branch vs. Dexter. I thought Branch was the reason why they added the 'Most Muscular' award.
In my opinion, a sharp Dexter easily and always beats a sharp Branch because he has superior shape and structure. That should be the case regardless of who else is in the show. I can understand having some difficulty with Ruhl vs. Dexter or Ruhl vs. Branch, because of the vast difference in size and shape (and synthol use), but Dexter and Branch are about the same height. Dexter is wider at the shoulders, narrower at the waist, and has more detail and better separation.
I appreciate Branch's physique, but Palumbo didn't deserve to beat Toney Freeman at the 02 Nationals and Branch didn't deserve to beat Dexter at the 09 Olympia, regardless of what other fruits (apples, oranges, grapefruits) were in the show.
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What would Bob know? He was behind the microphone so saw the contest from the side. Exactly the best position for the pro athletes rep, don't you think?
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Chick where would you have placed Wolf, higher than 16th? Basile has a good case here.
He has no case here....the criteria at the National and Pro level is simple...if you're not in shape, it doesn't matter how much "potential" you have , or how much symmetry, etc..you can be a LITTLE off, and have your proportion/ symmetry/ etc get you through, as I believe the better OVERALL physique should get rewarded...but not when it's such a diametrical difference...
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You know, outsiders dismiss bodybuilding and for good reason. Look at the circus that is the Olympia! The pro athletes have a rep and what does he do? He MCs the contest. Well, who knows the lads better than the pro athletes rep, right? Bob also comments on the contest via broadcasts and he gives candid criticisms of the same hapless athletes.
Wait a minute, Bob is a fair dinkum bloke and allround do-gooder for mankind. Heresay has it that he does this representing unpaid. Yep, you heard it here first. Not a penny in his pocket for his tireless, and much unappreciated work bringing justice and fairness to bodybuilders around the world. He would be for strict drug testing but the athletes don't want that so his hands are tied. You have to feel sorry for a genuine guy like Bob who would do much more if the musclemen would see things his way.
It isn't appropriate that an athletes rep discuss contest placings on the internet or is it? That sort of thing can impact on future placings and really, should this rep voice his opinion? Well, it is merely his personal opinion. However, he is no ordinary being and his opinions mean something in bodybuilding circles. Rumour has it that he is an insider in the circle of backroom boys who make the big decisions for pro athletes.
Guys like Special Ed and myself should desist from bagging hapless Chick because he is flat out on all 4 cylinders trying to do the best he can in a very trying position.
Bob, a question? Can you report about the last pro athletes meeting, how many attended, and the election of pro athletes rep for 2010. Many thanks. Your efforts do not go unnoticed. Oh, wait, Bob already received IFBB recognition for his untiring efforts to bodybuilding. Surely there is another award that can be presented just for him!
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My opinnion is becasue he didn't look the way he did in 2007. He really didn't look so bad last fall. I dunno. I STILL think he will be the next Mr O.
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Look, folks, this isn't rocket science. Bodybuilding judging, that is. Bob is wrong that definition should be the deciding criterion. That is what has evolved because that is just about the only thing the judges can agree about re physiques. What about size, shape, proportions, lines and overall appearance? Those are equally important when judging bodybuilders.
Every year we see the same controversies in the Olympia. Guys have won with blown calves and biceps and no one noticed. Good grief who are the judges? Who selects the judges? Obviously, the process is unsatisfactory. The pro athletes rep should see this and be talking about that. What does he do? He calls everyone who disagrees with him idiots. Yep, that is our Bob Chick, the epitome of stooges and uncrowned dunce of Getbig. Wait, Goodrum already owns that title. Well, they make a good pair with all the pontificating as if they are bona fide experts.
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Anytime now, Basile...
STILL waiting, Basile...
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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way--in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.
There were a king with a large jaw and a queen with a plain face, on the throne of England; there were a king with a large jaw and a queen with a fair face, on the throne of France. In both countries it was clearer than crystal to the lords of the State preserves of loaves and fishes, that things in general were settled for ever.
It was the year of Our Lord one thousand seven hundred and seventy-five. Spiritual revelations were conceded to England at that favoured period, as at this. Mrs. Southcott had recently attained her five-and-twentieth blessed birthday, of whom a prophetic private in the Life Guards had heralded the sublime appearance by announcing that arrangements were made for the swallowing up of London and Westminster. Even the Cock-lane ghost had been laid only a round dozen of years, after rapping out its messages, as the spirits of this very year last past (supernaturally deficient in originality) rapped out theirs. Mere messages in the earthly order of events had lately come to the English Crown and People, from a congress of British subjects in America: which, strange to relate, have proved more important to the human race than any communications yet received through any of the chickens of the Cock-lane brood.
France, less favoured on the whole as to matters spiritual than her sister of the shield and trident, rolled with exceeding smoothness down hill, making paper money and spending it. Under the guidance of her Christian pastors, she entertained herself, besides, with such humane achievements as sentencing a youth to have his hands cut off, his tongue torn out with pincers, and his body burned alive, because he had not kneeled down in the rain to do honour to a dirty procession of monks which passed within his view, at a distance of some fifty or sixty yards. It is likely enough that, rooted in the woods of France and Norway, there were growing trees, when that sufferer was put to death, already marked by the Woodman, Fate, to come down and be sawn into boards, to make a certain movable framework with a sack and a knife in it, terrible in history. It is likely enough that in the rough outhouses of some tillers of the heavy lands adjacent to Paris, there were sheltered from the weather that very day, rude carts, bespattered with rustic mire, snuffed about by pigs, and roosted in by poultry, which the Farmer, Death, had already set apart to be his tumbrils of the Revolution. But that Woodman and that Farmer, though they work unceasingly, work silently, and no one heard them as they went about with muffled tread: the rather, forasmuch as to entertain any suspicion that they were awake, was to be atheistical and traitorous.
In England, there was scarcely an amount of order and protection to justify much national boasting. Daring burglaries by armed men, and highway robberies, took place in the capital itself every night; families were publicly cautioned not to go out of town without removing their furniture to upholsterers' warehouses for security; the highwayman in the dark was a City tradesman in the light, and, being recognised and challenged by his fellow- tradesman whom he stopped in his character of "the Captain," gallantly shot him through the head and rode away; the mall was waylaid by seven robbers, and the guard shot three dead, and then got shot dead himself by the other four, "in consequence of the failure of his ammunition:" after which the mall was robbed in peace; that magnificent potentate, the Lord Mayor of London, was made to stand and deliver on Turnham Green, by one highwayman, who despoiled the illustrious creature in sight of all his retinue; prisoners in London gaols fought battles with their turnkeys, and the majesty of the law fired blunderbusses in among them, loaded with rounds of shot and ball; thieves snipped off diamond crosses from the necks of noble lords at Court drawing-rooms; musketeers went into St. Giles's, to search for contraband goods, and the mob fired on the musketeers, and the musketeers fired on the mob, and nobody thought any of these occurrences much out of the common way. In the midst of them, the hangman, ever busy and ever worse than useless, was in constant requisition; now, stringing up long rows of miscellaneous criminals; now, hanging a housebreaker on Saturday who had been taken on Tuesday; now, burning people in the hand at Newgate by the dozen, and now burning pamphlets at the door of Westminster Hall; to-day, taking the life of an atrocious murderer, and to-morrow of a wretched pilferer who had robbed a farmer's boy of sixpence.
All these things, and a thousand like them, came to pass in and close upon the dear old year one thousand seven hundred and seventy-five. Environed by them, while the Woodman and the Farmer worked unheeded, those two of the large jaws, and those other two of the plain and the fair faces, trod with stir enough, and carried their divine rights with a high hand. Thus did the year one thousand seven hundred and seventy-five conduct their Greatnesses, and myriads of small creatures--the creatures of this chronicle among the rest--along the roads that lay before them.
Vince, please.
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Anyone can see that is a parody and not anything remolely like I would write.
Hope this helps.
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STILL waiting, Basile...
......and we are waiting for an honest election for the pro athletes rep.
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Anyone can see that is a parody and not anything remolely like I would write.
Hope this helps.
You're rather parodyish yourself, Basile.
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I make jokes about the truth. I don't make up stories.
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I make jokes about the truth.
Conversely, I tell the truth about jokes.
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Dennis wasn't in shape, to place high you have to be in shape, enough said. Move on.
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Dennis wasn't in shape, to place high you have to be in shape, enough said. Move on.
Heath didn't look much better to. In fact i think Chrismas came early for him. I understand he was sick buthe and Victor were just as off as Dennis. The IFBB media just hunted Wolf because he avoided other shows. He was off and admits it but he belonged in the top 10 if Heath and Martinez placed in the top 6.