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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Topskin69 on January 16, 2010, 06:14:17 PM
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*I just recently posted this.... but decided that it probably deserves its own thread.... *
Ron I hope that you and the rest of the board read this, and give it some serious thought. I don't say any of this to be rude, but to rather try and thoughtfully affect your way of thinking...
The problem with you Ron, is not that you care about Bodybuilding, but rather that you want to keep the Status Quo going. You like the press passes, and the esteem of your fellow peers in this industry, and any feeling of camaraderie that may come from being on the periphery of this culture.
I for one...care about this subculture, and enjoy talking about actual Bodybuilding, both on the competitive, and non-competitive sides of the spectrum, however, if we are to be honest in discussing, or assessing this subculture, we need to address the many and varied problems that are associated with it.
There are some that are incessantly negative, and that can get old, just as there are some, (I dare say like yourself), that like to take a Pollyanna, saccharine view of the sport, and refuse to actually address the skeletons that lie in our house.
Both extremes will always exist, and as usual, the truth will be somewhere in the middle of the road, and this is the price we pay for having a fairly unmoderated forum.
The only way we are going to see an improvement in Bodybuilding is if we continue to allow the dirty laundry to air. In the past it was easy for the Bodybuilding hierarchy to keep it all hush hush, as it never anticipated an internet age, in which any indiscretions would come back to haunt the guility.
For years, prostitution, (both male and female), for anything ranging from drugs, to placings, and anything in between have taken place, and will continue to do so, unless we can discourage this type of behavior by mocking it to the point that no one would dare do it, for fear of getting caught, and being the next laughing stock.
G4P/Prostitution is not even the tip of the Iceberg... The entire industry relies on a disingenious approach to maintain its survival. Chemical physiques sell products that are either outright ineffective, or do not come anywhere near the claims of its advertisers, (note I am not against supplements, and I even take a few, but I am an informed consumer, that can see past the bullshit).
Young people that are getting into this, need to know exactly what to expect, in terms of the drug use that they will be likely have to go thru, in addition to the other crap that a serious contender will have to endure if they are serious about obtaining a pro card... (offers for "sponsorship," come to mind).
Chasing the bodybuilding dream is not always a wholesome tale, and anyone that is seriously considering becoming deeply involved in "the dream," needs to understand some of the potential pitfalls, if they are going to make informed decisions, even if it means having to put up with jaded, or overly negative people.
I speak this from experience, I attempted to live the dream.... at one point in my life I lived out of a Van in Venice so I could cut down on living expenses in an effort to try to crack my way into competitive bodybuilding.... I worked full time in Hollywood, and trained in Gold's Venice. I even sold drugs to try to make more $$ that I needed. (When I say drugs, I am referring to Steroids, ancillary drugs, etc.)
I have both engaged in, and witnessed Pro's doing illegal activities, and I know of some Pro's in the area trying to use their status as a pro to try and procure gay sexual favors from impressionable young men. This is just part of what I was in the loop while I lived in Venice...and that is nothing compared to people that have been in the Game a long time...
The main point of this, is that there are many positive aspects to Bodybuilding, and I like to talk about them, but there are many bad apples in this industry, and negative sides to it, so you are doing a major disservice to the very industry you claim to care about if you try and censor it.
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At the end of the day this is Ron's house and he makes the rules.
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Topskin, were you in Bigger, Stronger, Faster?
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Topskin, were you in Bigger, Stronger, Faster?
No, but I remember watching some of the interviews, and footage that was shot for it. I didn't pay it much attention at the time, but it was surprising to actually see it become a released theatrical movie.
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What's The Kool Aid Crew?
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Cliffs?
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Cliffs?
I push my fingers into my eyes...
It's the only thing that slowly stops the ache...
But it's made of all the things I have to take...
Jesus, it never ends, it works it's way inside...
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I push my fingers into my eyes...
It's the only thing that slowly stops the ache...
But it's made of all the things I have to take...
Jesus, it never ends, it works it's way inside...
Interesting.... certainly some food for thought for Ron and the kool aid crew.
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What's The Kool Aid Crew?
People that were bitching at all the censorship, and suddenly having an epic change of heart once Ron laid down the law.
I respect Ron, and I am not trying to piss on him, but I'm not afraid to call bullshit on his line of thinking, or on what happend to our comrades in Block, and Special Ed.
Special Ed has done a lot for Getbig, and is an integral part of its history. He deserves better.
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You already posted this in the other thread Ron started...Nobody cared then and nobody cares now.
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A little wordy but I think you make a good point. The exposing of the immoral and corrupt is a good thing as it sets up consequences for those that engage in that behavior and it informs the young and ignorant to the pitfalls of the industry.
But it is Ron's place and he is free censor as he pleases.
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What would 2 Live Crew say?
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A little wordy but I think you make a good point. The exposing of the immoral and corrupt is a good thing as it sets up consequences for those that engage in that behavior and it informs the young and ignorant to the pitfalls of the industry.
But it is Ron's place and he is free censor as he pleases.
Yes... you pretty much just summed it all up in that paragraph. Also... Ron is allowed to do whatever he wants...it's his board, but again.. I do not have any qualms with stating what needs to be said.
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At the end of the day this is Ron's house and he makes the rules.
while this may be true the main fact often overlooked is he
is liable for everything posted here which is why he must censor.
rules got nothing to do with it. he can be sued because of any of us.
but until banned my stance won't change. i kneel before no man.
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while this may be true the main fact often overlooked is he
is liable for everything posted here which is why he must censor.
rules got nothing to do with it. he can be sued because of any of us.
but until banned my stance won't change. i kneel before no man.
I'm glad there is somebody else in my boat...lol. How long before we are in time out land?
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I'm glad there is somebody else in my boat...lol. How long before we are in time out land?
The over/under is "never." I take the over.
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my balls itch if i sweat while wearing sweat pants....
bench
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I could possibly braid the hair on my ass it is so long
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I could possibly braid the hair on my ass it is so long
Could you put it into a weave?
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Could you put it into a weave?
Corn rows
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People that were bitching at all the censorship, and suddenly having an epic change of heart once Ron laid down the law.
I respect Ron, and I am not trying to piss on him, but I'm not afraid to call bullshit on his line of thinking, or on what happend to our comrades in Block, and Special Ed.
Special Ed has done a lot for Getbig, and is an integral part of its history. He deserves better.
It probably has to do with his post about Steve Wienberg.
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People that were bitching at all the censorship, and suddenly having an epic change of heart once Ron laid down the law.
I respect Ron, and I am not trying to piss on him, but I'm not afraid to call bullshit on his line of thinking, or on what happend to our comrades in Block, and Special Ed.
Special Ed has done a lot for Getbig, and is an integral part of its history. He deserves better.
I see the point you're making but it's just bizarre to see guys debating about what should or shouldn't be said about a subculture which is pretty much a self parody to begin with in most people's eyes, and on top of which most of Getbig isn't even really about bodybuilding, but it seems like you're behaving out of genuine concern and I can respect that.
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It probably has to do with his post about Steve Wienberg.
So Steve has diplomatic immunity now? He is incapable of any wrong doing?
Just like Paul Chua was a model citizen, and the IFBB's official line was that Milo's was a lying piece of Scum, until allegations, became too hot for even them to ignore.
I understand if there is a legal mandate to remove content, but otherwise.... all I can say is "Seriously?!?"
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I push my fingers into my eyes...
It's the only thing that slowly stops the ache...
But it's made of all the things I have to take...
Jesus, it never ends, it works it's way inside...
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Relax, Dude. It's just guys in thongs and we're read/heard too much about the homosexuality you're politely terming subculture.
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i kneel before no man.
Not what I've heard.
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I see the point you're making but it's just bizarre to see guys debating about what should or shouldn't be said about a subculture which is pretty much a self parody to begin with in most people's eyes, and on top of which most of Getbig isn't even really about bodybuilding, but it seems like you're behaving out of genuine concern and I can respect that.
I am acting out of legitimate concern, and if you look over my post history, I am rarely negative, and usually try and have something with substance to say, (not always but most of the time). I realize that many here mock bodybuilding, but I think that is from disappointment... just about everyone here was into it at one point in time, and probably became disillusioned with it once they realized that it wasn't as picturesque as they once thought.
I still feel that Bodybuilding has a lot to offer, from a philosophical level, as to me it really is an existential pursuit, and has a lot of parallels that may not be obvious to the more jaded/casual person.
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Relax, Dude. It's just guys in thongs and we're read/heard too much about the homosexuality you're politely terming subculture.
What?? Homosexuals are not entitled to the umbrella of a "sub-culture?" :D
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You already posted this in the other thread Ron started...Nobody cared then and nobody cares now.
You aren't qualified to speak on that.
A statement like that means you have NO clue as to the immense value of GetBig, monetary and otherwise.
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The reality is Getbig doesn't do enough moderating and that is why it has been the wild west of muscle boards. Like someone said, the place is so offensive that it is no longer an offense to post crap about others.
Every muscle forum I have frequented has owners who either control, moderate, or dominate the forum. You can't say that about Getbig or Ron. Maybe because he doesn't pretend to be an expert in bodybuilding he allows a lot of leeway here.
If he has some connections with companies or organizations then it is natural that he will support and protect them and that is what we find here.
Guys like Special Ed are perhaps too smart for their own good and step on toes of important people or make them uncomfortable.
That being said I agree with Topskin that bodybuilding as a sub-culture is not stellar at the pro level. Good for those who tell it like it is. Unfortunately, how do we know when some insiders are telling the truth or telling stories?
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You aren't qualified to speak on that.
A statement like that means you have NO clue as to the immense value of GetBig, monetary and otherwise.
So what is your take on this? I assume you agree with me, and I am not a lone voice in the wilderness...
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So what is your take on this? I assume you agree with me, and I am not a lone voice in the wilderness...
*crickets*
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*crickets*
Lol... Apparently
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I don't have cankles
Not what I've heard. (http://www.freejunknstuff.com/laf.gif)
touche
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Not what I've heard. (http://www.freejunknstuff.com/laf.gif)
touche
Weak. :-\
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I am acting out of legitimate concern, and if you look over my post history, I am rarely negative, and usually try and have something with substance to say, (not always but most of the time). I realize that many here mock bodybuilding, but I think that is from disappointment... just about everyone here was into it at one point in time, and probably became disillusioned with it once they realized that it wasn't as picturesque as they once thought.
I still feel that Bodybuilding has a lot to offer, from a philosophical level, as to me it really is an existential pursuit, and has a lot of parallels that may not be obvious to the more jaded/casual person.
I reckon most everyone here lifts and is interested in their personal development, and there are some true believers in here, but at least half the board just come here for laughs. That's Getbig's appeal to most imo, and I hope it lies beyond the scope of any reforms Ron plans to make.
I've benefited from some nutrition and training advice here too, but threads about who's got the best quads or what one guy that no one ever heard of said about another guy that no one ever heard of are usually pretty boring until the trolling gets rolling. That's why I usually find blockhead's posts pretty dull, but I like Ed's work.
Anyway substance is good and Getbig's ostensible purpose should be maintained. Hope this disagreement about permissable content gets resolved without any loss of bodily fluids.
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I reckon most everyone here lifts and is interested in their personal development, and there are some true believers in here, but at least half the board just come here for laughs. That's Getbig's appeal to most imo, and I hope it lies beyond the scope of any reforms Ron plans to make.
I've benefited from some nutrition and training advice here too, but threads about who's got the best quads or what one guy that no one ever heard of said about another guy that no one ever heard of are usually pretty boring until the trolling gets rolling. That's why I usually find blockhead's posts pretty dull, but I like Ed's work.
Anyway substance is good and Getbig's ostensible purpose should be maintained. Hope this disagreement about permissable content gets resolved without any loss of bodily fluids.
I agree that Block's work is lacking, and that at least Special Ed is hilarious when he mocks bodybuilding....but I would hate to see the free speech that we have all enjoyed come to an end.
Also I would dare argue that despite the silliness, Special Ed is fond of bodybuilding, after all he was at one point attending expos, hosting a radio show about it, etc. Block has competed, and as much as he might criticise it, he at least has lived it, and has a right to.
Goatboy would be more of a fair target for worthless posting,...but then again he was funny a good portion of the time, so I suppose he added to the charm of Getbig.
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You aren't qualified to speak on that.
A statement like that means you have NO clue as to the immense value of GetBig, monetary and otherwise.
Of course getbig has value in various ways but it is no excuse to be spamming the same quotes in different threads.
I hate the idea of Ron censoring the site, I know I won't be hanging around if it continues to happen but then again I am one of the posters who really could care less about bodybuilding.
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Of course getbig has value in various ways but it is no excuse to be spamming the same quotes in different threads.
I hate the idea of Ron censoring the site, I know I won't be hanging around if it continues to happen but then again I am one of the posters who really could care less about bodybuilding.
If you paid attention I put a disclaimer at the beginning of the post, pointing out that it was posted earlier, but I thought that it would get more exposure as a separate thread.
I took the time to post something with content and substance, but apparently that is too hard for you to do as well... ::)
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Of course getbig has value in various ways but it is no excuse to be spamming the same quotes in different threads.
I hate the idea of Ron censoring the site, I know I won't be hanging around if it continues to happen but then again I am one of the posters who really could care less about bodybuilding.
Our strength lies in our apathy.
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I actualy think GB is pretty tame compared to how it used to be.
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I actualy think GB is pretty tame compared to how it used to be.
Yes it is... and its a shame. Also we have a positive board for this very reason...yet strangely enough no one wants to be "positive," as it is about as dead as a chance for a Kenny Logins comeback...
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Of course getbig has value in various ways but it is no excuse to be spamming the same quotes in different threads.
I hate the idea of Ron censoring the site, I know I won't be hanging around if it continues to happen but then again I am one of the posters who really could care less about bodybuilding.
LOL @ could care less! Cool enough.
If the current trend continues, like yourself, most of the best posters will leave GetBig or will begin to spend most of their 'board time' elsewhere. GetBig will still be alive, but will no longer be 'cool' and will soon become 'irrelevant'.
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LOL @ could care less! Cool enough.
If the current trend continues, like yourself, most of the best posters will leave GetBig or will begin to spend most of their 'board time' elsewhere. GetBig will still be alive, but will no longer be 'cool' and will soon become 'irrelevant'.
When was the last time it was anything but half the guys arguing over who had the most shredded glutes a particular year?
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I agree that Block's work is lacking, and that at least Special Ed is hilarious when he mocks bodybuilding....but I would hate to see the free speech that we have all enjoyed come to an end.
Also I would dare argue that despite the silliness, Special Ed is fond of bodybuilding, after all he was at one point attending expos, hosting a radio show about it, etc. Block has competed, and as much as he might criticise it, he at least has lived it, and has a right to.
Goatboy would be more of a fair target for worthless posting,...but then again he was funny a good portion of the time, so I suppose he added to the charm of Getbig.
Yes, I miss goatboy.
So you're saying full disclosure posting without censorship but no groundless bashing? Sounds close to what Ron's saying, isn't it? You guys just define your terms differently.
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When was the last time it was anything but half the guys arguing over who had the most shredded glutes a particular year?
Well perhaps more thought provoking discussions would take place, if bodybuilding was completly pissed on by everyone on here.
I try to comment on the good and the bad.
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Yes, I miss goatboy.
So you're saying full disclosure posting without censorship but no groundless bashing? Sounds close to what Ron's saying, isn't it? You guys just define your terms differently.
Well... I'm not fond of groundless bashing, but I advocate the ability to do so, if one chooses.
I believe that the community should dictate the standards. If someone is a worthless poster, then the pack will devour him, or if some one doesn't live up to what they preach, (as in the case of Pumpster), they get owned out of any hope of staying.
If there is no mandated censorship in place, the community will sitll regulate itself, and this is ideal.
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If you paid attention I put a disclaimer at the beginning of the post, pointing out that it was posted earlier, but I thought that it would get more exposure as a separate thread.
I took the time to post something with content and substance, but apparently that is too hard for you to do as well... ::)
Not my concern.
All I care about doing when I log on is getting pissing off other posters and pwning noobs.
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Not my concern.
All I care about doing when I log on is getting pissing off other posters and pwning noobs.
Well you're not doing a very good job, polycuntrottenpuss.
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Not my concern.
All I care about doing when I log on is getting pissing off other posters and pwning noobs.
Well simple things, amuse simple people, so carry on! :D
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Well simple things, amuse simple people, so carry on! :D
Thank you friend.
8)
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The end of getbig may be on the horizon.
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Well simple things, amuse simple people, so carry on! :D
Great post. This is why I am here.
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Great post. This is why I am here.
To amuse us?
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To amuse us?
Stop that. This is serious.
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Stop that. This is serious.
ok ???
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Glad we got that resolved.
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Glad we got that resolved.
We're white, we can agree to disagree without killing each other.
Ooops, this isn't the "Wiggs' wife banged a real black guy now Wiggs hates black dudes" thread. :-[
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We're white, we can agree to disagree without killing each other.
Ooops, this isn't the "Wiggs' wife banged a real black guy now Wiggs hates black dudes" thread. :-[
Another young brother without celebration of his pigmentation. Breaks my heart, man.
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she was a nice lady RIP
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I think more people here should consider supporting the concept of Matt's board, even though I think Woten/Duchaine is a complete Assclown.
Honestly...we need a forum that has all-inclusive free speech, and people behind it that are passionate about keeping it that way.
Say what you want about Matt C...but he cares about bodybuilding, and is willing to think outside the box and provide an anything goes forum that encourages debate.
I for one think that this is a worthy cause that we should try to support. Getbig is getting out of hand with inconsistent moderation standards, and is suppressing criticism, just so Ron can continue to enjoy prestige from his peers, at the cost of accurately portraying Bodybuilding.
I care about Bodybuilding and would like to see it improve, and that means taking the good with the bad...and we need an open forum to do that.
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not sure serious discussions on the industry can happen on a board where it's ok to post pictures of men/women having sex with farm animals. just sayin'....
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I replied on the original thread.
But there where you are wrong. Many dont care about bodybuilding, and wouldnt care if it goes away. I care more than you think. Going to a myriad of events per year, writing about it, taking pictures - is fun. I am not here as a bodybuilder, but again, when someone throughly dislikes the sport, time to go.
You are smart Topskin, you are rarely negative and you get your points across, which is great and debatable. I respect that.
Discuss what needs to improve - that is great. Even be a part of it, that is better. Come to the expos or contests and say hello - that is the best.
It will always be entertaining here, and more, and yes, you are right, I do feel like that it the extremist views create the biggest problem, especially if slanderous or just out of line.
You should already know that I don't care about prestige or have an ego. As for the cost of accurately portraying Bodybuilding, 90% negative isnt the true light either. How about the determination, the diet, and satisfaction of getting in shape.
As for the demise of Getbig, I have been hearing that for 5-7 years now. But it isnt about money for me, so don't worry. As long as I enjoy it and have people emailing me telling me that, I am cool.
Keep the original thread going instead of this one please...
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there needs to be a coup with Mars instilled as the supreme leader.