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Massa sacked aide in '06 for drinking with boys
Politico ^ | March 03, 2010 | Glenn Thrush
Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:44:39 PM by Second Amendment First
Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY) -- now the subject of a reported investigation into charges he sexually harassed a male staffer -- blew the whistle on his campaign manager in Nov. 2006 after the staffer was caught providing alcohol to three underage boys.
Massa accused Sanford Dickert of luring three underage boys into his Corning apartment, providing them with liquor and beer. The group partied so raucously that water leaked from the apartment into an antiques store below, according to a report in the Star-Gazette of Elmira.
[Story snippets, after the jump]
Massa fired Dickert -- and his campaign paid more than $3,000 for the damage to the apartment and the store, according to court documents obtained by the paper.
Dickert, a Manhattan resident who was an adjunct professor at Cooper Union, later filed a libel suit, TPM's David Kurtz reports. Kurtz reached Dickert, who had no comment on Massa.
CORNING Democratic congressional candidate Eric Massa fired his campaign manager in June and has accused him of providing alcohol to underage boys and inviting a teenage boy to spend the night with him.
Massa accused Sanford Dickert of New York City of luring three underage boys into his apartment in Corning and illegally providing them with beer and hard liquor. The ensuing party resulted in water damage to the apartment and to merchandise in an antique store underneath it. The store was forced to close for two days.
The Massa campaign paid more than $3,000 for the damage to the apartment and the store, according to court documents.
The allegations are contained in a document filed Oct. 19 in state Supreme Court in Steuben County. Dickert went to court to seek arbitration following his dismissal. Massa responded by filing for a stay of arbitration.
"It's an ongoing labor dispute," Massa said Wednesday. "Our attorneys are working out the details."
Massa said he did not learn until after he fired Dickert that the campaign manager had asked a 16-year-old boy to spend the night with him.
"We did not find out about any of those things until he was dismissed," Massa said. "We fully investigated. My campaign holds my employees ... to the highest standards of behavior. We took corrective action and moved forward."
According to documents filed in the court case, Dickert was hired as Massa's campaign manager in April at a salary of $7,500 per month through September and $10,000 per month for October and November.
In an Aug. 25 affidavit, Massa says Dickert fraudulently misrepresented his qualifications for the job by claiming that he had served capably as chief technology officer for U.S. Sen. John Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign. In fact, Massa said, Dickert was fired by the Kerry campaign.
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Birds of a feather flock together.
I hope Peolis cleans up the swamp like she promised. This is getting ridiculous.
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Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY) -- now the subject of a reported investigation into charges he sexually harassed a male staffer -- blew the whistle on his campaign manager in Nov. 2006 after the staffer was caught providing alcohol to three underage boys.
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Apparently Massa blew other things as well, not only the whistle.
Also - who hires a guy named "Dickert" who obviously shows an affinity for young boys?
No wonder TA loved this guy.
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HAHAAHHAHAHAAH...I love it when these guy are busted and their closets are opened...they immediately blame everyone else or make it seem they were so unaware of what was going on. Didn't Barney Frank pull the same shit when he was found running a pedophile ring right out of his own Massachusetts home with his boyfriend and three other guys? Disgusting...they should all be shot.
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pelosi will not do shit, nobody will just like how nothing gets done about acorn even with the shit on video, or the illegal firing of gerald walpin pelosi would rather talk about itsy bitsy spiders and live in her lala land
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HAHAAHHAHAHAAH...I love it when these guy are busted and their closets are opened...they immediately blame everyone else or make it seem they were so unaware of what was going on. Didn't Barney Frank pull the same shit when he was found running a pedophile ring right out of his own Massachusetts home with his boyfriend and three other guys? Disgusting...they should all be shot.
Straw and TA will be by to defend this shortly.
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Massa was a Naval Officer for 24 years and had great politics. I personally do not care if he is gay or closeted or if he likes sex with young men. I didn`t care about Mark Foley`s behavior either.
Massa was a Republican up until 2004 by the way, not that it matters.
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you dont care that someone in his position offers and supplies underage people with alcohol= illegal, or that he attemps sexual behavior with under age people= illegal also? hmmm typical liberal, as long as they all have healthcare who cares huh?
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you dont care that someone in his position offers and supplies underage people with alcohol= illegal, or that he attemps sexual behavior with under age people= illegal also? hmmm typical liberal, as long as they all have healthcare who cares huh?
Now if this guy was a Catholic priest it would be a different story.
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oh yes if it was a catholic priest it would be plastered all over every news channel and kc, straw, ta blacken would have smoke coming off their key boards
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you dont care that someone in his position offers and supplies underage people with alcohol= illegal, or that he attemps sexual behavior with under age people= illegal also? hmmm typical liberal, as long as they all have healthcare who cares huh?
My mom used to buy us alcohol all the time when we were underage. Of course she was from Germany and they didn`t have the age restrictions at all so it was no big deal to her or anyone else. I personally think all drugs and alcohol should be legal to do in your own home in the privacy of your own home.
As for sex with young men, its not illegal and so far Massa has not been charged or anything so there is nothing there.
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My mom used to buy us alcohol all the time when we were underage. Of course she was from Germany and they didn`t have the age restrictions at all so it was no big deal to her or anyone else. I personally think all drugs and alcohol should be legal to do in your own home in the privacy of your own home.
As for sex with young men, its not illegal and so far Massa has not been charged or anything so there is nothing there.
GERMANY
Possession or consumption of alcohol by minors is not outlawed. Fermented alcoholic beverages may be consumed by minors in public when in presence of a legal guardian; drinking in private is not controlled. The restrictions on distilled beverages apply also to mixed drinks containing them.
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16 years old is under age and illegal, and supplying alcohol to your own children i have no problem with, but these were not his kids, which makes that illegal also.
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16 years old is under age and illegal, and supplying alcohol to your own children i have no problem with, but these were not his kids, which makes that illegal also.
Uh, 16 years is not illegal in all states. For instance, In Hawaii the age of consent is 14.
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My mom used to buy us alcohol all the time when we were underage. Of course she was from Germany and they didn`t have the age restrictions at all so it was no big deal to her or anyone else. I personally think all drugs and alcohol should be legal to do in your own home in the privacy of your own home.
As for sex with young men, its not illegal and so far Massa has not been charged or anything so there is nothing there.
Yes so did my mom when we were like 17 or 18, but his staffer is not their parent..
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16 years old is under age and illegal, and supplying alcohol to your own children i have no problem with, but these were not his kids, which makes that illegal also.
Europeans view alcohol a lot different than Americans. Whats more intriguing is that their rates of alcoholism lower despite allowing minors to posses and consume freely.
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the d.a office can pic up any case of sex with minors up to the age of 17 in all states, does it have to ? no can it? yes. And supplying alcohol to under age children that you are not the legal gaurdian of is illegal. what you gona say next in some states the legal drinking age is 14 too
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oh and just a lil pointer we are not europe this is america. there are many fucked up things that go on everywhere in the world. so when these things happen in america it doesnt make it right just because it happens in europe. hundreds of thousands of people migrate to america every year to avoid these other fucked up things in other fucked up countries, dont that tell you anything.
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the d.a office can pic up any case of sex with minors up to the age of 17 in all states, does it have to ? no can it? yes. And supplying alcohol to under age children that you are not the legal gaurdian of is illegal. what you gona say next in some states the legal drinking age is 14 too
Actually, in some states there is NO AGE of Consent for sex between Homosexuals.
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the d.a office can pic up any case of sex with minors up to the age of 17 in all states, does it have to ? no can it? yes. And supplying alcohol to under age children that you are not the legal gaurdian of is illegal. what you gona say next in some states the legal drinking age is 14 too
You are DEAD WRONG. For instance in NC, 16 is the age of consent with no range. For Example, This means someone could be 67 and have sex with a 16 year old freely.
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what makes you think i am talking about age of homos i am talking about adult and minors irregaurdless or their preference 17 and up is legal responsible 16 younger the d.a. can do with it whatever they want, even if the minors parents wish to drop it the d.a. can still follow through on it
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what makes you think i am talking about age of homos i am talking about adult and minors irregaurdless or their preference 17 and up is legal responsible 16 younger the d.a. can do with it whatever they want, even if the minors parents wish to drop it the d.a. can still follow through on it
As I said, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!
Again, a MALE of 87 (any age will do) can have sex with a FEMALE of 16 years of age in NC freely.
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oh and just a lil pointer we are not europe this is america. there are many fucked up things that go on everywhere in the world. so when these things happen in america it doesnt make it right just because it happens in europe. hundreds of thousands of people migrate to america every year to avoid these other fucked up things in other fucked up countries, dont that tell you anything.
America is puritanical and just because something is illegal does not mean it is logical or right.
All drugs should be legal to do in the privacy of your own home. This is my belief.
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and what is the drinking age in n.c.? and let me guess it is legal to supply 16 year olds with alcohol too buy someone who is not the legal guardian?
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well if you stay in your home until the affects of these drugs wear off thats fine, but going for a 100mph strole ten min after getting high no longer makes it in the privacy of your own home. especialy not when you crash into someone because of the proven side affects of many drugs and impaired motor skills and response time
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well if you stay in your home until the affects of these drugs wear off thats fine, but going for a 100mph strole ten min after getting high no longer makes it in the privacy of your own home. especialy not when you crash into someone because of the proven side affects of many drugs and impaired motor skills and response time
Our current laws don`t seem to prevent that from happening. :-\
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i know they dont and people that did nothing to deserve it continue to get hit and killed in car wrecks that coulda been avoided if some crack head coulda stayed at home, or better yet, not got high, so whats the legal drinking age and is it legal to give minors alcohol if your not their guardian
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TA defends this deviant behavior. ::) ::)
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TA defends this deviant behavior. ::) ::)
Sorry, I just think the government should have LESS control over our private lives than you do is all.
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Sorry, I just think the government should have LESS control over our private lives than you do is all.
I dont make my judgements solely on whether something is legal or not. There are things that are legal that I find personally repulsive and indicative of someones' charachter and makeup.
Your example of a 87 yo hooking up with a 16 yo, while legal, is perfect example of completely bizarre behavior I would take into consideration of my judging that person and their fitness for office or some other tpye of position of trust.
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I dont make my judgements solely on whether something is legal or not. There are things that are legal that I find personally repulsive and indicative of someones' charachter and makeup.
Your example of a 87 yo hooking up with a 16 yo, while legal, is perfect example of completely bizarre behavior I would take into consideration of my judging that person and their fitness for office or some other tpye of position of trust.
What are some of the things that are legal but that you wish were illegal?
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What are some of the things that are legal but that you wish were illegal?
Thats a straw man argument as I never have or will advocate a nanny state or socical con agenda.
I think people need to be appealed to not on legal terms or basis but a simple common decency point of view of social norms.
I dont need laws to to tell me what is right or wrong or what to believe. Your example of the 87 yo and 16 yo is a perfect example.
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Thats a straw man argument as I never have or will advocate a nanny state or socical con agenda.
I think people need to be appealed to not on legal terms or basis but a simple common decency point of view of social norms.
I dont need laws to to tell me what is right or wrong or what to believe. Your example of the 87 yo and 16 yo is a perfect example.
I am not trying to argue I am just curious as to what laws you would like to see change and what type of things you would like to make illegal on a social basis and why.
Can you expound a little more.
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What the heck does any of this have to do with the price of tea in China?
How is this a condemnation of Eric Massa? He wasn't the one partying with or supplying alcohol to minors.
An employee who worked on his staff did, and when it came to his attention, he fired the guy. How is he the devil? I can imagine what you would be saying about him had he known about it and kept the guy on the payroll. What would you have been saying then? :-\
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"Europeans view alcohol a lot different than Americans. Whats more intriguing is that their rates of alcoholism lower despite allowing minors to posses and consume freely."
It varies region to region in Europe. Mostly it has to do with the way alcohol is viewed and the culture surrounding its consumption. There was a great article in the New Yorker by Gladwell on this very topic a few weeks back.
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Why did you tag this "culture of corruption"? The aide was not corrupt, nor was Massa (at least not in this case).
Anyway, each party is as corrupt as the other one.
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As it stands now, there is no evidence that the male aide that Massa had a tryst with is under the age of 18 so the "little boy" aspect is null.
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As it stands now, there is no evidence that the male aide that Massa had a tryst with is under the age of 18 so the "little boy" aspect is null.
He is stepping down in part because of allegations he sexually harassed a male staffer.
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He is stepping down in part because of allegations he sexually harassed a male staffer.
Thats not what he said at all. His says his cancer has returned and from his verbiage, it would appear he is dying.
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Thats not what he said at all. His says his cancer has returned and from his verbiage, it would appear he is dying.
"Spend time with family" - Got it.
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TA...it doesn't matter if you agree with the law or not...the fact remains that it is illegal to give alcohol to minors.
As far as your age of consent that simply means that u cant be convicted of pedophilia, you can still br tried for statutory rape if the parents push for it. Quit rationalizing another corrupt politician's actions.
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TA...it doesn't matter if you agree with the law or not...the fact remains that it is illegal to give alcohol to minors.
As far as your age of consent that simply means that u cant be convicted of pedophilia, you can still br tried for statutory rape if the parents push for it. Quit rationalizing another corrupt politician's actions.
It just goes to show what perverts, pigs, pedophiles, and demented psychos are in DC making laws we have to live by.
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TA...it doesn't matter if you agree with the law or not...the fact remains that it is illegal to give alcohol to minors.
As far as your age of consent that simply means that u cant be convicted of pedophilia, you can still br tried for statutory rape if the parents push for it. Quit rationalizing another corrupt politician's actions.
No you can`t.
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No you can`t.
Yes, you can. Try it with some more conservative parents and see if you don't go to trial. Age of consent is just that, the minor is still a minor and there are consequences.
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Yes, you can. Try it with some more conservative parents and see if you don't go to trial. Age of consent is just that, the minor is still a minor and there are consequences.
Wrong.
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Much more is coming out on the congressman in the next few days.
As far as seeing things made illegal,how about we make many things that are illegal and make them legal.DRUGS,PROSTITUTUION,GAMBLING for starters.
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Much more is coming out on the congressman in the next few days.
As far as seeing things made illegal,how about we make many things that are illegal and make them legal.DRUGS,PROSTITUTUION,GAMBLING for starters.
We need to make all these positions volunteer and part time. The govt needs to shrink by at least 75% by my estimation.
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We need to make all these positions volunteer and part time. The govt needs to shrink by at least 75% by my estimation.
The military is by far THE LARGEST part of government and the most wasteful as Ron Paul states.
How much would you cut there and do you agree with Ron Paul about closing bases and bringing our forces inward?
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The military is by far THE LARGEST part of government and the most wasteful as Ron Paul states.
How much would you cut there and do you agree with Ron Paul about closing bases and bringing our forces inward?
Over time yes. We are on an unsustainable path on so many levels its not funny. We simply do not have enough taxpayers to afford the level of spending we are engaing in.
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Over time yes. We are on an unsustainable path on so many levels its not funny. We simply do not have enough taxpayers to afford the level of spending we are engaing in.
What percentage of the military would you like to see cut overall? We could make the United States number one in about everything if we had the money saved from the gross military spending and used it domestically.
Most of our tax dollars go to the military and we don`t get jack shit for it.
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What percentage of the military would you like to see cut overall? We could make the United States number one in about everything if we had the money saved from the gross military spending and used it domestically.
Most of our tax dollars go to the military and we don`t get jack shit for it.
Id like to see ALL our trops home and then put as many on the borders and in ports and airports as needed.We dont need our military all over the world.Its a total waste of money.
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What percentage of the military would you like to see cut overall? We could make the United States number one in about everything if we had the money saved from the gross military spending and used it domestically.
Most of our tax dollars go to the military and we don`t get jack shit for it.
I dont know the exact numbers, but the year over year over year increases are simply not sustainable along with our entitlement liabilities and other costs.
We have over a $100 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities with no way to pay for it. Do you even remotely have a clue how enormous that is?
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What percentage of the military would you like to see cut overall? We could make the United States number one in about everything if we had the money saved from the gross military spending and used it domestically.
Most of our tax dollars go to the military and we don`t get jack shit for it.
I am willing to bet with enough military reduction we could easily transition to a fair tax/national sales tax.
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You dont get jack shit for it?? Check again dude cause freedom isnt free, and the fact that you post on here when ever you want shows me that you are free, so you do get something for it. Now if you want to talk about people not getting jack shit for something, i have not and will never get anything back from my tax dollars that get used for welfare for people that cant stop having babies even though they wont get a job. Or any of the other governmemt programs that give hand outs to worthless people who will not work for what they want.
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You dont get jack shit for it?? Check again dude cause freedom isnt free, and the fact that you post on here when ever you want shows me that you are free, so you do get something for it. Now if you want to talk about people not getting jack shit for something, i have not and will never get anything back from my tax dollars that get used for welfare for people that cant stop having babies even though they wont get a job. Or any of the other governmemt programs that give hand outs to worthless people who will not work for what they want.
Defense is the most important item in my honest opinion, but we simply cant affrd the empire anymore. Just read history, this story has been played out many times over and all ended the same way, as will this present one unless we correct course.
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You dont get jack shit for it?? Check again dude cause freedom isnt free, and the fact that you post on here when ever you want shows me that you are free, so you do get something for it. Now if you want to talk about people not getting jack shit for something, i have not and will never get anything back from my tax dollars that get used for welfare for people that cant stop having babies even though they wont get a job. Or any of the other governmemt programs that give hand outs to worthless people who will not work for what they want.
Booyah! While I agree we can cut back our military spending, justifying it by saying we get nothing in return is ignorant at best. I wish I could get back some of my tax dollars from all of the programs that I get nothing in return for!
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Booyah! While I agree we can cut back our military spending, justifying it by saying we get nothing in return is ignorant at best. I wish I could get back some of my tax dollars from all of the programs that I get nothing in return for!
Libs hate the military no doubt, I love the military and think most of our soldiers really are some of the best people we have.
However, we are broke and simply cant afford an empire anymore.
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You dont get jack shit for it?? Check again dude cause freedom isnt free, and the fact that you post on here when ever you want shows me that you are free, so you do get something for it. Now if you want to talk about people not getting jack shit for something, i have not and will never get anything back from my tax dollars that get used for welfare for people that cant stop having babies even though they wont get a job. Or any of the other governmemt programs that give hand outs to worthless people who will not work for what they want.
What did you get for the war in Korea, Vietnam?
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Libs hate the military no doubt, I love the military and think most of our soldiers really are some of the best people we have.
However, we are broke and simply cant afford an empire anymore.
I know...I have made this very clear in the past...I was questioning TA's reasoning as usual. I'm in total agreement with Ron Paul over our military spending.
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we should stop all the handouts to people that just dont want to work cause they are too lazy, but feel they are entitled to it just because they live in america. too many think that cause they are in america they are owed something if they are not rich, when they indeed have just the same as everyone else, THE OPRITUNITY TO WORK AND MAKE A LIVING FOR YOURSELF DEPENDING ON IF YOU WANT TO WORK OR NOT.
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I don`t hate the military, I just find it hugely wasteful with the amount appropriated to it unnecessary. Ron Paul agrees with me.
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Libs hate the military no doubt, I love the military and think most of our soldiers really are some of the best people we have.
However, we are broke and simply cant afford an empire anymore.
I know...I have made this very clear in the past...I was questioning TA's reasoning as usual. I'm in total agreement with Ron Paul over our military spending.
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I don`t hate the military, I just find it hugely wasteful with the amount appropriated to it unnecessary. Ron Paul agrees with me.
Funny how you dont bring up 90% of RP's other views.
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we should stop all the handouts to people that just dont want to work cause they are too lazy, but feel they are entitled to it just because they live in america. too many think that cause they are in america they are owed something if they are not rich, when they indeed have just the same as everyone else, THE OPRITUNITY TO WORK AND MAKE A LIVING FOR YOURSELF DEPENDING ON IF YOU WANT TO WORK OR NOT.
Do you know how SMALL of amount of money Social Welfare consist of? Also, do you realize that it is difficult to receive Welfare (TANF). You have to have a job, work a certain number of hours and the benefits also do not last very long at all.
There are about 3.5 million people receiving TANF. That is 1.1510896457960345% of the population.
There is a maximum of 60 months of benefits within one's lifetime (some states have instituted shorter periods)
TANF sets forward the following work requirements necessary for benefits:
Recipients (with few exceptions) must work as soon as they are job ready or no later than two years after coming on assistance.
Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.
Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.
States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.
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Funny how you dont bring up 90% of RP's other views.
I also support his stance on legalizing all drugs for the use in your own privacy. There are a few other things he is correct on as well, but I am far from 100 percent in agreement with him. This does not mean I can`t praise him for good ideas when he has them.
Unlike you, I am not a partisan hack and can recognize a good idea when someone has one.
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yea i know the amount of money that people get through government programs, think if they werent getting it and actually working, and paying taxes on money they earned, and i know what the rules and regulations say for recieving these things but lets be real these are so abused by soooo many people that there will never be correct numbers on how much realy gets spent on them, i know people that have not qualified for years to get assistance but they still do because of some simple lies and a couple threats.
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yea i know the amount of money that people get through government programs, think if they werent getting it and actually working, and paying taxes on money they earned, and i know what the rules and regulations say for recieving these things but lets be real these are so abused by soooo many people that there will never be correct numbers on how much realy gets spent on them, i know people that have not qualified for years to get assistance but they still do because of some simple lies and a couple threats.
It really isn`t abused at all. It is HIGHLY regulated and the amount of money is next to nothing. We are talking about one airplane worth. One fucking airplane covers the entire cost of this program.
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if you buy that crock then you belong to be in that plane with them lol let me guess, there is no fruad in medicare either? lol wow
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if you buy that crock then you belong to be in that plane with them lol let me guess, there is no fruad in medicare either? lol wow
What do you make of widespread DoD fraud? You do realize that it overshadows any other type of fraud in America, including Wall Street Fraud?
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I also support his stance on legalizing all drugs for the use in your own privacy. There are a few other things he is correct on as well, but I am far from 100 percent in agreement with him. This does not mean I can`t praise him for good ideas when he has them.
Unlike you, I am not a partisan hack and can recognize a good idea when someone has one.
I am a partisan hack? Can you show me one post in my 20,000 plus posts shilling GWB or the GOP?
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Obama to Spend $10.3 Trillion on Welfare: Uncovering the Full Cost of Means-Tested Welfare or Aid to the Poor heritagefoundation.com
gosh ta thats a really big plane you are speaking of can you name this one plane that cost 10.3 trillion, I really want to fly in it, it must be super luxorious
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Obama to Spend $10.3 Trillion on Welfare: Uncovering the Full Cost of Means-Tested Welfare or Aid to the Poor heritagefoundation.com
gosh ta thats a really big plane you are speaking of can you name this one plane that cost 10.3 trillion, I really want to fly in it, it must be super luxorious
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I hope you don`t think that is accurate. Do you want me to paste the 2010 FY budget? Furthermore, there is no such program simply called "WELFARE" nor is it an umbrella term. Your assessment is pointless and meaningless. By your rationale we can call death benefits to soldiers families as "WELFARE".
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I am a partisan hack? Can you show me one post in my 20,000 plus posts shilling GWB or the GOP?
Name a few non-GOP members that you agree with or some of their ideas if you can.
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The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion washingtonpost.com
gosh t.a which number is bigger 10.3t or 3t?? i just cant figure that out. can you help?? oh and another qusetion how many times could we have paid for 10.3t welfare with the 3t spent in iraq since 2001? man i just cant figure that out. maybe 3 times? hmmmm
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Massa was a Naval Officer for 24 years and had great politics. I personally do not care if he is gay or closeted or if he likes sex with young men. I didn`t care about Mark Foley`s behavior either.
Massa was a Republican up until 2004 by the way, not that it matters.
IT DOES MATTER!!!!!!
If he was a republican right now...3333 wouldnt havent started a thread...true story
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IT DOES MATTER!!!!!!
If he was a republican right now...3333 wouldnt havent started a thread...true story
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The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion washingtonpost.com
gosh t.a which number is bigger 10.3t or 3t?? i just cant figure that out. can you help?? oh and another qusetion how many times could we have paid for 10.3t welfare with the 3t spent in iraq since 2001? man i just cant figure that out. maybe 3 times? hmmmm
Again, you are not making any sense. The Budget for TANF is very low. Please refer to the FY 2010 budget and stop using the word "WELFARE" when it simply DOES NOT APPLY to where you think it does.
You are making stuff up and its pointless to argue with someone bent on promoting nothing but fiction. We can discuss the actual dollar amount and if it is too much or too little, but you are not there yet. Educate yourself on it and we can talk. If you want me to educate you or help, I will, but I find if you figure it out first, you may be more inclined to understand what a fact and a source is.
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making it up, can you not read i posted the places i got them from. just cause you dont like them doesnt mean i am just making them up.
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making it up, can you not read i posted the places i got them from. just cause you dont like them doesnt mean i am just making them up.
You are not citing anything.
Simply typing www. (insertwebsite) . com is useless to the discussion. Try copying entire links.
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if you dont know what washingtonpost.com is then i am sorry for you bro lol i didnt realize i needed to hold your hand and walk you through it
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I hope you don`t think that is accurate. Do you want me to paste the 2010 FY budget? Furthermore, there is no such program simply called "WELFARE" nor is it an umbrella term. Your assessment is pointless and meaningless. By your rationale we can call death benefits to soldiers families as "WELFARE".
Welfare is an umbrella term...it encompasses all government programs supposedly to help the poor. Don't let some office acronym fool you.
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Welfare is an umbrella term...it encompasses all government programs supposedly to help the poor. Don't let some office acronym fool you.
Federal, State, County, City, Town etc, we are on an insane pathway to destruction of debt. Where TA goes wrong is that he wants to replace military spending with welfare spending in other areas.
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Welfare is an umbrella term...it encompasses all government programs supposedly to help the poor. Don't let some office acronym fool you.
The Budget does not simply read "WELFARE". The type of "welfare" people talk about and are grossly misinformed about is TANF, or Temporary Assistance for Needy Families in which the budget is tiny.
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The Budget does not simply read "WELFARE". The type of "welfare" people talk about and are grossly misinformed about is TANF, or Temporary Assistance for Needy Families in which the budget is tiny.
No, that is simply one type of welfare. While it is not stated in the budget as such it still ecompasses all of the different acronyms that our government uses for "social help". Which we all know is not the case. Welfare as a term encompasses all of those offices to the general public. TANF is not the only social services office in the federal budget either.
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you know im right cha cha
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you know im right cha cha
Mal - i had a meeting with a large medical practice yesterday whol told that if ObamaCare goes through they eill be out of business within a year or two at best.
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Mal - i had a meeting with a large medical practice yesterday whol told that if ObamaCare goes through they eill be out of business within a year or two at best.
What...you had a meeting with a large medical malpractice...what the hell does that mean?
now before you speak on this...make sure you are correct...because i have a lot of info in this area,...so dont come with no bullshit
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What...you had a meeting with a large medical malpractice...what the hell does that mean?
now before you speak on this...make sure you are correct...because i have a lot of info in this area,...so dont come with no bullshit
Without going into a lot of detail. The gist of it is that as the government clamps down on carriers, they are going to make the docs eat shit on reimbursements and have this thing called capitation. It really was horrible what they were telling me and they said that they would go out since the reimbursements would get cut and delayed to the point of putting them out.
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ok...back up...you had a meeting with a medical mal practice what?
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ok...back up...you had a meeting with a medical mal practice what?
They have 3.8 Million in AR. Do you want the name, address, and email of the guy I met with?
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They have 3.8 Million in AR. Do you want the name, address, and email of the guy I met with?
Dude...what the fuck..you said
"i had a meeting witha medical malpractice"
that is retarded talk...
A medical malpractice what?
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Due you lost me, where did he say medical malpractice? Post #84
Mal - I had a meeting with a large medical practice.
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Dude...what the fuck..you said
"i had a meeting witha medical malpractice"
that is retarded talk...
A medical malpractice what?
General Practice that sees medicare, major medical, and private patients.
The main doctor told me straight up - if obacare goes through, he is done as the insurers will squeeze him to the point he cant pay his bills.
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General Practice that sees medicare, major medical, and private patients.
The main doctor told me straight up - if obacare goes through, he is done as the insurers will squeeze him to the point he cant pay his bills.
boom...i knew that was comin...Man you are about 4 or 5 years late...In Ga and CA (i know these states because i lived in both) i worked with a Medical Malpractice Plantiff firm. In 2004 or 05...laws passed that changed the amount awarded to plantiffs on a medical malpractice case.. It went from unlimited to like 250k or 350k for Ga. So the firm got out of the medical malpractice business because it wasnt any in the firms best interest to try those cases...
Now If the Mds are saying that obamacare ::) would hamstring them...that means that medical malpractice would be cracked down on again. Right now no lawyer wants to touch a malpractice case because it aint no money...you get what im saying?
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boom...i knew that was comin...Man you are about 4 or 5 years late...In Ga and CA (i know these states because i lived in both) i worked with a Medical Malpractice Plantiff firm. In 2004 or 05...laws passed that changed the amount awarded to plantiffs on a medical malpractice case.. It went from unlimited to like 250k or 350k for Ga. So the firm got out of the medical malpractice business because it wasnt any in the firms best interest to try those cases...
Now If the Mds are saying that obamacare ::) would hamstring them...that means that medical malpractice would be cracked down on again. Right now no lawyer wants to touch a malpractice case because it aint no money...you get what im saying?
I dont to med mal cuz thats not my area, but the costs for those cases up from tot the law firm are HUGE before they see any money.
The carriers know this too and squeeze these firms and only offer settlements at the 11th hour. The carriers bear equal responsibility in this as they dont do the right thing themselves.
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I dont to med mal cuz thats not my area, but the costs for those cases up from tot the law firm are HUGE before they see any money. The carriers know this too and squeeze these firms and only offer settlements at the 11th hour. The carriers bear equal responsibility in this as they dont do the right thing themselves.
right..on both...They are extremely high, mostly because of the expert witness MDs charge $500/Hr...and basically no money for anyone...40% off the top and expenses is bullcrap for a good Esq
Now.. If the awards go back up,like they are in product liability, then doctors would think twice about leaving a sponge in someone before closing them up..and if they do, they get sued and they loose money for fuckin up, (their insurance goes up) and the plantiff gets paid and the lawyer gets paid..as well as the defendants lawyer...
looks like obamacare would make doctors be more patient, as well as stimulate the economy if they arent
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right..on both...They are extremely high, mostly because of the expert witness MDs charge $500/Hr...and basically no money for anyone...40% off the top and expenses is bullcrap for a good Esq
Now.. If the awards go back up,like they are in product liability, then doctors would think twice about leaving a sponge in someone before closing them up..and if they do, they get sued and they loose money for fuckin up, (their insurance goes up) and the plantiff gets paid and the lawyer gets paid..as well as the defendants lawyer...
looks like obamacare would make doctors be more patient, as well as stimulate the economy if they arent
I always thought that there should be some type of mandatory mediation prior to lawsuit for these types of cases to where a patient and carrier and doc can get a good idea of the likely outocme of the case before the costs and expenses of lawsuits are started. Possibly the parties can resolve it early on without all the nonsense.
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I always thought that there should be some type of mandatory mediation prior to lawsuit for these types of cases to where a patient and carrier and doc can get a good idea of the likely outocme of the case before the costs and expenses of lawsuits are started. Possibly the parties can resolve it early on without all the nonsense.
11TH hour settlements with the second chair...ive seen it before.
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11TH hour settlements with the second chair...ive seen it before.
No one is innocent here. Many carriers offer nothing even to valid cases until the last possible minute when the parties are forced to settle for a far larger amount due to all the legal time and costs involved.
The whole thing is a complete cluster fuck.
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I am a contractor for the fedearl government. The govt could easily cut 1/3 of its employees and they would be better off.