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this is the latest email from the Obama camp...This thread will serve the purpose of sending obama's messages to those who aren't subscribed to receive official obama email correspondences. I have elected my self as getbigs official obama new messenger.
Watch the video Here
Good afternoon,
32,000,000 -- that's the number of Americans who will get health insurance under the President's plan.1
That's also a little more than the entire populations of Ohio, Virginia, Kentucky and Arizona -- COMBINED.2
For the past couple weeks, we've been using key numbers to help raise awareness about how we just can't wait any longer for health insurance reform. We used $1,115 to tell the story of how skyrocketing premiums are crippling America's workers. We used 8 to convey how widespread and severe discrimination for pre-existing conditions is across the health insurance industry. And we used numbers like 625 and 50/50 to clearly show that any one of us is at risk of losing insurance in our broken health care system.
Today -- in our last number of the series -- we're using 32,000,000 to represent not only all those who will get health care, but also all the numerous benefits America's families and small businesses will see from health insurance reform. From eliminating discrimination based on pre-existing conditions to controlling costs and lowering the national deficit to providing tax credits for middle class families and small businesses, health insurance reform will finally put America's families and small businesses in control over their own health care.
,000,000 is the last number in ‘Health Reform by the Numbers,' our online campaign to raise awareness about why the time is now for health insurance reform. Help spread the word by sharing this message with your family, friends and online networks.
Let's get it done!
Sincerely,
Nancy-Ann DeParle
Director, White House Office of Health Reform
1 Source: Congressional Budget Office, Letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
2 Source: U.S. Census Bureau, Population Estimates
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I will be acting as getbig's and the Obama's camp's official liaison...
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I will be acting as getbig's and the Obama's camp's official liaison...
you mean 32,000,000 freeloader and other idiots FORCED TO BUY INSURANCE.
not to mention illegal aliens.
Go screw yourself. Come to NYSC Scarsdale NY any night of the week so I can slap the shit out of your moronic self into reality.
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Are they right or wrong?
People in their 20s or 30s who are currently without health insurance who are arguing against this bill?
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you mean 32,000,000 freeloader and other idiots FORCED TO BUY INSURANCE.
not to mention illegal aliens.
Go screw yourself. Come to NYSC Scarsdale NY any night of the week so I can slap the shit out of your moronic self into reality.
Don't kill the messenger bro..
these are messages from the Obama camp that are factual. i'm acting as a liaison to bring the news to fellow getbiggers who aren't on the mailing list for whatever reason..
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Don't kill the messenger bro..
these are messages from the Obama camp that are factual. i'm acting as a liaison to bring the news to fellow getbiggers who aren't on the mailing list for whatever reason..
Fool. Only an idiot believes this idiot. oh thats right, how lines did you do today?
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I wonder who those 32 million people will vote for in the next election?
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Great video. It's hard to get any sort of information there that isn't filled with ridiculous claims by the right wingers of communism or hitler or some other buzz word they use to try and demean this historic moment. I have said all along there are things i do not agree with in this bill. But it's passage would ensure more lives are saved, more people have insurance and it's a first step towards changing the system in favor of the people. I don't view this as the end game, in fact i think this opens the door to more change throughout the next decade. Embrace it guys, it's coming you can't stop it. Just take a deep breath and relax. When the next republican congress and/or president has a chance i'm sure he'll take some things out that you don't agree with and so on, further changing the bill but keeping the tenants the same. Health care for all. Life liberty and the pursuit continues...
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I wonder who those 32 million people will vote for in the next election?
It depends upon how well the tax increases are hidden.
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Great video. It's hard to get any sort of information there that isn't filled with ridiculous claims by the right wingers of communism or hitler or some other buzz word they use to try and demean this historic moment. I have said all along there are things i do not agree with in this bill. But it's passage would ensure more lives are saved, more people have insurance and it's a first step towards changing the system in favor of the people. I don't view this as the end game, in fact i think this opens the door to more change throughout the next decade. Embrace it guys, it's coming you can't stop it. Just take a deep breath and relax. When the next republican congress and/or president has a chance i'm sure he'll take some things out that you don't agree with and so on, further changing the bill but keeping the tenants the same. Health care for all. Life liberty and the pursuit continues...
Obama - "pass my stim bill or UE will go over 8%."
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Fool. Only an idiot believes this idiot. oh thats right, how lines did you do today?
2 lines....your girlfriend was here this morning...
You know i like to snort coke from...No need for me to repeat it..
one from the right, and the other from the left.
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It depends upon how well the tax increases are hidden.
well since most people won't see any tax increase I doubt they'll care, especially so if they have no insurance now and are suffering or if they have a loved one in that situation. All they will remember is the Dems helped them get insurance
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It depends upon how well the tax increases are hidden.
What is going to be hysterical is how the democrat commies like kc and straw blame the miserable economy on bush 3 years from now and not realize its the garbage like this that ias going to kill us off.
I almost feel bad for people like kc and straw since they are so dumb, uninformed, deluded, and brainwashed by marxists bs that they dont even understand econ 01, let alon econo 101.
Those morons like kc and straw will be the first to complain when they cant see a doctor and have to get behind a line of 400 illegals to get any treatment.
suckers.
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please take note i will put 110% effort into my new position as official obama liaison to getbig..Thanks for all the support guys for motivating me to take such an important position. ;)
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well since most people won't see any tax increase I doubt they'll care, especially so if they have no insurance now and are suffering or if they have a loved one in that situation. All they will remember is the Dems helped them get insurance
Coming from the fool who thinks the post office is doing great. Hysterical.
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well since most people won't see any tax increase I doubt they'll care, especially so if they have no insurance now and are suffering or if they have a loved one in that situation. All they will remember is the Dems helped them get insurance
I realize liberals aren't fans of math but nothing in life is ever free. It's impossible for some cost to not be passed on to lower income people. It just depends on how carefully it's disguised. Could be tolls, gas taxes, cigarettes, malt liquor, NASCAR, or Similac but poor people are going to pay something.
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The Prescription Pad
Dr. Obama and Dr. Pelosi to America’s Seniors: “Take $523.5 Billion in Medicare Cuts; Don’t Call Us in the Morning”
Friday, March 19, 2010
Having ignored the Medicare Actuaries’ warnings,
Democrats prescribe additional cuts to seniors’ safety-net program
The Senate Democrats’ health bill cuts Medicare by a whopping $463 billion. These cuts were so drastic that the Obama Administration’s own Medicare Actuaries predicted that “providers might end their participation in the program (possibly jeopardizing access to care for beneficiaries).” But President Obama and Congressional Democrats ignored this warning and pressed ahead with $60.5 billion in additional Medicare cuts in their “reconciliation bill” (H.R. 4872), bringing the grand total to a staggering $523.5 billion to fund a new entitlement.
These cuts include:
$202.3 billion in cuts to seniors’ Medicare health plans, including massive cuts targeting the extra benefits and reduced cost-sharing seniors receive through Medicare Advantage (MA). CBO had predicted a similar policy would rob 3 million seniors currently receiving their health benefits through Medicare plan, while the independent Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC) predicted 1 in 5 seniors would no longer be able to enroll in MA as a result of this policy.
$156.6 billion in cuts to inpatient and outpatient hospital services, inpatient rehabilitation facilities (IRFs), long-term care hospitals (LTCHs), inpatient psychiatric hospitals, skilled nursing facilities (SNFs), Ambulatory Surgical Centers (ASCs), hospice, ambulances, dialysis facilities, labs and durable medical equipment (DME) suppliers by permanently instituting a new “productivity adjustment” payment cut, which Democrats assume will make providers more efficient in delivering care. Inpatient and outpatient hospital services, inpatient rehabilitation facilities (IRFs), long-term care hospitals (LTCHs), inpatient psychiatric hospitals, hospice, labs and DME suppliers are further subject to years of additional cuts to their reimbursement rates through reduced “market basket updates”.
$39.7 billion in cuts to home health reimbursements.
$22.1 billion in additional cuts to hospitals by slashing reimbursements designed to assist hospitals that serve low-income patients.
$20.7 billion in cuts to the Medicare Improvement Fund, which had been intended to fund improvements to seniors’ Medicare benefits, not to finance a new entitlement.
$13.3 billion in yet-to-be-determined Medicare cuts from the hands of an unelected federal board.
$2.3 billion in cuts to imaging reimbursements when seniors use MRIs, CT scans, etc.
$800 million in cuts to power wheelchair suppliers.
$65.7 billion in money taken from seniors in the form of higher premiums and additional cuts to Medicare beneficiaries and providers.
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Can anyone say "Death Panels"?
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Coming from the fool who thinks the post office is doing great. Hysterical.
can't refute the statement so you just try to change the subject
If you don't think the post office is doing a good job then why don't you refuse to receive your mail from that socialist communist organization?
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can't refute the statement so you just try to change the subject
If you don't think the post office is doing a good job then why don't you refuse to receive your mail from that socialist communist organization?
I'm not changing anything, just pointing out that you are delusional marxist liberal moron who does not live in reality.
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can't refute the statement so you just try to change the subject
If you don't think the post office is doing a good job then why don't you refuse to receive your mail from that socialist communist organization?
Typical 33367 behavior..When challenged he'll divert attention to other subjects.
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The Prescription Pad
Dr. Obama and Dr. Pelosi to America’s Seniors: “Take $523.5 Billion in Medicare Cuts; Don’t Call Us in the Morning”
Friday, March 19, 2010
Having ignored the Medicare Actuaries’ warnings,
Democrats prescribe additional cuts to seniors’ safety-net program
this thread purpose is to provide getbiggers with a platform where they can hear messages from the obama camp...
not to spew typical republican special interest group propaganda
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Typical 33367 behavior..When challenged he'll divert attention to other subjects.
Idiot - i know more about this bill than you could ever hope for. Do you even knowe how that bogus 32,000,000 is arivved at you drug addicted idiot?
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What is going to be hysterical is how the democrat commies like kc and straw blame the miserable economy on bush 3 years from now and not realize its the garbage like this that ias going to kill us off.
I almost feel bad for people like kc and straw since they are so dumb, uninformed, deluded, and brainwashed by marxists bs that they dont even understand econ 01, let alon econo 101.
Those morons like kc and straw will be the first to complain when they cant see a doctor and have to get behind a line of 400 illegals to get any treatment.
suckers.
haha you're delusional. 41 leading economists including 3 nobel prize winners support it but hey they are idiots right? They don't even understand econo 101. The CBO doesn't understand it either. Kind of like 333 knowing more about global warming than scientists because he has snow sometimes. ::)
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What is going to be hysterical is how the democrat commies like kc and straw blame the miserable economy on bush 3 years from now and not realize its the garbage like this that ias going to kill us off.
I almost feel bad for people like kc and straw since they are so dumb, uninformed, deluded, and brainwashed by marxists bs that they dont even understand econ 01, let alon econo 101.
Those morons like kc and straw will be the first to complain when they cant see a doctor and have to get behind a line of 400 illegals to get any treatment.
suckers.
that's the difference between you and me.
I actually feel good for you. You buy an individual health plan (I think you've said that) and without this bill you'd probably be looking at monthly premiums of ~ 2k somewhere down the road and you'd only get that great deal if you chose a 20k annual deductible and of course they would not cover your antipsychotic meds because that would be a pre-existing condition
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haha you're delusional. 41 leading economists including 3 nobel prize winners support it but hey they are idiots right? They don't even understand econo 101. The CBO doesn't understand it either. Kind of like 333 knowing more about global warming than scientists because he has snow sometimes. ::)
4 years of upfront tax collection and nothing spent you fool! Of course you cant be bothered with details and facts when you dear leader spoon feads you poison.
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that's the difference between you and me.
I actually feel good for you. You buy an individual health plan (I think you've said that) and without this bill you'd probably be looking at monthly premiums of ~ 2k somewhere down the road and you'd only get that great deal if you chose a 20k annual deductible and of course they would not cover your antipsychotic meds because that would be a pre-existing condition
The man is so ignorant he can't even see the plan will be beneficial to him..
the man is more than likely on some sort of psychoactive drug..More than likely some sort of ADD/ Anti depressant combo..
333367 blinded by the muth*fu*Gk*ng bullsh*t propaganda he reads.
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The man is so ignorant he can't even see the plan will be beneficial to him..
the man is more than likely on some sort of psychoactive drug..More than likely some sort of ADD/ Anti depressant combo..
Hysterical coming from a confressed coke head.
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Hysterical coming from a confressed coke head.
you also admitted to using ephedrine before.
more than likely you're not afraid to dabble with psychoactive drugs, me thinks :o
go to the doctor and get some Valium or something to clam you down.
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4 years of upfront tax collection and nothing spent you fool! Of course you cant be bothered with details and facts when you dear leader spoon feads you poison.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/18/cbo-score-on-health-care_n_502543.html (333 - remember you like this site when it has info you agree with)
Comprehensive health care reform will cost the federal government $940 billion over a ten-year period, but will increase revenue and cut other costs by a greater amount, leading to a reduction of $138 billion in the federal deficit over the same period, according to an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office, a Democratic source tells HuffPost. It will cut the deficit by $1.2 trillion over the second ten year period. The source said it also extends Medicare's solvency by at least nine years and reduces the rate of its growth by 1.4 percent, while closing the doughnut hole for seniors, meaning there will no longer be a gap in coverage of medication. The CBO also estimated it would extend coverage to 32 million additional people.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/18/cbo-score-on-health-care_n_502543.html (333 - remember you like this site when it has info you agree with)
Comprehensive health care reform will cost the federal government $940 billion over a ten-year period, but will increase revenue and cut other costs by a greater amount, leading to a reduction of $138 billion in the federal deficit over the same period, according to an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office, a Democratic source tells HuffPost. It will cut the deficit by $1.2 trillion over the second ten year period. The source said it also extends Medicare's solvency by at least nine years and reduces the rate of its growth by 1.4 percent, while closing the doughnut hole for seniors, meaning there will no longer be a gap in coverage of medication. The CBO also estimated it would extend coverage to 32 million additional people.
Again Straw - 4 years on tax collection and 6 years of payments and the best they can do is $13 Billion a year? Unreal considering Obama has already added 2 TRILLION tot he national debt!
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Straw - you are the textbook case study erxample of a useful idiot. Its embarassing at this point the lengths you go to socuk Obama's cock. But that's right, thats nothing new to you.
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MR. GIBBS: .....
Tom.
Q I have two quick questions.
MR. GIBBS: Yes.
Q First, earlier this week -- sorry, I have two questions. First, earlier this week, both Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore pointed out that the preexisting condition provision of the legislation doesn’t take effect for another four years, and I’m wondering if you could tell us, was that a concession, and if so, who fought for that and what did they -- what did you get in return?
MR. GIBBS: There is --
Q For adults, that is.
MR. GIBBS: Right. Well, again, the -- as I described earlier and as the President has described, there are certain things that cannot be instituted until you have everyone in the system. Obviously this is a piece of legislation that phases in over the course of many years those changes. And as a result of that phasing in, when that's done, preexisting conditions for adults will be outlawed. But understand this -- when this becomes law, an insurance company will no longer be able to discriminate against a child that has -- that they believe or says that has a preexisting condition.
Q That’s on day one.
MR. GIBBS: Right.
Q Children. And so it’s pegged to the mandate then, is that fair to say?
MR. GIBBS: Yes.
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4 years of upfront tax collection and nothing spent you fool! Of course you cant be bothered with details and facts when you dear leader spoon feads you poison.
::)
go cry another river
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333 - why do you almost always immediately start calling people names when you get frustrated and angry (and why do you get angry so quickly)
why do you always show stuff out of context and never show the source?
What is it about covering an addtional 32 million American while lowering the deficit by 1.2 trillion that you don't get?
I asked you if any provisions of the new bill kicked in immediately?
Why did you ignore that question?
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333 - why do you almost always immediately start calling people names when you get frustrated and angry (and why do you get angry so quickly)
why do you always show stuff out of context and never show the source?
What is it about covering an addtional 32 million American while lowering the deficit by 1.2 trillion that you don't get?
I asked you if any provisions of the new bill kicked in immediately?
Why did you ignore that question?
The only thing that really kicks in immediately are the tax increases on employers and individuals.
Only Bernie Madoff could support garbage like this, but i have come to expect nothing less from the "I want everything for free right now" crowd in the commie party you applaud.
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Oregon Rep. DeFazio Switches 'Yes' Vote to 'No' on Health Care Bill
Fox News ^
Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 1:39:36 PM by Chet 99
Edited on Friday, March 19, 2010 1:45:27 PM by Admin Moderator. [history]
The vote tally on health care reform is starting to look like the Dow.
Just when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi seemed to be one vote shy of the 216 she needs for health care reform to pass, a Democrat who voted for the bill last year says he's switching his vote to no.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
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Anyone with any degree of honesty, left or right, realizes what a complete disaster this is.
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I believe there are an equal or greater # of economists that have come out disagreeing with the savings projections. Catepillar just wrote a huge letter expressing their dissatisfaction with the bill and it's direct costs to them. They are one of our largest national manufacturing companies.
kaje, that is exactly right. It feels good to say we have more comprehensive coverage...it feels good to make a change that is positive in some areas...what many of these folks don't consider are the direct and indirect costs. Look at the cuts in medicare services. These will NOT be made up. New taxes on multiple aspects of medical services including drug companies, insurance companies and various medical manufacturers will be indirectly passed on to the consumer and kaje is right, there will be more, less obvious tax increases to pay for this. Not to mention crucifying people that have investments and those making 200 grand/yr. It is not fair.
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thats alot of free loading fucks to recieve free shit on the hard working peoples dollar what a joke , too bad people wont get off their fucking asses and work for the things they want.
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Board Liberals, please read and explain why we couldn't have started with the following:
This bill should have been much shorter and focused on provisions that help cap overall medical costs, increase competition to reign in insurance cost & stop protecting insurance companies, get rid of pre-existing exclusions, allowed pools for purchasing, high risk pools, allowed purchase of drugs outside the US, lengthened max age kids can be on parents policies, deal with overall malpractice & defensive medicine and allowed portability of insurance from job to job. We could have even mandated companies with 50+ employees to at least offer a high deductible insurance plan and/or HSA.
We could have done all this with no additional taxation and no significant expense then re-evaluated. Instead we have this 2700 page monster that has divided the country with more opposed to this piece of legislation which has been rammed through in a dirty political process.
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The only thing that really kicks in immediately are the tax increases on employers and individuals.
Only Bernie Madoff could support garbage like this, but i have come to expect nothing less from the "I want everything for free right now" crowd in the commie party you applaud.
333 - Why are you so constantly misinformed?
The following items start immediately or withing the next 90 days to a year:
As soon as health care passes, the American people will see immediate benefits. The legislation will:
•Prohibit pre-existing condition exclusions for children in all new plans;
•Provide immediate access to insurance for uninsured Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition through a temporary high-risk pool;
•Prohibit dropping people from coverage when they get sick in all individual plans;
•Lower seniors prescription drug prices by beginning to close the donut hole;
•Offer tax credits to small businesses to purchase coverage;
•Eliminate lifetime limits and restrictive annual limits on benefits in all plans;
•Require plans to cover an enrollee's dependent children until age 26;
•Require new plans to cover preventive services and immunizations without cost-sharing;
•Ensure consumers have access to an effective internal and external appeals process to appeal new insurance plan decisions;
•Require premium rebates to enrollees from insurers with high administrative expenditures and require public disclosure of the percent of premiums applied to overhead costs.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#35921715 (fast forward to ~ the 2 minute mark)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-john-b-larson/he-top-ten-immediate-bene_b_501748.html
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The CBO's estimate requires certain assumptions that will come to pass. Some of the assumptions "may" come to pass, but the CBO's projection requires that they ALL come to pass.
I'd like to see doctors, accross the board, accept a 25% cut in salary. That'll be the day...
The CBO's lead analyst admits the numbers could be off as much as 20% either way. (And it's not just Republicans that go after the CBO).
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The CBO's estimate requires certain assumptions that will come to pass. Some of the assumptions "may" come to pass, but the CBO's projection requires that they ALL come to pass.
I'd like to see doctors, accross the board, accept a 25% cut in salary. That'll be the day...
The CBO's lead analyst admits the numbers could be off as much as 20% either way. (And it's not just Republicans that go after the CBO).
No argument from me there and these are just "estimates" so we know by definition that that are not precise but let's assume they are 20% off. Doesn't that mean we only get 80% of the estimated deficit reduction (while still helping millions of Americans get health insurance). I still can't igore the fact that Repubs voted for the Bush Tax cuts (notable exception was McCain in 2001) when they were projected at that time to increase the deficit by 1.3 trillion. Even if it was only 80% of 1.3 trillion that still almost a trillion dollars added to the deficit and they voted for it (and I believe used reconciliation to do it)
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No argument from me there and these are just "estimates" so we know by definition that that are not precise but let's assume they are 20% off. Doesn't that mean we only get 80% of the estimated deficit reduction (while still helping millions of Americans get health insurance). I still can't igore the fact that Repubs voted for the Bush Tax cuts (notable exception was McCain in 2001) when they were projected at that time to increase the deficit by 1.3 trillion. Even if it was only 80% of 1.3 trillion that still almost a trillion dollars added to the deficit and they voted for it (and I believe used reconciliation to do it)
Yet you are the same guy who supported the TRILLION dollar "Stim Bill" that was not paid for. Go figure. ::) ::) ::)
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No argument from me there and these are just "estimates" so we know by definition that that are not precise but let's assume they are 20% off. Doesn't that mean we only get 80% of the estimated deficit reduction (while still helping millions of Americans get health insurance).
Perhaps, but I think the real issue will be which assumptions are off, by how much, and where they fit in the equation. If, for example, they assume certain monies from the Cadillac plans and that money is never realized, there is a cumulative effect as we're projecting out 10 years.
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Perhaps, but I think the real issue will be which assumptions are off, by how much, and where they fit in the equation. If, for example, they assume certain monies from the Cadillac plans and that money is never realized, there is a cumulative effect as we're projecting out 10 years.
The revenue projections are a complete sham as many people with "cadicallac" plans will be forced off of them to avoid the tax altogether. The govt will never meet the tax receipts it projects and the costs will greatly skyrocket like every other entitlement program. This thing is a catastrophe in the making.
www.usdebtclock.org
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The revenue projections are a complete sham as many people with "cadicallac" plans will be forced off of them to avoid the tax altogether. The govt will never meet the tax receipts it projects and the costs will greatly skyrocket like every other entitlement program. This thing is a catastrophe in the making.
www.usdebtclock.org
That's one my main beefs with it. It makes certain assumptions about individual, corporate, and government behavior. They may sound good at the office, but in reality...
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333 - Why are you so constantly misinformed?
The following items start immediately or withing the next 90 days to a year:
As soon as health care passes, the American people will see immediate benefits. The legislation will:
•Prohibit pre-existing condition exclusions for children in all new plans;
•Provide immediate access to insurance for uninsured Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition through a temporary high-risk pool;
•Prohibit dropping people from coverage when they get sick in all individual plans;
•Lower seniors prescription drug prices by beginning to close the donut hole;
•Offer tax credits to small businesses to purchase coverage;
•Eliminate lifetime limits and restrictive annual limits on benefits in all plans;
•Require plans to cover an enrollee's dependent children until age 26;
•Require new plans to cover preventive services and immunizations without cost-sharing;
•Ensure consumers have access to an effective internal and external appeals process to appeal new insurance plan decisions;
•Require premium rebates to enrollees from insurers with high administrative expenditures and require public disclosure of the percent of premiums applied to overhead costs.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#35921715 (fast forward to ~ the 2 minute mark)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-john-b-larson/he-top-ten-immediate-bene_b_501748.html
bump for 333 - still waiting for you explain how are these things aren't really going to happen
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bump for 333 - still waiting for you explain how are these things aren't really going to happen
The pre-existing stuff is for children, not adults.
I will address the other things later.
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The pre-existing stuff is for children, not adults.
I will address the other things later.
Children are given it immediately
Adult get it later (I think by the 4th year - we gotta give the private insurance companies at least a few more years to rape us right. That's only fair)
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Children are given it immediately
Adult get it later (I think by the 4th year - we gotta give the private insurance companies at least a few more years to rape us right. That's only fair)
Straw - I hated this pofs bill from day one.
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Straw - I hated this pofs bill from day one.
no kidding
I never would have guessed
Don't tell me you think Obama is a secret commie too
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no secret about it, he flat out told us that if we want to know what he is about, to look at the people he surrounds himself with, well many are self proclaimed commies , his own words straw you cant spin that
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no secret about it, he flat out told us that if we want to know what he is about, to look at the people he surrounds himself with, well many are self proclaimed commies , his own words straw you cant spin that
who are the many self proclaimed commies again?
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who are the many self proclaimed commies again?
Van Jones
Anita Dunn
Lloyd Wright
Sunstein
Holdren
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dont forget andy stern
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Van Jones
Anita Dunn
Lloyd Wright
Sunstein
Holdren
let's assume these 5 people are Commies in the way you imagine them to be
isn't this only a tiny fraction of the people he "surrounds himself with"?
What about the Goldman Sachs guys
What about the Muslims
and of course the largest group (out of the total he surrounds himself with) are the Christians