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Christianity is on it's way out...
time + science = Crushing the christian faith, and all other religions too
the only way someone can believe this shit is to never question it
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Patrick Bateman believes in vanity
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only a f@ggy, herd following liberal would think that the height of intellect is to rip only on Christianity......
way to be a mindless insect, you parents must be proud
the jewish controlled media told you to hate the religion of your forefathers.......and you did; like a lobotomized cow.
thats just how sheep-le like you are.....you conform to whatever the pictures and words on the screen of the picturebox tell you to
you have the power to help humanity_right now_today............... put a gun in your mouth, and kill yourself
sheep
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only a f@ggy, herd following liberal would think that the height of intellect is to rip only on Christianity......
way to be a mindless insect, you parents must be proud
the jewish controlled media told you to hate the religion of your forefathers.......and you did; like a lobotomized cow.
thats just how sheep-le like you are.....you conform to whatever the pictures and words on the screen of the picturebox tell you to
you have the power to help humanity_right now_today............... put a gun in your mouth, and kill yourself
sheep
you are so confused...i chose to rip christianity because i am never around jewish or muslim or any other religion
christianity is shoved down my throat everywhere i go
calling me a sheep is so fucking backwards...who the fuck am i following
you sound like an angry christian...
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Patrick Bateman believes in vanity
Patrick is a stud
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christianity is shoved down my throat everywhere i go
Where do you go ???
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you are so confused...i chose to rip christianity because i am never around jewish or muslim or any other religion
christianity is shoved down my throat everywhere i go
calling me a sheep is so fucking backwards...who the fuck am i following
you sound like an angry christian...
no im agnostic
but before one runs off at the mouth they should try to understand why its suddenly so en vogue to rip on christianity... the reason is very deliberate....not just follow the herd because it seems like the thing to do
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Where do you go ???
church...
bench
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you are so confused...i chose to rip christianity because i am never around jewish or muslim or any other religion
christianity is shoved down my throat everywhere i go
calling me a sheep is so fucking backwards...who the fuck am i following
you sound like an angry christian...
Is that damn priest at it again? You know, you can report him.
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faith /feɪθ/ Show Spelled[feyth] Show IPA
–noun
1.confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2.belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4.belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5.a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
6.the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
7.the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.
8.Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.
hope /hoʊp/ Show Spelled [hohp] Show IPA noun, verb,hoped, hop·ing.
–noun
1.the feeling that what is wanted can be had or that events will turn out for the best: to give up hope.
2.a particular instance of this feeling: the hope of winning.
3.grounds for this feeling in a particular instance: There is little or no hope of his recovery.
4.a person or thing in which expectations are centered: The medicine was her last hope.
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Christianity is on it's way out...
time + science = Crushing the christian faith, and all other religions too
the only way someone can believe this shit is to never question it
Idiots like you make me smile. Do you think that bashing religion makes you tough? You had to start a thread to show everyone your "manhood." Must suck to be hung like a mouse.
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I myself am a proud Roman Catholic and all my close friends believe in God in some capacity
I'm a pretty easy-going guy with a lot of tolerance for other people's beliefs but bashing religion and belittling those who have faith in a higher power is pretty pathetic
have a pleasant Easter weekend
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I myself am a proud Roman Catholic and all my close friends believe in God in some capacity
I'm a pretty easy-going guy with a lot of tolerance for other people's beliefs but bashing religion and belittling those who have faith in a higher power is pretty pathetic
have a pleasant Easter weekend
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Have a happy and peaceful Easter.
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;)
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Hahahahahaha @ the first post, LOL!
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Idiots like you make me smile. Do you think that bashing religion makes you tough? You had to start a thread to show everyone your "manhood." Must suck to be hung like a mouse.
it is not about being tough or showing manhood...it is about having a minor meltdown
fueled by many things that happen in my personal life
hung like a mouse...hahaha
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Hahahahahaha @ the first post, LOL!
Fuck off you ignorant fool.
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you are so confused...i chose to rip christianity because i am never around jewish or muslim or any other religion
christianity is shoved down my throat everywhere i go
calling me a sheep is so fucking backwards...who the fuck am i following
you sound like an angry christian...
what part of the country do you live in where this christianity is shoved down your throat?
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what part of the country do you live in where this christianity is shoved down your throat?
NE? Bay Area? So Cal? NOOOOOOO!!!!!! It's gotta be the, wait for it......South......Stupi d rednecks believe shit......hahahahahaha
there are no Atheists on the plane going down
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NE? Bay Area? So Cal? NOOOOOOO!!!!!! It's gotta be the, wait for it......South......Stupi d rednecks believe shit......hahahahahaha
there are no Atheists on the plane going down
isnt that the truth
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Religion = Hipocrisy all of them teach nonviolence yet many wars are fought over religion.
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no im agnostic
but before one runs off at the mouth they should try to understand why its suddenly so en vogue to rip on christianity... the reason is very deliberate....not just follow the herd because it seems like the thing to do
Agnostics pretend to be smarter than atheists or religious when they leave the big question open but infact they are cowards who are afraid of the god that just might be in existence. ::)
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Mr. Nobody, everyone is a hypocrite and a sinner.
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Mr. Nobody, everyone is a hypocrite and a sinner.
Nice point however I'll need to think on that one awhile.
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Mr. Nobody, everyone is a hypocrite and a sinner.
Jesus was a communist.
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Agnostics pretend to be smarter than atheists or religious when they leave the big question open but infact they are cowards who are afraid of the god that just might be in existence. ::)
no fuckdick, they are people who are humble enough to admit that they as humans simply do not have the information available to them to make a definite, indisputable declaration either way.
something over-emotional, illogical white trash like yourself would not be able to understand because you are so convinced that you already know everything, which you dont cause your a fucking moron with the critical thinking capacity of a house fly
though i wouldnt technically be classified as a true agnostic because i believe in a higher intelligence, just not of the understanding of mainstream religion, but in the same sense it would be arrogant to say that i know 100% for certain that god exists, because like i said, i just dont have that level of information.
it all-or-nothing, black and white ideologue retards like yourself who are responsible for all the intolerance and hate presently observed in our society
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no fuckdick, they are people who are humble enough to admit that they as humans simply do not have the information available to them to make a definite, indisputable declaration either way.
something over-emotional, illogical white trash like yourself would not be able to understand because you are so convinced that you already know everything, which you dont cause your a fucking moron with the critical thinking capacity of a house fly
though i wouldnt technically be classified as a true agnostic because i believe in a higher intelligence, just not of the understanding of mainstream religion, but in the same sense it would be arrogant to say that i know 100% for certain that god exists, because like i said, i just dont have that level of information.
it all-or-nothing, black and white ideologue retards like yourself who are responsible for all the intolerance and hate presently observed in our society
You are right. I was too hasty. Maybe its god that is speaking to me when I eat my magic mushrooms and not only my imagination.
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Spanish inquisition anyone....? How's that for the work of organized religion?
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Spanish inquisition anyone....? How's that for the work of organized religion?
haha brutal 500 yr old example
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haha brutal 500 yr old example
exactly typical bias.......i mean you could site current day examples, like the muslim ethnic cleansing in somalia or bosnia......but thye needed to specifically insult christianity, so they had to delve back to the middle ages.
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You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do.
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You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do.
lot of truth there....
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God hates?
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God hates?
Sorry Coach but you are too stupid to understand that quote.
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Sorry Coach but you are too stupid to understand that quote.
Then explain it to me.
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Sorry Coach but you are too stupid to understand that quote.
hahahaha
sorry coach but that was too funny ;D
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Then explain it to me.
You asked...
Does God hate anyone? The answer is yes.
Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
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You asked...
Does God hate anyone? The answer is yes.
Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
I'm familiar with the scripture. So it's being interpreted that God hate the person or the act?
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Is that Old Testament also?
Love the sinner not the sin is God's stance.
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Sorry Coach but you are too stupid to understand that quote.
Actually no, I just wanted to hear your version.
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You asked...
Does God hate anyone? The answer is yes.
Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
If he shows up around here we are all in trouble.
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Is that Old Testament also?
Love the sinner not the sin is God's stance.
Seems che is the stupid one since he insists on drawing his own conclusions based on a hand picked scripture.
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Seems che is the stupid one since he insists on drawing his own conclusions based on a hand picked scripture.
whats scripture say about divorce?
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I don't see the issue people have with religion.
I practise it in a seculded building with fellow like minded people.
I do not ram it down peoples throat and respect other peoples views/choices.
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whats scripture say about divorce?
God hates it but in certain circumstances it's allowed (adultry) according to scripture (Matthew 19) I'm VERY familiar with it.
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I don't see the issue people have with religion.
I practise it in a seculded building with fellow like minded people.
I do not ram it down peoples throat and respect other peoples views/choices.
funny because you just called me a fag/schmoe (i'm neither) in the other thread
typical religious hypocrite that judges others than whines when others do it to him ::)
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I never said I was perfect at all.
I am calling you a schmoe because you fawn over bodybuilders in a creepy/sordid way.
I also bnever complained about others judging me. I simply don't care as there will always be people who do not like it - I can either accept this fact and move on or beat myself up about it. I chose the former.
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I never said I was perfect at all.
I am calling you a schmoe because you fawn over bodybuilders in a creepy/sordid way.
I also bnever complained about others judging me. I simply don't care as there will always be people who do not like it - I can either accept this fact and move on or beat myself up about it. I chose the former.
I "fawn" over bodybuilders on a bodybuilding forum, talking about bodybuilders in a positive light is so "creepy" ::)
if you ask me it's creepy to be on this forum while claiming to "hate" everything about bodybuilding, reminds me of the military father in "american beauty" :D
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Spanish inquisition anyone....?
'Our two weapons are fear and surprise.' :)
/i'll come in again...
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this is not a "cut" against you, but i doubt you actually know what "biblical" christianity is. so many people going around today claiming to be a christian, but they all believe different things...none of which are supported by the Bible.
maybe you could let us know here what youve been told about christianity and how a person is saved. it would be good to see what others who call themselves christians have been telling you. a true christians faith should be based off of the bible and not just "what they feel" is right. sadly, most so-called christians today have never even gotten through the first book, and yet they all claim to know this or that is right.
This is the most stupid post i read all week.. >:(
all organized religion is for sheep..
When you children grow up and become men you will understand the scam that is religion..
Most Intellectuals like myself are atheists. 8)
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I have not seen that film.
Can you explain your 'witty retort.'
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This is the most stupid post i read all week.. >:(
all organized religion is for sheep..
When you children grow up and become men you will understand the scam that is religion..
Most Intellectuals like myself are atheists. 8)
Yet you still have no respect for Evidence and a Scientific Consensus. You believe things opposite to evidence and fact all the time, I read through your posts on the Political Board and can`t believe my fuckign eyes how much faith and ignorance guides some of your thought process.
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Haha X 2 this guy sounds like the type of fag that is 1st in line for sex change for a sex change operation and is going to school to becomie a baby killing abortionist that freequents bug parties.
lol, you cant get more diverse and inclusionist then a trans-homosexual abortionist bug-chaser......maybe he/she has a future in san Fransisco politics
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no fuckdick, they are people who are humble enough to admit that they as humans simply do not have the information available to them to make a definite, indisputable declaration either way.
something over-emotional, illogical white trash like yourself would not be able to understand because you are so convinced that you already know everything, which you dont cause your a fucking moron with the critical thinking capacity of a house fly
though i wouldnt technically be classified as a true agnostic because i believe in a higher intelligence, just not of the understanding of mainstream religion, but in the same sense it would be arrogant to say that i know 100% for certain that god exists, because like i said, i just dont have that level of information.
it all-or-nothing, black and white ideologue retards like yourself who are responsible for all the intolerance and hate presently observed in our society
NewsFlash,
The evidence for both sides being true is hardly equal. Why do you covet intelligence so much? "RNA", Bacteria is the best equipped living organism on Earth that could survive in other areas of the Universe as we know it. Bacteria will outlive everything on earth. Why do you not find them to be the epitome of organic life since they clearly dominate all environments?
The probability for your god existing is nowhere close to the probability of non-existence. I find Agnostics really annoying because they act as if there is some other realm and believe it to be true WITHOUT any shred of evidence.
Perhaps this will help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
The argument from ignorance,[1] also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"[1][2]), or negative evidence,[1] is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true.
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NewsFlash,
The evidence for both sides being true is hardly equal. Why do you covet intelligence so much? "RNA", Bacteria is the best equipped living organism on Earth that could survive in other areas of the Universe as we know it. Bacteria will outlive everything on earth. Why do you not find them to be the epitome of organic life since they clearly dominate all environments?
The probability for your god existing is nowhere close to the probability of non-existence. I find Agnostics really annoying because they act as if there is some other realm and believe it to be true WITHOUT any shred of evidence.
Perhaps this will help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
The argument from ignorance,[1] also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"[1][2]), or negative evidence,[1] is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true.
Thank you. Deep down they ARE religious. They assume something supernatural. All hokus pokus.
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Yet you still have no respect for Evidence and a Scientific Consensus. You believe things opposite to evidence and fact all the time, I read through your posts on the Political Board and can`t believe my fuckign eyes how much faith and ignorance guides some of your thought process.
Because i don't believe "In man" made Global warming? Or because i don't believe in organized religion? or god for that matter?
Haha, why don't you show us your gravity suit for getting super lean?
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Haha, why don't you show us your gravity suit for getting super lean?
jus eat a donut son 8)
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Christianity is on it's way out...
time + science = Crushing the christian faith, and all other religions too
the only way someone can believe this shit is to never question it
Exactly. It's a stupid belief system for stupid people.
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jus eat a donut son 8)
Adonis can be funny sometimes..However, you can't take that fool to serious..
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brutal thread that didn't go the way the OP intended
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this is not a "cut" against you, but i doubt you actually know what "biblical" christianity is. so many people going around today claiming to be a christian, but they all believe different things...none of which are supported by the Bible.
maybe you could let us know here what youve been told about christianity and how a person is saved. it would be good to see what others who call themselves christians have been telling you. a true christians faith should be based off of the bible and not just "what they feel" is right. sadly, most so-called christians today have never even gotten through the first book, and yet they all claim to know this or that is right.
Problem is that the bible leaves tons to interpretation and Jesus/God isn't here to arbitrate the disagreements. Is there a Christian denomination that interprets the bible correctly all the way through in your opinion? Humans are fallible, right? How can you be certain your interpretation is correct when all Christians disagree on a number of points? Can't ask God directly can you? Or maybe he does reveal these things to his children through a mystical process?
Even in your particular denomination I'm sure there's tons of different factions where key points are interpreted slightly differently. Clearly not black and white issues or there would be no disagreements.
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NewsFlash,
The evidence for both sides being true is hardly equal.
what "two sides"? are you saying that god can not exist if science does?
The probability for your god existing is nowhere close to the probability of non-existence. I find Agnostics really annoying because they act as if there is some other realm and believe it to be true WITHOUT any shred of evidence.
whats the probability of existence without a god? ;D you just got owned
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There are MOUNTAINS of evidence why not to believe in a god, there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever to believe in a god. These are the two sides that ignorant agnostics seem to think have an equal probability of being true despite a hugely imbalanced scale.
The probability of Existence without a god is 100 percent. I am here.
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There are MOUNTAINS of evidence why not to believe in a god, there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever to believe in a god. These are the two sides that ignorant agnostics seem to think have an equal probability of being true despite a hugely imbalanced scale.
The probability of Existence without a god is 100 percent. I am here.
lol! your funny.
theres a mountain of evidence against God? please, give me JUST ONE piece of information against God. ;)
no evidence for god? the foundations of science rest upon the idea of God. Causality, for one. :)
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Furthermore, your second question is just pure juvenile ignorance. That is akin to asking whats the probability of existence without Unicorns or Leprechauns.
You do realize as evidence dictates (or total lack thereof in this case) that the same Probability for Leprechauns, Fairies and Talking Vacuum Cleaners existing is the EXACT same for your god when it comes to empirical evidence.
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There are MOUNTAINS of evidence why not to believe in a god, there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever to believe in a god. These are the two sides that ignorant agnostics seem to think have an equal probability of being true despite a hugely imbalanced scale.
The probability of Existence without a god is 100 percent. I am here.
blah ha! why do sperm and egg need to unite to reproduce anuslicious? shit if repro was that easy that step woul never be a requirement no?
let's hear your mountains of evidences not t believe in a god, tuna pants
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Furthermore, your second question is just pure juvenile ignorance. That is akin to asking whats the probability of existence without Unicorns or Leprechauns.
You do realize as evidence dictates (or total lack thereof in this case) that the same Probability for Leprechauns, Fairies and Talking Vacuum Cleaners existing is the EXACT same for your god when it comes to empirical evidence.
CAUSALITY
also, law of thermodynamics, and matter nor energy can ever be created nor destroyed in any action or reaction, and there must be equal cause as their is in the effect.
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lol! your funny.
theres a mountain of evidence against God? please, give me JUST ONE piece of information against God. ;)
no evidence for god? the foundations of science rest upon the idea of God. Causality, for one. :)
Evolution ruins the idea of perfect design and special design which are the hallmarks of your phony god.
The Foundations of Science rely upon verifiable and testable evidence. You are simply spinning yourself in circles with pure mumbo-jumbo bullshit and you have no clue as to what you think you are typing.
Sorry Taylor, while you have come a long way in some areas, going from a shit-brained Hardcore Right-Wing Republican to at least a somewhat reasonable politically minded person, you still have the mental capacity of believing in things with ZERO evidence and a want for a supernatural element that simply does not exist.
I will celebrate the day when you educate yourself just a bit more and drop your useless faith-based beliefs.
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CAUSALITY
also, law of thermodynamics, and matter nor energy can ever be created nor destroyed in any action or reaction, and there must be equal cause as their is in the effect.
ROFLMAO you must be one of those who believe the earth is only 6000 years old if you are trying to rehash the old 1899 Thermodynamic myth that has been slung around by creationists since then. Only the young earthers and the woefully misinformed try it.
Nothing violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The great astrophyisicist Sir Arthur Eddington put it with memorable irony. "If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell's equations — then so much the worse for Maxwell's equations. If it is found to be contradicted by observation — well, these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation." It is not for nothing that C P Snow used familiarity with the Second Law as his litmus test of scientific literacy.
The Second Law states that, in a closed system without external energy fed in from outside, entropy always increases. Entropy is often said to mean disorder, but in some ways the word 'mixed-upness' (Willard Gibbs's coining) fits better. A familiar metaphor is that of a library. If the readers in a library always leave books lying around on the tables, or shove them back on the shelves at random, the library will become increasingly disordered. To remain in a state of order, it needs an energetic librarian, constantly working to put books back on their proper shelves, and constantly checking the shelves for misplaced volumes. It is not that libraries have a magnetic attraction or an urgent drive towards a particular goal state called disorder. It is simply that the number of states of a library that we would call disordered is much greater than the tiny minority of states that we would recognize as ordered. There are many more ways of being disordered than of being ordered. No work needs to be done to drive a library toward one of the many states that we call disordered. It will just happen, willy nilly, unless energetic work is done to prevent the otherwise inevitable slide downhill into disorder.
The Second Law recognizes a similar downhill slide towards disorder in any closed system such as the universe, which lacks a source of externally supplied energy. In a local region with externally supplied energy, on the other hand, we may see what look like reversals, but the stress must be on 'local' and 'externally supplied'. Life on Earth may evolve towards greater complexity and increased order, but this is only possible because of a massive transfusion of energy from the sun. To return to the library analogy, natural selection, the nonrandom survival of successful genes in gene pools, could be called the librarian of life. And the energy to power it comes ultimately from the sun. The overall trend of the thermodynamic river is still downhill. But a small tithe of the sun's energy is trapped by plants and used to power a trickle in the reverse direction. This reverse trickle is to be found not only in evolution but in the physiology of every individual organism, and in many chemical reactions. It is like a ram pump, which uses the energy of a flowing river to pump a small quantity of the water uphill.
Once again, it is not my purpose here to argue for the validity of the Second Law. It is undisputed. Nor is it my purpose to defend evolution against the charge of violating it. My purpose is again to convey the sheer magnitude of the error that Burgess and McIntosh are attributing to their hugely more numerous 'establishment' colleagues, who accept evolution and supply cogent arguments against the suggestion that it violates the Second Law. As with the age of the Earth, this is not some minor, recondite dispute among scientists. It is a monumental disagreement. One side or the other has got to be wrong, and not just slightly wrong but catastrophically, ignominiously, disastrously wrong. Evolutionists are accused of believing in a theory that violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics. If Burgess and McIntosh are right, almost all the scientists in the world should, in Eddington's words, 'collapse in deepest humiliation.' If they are right, evolution has to be ruled out, not because of some evidential problems or deficiencies as is common in science, but for a much more radical reason. Evolution, on their view, is completely and utterly ruled out for the same kind of reason as a patent inspector will reject a design for a perpetual motion machine without even looking at it. We earlier saw that McIntosh is, in effect, accusing the scientific establishment of believing that a man is 521 miles tall. Now we see that he also accuses us of believing something as absurd as that a river will run uphill. Maybe he is right on both counts, but the sheer magnitude of the error attributed to the rest of us should at least give him pause. When I say it is not a minor mistake we scientists are accused of, I am giving a whole new depth of meaning to the word understatement.
Richard Dawkins FRS is the Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University. His books include The Selfish Gene, The Blind Watchmaker, Climbing Mount Improbable, The Ancestor's Tale and, most recently, The God Delusion.
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Religion is for the sheep of this world.
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Evolution ruins the idea of perfect design and special design which are the hallmarks of your phony god.
The Foundations of Science rely upon verifiable and testable evidence. You are simply spinning yourself in circles with pure mumbo-jumbo bullshit and you have no clue as to what you think you are typing.
Sorry Taylor, while you have come a long way in some areas, going from a shit-brained Hardcore Right-Wing Republican to at least a somewhat reasonable politically minded person, you still have the mental capacity of believing in things with ZERO evidence and a want for a supernatural element that simply does not exist.
I will celebrate the day when you educate yourself just a bit more and drop your useless faith-based beliefs.
Evolution ruins what? Does existence have to be "perfect" in order for God to exist? Even if so, What would a perfect existence be like?
Its quite possible, in fact i believe it to be true, that existence as it is now is as perfect as it could possibly be. Or, to better state the idea: "We live in the best of all possible worlds" ( -Gottfried Leibniz).
Science, no matter what it ever unveiled about the mechanics of reality, would never produce any piece of information that would in any way damage the argument for the existence of God.
Science should lead you to a deeper respect for the brilliance of God, the brilliance of the world he created, not push you away from it.
Evolution is an absolutely amazing process that sheds a little bit of light on the extrordinary power and Goodness of God.
BTW, if the only thing that existed was a small bit of potassium somewhere in empty space.. it would be all the proof necessary to logically prove, with the basic laws of science, that god exists.
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CAUSALITY
also, law of thermodynamics, and matter nor energy can ever be created nor destroyed in any action or reaction, and there must be equal cause as their is in the effect.
Prove that causality and laws of thermodynamics are always present. Hint, you cant.
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ROFLMAO you must be one of those who believe the earth is only 6000 years old if you are trying to rehash the old 1899 Thermodynamic myth that has been slung around by creationists since then. Only the young earthers and the woefully misinformed try it.
You assumption was wrong.
Matter can never be created, nor destroyed in any natural action or reaction. basic law of physics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality
causality:
"Causality postulates that there are laws by which the occurrence of an entity B of a certain class depends on the occurrence of an entity A of another class, where the word entity means any physical object, phenomenon, situation, or event. A is called the cause, B the effect.
"Antecedence postulates that the cause must be prior to, or at least simultaneous with, the effect.
"Contiguity postulates that cause and effect must be in spatial contact or connected by a chain of intermediate things in contact."
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Evolution ruins what? Does existence have to be "perfect" in order for God to exist? Even if so, What would a perfect existence be like?
Its quite possible, in fact i believe it to be true, that existence as it is now is as perfect as it could possibly be. Or, to better state the idea: "We live in the best of all possible worlds" ( -Gottfried Leibniz).
Science, no matter what it ever unveiled about the mechanics of reality, would never produce any piece of information that would in any way damage the argument for the existence of God.
Science should lead you to a deeper respect for the brilliance of God, the brilliance of the world he created, not push you away from it.
Evolution is an absolutely amazing process that sheds a little bit of light on the extrordinary power and Goodness of God.
BTW, if the only thing that existed was a small bit of potassium somewhere in empty space.. it would be all the proof necessary to logically prove, with the basic laws of science, that god exists.
You really are delusional my friend. You are all over the map, spouting popular young Earth Creationist Myths.
Hope this helps:
This shows more a misconception about thermodynamics than about evolution. The second law of thermodynamics says, "No process is possible in which the sole result is the transfer of energy from a cooler to a hotter body." [Atkins, 1984, The Second Law, pg. 25] Now you may be scratching your head wondering what this has to do with evolution. The confusion arises when the 2nd law is phrased in another equivalent way, "The entropy of a closed system cannot decrease." Entropy is an indication of unusable energy and often (but not always!) corresponds to intuitive notions of disorder or randomness. Creationists thus misinterpret the 2nd law to say that things invariably progress from order to disorder.
However, they neglect the fact that life is not a closed system. The sun provides more than enough energy to drive things. If a mature tomato plant can have more usable energy than the seed it grew from, why should anyone expect that the next generation of tomatoes can't have more usable energy still? Creationists sometimes try to get around this by claiming that the information carried by living things lets them create order. However, not only is life irrelevant to the 2nd law, but order from disorder is common in nonliving systems, too. Snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes, stalactites, graded river beds, and lightning are just a few examples of order coming from disorder in nature; none require an intelligent program to achieve that order. In any nontrivial system with lots of energy flowing through it, you are almost certain to find order arising somewhere in the system. If order from disorder is supposed to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, why is it ubiquitous in nature?
The thermodynamics argument against evolution displays a misconception about evolution as well as about thermodynamics, since a clear understanding of how evolution works should reveal major flaws in the argument. Evolution says that organisms reproduce with only small changes between generations (after their own kind, so to speak). For example, animals might have appendages which are longer or shorter, thicker or flatter, lighter or darker than their parents. Occasionally, a change might be on the order of having four or six fingers instead of five. Once the differences appear, the theory of evolution calls for differential reproductive success. For example, maybe the animals with longer appendages survive to have more offspring than short-appendaged ones. All of these processes can be observed today. They obviously don't violate any physical laws.
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blah ha! why do sperm and egg need to unite to reproduce anuslicious? shit if repro was that easy that step woul never be a requirement no?
let's hear your mountains of evidences not t believe in a god, tuna pants
pleeze explain this pube brain true anus and how it is a must for repro and how that is "evolving"
i will check in tomorrow to see your explanation
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You really are delusional my friend. You are all over the map, spouting popular young Earth Creationist Myths.
Hope this helps:
my brother, the earth is not young and all life evolved out of "lifeless" particles. true.
however that "life out of lifeless" part is just one more bit of the argument for God. ;D
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There are MOUNTAINS of evidence why not to believe in a god, there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever to believe in a god. These are the two sides that ignorant agnostics seem to think have an equal probability of being true despite a hugely imbalanced scale.
The probability of Existence without a god is 100 percent. I am here.
Not too bright are ya?
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pleeze explain this pube brain true anus and how it is a must for repro and how that is "evolving"
i will check in tomorrow to see your explanation
There are many organisms that do not require Sperm or an Egg whatsoever. Ever heard of Asexual Reproduction? Have you heard of little things called Self Replicating Bacteria and Viruses for one or plants that are able to pollinate themselves?
How about these: New-Mexican Whip-Tail Lizards
The asexual, all-female whiptail species Cnemidophorus neomexicanus (center), which reproduces via parthenogenesis, no male required, no male sperm needed whatsoever.
(http://dwrcdc.nr.utah.gov/rsgis2/images/Photos/aspineom.jpg)
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Not too bright are ya?
coach will you please keep quiet when people are discussin the REASONS for believing in God. Or just during any discussion of God in general. Hateful, negative, hypocrits like yourself who are ignorant and push false ideas only hurt humanity, and God.
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my brother, the earth is not young and all life evolved out of "lifeless" particles. true.
however that "life out of lifeless" part is just one more bit of the argument for God. ;D
You are using young earth Creationist Arguments via the Thermodynamic Myth.
You might want to drop that one since it is not only disastrously and blatantly false, it signifies you as a Young Earth Creationist as these are the ONLY types who believe that ignorant myth.
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I hate debates about religion. They just endlessly go in circles.
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my brother, the earth is not young and all life evolved out of "lifeless" particles. true.
however that "life out of lifeless" part is just one more bit of the argument for God. ;D
Life on earth and its beginnings all started with RNA, a self-replicator. Its not that complicated nor is it mystical.
There is no need to make leaps in logic with ZERO evidence. Also, if we do not know something as of yet it is perfectly fine to say, "We do not know yet, we are still working on the answer".
You make the leap in logic and claim an answer with no Evidence, no working hypothesis, NOTHING.
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You are using young earth Creationist Arguments via the Thermodynamic Myth.
You might want to drop that one since it is not only disastrously and blatantly false, it signifies you as a Young Earth Creationist as these are the ONLY types who believe that ignorant myth.
Life on earth and its beginnings all started with RNA, a self-replicator. Its not that complicated nor is it mystical.
There is no need to make leaps in logic with ZERO evidence. Also, if we do not know something as of yet it is perfectly fine to say, "We do not know yet, we are still working on the answer".
You make the leap in logic and claim an answer with no Evidence, no working hypothesis, NOTHING.
you thought i was using a "young earth creationist argument". but i was not.
adam, because there is one thing, there must have been another. there is no independant existance. modern science is based on that idea. God is an absolutely necessary being, without which existence of any kind is impossible.
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you thought i was using a "young earth creationist argument". but i was not.
adam, because there is one thing, there must have been another. there is no independant existance. modern science is based on that idea. God is an absolutely necessary being, without which existence of any kind is impossible.
That IS a Young Earth Creationist Argument. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY you can believe that myth unless out of sheer ignorance of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and of Evolution.
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coach will you please keep quiet when people are discussin the REASONS for believing in God. Or just during any discussion of God in general. Hateful, negative, hypocrits like yourself who are ignorant and push false ideas only hurt humanity, and God.
Tbombz, for the most part your a good guy, but sometimes you come off as a 20 year old know it all that I would just like to smack the shit out of just to for you to realize a little common sense. You really know a lot less than you let on.
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You really are delusional my friend. You are all over the map, spouting popular young Earth Creationist Myths.
Hope this helps:
This shows more a misconception about thermodynamics than about evolution. The second law of thermodynamics says, "No process is possible in which the sole result is the transfer of energy from a cooler to a hotter body." [Atkins, 1984, The Second Law, pg. 25] Now you may be scratching your head wondering what this has to do with evolution. The confusion arises when the 2nd law is phrased in another equivalent way, "The entropy of a closed system cannot decrease." Entropy is an indication of unusable energy and often (but not always!) corresponds to intuitive notions of disorder or randomness. Creationists thus misinterpret the 2nd law to say that things invariably progress from order to disorder.
However, they neglect the fact that life is not a closed system. The sun provides more than enough energy to drive things. If a mature tomato plant can have more usable energy than the seed it grew from, why should anyone expect that the next generation of tomatoes can't have more usable energy still? Creationists sometimes try to get around this by claiming that the information carried by living things lets them create order. However, not only is life irrelevant to the 2nd law, but order from disorder is common in nonliving systems, too. Snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes, stalactites, graded river beds, and lightning are just a few examples of order coming from disorder in nature; none require an intelligent program to achieve that order. In any nontrivial system with lots of energy flowing through it, you are almost certain to find order arising somewhere in the system. If order from disorder is supposed to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, why is it ubiquitous in nature?
The thermodynamics argument against evolution displays a misconception about evolution as well as about thermodynamics, since a clear understanding of how evolution works should reveal major flaws in the argument. Evolution says that organisms reproduce with only small changes between generations (after their own kind, so to speak). For example, animals might have appendages which are longer or shorter, thicker or flatter, lighter or darker than their parents. Occasionally, a change might be on the order of having four or six fingers instead of five. Once the differences appear, the theory of evolution calls for differential reproductive success. For example, maybe the animals with longer appendages survive to have more offspring than short-appendaged ones. All of these processes can be observed today. They obviously don't violate any physical laws.
You're a total idiot Adam.
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That IS a Young Earth Creationist Argument. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY you can believe that myth unless out of sheer ignorance of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and of Evolution.
no its not, your taking me for some kind of uneducated fool who only spouts off arguments fed to him by retards.
To quote Hans Landa, We simply aren't operating on the level of mutual respect I assumed.
God is necessary, dont you get it. Nothing comes from nothing, everything comes from something. law of thermodynamics. theres a shitload of energy and matter- where did it all come from?
the deeper you delve into science the more it becomes obvious
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Cosmos and Creator
by Mark Eastman, M.D.
PURSUE THIS TOPIC:
ARTICLES
Why Does God Allow Evil?
They have been called the two greatest questions that face mankind:
Does God exist, and if He does, what is His nature?
Since the time of the ancient Greek philosophers, the answers to these questions have been sought by examining the nature of the universe and its life forms. In the 20th century more evidence has accumulated to answer these questions than at any time in history.
In the book of Romans, the Apostle Paul made a remarkable statement regarding the relationship between our understanding of the universe and the existence and attributes of God.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.
-Romans 1:18-20
According to Paul, not only is the existence of God inexcusably evident, but the invisible attributes of God can also be discerned with an examination of creation.
The Cosmos
By the turn of the 20th century many of the laws of physics had been described so successfully that many felt that all that remained was to confirm these laws to a few more decimal places. So successful were Isaac Newton's descriptive laws of motion and gravitation and Maxwell's laws of electromagnetism, that anomalies were often ignored or unrecognized by the physics community. However, when Albert Einstein published the first of his relativity theories in 1905, he shocked the physics community with a staggering new view of space, time, matter and energy. Though he did not know it at the time, his theories provided dramatic insights into the attributes of the Creator of the cosmos.
Among other things, what Einstein's theories revealed was that the flow of time and the structure of space were relative to the velocity, mass and acceleration of the observers. That is, their observed values were not fixed: they were relative.
For thousands of years scientists and philosophers believed that time was nothing more than an abstract notion, conceived in the minds of men, and used to describe the change seen in the physical world. Time, it was believed, was not a thing, it was a mental contrivance. Einstein showed that this was wrong. Time, Einstein showed, was "plastic." That is, it is a physical property of the universe, and that the observed rate that time flows depends on the physical conditions present at the measuring device.
In brief, Einstein's special and general theories of Relativity, now confirmed to at least 15 decimal places, predicted that when a clock travels at high velocity it slows down relative to an another clock whose position is fixed. The same slowing effect is seen when a clock is accelerated or is advanced toward an increasing gravitational field. In addition, Einstein showed that space and time are tightly coupled; so much so that physicists now refer to space-time when speaking of these components. But this was just the beginning.
Several years after Einstein's theories were published, astronomer Willem de Sitter found a mathematical error in Einstein's equations. When corrected, he found a startling mathematical prediction buried within his equations: The universe was finite! Space-time, matter, and energy had a beginning.
In his book, It's About Time, popular author and physicist Paul Davies remarks on this incredible discovery.
Modern scientific cosmology is the most ambitious enterprise of all to emerge from Einstein's work. When scientists began to explore the implications of Einstein's time for the universe as a whole, they made one of the most important discoveries in the history of human thought: that time, and hence all of physical reality, must have had a definite origin in the past. If time is flexible and mutable, as Einstein demonstrated, then it is possible for time to come into existence-and also to pass away again; there can be a beginning and an end to time.1
The Skeptic
I recently had an opportunity to speak on the origin of life at a major public university in Southern California. In attendance were a number of professors who are self-described agnostics. During the question period, one of the professors admitted that the evidence is compelling that the universe was indeed finite. He said that while he could not believe in God (because he couldn't see Him, or study Him scientifically) he said he did believe that someday scientists would discover a law that would explain the origin and order of the universe and its life forms.
After pointing out that he had just expressed faith - the belief in things unseen, but hoped for - I asked him if he believed that the laws of physics, which work in our space-time domain, also had a beginning. He was forced to concede that they did because they would have no place to act before the space-time domain existed.
The final blow came when I asked him if he then believed that some "law" of physics could explain the origin of the laws of physics! He saw the point: The laws of physics cannot be the cause of the laws of physics! The cause of the universe and its laws must be must be independent of the space-time domain, exactly as the Bible claimed 3,500 years earlier!
The Creator
Paul's statement regarding the attributes of God being discerned by an examination of the nature of the universe is quite staggering, considering the state of scientific knowledge in the first century A.D. At that time it was commonly believed that the universe was eternal. In the face of that commonly held bias, the Bible clearly taught that the universe was finite, and the Creator is independent of time and space-exactly as 20th century cosmology suggests.
In the Beginning God created the heavens an the earth... -Genesis 1:1
...&God, (v.9) who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
-2 Timothy 1:8-9 NKJ
...in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began.
- Titus 1:2 NKJ
The finiteness of space-time not only points to a Creator who is independent of the cosmos, but it also gives us insight into the minimum resume of such a Being.
The Uncaused Cause
In my discussion with the agnostic professors, I asked them to give me the caveat, for the sake of my next argument, that God did indeed exist. They agreed. I then asked them what would be the minimum "resume" of such a Being. Remarkably, they were quite insightful in their deductions. They quickly recognized that such a Being would not only have to be independent of space-time, but must also be incredibly powerful, incredibly intelligent and able to act unencumbered, simultaneously inside and outside the time domain. Remarkably, without recognizing it, they had described the resume of the Creator as revealed in the Biblical text!
Among other things, the law of cause and effect asserts that a cause is always greater than its effect. Applied to the cosmos it means that the Creator must be more powerful than all the energy stored in all the stars in all the galaxies in the entire universe. Physicists believe that there are at least 1080 particles in the universe. Einstein's famous equation, E=mc2 indicates that the energy stored in the mass of the universe is equal to the mass times the speed of light squared! From this perspective, the Creator must be an all-powerful, omnipotent Being. This very attribute is credited to God throughout the Bible's text.
Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee.
-Jeremiah 32:17
Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
-Jeremiah 32:27
In my discussion with the professors, even they admitted that all the chemists, molecular biologists, and physicists in the world combined have been unable to create a DNA molecule from raw elements; hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, phosphorus, etc. Moreover, molecular biologists admit that living cells are metabolic machines which are vastly more complicated than any machine made by mankind. They agreed in principle that the nature of these cellular "machines" would require a Being possessing unfathomable intelligence. Such a Being would be, from our limited perspective, an all-knowing, omniscient Creator. Throughout the Bible's text God is described in such terms. For example, in Jeremiah 1:5, God's omniscience is illustrated in his foreknowledge of the prophet even before he was born:
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.
-Jer 1:5
The infinite knowledge of God2 is proclaimed in 1 John 3:20 and in Psalm 147:5:
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.
-1 John 3:20
Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; his understanding is infinite.
-Psalm 147:5
Finally, if our space-time domain is the direct creation of God, then once He created the cosmos, in order to organize and uphold the galaxies, solar system and its life forms, the Creator must be able to act simultaneously, inside and outside the space time domain. This attribute we call omnipresence. This too is an attribute that is ascribed to God throughout the Bible's text.3
Am I a God near at hand," says the LORD, "And not a God afar off? Can anyone hide himself in secret places, So I shall not see him?" says the LORD; "Do I not fill heaven and earth?" says the LORD.
-Jeremiah 23:23-24
For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.
-Matthew 18:20
God: A Force?
At the end of my discussion, one of the professors asked, "Why did God create us in the first place?" I couldn't believe my ears! To answer this question we needed to deal with another attribute that I believe is also a minimum attribute of God: Personhood. Although Albert Einstein eventually came to a belief in a Creator, he did not believe in a personal God. This was primarily because he believed that a benevolent God would not allow so much evil and suffering in the world. But is this reasonable? I don't believe so.
As expected, at the end of the evening, like Einstein before them, the professors expressed the most common objection to the existence of a personal God: the problem of evil. Like so many skeptics today, they framed the question: "If God exists, if God is a personal Being, if God loves me, then why does he allow evil?" The answer to this question can also be discerned by an examination of "the things that are made."
The answer is so startling and so beautiful and so important because it ties together not only the nature of God and the nature of mankind, but it also provides the answer to the ultimate questions in life: The answers to my origin, meaning, morality and destiny! For this discussion, stay tuned next month.
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''Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence''
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''Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence''
what would you call life? what would you call atomic energy ? what would you call existence?
EXTRAORDINARY
one of the brilliant things about God is logic, and how it applies to his essence. circular? as is everything :)
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one of the brilliant things about God is logic, and how it applies to his essence. circular? as is everything :)
You can switch the word God for a black cock or a white unicorn and it wouldn't make any difference to me :)
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Hold up.......Lets just consider for a minute about organized religious beliefs about the world and how it is past and present......Devote christians would say it hasn't changed....Eventhough, they have revised the bible many times over to fit popular demand....If I am wrong, than why has it been revised so many times? Why are there scriptures "lost"(eliminated) to fit the need of organized religious persuit???
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Is that damn priest at it again? You know, you can report him.
;D
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only a f@ggy, herd following liberal would think that the height of intellect is to rip only on Christianity......
way to be a mindless insect, you parents must be proud
the jewish controlled media told you to hate the religion of your forefathers.......and you did; like a lobotomized cow.
thats just how sheep-le like you are.....you conform to whatever the pictures and words on the screen of the picturebox tell you to
you have the power to help humanity_right now_today............... put a gun in your mouth, and kill yourself
sheep
My rejection of Christianity has nothing to do with being Jewish.
I'm just not stupid enough to believe in fairy tales, but you are more than welcome to...and I'm more than welcome to remind you that you're not capable of higher thought. No biggie.
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Any religious system is not about facts, it's about believing.
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what part of the country do you live in where this christianity is shoved down your throat?
midwest...family...frien ds...work...facebook...n eighbors...people that come knocking
on my door...people protesting me when i walk out of movies calling me a sinner for
going to a fucking movie...bumper stickers...news...
like i said, fucking everywhere
maybe i should start knocking on peoples doors spreading the word of physics ;D
and to those calling me a coward, ignorant, etc...i rip on christianity because i was brought
up in it...i am allowed to tear into shit that has been a disease during my life
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no fuckdick, they are people who are humble enough to admit that they as humans simply do not have the information available to them to make a definite, indisputable declaration either way.
something over-emotional, illogical white trash like yourself would not be able to understand because you are so convinced that you already know everything, which you dont cause your a fucking moron with the critical thinking capacity of a house fly
though i wouldnt technically be classified as a true agnostic because i believe in a higher intelligence, just not of the understanding of mainstream religion, but in the same sense it would be arrogant to say that i know 100% for certain that god exists, because like i said, i just dont have that level of information.
it all-or-nothing, black and white ideologue retards like yourself who are responsible for all the intolerance and hate presently observed in our society
you just contradicted yourself within the same text, you have lost your posting privileges for one week, starting tomorrow.
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Any religious system is not about facts, it's about believing.
Really, there are thousands of archeological findings that coincide with what is found in the Bible.
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no its not, your taking me for some kind of uneducated fool who only spouts off arguments fed to him by retards.
To quote Hans Landa, We simply aren't operating on the level of mutual respect I assumed.
God is necessary, dont you get it. Nothing comes from nothing, everything comes from something. law of thermodynamics. theres a shitload of energy and matter- where did it all come from?
the deeper you delve into science the more it becomes obvious
why does everything but god need a creator, your logic doesn't follow aka non sequitor. If energy is neither created nor destroyed that would imply it always existed, a beginning is not needed and is perhaps a fallacy of our restricted perceptions. Something can come from nothing by the way, this has been proven. I find the deeper i delve into science the more obvious it is that everything is random and no intelligence is needed. Placing god at the start of your chain with no reason why he doesn't need a creator himself adds more to the question, you place a hypercomplex being at the start before even the simplest thing existed.
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There are many organisms that do not require Sperm or an Egg whatsoever. Ever heard of Asexual Reproduction? Have you heard of little things called Self Replicating Bacteria and Viruses for one or plants that are able to pollinate themselves?
How about these: New-Mexican Whip-Tail Lizards
The asexual, all-female whiptail species Cnemidophorus neomexicanus (center), which reproduces via parthenogenesis, no male required, no male sperm needed whatsoever.
(http://dwrcdc.nr.utah.gov/rsgis2/images/Photos/aspineom.jpg)
i didn't ask you about asexual reproduction.
you dodged my question without answering it. waiting for your explanation.
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Really, there are thousands of archeological findings that coincide with what is found in the Bible.
like what?
are you talking about supernatural disprove evolution findings, or stuff on historical places and such? clarify.
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Really, there are thousands of archeological findings that coincide with what is found in the Bible.
If Bible were true, there should still be a garden of Eden, protected by a swinging flaming sword on the only path to it.
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LMAO
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If Bible were true, there should still be a garden of Eden, protected by a swinging flaming sword on the only path to it.
hahahaha so true
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Really, there are thousands of archeological findings that coincide with what is found in the Bible.
LOL. Without Google, you couldn't name 3,21. Who are you kidding, Coach? ;)
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LOL. Without Google, you couldn't name 3,21. Who are you kidding, Coach? ;)
HAHAHA...becareful Dr.Chimps or Coach will come back and try to talk down to you because you haven't done anything in life like he has. You're just a know it all who needs to move out of his parents basement, get job, make a living, pay taxes, vote republican,yada, yada, yada.... ::)
and if you're realy lucky he'll threaten to smack you around, like Tbombz, just for questioning his "beliefs"...actually that sounds exactly like how "christians" act.
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why does everything but god need a creator, your logic doesn't follow aka non sequitor. If energy is neither created nor destroyed that would imply it always existed, a beginning is not needed and is perhaps a fallacy of our restricted perceptions. Something can come from nothing by the way, this has been proven. I find the deeper i delve into science the more obvious it is that everything is random and no intelligence is needed. Placing god at the start of your chain with no reason why he doesn't need a creator himself adds more to the question, you place a hypercomplex being at the start before even the simplest thing existed.
aha! good post :)
Now iI cant really argue too much with you, but I can tell you that you are probably a pantheist. Nature is your God, since nature is forever(to you).
But there are problems with pantheism.. can space, time, and matter all be infinite? if they arent infinite, then what is "outside" of those?
Also... all of science is based upon matter. but matter itself doesnt even make sense. matter, by definition is SOLID and infinitely divisible. neither of those make any sense, do they? can you cancieve of an object that is infinitely divisible? what starts to happen as you "approach" infinite (i know using "approach infinite" is a fallacy but you know what i mean)
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aha! good post :)
Now iI cant really argue too much with you, but I can tell you that you are probably a pantheist. Nature is your God, since nature is forever(to you).
But there are problems with pantheism.. can space, time, and matter all be infinite? if they arent infinite, then what is "outside" of those?
Also... all of science is based upon matter. but matter itself doesnt even make sense. matter, by definition is SOLID and infinitely divisible. neither of those make any sense, do they? can you cancieve of an object that is infinitely divisible? what starts to happen as you "approach" infinite (i know using "approach infinite" is a fallacy but you know what i mean)
well actually infinites don't exist and are non sensical, they exist in mathematics for the purpose of equations and balancing, not so in real life.
"But there are problems with pantheism.. can space, time, and matter all be infinite? if they arent infinite, then what is "outside" of those?"
not a pantheist, but if you say that matter for example cannot be infinite, then the thing outside matter cannot be either using your logic. This leaves us with an infinite regress of what is outside that? which is nonsensical.
Science is based on reality, there is no such thing as something immaterial. The material world is all that exists as we know it.
I am an atheist, weak atheist.
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well actually infinites don't exist and are non sensical, they exist in mathematics for the purpose of equations and balancing, not so in real life.
"But there are problems with pantheism.. can space, time, and matter all be infinite? if they arent infinite, then what is "outside" of those?"
not a pantheist, but if you say that matter for example cannot be infinite, then the thing outside matter cannot be either using your logic. This leaves us with an infinite regress of what is outside that? which is nonsensical.
Science is based on reality, there is no such thing as something immaterial. The material world is all that exists as we know it.
I am an atheist, weak atheist.
first you say infinite's dont exist.
then you say it would be non-sensical to say that matter can not be infinite.
either infinite's do not exist, and space/time/matter are all finite. OR, infinites do exist..
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first you say infinite's dont exist.
then you say it would be non-sensical to say that matter can not be infinite.
either infinite's do not exist, and space/time/matter are all finite. OR, infinites do exist..
no im saying your argument is non sensical either way you put it. Infinites dont exist and if they did your analogy is flawed in that, what is outside the universe would have to have something outside it and so on.
My statements are not mutually exclusive and i clearly state in the second phrase that i am responding to your argument. Even if they did exist, i just wanted to show you that the argument is self defeating.
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no im saying your argument is non sensical either way you put it. Infinites dont exist and if they did your analogy is flawed in that, what is outside the universe would have to have something outside it and so on.
My statements are not mutually exclusive and i clearly state in the second phrase that i am responding to your argument. Even if they did exist, i just wanted to show you that the argument is self defeating.
infinites dont exist. so space and time are finite? be careful.. :)
There would have to be something outside of God? well, the concept of God... an eternal, infinite, supremely good being.. If you accept his existence, then there is no need for something outside of God.
If you accept Space and Time as infinite and eternal, then theres no need for anything outside of them.
If space and time are not eternal and infinite, I see even more necessity for Gods existence.
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HAHAHA...becareful Dr.Chimps or Coach will come back and try to talk down to you because you haven't done anything in life like he has. You're just a know it all who needs to move out of his parents basement, get job, make a living, pay taxes, vote republican,yada, yada, yada.... ::)
and if you're realy lucky he'll threaten to smack you around, like Tbombz, just for questioning his "beliefs"...actually that sounds exactly like how "christians" act.
i have threatened someone because they questioned my 'belief'?
i welcome those with questions.. hopefully i can give some answers :)
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theres a prevelant view in society that if its possible for science to explain existence in mechanical terms, step by step, logical development of everything that exists within the laws of physics.... that somehow because everything is knowable about this physical world, it means that God is no longer necessary.
By definition, this physical world we live in is completely explainable through science/observation.
Humans are not the proof of God, existence is the proof of God...
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you just contradicted yourself within the same text, you have lost your posting privileges for one week, starting tomorrow.
didnt contradict myself at all "necrosis" stop beig obstuse, your shaming both yourslef and your family.
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didnt contradict myself at all "necrosis" stop beig obstuse, your shaming both yourslef and your family.
LOL
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infinites dont exist. so space and time are finite? be careful.. :)
There would have to be something outside of God? well, the concept of God... an eternal, infinite, supremely good being.. If you accept his existence, then there is no need for something outside of God.
If you accept Space and Time as infinite and eternal, then theres no need for anything outside of them.
If space and time are not eternal and infinite, I see even more necessity for Gods existence.
energy could very well be eternal, eternal is referring to time, infinite refers to size different dimensions. There is no reason space cannot be finite, why would you think there is? in cosmology it is known based on mathematics that the universe is expanding into nothing, by definition the universe is all that exists.
"There would have to be something outside of God? well, the concept of God... an eternal, infinite, supremely good being.. If you accept his existence, then there is no need for something outside of God. "
well an sentient being living in eternity makes no sense, how could he act? action is a temporal term. If he is infinite then he is not whole, its obvious he is not supremely good.
I also dont accept your definiton of god, you have to prove these qualities based on axioms, that some super powerful sentient being lives outside the universe, in eternity creating everything. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed as you put it, hence it always was. You somehow misconstrued this to ask the question who created the thing that cannot be created ie energy?
There is no good reason to believe in god, and no good argument either. However, there are numerous good arguments against.
also based on quantum mechanics something can come from nothing, further lessening gods need.
We know that things tend to get more complex as we go along, so what you guys are prosposing is the exact opposite, before even the simplest thing there was the most complex thing ever ie god, it again is non sensical
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The Christian religion single handedly has suppressed the evolution of man...Killing hundreds of thousands of very intelligent human minds all through out the dark ages and beyond...If the Roman Empire never fell. And Christianity was never born. We would probably have many humans living on Mars and/or other planets right now...That religion really did a lot of damage in suppressing/killing the scientific mind...
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The bible does recount factual events that happened in history....However, how those events were depicted were very one sided with no other views offered nor excepted....If you grew up on a remote island with no understanding of Christianity, will you still be judged by a God you have never known nor considered????
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A god is very real I imagine. But most likely it's something we can't comprehend.
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The bible does recount factual events that happened in history....However, how those events were depicted were very one sided with no other views offered nor excepted....If you grew up on a remote island with no understanding of Christianity, will you still be judged by a God you have never known nor considered????
Romans 1:20
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Christianity is on it's way out...
time + science = Crushing the christian faith, and all other religions too
the only way someone can believe this shit is to never question it
Science = FAILED !
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The bible does recount factual events that happened in history....However, how those events were depicted were very one sided with no other views offered nor excepted....If you grew up on a remote island with no understanding of Christianity, will you still be judged by a God you have never known nor considered????
The historical accuracy of the bible and the supernatural claims of the bible are two entirely different beasts.
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Science = FAILED !
You = Half-wit
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energy could very well be eternal, eternal is referring to time, infinite refers to size different dimensions. There is no reason space cannot be finite, why would you think there is? in cosmology it is known based on mathematics that the universe is expanding into nothing, by definition the universe is all that exists.
space is finite? the universe is ALL that exists? the universe contains that which is not spacial? if space is finite, what is "outside" of space?
"There would have to be something outside of God? well, the concept of God... an eternal, infinite, supremely good being.. If you accept his existence, then there is no need for something outside of God. "
well an sentient being living in eternity makes no sense, how could he act? action is a temporal term. If he is infinite then he is not whole, its obvious he is not supremely good.
action in reference to God is anthropomorphizing God. you think of action in terms of mechanics, some kind of surface must touch another surface.. God doesn't reside nor 'act' within space or as matter.
I also dont accept your definiton of god, you have to prove these qualities based on axioms, that some super powerful sentient being lives outside the universe, in eternity creating everything. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed as you put it, hence it always was. You somehow misconstrued this to ask the question who created the thing that cannot be created ie energy?
obviously there isnt much argument left here.. all i can do is share my thoughts and opinions with you to shed light on my reasoning.
energy has never been. we observe it within this physical, spacial realm.. but this realm itself is a construct from God, and it isnt really real, just a place for God to develop minds.
There is no good reason to believe in god, and no good argument either. However, there are numerous good arguments against.
also based on quantum mechanics something can come from nothing, further lessening gods need.
this doesnt lessen a need for God. something had to have came from nothing, cuz we are here correct? thats a given. God is the prime mover, the ultimate cause. science observes the laws he put into effect for this world :)
We know that things tend to get more complex as we go along, so what you guys are prosposing is the exact opposite, before even the simplest thing there was the most complex thing ever ie god, it again is non sensical
things dont ALWAYS get more complex. thats a fallacy. nevertheless, even if it was the case, that wouldnt be any argument at all against God. Humans had to evolve in a world with zero intelligence or life. out of nothing but lifeless particles. the only possible way for that evoltuion to take place is a slow gradual movement from simple to complex. that doesnt say anything about the eternal order of things, but only that within this physical world complex beings can not come into existence naturally without some logical, mechanical pathway
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Quote from: Necrosis on April 03, 2010, 06:54:56 PM
energy could very well be eternal, eternal is referring to time, infinite refers to size different dimensions. There is no reason space cannot be finite, why would you think there is? in cosmology it is known based on mathematics that the universe is expanding into nothing, by definition the universe is all that exists.
space is finite? the universe is ALL that exists? the universe contains that which is not spacial? if space is finite, what is "outside" of space?
Nothing, read some cosmology. Your necessity for something to be outside of space is unfounded and frankly an impossible assumption, because by definition we can never examine something outside the universe as it is all that exists by definition. You are merely stating an opinion based on no axioms, on a failed assumption that doesn't need to be made. I could then just say whats outside that which is outside the universe? you have given no reason why something needs to be outside the universe, or why that thing is exempt from your rules, the rules you applied to the universe.
"There would have to be something outside of God? well, the concept of God... an eternal, infinite, supremely good being.. If you accept his existence, then there is no need for something outside of God. "
well an sentient being living in eternity makes no sense, how could he act? action is a temporal term. If he is infinite then he is not whole, its obvious he is not supremely good.
action in reference to God is anthropomorphizing God. you think of action in terms of mechanics, some kind of surface must touch another surface.. God doesn't reside nor 'act' within space or as matter.
WHY? how do you know this. I do not know this and since i do not you cannot. You can know nothing about a god that lives in eternity, is omnipotent, omniscent and infinite. You can't so your rules for god make no sense. Why is there a need for a god? what does he help explain?
I also dont accept your definiton of god, you have to prove these qualities based on axioms, that some super powerful sentient being lives outside the universe, in eternity creating everything. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed as you put it, hence it always was. You somehow misconstrued this to ask the question who created the thing that cannot be created ie energy?
obviously there isnt much argument left here.. all i can do is share my thoughts and opinions with you to shed light on my reasoning.
energy has never been. we observe it within this physical, spacial realm.. but this realm itself is a construct from God, and it isnt really real, just a place for God to develop minds.
not sure what you mean when you say energy has never been, there is no evidence for that. Your second sentence is merely conjecture that really is a wild assumption with no evidence at all. This realm has to be real or accepted as such, it is the primary axiom we use to make decisions, discover and live. You accept it whether you know it or not.
There is no good reason to believe in god, and no good argument either. However, there are numerous good arguments against.
also based on quantum mechanics something can come from nothing, further lessening gods need.
this doesnt lessen a need for God. something had to have came from nothing, cuz we are here correct? thats a given. God is the prime mover, the ultimate cause. science observes the laws he put into effect for this world
Saying god is the prime mover complicates the matter, we have experiments showing virtual particles popping into existence in a vaccum, why then do you need to add a god? it complicates the question. You are adding a super intelligent, hypercomplex being to explain the complexity of life. Based on that logic, that complex things require creators, god requires a creator since he is even more complex. Adding god MAKES NO SENSE.
We know that things tend to get more complex as we go along, so what you guys are prosposing is the exact opposite, before even the simplest thing there was the most complex thing ever ie god, it again is non sensical
things dont ALWAYS get more complex. thats a fallacy. nevertheless, even if it was the case, argument at all againsthat wouldnt be any t God. Humans had to evolve in a world with zero intelligence or life. out of nothing but lifeless particles. the only possible way for that evoltuion to take place is a slow gradual movement from simple to complex. that doesnt say anything about the eternal order of things, but only that within this physical world complex beings can not come into existence naturally without some logical, mechanical pathway
How is that a fallacy, things tend to complexity via bootstrapping among other mechanisms. The universe started out small and increased in complexity, life the same way, technology the same way. why is god exempt from this?You cant say anything about the eternal order of things, because we live in a temporal world, stating things about eternity are mere conjectures except for the fact that it is timeless. How would that seem, well we have no idea as we cant fathom it, does it exist? not sure.
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Christianity is on it's way out...
time + science = Crushing the christian faith, and all other religions too
the only way someone can believe this shit is to never question it
Religion is the Devil
how and why people get into organized religions and believe all that HOT GARBAGE is beyond me.
and giving them their money ......just ridiculous......
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midwest...family...friends...work...facebook...neighbors...people that come knocking
on my door...people protesting me when i walk out of movies calling me a sinner for
going to a fucking movie...bumper stickers...news...
People that come knocking on your door are usually from cults. Cults generally don't believe that Jesus is God so they do not fit the biblical definition of "Christian."
Do your friends and family still try to shove it down your throat when you tell them you don't want to hear about it?
The people protesting you going to movies seems weird to me. Do you know what their reasoning for saying that's a sin?
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Those who lack faith can find truth here:
The Truth Project
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the Old Testament is a collection of stories that hold more spiritual truth than literal truth
ignoring the New Testament and dismissing Christianity because of the Jewish Torah is pretty foolish
as for religion vs. science, I don't understand why people think they're incompatible . . .
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So, Space and Matter are both finite. Outside of them: "Nothingness".
is nothingness mystical? is nothing really nothing, since surely nothingness must be SOMETHING or else there wouldnt be any name for it at all. so what is outside of finite space? nothing.. and what exactly is that?
i think you can see that no matter what the universe HAS to have some kind of mystical, eternal "magic".. whether or an atheist or theist or whatever..
I think its rational to assume an intelligent creator :)
Quote from: Necrosis on April 03, 2010, 06:54:56 PM
energy could very well be eternal, eternal is referring to time, infinite refers to size different dimensions. There is no reason space cannot be finite, why would you think there is? in cosmology it is known based on mathematics that the universe is expanding into nothing, by definition the universe is all that exists.
space is finite? the universe is ALL that exists? the universe contains that which is not spacial? if space is finite, what is "outside" of space?
Nothing, read some cosmology. Your necessity for something to be outside of space is unfounded and frankly an impossible assumption, because by definition we can never examine something outside the universe as it is all that exists by definition. You are merely stating an opinion based on no axioms, on a failed assumption that doesn't need to be made. I could then just say whats outside that which is outside the universe? you have given no reason why something needs to be outside the universe, or why that thing is exempt from your rules, the rules you applied to the universe.
"There would have to be something outside of God? well, the concept of God... an eternal, infinite, supremely good being.. If you accept his existence, then there is no need for something outside of God. "
well an sentient being living in eternity makes no sense, how could he act? action is a temporal term. If he is infinite then he is not whole, its obvious he is not supremely good.
action in reference to God is anthropomorphizing God. you think of action in terms of mechanics, some kind of surface must touch another surface.. God doesn't reside nor 'act' within space or as matter.
WHY? how do you know this. I do not know this and since i do not you cannot. You can know nothing about a god that lives in eternity, is omnipotent, omniscent and infinite. You can't so your rules for god make no sense. Why is there a need for a god? what does he help explain?
I also dont accept your definiton of god, you have to prove these qualities based on axioms, that some super powerful sentient being lives outside the universe, in eternity creating everything. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed as you put it, hence it always was. You somehow misconstrued this to ask the question who created the thing that cannot be created ie energy?
obviously there isnt much argument left here.. all i can do is share my thoughts and opinions with you to shed light on my reasoning.
energy has never been. we observe it within this physical, spacial realm.. but this realm itself is a construct from God, and it isnt really real, just a place for God to develop minds.
not sure what you mean when you say energy has never been, there is no evidence for that. Your second sentence is merely conjecture that really is a wild assumption with no evidence at all. This realm has to be real or accepted as such, it is the primary axiom we use to make decisions, discover and live. You accept it whether you know it or not.
There is no good reason to believe in god, and no good argument either. However, there are numerous good arguments against.
also based on quantum mechanics something can come from nothing, further lessening gods need.
this doesnt lessen a need for God. something had to have came from nothing, cuz we are here correct? thats a given. God is the prime mover, the ultimate cause. science observes the laws he put into effect for this world
Saying god is the prime mover complicates the matter, we have experiments showing virtual particles popping into existence in a vaccum, why then do you need to add a god? it complicates the question. You are adding a super intelligent, hypercomplex being to explain the complexity of life. Based on that logic, that complex things require creators, god requires a creator since he is even more complex. Adding god MAKES NO SENSE.
We know that things tend to get more complex as we go along, so what you guys are prosposing is the exact opposite, before even the simplest thing there was the most complex thing ever ie god, it again is non sensical
things dont ALWAYS get more complex. thats a fallacy. nevertheless, even if it was the case, argument at all againsthat wouldnt be any t God. Humans had to evolve in a world with zero intelligence or life. out of nothing but lifeless particles. the only possible way for that evoltuion to take place is a slow gradual movement from simple to complex. that doesnt say anything about the eternal order of things, but only that within this physical world complex beings can not come into existence naturally without some logical, mechanical pathway
How is that a fallacy, things tend to complexity via bootstrapping among other mechanisms. The universe started out small and increased in complexity, life the same way, technology the same way. why is god exempt from this?You cant say anything about the eternal order of things, because we live in a temporal world, stating things about eternity are mere conjectures except for the fact that it is timeless. How would that seem, well we have no idea as we cant fathom it, does it exist? not sure.
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So, Space and Matter are both finite. Outside of them: "Nothingness".
is nothingness mystical? is nothing really nothing, since surely nothingness must be SOMETHING or else there wouldnt be any name for it at all. so what is outside of finite space? nothing.. and what exactly is that?
i think you can see that no matter what the universe HAS to have some kind of mystical, eternal "magic".. whether or an atheist or theist or whatever..
I think its rational to assume an intelligent creator :)
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Nothing refers to nothing. The opposite of something. We know it by what it is not, once you say it has to have something, you turn it into something not nothing.
No magic needed, its irrational by definition to assume an intelligent creator, that is a faith based belief that has no evidence, faith is irrational by definition.
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I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Nothing refers to nothing. The opposite of something. We know it by what it is not, once you say it has to have something, you turn it into something not nothing.
No magic needed, its irrational by definition to assume an intelligent creator, that is a faith based belief that has no evidence, faith is irrational by definition.
You can not argue with believers since religious people conveniently made god an invisible being who cannot be detected and exists outside of all that we know.
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You can not argue with believers since religious people conveniently made god an invisible being who cannot be detected and exists outside of all that we know.
I love the outside all that we know part, but they know ::)
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SHE'S NOT A CHRISTIANAAAAAAHHHH
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Oh hot christmas I LOVE crazy people.
SHE'S tampering in dark sided stuff!!! YES YES, she did!!!! !! The entire house!!!!! is dark sided!! oh man ;D
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if god made the earth who made god?
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Those who lack faith can find truth here:
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what gets me is these fools that say "god says"..."god tells us"
nobody has or ever will talk to "god"
i love how these morons can just make shit up and say that "god said..."
oh boy
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I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Nothing refers to nothing. The opposite of something. We know it by what it is not, once you say it has to have something, you turn it into something not nothing.
No magic needed, its irrational by definition to assume an intelligent creator, that is a faith based belief that has no evidence, faith is irrational by definition.
"nothing" is impossible. there always has to be something.
either the universe, and space, is infinite, or there is some kind of mystical property to existence.
even if space is infinite, I still see a necessary creator.
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I love the outside all that we know part, but they know ::)
i never claimed to know.
you might be mistaken.. i dont believe that the Bible is Gods word. I do think the bible has a good message and i agree with the teachings of Jesus but I see no reason to believe that Jesus was actually the son of God or that the men who wrote the bible were divinely inspired. Im not even sure if I believe in life after death
I simply see God as completely necessary.
Some cling to God because they fear death. I think life is a blessing even if we die. People ask too much, they should be grateful to God for the time they have been given.. not think that they are somehow entitled to eternal life.
Alot of people dont have faith because they understand death is imminent, and they see a science that completely debunks the literal translation of the bible, and they connect the bible to God.
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i never claimed to know.
you might be mistaken.. i dont believe that the Bible is Gods word. I do think the bible has a good message and i agree with the teachings of Jesus but I see no reason to believe that Jesus was actually the son of God or that the men who wrote the bible were divinely inspired. Im not even sure if I believe in life after death
I simply see God as completely necessary.
Some cling to God because they fear death. I think life is a blessing even if we die. People ask too much, they should be grateful to God for the time they have been given.. not think that they are somehow entitled to eternal life.
Alot of people dont have faith because they understand death is imminent, and they see a science that completely debunks the literal translation of the bible, and they connect the bible to God.
How you're not the top Panjandrum of The Genius Institute is a mystery. ;)
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People that come knocking on your door are usually from cults. Cults generally don't believe that Jesus is God so they do not fit the biblical definition of "Christian."
Do your friends and family still try to shove it down your throat when you tell them you don't want to hear about it?
The people protesting you going to movies seems weird to me. Do you know what their reasoning for saying that's a sin?
Didn't Christianity start out as a cult?
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Didn't Christianity start out as a cult?
Does the Bible actually say Jesus is god?
Is there really a difference between a cult and a religion?
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Does the Bible actually say Jesus is god?
Is there really a difference between a cult and a religion?
Cult=Religion
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I'm in sales. Now with that said, I had some people one time tell me that God will tell them to purchase or not. I responded to them , without missing a beat, by telling them; God already spoke to me and he said you should buy. Needless to say they had no response to me telling them that lol....Such a frail faith, when people use God as an excuse so often lol
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"nothing" is impossible. there always has to be something.
either the universe, and space, is infinite, or there is some kind of mystical property to existence.
even if space is infinite, I still see a necessary creator.
well its an assumption that is somewhat unfounded that nothing is impossible. Again, physics has shown that something can come from nothing, so im not sure what you mean by impossible.
infinite refers to size, because your mind demands limits does not mean it is so, because your mind cannot fathom infinite doesnt make it mystical. The universe is likely a torus that is expanding into nothing ie no matter, no energy.
even if i grant you that eternal and infinite have to be the criteria for existence, a creator fits that bill no better then the universe and on top of that requires more answers and further questions. You are pushing the question back further and further. What happened before the big bang? what is outside the universe? who created the universe then? it's ok to say i don't know, in fact i already know that we will never have all of the information on the universe if godel is right.
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well its an assumption that is somewhat unfounded that nothing is impossible. Again, physics has shown that something can come from nothing, so im not sure what you mean by impossible.
infinite refers to size, because your mind demands limits does not mean it is so, because your mind cannot fathom infinite doesnt make it mystical. The universe is likely a torus that is expanding into nothing ie no matter, no energy.
even if i grant you that eternal and infinite have to be the criteria for existence, a creator fits that bill no better then the universe and on top of that requires more answers and further questions. You are pushing the question back further and further. What happened before the big bang? what is outside the universe? who created the universe then? it's ok to say i don't know, in fact i already know that we will never have all of the information on the universe if godel is right.
This is a good piece here.
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Abrahamic religions are such an obvious scam, they've stolen stuff from myths and legends way older than the first testament. It's all well known superstitious shit in a different packaging. I mean even though I myself don't believe in it, I do see how one could make an argument for some sort of creator or initial "mover" if you will... but the desert god of a death cult? Bitch please.
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As a Christian myself, ive learned you can't save everybody.. All you can do is plant a seed... I focus on myself and my realationship with God and improve on that daily.... Feels good to know I'm going to heaven and storing up tresures in heaven and not focusing on storing up treasures on earth..
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Christianity is on it's way out...
we can only hope... ;D
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As a Christian myself, ive learned you can't save everybody.. All you can do is plant a seed... I focus on myself and my realationship with God and improve on that daily.... Feels good to know I'm going to heaven and storing up tresures in heaven and not focusing on storing up treasures on earth..
I am happy for you, just don't push this shit on other people.
jt
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As a Christian myself, ive learned you can't save everybody.. All you can do is plant a seed... I focus on myself and my realationship with God and improve on that daily.... Feels good to know I'm going to heaven and storing up tresures in heaven and not focusing on storing up treasures on earth..
Sad that you spend this life waiting for something that will not happen. :-\
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As a Christian myself, ive learned you can't save everybody.. All you can do is plant a seed... I focus on myself and my realationship with God and improve on that daily.... Feels good to know I'm going to heaven and storing up tresures in heaven and not focusing on storing up treasures on earth..
What kind of treasures?
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well its an assumption that is somewhat unfounded that nothing is impossible. Again, physics has shown that something can come from nothing, so im not sure what you mean by impossible.
infinite refers to size, because your mind demands limits does not mean it is so, because your mind cannot fathom infinite doesnt make it mystical. The universe is likely a torus that is expanding into nothing ie no matter, no energy.
even if i grant you that eternal and infinite have to be the criteria for existence, a creator fits that bill no better then the universe and on top of that requires more answers and further questions. You are pushing the question back further and further. What happened before the big bang? what is outside the universe? who created the universe then? it's ok to say i don't know, in fact i already know that we will never have all of the information on the universe if godel is right.
nothing isnt nothing, nothing is something- its empty space, going through time.... that is, within your idea of what existence is
it is possible that existence is exactly as you said... and it probably is something very similar.. matter and energy residing wihin an infinite space and eternal time..
the questions about "what comes after that" arent to be circular.. but to tryt o get you to see the idea that "everythin has to cme from somethign"..
even existence itself
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Go on and getcha that "mega nut", Patrick Bateman.
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What kind of treasures?
happyness and love :) the greatest treasures of all
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hookers and blow:) the greatest treasures of all
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I'm in sales. Now with that said, I had some people one time tell me that God will tell them to purchase or not. I responded to them , without missing a beat, by telling them; God already spoke to me and he said you should buy. Needless to say they had no response to me telling them that lol....Such a frail faith, when people use God as an excuse so often lol
i once had a client leave our business saying rather than joining our program she is going to "pray away the pounds"
are you fucking kidding me
i also was actually selling a business, and one of the prospects told us that after our meeting they were going to "pray about it and
then make their decision"...well obviously Jesus Fucking Christ told them no, cause they were not the buyers
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i once had a client leave our business saying rather than joining our program she is going to "pray away the pounds"
are you fucking kidding me
i also was actually selling a business, and one of the prospects told us that after our meeting they were going to "pray about it and
then make their decision"...well obviously Jesus Fucking Christ told them no, cause they were not the buyers
Never trust a car salesman who puts "Honest" before his name or a businessman who keeps a bible on his desk.
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nothing isnt nothing, nothing is something- its empty space, going through time.... that is, within your idea of what existence is
it is possible that existence is exactly as you said... and it probably is something very similar.. matter and energy residing wihin an infinite space and eternal time..
the questions about "what comes after that" arent to be circular.. but to tryt o get you to see the idea that "everythin has to cme from somethign"..
even existence itself
you are contradicting yourself, aquinas argument went something like this, nothing cannot exist for if nothing ever existed something never would, since we are here we can conclude that something does exist and has always existed. Why does something exist rather then nothing, well, as he put it somethings essence must be to exist, that is, the exists for which its essence is solely to exist.
when you say eternal you cant say everything needs a creator, because for one eternal nullifies that notion, it is endless time, no beginning no end, no cause no effect it negates causation. Then even if i grant you that somethign always needs a creator we get into a infinite regress of creators. That is, who is the creators creator and so on, thus making the argument senseless and failing basic logic, ie not possible, not true everything does not need a creator. Everything does not need to be eternal, although i believe it may be and infinite does not exist in real life, its a concept.
Everything does not have to come from something, you really have two options, somethign always existed, or something always existed. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, a law i put my money on that. No god needed, no further questions. specifically ones about whats outside or other inane questions like what came before time?
paradoxical questions that make no sense. Its also an assumption that we have the tools to understand the universe, something i think is unfounded.
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Sad that you spend this life waiting for something that will not happen. :-\
hey guys you really need to back off of him, he has his views, let him be.
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causality does apply to existence, eternity has no concept of time.. time, and existence have a cause.. whatever it may be
you are contradicting yourself, aquinas argument went something like this, nothing cannot exist for if nothing ever existed something never would, since we are here we can conclude that something does exist and has always existed. Why does something exist rather then nothing, well, as he put it somethings essence must be to exist, that is, the exists for which its essence is solely to exist.
when you say eternal you cant say everything needs a creator, because for one eternal nullifies that notion, it is endless time, no beginning no end, no cause no effect it negates causation. Then even if i grant you that somethign always needs a creator we get into a infinite regress of creators. That is, who is the creators creator and so on, thus making the argument senseless and failing basic logic, ie not possible, not true everything does not need a creator. Everything does not need to be eternal, although i believe it may be and infinite does not exist in real life, its a concept.
Everything does not have to come from something, you really have two options, somethign always existed, or something always existed. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, a law i put my money on that. No god needed, no further questions. specifically ones about whats outside or other inane questions like what came before time?
paradoxical questions that make no sense. Its also an assumption that we have the tools to understand the universe, something i think is unfounded.
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hey guys you really need to back off of him, he has his views, let him be.
you shouldnt discourage questioning, you should welcome it..
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In the eyes of god we are all equally wise and equally foolish be you a religious fanatic or atheist scientist. The end of days may come unexpectedly for all of us and what these scientists for? Just a random the end as the chaos theory describes. I congratulate you all!
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In the eyes of god we are all equally wise and equally foolish be you a religious fanatic or atheist scientist. The end of days may come unexpectedly for all of us and what these scientists for? Just a random the end as the chaos theory describes. I congratulate you all!
Fuck off with your death cult. This shit has been retarding our civilization for too long now.
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In the Synoptics, Jesus relays an apocalyptic vision of the end of days. He
preaches that the end of the current world will come unexpectedly
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In the Synoptics, Jesus relays an apocalyptic vision of the end of days. He
preaches that the end of the current world will come unexpectedly
Well yeah duh, Jesus is a fuckin douche.
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Well yeah duh, Jesus is a fuckin douche. and I am myself a clown!
It will come unexpectedly and just randomly as the chaos theory describes. And you will face a new world as the quantum mechanics suggests.
He will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the
sheep from the goats, and He will put the sheep at his right hand and the
goats at the left. Then the king will say to those at His right hand, “Come,
you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from
the foundation of the world
Feeling yourself tough? I saw tougher, the guy was yelling on the whole street that Jesus is a fuckin (he repeated that word 100 times not once as you) douche, then I never saw him again.
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Well I believe that there has to be something. God has shown himself in many different ways. Just do what works for you! I'm lucky to have been born a Muslim, so I've never had to worry about anything. When I need an answer, it's always in the Quran. For instance: "God goes by 100 beautiful names" is open to interpretation. It's all good. The important thing is to believe in God or something greater than yourself. It's all the same God anyway.
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It will come unexpectedly and just randomly as the chaos theory describes. And you will face a new world as the quantum mechanics suggests.
He will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the
sheep from the goats, and He will put the sheep at his right hand and the
goats at the left. Then the king will say to those at His right hand, “Come,
you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from
the foundation of the world
Feeling yourself tough? I saw tougher, the guy was yelling on the whole street that Jesus is a fuckin (he repeated that word 100 times not once as you) douche, then I never saw him again.
So I assume you have evidence for all this? I mean it would be pretty embarrassing if you didn't. It would make your intellectual capacity seem like that of a frog.
Seems like a cool guy the one you mentioned, perhaps a bit on the nutty side but still cool nonetheless. Jesus is a douche and a fraudulent one at that.
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So I assume you have evidence for all this? I mean it would be pretty embarrassing if you didn't. It would make your intellectual capacity seem like that of a frog.
Seems like a cool guy the one you mentioned, perhaps a bit on the nutty side but still cool nonetheless. Jesus is a douche and a fraudulent one at that.
Evidence of what? Of the different world out of this one? In your case you don't need that you're the kind of a guy who believes Jesus is a douche and fraudulent untill your last day comes. Hurry up to inform everyone around about that as you may not walk up tommorow. Going by the chaos theory and of randomness of things the aircraft would land onto your head while you sleep and still not waking up you will enter the world of the other universe as the quantum mechanics suggests. Everything in hands of God since the world you see stands, hurry up. Jesus waits ya
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Evidence of what? Of the different world out of this one? In your case you don't need that you're the kind of a guy who believes Jesus is a douche and fraudulent untill your last day comes. Hurry up to inform everyone around about that as you may not walk up tommorow. Going by the chaos theory and of randomness of things the aircraft would land onto your head while you sleep and still not waking up you will enter the world of the other universe as the quantum mechanics suggests. Everything in hands of God since the world you see stands, hurry up. Jesus waits ya
are you a troll because chaos theory is the opposite of what you are saying it is.
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are you a troll because chaos theory is the opposite of what you are saying it is.
I don't care if the aircraft lands onto your empty head in the night it's evolution then.
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midwest...family...friends...work...facebook...neighbors...people that come knocking
on my door...people protesting me when i walk out of movies calling me a sinner for
going to a fucking movie...bumper stickers...news...
like i said, fucking everywhere
maybe i should start knocking on peoples doors spreading the word of physics ;D
and to those calling me a coward, ignorant, etc...i rip on christianity because i was brought
up in it...i am allowed to tear into shit that has been a disease during my life
those people are Christian by name, not in the heart.. they don't know the heart of God
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Does the Bible actually say Jesus is god?
Jesus did not personally say that I AM GOD.. but you will discover his signature in the Bible depicting He is God.
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Jesus did not personally say that I AM GOD.. but you will discover his signature in the Bible depicting He is God.
John 13:13
"You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am.
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John 13:13
"You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am.
Allah's words spoken through the profit Jesus Christ - Peace be upon him "I" "Lord" "teacher" refers to God ;D
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Jesus did not personally say that I AM GOD.. but you will discover his signature in the Bible depicting He is God.
I love Jesus (peace be upon him) and his teachings. He gave us a wonderful message from the creator. ;D
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John 13:13
"You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am.
Ah yes, ze bible. The ultimate book in science and history. Especially when it's been edited for political reasons. The word of god finds its way to the human kind in weird ways.
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John 13:13
"You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am.
You see, Jesus was using what other said about Him.. but He never proclaim Himself as "I am God".
but it's so interesting when you read the Bible in the original language (Hebrew and Greek ), you can find Jesus' signature in the beginning of Genesis.
In Revelations Jesus said I am the the Alpha and Omega, The First and The Last.. Alpha and Omega are the first and the last word in Greek but Jesus spoke in Aramaic, which means Aleph Tav. In the Book of Genesis 1:1, in its original language (Hebrew), it says "In the beginning God (Aleph/Tav) created Heavens and the earth"..
It was Jesus who created the Heavens and Earth
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Who knows? Anyway, a wise Rastafarian in Toronto told me that: "God shows himself and the people think what they want." Not sure if he made it up, or read it.
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You see, Jesus was using what other said about Him.. but He never proclaim Himself as "I am God".
but it's so interesting when you read the Bible in the original language (Hebrew and Greek ), you can find Jesus' signature in the beginning of Genesis.
In Revelations Jesus said I am the the Alpha and Omega, The First and The Last.. Alpha and Omega are the first and the last word in Greek but Jesus spoke in Aramaic, which means Aleph Tav. In the Book of Genesis 1:1, in its original language (Hebrew), it says "In the beginning God (Aleph/Tav) created Heavens and the earth"..
It was Jesus who created the Heavens and Earth
news flash...just because a book says something doesnt make it so....
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news flash...just because a book says something doesnt make it so....
well news flash.. just because you're born with a penis doesn't mean it will make you a man
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Allah's words spoken through the profit Jesus Christ - Peace be upon him "I" "Lord" "teacher" refers to God ;D
I've never heard this view before.
As phyxsius said, Jesus does indicate that He is God more than once in the bible. When Jesus does indicate He is God, do you guys think He is "channeling" Allah each time or something like that? Do your other prophets also indicate they are God? Thanks!
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news flash...just because a book says something doesnt make it so....
Not without the ability to verify the claims being made within.
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John 13:13
"You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am.
And he said about 100 times he is not god. ::)
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Not without the ability to verify the claims being made within.
exactly
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What kind of treasures?
Read the bible and find out :)
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Sad that you spend this life waiting for something that will not happen. :-\
How do you know it will not happen?? If we evolved from monkeys then why are there still monkeys?? For those that believe in evolution.. Everybody isn't going to heaven, thats why there is a hell and Satan that roams the earth to decieve people into not believing but God may give them a second chance soon after death.... It's nobodys choice but yours.. Believe what you want... I'll still be your friend...
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How do you know it will not happen?? If we evolved from monkeys then why are there still monkeys?? For those that believe in evolution.. Everybody isn't going to heaven, thats why there is a hell and Satan that roams the earth to decieve people into not believing but God may give them a second chance soon after death.... It's nobodys choice but yours.. Believe what you want... I'll still be your friend...
This right here disqualifies you from any serious discussion. Come back when you've actually read any long book.
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How do you know it will not happen?? If we evolved from monkeys then why are there still monkeys?? For those that believe in evolution.. Everybody isn't going to heaven, thats why there is a hell and Satan that roams the earth to decieve people into not believing but God may give them a second chance soon after death.... It's nobodys choice but yours.. Believe what you want... I'll still be your friend...
Believe? Evolution isn't a belief. It's a scientific theory backed by mountains of empirical evidence that you can verify for yourself.
Believe.
That's funny.
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causality applies to existence.. its possible for time and space to be infinitie.. maybe they are.. maybe they arent.. but time and space exists! and that is proof of a necessary CAUSE. Everything that happens is completely explainable. If there is something, and there is, then it can be explained.
science is awesome! but it still leaves a mystery.. one only God can fill.
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causality applies to existence.. its possible for time and space to be infinitie.. maybe they are.. maybe they arent.. but time and space exists! and that is proof of a necessary CAUSE. Everything that happens is completely explainable. If there is something, and there is, then it can be explained.
science is awesome! but it still leaves a mystery.. one only God can fill.
I don't agree with you at all on this but lets grant that there is a god that started it all.. what kind of god is it? Just a prime mover or some omni-potent being?
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I don't agree with you at all on this but lets grant that there is a god that started it all.. what kind of god is it? Just a prime mover or some omni-potent being?
We can assume God is good(he "chose" to create), God is all powerful(he created), and God is eternal(he is THE creator).
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We can assume God is good(he "chose" to create), God is all powerful(he created), and God is eternal(he is THE creator).
Aw come on man wth, you're just an ordinary nut job christian in disguise. What a disappointment.
"God is good"
The idea of good is a product of the human mind. What constitutes good also changes over the course of time which makes it even more fallible.
It's irrelevant for a creating deity unless you're a theist.
"God is all powerful"
So you're saying that this creating deity is an omniscient omni-potent being? Does it rule over the universe or just created it?
"God is eternal"
Not even the universe as we know it is eternal since it's heading for nothingness. Not even atoms will remain, only minuscule particles. How can your deity be eternal with all the supposed abilities you ascribe him? How can you possibly prove this without mentioning faith? Could it all possibly be a freak product of your imagination? I believe so.
Just admit that you're a full blown theist and stop with this deist crap.
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Aw come on man wth, you're just an ordinary nut job christian in disguise. What a disappointment.
"God is good"
The idea of good is a product of the human mind. What constitutes good also changes over the course of time which makes it even more fallible.
It's irrelevant for a creating deity unless you're a theist.
"God is all powerful"
So you're saying that this creating deity is an omniscient omni-potent being? Does it rule over the universe or just created it?
"God is eternal"
Not even the universe as we know it is eternal since it's heading for nothingness. Not even atoms will remain, only minuscule particles. How can your deity be eternal with all the supposed abilities you ascribe him? How can you possibly prove this without mentioning faith? Could it all possibly be a freak product of your imagination? I believe so.
Just admit that you're a full blown theist and stop with this deist crap.
Great post,
there has never been any proof or evidence of a god being here or ever existing, I may be slightly partial to a belief depicted in the movies/books 'Stargate' , 'Contact' and 'Mission to Mars' where thousands or millions of years ago extraterrestrial beings seeded the earth for life and left or moved on to another part of the universe.
But the 'bible' type god that christians and jews believe in, you'd have to be f*cking loony to believe in an imaginary man in the sky that makes everything ok..
initially (during early times) the concept of god was created to exaplin natural phenomena like lightning, rain, thunderstorms, earthquakes, tornadoes, etc. that's all it ever was, unfortunately a select group of people decided to live with their eyes closed and keep believing in emptiness.
Listen to the first minute of this...brilliant..
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We can assume God is good(he "chose" to create), God is all powerful(he created), and God is eternal(he is THE creator).
creating does not imply good, the rational does not follow. Is the creator of the atomic bomb good? what about the creator of syphillis, herpes, aids, congenital malformities, oh wait thats god. There is no logical connection between good and creation, he could be just as likely evil and created life to watch us suffer. God is all powerfull ie he created does not follow, he could be powerfull enough to create but not all powerfull, there is no logic there. Again why is god exempt from creation but the universe has to be created, the logic does not follow. You are making the rules up as you go with no reasoning besides the word eternal which may or may not exist and is something we can really say nothing about. For instance he created in eternity in this sentence we have a contradiction. Eternity implies no time, creation an act requires something to come before then after, a temporal event, thus the ability to create in eternity makes no sense.
None of gods attributes make sense, they are incompatible with each other.
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creating does not imply good, the rational does not follow. Is the creator of the atomic bomb good? what about the creator of syphillis, herpes, aids, congenital malformities, oh wait thats god. There is no logical connection between good and creation, he could be just as likely evil and created life to watch us suffer. God is all powerfull ie he created does not follow, he could be powerfull enough to create but not all powerfull, there is no logic there. Again why is god exempt from creation but the universe has to be created, the logic does not follow. You are making the rules up as you go with no reasoning besides the word eternal which may or may not exist and is something we can really say nothing about. For instance he created in eternity in this sentence we have a contradiction. Eternity implies no time, creation an act requires something to come before then after, a temporal event, thus the ability to create in eternity makes no sense.
None of gods attributes make sense, they are incompatible with each other.
Excellent post, the whole concept of 'god' is one giant clusterfuck of contradictions and oxymoron's.
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Aw come on man wth, you're just an ordinary nut job christian in disguise. What a disappointment.
"God is good"
The idea of good is a product of the human mind. What constitutes good also changes over the course of time which makes it even more fallible.
It's irrelevant for a creating deity unless you're a theist.
Morals are not a product of the human mind. Good is not a product of the human mind. There are differences in culturally acceptable behaviors. "Moral relativity". Sure. Creation(in the sense of existence) is inherently good.
"God is all powerful"
So you're saying that this creating deity is an omniscient omni-potent being? Does it rule over the universe or just created it?
God obviously has the power to create everything that is within this universe. Subsequently, he completely understand everything in the universe. Besides the universe, there is only God, and im sure he knows himself too. ;)
"God is eternal"
Not even the universe as we know it is eternal since it's heading for nothingness. Not even atoms will remain, only minuscule particles. How can your deity be eternal with all the supposed abilities you ascribe him? How can you possibly prove this without mentioning faith? Could it all possibly be a freak product of your imagination? I believe so.
Something must have always been. Both beleivers and atheist agree. But what an atheist doesnt realise is that only God can be forever(Its impossible for space and matter to even exist, let alone be the only that ever existed). It follows that God necessarily exists.
Just admit that you're a full blown theist and stop with this deist crap.
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creating does not imply good, the rational does not follow. Is the creator of the atomic bomb good? what about the creator of syphillis, herpes, aids, congenital malformities, oh wait thats god. There is no logical connection between good and creation, he could be just as likely evil and created life to watch us suffer.
Creation IS good. you just arent seeing it.
God is all powerfull ie he created does not follow, he could be powerfull enough to create but not all powerfull, there is no logic there. Again why is god exempt from creation but the universe has to be created, the logic does not follow. You are making the rules up as you go with no reasoning besides the word eternal which may or may not exist and is something we can really say nothing about. For instance he created in eternity in this sentence we have a contradiction. Eternity implies no time, creation an act requires something to come before then after, a temporal event, thus the ability to create in eternity makes no sense.
None of gods attributes make sense, they are incompatible with each other.
time begins and ends, eternity does not... time happens during a portion of eternity... eternity is not a place, it is a term for forever. God does live in eternity, nor act in eternity..
you arent accepting God, and thats why you dont get it. Circular? you betcha. lol.. ill be back to expand more on my answers to this post later... ive got a paper to be doing.
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time begins and ends, eternity does not... time happens during a portion of eternity... eternity is not a place, it is a term for forever. God does live in eternity, nor act in eternity..
you arent accepting God, and thats why you dont get it. Circular? you betcha. lol.. ill be back to expand more on my answers to this post later... ive got a paper to be doing.
its relative, creation isnt inherently good. I dont know i geuss the people who commit suicide disagree with you. You have no idea if god acts in eternity, lives in eternity, if there is an eternity. You are not listening to the responses im giving you. SOMETHING CAN COME FROM NOTHING, it has been proven.
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Listen to the first minute of this...brilliant..
that video shows that he is absolutely spot on about religion but it also shows clearly, 100% grade A, money back guarantee that he does not know God.. not a single bit..
:)
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its relative, creation isnt inherently good. I dont know i geuss the people who commit suicide disagree with you. You have no idea if god acts in eternity, lives in eternity, if there is an eternity. You are not listening to the responses im giving you. SOMETHING CAN COME FROM NOTHING, it has been proven.
i was hoping you would bring that up. something comes from nothing? impossible. they may have thought that is what had happened, but whatever did happen is something can can be explained, just not in a way that we are aware of presently.
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its relative, creation isnt inherently good. I dont know i geuss the people who commit suicide disagree with you. You have no idea if god acts in eternity, lives in eternity, if there is an eternity. You are not listening to the responses im giving you. SOMETHING CAN COME FROM NOTHING, it has been proven.
there is no question to whether eternity exists. its like asking if yourself exists. self defeating question.
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At this point tbombz, your god is whatever you want him to be. Your mind is shut.
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Some idiots use to say - "there has never been any proof or evidence of a god being here or ever existing." You're the IDIOT, the cockrouch and no body in particular to dictate god the way he should behave i.e. show up so you would laugh at him.
Another morons use to say - "initially (during early times) the concept of god was created to explain natural phenomena like lightning, rain, thunderstorms, earthquakes, tornadoes, etc. that's all it ever was." OOO KEY! How do you explain people who suddenly died in their sleep from the earthquake what caused their sudden death?
Another clowns love to use the interesting words such as - atom!, energy!, universe, nuclear explosion!, scientific experiments!, string theory, quantum mechanics, nano tecknology! You name it! And it seems for them that they are almost grabbed God by balls. OOO KEY! Prove that GOD is not laughing at you.
And it's just a begining
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At this point tbombz, your god is whatever you want him to be. Your mind is shut.
do you not have a clear and distinct idea in your mind of an eternal, infinite, perfect, omniscient being? not whether you believe it exists, nor whether you can comprehend what it would mean to be that being.. but is the idea in your head ?
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do you not have a clear and distinct idea in your mind of an eternal, infinite, perfect, omniscient being? not whether you believe it exists, nor whether you can comprehend what it would mean to be that being.. but is the idea in your head ?
The idea in his head is that since he cannot feel the GOD's balls in his hands means that there is no god. It's just interesting to be proclaiming yourself an atheist because it's just fun, modern and interesting what happens and what's new the scientist discover. God is laughing at him and Jesus waiting for him. Tbombz you overcomplicate things but may be it an american thing
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The idea in his head is that since he cannot feel the GOD's balls in his hands means that there is no god. It's just interesting to be proclaiming yourself an atheist because it's just fun, modern and interesting what happens and what's new the scientist discover. God is laughing at him and Jesus waiting for him. Tbombz you overcomplicate things but may be it an american thing
1. Learn some English
2. What possible proof do you have that God exists other than fahith
3. How can you refute scientific advancements over the last 1000 years
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Some idiots use to say - "there has never been any proof or evidence of a god being here or ever existing." You're the IDIOT, the cockrouch and no body in particular to dictate god the way he should behave i.e. show up so you would laugh at him.
Another morons use to say - "initially (during early times) the concept of god was created to explain natural phenomena like lightning, rain, thunderstorms, earthquakes, tornadoes, etc. that's all it ever was." OOO KEY! How do you explain people who suddenly died in their sleep from the earthquake what caused their sudden death?
Another clowns love to use the interesting words such as - atom!, energy!, universe, nuclear explosion!, scientific experiments!, string theory, quantum mechanics, nano tecknology! You name it! And it seems for them that they are almost grabbed God by balls. OOO KEY! Prove that GOD is not laughing at you.
And it's just a begining
haha...wow...just wow...
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SOMETHING CAN COME FROM NOTHING, it has been proven.
Hi Necro! Do you have a link that discusses this that I could read please or if not just explain it?
Also, I'm not sure if you ever linked me to the proof of macro evolution or not..if you did I missed it..sorry..can you link me (again) please? Thanks!
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1. Learn some English
2. What possible proof do you have that God exists other than fahith
3. How can you refute scientific advancements over the last 1000 years
English will improve with time, as the chinese of yours. Do you need the proof, that I'm an athiest? 1 min a day I go and cry for fun - Where is the proof that fuckin God exists? In the realm of reason there can be no proof of God's existence!
Let's better put the scientific advancements in perspective! I think in 1000 years we will yet put the man on MARZ or even further! Too bad you will not see it my friend. It will be unfeasible, for the simple reason that you will be abiding for already hundred years now in places considerably more remote than Marz and to extract you from there is in no way possible, I assure you.
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English will improve with time, as the chinese of yours. Do you need the proof, that I'm an athiest? 1 min a day I go and cry for fun - Where is the proof that fuckin God exists? In the realm of reason there can be no proof of God's existence!
Let's better put the scientific advancements in perspective! I think in 1000 years we will yet put the man on MARZ or even further! Too bad you will not see it my friend. It will be unfeasible, for the simple reason that you will be abiding for already hundred years now in places considerably more remote than Marz and to extract you from there is in no way possible, I assure you.
It's not that god is beyond human comprehension It's your post's that are beyond human comprehension...
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It's not that god is beyond human comprehension It's your post's that are beyond human comprehension...
Back to school dawg
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Back to school dawg
god was created by the human mind...
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THIS is quote is SO Accurate about christianity :D
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1) The Bible is not even a credible source for good philosophy. If the Judeo-Christian God was real, our universe would be FUCKING SCARY because he did some shit in the Bible that was IN NO WAY benevolent, even reveling in the suffering of humans.
Need some sources? www(dot)evilbible(dot)com has countless quotes from the Bible which serve as evidence that the Bible's morals are not divine; they are outdated.
2) Christians look at science with hostility. That makes their judgment less accurate. I would go so far as to say that I don't know a single Christian who goes out of his way to better understand the nature of life and our universe. There is a certain kind of arrogant ignorance there which is mind-boggling.
3) Christians are assholes. Sure, there are those people out there who are completely devoid of humor and just live to be shining examples of human altruism (and they are crazy), but there are a lot more Christians out there who are socially lazy, so they join the Christian club, don't even really care what the message is, and they just go about their lives as though they aren't religious. They will cut in line at the bar, they will steal your seat when you leave the room, and they'll throw around prejudiced slurs behind others' backs.
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Hi Necro! Do you have a link that discusses this that I could read please or if not just explain it?
Also, I'm not sure if you ever linked me to the proof of macro evolution or not..if you did I missed it..sorry..can you link me (again) please? Thanks!
sure. i think the title of the thread is evidence for macroevolution on your board started by me. they also just found two new species of ape that are a progression from ape to humanoid.
the nothing to something is just from experiments on vaccums that illustrate that virtual particles pop into existence from nothing, that is they pop out of thin air it seems, a few theories have attempted to explain it.
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i was hoping you would bring that up. something comes from nothing? impossible. they may have thought that is what had happened, but whatever did happen is something can can be explained, just not in a way that we are aware of presently.
im not sure what your last sentence is saying, mind rephrasing that for me?
it doesnt matter if you dont believe it, it happens. Also, say i agree that something has always existed, energy fits that bill quite fine. Since it cannot be CREATED nor DESTROYED.
your need to put a creator there only complicates things.
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god was created by the human mind...
Your whole reality is created by the human mind. But don't mind it and even try. Fuck, drink, smoke and see how far the Hubble flying fuck can see, that's it. Jesus waits ya to judge ya.
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It's not that god is beyond human comprehension It's your post's that are beyond human comprehension...
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I didn't understand a single bit of his gibberish. He sounds like Kyomu on acid.
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Your whole reality is created by the human mind. But don't mind it and even try. Fuck, drink, smoke and see how far the Hubble flying fuck can see, that's it. Jesus waits ya to judge ya.
yea ok..
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yea ok..
Yea, I was gonna say more or less the same.. the only difference is I think he's snorting laundry detergent or some other household cleaner.
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Yea, I was gonna say more or less the same.. the only difference is I think he's snorting laundry detergent or some other household cleaner.
no doubt There's homeless crack heads that have more logic & reason in there pinkie finger than this wack job...
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Your whole reality is created by the human mind. But don't mind it and even try. Fuck, drink, smoke and see how far the Hubble flying fuck can see, that's it. Jesus waits ya to judge ya.
christians are the MOST hypocrite, double faced people I've ever seen.... killing in the name of peace is like fucking for virginity…. all you Christian freaks, I know something about the bible… and it’s disgusting :D… this is actually written in the book you so much swear by ::).
First... god creates heaven and earth from shere boredom... and darkness covered the deep water so god just said "let there be light" and there was. THEN ODDLY enough god goes to sepperate the light from the darkness and named the light "day" and the darkens "night. There was evening then morning on the first day even without the sun yet...
On the second day god added a horizon in the middle of the water separating the water above and below the horizon. God named what was above the horizon “sky”.
on the third day god separated the dry land and the seas, plants grew on the earth.
On the fourth day… even though there were plenty of light, god created the sun, moon and stars.. and when I say stars I’m talking about the BILLions of other suns and planets… somehow god was able to create all that in just one day.
On the fifth day god created all the creatures in the seas and the birds in the skies.
On the sixth day god created all the living creatures of the land.. even cockroaches, mosquitos and parasites for some reason.
Then for some reason god get this idea that it needs to create “man”, so god formed man out of dust from the ground… so after that god tells that he needs to “dress the garden” and to keep it.
Then he told Adam he can freely eat from any tree in the garden except from the tree of good and evil or else he will die, right.. why the fuck would god play such a horrid game anyway, rofl :D… then what the fuck, god requires adam to name every single living creature god created, hahaha :D
so….. then god creates eve from adams RIB and names the bitch fe-MALE, giving her already a bad attitude towards men… then god tells eve not to eat from the tree of good and evil or she will die, blablabla… then some talking snake tricks eve to eat from the tree… what a stupid bitch, how EASy was she… in the first day of her creation :D, lol… anyway she goes on to trick adam to eat an apple from the tree…
So, then god finds out.. and guess the punishment :D… God will multiply her pain and labor when she brings forth children, and her desire will be for her husband and he shall rule over her… Then for adam the punishment was that the ground is cursed and in sorrow he will eat from it to the end his life, and they both shall eat bread until they both go back to dust…
can you say OVER exaggerated punishment :D
Then talk about god of love… god is nothing but death punishments from cain and abel to the tower of babel… why did god have to mix every peoples language to confuse their communication? It’s not like the tower could actually “reach the heaven”, sheesh…
then the noah story… people have always been evil until noahs time, and god decides that peoples evil sins have risen above appropriate marginal and decides to kill people because they are evil…. after the flood god tells noah that god won’t kill people anymore because they are already evil…. first, killing because they are evil, then NOT kill them for the same reason…
great god :D
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embrace the evil, or be 100% good... don't be double faced...
don't preach about goodness if you are willing to talk shit behind peoples back, lust for other peoples girls/boyfriends and go to war in the name of good... that's being a hypocrite and just, plain evil...
it's time for you to realise that your idea's are not the true wonder of our existance... they are horrible... listen, if you want to have sex, kill, lust... do it with dignity, ok, do it with style, and enjoy it... but stop preacuing your double faced morals... nobody cares about them, so fuck off, thanks :D
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I didn't understand a single bit of his gibberish. He sounds like Kyomu on acid.
That's what ya'll be saying over there. I didn't understand anyting
ya smotriu ti pripuh durbalay amerikosovkiy, v tri sekundiu pizdiu poluchich,..... svoboden. J/k
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christians are the MOST hypocrite, double faced people I've ever seen.... killing in the name of peace is like fucking for virginity…. all you Christian freaks, I know something about the bible… and it’s disgusting :D… this is actually written in the book you so much swear by ::).
First... god creates heaven and earth from shere boredom... and darkness covered the deep water so god just said "let there be light" and there was. THEN ODDLY enough god goes to sepperate the light from the darkness and named the light "day" and the darkens "night. There was evening then morning on the first day even without the sun yet...
On the second day god added a horizon in the middle of the water separating the water above and below the horizon. God named what was above the horizon “sky”.
on the third day god separated the dry land and the seas, plants grew on the earth.
On the fourth day… even though there were plenty of light, god created the sun, moon and stars.. and when I say stars I’m talking about the BILLions of other suns and planets… somehow god was able to create all that in just one day.
On the fifth day god created all the creatures in the seas and the birds in the skies.
On the sixth day god created all the living creatures of the land.. even cockroaches, mosquitos and parasites for some reason.
Then for some reason god get this idea that it needs to create “man”, so god formed man out of dust from the ground… so after that god tells that he needs to “dress the garden” and to keep it.
Then he told Adam he can freely eat from any tree in the garden except from the tree of good and evil or else he will die, right.. why the fuck would god play such a horrid game anyway, rofl :D… then what the fuck, god requires adam to name every single living creature god created, hahaha :D
so….. then god creates eve from adams RIB and names the bitch fe-MALE, giving her already a bad attitude towards men… then god tells eve not to eat from the tree of good and evil or she will die, blablabla… then some talking snake tricks eve to eat from the tree… what a stupid bitch, how EASy was she… in the first day of her creation :D, lol… anyway she goes on to trick adam to eat an apple from the tree…
So, then god finds out.. and guess the punishment :D… God will multiply her pain and labor when she brings forth children, and her desire will be for her husband and he shall rule over her… Then for adam the punishment was that the ground is cursed and in sorrow he will eat from it to the end his life, and they both shall eat bread until they both go back to dust…
can you say OVER exaggerated punishment :D
Then talk about god of love… god is nothing but death punishments from cain and abel to the tower of babel… why did god have to mix every peoples language to confuse their communication? It’s not like the tower could actually “reach the heaven”, sheesh…
then the noah story… people have always been evil until noahs time, and god decides that peoples evil sins have risen above appropriate marginal and decides to kill people because they are evil…. after the flood god tells noah that god won’t kill people anymore because they are already evil…. first, killing because they are evil, then NOT kill them for the same reason…
great god :D
Hi clown! Cristians is just a brand name. Do you believe in God?
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believing in god is no longer relevant, tell me something about it :D... oh and, nice "ignoring" you got there, you are so benevolent ::)
forgot to say that... every deed you christians have done is for your selves... so when i do something, I do not do it because god wants me to kill for my brothers revenge, I do it because i fucking hate that dude who killed him, don't hat make more sense?
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That's what ya'll be saying over there. I didn't understand anyting
ya smotriu ti pripuh durbalay amerikosovkiy, v tri sekundiu pizdiu poluchich,..... svoboden. J/k
v tvoem sne.... pidoruga koncenaja.
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im not sure what your last sentence is saying, mind rephrasing that for me?
it doesnt matter if you dont believe it, it happens. Also, say i agree that something has always existed, energy fits that bill quite fine. Since it cannot be CREATED nor DESTROYED.
your need to put a creator there only complicates things.
without a creator it doesnt make any sense. :)
the last sentence of the quoted.. i was saying.. they might think somehting came form nothing, but whatever did happen there is completely explainable. we just cant explaine it presently.
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without a creator it doesnt make any sense. :)
the last sentence of the quoted.. i was saying.. they might think somehting came form nothing, but whatever did happen there is completely explainable. we just cant explaine it presently.
You believers always have a convenient loophole available for your shortcomings lack of any solid evidence or proof, if it's not in 'faith' then it's 'we just can't explain it with our limited human minds' bullshit, funny how science stands firm on solid ground with irefutable proof and evidence, not 'faith' and 'fantasy'
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you double faced people a.k.a christians can ignore my posts all you want.
the fact is I wrote it down to the line with the bullshit in that commercial book called bible... that shit reads in your book...
What can you even say to that...
I'm ammazed, that a religion that forbids everything considerred bad, you make up your own twisted versions of it and do the complete opposite in the name of good...
but hey, it makes the devil smile, the missunderstood identity you suckers so much try to ignore ::)
haha, too easy
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v tvoem sne.... pidoruga koncenaja.
Ti uzhe pokoinik. Lichno ot menya
Chelovek poteryavshiy sviaz' so svoey rodinoy ne imeet boga - Dostoevskiy
Ti znaesh' russkiy otvechaet za svoi bazl
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You believers always have a convenient loophole available for your shortcomings lack of any solid evidence or proof, if it's not in 'faith' then it's 'we just can't explain it with our limited human minds' bullshit, funny how science stands firm on solid ground with irefutable proof and evidence, not 'faith' and 'fantasy'
As I said, his mind is shut. It's kind of unsettling really, to witness the thought process of these people. Where does the irrationality end?
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You believers always have a convenient loophole available for your shortcomings lack of any solid evidence or proof, if it's not in 'faith' then it's 'we just can't explain it with our limited human minds' bullshit, funny how science stands firm on solid ground with irefutable proof and evidence, not 'faith' and 'fantasy'
Science can stand on whatever ground it wants, as well as I'm believer can be printed as the "scientist discovered" in the local paper. It's all brand names. You liked that thing about Dostoevskiy right???? I did not joke
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Science can stand on whatever ground it wants, as well as I'm believer can be printed as the "scientist discovered" in the local paper. It's all brand names. You liked that thing about Dostoevskiy right???? I did not joke
You're either a gimmick or smoking some highly potent crack. Pick one.
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christians are the MOST hypocrite, double faced people I've ever seen.... killing in the name of peace is like fucking for virginity…. all you Christian freaks, I know something about the bible… and it’s disgusting :D… this is actually written in the book you so much swear by ::).
First... god creates heaven and earth from shere boredom... and darkness covered the deep water so god just said "let there be light" and there was. THEN ODDLY enough god goes to sepperate the light from the darkness and named the light "day" and the darkens "night. There was evening then morning on the first day even without the sun yet...
On the second day god added a horizon in the middle of the water separating the water above and below the horizon. God named what was above the horizon “sky”.
on the third day god separated the dry land and the seas, plants grew on the earth.
On the fourth day… even though there were plenty of light, god created the sun, moon and stars.. and when I say stars I’m talking about the BILLions of other suns and planets… somehow god was able to create all that in just one day.
On the fifth day god created all the creatures in the seas and the birds in the skies.
On the sixth day god created all the living creatures of the land.. even cockroaches, mosquitos and parasites for some reason.
Then for some reason god get this idea that it needs to create “man”, so god formed man out of dust from the ground… so after that god tells that he needs to “dress the garden” and to keep it.
Then he told Adam he can freely eat from any tree in the garden except from the tree of good and evil or else he will die, right.. why the fuck would god play such a horrid game anyway, rofl :D… then what the fuck, god requires adam to name every single living creature god created, hahaha :D
so….. then god creates eve from adams RIB and names the bitch fe-MALE, giving her already a bad attitude towards men… then god tells eve not to eat from the tree of good and evil or she will die, blablabla… then some talking snake tricks eve to eat from the tree… what a stupid bitch, how EASy was she… in the first day of her creation :D, lol… anyway she goes on to trick adam to eat an apple from the tree…
So, then god finds out.. and guess the punishment :D… God will multiply her pain and labor when she brings forth children, and her desire will be for her husband and he shall rule over her… Then for adam the punishment was that the ground is cursed and in sorrow he will eat from it to the end his life, and they both shall eat bread until they both go back to dust…
can you say OVER exaggerated punishment :D
Then talk about god of love… god is nothing but death punishments from cain and abel to the tower of babel… why did god have to mix every peoples language to confuse their communication? It’s not like the tower could actually “reach the heaven”, sheesh…
then the noah story… people have always been evil until noahs time, and god decides that peoples evil sins have risen above appropriate marginal and decides to kill people because they are evil…. after the flood god tells noah that god won’t kill people anymore because they are already evil…. first, killing because they are evil, then NOT kill them for the same reason…
great god :D
good stuff...very good stuff
the thing that pisses me off the most is all the people i know and respect that are smart people, but when it comes
to "beliefs" they throw all knowledge out the window because mommy, daddy, and the neighbors believe in it, so it must be...
grandma and grandpa wouldn't lie to me ::) they didn't mean to lie, they were just ignorant, blind followers
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Ti uzhe pokoinik. Lichno ot menya
Chelovek poteryavshiy sviaz' so svoey rodinoy ne imeet boga - Dostoevskiy
Ti znaesh' russkiy otvechaet za svoi bazl
Пиздоглазое мудоёбище по батареям давно получал?
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christians are the MOST hypocrite, double faced people I've ever seen....
True.
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You're either a gimmick or smoking some highly potent crack. Pick one.
agreed...if he's not a gimmick then wow!?!...
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without a creator it doesnt make any sense. :)
the last sentence of the quoted.. i was saying.. they might think somehting came form nothing, but whatever did happen there is completely explainable. we just cant explaine it presently.
i couldnt disagree more, why does my example of energy not make sense?
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Пиздоглазое мудоёбище по батареям давно получал?
Ты вшивок русский не трогай. Ты себя за человека держишь, а ты существо - настоящий человек бога любит и признаёт. Безхребетник отсосный, жихтарить тебе не долго, шабер тебя ждёт.
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You believers always have a convenient loophole available for your shortcomings lack of any solid evidence or proof, if it's not in 'faith' then it's 'we just can't explain it with our limited human minds' bullshit, funny how science stands firm on solid ground with irefutable proof and evidence, not 'faith' and 'fantasy'
The problem with you is that you're trying to connect GOD with words faith and fantasy. IF not them then you're probably thinking which ones. I can continue on and on and on. You did understand eveything what I have said to you in russian so I'm done with you.
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christians are the MOST hypocrite, double faced people I've ever seen.... killing in the name of peace is like fucking for virginity…. all you Christian freaks, I know something about the bible… and it’s disgusting :D… this is actually written in the book you so much swear by ::).
First... god creates heaven and earth from shere boredom... and darkness covered the deep water so god just said "let there be light" and there was. THEN ODDLY enough god goes to sepperate the light from the darkness and named the light "day" and the darkens "night. There was evening then morning on the first day even without the sun yet...
On the second day god added a horizon in the middle of the water separating the water above and below the horizon. God named what was above the horizon “sky”.
on the third day god separated the dry land and the seas, plants grew on the earth.
On the fourth day… even though there were plenty of light, god created the sun, moon and stars.. and when I say stars I’m talking about the BILLions of other suns and planets… somehow god was able to create all that in just one day.
On the fifth day god created all the creatures in the seas and the birds in the skies.
On the sixth day god created all the living creatures of the land.. even cockroaches, mosquitos and parasites for some reason.
Then for some reason god get this idea that it needs to create “man”, so god formed man out of dust from the ground… so after that god tells that he needs to “dress the garden” and to keep it.
Then he told Adam he can freely eat from any tree in the garden except from the tree of good and evil or else he will die, right.. why the fuck would god play such a horrid game anyway, rofl :D… then what the fuck, god requires adam to name every single living creature god created, hahaha :D
so….. then god creates eve from adams RIB and names the bitch fe-MALE, giving her already a bad attitude towards men… then god tells eve not to eat from the tree of good and evil or she will die, blablabla… then some talking snake tricks eve to eat from the tree… what a stupid bitch, how EASy was she… in the first day of her creation :D, lol… anyway she goes on to trick adam to eat an apple from the tree…
So, then god finds out.. and guess the punishment :D… God will multiply her pain and labor when she brings forth children, and her desire will be for her husband and he shall rule over her… Then for adam the punishment was that the ground is cursed and in sorrow he will eat from it to the end his life, and they both shall eat bread until they both go back to dust…
can you say OVER exaggerated punishment :D
Then talk about god of love… god is nothing but death punishments from cain and abel to the tower of babel… why did god have to mix every peoples language to confuse their communication? It’s not like the tower could actually “reach the heaven”, sheesh…
then the noah story… people have always been evil until noahs time, and god decides that peoples evil sins have risen above appropriate marginal and decides to kill people because they are evil…. after the flood god tells noah that god won’t kill people anymore because they are already evil…. first, killing because they are evil, then NOT kill them for the same reason…
great god :D
Sounds like a story only a fool would read
(http://www.bollyn.com/public/Bush-reading-My-Pet-Goat.jpg)
Don't blame it on just Christianity though - other religions also have the same stupid ass story!
Its all a bunch of Mambo Jambo dude!
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Why are atheists so stupid? They may do believe in the ultimate creator in their heart, though they're living like this - They read all scientific juournals, kill no one, harm no one, raise 1- 2 kids but fucking yell at every corner that there is no god.
1) When GOD asks you why you were so double faced and caused trouble? What will you answer?
2) Didn't you know that animals and cockrouches don't believe and acknowledge GOD? Are you a cockrouch?
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On the sixth day god created all the living creatures of the land.. even cockroaches, mosquitos and parasites for some reason.
Then for some reason god get this idea that it needs to create “man”, so god formed man out of dust from the ground… so after that god tells that he needs to “dress the garden” and to keep it.
Then he told Adam he can freely eat from any tree in the garden except from the tree of good and evil or else he will die, right.. why the fuck would god play such a horrid game anyway, rofl :D… then what the fuck, god requires adam to name every single living creature god created, hahaha :D
so….. then god creates eve from adams RIB and names the bitch fe-MALE, giving her already a bad attitude towards men… then god tells eve not to eat from the tree of good and evil or she will die, blablabla… then some talking snake tricks eve to eat from the tree… what a stupid bitch, how EASy was she… in the first day of her creation :D, lol… anyway she goes on to trick adam to eat an apple from the tree…
So, then god finds out.. and guess the punishment :D… God will multiply her pain and labor when she brings forth children, and her desire will be for her husband and he shall rule over her… Then for adam the punishment was that the ground is cursed and in sorrow he will eat from it to the end his life, and they both shall eat bread until they both go back to dust…
can you say OVER exaggerated punishment :D
Then talk about god of love… god is nothing but death punishments from cain and abel to the tower of babel… why did god have to mix every peoples language to confuse their communication? It’s not like the tower could actually “reach the heaven”, sheesh…
then the noah story… people have always been evil until noahs time, and god decides that peoples evil sins have risen above appropriate marginal and decides to kill people because they are evil…. after the flood god tells noah that god won’t kill people anymore because they are already evil…. first, killing because they are evil, then NOT kill them for the same reason…
great god :D
There's where you're wrong mate.. :)
I'm not claiming that I know everything in the Bible (else I'll be God) but I have to disagree with what you're said..
God desires relationship.. The reason God put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is for obedience.. what is obedience if there is no free will? what is relationship if there is no choices to make?
In the beginning, the word God used when God created the Heaven and Earth in Hebrew is Elohim, which means God Creator.. when man was created, the name has changed from God to LORD, which means YahWeh in Hebrew and the word Yahweh is used for a intimacy between God and man.
Before God created Eve, He said it is not good for the man to be alone, thus He made Eve out of Adam's ribs so they are for each other.
Now God DID NOT instruct Eve about the Tree of Knowledge, which resulted the serpent (possessed by the Satan) to trick Eve into eating the apple.. The devil is cunning, like a gambler who knows how to play its cards well.. The devil used the commandment given by God and turned into something that managed to convinced both Adam and Eve that they are insignificant.. They wanted to be LIKE God, to have the knowledge like God thus they ate the tree.
It's interesting when they totally forgotten about the abundance of other trees in the Garden of Eden that God had given to Adam and Eve.. This is where the devil is good at.. The devil knows your weak points and he's going to bring up your weaknesses and made you focus on them.. not in the way to resolve it but to condemn..
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Why are atheists so stupid? They may do believe in the ultimate creator in their heart, though they're living like this - They read all scientific juournals, kill no one, harm no one, raise 1- 2 kids but fucking yell at every corner that there is no god.
1) When GOD asks you why you were so double faced and caused trouble? What will you answer?
2) Didn't you know that animals and cockrouches don't believe and acknowledge GOD? Are you a cockrouch?
No. But I'm human and I'm an animal like a cockroach or a monkey or a dog.
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sure. i think the title of the thread is evidence for macroevolution on your board started by me. they also just found two new species of ape that are a progression from ape to humanoid.
the nothing to something is just from experiments on vaccums that illustrate that virtual particles pop into existence from nothing, that is they pop out of thin air it seems, a few theories have attempted to explain it.
Haven't searched for the macro thread yet but for the something from nothing thing are you referencing the video YngiweRhoads posted on the Relig. Board?
Can you please answer my questions (here or there) regarding that vid? Thanks Necro!
OK I only watched a little more so far but here are some questions I have:
Early in that guy's talk, he says this about NOTHING:
"nothing is a boiling bubbling brew of virtual particles popping in and out of existence in a time-scale so short you can't see them."
"we can't measure virtual particles directly but we can measure their effects indirectly."
"nothing weighs something."
My question here is that how can he call the above nothing when it is something?
He also says:
"The universe is expanding"
"We know how many protons and neutrons are in the universe."
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He also talks about Hubble had inaccurate equipment which we based equations upon. He said now we have better equipment but indicated it's not perfect.
My question here is how can we assume that equations subsequentially based upon this information (which is not 100% accurate) are accurate?
Later he says nothing is: "zero total energy plus quantum fluctuations (can produce a universe)."
How can he call that "nothing?" ???
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Evolution doesn't stand a chance
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Haven't searched for the macro thread yet but for the something from nothing thing are you referencing the video YngiweRhoads posted on the Relig. Board?
Can you please answer my questions (here or there) regarding that vid? Thanks Necro!
This is in reference to nothing as described in quantum physics, and not the colloquial term nothing.
http://www.nanogallery.info/news/?id=8735&slid=news&type=anews
Something from nothing is a quantum possibility. Werner Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle opened the doors to overturning the law of energy conservation. Something from nothing is a quantum possibility
Is it ever possible to get something for nothing? The global wave of financial scandals has been widely seen as confirmation that “only nothing can come from nothing”, as the Greek philosopher Parmenides argued around 2,500 years ago and finger-wagging moralists have been telling us ever since.
Slackers everywhere should therefore take heart from the mounting evidence that Parmenides and his ilk could not have been more wrong. It is now becoming clear that everything can – and probably did – come from nothing.
Whenever some common-sense view of the nature of reality is challenged like this, you can bet quantum theory will be involved. And so it proves in this case, with two recent advances in the understanding of the subatomic world adding to the weight of evidence.
Unlike financial scam artists, physicists have been amassing evidence for their unlikely claim for decades, beginning with the discovery by a young German theoretician of a loophole in a supposedly inviolable law of nature.
As countless generations of schoolchildren are taught to parrot in class, the law of conservation of energy states that it cannot be created or destroyed, but merely transformed from one form to another.
In 1927, Dr Werner Heisenberg showed that the truth is rather more interesting in a paper that addressed a philosophical question: how do we know what reality is like? The answer seems obvious: by making observations. But Dr Heisenberg pointed out that the newly emerging quantum theory implied that the very act of observation affects whatever is being observed. That, in turn, means it is impossible to know with total precision what reality is actually like.
Dr Heisenberg went on to show that his now-celebrated Uncertainty Principle implies there is always some uncertainty about properties of any region of space – specifically, how much energy it contains over a given period. The “law” of energy conservation is thus merely a conceit, and one whose violation leads to some astonishing consequences – including support for the something-for-nothing view of reality.
Heisenberg’s principle implies, for example, that the very space around us is seething with subatomic particles, popping in and out of empty space. During their fleeting existence, these “vacuum particles” interact with each other, and turn the supposedly dull vacuum of space into the quantum vacuum – which astronomers now know is anything but dull. Observations suggest the expansion of the entire cosmos is being propelled by quantum vacuum energy, in the form of enigmatic “dark energy”.
Something for nothing can also be seen working its magic down at the other scale of things. In the late 1940s, the Dutch physicist Hendrik Casimir predicted that the quantum vacuum could generate a force-field between two flat plates of metal. This “Casimir Effect” again emerges literally out of nowhere, pushing the plates together.
The force is pretty feeble: between two book-sized plates separated by just a hair’s breadth, it is equivalent to barely the weight of the ink in this sentence’s full stop, and it was properly measured only in the mid-1990s. Even so, it’s enough to cause the components of delicate micro-mechanical devices to seize up.
Fortunately, back in the 1960s some Soviet theorists predicted that the quantum vacuum can be engineered so that the Casimir force becomes one of repulsion rather than attraction. And last week a team of scientists in the US reported in the journal Nature that they had confirmed the prediction in dramatic style, using the repulsive form of the force to levitate a gold-plated ball. OK, the ball was less than the size of a full stop, but that’s pretty impressive considering it was being held aloft by nothing but the energy of empty space.
Some theorists now think they can go even further, and use the physics of something for nothing to explain the origin of literally everything. They claim that the Big Bang from which the entire universe emerged was the result of convulsions in the quantum vacuum which took place around 14 billion years ago.
New theoretical work on the nature of matter suggests we may now have to regard even ourselves to be manifestations of the quantum vacuum.
All atoms are made up of electrons plus a far more massive central nucleus, made up of clusters of particles called quarks. It seems obvious that the mass of the nucleus must be the sum total of the masses of its quarks – but that reckons without the effect of the quantum vacuum. It turns out that the quarks account for only a tiny fraction of the total mass of a nucleus. By far the bulk comes from the subatomic “glue” that binds its quarks together. And this glue takes the form of vacuum particles flitting in and out of existence.
That at least is the theory. Confirming it requires some appallingly difficult calculations, involving all the different manifestations of quantum vacuum particles inside the nucleus – of which there are trillions. At the John von Neumann Institute for Computing in Jülich, Germany, Dr Stephan Dürr and colleagues have had a shot at doing this titanic calculation, using a computer capable of performing over 100 million million calculations a second.
After several months of number-crunching, the machine has now spat out its estimate for the mass of a hydrogen nucleus, and it is within 2 per cent of the value measured in the lab. In other words, virtually all the mass contained in atoms – and indeed us – appears to be nothing more than the evanescent energy of empty space.
It thus seems that much as we may like to distance ourselves from financial scam artists and get-rich-quick schemes, we are all living proof that it’s possible to get something for nothing.
Robert Matthews is Visiting Reader in Science at Aston University, Birmingham, England
Something from nothing is a quantum possibility. Werner Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle opened the doors to overturning the law of energy conservation.
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Evolution doesn't stand a chance
You're either joking or ignorant. Take your pick.
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No. But I'm human and I'm an animal like a cockroach or a monkey or a dog.
No. You're the God's creature. Would you love to have been treated like a dog or better yet a cock!roach? Yes or no?
Something from nothing? Not sounding scientific but I saw it in real life. Some student from europe inherited over billion euro, he didn't even sweat or worked hard for that fortune and didn't even give a damn untill he was told. Google it. Should we laugh or weep?
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i couldnt disagree more, why does my example of energy not make sense?
for one, energy can not be infinte it must have a start, or else it would never have been..
here is a proof:
This moment has a causal chain that extends back.
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It is impossible to have an infinite causal chain extending into he past. since infinite implicates there was never an "original" cause and thus with no original cause it would be impossible to have any causal chain at all.
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Causal chain's must be finite.
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there must be a supernatural first mover.
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There's where you're wrong mate.. :)
I'm not claiming that I know everything in the Bible (else I'll be God) but I have to disagree with what you're said..
God desires relationship.. The reason God put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is for obedience.. what is obedience if there is no free will? what is relationship if there is no choices to make?
In the beginning, the word God used when God created the Heaven and Earth in Hebrew is Elohim, which means God Creator.. when man was created, the name has changed from God to LORD, which means YahWeh in Hebrew and the word Yahweh is used for a intimacy between God and man.
Before God created Eve, He said it is not good for the man to be alone, thus He made Eve out of Adam's ribs so they are for each other.
Now God DID NOT instruct Eve about the Tree of Knowledge, which resulted the serpent (possessed by the Satan) to trick Eve into eating the apple.. The devil is cunning, like a gambler who knows how to play its cards well.. The devil used the commandment given by God and turned into something that managed to convinced both Adam and Eve that they are insignificant.. They wanted to be LIKE God, to have the knowledge like God thus they ate the tree.
It's interesting when they totally forgotten about the abundance of other trees in the Garden of Eden that God had given to Adam and Eve.. This is where the devil is good at.. The devil knows your weak points and he's going to bring up your weaknesses and made you focus on them.. not in the way to resolve it but to condemn..
yeah dude but it doesn't change the fact that the god you worship seems like the anunaki reptilian humanoid gangster or something... he doesn't live up to it's own rules basicly, god is a madman...
this is real love if there ever was something like it.. being in touch with your inner self
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there must be a supernatural first mover.
Poor conclusion based on zero evidence, and therefore merely an assumption or speculation. Due to the fact one does not yet know the details of first cause, if there indeed does necessarily need to be a first cause, doesn't mean that one can suppose a supernatural entity as prime mover without proof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument
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yeah dude but it doesn't change the fact that the god you worship seems like the anunaki reptilian humanoid gangster or something... he doesn't live up to it's own rules basicly, god is a madman...
this is real love if there ever was something like it.. being in touch with your inner self
The problem with your chicken intelligence is that no one worships god. You either acknoledge him or not. You're the cockroach and born clinical idiot to judge him. I say by fact and didn't men to offend you. being in touch with yourself is good but don't be ignorant fella.
There is a saying - God has endured (Jesus) and you endure. Do you get it mofo???
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The problem with your chicken intelligence is that no one worships god. You either acknoledge him or not. You're the cockroach and born clinical idiot to judge him. I say by fact and didn't men to offend you. being in touch with yourself is good but don't be ignorant fella.
There is a saying - God has endured (Jesus) and you endure. Do you get it mofo???
look who's talking about chicken intelligence here ::)... don't you have children to slaughter with H-bombs that were blessed by the holy water ::)
I'd rather think I'm a self awere thinker and capable of makeing a change within myself (which I have) than to think that I am in no control what I do ::)... your religion sayes it's evil :D
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The Big Bang theory states that it is the point in which all dimensions came into existence, the start of both space and time.[18] Then, the question "What was there before the Universe?" makes no sense; the concept of "before" becomes meaningless when considering a situation without time.
When humanity will finally reach the happiness, no time will ever be existing, because it wil not be needed. Very good thought. Where will they hide time? Nowhere. Time is not a subject, but an idea. Burn out in mind...
What a stupid guy you are!!!
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The Big Bang theory states that it is the point in which all dimensions came into existence, the start of both space and time.[18] Then, the question "What was there before the Universe?" makes no sense; the concept of "before" becomes meaningless when considering a situation without time.
When humanity will finally reach the happiness, no time will ever be existing, because it wil not be needed. Very good thought. Where will they hide time? Nowhere. Time is not a subject, but an idea. Burn out in mind...
What a stupid guy you are!!!
you are the grand moron deluxe, typical dellusional christian spewing shit again ::)
Just because I don't believe in your preposterously stupid religion and ideals doesn't mean I believe in another redicelous theory like the big bang... i don't believe in either one of those bullshit theory's... there are equal amount of holes in both theory's, thereof, left hand path is the best way
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Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be going to make a voodoo doll and inject a curse in your life ::), I'll be back...
Don't worry, I won't dissappear from this thread, I will eat you :D, hehe lolZ
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The Big Bang theory states that it is the point in which all dimensions came into existence, the start of both space and time.[18] Then, the question "What was there before the Universe?" makes no sense; the concept of "before" becomes meaningless when considering a situation without time.
Agree 100%.
When humanity will finally reach the happiness, no time will ever be existing, because it wil not be needed. Very good thought. Where will they hide time? Nowhere. Time is not a subject, but an idea. Burn out in mind...
Metaphysical tripe.
What a stupid guy you are!!!
Why resort to ad hominem statements in every post you make?
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look who's talking about chicken intelligence here ::)... don't you have children to slaughter with H-bombs that were blessed by the holy water ::)
I'd rather think I'm a self awere thinker and capable of makeing a change within myself (which I have) than to think that I am in no control what I do ::)... your religion sayes it's evil :D
You aren't of no in control of anything, people suddenly die and don't live up to their plans, happens a lot. Be careful my friend
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Spanish inquisition anyone....? How's that for the work of organized religion?
Let's see:
Spanish inquisition(1478 - 1834): hundreds killed over a period of 356 years
Crusades(1095 - 1291): thousands killed over a period of 200 years
Modern day atheists:
Mao Zedong (1958 - 1960): 43 million murdered
- Peng Xizhe (彭希哲), "Demographic Consequences of the Great Leap Forward in China's Provinces," Population and Development Review 13, no. 4 (1987), 639-70.
Joseph Stalin (1937 -1938): 1.2 million murdered
- Soviet Repression Statistics: Some Comments by Historian Michael Ellman, 2002
Pol Pot (1975 -1979): 1.7 million murdered
- Sophal Ear (May 1995). The Khmer Rouge Canon 1975-1979: The Standard Total Academic View on Cambodia. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.In Chapter 1: Introduction
- The Cambodian Genocide Program. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.
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Agree 100%.
Metaphysical tripe.
Why resort to ad hominem statements in every post you make?
Try to say a bit more of metaphysical tripe
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You aren't of no in control of anything, people suddenly die and don't live up to their plans, happens a lot. Be careful my friend
ofcourse I'm not in full control, but it's not "god's" wish that something happends either, makes NO sense what so ever.
you didn't comment on my statement to your redicelous assumption of my beliefs on the big bang theory, mr.run away ::)
you're a complete moron dude, you don't want to discuss about the two faced morals of your religion, about your "fucking in the name of virginity" hypocrisy ::), which you people are, all of you.
the only men I ever read about about being the closest of being good was gandhi and buddha... but you... your religious whores... you're definetely not, you could as well join a fine luciferian ceremony :)
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ofcourse I'm not in full control, but it's not "god's" wish that something happends either, makes NO sense what so ever.
you didn't comment on my statement to your redicelous assumption of my beliefs on the big bang theory, mr.run away ::)
you're a complete moron dude, you don't want to discuss about the two faced morals of your religion, about your "fucking in the name of virginity" hypocrisy ::), which you people are, all of you.
the only men I ever read about about being the closest of being good was gandhi and buddha... but you... your religious whores... you're definetely not, you could as well join a fine luciferian ceremony :)
Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Leo Tolstoy and Jesus
Leo Tolstoy, Lev Tolstoy, or Count Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy (September 9 1828 – November 20 1910) was a Russian writer widely regarded as one of the greatest of all novelists. His masterpieces War and Peace and Anna Karenina stand, in their scope, breadth and vivid depiction of 19th-century Russian life, at the very peak of realist fiction.
Tolstoy's further talents as essayist, dramatist and educational reformer made him the most influential member of the aristocratic Tolstoy family. His literal interpretation of the ethical teachings of Jesus, centering on the Sermon on the Mount, caused him in later life to become a fervent Christian anarchist and pacifist. His ideas on nonviolent resistance, expressed in such works as The Kingdom of God is Within You, were to have a profound impact on such pivotal twentieth-century figures as Gandhi[1] and Martin Luther King, Jr.
Pacifism
A letter Tolstoy wrote in 1908 to an Indian newspaper entitled "Letter to a Hindu" resulted in intense correspondence with Mohandas Gandhi, who was in South Africa at the time and was beginning to become an activist. Reading "The Kingdom of God is Within You" made a strong impression on Gandhi in terms of his public commitment to nonviolent resistance, a debt Gandhi acknowledged in his autobiography, calling Tolstoy "the greatest apostle of non-violence that the present age has produced". The correspondence between Tolstoy and Gandhi would only last a year, from October 1909 until Tolstoy's death in November 1910, but led Gandhi to give the name the Tolstoy Colony to his second ashram in South Africa. Besides non-violent resistance, the two men shared a common belief in the merits of vegetarianism, the subject of several of Tolstoy's essays (see Christian vegetarianism).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy#Pacifism
1. Martin E. Hellman, Resist Not Evil in World Without Violence(Arun Gandhi ed.), M.K. Gandhi Institute, 1994, retrieved on 14 December 2006] http://www-ee.stanford.edu/~hellman/opinion/Resist_Not.html
Leo Tolstoy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy
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Poor conclusion based on zero evidence, and therefore merely an assumption or speculation. Due to the fact one does not yet know the details of first cause, if there indeed does necessarily need to be a first cause, doesn't mean that one can suppose a supernatural entity as prime mover without proof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument
it is impossible in the natural world for causal chains to extend infinitely into the past.
infinite is inapplicable in the reverse direction because it implies there was no cause to cause the first cause. :)
therefore all causal chains in the natural world are finite.
but every natural causal chain must have an origin. it cant be a natural origin, as that would imply infinite regress in the natural world, which we know is impossible. so it must be SUPERnatural.
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I have no problem with the concept of eternal existence of the cosmos. Although I would prefer to romanticise with the supernatural.
Law of conservation of energy.
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For the impotent scientists
So it basically says - there was nothing before a Big Bang because there was no time. OOO KEY so it basically means there was no creator. OOO KEY so it basically means there is no God. OOO KEY if there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? Man governs it himself! OOO KEY but in order to govern, one needs, after all, to have a precise plan for certain, at least somewhat decent, length of time, how man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - well, say, a thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow? Man is mortal but that would be only half the trouble. The worst of it is that he's sometimes unexpectedly mortal - there's the trick! And generally he's unable to say what he's going to do this same evening.
Now give it another try and prove it that this -
When humanity will finally reach the happiness, no time will ever be existing, because it wil not be needed. Very good thought. Where will they hide time? Nowhere. Time is not a subject, but an idea. Burn out in mind...
is a Metaphysical tripe.
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For the impotent scientists
So it basically says - there was nothing before a Big Bang because there was no time. OOO KEY so it basically means there was no creator. OOO KEY so it basically means there is no God. OOO KEY if there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? Man governs it himself! OOO KEY but in order to govern, one needs, after all, to have a precise plan for certain, at least somewhat decent, length of time, how man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - well, say, a thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow? Man is mortal but that would be only half the trouble. The worst
of it is that he's sometimes unexpectedly mortal - there's the trick! And generally he's unable to say what he's going to do this same evening.
Now give it another try and prove it that this -
When humanity will finally reach the happiness, no time will ever be existing, because it wil not be needed. Very good thought. Where will they hide time? Nowhere. Time is not a subject, but an idea. Burn out in mind...
is a Metaphysical tripe. I will not reposnd to your gibberish in a week so you have a lot of time
What governs us is the animalistic need to survive and reproduce...
You may try to find meaning in the verses of the bible or the diatribe of a man on a Sunday discourse. However meaning should come from within... biologically meaning is to survive and to survive once you die is to have reproduced.
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What governs us is the animalistic need to survive and reproduce...
You may try to find meaning in the verses of the bible or the diatribe of a man on a Sunday discourse. However meaning should come from within... biologically meaning is to survive and to survive once you die is to have reproduced.
IF it were a complete true people wouldn't kill another people. It's much more complicated no?
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I have no problem with the concept of eternal existence of the cosmos. Although I would prefer to romanticise with the supernatural.
Law of conservation of energy.
first of all 100% of educated cosmological physicists believe that the "cosmos" were created during one single happening: the big bang. and observation of the universe does implicate that everything within our universe did come from one point in space and one point in time.
NATURAL causal chains have to be finite. only something supernatural can be infinite.
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For the impotent scientists
So it basically says - there was nothing before a Big Bang because there was no time.
lol
if there ever was a time with no time, there there would have never been any time at all.
existence implies eternity, and that can only be supernatural
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IF it were a complete true people wouldn't kill another people. It's much more complicated no?
You are sort of supporting the atheistic argument... :D
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time is infinite
which is pretty cool imo ;D
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time is infinite
which is pretty cool imo ;D
great
your one step ahead of steven hawking and the rest of the scientists who believe in the big bang theory as the creation of space, time, and matter.
steven hawking : "to ask what was before the big bang is to ask what is north of the north pole"
does that make sense?
the big bang theory does make sense, it makes perfect sense :) BUT the idea that a massive force explosion happened with no cause and "in" a totally non existent "place"... makes ZERO sense
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Let's see:
Spanish inquisition(1478 - 1834): hundreds killed over a period of 356 years
Crusades(1095 - 1291): thousands killed over a period of 200 years
Modern day atheists:
Mao Zedong (1958 - 1960): 43 million murdered
- Peng Xizhe (彭希哲), "Demographic Consequences of the Great Leap Forward in China's Provinces," Population and Development Review 13, no. 4 (1987), 639-70.
Joseph Stalin (1937 -1938): 1.2 million murdered
- Soviet Repression Statistics: Some Comments by Historian Michael Ellman, 2002
Pol Pot (1975 -1979): 1.7 million murdered
- Sophal Ear (May 1995). The Khmer Rouge Canon 1975-1979: The Standard Total Academic View on Cambodia. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.In Chapter 1: Introduction
- The Cambodian Genocide Program. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.
Not gonna go into a lengthy argument about those happenings but one fact I find interesting is that over half of the Waffen SS were confirmed christians. A majority of the russian people in the 20th century were orthodox christians. Hitler and Stalin may have given the orders but religious people had no trouble whatsoever obeying them.
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BUT the idea that a massive force explosion happened with no cause and "in" a totally non existent "place"... makes ZERO sense
There is empirical evidence of uncaused events. Why should the Big Bang be any different? Assuming the current model is correct?
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lol
if there ever was a time with no time, there there would have never been any time at all.
existence implies eternity, and that can only be supernatural
tbombz
Time is just an idea as been said. You think you have time to live up to your dreams or plans but God takes ya. You wanna make God laugh, share your plans with him.
tbombs how many times you said finite and infinite words through the thread lol Give five
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There is empirical evidence of uncaused events. Why should the Big Bang be any different? Assuming the current model is correct?
there is zero evidence of uncaused events!!! only experiences with an experiencer who does not know the explanation of the experience. :)
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there is zero evidence of uncaused events!!! only experiences with an experiencer who does not know the explanation of the experience. :)
There's also ZERO evidence for your god. Don't you have any shame?
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There's also ZERO evidence for your god. Don't you have any shame?
there is common sense and rational thought that indicate God. there is also a ton of good logical arguments that support God, but just that none of them doing it conclusively. ive given many of them in this thread.
your avoidance of God because of lack of proof and attachment to only science is kind of paradoxical.
do you understand that there is no form of logic that can conclusively prove any type of scientific proposition?
absolutely nothing you ever say can be proved conclusively true, unless what you said was circular or self evident.
and isnt it funny that God is self evident.. thus, the only thing that can be conclusively proved, is God (also trivial, self evident things like "a red car is red".. or "a triangle has three side"..
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Let's see:
Spanish inquisition(1478 - 1834): hundreds killed over a period of 356 years
Crusades(1095 - 1291): thousands killed over a period of 200 years
Modern day atheists:
Mao Zedong (1958 - 1960): 43 million murdered
- Peng Xizhe (彭希哲), "Demographic Consequences of the Great Leap Forward in China's Provinces," Population and Development Review 13, no. 4 (1987), 639-70.
Joseph Stalin (1937 -1938): 1.2 million murdered
- Soviet Repression Statistics: Some Comments by Historian Michael Ellman, 2002
Pol Pot (1975 -1979): 1.7 million murdered
- Sophal Ear (May 1995). The Khmer Rouge Canon 1975-1979: The Standard Total Academic View on Cambodia. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.In Chapter 1: Introduction
- The Cambodian Genocide Program. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.
Not gonna go into a lengthy argument about those happenings but one fact I find interesting is that over half of the Waffen SS were confirmed christians. A majority of the russian people in the 20th century were orthodox christians. Hitler and Stalin may have given the orders but religious people had no trouble whatsoever obeying them.
So half of the SS were confirmed Christians? Got any references to reputable sources to back up your bold claim?
Stalin had his atheist followers murder hundreds of thousands of Christians and other religious people.
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there is common sense and rational thought that indicate God. there is also a ton of good logical arguments that support God, but just that none of them doing it conclusively. ive given many of them in this thread.
your avoidance of God because of lack of proof and attachment to only science is kind of paradoxical.
do you understand that there is no form of logic that can conclusively prove any type of scientific proposition?
absolutely nothing you ever say can be proved conclusively true, unless what you said was circular or self evident.
and isnt it funny that God is self evident.. thus, the only thing that can be conclusively proved, is God (also trivial, self evident things like "a red car is red".. or "a triangle has three side"..
We do know that complicated things have a simple and uncomplicated origin. You're putting the most complicated thing imaginable(creating/ruling deity) before the simplest(big bang). You have absolutely zero evidence for this and no thought experiments is going to make up for it. You're making up your reality, not observing it.
NO ONE knows what happened prior to the big bang. But you are actually claiming you do because it makes "sense" to you. Gee wiz get Stephen Hawking on the phone, you could be famous for solving something that's been pestering the human mind since we became a species.
You believe in a God(not just any god, but an omni-potent one) because you want to, simple as that. Your parents are most likely christians, am I right?
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the logic behind why you can never be certain about anything
All B's have been C
A is a B
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does not prove that A is C
and you can never say that B is C, all you can say is that everytime youve exerpienced B it was also C.
There is no guarantee the future will resemble the past.
You can only accept the truth of something that is inherently true, things that contain definitions that when related are circular or self evident.
otherwise, you can only accept a probability of truth.
on probability:
what are the chances of this earth attaining the correct conditions for life to evolve?
i believe the odds were something like 60 billion to one.
have you had 60 billion experiences? but you believe in things based on much less experience.
why believe in a science that has less probability of truth than the God you deny?
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We do know that complicated things have a simple and uncomplicated origin. You're putting the most complicated thing imaginable(creating/ruling deity) before the simplest(big bang). You have absolutely zero evidence for this and no thought experiments is going to make up for it. You're making up your reality, not observing it.
NO ONE knows what happened prior to the big bang. But you are actually claiming you do because it makes "sense" to you. Gee wiz get Stephen Hawking on the phone, you could be famous for solving something that's been pestering the human mind since we became a species.
You believe in a God(not just any god, but an omni-potent one) because you want to, simple as that. Your parents are most likely christians, am I right?
we know that the physical things withini our observable universe came from an origin, and that existence within our universe tends to get more complex.
we also know that everything must have a cause.
to deny it is extremely counterintuitive and against the BASIC PRINCIPLES OF PHYSICS.
I put a necessary supernatural cause to existence, then correctly identify it as God.
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So half of the SS were confirmed Christians? Got any references to reputable sources to back up your bold claim?
Stalin had his atheist followers murder hundreds of thousands of Christians and other religious people.
Uhm yeah, it's pretty well known that a lot of SS soldiers were religious. Later in the war a lot of muslims were allowed to join as well. I do not have the source right now to back up the "half of the SS were _confirmed_ christians" claim (read it in a book a while ago) but I did stumble upon this with a quick google search: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=4732 (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=4732)
"There was provision for “Religion’ in the Waffen SS Soldbuch, the choices being Katholic, Lutheran,or, vastly more preferable from a Nazi point of view, “Gottglaubekeit”, that is a belief in God without any allegiance to any established church.
Himmler “virulently anti-church (Theodore Eicke was even more so), even though he adopted many practical Jesuit principles in the organization and creed of the SS, to such an extent that Hitler called him ‘my Ignatious Loyala’ after the founder of the society of Jesus. This anti-Christian campaign was never even nearly wholly successful and almost half the men in the original Waffen SS regiments remained churchgoers despite peer criticism and insult (the figure was only 31 per cent in the Totenkopfverbande)” OSPREY WARRIOR SERIES, WAFFEN SS SOLDIER
Bruce Quarrie & Jeffrey Burn "
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And oh, it's also pretty well known that a big part of the catholic church were supportive of Hitler's agenda until to the point they started looking like total assbags(ie end of the war).
Catholics have always had a thing with jews, dunno why :D
Even more fascinating is that in the early to mid thirties there was actually a decent amount of german jewish organizations that supported the Nazis. Go figure.
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on probability:
what are the chances of this earth attaining the correct conditions for life to evolve?
i believe the odds were something like 60 billion to one.
have you had 60 billion experiences? but you believe in things based on much less experience.
why believe in a science that has less probability of truth than the God you deny?
OK, your argument has major flaws. I'll give you a chance to figure out why that is.
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Uhm yeah, it's pretty well known that a lot of SS soldiers were religious. Later in the war a lot of muslims were allowed to join as well. I do not have the source right now to back up the "half of the SS were _confirmed_ christians" claim (read it in a book a while ago) but I did stumble upon this with a quick google search: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=4732 (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=4732)
"There was provision for “Religion’ in the Waffen SS Soldbuch, the choices being Katholic, Lutheran,or, vastly more preferable from a Nazi point of view, “Gottglaubekeit”, that is a belief in God without any allegiance to any established church.
Himmler “virulently anti-church (Theodore Eicke was even more so), even though he adopted many practical Jesuit principles in the organization and creed of the SS, to such an extent that Hitler called him ‘my Ignatious Loyala’ after the founder of the society of Jesus. This anti-Christian campaign was never even nearly wholly successful and almost half the men in the original Waffen SS regiments remained churchgoers despite peer criticism and insult (the figure was only 31 per cent in the Totenkopfverbande)” OSPREY WARRIOR SERIES, WAFFEN SS SOLDIER
Bruce Quarrie & Jeffrey Burn "
The reason I did not include Hitler and the rest of the Nazis in my list of murderous atheists is exactly because there has always been debate on whether or not they were religious. Some people argue they were, while others argue that they were not. When a historical figure is evil, neither the theists nor the atheists want to claim him/her.
So what about the millions murdered by Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot? These guys are confirmed atheists.
My point is not that atheists are evil. I was simply responding to those who like to bring up the Spanish inquisition and the Crusades within 2 seconds of every mention of religion. But those same people either don't know or conveniently fail to mention the millions murdered by modern day atheists such as the ones I just mentioned.
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The reason I did not include Hitler and the rest of the Nazis in my list of murderous atheists is exactly because there has always been debate on whether or not they were religious. Some people argue they were, while others argue that they were not. When a historical figure is evil, neither the theists nor the atheists want to claim him/her.
So what about the millions murdered by Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot? These guys are confirmed atheists.
My point is not that atheists are evil. I was simply responding to those who like to bring up the Spanish inquisition and the Crusades within 2 seconds of every mention of religion. But those same people either don't know or conveniently fail to mention the millions murdered by modern day atheists such as the ones I just mentioned.
Well I guess we share the same point of view then. People will always be capable of doing fucked up shit, religion or not. But I do think religion/worship has a tendency to bring out the worst in some people...
What's interesting about the communist killings is that the ideology itself became a religion. In early 20th century Russia the Tsar was still holy and almost deity like. You could compare it to that of a Roman Empire Ceasar. The word Tsar does actually imply an eastern block Ceasar. Stalin was smart enough to fill up that spot that the Russian people were so used to obey/worship. He did to a certain degree effectively replace the orthodox church with communism. It all appealed to the same irrationality in the Russian people. It was both a ideological motivator and a veil in front of their eyes. So the religion was indeed a tool in his terror.
But to blame it all on Stalin is somewhat incorrect. It was Stalin and his cabinet that fueled the terror machine, not Stalin alone.
Mao and Pol Pot I'll let someone else answer. But I'll refer to my first argument above.
But I do agree that the crusade and inquisition arguments are pretty lame at this point. The religious terror in those times stretched far beyond that.
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time is infinite
which is pretty cool imo ;D
INFINITE REFERS TO SIZE
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great
your one step ahead of steven hawking and the rest of the scientists who believe in the big bang theory as the creation of space, time, and matter.
steven hawking : "to ask what was before the big bang is to ask what is north of the north pole"
does that make sense?
the big bang theory does make sense, it makes perfect sense :) BUT the idea that a massive force explosion happened with no cause and "in" a totally non existent "place"... makes ZERO sense
its wasnt an explosion, all the energy contained in the universe was at the singularity, the expansion of the universe happened for some reason, however, an actual singularity probably does not exist, it is a failure of our mathematics. You are saying everything needs a cause, then saying god doesnt, hawking is making perfect sense with his statment.
Energy can not be created, eternal, nor destroyed, eternal. The big bang supports this.
Also, not all cosmologists agree thats not a factual statement to say the least. The fact that you called it an explosion makes me question how much you have read on the topic.
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the logic behind why you can never be certain about anything
All B's have been C
A is a B
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does not prove that A is C
and you can never say that B is C, all you can say is that everytime youve exerpienced B it was also C.
There is no guarantee the future will resemble the past.
You can only accept the truth of something that is inherently true, things that contain definitions that when related are circular or self evident.
otherwise, you can only accept a probability of truth.
on probability:
what are the chances of this earth attaining the correct conditions for life to evolve?
i believe the odds were something like 60 billion to one.
have you had 60 billion experiences? but you believe in things based on much less experience.
why believe in a science that has less probability of truth than the God you deny?
your stats are atrocious, the fact that we are hear make the probability 100%, perhaps there is no other way for the universe to be configured, you are assuming all other possibilities and then stacking the deck against life. The anthropomorphic argument, weak or strong sucks, its a tautology and doesn't answer anything.
This is your argument. Before the simplest thing ever, there was the most complex thing there could ever be, why? no reason, it just was. Then he creates the simplest thing which slowly progresses over billions of years to higher and higher complexity, which will eventually end in heat death killing everything.
it is not self evident that complex begets simple, in fact it is the other way around, things start simple then get complex. Again another proof against god.
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your stats are atrocious, the fact that we are hear make the probability 100%, perhaps there is no other way for the universe to be configured, you are assuming all other possibilities and then stacking the deck against life. The anthropomorphic argument, weak or strong sucks, its a tautology and doesn't answer anything.
This is your argument. Before the simplest thing ever, there was the most complex thing there could ever be, why? no reason, it just was. Then he creates the simplest thing which slowly progresses over billions of years to higher and higher complexity, which will eventually end in heat death killing everything.
it is not self evident that complex begets simple, in fact it is the other way around, things start simple then get complex. Again another proof against god.
very very good post....will fly right over there head...but non the less good post...
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the concept of Time is a human creation, time is relative (and has not been proven to exist)
this is a great site regarding all things time (the three major theories - Einstein, Bohr and Heisenberg)
http://www.tardyon.de/time.htm
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there is zero evidence of uncaused events!!!
Discarding the evidence for radioactive decay, quantum field fluctuations and virtual particles is being intellectually dishonest.
Lack of understanding is no basis for the existence of a deity.
http://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=287
I see you also like the cosmological argument, the unmoved mover concept and have some knowledge of first year philosophy.
Here's a more suitable site to argue philosophic ideas ---> http://forums.philosophyforums.com/philosophy-of-religion/
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It's funny when believers claim 'faith' is the solution for everything (lack of evidence of their god, etc.) and that atheists and non believers are just blind and lack faith and devotion... so because I'm a rational, logical, educated well thinking adult that doesn't believe in imaginary friends in the sky I am somehow the one in the wrong ?!? LOL
god = imaginary friend for adults <---- read this somewhere once, never forgot it.
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The real God can be found by studying Astronomy and Theoretical Physics, and dropping acid.
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The real God can be found by studying Astronomy Cosmology and Theoretical Physics, and dropping acid.
Fixed and agreed. ;D
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I am somehow the one in the wrong ?!?
My family is still at odds with me due to the fact I do not share their theistic beliefs. >:(
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My family is still at odds with me due to the fact I do not share their theistic beliefs. >:(
I'm in the same boat, sigh... both my parents have two degrees each, extremely well educated come from aristocratic families and they still hang on to their outdated christian beliefs..
I stopped believing in fairy tales and imaginary people when I was 6
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I myself am a proud Roman Catholic and all my close friends believe in God in some capacity
I'm a pretty easy-going guy with a lot of tolerance for other people's beliefs but bashing religion and belittling those who have faith in a higher power is pretty pathetic
have a pleasant Easter weekend
so you support child molestation by priests... Because your Church encourages and protects this behavior.
You are one SICK FUCK
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Now Necrisis and YngiweRhoads can you explain us in a scientific language. My friend has suddenly died, he's had a lot of plans, forever young. I would love to speak with him and extract him from the place where he abides since his sudden death. Plus I would like to extract Einstein. IS that any way possible? I need a solid scientific proof what is beyond, not from the guy who is still alive.
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only a f@ggy, herd following liberal would think that the height of intellect is to rip only on Christianity......
way to be a mindless insect, you parents must be proud
the jewish controlled media told you to hate the religion of your forefathers.......and you did; like a lobotomized cow.
thats just how sheep-le like you are.....you conform to whatever the pictures and words on the screen of the picturebox tell you to
you have the power to help humanity_right now_today............... put a gun in your mouth, and kill yourself
sheep
Haha owned and bitch slapped.
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both my parents have two degrees each, extremely well educated come from aristocratic families and they still hang on to their outdated christian beliefs..
And raised up such an idiot
Irony rofl
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Fuck Big Bang theory. Fuck it! All scientific advansments, knowledge, gather all scientists together plus Hubble telescope and get back Enistein for me. I need to know what is beyond. He's been abiding over there since 1955, so he knows his shit. Let him tell us that there is no GOD and where exactly he abides hell or paradise.
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your stats are atrocious, the fact that we are hear make the probability 100%, perhaps there is no other way for the universe to be configured, you are assuming all other possibilities and then stacking the deck against life. The anthropomorphic argument, weak or strong sucks, its a tautology and doesn't answer anything.
This is your argument. Before the simplest thing ever, there was the most complex thing there could ever be, why? no reason, it just was. Then he creates the simplest thing which slowly progresses over billions of years to higher and higher complexity, which will eventually end in heat death killing everything.
it is not self evident that complex begets simple, in fact it is the other way around, things start simple then get complex. Again another proof against god.
Hey buddy. I see you love to sound scientific and smart but you know it doesn't prove anything. Can you kill yourself and see how Enstein is doing, where he abides hell or paradise or it's just a lights out. Get Back!
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What governs us is the animalistic need to survive and reproduce...
You may try to find meaning in the verses of the bible or the diatribe of a man on a Sunday discourse. However meaning should come from within... biologically meaning is to survive and to survive once you die is to have reproduced.
yeah... people seek "meaning" to everything and when there's no meaning they try to see it anyway even if it isn't there... what's so scary about being alone, rofl !
religious people have no sense... they are crazy and irrelevant, and even the jews know deep inside that the "god" they worship is lucifer itself, many real jews know this. and that's the only good thing about it 8)
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Religeous logic; the public needs to be kept in fear. If there are not enough existing fears, more must be condocted. The permise is that everybody is afraid of something. Discover that fear, play upon it, and enslave.
In a word of questionable identities, loss of identity equates to fear of rejection. Among herd animals, being banished from the herd is disastrous. Man is by his proven nature a herd animal. The price of noncomformity has always been high.
Understandably, those who espouse "freedom from fear" the most are those who provide a convenient enemy - one who must be vanquished and is ravening to take away their freedom. There can be no "freedom" unless some tyranny is provided to defend against. That's why villains are in constant demand.
Such good people ::)... I think that religeous people are better off dead.. I'd see my grandmother die from a bullet if it means all religion would get burnt down.
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Hossein Rezazadeh is a muslim, Fedor Emilianenko is a orthodox christianin, they acknoledge and love God. It's you're being irrelevent with your kindergarten giberish. Ignored.
To become relevant get back Enstein
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Hossein Rezazadeh is a muslim, Fedor Emilianenko is a orthodox christianin, they acknoledge and love God. It's you're being irrelevent with your kindergarten giberish. Ignored.
To become relevant get back Enstein
A christian response by the book :D
I'm glad you read the above post by me, however, your christian coward ways to try ignore good arguments with something like; "Oh yeah? your favorite athletes are god fearing, batman believes it too so it's cool.." only thickens the fact for everyone that you make NO Sense and you are insane :D
you people are so easy :P
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The religious people fear nothing, there is the trick
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The religious people fear nothing, there is the trick
hehehe.... hehahHAhahah...... HAAAAA-HAHAHAHahhahahaha.... shieeet :D
there's another trick, while the religious warmongers goes out killing other religious warmongers in the name of peace and good while having unlimited fund by the luciferian elite group of leaders, the religious children are scared to death because you sick whores think that molesting very young virgin kids will grand you iternal health and deciase free life :-X... your whole life, and other peoples lives are led by fear by religion and that's a fact.
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speaking of christianity, i have a question about born again christians 1) how is it ( i know of a person who is a so called "born again" christian) that this born again christian i know has friends that don't not only follow his beliefs and the way he supposedly lives his life but do stuff that i know are blatantly against what his GOD and the bible says.
can and should a born again christian have friends with people who are the polar opposite in beliefs and the way they live their lives? does this make this born again christian a big ole hypocrite?
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speaking of christianity, i have a question about born again christians 1) how is it ( i know of a person who is a so called "born again" christian) that this born again christian i know has friends that don't not only follow his beliefs and the way he supposedly lives his life but do stuff that i know are blatantly against what his GOD and the bible says.
can and should a born again christian have friends with people who are the polar opposite in beliefs and the way they live their lives? does this make this born again christian a big ole hypocrite?
Let me answer that for these children of the god;
Ofcourse it doesn't, if he has found god he isn't lost, and god shall be his shepherd and he won't get lost in his path just because his friends doesn't believe in it. Ofcourse if he gets confused and starts to think for himself by himself and starts to question things and have valid arguments against religion then OFCOURSE he shouldn't have that kind of friends.
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How do christians explain that humans can develop technology much more proficient than ourselves. Is god incompetent?
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How do christians explain that humans can develop technology much more proficient than ourselves. Is god incompetent?
Let me answer that for the love children aswell;
"everything is from god and god has given people wisdom (even though god forbid wisdom from people at FIRSt but then somehow god said he gave it to them.. oh what the hell) and capabilite to use it's environment, it is there's to choose how to use it... even though it's not.. since it's all fate... so I can't actually say it's people's to choose how they use technology or how/what they create from it... wait I can't really say anything because my trade card is; "It is god, it is good, don't question".
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speaking of christianity, i have a question about born again christians 1) how is it ( i know of a person who is a so called "born again" christian) that this born again christian i know has friends that don't not only follow his beliefs and the way he supposedly lives his life but do stuff that i know are blatantly against what his GOD and the bible says.
can and should a born again christian have friends with people who are the polar opposite in beliefs and the way they live their lives? does this make this born again christian a big ole hypocrite?
Christians often have FAMILY MEMBERS who don't hold to the same religious beliefs. So it's not such a stretch that they have friends in the same boat.
Jesus befriended sinners as well. But, where the line was drawn is that He DID NOT compromise what was right to be buddies with them.
And, therein lies the rub. He didn't excuse sinful behavior or sugar-coat it. At the same time, when He saw that people were hurting, He helped them.
A perfect example is the woman caught in adultery, often erroneously identified as Mary Magdelene. Jesus befriended her and forgave her for her sin. He didn't excuse it or make light of it, nor did He suggest that she didn't deserve the death penalty (BTW, the guy with whom she got freaky should have been dragged there to be executed, too. But, that's another issue). He forgave her and told her "Go and sin no more".
When Peter first met Jesus, his reaction was, "Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord". But, Jesus became His friend, as well, and stayed His friend EVEN AFTER Peter denied even knowing Him.
Therefore, I'd say that "NO", being friends with non-believers doesn't make a Christian a hypocrite....PROVIDED that he doesn't compromise his beliefs or condone sinful behavior.
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Let's see:
Spanish inquisition(1478 - 1834): hundreds killed over a period of 356 years
Crusades(1095 - 1291): thousands killed over a period of 200 years
Modern day atheists:
Mao Zedong (1958 - 1960): 43 million murdered
- Peng Xizhe (彭希哲), "Demographic Consequences of the Great Leap Forward in China's Provinces," Population and Development Review 13, no. 4 (1987), 639-70.
Joseph Stalin (1937 -1938): 1.2 million murdered
- Soviet Repression Statistics: Some Comments by Historian Michael Ellman, 2002
Pol Pot (1975 -1979): 1.7 million murdered
- Sophal Ear (May 1995). The Khmer Rouge Canon 1975-1979: The Standard Total Academic View on Cambodia. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.In Chapter 1: Introduction
- The Cambodian Genocide Program. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.
The body count of any one of these guys makes the Crusades look like a girls' Jello wrestling match, at a sports bar.
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hehehe.... hehahHAhahah...... HAAAAA-HAHAHAHahhahahaha.... shieeet :D
there's another trick, while the religious warmongers goes out killing other religious warmongers in the name of peace and good while having unlimited fund by the luciferian elite group of leaders, the religious children are scared to death because you sick whores think that molesting very young virgin kids will grand you iternal health and deciase free life :-X... your whole life, and other peoples lives are led by fear by religion and that's a fact.
On everything God's will. You sound like a mini Nietzsche but let me tell one thing to you - Leo Tolstoy called Nietzsche stupid and abnormal. Leo Tolstoy has had a profound impact on such pivotal twentieth-century figures and the hero of yourz as Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr.
You are very stupid and cock confident guy, straight ahead and good luck, Jesus love ya.
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On everything God's will. You sound like a mini Nietzsche but let me tell one thing to you - Leo Tolstoy called Nietzsche stupid and abnormal. Leo Tolstoy has had a profound impact on such pivotal twentieth-century figures and the hero of yourz as Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr.
You are very stupid and cock confident guy, straight ahead and good luck, Jesus love ya.
Nietzsche was a nobody dude... just like people usually are that are the likes of him. He had some greate points but in many cases he seems like an angry little dude, he still had valid arguments, something what religious whores totally lack.
I'm extremely confident in what I'm saying to you, because as for now you haven't said one valid argument against what I have said... not one, ok. Everything I've said about christianity and their ideals is true... you dont' comment on them at all. Makes you theavoidingone
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your stats are atrocious, the fact that we are hear make the probability 100%, perhaps there is no other way for the universe to be configured, you are assuming all other possibilities and then stacking the deck against life. The anthropomorphic argument, weak or strong sucks, its a tautology and doesn't answer anything.
This is your argument. Before the simplest thing ever, there was the most complex thing there could ever be, why? no reason, it just was. Then he creates the simplest thing which slowly progresses over billions of years to higher and higher complexity, which will eventually end in heat death killing everything.
it is not self evident that complex begets simple, in fact it is the other way around, things start simple then get complex. Again another proof against god.
your idea of simple and complex are rooted in a physical world, and your ideas of "the proper order of beings" are also rooted in this physical world.
YOU put a simple thing before....nothing.
which makes no sense.
if energy is eternal, "where" a it before the big bang? :)
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if energy is eternal, "where" a it before the big bang? :)
from redicelous theory to another... GOD made it :D, god allways was and allways has been, god knows the gazillion galaxies and stars and planets, there's no other intelligent life anywhere and god just wanted to create these dudes and dudettes from pure boredom... with rules and fear OFCOURSE how else would people be able to live ::)
seriously ::)
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your idea of simple and complex are rooted in a physical world, and your ideas of "the proper order of beings" are also rooted in this physical world.
YOU put a simple thing before....nothing.
which makes no sense.
if energy is eternal, "where" a it before the big bang? :)
So atheists have a problem with a sentient entity being eternal; but they have no problem with non-sentient energy being eternal.
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I would say people don't have wisdom, intelligence, free will and are not even alive in the traditional sense.
The universe is completely physical/mechanical. And so is or brain and consciousness as well as everything else that the energy organizes too.
The physical laws of the universe, like gravity, electromagnetism and the initial one change that started of the universe has already predetermined how everything goes down from the first split second.
Everything that is happening now is this explosion that has yet to settle, it's merely the fallout until everything has 'fizzled out', and the energies have settled.
Everything that has ever happened and will happen can only go down one way. The universe is a completely linear event.
The only questions are what created the initial energy/matter, determined the physical laws, and what set it off.
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nothing
Quantum field theory shows that a quantum field, such as the quantum ground state, fluctuates, or is constituted by fluctuations (e.g. virtual particles) which The Standard Model describes as 'fundamental' somethings. To oversimplify further: "nothingness" vibrates insofar as "nothingness" is energetic. "A complete absence of energy" is 'metaphysical speculation' and not much else.
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So atheists have a problem with a sentient entity being eternal; but they have no problem with non-sentient energy being eternal.
The latter has proof, while the former is pure speculation. Can you disprove the law of conservation of energy? Then I may be a little more inclined to accept your conclusion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
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You will never ever find GOD by using scientific words such as - finite, infinite, physcial, mechanical, eternal, simple, complex, probability, Hubble telescope, Newton, conservation of energy, initial energy, matter, linear and so on, it will always be amiss, always I assure you. I am really starting to think it's kinda of sex or something for some of you.
It will be easier to kill yourself and return back with Einstein and Hitler. You would finally tell us how the God looks like, paradise, hell etc. Anyone finally?
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You will never ever find GOD by using scientific words such as - finite, infinite, physcial, mechanical, eternal, simple, complex, probability, initial energe, matter, linear and so on, it will always be amiss, always I assure you. I am really starting to think it's kinda of sex or something for some of you.
It will be easier to kill yourself and return back with Einstein and Hitler. You would finally tell us how the God looks like, paradise, hell etc. Anyone finally?
Lack of understanding is no basis for the existence of a deity.
This is the last time I respond to you Quackzilla.
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This is the last time I respond to you Quackzilla.
I assurre you, you understand nothing
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It's not a dispute or a competition who knows more about physics. It's about whether God exists or not. Whether hell and paradise exist or not. The simplest way to dicover it is to kill yourself and return back with the full report. There is no easier way out!
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I assurre you, you understand nothing
You are a severely retarded individual, I feel sorry for you..keep holding on to your faith as science disproves everything you believe in year after year.
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I love science and the scientist I beleive in them! They will build a town on Marz in 2972. They will make man live forever and return to life all deads, unless God terminates all humanity in 1 sec.
You may continue to discuss the physics, I'm done.
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So atheists have a problem with a sentient entity being eternal; but they have no problem with non-sentient energy being eternal.
yes..exactly.
Pure logic can never prove anything, let alone God's existence. God has given us no direct confirmation of his existence that we can verifiably confirm.
it is a matter of faith, but reason and logic combined can lead one to the proper conclusion.
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yes..exactly.
Pure logic can never prove anything, let alone God's existence. God has given us no direct confirmation of his existence that we can verifiably confirm.
it is a matter of faith, but reason and logic combined can lead one to the proper conclusion.
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^^^ That emoticon can't be overused in a situation like this.
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The latter has proof, while the former is pure speculation. Can you disprove the law of conservation of energy? Then I may be a little more inclined to accept your conclusion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
Both have proof; both have speculation.
Or, if you prefer, man cannot create or destroy energy.
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Both have proof; both have speculation.
Or, if you prefer, man cannot create or destroy energy.
Proof for God? Provide said proofs.
Please point out where any part of the law of conservation of energy is speculative, or Noether's theorem which corroborates the evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_Theorem
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Proof for God?
Yep!! Enough to convince certain atheists-turned-Christians, like Josh McDowell and Lee Strobel (just to name a few).
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Yep!! It worked for former atheists-turned-Christians, Josh McDowell and Lee Strobel (just to name a few).
That explains nothing.
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Yep!! Enough to convince certain atheists-turned-Christians, like Josh McDowell and Lee Strobel (just to name a few).
Let me guess, conveniently enough you need to have 'faith' to see/feel/hear/witness the proof and evidence, right ?...
how about some solid fucking evidence!?! a polaroid !?!, a videotape, any physical evidence (don't answer with - the earth or some other b.s) that (a) god exists anywhere in the universe in any dimension (currently there are aproximately 11 - string theory)
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(http://unreasonablefaith.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/santa_vs_god.png)
I can't stop laughing.
Joking aside, if you enter logic into any religion, it fails every time.
People need "faith" because they really don't know wtf they're here. Much like a rodent, it doesn't know either, but was never shown a bible. Either way, it doesn't hurt to believe in any of it, so enjoy....well, unless you figure all the deaths due to religious wars. Let's face it though, that's just entertainment for the rest of us, who aren't religious...win win. ;D
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This is in reference to nothing as described in quantum physics, and not the colloquial term nothing.
http://www.nanogallery.info/news/?id=8735&slid=news&type=anews
Something from nothing is a quantum possibility. Werner Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle opened the doors to overturning the law of energy conservation. Something from nothing is a quantum possibility
Is it ever possible to get something for nothing? The global wave of financial scandals has been widely seen as confirmation that “only nothing can come from nothing”, as the Greek philosopher Parmenides argued around 2,500 years ago and finger-wagging moralists have been telling us ever since.
Slackers everywhere should therefore take heart from the mounting evidence that Parmenides and his ilk could not have been more wrong. It is now becoming clear that everything can – and probably did – come from nothing.
Whenever some common-sense view of the nature of reality is challenged like this, you can bet quantum theory will be involved. And so it proves in this case, with two recent advances in the understanding of the subatomic world adding to the weight of evidence.
Unlike financial scam artists, physicists have been amassing evidence for their unlikely claim for decades, beginning with the discovery by a young German theoretician of a loophole in a supposedly inviolable law of nature.
As countless generations of schoolchildren are taught to parrot in class, the law of conservation of energy states that it cannot be created or destroyed, but merely transformed from one form to another.
In 1927, Dr Werner Heisenberg showed that the truth is rather more interesting in a paper that addressed a philosophical question: how do we know what reality is like? The answer seems obvious: by making observations. But Dr Heisenberg pointed out that the newly emerging quantum theory implied that the very act of observation affects whatever is being observed. That, in turn, means it is impossible to know with total precision what reality is actually like.
Dr Heisenberg went on to show that his now-celebrated Uncertainty Principle implies there is always some uncertainty about properties of any region of space – specifically, how much energy it contains over a given period. The “law” of energy conservation is thus merely a conceit, and one whose violation leads to some astonishing consequences – including support for the something-for-nothing view of reality.
Heisenberg’s principle implies, for example, that the very space around us is seething with subatomic particles, popping in and out of empty space. During their fleeting existence, these “vacuum particles” interact with each other, and turn the supposedly dull vacuum of space into the quantum vacuum – which astronomers now know is anything but dull. Observations suggest the expansion of the entire cosmos is being propelled by quantum vacuum energy, in the form of enigmatic “dark energy”.
Something for nothing can also be seen working its magic down at the other scale of things. In the late 1940s, the Dutch physicist Hendrik Casimir predicted that the quantum vacuum could generate a force-field between two flat plates of metal. This “Casimir Effect” again emerges literally out of nowhere, pushing the plates together.
The force is pretty feeble: between two book-sized plates separated by just a hair’s breadth, it is equivalent to barely the weight of the ink in this sentence’s full stop, and it was properly measured only in the mid-1990s. Even so, it’s enough to cause the components of delicate micro-mechanical devices to seize up.
Fortunately, back in the 1960s some Soviet theorists predicted that the quantum vacuum can be engineered so that the Casimir force becomes one of repulsion rather than attraction. And last week a team of scientists in the US reported in the journal Nature that they had confirmed the prediction in dramatic style, using the repulsive form of the force to levitate a gold-plated ball. OK, the ball was less than the size of a full stop, but that’s pretty impressive considering it was being held aloft by nothing but the energy of empty space.
Some theorists now think they can go even further, and use the physics of something for nothing to explain the origin of literally everything. They claim that the Big Bang from which the entire universe emerged was the result of convulsions in the quantum vacuum which took place around 14 billion years ago.
New theoretical work on the nature of matter suggests we may now have to regard even ourselves to be manifestations of the quantum vacuum.
All atoms are made up of electrons plus a far more massive central nucleus, made up of clusters of particles called quarks. It seems obvious that the mass of the nucleus must be the sum total of the masses of its quarks – but that reckons without the effect of the quantum vacuum. It turns out that the quarks account for only a tiny fraction of the total mass of a nucleus. By far the bulk comes from the subatomic “glue” that binds its quarks together. And this glue takes the form of vacuum particles flitting in and out of existence.
That at least is the theory. Confirming it requires some appallingly difficult calculations, involving all the different manifestations of quantum vacuum particles inside the nucleus – of which there are trillions. At the John von Neumann Institute for Computing in Jülich, Germany, Dr Stephan Dürr and colleagues have had a shot at doing this titanic calculation, using a computer capable of performing over 100 million million calculations a second.
After several months of number-crunching, the machine has now spat out its estimate for the mass of a hydrogen nucleus, and it is within 2 per cent of the value measured in the lab. In other words, virtually all the mass contained in atoms – and indeed us – appears to be nothing more than the evanescent energy of empty space.
It thus seems that much as we may like to distance ourselves from financial scam artists and get-rich-quick schemes, we are all living proof that it’s possible to get something for nothing.
Robert Matthews is Visiting Reader in Science at Aston University, Birmingham, England
Something from nothing is a quantum possibility. Werner Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle opened the doors to overturning the law of energy conservation.
I see what you are trying to present w/this but from where did the quantum vacuum come?
Also, do you accept this as true re: quantum vacuum? Doesn't sound like "nothing" to me though.
According to present-day understanding of what is called the vacuum state or the quantum vacuum, it is "by no means a simple empty space",[1] and again: "it is a mistake to think of any physical vacuum as some absolutely empty void."[2] According to quantum mechanics, the vacuum state is not truly empty but instead contains fleeting electromagnetic waves and particles that pop into and out of existence.[3][4][5]
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Not gonna go into a lengthy argument about those happenings but one fact I find interesting is that over half of the Waffen SS were confirmed christians.
What is a "confirmed christian?"
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I see what you are trying to present w/this but from where did the quantum vacuum come?
Also, do you accept this as true re: quantum vacuum? Doesn't sound like "nothing" to me though.
According to present-day understanding of what is called the vacuum state or the quantum vacuum, it is "by no means a simple empty space",[1] and again: "it is a mistake to think of any physical vacuum as some absolutely empty void."[2] According to quantum mechanics, the vacuum state is not truly empty but instead contains fleeting electromagnetic waves and particles that pop into and out of existence.[3][4][5]
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stella can you not tell by your response that you are so closed minded its impossible to discuss this with you? where did the vaccum come from, you guys will always ask where did that come from, oh, until we get to your god who needs no explanation.
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stella can you not tell by your response that you are so closed minded its impossible to discuss this with you? where did the vaccum come from, you guys will always ask where did that come from, oh, until we get to your god who needs no explanation.
Necro, what I'm saying is it's not nothing.
A quantum vacuum is not nothing. So why is it wrong to ask where that came from?
You have said something can come from nothing. Quantum vacuum = not nothing.
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Necro, what I'm saying is it's not nothing.
A quantum vacuum is not nothing. So why is it wrong to ask where that came from?
You have said something can come from nothing. Quantum vacuum = not nothing.
Read through my posts on this thread and I describe what 'nothing' is, and why it is in later posts.
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Read through my posts on this thread and I describe what 'nothing' is, and why it is in later posts.
You mean the one I quoted above? I did read it.
Can you please link me to the other ones you're talking about or just summarize here? Thanks YR!
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You mean the one I quoted above? I did read it.
Can you please link me to the other ones you're talking about or just summarize here? Thanks YR!
Quantum field theory shows that a quantum field, such as the quantum ground state, fluctuates, or is constituted by fluctuations (e.g. virtual particles) which The Standard Model describes as 'fundamental' somethings. To oversimplify further: "nothingness" vibrates insofar as "nothingness" is energetic. "A complete absence of energy" is 'metaphysical speculation' and not much else.
I alluded to this in the first sentence of the post you quoted.
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OK I remember reading that! Thanks for finding and posting that YR.
Bear with me here :P but I read that as saying there is no such thing as nothing or that nothingness can't be proven. Is that right?
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What is a "confirmed christian?"
As in they've themselves admitted that they are christians. It was also observed by fellow SS men. There are rumors indicating that even more than half of the SS were religious so that's why I said that at least half of them were confirmed to be believing/practicing christians as statistics show. There were all kinds of christians in the Waffen SS except for Jehovah's Witnesses of course.
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OK I remember reading that! Thanks for finding and posting that YR.
Bear with me here :P but I read that as saying there is no such thing as nothing or that nothingness can't be proven. Is that right?
Correct.
For all intents and purposes there is no such thing 'nothing', in the colloquial sense.
As for not being able to prove a total absence of energy. Maybe one day.
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As in they've themselves admitted that they are christians. It was also observed by fellow SS men. There are rumors indicating that even more than half of the SS were religious so that's why I said that at least half of them were confirmed to be believing/practicing christians as statistics show. There were all kinds of christians in the Waffen SS except for Jehovah's Witnesses of course.
Thanks for this def. lovemonkey.
Could be those guys were Christian but also I'm sure you know that a lot of religious and non-religious people sometimes label themselves as Christian when it doesn't actually fit the biblical definition (person who sees their need for a Savior and accepts Christ as such).
I guess my point is really it's hard to know who is truly a Christian and who isn't even if they profess to be so. Some people don't even know for sure themselves.
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Correct.
For all intents and purposes there is no such thing 'nothing', in the colloquial sense.
As for not being able to prove a total absence of energy. Maybe one day.
Thanks. I think a reefer bubble hit when I was reading that last post of yours ;D
Thanks YR!
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Thanks for this def. lovemonkey.
Could be those guys were Christian but also I'm sure you know that a lot of religious and non-religious people sometimes label themselves as Christian when it doesn't actually fit the biblical definition (person who sees their need for a Savior and accepts Christ as such).
I guess my point is really it's hard to know who is truly a Christian and who isn't even if they profess to be so. Some people don't even know for sure themselves.
So you mean a true christian wouldn't be able to commit the kind of atrocities the Waffen SS did?
I don't get this "true" christian thing. Considering the insane amount factions that exist within christianity who is to say they're right and the others wrong? Are you saying that your version of a true christian is the only one that wouldn't have done those terrible things? I'm sure there were a lot of SS soldiers that shared the same view of christianity as you do.
EDIT: Sorry, I'm putting words in your mouth.
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Thanks. I think a reefer bubble hit when I was reading that last post of yours ;D
Thanks YR!
Haha!
YW STella!
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"energy can not be created, nor destroyed according to the natural laws of existence"
"energy can not be created according to the natural laws of existence"
leads to=
"energy can not exist according to the natural laws of existence"
but,
"energy does exist"
and since
"energy can not exist according to the natural laws of existence"
it follows that
"energy was created supernaturally"
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"energy can not be created, nor destroyed according to the natural laws of existence"
"energy can not be created according to the natural laws of existence"
leads to=
"energy can not exist according to the natural laws of existence"
but,
"energy does exist"
and since
"energy can not exist according to the natural laws of existence"
it follows that
"energy was created supernaturally"
The belief in creating deities is about as old as our species. Most of the modern physics and quantum theory is less than a hundred years old. Yet in this short time we've learned so much more about our existence than religion has provided us with for thousands of years. In fact, considering how utterly falsified and man made the creation myths are, we've learned NOTHING about our existence from those fairy tales. Are you totally denying the possibility that science will get closer to the truth than what you just presented? And before you start saying that you're indeed using science to prove the existence of god just let me say "no". You're making shit up with zero evidence. Even your way of thought has tons of flaws in it.
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The belief in creating deities is about as old as our species. Most of the modern physics and quantum theory is less than a hundred years old. Yet in this short time we've learned so much more about our existence than religion has provided us with for thousands of years. In fact, considering how utterly falsified and man made the creation myths are, we've learned NOTHING about our existence from those fairy tales. Are you totally denying the possibility that science will get closer to the truth than what you just presented? And before you start saying that you're indeed using science to prove the existence of god just let me say "no". You're making shit up with zero evidence. Even your way of thought has tons of flaws in it.
we have learned so much about the mechanics of this physical world.
we have learned nothing of the mechanics of reality.. the big bang, the atom, quantum mechanics.. descriptions of God's tools for developing life..
:)
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we have learned so much about the mechanics of this physical world.
we have learned nothing of the mechanics of reality.. the big bang, the atom, quantum mechanics.. descriptions of God's tools for developing life..
:)
But yet you're so sure that God exists? How can you be certain of this when you just now said that we know nothing about the things that could unveil "his" doing?
You said earlier in the thread that it's about the faith. BINGO.
Faith - a belief in something contrary to the evidence or in the lack of evidence. You're a theistic lunatic. It's not enough for you to say that a deity created the universe, you also claim to know its mind. You have nothing supporting your argument except for your own faith.
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"energy can not be created, nor destroyed according to the natural laws of existence"
"energy can not be created according to the natural laws of existence"
leads to=
"energy can not exist according to the natural laws of existence"
but,
"energy does exist"
and since
"energy can not exist according to the natural laws of existence"
it follows that
"energy was created supernaturally"
LOL, im not taking this post serious.
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Get this fuckin god bothering shit off the G&O for fucks sake..
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LOL, im not taking this post serious.
do i need to change the second to last bold quote for you to get it? ok here:
energy can not exist, because the natural laws of the universe dictate that it can not be created.
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Get this fuckin god bothering shit off the G&O for fucks sake..
We're discussing the biceps vascularity and drug regimen of creating deities, piss off.
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But yet you're so sure that God exists? How can you be certain of this when you just now said that we know nothing about the things that could unveil "his" doing?
You said earlier in the thread that it's about the faith. BINGO.
Faith - a belief in something contrary to the evidence or in the lack of evidence. You're a theistic lunatic. It's not enough for you to say that a deity created the universe, you also claim to know its mind. You have nothing supporting your argument except for your own faith.
Faith is a belief in something that you do not have conclusive proof of. often times the reasons that cause faith have more proof within them than any scientific proof could ever have, as i pointd out before the probability of scientific statements being true are limited to the amount of times that statement has been experienced.
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Faith is a belief in something that you do not have conclusive proof of. often times the reasons that cause faith have more proof within them than any scientific proof could ever have, as i pointd out before the probability of scientific statements being true are limited to the amount of times that statement has been experienced.
Forget about conclusive proof, you've got zero proof for your god. Not even shabby ones.
But yet you're so sure that God exists? How can you be certain of this when you just now said that we know nothing about the things that could unveil "his" doing?
I would like to hear your reasoning against this.
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God is not subject to our desires of him. Conclusive proof on earth is what we wish, but it is not what God planned.
I said God can not be proven, i did not say there was no proof. ;D
proof is aplenty
as for my personal proof... i have outlined some of my logical reasonings within this thread.. beyond that, my experiences with God.. they will not persuade you, nor anyone else.. besides me. for they were my own experiences. :)
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God is not subject to our desires of him. Conclusive proof on earth is what we wish, but it is not what God planned.
I said God can not be proven, i did not say there was no proof. ;D
proof is aplenty
as for my personal proof... i have outlined some of my logical reasonings within this thread.. beyond that, my experiences with God.. they will not persuade you, nor anyone else.. besides me. for they were my own experiences. :)
Wow dude you're way out there.
"Your own experiences with god" "what god planned" hahahahaha. I'm sorry but I'm done with this debate with you for now, what's the point you're just a straight up lunatic.
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do i need to change the second to last bold quote for you to get it? ok here:
energy can not exist, because the natural laws of the universe dictate that it can not be created.
Energy exists without being created. It's the nature of the universe.
Your statement implies the nature of the universe to be 'nothing' instead of 'something' as a basis for claiming the necessity of a supernatural creator. ie. Energy can't be created without a supernatural entity
Entropy shows 'nothing' is simply more unstable than 'something' meaning 'something' must exist. This necessitates that 'something' is the nature of the universe rather than 'nothing' without the need for a supernatural creator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy
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Wow dude you're way out there.
"Your own experiences with god" "what god planned" hahahahaha. I'm sorry but I'm done with this debate with you for now, what's the point you're just a straight up lunatic.
It's funny how people are 'allowed' to take liberties with 'god'. If I claimed to have my own experiences with god santa claus I'd be called insane. It's acceptable to have an invisible friend, as long as it's called god.
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We're discussing the biceps vascularity and drug regimen of creating deities, piss off.
Settle down skinny :D
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LOL, im not taking this post serious.
At this point he's just making shit up as he goes along, we'll call this taylor's logic
lol
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It's funny how people are 'allowed' to take liberties with 'god'. If I claimed to have my own experiences with god santa claus I'd be called insane. It's acceptable to have an invisible friend, as long as it's called god.
exactly
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It's funny how people are 'allowed' to take liberties with 'god'. If I claimed to have my own experiences with god santa claus I'd be called insane. It's acceptable to have an invisible friend, as long as it's called god.
Seriously and people that believe in extra terrestrials (ufo's, etc.) or claim to have been abducted are the ones called crazy and institutionalized... lol funny how that works eh?
If I told a group of christians about hanging out with my imaginary friend the easter bunny they'd think I was nuts, but they can talk with god and jesus all they want and be 'praised' for it.
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do i need to change the second to last bold quote for you to get it? ok here:
energy can not exist, because the natural laws of the universe dictate that it can not be created.
Besides YG's post totally destroying this concept, it goes against reality. For one you can have no knowledge of the supernatural by virtue of it being supernatural, thus any comments you make about it are assumptions based on your opinion, nothing more. Also, energy exists, we know this, therefore "energy cannot exist" is a proposition that is the opposite of our observed reality. You are trying to find a way so that something has to be created, and that creator has to be your god. Step back and look at this logically, energy exists and cannot be created thus its essence is to exist as such. We need go no further, we don't have to add in a supernatural, all knowing, loving sentient being who lives in eternity blah blah. It complicates the matter and adds no information, the hypothesis is a bad one. You also exlude your god from the rules you have implied on the universe when they meet the criteria anyhow. You say something has to be eternal, energy fits that bill. But you then negate that and say that it has to be something supernatural for no reason, no logical reason at all. Your statements are completely irrational and actually go against reality. Something believing in god requires.
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Besides YG's post totally destroying this concept, it goes against reality. For one you can have no knowledge of the supernatural by virtue of it being supernatural, thus any comments you make about it are assumptions based on your opinion, nothing more. Also, energy exists, we know this, therefore "energy cannot exist" is a proposition that is the opposite of our observed reality. You are trying to find a way so that something has to be created, and that creator has to be your god. Step back and look at this logically, energy exists and cannot be created thus its essence is to exist as such. We need go no further, we don't have to add in a supernatural, all knowing, loving sentient being who lives in eternity blah blah. It complicates the matter and adds no information, the hypothesis is a bad one. You also exlude your god from the rules you have implied on the universe when they meet the criteria anyhow. You say something has to be eternal, energy fits that bill. But you then negate that and say that it has to be something supernatural for no reason, no logical reason at all. Your statements are completely irrational and actually go against reality. Something believing in god requires.
Agreed, plus it goes back to the concept of who made who (AC/DC lol) who created the supposed creator, it's not like if there is a god he appeared out of the blue in the universe one day and was bored so he started creating worlds and people..
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From my real life experience atheists generally are the skinny and midget guys, while the big ones or fucking mafia guys, acknoledge (not believe as in Santa Claus) God. Those skinny small guys are spoilt kids with everything handed to them, everything. They just eat, sleep, shit and bullshit. Infact if that dialogue would have been in real life face to face it would have been very different and short and I don't mean brawl. Just from the real life experience.
So no one has killed himself and come back with the full report as to how Enstein is doing, how the God looks like and what's about those places as hell and paradise? No one had balls?
There is a more brutal experience for you to see and believe in God and I mean you will remain alive.......I'm sure you have not have balls so continue on to be hardcore behind the keyboard I'm talking to you Necrisis, YngiweRhoads and LoveMonkey idiots!
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yeah dude but it doesn't change the fact that the god you worship seems like the anunaki reptilian humanoid gangster or something... he doesn't live up to it's own rules basicly, god is a madman...
this is real love if there ever was something like it.. being in touch with your inner self
I agree.. be in touch with yourself and you will find it.. but the thing is most people who are in touch of themselves thinking they must produce these feelings (love) themselves.. The Bible says when God created Adam, He breathe into him and alive he came.. Our souls are from God, our physical body are from the ground.. That's why at a funeral, you'll hear the words "From ashes to ashes, dust to dust".. When you rub your skin repeatedly, you'll see the ashes..
If we rely on our self effort to love, it will be a very inconsistent way to give love to others.. There will be days that we'll feel like crap and when those type of days come, people get hurt.. your partner get hurt.. Our love is fragile, poor and inconsistent.. God's love is eternal and fixed..
When God delivered Israel from Egypt (the Exodus), God showed His grace upon His people even though they murmured against him.. When they arrived at Mount Sinai, it was the people who boasted that whatever God instructs, we are able to meet them .. such self conscious and being independent from God.. Then God fulfilled their wish by giving them the 10 Commandments.. It was like God said to the people, if you want Me to bless you according to your works, here fulfill these 10 Commandments - The LAW.. The rest is history where you see men failed to live up the Law and sacrifices of animals have to be made to atone their sins..
So why we need to make animal sacrifices? Because God made a covenant between Him and the people... Covenant is not like a contract.. If you breach the contact, you are likely to be fined with an amount of money but if you break the covenant, you forfeit your life.. Blood must be spilled upon covenant.. One thing here is the animal sacrifice can only cover your sins, not necessarily take away your sins.. because animal does not surpass the level of the master.. Just like a slave cannot atone for his master.. God created the animals and put them under the authority of Adam and Eve..
That's why Jesus came as the last sacrifice for all our sins.. He is God who came as a man, His pure blood can wash away our sins forever and we are now together with God because of the shed blood of Jesus, the Son on God...
Jesus came without us asking for Saviour.. He came Himself and God the Father planned it.. Jesus is the personification of God's Grace.
I would write more but it'll take some time :) :)
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Let me guess, conveniently enough you need to have 'faith' to see/feel/hear/witness the proof and evidence, right ?...
how about some solid fucking evidence!?! a polaroid !?!, a videotape, any physical evidence (don't answer with - the earth or some other b.s) that (a) god exists anywhere in the universe in any dimension (currently there are aproximately 11 - string theory)
What part of atheists-turned-Christians escaped that skull of yours?
In other words, these men (at one point) were talking the much the same mess, currently spewing from your big mouth. Yet, they found enough evidence to change their views.
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(http://unreasonablefaith.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/santa_vs_god.png)
I can't stop laughing.
Joking aside, if you enter logic into any religion, it fails every time.
People need "faith" because they really don't know wtf they're here. Much like a rodent, it doesn't know either, but was never shown a bible. Either way, it doesn't hurt to believe in any of it, so enjoy....well, unless you figure all the deaths due to religious wars. Let's face it though, that's just entertainment for the rest of us, who aren't religious...win win. ;D
Plenty!!
One, who said that God has a long white beard? That is but more foolishness and a mere strawman, easily dismantled.
Intelligent men don't believe in God.....except (and this list is hardly exhaustive):
- The late Dr. D. James Kennedy (named one of the Most Oustanding Intellectuals of the 20th century by Cambridge)
- Dr. Ben Carson, John Hopkins Neuosurgery (first to successfully separate conjoined twins)
- RADM (Ret) Barry C. Black, Senate Chaplian, author of From the Hood to the Hill
- The late Dr. Bruce Metzger, Professor Emeritus, Princeton Theological Seminary
- Louis Pasteur, developer of vaccines and the process that makes milk products safe to consume
As for not returning calls, there are plenty of Christians here and elsewhere that can pretty much put that quip to rest.
Lack of evidence supporting his existence? You would think that, with all the time atheists have been embarassed making this stupid claims (especially when it relates to Biblical events), they would learn to keep their mouths shut with this one (Hey, Loco, you want this one? ;D ).
The mere fact that atheists tend to get bent out of shape, all over someone who supposedly doesn't exist, would suggest that they're the ones who could use some couch time, not their Christian counterparts.
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As if titles meant anything in real world.
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Intelligent men don't believe in God
This statement is correct.
For the most part no, they don't. You're citing a very small minority who accept faith over reason.
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html
Our latest survey finds that, among the top natural scientists, disbelief is greater than ever — almost total.
Leuba attributed the higher level of disbelief and doubt among "greater" scientists to their "superior knowledge, understanding, and experience"
This entire line of reasoning is a non-sequitur. You're implying that because someone else other yourself has faith, it then validates your faith.
Whatever people coose to believe doesn't change reality, no matter how much they wish it to be so. For those that do believe, it's not faith due to evidence, but due to faith in spite of the evidence. Just a silly, illogical, line of reasoning.
You cited proof for god* in a previous post in this thread but have yet to provide any corroborating evidence to support your assertion.
You then claimed the law of conservation of energy was based on speculation and have, again, failed to provide any evidence to support your claim.
*For arguments sake we'll assume you mean 'god' as inferred by the new testament.
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Intelligent men don't believe in GOD? It's a matter of acceptance and acknolegment of GOD, not of believing, don't let words fool you. None - believer is like a cockroach who has no idea of GOD.
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This statement is correct.
For the most part no, they don't. You're citing a very small minority who accept faith over reason.
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html
It isn't an issue of faith over "reason". And, as stated earlier, that list is hardly exhaustive. The claim was made that intelligent people don't believe in God, which is patently false. Intelligent people aren't just in scientific arenas. There are in theology, military, business, agriculture, and all other walks of life.
You cited proof for god* in a previous post in this thread yet have yet to provide any corroborating evidence to support your assertion.
The point I made was that your claim of there being no evidence is a false one, as has been demonstrated by men (who were once atheists but are now Christians. They apparently found sufficient evidence to change their minds. And others, like me, have seen such that have re-affirmed belief in God.
If you want to check the works of those two man (Strobel or McDowell, or others like Kennedy), be my guest. Whether what they found is sufficient enough for you is your own affair. But, that's hardly an indicator that, as you claimed, there is NO evidence for the existence of God.
You then claimed the law of conservation of energy was based on speculation and have, again, failed to provide any evidence to support your claim.
No!! What I said was that the idea that energy cannot be created nor destroyed was speculated. I qualified that by stating that man is incapable of creating or destroying energy. That does NOT neccesitate that energy is uncreatable or indestructible.
And, that led to my other point (and somewhat rhetorical question) as to why atheists seem to have a problem with Christians suggesting that Someone has always existed but have no problem with the concept of something always existing.
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Leuba attributed the higher level of disbelief and doubt among "greater" scientists to their "superior knowledge, understanding, and experience"
All words and whore attention bitching...How their superior knowledge, understanding and experience can help in understanding as to what happens afterdeath
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Leuba attributed the higher level of disbelief and doubt among "greater" scientists to their "superior knowledge, understanding, and experience"
All words and whore attention bitching...How their superior knowledge, understanding and experience can help in understanding as to what happens afterdeath
Why you think something happens in afterlife? Why not now.
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Why you think something happens in afterlife? Why not now.
Klaus I may do upset you but we all die, sooner or later. That's what all religions come down to - afterlife. IF you believe that nothing happens in afterlife, that's fine, but it doesn't prove anything in general scheme of things. To find out you have to die and return back with the full report for the humanity.
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And, as stated earlier, that list is hardly exhaustive. The claim was made that intelligent people don't believe in God, which is patently false. Intelligent people aren't just in scientific arenas. There are in theology, military, business, agriculture, and all other walks of life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence
They apparently found sufficient evidence to change their minds. And others, like me, have seen such that have re-affirmed belief in God.
Read my reference to this in the previous post.
If you want to check the works of those two man (Strobel or McDowell, or others like Kennedy), be my guest. Whether what they found is sufficient enough for you is your own affair. But, that's hardly an indicator that, as you claimed, there is NO evidence for the existence of God.
Unless they have peer reviewed hypothesis/studies/experiments that are accepted by the scientific community as valid theories, then their findings are still just hypotheses (speculation) and nothing more. There is no direct evidence for the existence for god accepted in science. I have yet to see any scientific journal report any evidence for any supernatural entities.
That does NOT neccesitate that energy is uncreatable or indestructible.
A non-sequitur. It does necessitate this, by definition. You're ignoring the natural world and imposing a supernatural element by implying this. You are implying that anything our senses detect is false by claiming this imperative. This would invalidate all human knowledge and reasoning.
And, that led to my other point (and somewhat rhetorical question) as to why atheists seem to have a problem with Christians suggesting that Someone has always existed but have no problem with the concept of something always existing.
I already answered this, to which you provide nothing in the way of rebuttal. There is proof for the for the latter and none for the former. Provide proofs which can be tested and there will be no problem with accepting a supernatural entity. Reason requires proof.
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YngiweRhoads you may have already read all wikipedia and all scientific journals but it will not help you to detect GOD. You will find out soon in around 1 min - 50 years in front. You may be quite a good guy around but shut your big mouth and don't say that there is no god unless you have solid scientific evidence palaroid or video tape with no God. Ok cockroach
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For the atheists. Any solid scientific evidence that there is no God. I mean a palaroid photo or a videotape where it would have been obvious God isn't there.
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Energy exists without being created. It's the nature of the universe.
Your statement implies the nature of the universe to be 'nothing' instead of 'something' as a basis for claiming the necessity of a supernatural creator. ie. Energy can't be created without a supernatural entity
Entropy shows 'nothing' is simply more unstable than 'something' meaning 'something' must exist. This necessitates that 'something' is the nature of the universe rather than 'nothing' without the need for a supernatural creator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy
you know absolutely nothing abut the nature of the universe, you only know what you observe. we observe an indestructable and uncreatable energy. you assume that it always was, i take it as evidence that who ever did create it had powers beyond ours. :) or MAYBE God takes the shape of energy in our physical realm?
this whole discussion we have been debating logic behind proof of God. I would point out thjat never ONCE did any atheist try to provide proof that there was NOT a God.. the closest they came was trying to provide proof that he wasnt necessary. but even in that their argument is no better than the argument than can be made for his necessity.
out of this, we know that God is not a matter of logic, but of faith. and that logic is not a source of knowledge :)
logic can only provide probability of truth and justify trivial claims wich are self evident (triangle has three sides, bear is an animal, etc)
all i hope is that whoever read this remembers it so maybe one day their minds will take notice subconsciously and then their minds can explode with truth
God is fun!!! God is good, God is pleasure, God is joy, God is love, God is happyness, God is peace, God is serenity.
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For the atheists. Any solid scientific evidence that there is no God. I mean a palaroid photo or a videotape where it would have been obvious God isn't there.
I wouldn't use that argument if I were you. It will bit you in the ass.
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I wouldn't use that argument if I were you. It will bit you in the ass.
no
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Tbombz that's where I disagree with u
God is not a matter of faith but a matter of acknolegment and acceptence.
God isn't fun nor good, nor pleasure nor joy nor love nor happyness, nor peace, nor is serenity.
You have to be a God to judge between the success and failure. You're actually a no body to think that what he is.
But where we are together is that we accept the fact that there is a GOD
For the atheists. Any solid scientific evidence that there is no God. I mean a palaroid photo or a videotape where it would have been obvious God isn't there.
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For the atheists. Any solid scientific evidence that there is no God. I mean a palaroid photo or a videotape where it would have been obvious God isn't there.
OMG, you are truly beyond retarded... why don't you prove to me your god exists ?!!? and don't say the trees and grass outside, that's called nature and is part of our planet's evolutionary state.
You want video disproving a god !?!? here you go
there's thousands more just like it.. maybe your god of peace and love and understanding is just a cold blooded killer or believe in murder over saving the people he supposedly created.. ?
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OMG, you are truly beyond retarded... why don't you prove to me your god exists ?!!? and don't say the trees and grass outside, that's called nature and is part of our planet's evolutionary state.
You want video disproving a god !?!? here you go
there's thousands more just like it.. maybe your god of peace and love and understanding is just a cold blooded killer or believe in murder over saving the people he supposedly created.. ?
I agree with the video.. Religion kills, not God.. Religions are made up by people like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Catholicisms, etc.. They have absolute no relationship with God.. They do what they perceived God wanted them to do and they never heard the prompting of the spirit within..
I was raised as a Buddhist and Taoist before I went AWOL with religion became a "free-thinker".. Nothing works and life just sucks, full of self-effort and back stab others in order to survive.. A mountain of bad habits and addiction.. I spent monies on motivational books, tapes, seminars about self improvement and guess what? ALL FAILED..
When I turned to Christianity, I can truly say that it's not a religion, it's a relationship... I did many things that I know myself are not smart enough to do.. I surprised many especially myself in impacting lives to the good.. not because I had wisdom or the desire to do good for strangers, I just had this prompting within me to move myself to do those things..
I believe God exist and He desires good in all people.. It is the people who screw up in the name of religion..
Terrorists are people who have a huge desire for God but they had the wrong belief of bringing peace to their world.. Religion will always make you to do this and that.. If you failed, you're condemned by God.. Then people act out of fear than love and when they act out of fear, people get hurt like what you see in the video..
Yes it is a sad world but I can truly say that it is not God's will for people to kill others out of "fun"..
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Aside from the scientific reasons and proof that a god cannot exist, I just find too many holes in the concept of a god like deity existing.. like I've stated before I believe loosely that thounsands or millions of years ago earth was seeded by an intelligent extraterrestrial civilization (for whatever purpose)
a civilization that start out like us, as primitive cavement and gradually over time and through science learned a great deal, ie. how to split the atom, space travel, advanced physics, etc.
I just find it hard to believe that there was one eternal being responsible for everything we know (and things we don't) it just seems too far fetched, the movies stargate, mission to mars and contact detail a lot of my beliefs, I believe there are far more advanced civilizations out there in different galaxies , solar systems and star systems , the idea of one central figure being responsible seems far-fetched to me. Especially considering there has never been any concrete proof or evidence of this deity existing, a god type figure has never shown itself and until that happens I will continue in belief in factual evidence, empirical data and solid proof combined with logic and reasoning, not faith.
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When i build a shelf or make a plate of spaghetti, I don't care if my invention is capable of understanding me, or why I built it.. it's just a shelf.
I think God is like that. Some energy, higher something that put this all here, in some orm or another. Does he sit in clouds playing harps, no. But does some middle schooler with an emo haircut know for sure there's no God? nope.
fact is, we're silly ants, and whatever maker put us here probably woulnd't give us the power to understand him. Why? Cause if he made us, he knows our nature. Man would obiously try to defeat his creator, let's be honest. So our maker left us dumb enough that his existence is beyond our comprehension.
4:28 am, night all
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When i build a shelf or make a plate of spaghetti, I don't care if my invention is capable of understanding me, or why I built it.. it's just a shelf.
I think God is like that. Some energy, higher something that put this all here, in some orm or another. Does he sit in clouds playing harps, no. But does some middle schooler with an emo haircut know for sure there's no God? nope.
fact is, we're silly ants, and whatever maker put us here probably woulnd't give us the power to understand him. Why? Cause if he made us, he knows our nature. Man would obiously try to defeat his creator, let's be honest. So our maker left us dumb enough that his existence is beyond our comprehension.
4:28 am, night all
Assuming there is a god/creator you really think he would leave us in the dark and not announce himself at some point or let us know what's up?!! and just abandon us like shitty science project?!
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It's not for me to prove you that God exists, I don't have any desire. I have found him, accepted him, acknoledged him.
Science will never prove that there is no GOD, never ever.
I could have made every scientist on this planet earth eat a bullet so he would never hesitate or struggle in his scientific research whether there is a God or not. One shot and he finds out, that's how it works. It's not logically correct nor scientifically approved to say that there is no God unless science has proved there is no God. I mean fucking solid proof. As a christianin I have no right to kill anyone, I have no right to kill any scientist that God's creature, there is a time for everyone to find God before he leaves that's beutiful world. I give my utmost to not kill anyone, I did not give you a life.
As my god Jesus Crist said
'It's high
time you swore by it, since it's hanging by a hair, I can tell you.'
'You don't think it was you who hung it, Hegemon?' the prisoner asked.
'If so, you are very mistaken.'
Pilate gave a start and replied through his teeth:
'I can cut that hair.'
`In that, too, you are mistaken,' the prisoner retorted, smiling
brightly and shielding himself from the sun with his hand. 'YOU must agree
that surely only he who hung it can cut the hair?'
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I agree with the video.. Religion kills, not God..
You're wrong, the god you worship is the most sexist, egoistic and partial god there is... do you know the "punishment" god gave mankind for eating a fruit, quite exaggarated, don't ya think, acording to god we were immortals before eating from there and painfree during child labour etc :-\...
people were sinners... but, when they started to have sex with each other, with dogs, with neighbours god decides to drown them because they were "too" evil... same with sodom and gomorath tales when god wanted to armageddon the whole fucking city just because they fucked and drank...
and riligious people are just retards... you base your life on good and love right? then stop killing in the name of it... stop talking shit behind other peoples back, stop being a two faced dumb ass ::)
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When i build a shelf or make a plate of spaghetti, I don't care if my invention is capable of understanding me, or why I built it.. it's just a shelf.
I think God is like that. Some energy, higher something that put this all here, in some orm or another. Does he sit in clouds playing harps, no. But does some middle schooler with an emo haircut know for sure there's no God? nope.
fact is, we're silly ants, and whatever maker put us here probably woulnd't give us the power to understand him. Why? Cause if he made us, he knows our nature. Man would obiously try to defeat his creator, let's be honest. So our maker left us dumb enough that his existence is beyond our comprehension.
4:28 am, night all
I can't stop laughing, spot on!!!!
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Religeous logic; the public needs to be kept in fear. If there are not enough existing fears, more must be condocted. The permise is that everybody is afraid of something. Discover that fear, play upon it, and enslave.
In a word of questionable identities, loss of identity equates to fear of rejection. Among herd animals, being banished from the herd is disastrous. Man is by his proven nature a herd animal. The price of noncomformity has always been high.
Understandably, those who espouse "freedom from fear" the most are those who provide a convenient enemy - one who must be vanquished and is ravening to take away their freedom. There can be no "freedom" unless some tyranny is provided to defend against. That's why villains are in constant demand.
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HAAAHahahhahahaha :D :D :D
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GOD CAN GO TO HELL! :)
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You're wrong, the god you worship is the most sexist, egoistic and partial god there is... do you know the "punishment" god gave mankind for eating a fruit, quite exaggarated, don't ya think, acording to god we were immortals before eating from there and painfree during child labour etc :-\...
people were sinners... but, when they started to have sex with each other, with dogs, with neighbours god decides to drown them because they were "too" evil... same with sodom and gomorath tales when god wanted to armageddon the whole fucking city just because they fucked and drank...
and riligious people are just retards... you base your life on good and love right? then stop killing in the name of it... stop talking shit behind other peoples back, stop being a two faced dumb ass ::)
Two faced dumb vagina is you, when you meet God in afterlife will you find a way to justify your behavior i.e. causing troube and yelling at every corner that there is no God? If there is no God then it shouldn't be that word in your vocabulary at all. If you get murdered tommow by religious people it's not that you cried the loudest that there is not God but only that you've come to kill religious people.
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All religions are bullshit. Chrsitianity is one of the most bullshit ones out there. It's totally illogical and absurd. As is Islam and Judaism. The Abrahamic religions are pure crap.
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Two faced dumb vagina is you, when you meet God in afterlife will you find a way to justify your behavior i.e. causing troube and yelling at every corner that there is no God? If there is no God then it shouldn't be that word in your vocabulary at all. If you get murdered tommow by religious people it's not that you cried the loudest that there is not God but only that you've come to kill religious people.
did I say I don't believe in god? nope
I explained what god has DONE and trash god and that stupid religion... it's irrelevant do I believe in god or not, I won't comment on that... I will comment on the actions of god which the bible speaks of..
And don't be stupid... too late actually, anyway, ofcourse the word "god" exists... dumb ass, have you read anything I have written ::), just like aliens and zeus and anunakis, they aren't here with us or anywhere fo that matter but their word and their teachings and their thoughts are "known" to us...
doesn't make them real... but, you see, I haven't limited my world view on god or the devil or bubble science, I don't care about none of that... what I speak about is the truth which holds truth for everyone. I question them all, ridicule them all... but the god you worship is a two faced loonie toon... atleast the devil is one sided... I haven't read much good about god.. making tests just to prove to the devil that even if you rape, rob and destroy good peoples live they will still believe in it ::)
and religious people are never on the difence they are allways on the offence, I would kill for me, not for my "country", not for anything but myself, that's good, that's honest and streight forward honesty.
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did I say I don't believe in god? nope
I explained what god has DONE and trash god and that stupid religion... it's irrelevant do I believe in god or not, I won't comment on that... I will comment on the actions of god which the bible speaks of..
And don't be stupid... too late actually, anyway, ofcourse the word "god" exists... dumb ass, have you read anything I have written ::), just like aliens and zeus and anunakis, they aren't here with us or anywhere fo that matter but their word and their teachings and their thoughts are "known" to us...
doesn't make them real... but, you see, I haven't limited my world view on god or the devil or bubble science, I don't care about none of that... what I speak about is the truth which holds truth for everyone. I question them all, ridicule them all... but the god you worship is a two faced loonie toon... atleast the devil is one sided... I haven't read much good about god.. making tests just to prove to the devil that even if you rape, rob and destroy good peoples live they will still believe in it ::)
and religious people are never on the difence they are allways on the offence, I would kill for me, not for my "country", not for anything but myself, that's good, that's honest and streight forward honesty.
You believe in God? Which one?
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You believe in God? Which one?
no comment
I only tell you what I have read from the bible and the basic structure of riligious peoples mind.
*cough*
one more time, read this, carefully now, notice the aspects I mention about god? they are in the bible, doh
did I say I don't believe in god? nope
I explained what god has DONE and trash god and that stupid religion... it's irrelevant do I believe in god or not, I won't comment on that... I will comment on the actions of god which the bible speaks of..
And don't be stupid... too late actually, anyway, ofcourse the word "god" exists... dumb ass, have you read anything I have written ::), just like aliens and zeus and anunakis, they aren't here with us or anywhere fo that matter but their word and their teachings and their thoughts are "known" to us...
doesn't make them real... but, you see, I haven't limited my world view on god or the devil or bubble science, I don't care about none of that... what I speak about is the truth which holds truth for everyone. I question them all, ridicule them all... but the god you worship is a two faced loonie toon... atleast the devil is one sided... I haven't read much good about god.. making tests just to prove to the devil that even if you rape, rob and destroy good peoples live they will still believe in it ::)
and religious people are never on the difence they are allways on the offence, I would kill for me, not for my "country", not for anything but myself, that's good, that's honest and streight forward honesty.
secondly, I thought this is a conversation about religion, I'm clearly not offtopic, shouldn't bother you do I believe in god or not, no comment
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Captain Equipoise's parents which have two degrees each, extremely well educated come from aristocratic families are christians. When tbombz smoke this shiet his God is fun, good, pleasure, joy, love, happiness, peace and serenity. Yourz God in which you believe is nothing! Excuse me but you just reinforced my belief in that you're a clinical idiot, get doctor as soon as possible. If not a clinical idiot then you are truly beyond retarded as a one-eyed Captain Exitpole put it.
No comment.
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man you suck.... nikolai Tesla wasn't god fearing man... Albert Einstein wasn't either :D
are you going to try convincing me to insanity showcasing how some a university graduat believed in god ?
get the hell out of here rofl :D
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence
Read my reference to this in the previous post.
Unless they have peer reviewed hypothesis/studies/experiments that are accepted by the scientific community as valid theories, then their findings are still just hypotheses (speculation) and nothing more. There is no direct evidence for the existence for god accepted in science. I have yet to see any scientific journal report any evidence for any supernatural entities.
A non-sequitur. It does necessitate this, by definition. You're ignoring the natural world and imposing a supernatural element by implying this. You are implying that anything our senses detect is false by claiming this imperative. This would invalidate all human knowledge and reasoning.
I already answered this, to which you provide nothing in the way of rebuttal. There is proof for the for the latter and none for the former. Provide proofs which can be tested and there will be no problem with accepting a supernatural entity. Reason requires proof.
Yngiwerhodes layin the smack down on illogical faith based arguments...
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Yngiwerhodes layin the smack down on illogical faith based arguments...
Funny thing is, god can be shown to exist via logical reasoning (tbombz prolly knows this if he's studied any philosophy), but that doesn't mean that god does necessarily exist. It's all metaphysical meanderings though. :)
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Not all religious people are crazy, but all crazy people are religious. :D
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Not all religious people are crazy, but all crazy people are religious. :D
well said dude ! :D
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Funny thing is, god can be shown to exist via logical reasoning (tbombz prolly knows this if he's studied any philosophy), but that doesn't mean that god does necessarily exist. It's all metaphysical meanderings though. :)
oooh gross, i hope your not referring to chris langan and his stolen theory.
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Funny thing is, god can be shown to exist via logical reasoning (tbombz prolly knows this if he's studied any philosophy), but that doesn't mean that god does necessarily exist. It's all metaphysical meanderings though. :)
Funny thing is that there are three classes of people: those who see, those who see when they
are shown, those who do not see. You're the last.
You will be watching youtube videos and read wikipedia all your life in vain attempt to figure out what the God is, why the religions for and why there is crazy religious people. It's not that hard to figure out, simple as that. Don't believe in nothing my friend, God will not understand you.
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Not all religious people are crazy, but all crazy people are religious. :D
that's right.. and those people are the one who kill for their devotion to God.. well off astray from the main purpose
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Jobless, living with mom in a 1 room apartment, looking a bum, rejects to take 1 million + dollars!
Real christian.
The intellignce of this guy Necrisis and Y....ods can only dream of
The greatest mathematician this century yet have seen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman
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(http://www.tiga.by/images/news/607c1perelman.jpg)
Sir John Ball, president of the International Mathematical Union, approached Perelman in Saint Petersburg in June 2006 to persuade him to accept the prize. After 10 hours of persuasion over two days, he gave up. Two weeks later, Perelman summed up the conversation as follows: "He proposed to me three alternatives: accept and come; accept and don't come, and we will send you the medal later; third, I don't accept the prize. From the very beginning, I told him I have chosen the third one… [the prize] was completely irrelevant for me. Everybody understood that if the proof is correct, then no other recognition is needed."[10] "'I'm not interested in money or fame,' he is quoted to have said at the time. 'I don't want to be on display like an animal in a zoo. I'm not a hero of mathematics. I'm not even that successful; that is why I don't want to have everybody looking at me.'" So Russian, so christian...
(http://govorit.donetsk.ua/sites/default/files/grigorii-perelman.jpg)
(http://www.sem40.ru/i/up/19206/image_big.jpg)
He had previously turned down a prestigious prize from the European Mathematical Society,[20] allegedly saying that he felt the prize committee was unqualified to assess his work, even positively.[16]
On 18 March 2010, Perelman was awarded a Millennium Prize for solving the problem.[21] Perelman is still contemplating whether to accept the award.[22]
Terence Tao spoke about Perelman's work on the Poincaré Conjecture during the 2006 Fields Medal Event:[23]
“ They [the Millennium Prize Problems] are like these huge cliff walls, with no obvious hand holds. I have no idea how to get to the top. [Perelman's proof of the Poincaré Conjecture] is a fantastic achievement, the most deserving of all of us here in my opinion. Most of the time in mathematics you look at something that's already been done, take a problem and focus on that. But here, the sheer number of breakthroughs...well it's amazing.
As of the spring of 2003, Perelman no longer worked at the Steklov Institute.[6] His friends are said to have stated that he currently finds mathematics a painful topic to discuss
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seems like a stand up guy
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seems like a stand up guy
LOL he looks so fuckin creepy. I can't wait for someone to come out and say that he was molested and raped by the current pope. Imagine the total chaos that would ensue. Catholics would have absolutely no credit left.
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LOL he looks so fuckin creepy. I can't wait for someone to come out and say that he was molested and raped by the current pope. Imagine the total chaos that would ensue. Catholics would have absolutely no credit left.
that mofo^^^is crazy as a loon....you have to be batshit crazy to believe in the shit religion spews....
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Blessed are the meek, blessed are the poor and look at Perelman
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yaaawwnnn ::)
you haven't once commented on what I have said about the bastard whore god you worship. The killings and angry tornado meltdown it had in the biblical storys only to make a point for everyone.
watch this ::)
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I don't see the issue people have with religion.
I practise it in a seculded building with fellow like minded people.
I do not ram it down peoples throat and respect other peoples views/choices.
you obviously don't live in the united states then.
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yaaawwnnn ::)
you haven't once commented on what I have said about the bastard whore god you worship. The killings and angry tornado meltdown it had in the biblical storys only to make a point for everyone.
watch this ::)
While Perelman finds mathematics a painful topic to discuss after his out of this world achievement, Necrisis and Y bullshit rodas are trying to prove that God isn't there. Stay tuned cross eyed clinical idiot.
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Perelman is a fucking nutcase, watch the movie Pi, I'm pretty sure he had some inspiration for the movie..
and the tower of babel clip, genius
face it, there is no god and if there is, he is not a kind, loving god but a jealous angry bitch.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/19/women-blame-earthquakes-iran-cleric
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face it, there is no god and if there is,
Let it science prove. It's not logically correct nor scientifically approved to say there is no God unless science has proved God isn't there. A palaroid photo or a videotape at least where it would have been obvious for everyone God isn't there. Perelman solved one of the most important and difficult open problems in mathematics, posed in yet 1904 and now there's Perelman's proof and he had met the criteria to receive the first Clay Millennium Prize Problems award of US $1,000,000, for resolution of the Poincaré conjecture.
Now world waits for the proof that there is no God.
As for you Captain Exitpole I advise next - approach your christian parents which have two degrees each, extremely well educated come from aristocratic families and start like this - face it, there is no god and if there is ........Father to your mother - You've given birth to an idiot!!!!
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All 15 Nobel prizes at once. Proof God is not there. Prove it and die as a cockroach without idea what the God is...
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Let it science prove. It's not logically correct nor scientifically approved to say there is no God unless science has proved God isn't there. A palaroid photo or a videotape at least where it would have been obvious for everyone God isn't there. Perelman solved one of the most important and difficult open problems in mathematics, posed in yet 1904 and now there's Perelman's proof and he had met the criteria to receive the first Clay Millennium Prize Problems award of US $1,000,000, for resolution of the Poincaré conjecture.
Now world waits for the proof that there is no God.
As for you Captain Exitpole I advise next - approach your christian parents which have two degrees each, extremely well educated come from aristocratic families and start like this - face it, there is no god and if there is ........Father to your mother - You've given birth to an idiot!!!!
There is something wrong with your brain...you want proof there's no god!?! try evolution, try humans splitting the atom, try humans sending a manned craft into space, try the large Hadron colider.. what possible proof for existence of god do you have?? a 2,000 year old story book that rips off a bunch of older religions, oh and of course, the icing on the cake..how many have seen and conversed with god?!?! a select few, adam, eve, cain, abel, noah, abraham and a few of their relatives..wow, must be some special god!
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There is something wrong with your brain...you want proof there's no god!?! try evolution, try humans splitting the atom, try humans sending a manned craft into space, try the large Hadron colider.. what possible proof for existence of god do you have?? a 2,000 year old story book that rips off a bunch of older religions, oh and of course, the icing on the cake..how many have seen and conversed with god?!?! a select few, adam, eve, cain, abel, noah, abraham and a few of their relatives..wow, must be some special god!
You've forgotten to add that Perelman solved one of the most important and difficult open problems in mathematics and there is a Perelman proof. Your proof that there is no GOD only would make Nobel commitee laugh under the table.
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It's not even close....you win hands down^^^of being the dumbest most delusional quack on getbig by a country mile...there's not even a close second theonlyone is bat shit crazy...That's if hes not a gimmick I'm hoping he is for the sake of humanity....
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You've forgotten to add that Perelman solved one of the most important and difficult open problems in mathematics and there is a Perelman proof. Your proof that there is no GOD only would make Nobel commitee laugh under the table.
I'm calling Poe's Law, am I right? Please say I'm right.
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I'm calling Poe's Law, am I right? Please say I'm right.
You may also would want to prove the Christianity is false. Try to prove that Hitler is not abiding in paradise.
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It's not even close....you win hands down^^^of being the dumbest most delusional quack on getbig by a country mile...there's not even a close second theonlyone is bat shit crazy...That's if hes not a gimmick I'm hoping he is for the sake of humanity....
I called gimmick a while back.
His posts are nothing but childish nonsense. ie 'Someone I know believes in supernatural entities with no proof, and he's a smart guy, so therefore they must exist!' This is how a 10 year old child, or mentally deficient adult would attempt to reason.
Only a moron would equate no evidence for supernatural entities as an attempt to prove there is no god.
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I called gimmick a while back.
His posts are nothing but childish nonsense. ie 'Someone I know believes in supernatural entities with no proof, and he's a smart guy, so therefore they must exist!' This is how a 10 year old child, or mentally deficient adult would attempt to reason.
Only an moron would equate no evidence for supernatural entities as an attempt to prove there is no god.
Hey buddy do you have evidence in regards of Hitler as to whether where does he abide exactly Hell or paradise? Only a moron would equate no evidence with no God. Hope this helps
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I called gimmick a while back.
His posts are nothing but childish nonsense. ie 'Someone I know believes in supernatural entities with no proof, and he's a smart guy, so therefore they must exist!' This is how a 10 year old child, or mentally deficient adult would attempt to reason.
Only an moron would equate no evidence for supernatural entities as an attempt to prove there is no god.
agreed...there is really no point to engage in any further discussion he's a gimmick or needs to be in a mental hospital...
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agreed...there is really no point to engage in any further discussion he's a gimmick or needs to be in a mental hospital...
Yep. :)
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big L dawg from your side in particular there was no discussion but a childish nonsense. As for the Y.. busshit..ads he's like that dog - barks but caravan is going
For those who demand evidence of God
Do you have evidence in regards of Hitler in particular as to whether where does he abide exactly Hell or paradise? Only a moron would equate no evidence with no God.
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big L dawg from your side in particular there was no discussion but a childish nonsense. As for the Y.. busshit..ads he's like that dog - barks but caravan is going
For those who demand evidence of God
Do you have evidence in regards of Hitler in particular as to whether where does he abide exactly Hell or paradise? Only a moron would equate no evidence with no God.
only a moron would equate no evidence of god and still believe in one. Its ike believing in unicorns, ogres and witches, no evidence = good chance they dont exist.
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only a moron would equate no evidence of god and still believe in one. Its ike believing in unicorns, ogres and witches, no evidence = good chance they dont exist.
Thank you for bringing some intelligence back to this thread.
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Has anyone in this thread read God Delusion by Dawkins?
Good stuff.
I was brought up and went to the largest catholic university in the U.S....ironically that's when I started to realize how bullshit the catholic church and the rest of religions are. God does not exist.
Best quote out of Dawkins's book is something along the lines of "most people are atheists to at least 5 gods, I choose to one god further"
Also a few people in the thread have it wrong. The burden is on the believers of god to show proof that he exists, not on the naysayers.
A big part in Dawkins's book is that we can't disprove god's existence...but we can be certain in the upper 90th percentile that he does not exist.
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Has anyone in this thread read God Delusion by Dawkins?
Good stuff.
I was brought up and went to the largest catholic university in the U.S....ironically that's when I started to realize how bullshit the catholic church and the rest of religions are. God does not exist.
Best quote out of Dawkins's book is something along the lines of "most people are atheists to at least 5 gods, I choose to one god further"
Also a few people in the thread have it wrong. The burden is on the believers of god to show proof that he exists, not on the naysayers.
A big part in Dawkins's book is that we can't disprove god's existence...but we can be certain in the upper 90th percentile that he does not exist.
I've read it , good book.. there's a lot of great atheist books I've also read, I find it sad that so many brilliant minds are trapped in christanities clutches because of forced upbringing and through the cult mentality being beaten into their fragile minds at a very impressionable young age (3,4 years old)
by the time most of these kids reach a thinking age of puberty their mind is made up and forged.
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Yes sir. Dawkins quote "there is no such thing as a Christian child" because children are forced the parents religion on them.
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Science could not prove God doesn't exist
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http://www.therefinersfire.org/science_bible.htm
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Ask God to help you, he will. In prayer, inside your head, lik meditation... God is always listening, ask him for help, and come to him with no ego... do not ask if you have it in your heart that you dont actually want the help.. if you come to God asking for him to showhimself that is not going to happen
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only a moron would equate no evidence of god and still believe in one. Its ike believing in unicorns, ogres and witches, no evidence = good chance they dont exist.
No evidence of God doesn't prove he doesn't exist. There is no evidence in regards of Hitler as to whether where does he abide exactly Hell or paradise. There is no evidence yet either as to whether brick should fall onto your empty head this same evening. It will become only an evidence when it finally lands onto your empty head. But no brick will ever fall on anyone's head just out of the blue. In ths particular case, I assure you Nicrisis, you are not in danger of that at all. You will die a different death. As a cockroach a none believer.....
Only a moron would equate God with unicorns, ogres, witches and Santa Claus.
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Ask God to help you, he will. In prayer, inside your head, lik meditation... God is always listening, ask him for help, and come to him with no ego... do not ask if you have it in your heart that you dont actually want the help.. if you come to God asking for him to showhimself that is not going to happen
If your god told you to kill your own son would you?
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Ask God to help you, he will. In prayer, inside your head, lik meditation... God is always listening, ask him for help, and come to him with no ego... do not ask if you have it in your heart that you dont actually want the help.. if you come to God asking for him to showhimself that is not going to happen
Holy shit you went from humble deistic arguments to this?? Are you really feeling like an intellectual while typing that?
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If your god told you to kill your own son would you?
Did He say that?
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Aside from the scientific reasons and proof that a god cannot exist, I just find too many holes in the concept of a god like deity existing.. like I've stated before I believe loosely that thounsands or millions of years ago earth was seeded by an intelligent extraterrestrial civilization (for whatever purpose)
a civilization that start out like us, as primitive cavement and gradually over time and through science learned a great deal, ie. how to split the atom, space travel, advanced physics, etc.
I just find it hard to believe that there was one eternal being responsible for everything we know (and things we don't) it just seems too far fetched, the movies stargate, mission to mars and contact detail a lot of my beliefs, I believe there are far more advanced civilizations out there in different galaxies , solar systems and star systems , the idea of one central figure being responsible seems far-fetched to me. Especially considering there has never been any concrete proof or evidence of this deity existing, a god type figure has never shown itself and until that happens I will continue in belief in factual evidence, empirical data and solid proof combined with logic and reasoning, not faith.
Some people who allegedly have been taken by ETs have "allegedly" talked to the ETs about GOD and or a higher power, and these ETs have said that there is one...
Also gaining access to the Akashic records, one can possibly gain knowledge on some level or confirmation of GOD.
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This thread degenerated into vapid nonsense I see. >:(
For a thoroughly critical quashing of new age hokeyness I'd suggest this book for those interested.
Quantum Gods: Creation, Chaos and the Search for Cosmic Consciousness
http://guy-Book-Review-117540.shtml
It's not often that I come across books that explain such intricate matters as particle physics in a way that is both accessible to the average reader as well as explained with a logic that permeates each line. The conclusion that Stenger draws from his arguments seem like the obvious one and, when broken down, his critics' theories really have nothing on it. Additionally, many confusions that scientists make when thinking about quantum mechanics are also explained clearly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Stenger
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Did He say that?
no.I'm asking...how about you?if your lord and Saviour told you to kill your own child would you?or would you go against your god's wishes?....
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Science could not prove God doesn't exist
Science can't prove that god does exist. But just ask yourself......have you ever really had god "talk" to you? Or were you lead to the faith you have because your parents, family and friends just made you adopt it? Did god call out to you as a child and asked you to follow a particular denomination?
The chances that the current faith you have WAS predetermined by your parents and family and not by you, is pretty high.
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This thread degenerated into vapid nonsense I see. >:(
For a thoroughly critical quashing of new age hokeyness I'd suggest this book for those interested.
Quantum Gods: Creation, Chaos and the Search for Cosmic Consciousness
http://guy-Book-Review-117540.shtml
It's not often that I come across books that explain such intricate matters as particle physics in a way that is both accessible to the average reader as well as explained with a logic that permeates each line. The conclusion that Stenger draws from his arguments seem like the obvious one and, when broken down, his critics' theories really have nothing on it. Additionally, many confusions that scientists make when thinking about quantum mechanics are also explained clearly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Stenger
That good guy will die as all of us, a simple mortal. If it were not him it would have been someone else, there is no logic but idle chance. An attention seeking "stupido".
I didn't see that he proved and there is a Victor J. Stenger' proof that Hitler is abiding in Hell. I didn't see that he proved that it's just a lights out after death etc etc etc.
YngiweRhoads why don't ya go on physics forum and see how you fare physics knowledge wise over there?
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Some people who allegedly have been taken by ETs have "allegedly" talked to the ETs about GOD and or a higher power, and these ETs have said that there is one...
Interesting point
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Has anyone in this thread read God Delusion by Dawkins?
Good stuff.
I was brought up and went to the largest catholic university in the U.S....ironically that's when I started to realize how bullshit the catholic church and the rest of religions are. God does not exist.
Best quote out of Dawkins's book is something along the lines of "most people are atheists to at least 5 gods, I choose to one god further"
That quote is mind-numbingly stupid. That's like saying a woman is barren, even though she had just one child. An atheist believes that there is NO GOD. Therefore, if someone believes in ONE deity (no matter how many others in which he doesn't believe) he ain't an atheist, period.
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While Perelman finds mathematics a painful topic to discuss after his out of this world achievement, Necrisis and Y bullshit rodas are trying to prove that God isn't there. Stay tuned cross eyed clinical idiot.
dude I don't comment on is god existing or not, no comment, even though it's ridiculous idea.
I'm ridiculing god, you should really comment about the horrors it has done just to make a point for itself :-*, with it's love bullshit and selling your soul crap at the same time god seems like a double moraled being
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Science can't prove that god does exist. But just ask yourself......have you ever really had god "talk" to you? Or were you lead to the faith you have because your parents, family and friends just made you adopt it? Did god call out to you as a child and asked you to follow a particular denomination?
The chances that the current faith you have WAS predetermined by your parents and family and not by you, is pretty high.
Your parents can't determine or predetermine your faith. They can raise you with the values to which they hold dear (as would any set of parents would). But, at the end of the day, YOU make the choice on how you will follow.
Or, as the saying goes, God has no grandchildren. Lest you forget, there are MANY people who become Christians as adults, who did NOT grow up in Christian homes or with Christian parents.
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no.I'm asking...how about you?if your lord and Saviour told you to kill your own child would you?or would you go against your god's wishes?....
big L dawg Let it Stella comment. I don't know bout Tbombz but if you're a christian there is no even a possibility of this nonsense to occur in your head. That's why Captain Exitpole's christian parents don't kell their stupi atheist son. I call fail
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That quote is mind-numbingly stupid. That's like saying a woman is barren, even though she had just one child. An atheist believes that there is NO GOD. Therefore, if someone believes in ONE deity (no matter how many others in which he doesn't believe) he ain't an atheist, period.
We've talked about the different types of atheism before, so I'm not going to debate the issue again. While I do agree with most of Dawkin's views with regards to religion et al, I would rather he weren't so much anti-theism as much as he should be pro-science. It tends to devalue his position somewhat, imho.
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big L dawg Let it Stella comment. I don't know bout Tbombz but if you're a christian there is no even a possibility of this nonsense to occur in your head. I call fail
are you saying your god never asked a parent to kill there child?
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are you saying your god never asked a parent to kill there child?
big L dawg Let it Stella comment. I don't know bout Tbombz but if you're a christian there is no even a possibility of this nonsense to occur in your head. That's why Captain Exitpole's parents which are an orthodox christian don't kill their a stupid atheist son. I call fail
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Holy shit you went from humble deistic arguments to this?? Are you really feeling like an intellectual while typing that?
Brother, you should release your false beliefs.
If one comes to an understanding of God, would he not want to communicate with God?
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big L dawg Let it Stella comment. I don't know bout Tbombz but if you're a christian there is no even a possibility of this nonsense to occur in your head. That's why Captain Exitpole's christian parents don't kell their stupi atheist son. I call fail
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If your god told you to kill your own son would you?
If you were in a race and your family was in it with you and everyone who made it to the end got a huge vast treasure... and all the sudden the creator of the race and the person funding the prize for all the competitors comes to you and says, if you wish to attain the treasure at the end of the race, push your son out of bounds. he will be disqualified, but rest assured he will also get his treasure, for it wasnt hihs fault he did not complete the race.
would you do it
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Big L in two words, Ican't see youtube
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Big L in two words, Ican't see youtube
trust me...you couldn't see it even if you could see youtube...
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If you were in a race and your family was in it with you and everyone who made it to the end got a huge vast treasure... and all the sudden the creator of the race and the person funding the prize for all the competitors comes to you and says, if you wish to attain the treasure at the end of the race, push your son out of bounds. he will be disqualified, but rest assured he will also get his treasure, for it wasnt hihs fault he did not complete the race.
would you do it
If by pushin him out of bounds you mean taking his life no i would not....
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If you were in a race and your family was in it with you and everyone who made it to the end got a huge vast treasure... and all the sudden the creator of the race and the person funding the prize for all the competitors comes to you and says, if you wish to attain the treasure at the end of the race, push your son out of bounds. he will be disqualified, but rest assured he will also get his treasure, for it wasnt hihs fault he did not complete the race.
would you do it
And, if the creator of the race was only a sound inside your head...fuck no.
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If you were in a race and your family was in it with you and everyone who made it to the end got a huge vast treasure... and all the sudden the creator of the race and the person funding the prize for all the competitors comes to you and says, if you wish to attain the treasure at the end of the race, push your son out of bounds. he will be disqualified, but rest assured he will also get his treasure, for it wasnt hihs fault he did not complete the race.
would you do it
We come in this world with no-thing, and we leave this world with no-thing. "Treasure" only has value that men put on it...
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trust me...you couldn't see it even if you could see youtube...
In God I trust as in the USA they say. As for you, you are an idiot.
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We come in this world with no-thing, and we leave this world with no-thing. "Treasure" only has value that men put on it...
its a parable, a metaphore.. treasure
capt eq doesnt believe in God because the world and universe has a set of basic laws and everything that is has a logical explanation for its being what it is.
capt eq:
1 - FIRST MOVER: Some things are in motion, anything moved is moved by another, and there can't be an infinite series of movers. So there must be a first mover (a mover that isn't itself moved by another). This is God.
2 - FIRST CAUSE: Some things are caused, anything caused is caused by another, and there can't be an infinite series of causes. So there must be a first cause (a cause that isn't itself caused by another). This is God.
3 - NECESSARY BEING: Every contingent being at some time fails to exist. So if everything were contingent, then at some time there would have been nothing -- and so there would be nothing now -- which is clearly false. So not everything is contingent. So there is a necessary being. This is God.
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its a parable, a metaphore.. treasure
capt eq doesnt believe in God because the world and universe has a set of basic laws and everything that is has a logical explanation for its being what it is.
capt eq:
1 - FIRST MOVER: Some things are in motion, anything moved is moved by another, and there can't be an infinite series of movers. So there must be a first mover (a mover that isn't itself moved by another). This is God.
2 - FIRST CAUSE: Some things are caused, anything caused is caused by another, and there can't be an infinite series of causes. So there must be a first cause (a cause that isn't itself caused by another). This is God.
3 - NECESSARY BEING: Every contingent being at some time fails to exist. So if everything were contingent, then at some time there would have been nothing -- and so there would be nothing now -- which is clearly false. So not everything is contingent. So there is a necessary being. This is God.
Everything we know about the universe indicates it is uncaused. Modern physics has soundly refuted metaphysical meanderings, rendering any arguments of this nature implicitly unsound. >:(
Lack of understanding is no basis for faith.
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Lack of understanding is no basis for faith.
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
William Shakespeare
You will remain a fool untill you die clown
Get it through your thick skull a wanna be prominent scientist
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Christianity is on it's way out...
time + science = Crushing the christian faith, and all other religions too
the only way someone can believe this shit is to never question it
I am NOT a christian nor do I belong to any faith, I simply believe in some form of omnipotent being that created the universe ,aka GOD.
It is little wonder that the Catholic church is trying hard to expand/grow in 3rd world areas.
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Christianity is on it's way out...
time + science = Crushing the christian faith, and all other religions too
the only way someone can believe this shit is to never question it
WRONG on all counts!!!
One, after two millenia plus, Christianity is alive and well, hardly on the way out, despite numerous claims of such by skeptics of centuries past.
Two, again, people forget about the millions of people who becomes Christians in their adult life, including those who were once atheist.
If William Murray, son of one of the most rabid, notorious atheists in history (Madalyn Murray O'Hair) can become a Christian (and a pastor), there's hope for everyone.
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That quote is mind-numbingly stupid. That's like saying a woman is barren, even though she had just one child. An atheist believes that there is NO GOD. Therefore, if someone believes in ONE deity (no matter how many others in which he doesn't believe) he ain't an atheist, period.
NO it's not. It makes sense.
I take it you're a Christian? ...so you believe in Jesus. ...but you don't believe in Buddah or Allah or Zeus ... because that would go against Christianity. Therefore you are an atheist to all gods but Jesus.
If you're Muslim then you don't believe in Jesus. ...etc
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If you were in a race and your family was in it with you and everyone who made it to the end got a huge vast treasure... and all the sudden the creator of the race and the person funding the prize for all the competitors comes to you and says, if you wish to attain the treasure at the end of the race, push your son out of bounds. he will be disqualified, but rest assured he will also get his treasure, for it wasnt hihs fault he did not complete the race.
would you do it
This quote is so stupid because it is not plausible. You're not even being realistic. No race or other bullshit like this would ever happen.
Stop talking gibberish to make your point.
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Everything we know about the universe indicates it is uncaused. Modern physics has soundly refuted metaphysical meanderings, rendering any arguments of this nature implicitly unsound. >:(
Lack of understanding is no basis for faith.
nothing we know about the universe indicates anything about causality, besides that it is real. ;)
physics does absolutely NOTHING beyond giving a description of natural laws within our universe... or more precisely, seemingly natural laws in the observable universe. or even more precisely, give us some kind of foundation to predict the future, based upon the past...
a limited understanding is no basis for lack of faith. :)
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its a parable, a metaphore.. treasure
capt eq doesnt believe in God because the world and universe has a set of basic laws and everything that is has a logical explanation for its being what it is.
capt eq:
1 - FIRST MOVER: Some things are in motion, anything moved is moved by another, and there can't be an infinite series of movers. So there must be a first mover (a mover that isn't itself moved by another). This is God.
2 - FIRST CAUSE: Some things are caused, anything caused is caused by another, and there can't be an infinite series of causes. So there must be a first cause (a cause that isn't itself caused by another). This is God.
3 - NECESSARY BEING: Every contingent being at some time fails to exist. So if everything were contingent, then at some time there would have been nothing -- and so there would be nothing now -- which is clearly false. So not everything is contingent. So there is a necessary being. This is God.
hahhaahaha this is the classic theist argument. So let me get this straight. Just because you can not think of an explanation for something you AUTOMATICALLY attribute it to god because you're too feeble minded to search for the cause or actually research it. People thought just over a hundred years ago that god made the skies blue and the grass green people thought a million things in the early 1900s were attributed to god but through hard work and research people now know the reasons why things exist...etc
Just because we don't YET know the answers to your 3 postulates does not mean that god is behind them.
It's like you taking an advanced calculus class and coming across a problem that you can't solve. You try for a week straight to find the solution...working on it day and night, and still nothing. ...so by your reasoning THIS IS GOD
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This quote is so stupid because it is not plausible. You're not even being realistic. No race or other bullshit like this would ever happen.
Stop talking gibberish to make your point.
a race, a prize, a father, a son, and a creator of a race.. this is implausible? show me how this can not be so. ;D
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NO it's not. It makes sense.
I take it you're a Christian? ...so you believe in Jesus. ...but you don't believe in Buddah or Allah or Zeus ... because that would go against Christianity. Therefore you are an atheist to all gods but Jesus.
That's like saying, "Oh, you're childless. You don't have any kids....except for that one daughter there."
If you're Muslim then you don't believe in Jesus. ...etc
Atheists believe that there is NO God, no deity. I believe that there's ONE God. All it takes is belief in ONE, just as all I need is ONE child to be a father, not two, not ten, but just one.
Either you believe or you don't. It's just that simple. Skeptics, trying to make up such gibberish in a comical attempt to make themselves look smarter than they actually are, simply trip themselves up on this simple concept.
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nothing we know about the universe indicates anything about causality, besides that it is real. ;)
physics does absolutely NOTHING beyond giving a description of natural laws within our universe... or more precisely, seemingly natural laws in the observable universe. or even more precisely, give us some kind of foundation to predict the future, based upon the past...
a limited understanding is no basis for lack of faith. :)
or better yet Einstein said
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
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or better yet Einstein said
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
as bishop George Berkely said
material does not exist
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as bishop George Berkely said
material does not exist
Give five)))...
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Your parents can't determine or predetermine your faith. They can raise you with the values to which they hold dear (as would any set of parents would). But, at the end of the day, YOU make the choice on how you will follow.
Or, as the saying goes, God has no grandchildren. Lest you forget, there are MANY people who become Christians as adults, who did NOT grow up in Christian homes or with Christian parents.
While that may be, I would bet more adults are in the faith they are because of what they grew up with as children. Catholics, Mormons, Jehovahs, Muslims, Jewish, etc. usually have rites and rituals that have been followed for eons and still carry today, even though many denominations contradict each other.
If a child was raised with no electricity around them, which is true in many parts of the world, they have no knowledge or understanding of it until it's brought to them by someone who is experienced with it. Religion is no different. It's passed on by people, not by god. god hasn't talked to these people or they would be Christian, Muslim, etc.
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a race, a prize, a father, a son, and a creator of a race.. this is implausible? show me how this can not be so. ;D
I answered your question...Did you answer mine?Would you kill your own child if Your god told you to?
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Give five)))...
You are truly retard ² , if you had actually READ the bible which you defend so valiantly you would know that your god ASKED Job to KILL HIS SON for him to show [god] that Job is his loyal servant.
This is the kind of demented god you worship, you fucking moron.
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as bishop George Berkely said
material does not exist
jesus, thats some foolish shit right there.
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You are truly retard ² , if you had actually READ the bible which you defend so valiantly you would know that your god ASKED Job to KILL HIS SON for him to show [god] that Job is his loyal servant.
This is the kind of demented god you worship, you fucking moron.
Hi idiot. Do you know why your parents who have two degrees each, extremely well educated come from aristocratic families and an orthodox christian do not kill their beloved but stupid, arrogant, spoilt and one eyed son? Because their God Jesus Christ did not say to kill sons. As for the Bible it's a book for an intepretation. Hope this helps
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Hi idiot. Do you know why your parents who have two degrees each, extremely well educated come from aristocratic families and an orthodox christian do not kill their beloved but stupid, arrogant, spoilt and one eyed son? Because their God Jesus Christ did not say to kill sons. As for the Bible it's a book for an intepretation. Hope this helps
Dear pedarast retard, read the story of Job, maybe then you will have a more enlightened interpretation of your god who is a baby killing (exodus) and son killing (job) monster.
http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Atheist-Essential-Readings-Nonbeliever/dp/0306816083/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271901981&sr=1-1
Great book btw.
oh and theonlyone keep denying and selectively arguing for your child murdering god, post only the sections and passages that fit the message you're trying to spread, not the WHOLE truth of the matter, typical propaganda, Stalin taught you well.
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Dear pedarast retard, read the story of Job, maybe then you will have a more enlightened interpretation of your god who is a baby killing (exodus) and son killing (job) monster.
http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Atheist-Essential-Readings-Nonbeliever/dp/0306816083/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271901981&sr=1-1
Great book btw.
oh and theonlyone keep denying and selectively arguing for your child murdering god, post only the sections and passages that fit the message you're trying to spread, not the WHOLE truth of the matter, typical propaganda, Stalin taught you well.
An answer in the previous post if mine. No comment
Something new?
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jesus, thats some foolish shit right there.
i take it that you have not read his philosophy. you should. heres a snippet:
<Phil>. I say it is nothing to the purpose. Our discourse
proceeded altogether concerning sensible things, which you
defined to be, <the things we immediately perceive by our
senses>. Whatever other qualities, therefore, you speak of as
distinct from these, I know nothing of them, neither do they at
all belong to the point in dispute. You may, indeed, pretend to
have discovered certain qualities which you do not perceive, and
assert those insensible qualities exist in fire and sugar. But
what use can be made of this to your present purpose, I am at a
loss to conceive. Tell me then once more, do you acknowledge that
heat and cold, sweetness and bitterness (meaning those qualities
which are perceived by the senses), do not exist without the
mind?
and another
<Phil>. Pray, is your corporeal substance either a sensible
quality, or made up of sensible qualities?
<Hyl>. What a question that is! who ever thought it was?
<Phil>. My reason for asking was, because in saying, <each
visible object hath that colour which we see in it>, you make
visible objects to be corporeal substances; which implies either
that corporeal substances are sensible qualities, or else that
there is something besides sensible qualities perceived by sight:
but, as this point was formerly agreed between us, and is still
maintained by you, it is a clear consequence, that your
<corporeal substance> is nothing distinct from <sensible
qualities>. {184}
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<Hyl>. And what will you conclude from all this? You cannot
argue that there are really and naturally no colours on objects:
because by artificial managements they may be altered, or made to
vanish.
<Phil>. I think it may evidently be concluded from your own
concessions, that all the colours we see with our naked eyes are
only apparent as those on the clouds, since they vanish upon a
more close and accurate inspection which is afforded us by a
microscope. Then' as to what you say by way of prevention: {185}
I ask you whether the real and natural state of an object is
better discovered by a very sharp and piercing sight, or by one
which is less sharp?
<Hyl>. By the former without doubt.
<Phil>. Is it not plain from <Dioptrics> that microscopes
make the sight more penetrating, and represent objects as they
would appear to the eye in case it were naturally endowed with a
most exquisite sharpness?
<Hyl>. It is.
<Phil>. Consequently the microscopical representation is to
be thought that which best sets forth the real nature of the
thing, or what it is in itself. The colours, therefore, by it
perceived are more genuine and real than those perceived
otherwise.
<Hyl>. I confess there is something in what you say.
<Phil>. Besides, it is not only possible but manifest, that
there actually are animals whose eyes are by nature framed to
perceive those things which by reason of their minuteness escape
our sight. What think you of those inconceivably small animals
perceived by glasses? must we suppose they are all stark blind?
Or, in case they see, can it be imagined their sight hath not the
same use in preserving their bodies from injuries, which appears
in that of all other animals? And if it hath, is it not evident
they must see particles less than their own bodies; which will
present them with a far different view in each object from that
which strikes our senses? Even our own eyes do not always
represent objects to us after the same manner. In the jaundice
every one knows that all things seem yellow. Is it not therefore
highly probable those animals in whose eyes we discern a very
different texture from that of ours, and whose bodies abound with
different humours, do not see the same colours in every object
that we do? From all which, should it not seem to follow that all
colours are equally apparent, and that none of those which we
perceive are really inherent in any outward object?
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<Hyl>. And what will you conclude from all this? You cannot
argue that there are really and naturally no colours on objects:
because by artificial managements they may be altered, or made to
vanish.
<Phil>. I think it may evidently be concluded from your own
concessions, that all the colours we see with our naked eyes are
only apparent as those on the clouds, since they vanish upon a
more close and accurate inspection which is afforded us by a
microscope. Then' as to what you say by way of prevention: {185}
I ask you whether the real and natural state of an object is
better discovered by a very sharp and piercing sight, or by one
which is less sharp?
<Hyl>. By the former without doubt.
<Phil>. Is it not plain from <Dioptrics> that microscopes
make the sight more penetrating, and represent objects as they
would appear to the eye in case it were naturally endowed with a
most exquisite sharpness?
<Hyl>. It is.
<Phil>. Consequently the microscopical representation is to
be thought that which best sets forth the real nature of the
thing, or what it is in itself. The colours, therefore, by it
perceived are more genuine and real than those perceived
otherwise.
<Hyl>. I confess there is something in what you say.
<Phil>. Besides, it is not only possible but manifest, that
there actually are animals whose eyes are by nature framed to
perceive those things which by reason of their minuteness escape
our sight. What think you of those inconceivably small animals
perceived by glasses? must we suppose they are all stark blind?
Or, in case they see, can it be imagined their sight hath not the
same use in preserving their bodies from injuries, which appears
in that of all other animals? And if it hath, is it not evident
they must see particles less than their own bodies; which will
present them with a far different view in each object from that
which strikes our senses? Even our own eyes do not always
represent objects to us after the same manner. In the jaundice
every one knows that all things seem yellow. Is it not therefore
highly probable those animals in whose eyes we discern a very
different texture from that of ours, and whose bodies abound with
different humours, do not see the same colours in every object
that we do? From all which, should it not seem to follow that all
colours are equally apparent, and that none of those which we
perceive are really inherent in any outward object?
Random gibberish, very eloquently put but really just a statement on our senses and colour study
doesn't really prove or disprove anything.
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i take it that you have not read his philosophy. you should. heres a snippet:
<Phil>. I say it is nothing to the purpose. Our discourse
proceeded altogether concerning sensible things, which you
defined to be, <the things we immediately perceive by our
senses>. Whatever other qualities, therefore, you speak of as
distinct from these, I know nothing of them, neither do they at
all belong to the point in dispute. You may, indeed, pretend to
have discovered certain qualities which you do not perceive, and
assert those insensible qualities exist in fire and sugar. But
what use can be made of this to your present purpose, I am at a
loss to conceive. Tell me then once more, do you acknowledge that
heat and cold, sweetness and bitterness (meaning those qualities
which are perceived by the senses), do not exist without the
mind?
and another
<Phil>. Pray, is your corporeal substance either a sensible
quality, or made up of sensible qualities?
<Hyl>. What a question that is! who ever thought it was?
<Phil>. My reason for asking was, because in saying, <each
visible object hath that colour which we see in it>, you make
visible objects to be corporeal substances; which implies either
that corporeal substances are sensible qualities, or else that
there is something besides sensible qualities perceived by sight:
but, as this point was formerly agreed between us, and is still
maintained by you, it is a clear consequence, that your
<corporeal substance> is nothing distinct from <sensible
qualities>. {184}
what is so great about this? he is refering to the mind as some immaterial object? the mind or me is the brain, the sense organs are actually sensing the object, not the mind. Also, there are things we can detect that cannot be detected by our senses, like parts of the electromagnetic spectrum, this guy strikes me as a moron to be honest. The mind is the brain, without perception those things would still exist, if i lose my sight does color disappear? well to me they do but clearly they do not to other people, there goes his insight. We would have no way of saying anything existed if we had no perceptions, the point he is making, i see it as a meaningless point, obviously there may be things beyond our perception, but it is pure speculation and is a faith based stance to actively believe there is.
most of the things beyond our perception have been discovered in the universe, this is because they interact with matter, forces, energy, dark matter, all can be perceived via there effects and predictions made. Suggesting things may exist beyond our senses is fine, but it still has to fit the criteria of this material world, if not, you have to explain how and the mechanism. Dualism is dead.
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what is so great about this? he is refering to the mind as some immaterial object? the mind or me is the brain, the sense organs are actually sensing the object, not the mind. Also, there are things we can detect that cannot be detected by our senses, like parts of the electromagnetic spectrum, this guy strikes me as a moron to be honest. The mind is the brain, without perception those things would still exist, if i lose my sight does color disappear? well to me they do but clearly they do not to other people, there goes his insight. We would have no way of saying anything existed if we had no perceptions, the point he is making, i see it as a meaningless point, obviously there may be things beyond our perception, but it is pure speculation and is a faith based stance to actively believe there is.
most of the things beyond our perception have been discovered in the universe, this is because they interact with matter, forces, energy, dark matter, all can be perceived via there effects and predictions made. Suggesting things may exist beyond our senses is fine, but it still has to fit the criteria of this material world, if not, you have to explain how and the mechanism. Dualism is dead.
you percieve color, and if you dont, then someone else will.
but if you look at that same color under a microscope, there is no color at all.
atoms dont have colors. :)
what exactly is color? it is something we see, light bounces off of an object to us and we see a certain color... every object absorbs certain colors and reflects certain colors of the light that hits it. what exactly is that object ? and if there are no eyes looking, then it is colorless...although it has properties inside of it that would make it appear to have color to a perciever if present. but the color itself doesnt exist, only within our minds does it.
and the same is true for all material.
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you percieve color, and if you dont, then someone else will.
but if you look at that same color under a microscope, there is no color at all.
atoms dont have colors. :)
what exactly is color? it is something we see, light bounces off of an object to us and we see a certain color... every object absorbs certain colors and reflects certain colors of the light that hits it. what exactly is that object ? and if there are no eyes looking, then it is colorless...although it has properties inside of it that would make it appear to have color to a perciever if present. but the color itself doesnt exist, only within our minds does it.
and the same is true for all material.
vagina is good....
bench
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vagina is good....
bench
indeed
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you percieve color, and if you dont, then someone else will.
but if you look at that same color under a microscope, there is no color at all.
atoms dont have colors. :)
what exactly is color? it is something we see, light bounces off of an object to us and we see a certain color... every object absorbs certain colors and reflects certain colors of the light that hits it. what exactly is that object ? and if there are no eyes looking, then it is colorless...although it has properties inside of it that would make it appear to have color to a perciever if present. but the color itself doesnt exist, only within our minds does it.
and the same is true for all material.
OMG LOLCAUST, how many molecules of H20 until they become wet?
logic falls apart at the quantum level, it is "spooky" it accounts for much of what you think needs explanation. Shifts in perception change just that, the perception, what is so hard to comprehend about that? Stuff under a microscope has color, not sure what you are referring to there, perhaps electron microscope.
the fact is its still material, the very hint of immaterial makes nosense. An immaterial thing, is a contradictory term, since thing is jargon for material. You cant even start taking about it, only about what it isnt, which makes in pointless.
I see rebuttals to all your arguments in these pages, why do you insist there is a god? is it for personal reasons?
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OMG LOLCAUST, how many molecules of H20 until they become wet?
logic falls apart at the quantum level, it is "spooky" it accounts for much of what you think needs explanation. Shifts in perception change just that, the perception, what is so hard to comprehend about that? Stuff under a microscope has color, not sure what you are referring to there, perhaps electron microscope.
the fact is its still material, the very hint of immaterial makes nosense. An immaterial thing, is a contradictory term, since thing is jargon for material. You cant even start taking about it, only about what it isnt, which makes in pointless.
I see rebuttals to all your arguments in these pages, why do you insist there is a god? is it for personal reasons?
thats just it.. there is no such thing as material. the idea of it is nonsensical. "solid" is an illusion.
are you familiar with e=mc2...? material is just energy.. energy giving off signals for percievers who go where the energy is... there is no solid, only perceptions of solidness. the idea of solid is implausible. by definition any solid thing is infinitely divisible. :)
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no.I'm asking...how about you?if your lord and Saviour told you to kill your own child would you?or would you go against your god's wishes?....
I don't believe God will ever going to say that.. He did asked me to break up with my girlfriend (now ex.) and I did... but never He will ask anyone to take another life.
It is not Biblical.. One thing, the Bible is complete and there is no need to add new things in the Bible..
There is absolutely no way a person would say "I received a revelation from God telling me to kill my children".. There can be only 2 things
1) That guy is delusional and used by Satan (which Jesus did say that in the Bible)
2) Does not believe in the God that I serve and love - The God in the Bible
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I don't believe God will ever going to say that.. He did asked me to break up with my girlfriend (now ex.) and I did... but never He will ask anyone to take another life.
It is not Biblical.. One thing, the Bible is complete and there is no need to add new things in the Bible..
There is absolutely no way a person would say "I received a revelation from God telling me to kill my children".. There can be only 2 things
1) That guy is delusional and used by Satan (which Jesus did say that in the Bible)
2) Does not believe in the God that I serve and love - The God in the Bible
and yet what you dismiss "IS" in your bible
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LOL @ jesus followers.
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I don't believe God will ever going to say that.. He did asked me to break up with my girlfriend (now ex.) and I did... but never He will ask anyone to take another life.
It is not Biblical.. One thing, the Bible is complete and there is no need to add new things in the Bible..
There is absolutely no way a person would say "I received a revelation from God telling me to kill my children".. There can be only 2 things
1) That guy is delusional and used by Satan (which Jesus did say that in the Bible)
2) Does not believe in the God that I serve and love - The God in the Bible
How totally awesome that YOU out of all those people happen to believe in the right god. ::)
Kill yourself.
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LOL @ jesus followers.
Dude, read the new testament. find one with red highlighting for the words of Jesus.
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Kill yourself.
why haven't you?
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and yet a simple yes or no question cannot be answered...can't say I'm surprised...
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why haven't you?
I have little sanity still left in me.
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thats just it.. there is no such thing as material. the idea of it is nonsensical. "solid" is an illusion.
are you familiar with e=mc2...? material is just energy.. energy giving off signals for percievers who go where the energy is... there is no solid, only perceptions of solidness. the idea of solid is implausible. by definition any solid thing is infinitely divisible. :)
Do you make this up as you go along?
I honestly hope no one believes this sort of disingenuous misinformation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model
Gotta fly, but you really need to catch up with the current state of quantum physics and learn what has been going on the last 25 years.
It really does appear Spinoza was correct, as corroborated with current scientific observation, when he stated God exists only philosophically and that God was abstract and impersonal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza
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Tbombz...this is for you.
I'm not expecting a well balanced or coherent response from you, but I have some time to kill while smoking my cigar.
These are typical arguments from theists why god exists.
...from the God Delusion by Dawkins
The incomplete devastation argument:
"A plane crash where dozens of people die and one or 2 people survive with burns and injuries" ...therefore God must exist!
The emotional blackmail argument:
"God loves you! He does! How can you be so heartless to not believe?" ...therefore god exists!
The non belief argument:
"The majority of the world's population are non believers in Christ! This is what satan intended!" Therefore god exists
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He usually just quotes a few of these common arguments.
- The cosmological argument argues that there was a "first cause", or "prime mover" who is identified as God. It starts with a claim about the world, like its containing entities or motion.
- The teleological argument argues that the universe's order and complexity are best explained by reference to a creator God. It starts with a rather more complicated claim about the world, i.e. that it exhibits order and design. This argument has two versions: One based on the analogy of design and designer, the other arguing that goals can only occur in minds.
- The ontological argument is based on arguments about a "being greater than which cannot be conceived". It starts simply with a concept of God.Avicenna, St. Anselm of Canterbury and Alvin Plantinga formulated this argument to show that if it is logically possible for God (a necessary being) to exist, then God exists.
- The argument from degree, a version of the ontological argument posited by Aquinas, states that there must exist a being which possesses all properties to the maximum possible degree.
- Arguments that a non-physical quality observed in the universe is of fundamental importance and not an epiphenomenon, such as Morality (Argument from morality), Beauty (Argument from beauty), Love (Argument from love), or religious experience (Argument from religious experience), are arguments for theism as against materialism.
- The anthropic argument suggests that basic facts, such as our existence, are best explained by the existence of God.
- The moral argument argues that the existence of objective morality depends on the existence of God.
- The transcendental argument suggests that logic, science, ethics, and other things we take seriously do not make sense in the absence of God, and that atheistic arguments must ultimately refute themselves if pressed with rigorous consistency.
- The will to believe doctrine was pragmatist philosopher William James' attempt to prove God by showing that the adoption of theism as a hypothesis "works" in a believer's life. This doctrine depended heavily on James' pragmatic theory of truth where beliefs are proven by how they work when adopted rather than by proofs before they are believed (a form of the hypothetico-deductive method).
- The Argument from Reason holds that if, as thoroughgoing naturalism entails, all of our thoughts are the effect of a physical cause, then we have no reason for assuming that they are also the consequent of a reasonable ground. Knowledge, however, is apprehended by reasoning from ground to consequent. Therefore, if naturalism were true, there would be no way of knowing it — or anything else not the direct result of a physical cause — and we could not even suppose it, except by a fluke.
- Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theory holds that the universe is bound to ultimately end in a Big Crunch, which will create a gravitational singularity that can be exploited to obtain practically infinite computational capacity; Tipler equates this final singularity and its state of infinite information capacity to God
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thats just it.. there is no such thing as material. the idea of it is nonsensical. "solid" is an illusion.
are you familiar with e=mc2...? material is just energy.. energy giving off signals for percievers who go where the energy is... there is no solid, only perceptions of solidness. the idea of solid is implausible. by definition any solid thing is infinitely divisible. :)
the idea of material is nonsensical? lol, energy is solid, its a form of matter, it can be measured ie material. Light for example is composed of photons, again, measurable. In the early stages of the universe in the planck epoch, baryonic matter was active. Matter is everything. We would have no concept of energy if it was immaterial, it couldnt be measured, perceived, altered, predicted. There is no such thing as an immaterial thing, nothing is immaterial. Name one thing that is?
seriously, i haven't read quantum physics in about 4 years, i have other studies i need to attend to but you have a misunderstanding here.
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the idea of material is nonsensical? lol, energy is solid, its a form of matter, it can be measured ie material. Light for example is composed of photons, again, measurable. In the early stages of the universe in the planck epoch, baryonic matter was active. Matter is everything. We would have no concept of energy if it was immaterial, it couldnt be measured, perceived, altered, predicted. There is no such thing as an immaterial thing, nothing is immaterial. Name one thing that is?
seriously, i haven't read quantum physics in about 4 years, i have other studies i need to attend to but you have a misunderstanding here.
Yes.
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Yes.
did you have another account on here, about wikipedia by any chance?
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Do you make this up as you go along?
I honestly hope no one believes this sort of disingenuous misinformation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model
Gotta fly, but you really need to catch up with the current state of quantum physics and learn what has been going on the last 25 years.
It really does appear Spinoza was correct, as corroborated with current scientific observation, when he stated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza
matter is something that has mass and takes up space. anything which has mass and takes up space can be represented numerically. every number is infinitely divisibel. thus, every peice of matter, and whatever numeric unit you can find to represent it, are infinitely divisible.
As for spinoza, did you not read the beginning of the thread? I related spinoza to necrosis when i informed him that based upon what he was writing that he was probably a pantheist
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the idea of material is nonsensical? lol, energy is solid, its a form of matter, it can be measured ie material. Light for example is composed of photons, again, measurable. In the early stages of the universe in the planck epoch, baryonic matter was active. Matter is everything. We would have no concept of energy if it was immaterial, it couldnt be measured, perceived, altered, predicted. There is no such thing as an immaterial thing, nothing is immaterial. Name one thing that is?
seriously, i haven't read quantum physics in about 4 years, i have other studies i need to attend to but you have a misunderstanding here.
read my previous post to yngiwe
there is only one thing and it is spirit. but that is beyond the scope of logical argumentation, and since I have only been recieved when I put forth logical, deductive arguments... Its not really soemthing I will go deeper into, not that I could anyways. ;D
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Imagine being an anthropologist and coming across this shit. Try thinking about this objectively...which is hard for the theists.
In the time of our ancestors a man was born to a virgin with no biological father.
This same fatherless man called out to a man who has been dead long enough to stink and ordered him to rise up...and this man came back to life.
The fatherless man after being dead for 3 days came back to life.
This same man without food or water for 40 days went to the top of a hill and and disappeared into the sky.
This guy can hear the thoughts of hundreds of millions of people and sometimes may act on those thoughts.
This same man can see what you and other hundreds of millions of other people are doing at all times.
What the fuck? Seriously. Who in their right mind can believe in such a fairy tale?
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Tbombz...this is for you.
I'm not expecting a well balanced or coherent response from you, but I have some time to kill while smoking my cigar.
These are typical arguments from theists why god exists.
...from the God Delusion by Dawkins
The incomplete devastation argument:
"A plane crash where dozens of people die and one or 2 people survive with burns and injuries" ...therefore God must exist!
The emotional blackmail argument:
"God loves you! He does! How can you be so heartless to not believe?" ...therefore god exists!
The non belief argument:
"The majority of the world's population are non believers in Christ! This is what satan intended!" Therefore god exists
this post is completely void of any meaning nor does it contribute anything to the thread.. expand upon it if there is a questions or argument somewhere in there... and remember, you may think those are the standard arguments, but they are not ones I have given, so do not expect me to argue with you over things I never mentioned nor believe are sound
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Imagine being an anthropologist and coming across this shit. Try thinking about this objectively...which is hard for the theists.
In the time of our ancestors a man was born to a virgin with no biological father.
This same fatherless man called out to a man who has been dead long enough to stink and ordered him to rise up...and this man came back to life.
The fatherless man after being dead for 3 days came back to life.
This same man without food or water for 40 days went to the top of a hill and and disappeared into the sky.
This guy can hear the thoughts of hundreds of millions of people and sometimes may act on those thoughts.
This same man can see what you and other hundreds of millions of other people are doing at all times.
What the fuck? Seriously. Who in their right mind can believe in such a fairy tale?
Youve got it mixed up in parts. :)
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He usually just quotes a few of these common arguments.
- The cosmological argument argues that there was a "first cause", or "prime mover" who is identified as God. It starts with a claim about the world, like its containing entities or motion.
- The teleological argument argues that the universe's order and complexity are best explained by reference to a creator God. It starts with a rather more complicated claim about the world, i.e. that it exhibits order and design. This argument has two versions: One based on the analogy of design and designer, the other arguing that goals can only occur in minds.
- The ontological argument is based on arguments about a "being greater than which cannot be conceived". It starts simply with a concept of God.Avicenna, St. Anselm of Canterbury and Alvin Plantinga formulated this argument to show that if it is logically possible for God (a necessary being) to exist, then God exists.
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- Arguments that a non-physical quality observed in the universe is of fundamental importance and not an epiphenomenon, such as Morality (Argument from morality), Beauty (Argument from beauty), Love (Argument from love), or religious experience (Argument from religious experience), are arguments for theism as against materialism.
- The anthropic argument suggests that basic facts, such as our existence, are best explained by the existence of God.
- The will to believe doctrine was pragmatist philosopher William James' attempt to prove God by showing that the adoption of theism as a hypothesis "works" in a believer's life. This doctrine depended heavily on James' pragmatic theory of truth where beliefs are proven by how they work when adopted rather than by proofs before they are believed (a form of the hypothetico-deductive method).
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He usually just quotes a few of these common arguments.
- The cosmological argument argues that there was a "first cause", or "prime mover" who is identified as God. It starts with a claim about the world, like its containing entities or motion.
- The teleological argument argues that the universe's order and complexity are best explained by reference to a creator God. It starts with a rather more complicated claim about the world, i.e. that it exhibits order and design. This argument has two versions: One based on the analogy of design and designer, the other arguing that goals can only occur in minds.
- The ontological argument is based on arguments about a "being greater than which cannot be conceived". It starts simply with a concept of God.Avicenna, St. Anselm of Canterbury and Alvin Plantinga formulated this argument to show that if it is logically possible for God (a necessary being) to exist, then God exists.
- The argument from degree, a version of the ontological argument posited by Aquinas, states that there must exist a being which possesses all properties to the maximum possible degree.
- Arguments that a non-physical quality observed in the universe is of fundamental importance and not an epiphenomenon, such as Morality (Argument from morality), Beauty (Argument from beauty), Love (Argument from love), or religious experience (Argument from religious experience), are arguments for theism as against materialism.
- The anthropic argument suggests that basic facts, such as our existence, are best explained by the existence of God.
- The moral argument argues that the existence of objective morality depends on the existence of God.
- The transcendental argument suggests that logic, science, ethics, and other things we take seriously do not make sense in the absence of God, and that atheistic arguments must ultimately refute themselves if pressed with rigorous consistency.
- The will to believe doctrine was pragmatist philosopher William James' attempt to prove God by showing that the adoption of theism as a hypothesis "works" in a believer's life. This doctrine depended heavily on James' pragmatic theory of truth where beliefs are proven by how they work when adopted rather than by proofs before they are believed (a form of the hypothetico-deductive method).
- The Argument from Reason holds that if, as thoroughgoing naturalism entails, all of our thoughts are the effect of a physical cause, then we have no reason for assuming that they are also the consequent of a reasonable ground. Knowledge, however, is apprehended by reasoning from ground to consequent. Therefore, if naturalism were true, there would be no way of knowing it — or anything else not the direct result of a physical cause — and we could not even suppose it, except by a fluke.
- Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theory holds that the universe is bound to ultimately end in a Big Crunch, which will create a gravitational singularity that can be exploited to obtain practically infinite computational capacity; Tipler equates this final singularity and its state of infinite information capacity to God
Hahahaha! Yes!
Think how far the field of science and physics would have come if every question and problem that came up that a scientist who couldn't answer a question chalked it up to god. You still would have people trying to make gold in labs out of lead.
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read my previous post to yngiwe
there is only one thing and it is spirit. but that is beyond the scope of logical argumentation, and since I have only been recieved when I put forth logical, deductive arguments... Its not really soemthing I will go deeper into, not that I could anyways. ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocin
;D
Got any to spare?
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Youve got it mixed up in parts. :)
What is mixed up? I guess I should have said that fairytale is not in chronological order...just random excerpts.
It's like reading science fiction.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocin
;D
Got any to spare?
havent had any in almost a year.. wish i did.. :)
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havent had any in almost a year.. wish i did.. :)
;D
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YngiweRhoads reads the wikipedia every friggin day, a great deal of it he does not understand, but the word of science moves him to tears, and words like - disingenuous misinformation, the current state of quantum physics, the cosmological argument argues, everything we know about the universe indicates it is uncaused and modern physics has soundly refuted metaphysical meanderings he pronounces with a sweet flutter at his heart. He has a slavish reverence for scientists and a complete lack of any desire for independent thought. YngiweRhoads is ready to argue with you till the last judgement. He won't do anything striking and there will be no YngiweRhoads's proof as to whether does God exist or not nor to anything else of the word of science. He ain't no Grigoriy Perelman. YngiweRhoads works from morning to night, reads a lot, remembers well everything he has read -- and in that way he is not a man, but pure gold; in all else he is a carthorse or, in other words, a learned dullard. The carthorse characteristics that show his lack of talent are these: his outlook is narrow and sharply limited by the word of science. When he eats he munches loudly, disgustingly, emitting sounds from his nose, while his eyes grow oily and rapacious and it's inbetween the reading sessions. It must be supposed that reading Wikipedia is one of his morbid habits, though he falls upon anything that come into his hands with equal avidity, even last year's newspapers and calendars, only it would have been something about science. That's his life! In other words if he died today no one would notice his absence tomorrow
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Hahahaha! Yes!
Think how far the field of science and physics would have come if every question and problem that came up that a scientist who couldn't answer a question chalked it up to god. You still would have people trying to make gold in labs out of lead.
LOL, or if scientists left their ideas, discoveries and theories to 'faith' and did not bother proving them in laboratory settings ::) ::)
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LOL, or if scientists left their ideas, discoveries and theories to 'faith' and did not bother proving them in laboratory settings ::) ::)
LOl, or if there were at least one scientist who could have proved that Hitler does not abide in Hell. That would be awesome! I mean solid proof in laboratoty setting
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LOl, or if there were at least one scientist who could have proved that Hitler does not abide in Hell. That would be awesome! I mean solid proof in laboratoty setting
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What is your obsession with Hitler and hell!!?? there are far worse tyrants and dictators then Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong.. why do you keep singling out Hitler !?!?
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What is your obsession with Hitler and hell!!?? there are far worse tyrants and dictators then Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong.. why do you keep singling out Hitler !?!?
It's irrelevant whether it's Hitler or Kim Jong, what's relevant is the proof. Once it's proved hell or paradise don't exist after life, then all the cristianity goes out of window.
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It's irrelevant whether it's Hitler or Kim Jong, what's relevant is the proof. Once it's proved hell or paradise don't exist after life, then all the cristianity goes out of window.
Well science is getting closer and closer.. last week science proved that the light at the end of the tunnel and near death experiences or feeling of 'ascending to heaven' are a byproduct of your bodies chemistry, namely c02 in the blood.
http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2010/04/higher_carbon_dioxide_levels_in_blood_linked_to_ne.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+houstonchronicle%2Fsciguy+%28SciGuy%29
It will be a matter of years before god is completely disproven by science.
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Well science is getting closer and closer.. last week science proved that the light at the end of the tunnel and near death experiences or feeling of 'ascending to heaven' are a byproduct of your bodies chemistry, namely c02 in the blood.
http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2010/04/higher_carbon_dioxide_levels_in_blood_linked_to_ne.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+houstonchronicle%2Fsciguy+%28SciGuy%29
It will be a matter of years before god is completely disproven by science.
Are you a real deal IDIOT or just pretend? What it shows is that only what happens in your brain pre death and that's it.
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There is no such thing as an immaterial thing, nothing is immaterial. Name one thing that is?
Thought :-X
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Are you a real deal IDIOT or just pretend? What it shows is that only what happens in your brain pre death and that's it.
Seriously dude, the only idiot here is you..consistently, all you do is spew insults and bash people try presenting SOME FACTS like the rest of us have done instead of the same rthetoric over and over , this is you: 'you are complete idiot that spends days on wikipedia but does not understand common link between man and god, why has science not proven that hitler is resting in hell' you sound like a retarded Russian immigrant, fresh off the boat with his grade 1 english level repeating the same garbage over and over.. I'm sure your reply to this will be 'very intelligent' and fillled with lots of obscenities referencing how I'm an 'idiot' and how my educated aristocratic parents should have killed me...which you've already posted 4 times, do you seriously know how to write anything that makes sense!??! and is fresh, interesting and original?!
like your god, everythign that comes out of you is like a broken record player on repeat.
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funny....no rebuttal to the points in these vids because there spot on and show how absurd the shit is...
oh...and still no answer to my question...
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Seriously dude, the only idiot here is you..consistently, all you do is spew insults and bash people try presenting SOME FACTS like the rest of us have done instead of the same rthetoric over and over , this is you: 'you are complete idiot that spends days on wikipedia but does not understand common link between man and god, why has science not proven that hitler is resting in hell' you sound like a retarded Russian immigrant, fresh off the boat with his grade 1 english level repeating the same garbage over and over.. I'm sure your reply to this will be 'very intelligent' and fillled with lots of obscenities referencing how I'm an 'idiot' and how my educated aristocratic parents should have killed me...which you've already posted 4 times, do you seriously know how to write anything that makes sense!??! and is fresh, interesting and original?!
like your god, everythign that comes out of you is like a broken record player on repeat.
He's a gimmick dude. I don't bother responding to his idiocy.
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I'm sure your reply to this will be 'very intelligent' and fillled with lots of obscenities referencing how I'm an 'idiot' and how my educated aristocratic parents should have killed me...
No. Your aristocratic parents shouldn't have borne you. Your mother has given birth to an idiot!!!
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He's a gimmick dude. I don't bother responding to his idiocy.
YngiweRhoads reads the wikipedia every friggin day, a great deal of it he does not understand, but the word of science moves him to tears, and words like - disingenuous misinformation, the current state of quantum physics, the cosmological argument argues, everything we know about the universe indicates it is uncaused and modern physics has soundly refuted metaphysical meanderings he pronounces with a sweet flutter at his heart. He has a slavish reverence for scientists and a complete lack of any desire for independent thought. YngiweRhoads is ready to argue with you till the last judgement. He won't do anything striking and there will be no YngiweRhoads's proof as to whether does God exist or not nor to anything else of the word of science. He ain't no Grigoriy Perelman. YngiweRhoads works from morning to night, reads a lot, remembers well everything he has read -- and in that way he is not a man, but pure gold; in all else he is a carthorse or, in other words, a learned dullard. The carthorse characteristics that show his lack of talent are these: his outlook is narrow and sharply limited by the word of science. When he eats he munches loudly, disgustingly, emitting sounds from his nose, while his eyes grow oily and rapacious and it's inbetween the reading sessions. It must be supposed that reading Wikipedia is one of his morbid habits, though he falls upon anything that come into his hands with equal avidity, even last year's newspapers and calendars, only it would have been something about science. That's his life! In other words if he died today no one would notice his absence tomorrow
Sorry couldn't abstain, can't stop laughing
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YngiweRhoads reads the wikipedia every friggin day, a great deal of it he does not understand, but the word of science moves him to tears, and words like - disingenuous misinformation, the current state of quantum physics, the cosmological argument argues, everything we know about the universe indicates it is uncaused and modern physics has soundly refuted metaphysical meanderings he pronounces with a sweet flutter at his heart. He has a slavish reverence for scientists and a complete lack of any desire for independent thought. YngiweRhoads is ready to argue with you till the last judgement. He won't do anything striking and there will be no YngiweRhoads's proof as to whether does God exist or not nor to anything else of the word of science. He ain't no Grigoriy Perelman. YngiweRhoads works from morning to night, reads a lot, remembers well everything he has read -- and in that way he is not a man, but pure gold; in all else he is a carthorse or, in other words, a learned dullard. The carthorse characteristics that show his lack of talent are these: his outlook is narrow and sharply limited by the word of science. When he eats he munches loudly, disgustingly, emitting sounds from his nose, while his eyes grow oily and rapacious and it's inbetween the reading sessions. It must be supposed that reading Wikipedia is one of his morbid habits, though he falls upon anything that come into his hands with equal avidity, even last year's newspapers and calendars, only it would have been something about science. That's his life! In other words if he died today no one would notice his absence tomorrow
Sorry couldn't abstain, can't stop laughing
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The only idiot in this thread is you, go leanr some English while you're at it and stop repeating yourself like a broken record player.
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It wasn't referencing to you IDIOT. The one for you was post above. Read "The IDIOT" by Fedor Dostoevskiy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Idiot (read it in Russian, translations suck and untrue, I know you know russian) you may do learn something, untill then you may do continue to converse with yourself. I'm done with you Idiot!
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Necrisis you were saying that - There is no such thing as an immaterial thing, nothing is immaterial. Name one thing that is? There was a suggestion that "Thought" is. It exists but an immaterial. Care to comment?
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Dead since 1955 Einstein material or immaterial? :-X Since he's being a long while dead and most likely immaterial how the FUCK (what does The and Fuck mean in English???) can he still exist in your fragile and sick mind.
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Necrisis you were saying that - There is no such thing as an immaterial thing, nothing is immaterial. Name one thing that is? There was a suggestion that "Thought" is. It exists but an immaterial. Care to comment?
i know you are a troll, but for the benefit of the others who believe in dualism, thought is a process of the mind, not a thing. Its like migration, birds migrate but you wouldnt say migration is immaterial. Also, its like taking a picture of the ocean, similar to a thought it contains data on a thing, the ocean, however if you open the camera much like the brain no water will spill out.
i dont get gimmicks on this site, there have been a few that were funny, soundless and the piss thing, but to spend this much time trying to troll on religion? must be a boring life. regardless carry on.
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thought is a process of the mind, not a thing.
Thing (n.) Whatever exists, or is conceived to exist, as a separate entity, whether animate or inanimate; any separable or distinguishable object of
thought.
ps Not back awhile I pm'ed Tbombz as to what does a gimmick mean? Phobe number#? Now what does a troll mean? The one who cause trouble?
A bit later my friend, I love you
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I mean if I don't post in 3 - 7 days I'm busy
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funny....no rebuttal to the points in these vids because there spot on and show how absurd the shit is...
oh...and still no answer to my question...
PLEASE!!! The rebuttals to this re-hashed garbage have been cited more times than the law allows. Perhaps, we're just getting a wee bit bored with slicing up this mess, every time you, Luke, or some other loudmouth skeptic keep regurgitating it.
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YAWN!! Been there!!! Heard that!!! Dismantled it ad nauseum.
Come up with some new material!!!
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Thing (n.) Whatever exists, or is conceived to exist, as a separate entity, whether animate or inanimate; any separable or distinguishable object of
thought.
ps Not back awhile I pm'ed Tbombz as to what does a gimmick mean? Phobe number#? Now what does a troll mean? The one who cause trouble?
A bit later my friend, I love you
where is that definition from? i dont accept that definition.
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It's honestly a shame we can't have a polite, courteous thread filled with logic , facts and accurate statements, instead we have religious nutcases screaming obscenities, sluts and insults... just like the old days eh?
burn the hateful heretics! the earth is square! ::) ::)
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It's honestly a shame we can't have a polite, courteous thread filled with logic , facts and accurate statements, instead we have religious nutcases screaming obscenities, sluts and insults... just like the old days eh?
burn the hateful heretics! the earth is square! ::) ::)
Yep. Bunch of angry people 'round these parts.
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Yep. Bunch of angry people 'round these parts.
I specifically love how 'faith' seems to rule over logic and facts..
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It's honestly a shame we can't have a polite, courteous thread filled with logic , facts and accurate statements, instead we have religious nutcases screaming obscenities, sluts and insults... just like the old days eh?
burn the hateful heretics! the earth is square! ::) ::)
We can have a polite courteous thread, filled with logic, facts, and accurate statements. The problem occurs when atheists keep rehashing silly rants that have been long discussed and long refuted.
Maybe when the no-God squad comes up with some original material, business will pick up.
I specifically love how 'faith' seems to rule over logic and facts.
Correction: Faith, logic, and faith rule over skeptic bloviating and grandstanding.
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We can have a polite courteous thread, filled with logic, facts, and accurate statements. The problem occurs when atheists keep rehashing silly rants that have been long discussed and long refuted.
Maybe when the no-God squad comes up with some original material, business will pick up.
Correction: Faith, logic, and faith rule over skeptic bloviating and grandstanding.
it would be great to have a nice casual discussion without all the unnecessary bashing and slurs..
I am a man of science, I was brought up in religious family and attended church until I was 14 and started asking questions no one seemed to be able to answer. This was around the time I started getting the 'faith' treatment, you know... those answers only god is 'privy too' or have faith and you will understand. I wanted solid concrete answers not more b.s so I decided to stop attending church and started reading studying world religions, I spent about 8 years of my own time studying all the different forms of religion and cults there exist. In the end I came up with a scared bunch of people a few thousand years ago seeking answers to explain natural phenomena and also a very well devised method of control. People no longer panicked when lightning struck, now they prayed
and as long as everyone was going to church and feeding their last bit of pocket change into it, then everything was all good :)
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it would be great to have a nice casual discussion without all the unnecessary bashing and slurs..
You mean without statements like.Dear close minded religious zealot..? ::)
I am a man of science, I was brought up in religious family and attended church until I was 14 and started asking questions no one seemed to be able to answer. This was around the time I started getting the 'faith' treatment, you know... those answers only god is 'privy too' or have faith and you will understand. I wanted solid concrete answers not more b.s so I decided to stop attending church and started reading studying world religions, I spent about 8 years of my own time studying all the different forms of religion and cults there exist. In the end I came up with a scared bunch of people a few thousand years ago seeking answers to explain natural phenomena and also a very well devised method of control. People no longer panicked when lightning struck, now they prayed
and as long as everyone was going to church and feeding their last bit of pocket change into it, then everything was all good :)
Well, others have asked similar questions (including yours truly). The difference is that I (and they) got those questions ANSWERED by further inquiry and study. That (along with life's experience) is why I maintain my religious beliefs, as do others.
If you wish ot have a nice casual discussion, you can start by ceasing with the belittling of people of religious belief, which you've done repeatedly. Or, is this a simple case (as I've seen far too often) of atheists being able to dish it out but not being able to take it (as far as severe criticism is concerned).
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it would be great to have a nice casual discussion without all the unnecessary bashing and slurs..
take a quick glance at his post history and you will see it's littered with these things...Be it religion or politics it's the norm for him to bash and include slurs into his post's toward people that have the nerve to not think as he does...such a good Christian...I thought they had the moral superiority & humbleness not to stoop as low as us filthy non believers...guess not...
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You mean without statements like.Dear close minded religious zealot..? ::)
Well, others have asked similar questions (including yours truly). The difference is that I (and they) got thosey questions ANSWERED by further inquiry and study. That (along with life's experience) is why I maintain my religious beliefs, as do others.
If you wish ot have a nice casual discussion, you can start by ceasing with the belittling of people of religious belief, which you've done repeatedly. Or, is this a simple case (as I've seen far too often) of atheists being able to dish it out but not being able to take it (as far as severe criticism is concerned).
No Problem! - let's start with a clean slate.. no slurs or insults.. tell me out of curiousity, with all you've seen done by science over the years, what keeps you so firm to your faith and bible? the idea that there is a sentient omnipotent being that created our world and the life in it after his image?.
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take a quick glance at his post history and you will see it's littered with these things...Be it religion or politics it's the norm for him to bash and include slurs into his post's toward people that have the nerve to not think as he does...such a good Christian...I thought they had the moral superiority & humbleness not to stoop as low as us filthy non believers...guess not...
This isn't about whether people think the way I do or not. The issue is that blowhards like you continue to spew and vent, insulting those who are courteous to you (i.e. STella, Colossus, Loco). Then, you cry like a big sissy, when your pointless ramblings don't cut the mustard with me.
As stated earlier, you can dish out the criticism, but you can't take it. Man up for once and quit sniveling. While you're at it, come up with some new stuff, instead of the same retreaded silliness (via YouTube) that I and others have dismantled long ago.
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No Problem! - let's start with a clean slate.. no slurs or insults.. tell me out of curiousity, with all you've seen done by science over the years, what keeps you so firm to your faith and bible? the idea that there is a sentient omnipotent being that created our world and the life in it after his image?.
Science is the study and application of natural phenomena.
What I've seen "done by science over the years" is simple. Man has (to a limited degree) discovered what God has known from the ceaseless ages of time, using God's laws, God's resources, and the abilities that God gave him.
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It's honestly a shame we can't have a polite, courteous thread filled with logic , facts and accurate statements, instead we have religious nutcases screaming obscenities, sluts and insults... just like the old days eh?
burn the hateful heretics! the earth is square! ::) ::)
Since we have befriended I will respond to your idiotic question. You're a "cockroach" (no homo) to dictate or negotiate with God as to whether state - I would believe in you if you show up. You demand facts, accurate statements, logic and evidence. There is no fact nor evidence as of yet as to whether will the brick fall on your head this same evening. It will become an evidence and a fact once it has fallen. It may fall, may not, God knows what death and when you die. Your parents who have two degrees each, extremely well educated come from aristocratic families are ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS! Their god Jesus, the son of God has died a long while ago. There is no scientist in the world who could have extracted Jesus himself from the places he abides. There is no tecknology, no knowledge, absolutely nothing. Unless it would have been done for a long while and science proved - there is no God.
You see I didn't call you an idiot, I try to be polite.
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Since we have befriended I will respond to your idiotic question. You're a "cockroach"
another classic response from a morally Superior Christian...
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Science is the study and application of natural phenomena.
What I've seen "done by science over the years" is simple. Man has (to a limited degree) discovered what God has known from the ceaseless ages of time, using God's laws, God's resources, and the abilities that God gave him.
maybe thor put it there, maybe we are in the matrix and this is a computer program, maybe we are in a holographic universe, perhaps you are just dreaming and none of this exists, all just as likely as the scenario you put forth. Perhaps witholding assumptions that are unfounded are the best bet? then observe reality a bit maybe?
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another classic response from a morally Superior Christian...
You don't want to be called a cockroach? Accept the God and don't die as a cockroach a non believer
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maybe thor put it there, maybe we are in the matrix and this is a computer program, maybe we are in a holographic universe, perhaps you are just dreaming and none of this exists, all just as likely as the scenario you put forth. Perhaps witholding assumptions that are unfounded are the best bet? then observe reality a bit maybe?
Hollywood!
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maybe thor put it there, maybe we are in the matrix and this is a computer program, maybe we are in a holographic universe, perhaps you are just dreaming and none of this exists, all just as likely as the scenario you put forth. Perhaps witholding assumptions that are unfounded are the best bet? then observe reality a bit maybe?
GOOD POINT.
whats is the best possible explanation for this existence?
would you say that its more probable that existence is absolutely uncaused and pointless, consisting of nothing but energy and matter and things made up of the two....
or is it more probable that God created it?
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i know you are a troll, but for the benefit of the others who believe in dualism, thought is a process of the mind, not a thing. Its like migration, birds migrate but you wouldnt say migration is immaterial. Also, its like taking a picture of the ocean, similar to a thought it contains data on a thing, the ocean, however if you open the camera much like the brain no water will spill out.
i dont get gimmicks on this site, there have been a few that were funny, soundless and the piss thing, but to spend this much time trying to troll on religion? must be a boring life. regardless carry on.
necrosis its obvious you have thought this out and came to some very skeptical conclusions on things.
sometimes things dont come to you, you have to go to them.
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GOOD POINT.
whats is the best possible explanation for this existence?
would you say that its more probable that existence is absolutely uncaused and pointless, consisting of nothing but energy and matter and things made up of the two....
or is it more probable that God created it?
the uncaused thing would apply to god as well, and life is made pointless if it is eternal not the other way around. If your life is eternal then nothing you do matters here and now, that is the definiton of pointless.
one has evidence the other has none and requires very strong evidence, which do you think is more probable?
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the uncaused thing would apply to god as well, and life is made pointless if it is eternal not the other way around. If your life is eternal then nothing you do matters here and now, that is the definiton of pointless.
one has evidence the other has none and requires very strong evidence, which do you think is more probable?
what has evidence exactly? your claiming atheism has evidence. there is zero evidence for atheism. evidence for science, yes. not atheism.
would life have a meaning if life was an illusion? if there is no God, no trace of you after yoru gone, no after life, just an eternal energy/mass that occasionally evolves into living things that think as a function of their survival...
if your mind, your thoughts, your self was just a memory of everything you have experienced and YOU actually dont exist at all, just thoughts in a brain.
if that was true... and energy was eternal... and there was just occasional life that would die out and every few trillion mellenia another few planets would have developed life... all the while each one of those intelligent life forms dont actually possess any identity, and are just passing occurences...
wouldnt your life be completely meaningless and inconsequential?
mean, eternity is forever. thats an infinite amount more time than your entire life span, no matter how long it is. so if the time while you dont exist(not that you ever actually exist at all anyways) is infinitely greater than the time period that you do "exist"...
wouldnt your life be completely inconsequential? what are you waiting for... get to the good part already, kill yourself?
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do you feel like dying?
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what has evidence exactly? your claiming atheism has evidence. there is zero evidence for atheism. evidence for science, yes. not atheism.
would life have a meaning if life was an illusion? if there is no God, no trace of you after yoru gone, no after life, just an eternal energy/mass that occasionally evolves into living things that think as a function of their survival...
if your mind, your thoughts, your self was just a memory of everything you have experienced and YOU actually dont exist at all, just thoughts in a brain.
if that was true... and energy was eternal... and there was just occasional life that would die out and every few trillion mellenia another few planets would have developed life... all the while each one of those intelligent life forms dont actually possess any identity, and are just passing occurences...
wouldnt your life be completely meaningless and inconsequential?
mean, eternity is forever. thats an infinite amount more time than your entire life span, no matter how long it is. so if the time while you dont exist(not that you ever actually exist at all anyways) is infinitely greater than the time period that you do "exist"...
wouldnt your life be completely inconsequential? what are you waiting for... get to the good part already, kill yourself?
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do you feel like dying?
atheism requires no evidence, its the lack of a belief, you also cant prove a negative. Its like i was an aunicornist, i dont need evidence that unicorns don't exist not to believe in them, lack of positive evidence is all i need.
"would life have a meaning if life was an illusion? if there is no God, no trace of you after yoru gone, no after life, just an eternal energy/mass that occasionally evolves into living things that think as a function of their survival..."
life may not have meaning, why does it have to? do you think a slug is pondering his meaning in existence? the fact that you can ask the question does not qualify it's truth or right to be asked. You can inject meaning into your life, the need for an external motivator makes no sense.
"if that was true... and energy was eternal... and there was just occasional life that would die out and every few trillion mellenia another few planets would have developed life... all the while each one of those intelligent life forms dont actually possess any identity, and are just passing occurences...
wouldnt your life be completely meaningless and inconsequential"
im referring to our lives, if they are eternal nothing we do matters. If we have limited time our contributions become important.
"wouldnt your life be completely inconsequential? what are you waiting for... get to the good part already, kill yourself?
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do you feel like dying? "
shouldn't i be saying this to you, i dont believe there is a good part after you die, you do, shouldn't you kill yourself to get there faster? This is the one life i get, why would i waste my only existence by killing myself. If this is all i have then my life becomes very important to me, unlike christians, they get to live on forever, making this life meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Also, yes we are just our brains, why is that so hard to imagine.
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atheism requires no evidence, its the lack of a belief, you also cant prove a negative. Its like i was an aunicornist, i dont need evidence that unicorns don't exist not to believe in them, lack of positive evidence is all i need.
"would life have a meaning if life was an illusion? if there is no God, no trace of you after yoru gone, no after life, just an eternal energy/mass that occasionally evolves into living things that think as a function of their survival..."
life may not have meaning, why does it have to? do you think a slug is pondering his meaning in existence? the fact that you can ask the question does not qualify it's truth or right to be asked. You can inject meaning into your life, the need for an external motivator makes no sense.
"if that was true... and energy was eternal... and there was just occasional life that would die out and every few trillion mellenia another few planets would have developed life... all the while each one of those intelligent life forms dont actually possess any identity, and are just passing occurences...
wouldnt your life be completely meaningless and inconsequential"
im referring to our lives, if they are eternal nothing we do matters. If we have limited time our contributions become important.
"wouldnt your life be completely inconsequential? what are you waiting for... get to the good part already, kill yourself?
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do you feel like dying? "
shouldn't i be saying this to you, i dont believe there is a good part after you die, you do, shouldn't you kill yourself to get there faster? This is the one life i get, why would i waste my only existence by killing myself. If this is all i have then my life becomes very important to me, unlike christians, they get to live on forever, making this life meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Also, yes we are just our brains, why is that so hard to imagine.
It refers to all bullshit you have written so far. Did you choose your parents, time, age, century, gender, country, town you were born in? You did not! Hurry up with your positive contributions for humanity as you can die unexpectedly. You must agree that surely only he who hung it can cut the hair.
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It refers to all bullshit you have written so far. Did you choose your parents, time, age, century, gender, country, town you were born in? You did not! Hurry up with your positive contributions for humanity as you can die unexpectedly. You must agree that surely only he who hung it can cut the hair.
Here we go again with the same nonsensical b.s, and we're back to the chicken vs. the egg, which came first.
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Here we go again with the same nonsensical b.s, and we're back to the chicken vs. the egg, which came first.
Where is the same nonsescial b.s.? Elaborate
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shouldn't i be saying this to you, i dont believe there is a good part after you die, you do, shouldn't you kill yourself to get there faster? This is the one life i get, why would i waste my only existence by killing myself. If this is all i have then my life becomes very important to me, unlike christians, they get to live on forever, making this life meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Also, yes we are just our brains, why is that so hard to imagine.
If there is no meaning to existence, then there is no meaning to your life. throw it away on whatever you wish. spend everyday high on crystal meth in thailand fucking tranny's on the beach. or spend it making millions of dollars and become the president of the new world order. either way, both would be completely meaningless and after your death therew would be absolutely no difference. youd probably have been happyer as a meth head (maybe not tranny's if that doesnt fit your taste LOL)
as for this discussion.. we can debate the logic behind the necessity of God. although we have already went back and forth throoughly on that issue. and i think both sides have covered pretty much all the available arguments.
beyond that, a non believer has no place in any discussion about God and spirituality.. because by definition you would have absolutely notihng to add. :)
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I smell a very soon response from Necrosis
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Re: found out another good friend is NOT a CHRISTIAN!!!!
This is nothing new. About 2/3rds of the world population PROFESS to be Christian, yet, they fall short of being one. This has been the case since the beginning of Christianity.
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This is nothing new. About 2/3rds of the world population PROFESS to be Christian, yet, they fall short of being one. This has been the case since the beginning of Christianity.
Don't say it for the 2/3 of the world, say it for yourself
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Don't say it for the 2/3 of the world, say it for yourself
It doesn't matter who/how/when I say it too or for, the FACTS will remain the same. I could be inculded in the 2/3 rds. Won't change the FACTS.
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It doesn't matter who/how/when I say it too or for, the FACTS will remain the same. I could be inculded in the 2/3 rds. Won't change the FACTS.
How one falls short of being christian?
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How one falls short of being christian?
Jesus made it as simple as making a mamma's homemade apple pie, friend. If a person indeed is searching for truth, Jesus will lead you to it. He had it recorded in the Scriptures. :)
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Jesus made it as simple as making a mamma's homemade apple pie, friend. If a person indeed is searching for truth, Jesus will lead you to it. He had it recorded in the Scriptures. :)
It doesn't answer my question nor verify your prior statement
Can you elaborate more I may havent understood correct
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It doesn't answer my question nor verify your prior statement
Can you elaborate more I may havent understood correct
Sure friend! I apologize for being vague!
The Bible contains a "road map/template" on how to identify genuine Christian activity. Jesus made it easy for us to look at this "template/road map" so that we can know who his people are.
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How one falls short of being christian?
By lying, cheating, stealing...not following the 10 commandments...
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By lying, cheating, stealing...not following the 10 commandments...
There are circumstances when one lies, cheats, steals and don't realise what he does either. If one shed tears upon the earth abundantly with a wholehearted repentance God will see and forgive. Just for example
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There are circumstances when one lies, cheats, steals and don't realise what he does either. If one shed tears upon the earth abundantly with a wholehearted repentance God will see and forgive. Just for example
Excellent point, friend! So, what I'm I talking about then? If people are going to make mistakes like these you've mentioned above (even God's people), how can we determine if they are in fact God's people? Keep in mind in a prior post of mine, I mentioned that Jesus left us a "road map/template" we can follow so that we can in FACT without DOUBT, KNOW for SURE if those people are indeed His followers. Do you know how?
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There are circumstances when one lies, cheats, steals and don't realise what he does either. If one shed tears upon the earth abundantly with a wholehearted repentance God will see and forgive. Just for example
Fair enough but if someone keeps living in sin everyday (ie. drug dealer or something) and keeps asking for forgiveness at night or in church isn't that just lying to yourself?
for instance the drug dealer knows tomorrow he will do bad things, sell drugs etc. but still keeps doing them and doesn't try to change into a good person.
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Excellent point, friend! So, what I'm I talking about then? If people are going to make mistakes like these you've mentioned above (even God's people), how can we determine if they are in fact God's people? Keep in mind in a prior post of mine, I mentioned that Jesus left us a "road map/template" we can follow so that we can in FACT without DOUBT, KNOW for SURE if those people are indeed His followers. Do you know how?
God is in the heart I heard they say there is no such thing as God's people< what are you talking about :??? There is? If man keeps on repeating of making mistakes like cheating, lying, stealing and still professes that he's an adamant believer well there is may be a solution to adress him in a lunatic alylum???
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Fair enough but if someone keeps living in sin everyday (ie. drug dealer or something) and keeps asking for forgiveness at night or in church isn't that just lying to yourself?
for instance the drug dealer knows tomorrow he will do bad things, sell drugs etc. but still keeps doing them and doesn't try to change into a good person.
Selling drugs and keeping on asking for forgiveness in church? Captain it's hard to imagine, may be we hardly count 5 people around the world like this. though I may assume the next scenario - asking for forgiveness locked in a jail church. Are their churches/mosques in american jails?
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btw its not about the drug dealer who deals the dirty business and asking for forgiveness in church but more likely a woman who tasted a ton of cocks and visiting church ;)
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God is in the heart I heard they say there is no such thing as God's people< what are you talking about :??? There is? If man keeps on repeating of making mistakes like cheating, lying, stealing and still professes that he's an adamant believer well there is may be a solution to adress him in a lunatic alylum???
What about the LITERAL kingdom that God and Jesus talk about thruout the Bible?
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What about the LITERAL kingdom that God and Jesus talk about thruout the Bible?
Afterlife if you can't make it here
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I heard they say there is no such thing as God's people< what are you talking about :??? There is?
Yes, according to the teachings of the Bible. Remember in the "Old Testament" how God's chosen people were the Israelites? Fast forward to Jesus time period. Remember how Jesus said that any person could join him and his Father? So, one becomes God's people when they choose to join Him and his beloved son. The Bible speaks of two different classes of people. The Devils people and God's people. See what I'm mean? Also, do you remember when Jesus spoke of people who would be "fakes/imposters"?
So how does one know if a person truly is one of God's people? Well, Jesus left that "template/road map" I was speaking of earlier in the Bible that we can compare too, to see if a person is really indeed who they say they are. I can show you in the Bible what Jesus was/is talking about. I would be more than happy to do so, friend!
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If man keeps on repeating of making mistakes like cheating, lying, stealing and still professes that he's an adamant believer well there is may be a solution to adress him in a lunatic alylum???
Yes, you are right. It's hard to imagine that a person could keep on praticing sin after learning and accepting the teachings of Jesus. As a matter of fact, there are scriptures to back that notion up.
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Yes, you are right. It's hard to imagine that a person could keep on praticing sin after learning and accepting the teachings of Jesus. As a matter of fact, there are scriptures to back that notion up.
Damn, what about texts that described a "Jesus" like person before the bible or scriptures were thought of??? Two different cultures described a Jesus like character hundreds of years before the actual scripture was written for the christian faith....Go think on that...This isn't fantasy, but proven fact...Let your blind christian morons disprove this even though it can be proven.....
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Yes, according to the teachings of the Bible. Remember in the "Old Testament" how God's chosen people were the Israelites? Fast forward to Jesus time period. Remember how Jesus said that any person could join him and his Father? So, one becomes God's people when they choose to join Him and his beloved son. The Bible speaks of two different classes of people. The Devils people and God's people. See what I'm mean? Also, do you remember when Jesus spoke of people who would be "fakes/imposters"?
So how does one know if a person truly is one of God's people? Well, Jesus left that "template/road map" I was speaking of earlier in the Bible that we can compare too, to see if a person is really indeed who they say they are. I can show you in the Bible what Jesus was/is talking about. I would be more than happy to do so, friend!
It would have been 2 different stories to call God’s people from the man’s standpoint and from Gods. I’m looking forward to hearing from u again friend
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It would have been 2 different stories to call God’s people from the man’s standpoint and from Gods.
Yes, I feel the same way! This is why Jesus left us that template/road map I was referring too so we can get God's viewpoint on it.
I’m looking forward to hearing from u again friend
I as well dear friend!
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oh brother
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Yes, according to the teachings of the Bible. Remember in the "Old Testament" how God's chosen people were the Israelites? Fast forward to Jesus time period. Remember how Jesus said that any person could join him and his Father? So, one becomes God's people when they choose to join Him and his beloved son. The Bible speaks of two different classes of people. The Devils people and God's people. See what I'm mean? Also, do you remember when Jesus spoke of people who would be "fakes/imposters"?
So how does one know if a person truly is one of God's people? Well, Jesus left that "template/road map" I was speaking of earlier in the Bible that we can compare too, to see if a person is really indeed who they say they are. I can show you in the Bible what Jesus was/is talking about. I would be more than happy to do so, friend!
i can't believe you actually believe this bullshit
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i can't believe you actually believe this bullskate!
Well, at least it ain't littel green men! ;D
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So how does one know if a person truly is one of God's people? Well, Jesus left that "template/road map" I was speaking of earlier in the Bible that we can compare too, to see if a person is really indeed who they say they are. I can show you in the Bible what Jesus was/is talking about. I would be more than happy to do so, friend!
PROBOUND, will you please post these scriptures?
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PROBOUND, will you please post these scriptures?
I sure will hun. Give me a couple of days. It will take more than simply posting a few scriptures. This is a touchy subject for most, especially the privileged! :)
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Never understood English language what kind of friend are they talking about? Male or female? Female friends are never christian are they?
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Woman
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No fate
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I sure will hun. Give me a couple of days. It will take more than simply posting a few scriptures. This is a touchy subject for most, especially the privileged! :)
We are waiting :P
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We are waiting :P
Привет theonlyone,
Вот - begining.
Люди Отчетливо Его Собственное, Рьяный для Прекрасных Работ
Почему Бог Люди полагают, что они - во главе с Богом? Что идентифицирует их как подлинные ученики Иисуса Христа? Так как они объявляют, что Королевство Бога уже управляет от небес, для того, что далее большой случай разве они нетерпеливо сохраняют часы?
Я пошлю Вам остальных, через Премьер-министра. :)
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PROBOUND, will you please post these scriptures?
Here a some of those scriptures, Stella! Sorry it took so long. :-[
John 15:14
Galatians 5:19-21
Matt. 28:19-20
Matt. 7:1-29
Mark 7:1-37
1 cor. 1:10
Philippians 2:2
Ephesians 4:4,5
Genesis 8:18-20, 12:1-3; 26:1-4; 28:10-15
Leviticus 18:21-30
Deuteronomy 18:9-12
2 chronicles 6:32,33
Acts 8:39
Acts 8:1-8
Acts 24:15
John 13:34,35
Ephesians 1:22
1 Tim. 3:1-13
Shoot me a PM if you need commentary. Read these and see if you can find people whom are doing what these scriptures say. :)
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Not in the True religion. :)
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Would love to see the scriptures that were recorded by man 20 million years ago.....How about 1 million years ago I will make it easier....Oh well shoot, how about 500,000 years ago....????? Waiting....
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Would love to see the scriptures that were recorded by man 20 million years ago.....How about 1 million years ago I will make it easier....Oh well shoot, how about 500,000 years ago....????? Waiting....
What does it prove I may do reply ;)
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And who exactly is defining what is "right", again?
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And who exactly is defining what is "right", again?
There are no set moral rules, only a general consensus.