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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: MindSpin on April 02, 2010, 10:58:00 AM
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1. Anderson Silva
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. B.J. Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Jose Aldo
7. Mauricio Rua
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Dan Henderson
10. Dominick Cruz
I don't agree with many of these, like Cruz at 10 or Mousasi at 8, but overall it's pretty good.
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WTF...Cruz??? That is ridiculous! Mousasi is debatable. Fedor at #3 is debatable as well ;D
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1-5 I agree with but where is Nick Diaz? I put him @ 5th.
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1-5 I agree with but where is Nick Diaz? I put him @ 5th.
LOL..you're joking right ???
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I don't even know what P4P means anymore. You either can kick someone's ass or not. It is still just theoretical.
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WAMMA MEN's RANKINGS
November, 2009
Heavyweight
WAMMA Undisputed Heavyweight Champion
Fedor Emelianenko
1 Brock Lesnar
2 Frank Mir
3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4 Shane Carwin
5 Alistair Overeem
6 Randy Couture
7 Junior Dos Santos
8 Brett Rogers
9 Cain Velasquez
10 Fabricio Werdum
Also Receiving Votes Andrei Arlovski
Ben Rothwell
Gabriel Gonzaga
Light Heavyweight
1 Lyoto Machida
2 Mauricio Rua
3 Rashad Evans
4 Gergard Mousasi
5 Quinton Jackson
6 Anderson Silva
7 Forrest Griffin
8 (tie) Thiago Silva
8 (tie) Rich Franklin
10 Chuck Liddell
Also Receiving Votes Keith Jardine
Antonio Rogerio Noguiera
Wanderlei Silva
Luiz Cane
Middleweight
1 Anderson Silva
2 (tie) Dan Henderson
2 (tie) Nathan Marquardt
4 Vitor Belfort
5 Yushin Okami
6 Demian Maia
7 Robbie Lawler
8 Jorge Santiago
9 Jake Shields
10 Yoshihiro Akiyama
Also Receiving Votes Chael Sonnen
Welterweight
1 Georges St. Pierre
2 Jon Fitch
3 Thiago Alves
4 Jake Shields
5 Josh Koscheck
6 Matt Hughes
7 Mike Swick
8 Paul Thiago
9 Matt Serra
10 Carlos Condit
Also Receiving Votes Paul Daley
Martin Kampmann
Nick Diaz
Karo Parisyn
Lightweight
WAMMA Undisputed Lightweight Champion
Shinya Aoki
1 B.J.Penn
2 Eddie Alvarez
3 Diego Sanchez
4 Tatsuya Kawajiri
5 (tie) Frankie Edgar
5 (tie) Ken Florian
7 Joachim Hansen
8 Gray Maynard
9 Sean Sherk
10 Gesias Calvancate
Also Receiving Votes Tyson Griffin
Mizuto Hirota
Featherweight
1 Mike Thomas Brown
2 Urijah Faber
3 Jose Aldo
4 Hatsu Hioki
5 Wagnney Fabiano
6 Takeshi Inoue
7 Leonard Garcia
8 Bibiano Fernandes
9 Rafael Assuncao
10 Masakazu Imanari
Also Receiving Votes Joe Warren
Norifumi Yamamoto
Diego Nunes
Bantamweight
1 Brian Bowles
2 Miguel Torres
3 Masakatsu Ueda
4 Takeya Mizugaki
5 Dominick Cruz
6 Joseph Benavidez
7 Akitoshi Tamura
8 Damacio Page
9 Will Ribeiro
10 Jeff Curran
Also Receiving Votes Rani Yahya
Manny Tapia
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WAMMA MEN's RANKINGS
November, 2009
Heavyweight
WAMMA Undisputed Heavyweight Champion
Fedor Emelianenko
1 Brock Lesnar
2 Frank Mir
3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4 Shane Carwin
5 Alistair Overeem
6 Randy Couture
7 Junior Dos Santos
8 Brett Rogers
9 Cain Velasquez
10 Fabricio Werdum
Also Receiving Votes Andrei Arlovski
Ben Rothwell
Gabriel Gonzaga
Light Heavyweight
1 Lyoto Machida
2 Mauricio Rua
3 Rashad Evans
4 Gergard Mousasi
5 Quinton Jackson
6 Anderson Silva
7 Forrest Griffin
8 (tie) Thiago Silva
8 (tie) Rich Franklin
10 Chuck Liddell
Also Receiving Votes Keith Jardine
Antonio Rogerio Noguiera
Wanderlei Silva
Luiz Cane
Middleweight
1 Anderson Silva
2 (tie) Dan Henderson
2 (tie) Nathan Marquardt
4 Vitor Belfort
5 Yushin Okami
6 Demian Maia
7 Robbie Lawler
8 Jorge Santiago
9 Jake Shields
10 Yoshihiro Akiyama
Also Receiving Votes Chael Sonnen
Welterweight
1 Georges St. Pierre
2 Jon Fitch
3 Thiago Alves
4 Jake Shields
5 Josh Koscheck
6 Matt Hughes
7 Mike Swick
8 Paul Thiago
9 Matt Serra
10 Carlos Condit
Also Receiving Votes Paul Daley
Martin Kampmann
Nick Diaz
Karo Parisyn
Lightweight
WAMMA Undisputed Lightweight Champion
Shinya Aoki
1 B.J.Penn
2 Eddie Alvarez
3 Diego Sanchez
4 Tatsuya Kawajiri
5 (tie) Frankie Edgar
5 (tie) Ken Florian
7 Joachim Hansen
8 Gray Maynard
9 Sean Sherk
10 Gesias Calvancate
Also Receiving Votes Tyson Griffin
Mizuto Hirota
Featherweight
1 Mike Thomas Brown
2 Urijah Faber
3 Jose Aldo
4 Hatsu Hioki
5 Wagnney Fabiano
6 Takeshi Inoue
7 Leonard Garcia
8 Bibiano Fernandes
9 Rafael Assuncao
10 Masakazu Imanari
Also Receiving Votes Joe Warren
Norifumi Yamamoto
Diego Nunes
Bantamweight
1 Brian Bowles
2 Miguel Torres
3 Masakatsu Ueda
4 Takeya Mizugaki
5 Dominick Cruz
6 Joseph Benavidez
7 Akitoshi Tamura
8 Damacio Page
9 Will Ribeiro
10 Jeff Curran
Also Receiving Votes Rani Yahya
Manny Tapia
November 2009??? Besides these rankings are always subjective.
All MMA fans just want to see Fedor fight better talent. Werdum is hardly an opponent to challenge a #1 ranked HW.
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the ufc doesn't have the best heavyweights...
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the ufc doesn't have the best heavyweights...
Agreed. I have to imagine that Brett Rogers would beat Mir and he was considered their second best heavyweight up until a week ago.
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1. Anderson Silva
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. B.J. Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Jose Aldo
7. Mauricio Rua
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Dan Henderson
10. Dominick Cruz
I don't agree with many of these, like Cruz at 10 or Mousasi at 8, but overall it's pretty good.
i hate B.J. Penn.....but he deserves to be top five....
bench
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Agreed. I have to imagine that Brett Rogers would beat Mir and he was considered their second best heavyweight up until a week ago.
So do you think Werdum is the next best HW besides Fedor? Do you think fighting Werdum is really enough for Fedor to maintain his #1 status?
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the ufc doesn't have the best heavyweights...
According to that list, 7 of the top 10 HW fighters are in the UFC, so if that list is accurate about Fedor being #1, then it must mean that the UFC has the best HW division of all fight orgs. :o
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Werdum is hardly an opponent to challenge a #1 ranked HW.
and yet had he not lost to dos santos(just last year) he would have been next in line to challenge for the UFC HW title....
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An Attempt to Counter the Indoctrination of the Misinformed
by Convectuoso
Top competition.
The best in the world.
You’ve heard it. I’ve heard it. We’ve all heard it before; the wild catcalls heaped on the feet of the fighters competing outside of what is regarded as the premier organization in mixed martial arts. In a nutshell, top competition for some has become the not-so-distant cousin of ice cream—everyone’s apparently screaming for it.
Listen close, brothers and sisters, because I’m here today to tell you that we don’t have to deal in absolutes. It doesn’t have to be this way. The world of mixed martial arts does not have to be an old silent flicker show—there’s color, there’s static, and it is wonderful. Too many fans of this sport seem to attach themselves wholly to the idea that one certain organization is where all the best in the sport go to prove themselves.
In other words, many fans are playing by what I like to refer to as “Lord of the Rings rules”: One org. to rule them all.
The problem here, however, is that while the Ultimate Fighting Championship certainly does possess a good number of elite fighters, they do not hold the rights to all elite fighters around the globe. When you take a look at how well the UFC has managed to market itself and its product, it’s easy to see why so many believe that all the “top competition” is found within their company.
Don’t be fooled.
Do they have elite fighters? Yes. Are they the strongest/most promotional promotion around? Yes. Do they have the highest number of elite fighters on their roster? Absolutely. Do I have a problem with any of this? Not at all.
I do, however, have a problem with the idea that well-known fighters outside of the promotion simply do not have the skill-sets necessary to match-up favorably with their counterparts inside of the UFC. The biggest and most obvious example of this can be found in the form of the sport’s heavyweight division.
Much has been said about Fedor Emelianenko’s competition, strength-of-schedule, physique, religion, favorite breakfast cereal, receding hairline, etc. You name it and someone has likely spoken exhaustively about the subject. Don’t worry, I’m not here to talk about Emelianenko’s status or offer some apologist fare—the highly-touted heavyweight is merely a footnote here.
One of the most popular arguments used against the heavyweight is one that deals with the location of the elite fighters in his respective weight class. A large percentage of individuals are under the impression that the vast majority of these fighters are inside of the UFC, and their counterparts pale in comparison. For the most part, any talk of skill, record and actual accomplishments inside of the sport is regularly tossed out in favor of the more, um, “substantial” talk of brand recognition.
Shane Carwin is one such name that is bandied about whenever the subject of Emelianenko and (here’s that term again) top competition is broached. On the flipside, Fabricio Werdum—Fedor’s next opponent—is a heavyweight fighter that finds himself routinely panned and subsequently dubbed little more than additional padding for Emelianenko’s record. The problem with this sort of talk is that a simple examination of a fighter’s record—in this case, Werdum—and even a quick viewing of some of the fighter’s former bouts will expose this very line of thinking as nothing more than a foul chimera.
This sort of mentality is the very thing that people need to discard because it is toxic.
It is a cancer.
Pull that curtain back and see what’s really at play here.
A quick look at the records of both fighters shows a stunning disparity in terms of quality opponents. The list of notable opponents that Werdum has faced is as follows:
- Aleksander Emelianenko
- Andrei Arlovski
- Sergei Kharitonov
- Alistair Overeem
- Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
- Gabriel Gonzaga (twice)
- Brandon Vera
- Antonio Silva
- Junior Dos Santos
What about Carwin? His list is as follows:
- Gabriel Gonzaga
-(Mir)
I know it must seem to some that I’m attempting to discredit Carwin, but I must say that if offering a simple list of a fighter’s notable bouts is all it takes to “discredit” a fighter, well, something is amiss. Did Werdum win every one of those fights? No. He actually went 6-4, but only a single loss was a stoppage with the rest coming by way of decision. A mark that isn’t too shabby when considering the names listed.
The point of all this is that Carwin has yet to face the amount of elite fighters Werdum has encountered. So why is it that he’s viewed as a more appropriate test for Emelianenko when it’s abundantly clear he’s yet to accomplish anywhere near as much as Werdum?
It’s easy: brand recognition.
Many have largely accepted the propaganda churned out by the UFC. We have the best; they don’t. The truth, however, is much closer to: We have a lot of the best fighters in the world, but there are other fighters, in certain weight classes (namely heavyweight and lightweight) outside of our promotion, that are just as talented as many of our best.
Not quite as catchy, though.
Is this a problem? No. A company is expected to promote itself and its product as the best around. The real problem is that consumers are so unwilling to set aside branding in order to make a true comparison of the products offered by rival companies.
Now, in the case of perishable food items (soft drinks, for example), this can be tricky since taste can be a hell of a thing. It’s largely subjective and has the potential to change drastically from person-to-person. The same problem, however, is absent inside of mixed martial arts. The main products—if we put aside production value, etc.—here are the fighters themselves. Their records and performance against other fighters should serve as the true “taste test”.
Top competition should mean more than fighters housed within the largest promotion in the world. A fighter’s worth should be determined by more than the brand on his/her back and the dogmatic marketing of the company he/she belongs to.
Top competition.
The best in the world.
It’s time to wake up, folks.
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Do they have elite fighters? Yes. Are they the strongest/most promotional promotion around? Yes. Do they have the highest number of elite fighters on their roster? Absolutely. Do I have a problem with any of this? Not at all.
So the author of this is also claiming that the UFC has the best HW division of all orgs. Thanks for the reaffirmation.
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So the author of this is also claiming that the UFC has the best HW division of all orgs. Thanks for the reaffirmation.
He wasn't referring to the HW's he was referring to the UFC roster as a whole...
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So the author of this is also claiming that the UFC has the best HW division of all orgs. Thanks for the reaffirmation.
also...(not surprisingly) you are feeding right in to what the article is really about...
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also...(not surprisingly) you are feeding right in to what the article is really about...
Did you read what I quoted? He specifically says the UFC has the "highest number of elite fighters"
that makes them the Elite organization, the top dog, the best, the one to beat, al other orgs are #2. The article you posted says so.
I just enjoy good fights, from an unbiased point of view. :)
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Did you read what I quoted? He specifically says the UFC has the "highest number of elite fighters"
that makes them the Elite organization, the top dog, the best, the one to beat, al other orgs are #2. The article you posted says so.
yes and then you changed it to the UFC has the best HW's which was never said...
anyone with a brain knows the UFC is the top dog I'm not aware of anyone arguing to the contrary...I see the mentality he is referring to if thats all you got from the article.....
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yes and then you changed it to the UFC has the best HW's which was never said...
anyone with a brain knows the UFC is the top dog I'm not aware of anyone arguing to the contrary...I see the mentality he is referring to if thats all you got from the article.....
All he did was state common sense, big deal. You were trying to use the article in an attempt to dog the UFC in saying that there are fighters outside of the UFC that are good, but the article you posted clearly states the UFC has the most elite fighters, therefore UFC = the best. :)
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All he did was state common sense, big deal. You were trying to use the article in an attempt to dog the UFC in saying that there are fighters outside of the UFC that are good, but the article you posted clearly states the UFC has the most elite fighters, therefore UFC = the best. :)
yea OK...I attempted to dog the UFC?I haven't missed a single UFC event in over three years.Why would I "dog"them...like I said I see the mentality we are dealing with and am reminded why I discuss such things on real MMA forums...I love getbig but there are very few MMA fans on here...just UFC/Dana butt boys for the most part...
I'll stick with being a fan of MMA & let others stick with being UFC fans that make juvenile arguments...
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yea OK...I attempted to dog the UFC?I haven't missed a single UFC event in over three years.Why would I "dog"them...like I said I see the mentality we are dealing with and am reminded why I discuss such things on real MMA forums...I love getbig but there are very few MMA fans on here...just UFC/Dana butt boys for the most part...
I'll stick with being a fan of MMA & let others stick with being UFC fans that make juvenile arguments...
"juvenile arguments"? It was a quote from the article you posted.......lol
You can't have it both ways.....well, from what I hear, maybe you do. :-\
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"juvenile arguments"? It was a quote from the article you posted.......lol
You can't have it both ways.....well, from what I hear, maybe you do. :-\
I really don't know what your even talkin about...once again No one has stated the UFC is not the top dog in regards to MMA...your whole UFC= best is quit juvenile and I'm not even sure what your stating other than that over and over again...Like I said you completely mis quoted the article in regards to HW's then you take one or two sentences from the entire article and run with them disregarding the overall point the piece makes...
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An Attempt to Counter the Indoctrination of the Misinformed
by Convectuoso
Top competition.
The best in the world.
You’ve heard it. I’ve heard it. We’ve all heard it before; the wild catcalls heaped on the feet of the fighters competing outside of what is regarded as the premier organization in mixed martial arts. In a nutshell, top competition for some has become the not-so-distant cousin of ice cream—everyone’s apparently screaming for it.
Listen close, brothers and sisters, because I’m here today to tell you that we don’t have to deal in absolutes. It doesn’t have to be this way. The world of mixed martial arts does not have to be an old silent flicker show—there’s color, there’s static, and it is wonderful. Too many fans of this sport seem to attach themselves wholly to the idea that one certain organization is where all the best in the sport go to prove themselves.
In other words, many fans are playing by what I like to refer to as “Lord of the Rings rules”: One org. to rule them all.
The problem here, however, is that while the Ultimate Fighting Championship certainly does possess a good number of elite fighters, they do not hold the rights to all elite fighters around the globe. When you take a look at how well the UFC has managed to market itself and its product, it’s easy to see why so many believe that all the “top competition” is found within their company.
Don’t be fooled.
Do they have elite fighters? Yes. Are they the strongest/most promotional promotion around? Yes. Do they have the highest number of elite fighters on their roster? Absolutely. Do I have a problem with any of this? Not at all.
I do, however, have a problem with the idea that well-known fighters outside of the promotion simply do not have the skill-sets necessary to match-up favorably with their counterparts inside of the UFC. The biggest and most obvious example of this can be found in the form of the sport’s heavyweight division.
Much has been said about Fedor Emelianenko’s competition, strength-of-schedule, physique, religion, favorite breakfast cereal, receding hairline, etc. You name it and someone has likely spoken exhaustively about the subject. Don’t worry, I’m not here to talk about Emelianenko’s status or offer some apologist fare—the highly-touted heavyweight is merely a footnote here.
One of the most popular arguments used against the heavyweight is one that deals with the location of the elite fighters in his respective weight class. A large percentage of individuals are under the impression that the vast majority of these fighters are inside of the UFC, and their counterparts pale in comparison. For the most part, any talk of skill, record and actual accomplishments inside of the sport is regularly tossed out in favor of the more, um, “substantial” talk of brand recognition.
Shane Carwin is one such name that is bandied about whenever the subject of Emelianenko and (here’s that term again) top competition is broached. On the flipside, Fabricio Werdum—Fedor’s next opponent—is a heavyweight fighter that finds himself routinely panned and subsequently dubbed little more than additional padding for Emelianenko’s record. The problem with this sort of talk is that a simple examination of a fighter’s record—in this case, Werdum—and even a quick viewing of some of the fighter’s former bouts will expose this very line of thinking as nothing more than a foul chimera.
This sort of mentality is the very thing that people need to discard because it is toxic.
It is a cancer.
Pull that curtain back and see what’s really at play here.
A quick look at the records of both fighters shows a stunning disparity in terms of quality opponents. The list of notable opponents that Werdum has faced is as follows:
- Aleksander Emelianenko
- Andrei Arlovski
- Sergei Kharitonov
- Alistair Overeem
- Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
- Gabriel Gonzaga (twice)
- Brandon Vera
- Antonio Silva
- Junior Dos Santos
What about Carwin? His list is as follows:
- Gabriel Gonzaga
-(Mir)
I know it must seem to some that I’m attempting to discredit Carwin, but I must say that if offering a simple list of a fighter’s notable bouts is all it takes to “discredit” a fighter, well, something is amiss. Did Werdum win every one of those fights? No. He actually went 6-4, but only a single loss was a stoppage with the rest coming by way of decision. A mark that isn’t too shabby when considering the names listed.
The point of all this is that Carwin has yet to face the amount of elite fighters Werdum has encountered. So why is it that he’s viewed as a more appropriate test for Emelianenko when it’s abundantly clear he’s yet to accomplish anywhere near as much as Werdum?
It’s easy: brand recognition.
Many have largely accepted the propaganda churned out by the UFC. We have the best; they don’t. The truth, however, is much closer to: We have a lot of the best fighters in the world, but there are other fighters, in certain weight classes (namely heavyweight and lightweight) outside of our promotion, that are just as talented as many of our best.
Not quite as catchy, though.
Is this a problem? No. A company is expected to promote itself and its product as the best around. The real problem is that consumers are so unwilling to set aside branding in order to make a true comparison of the products offered by rival companies.
Now, in the case of perishable food items (soft drinks, for example), this can be tricky since taste can be a hell of a thing. It’s largely subjective and has the potential to change drastically from person-to-person. The same problem, however, is absent inside of mixed martial arts. The main products—if we put aside production value, etc.—here are the fighters themselves. Their records and performance against other fighters should serve as the true “taste test”.
Top competition should mean more than fighters housed within the largest promotion in the world. A fighter’s worth should be determined by more than the brand on his/her back and the dogmatic marketing of the company he/she belongs to.
Top competition.
The best in the world.
It’s time to wake up, folks.
QFT!!
bump...
can't wait for the usual UFC guy response ;D
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That article sums up what I and others have been saying on here for the past year. Just because someone is in the UFC does not automatically make them superior to fighters outside of the UFC. You have to look at each fighters resume independent of the organization they fight for. Nuff said.
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QFT!!
bump...
can't wait for the usual UFC guy response ;D
Do you think that Fedor fighting Werdum. a UFC reject, really defends Fedor's #1 status?
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Do you think that Fedor fighting Werdum. a UFC reject, really defends Fedor's #1 status?
once again that "UFC reject" was (Just one year ago) one fight away from a title fight in the UFC...So 1 single loss to Jr dos santos takes someone from #2 heavyweight in the UFC to a can huh?epic logic...
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once again that "UFC reject" was (Just one year ago) one fight away from a title fight in the UFC...So 1 single loss to Jr dos santos takes someone from #2 heavyweight in the UFC to a can huh?epic logic...
His overall performance in the UFC on top of his loss was why he was cut. He was never close to being #2 HW in the UFC. Remember 'performance' is also more than just winning a fight. Regardless, this was more than a year ago as well.
Now please answer my question that nobody wants to....
Is fighting Werdum really enough to prove that Fedor is deserving of his #1 status?
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His overall performance in the UFC on top of his loss was why he was cut. He was never close to being #2 HW in the UFC. Remember 'performance' is also more than just winning a fight. Regardless, this was more than a year ago as well.
Now please answer my question that nobody wants to....
Is fighting Werdum really enough to prove that Fedor is deserving of his #1 status?
yes
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Do you think that Fedor fighting Werdum. a UFC reject, really defends Fedor's #1 status?
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His overall performance in the UFC on top of his loss was why he was cut. He was never close to being #2 HW in the UFC. Remember 'performance' is also more than just winning a fight. Regardless, this was more than a year ago as well.
Now please answer my question that nobody wants to....
Is fighting Werdum really enough to prove that Fedor is deserving of his #1 status?
oh and lol at his "performance" being an issue he knocked out Vera and gonzaga in the firsts and second Rd's...and that was when they were both in winning form...how is that performance based...And yes it was said that if he beat dos Santos he would be in line for a title shot....so he KO's back to back opponents then suffers one loss at the hands of a guy everyone is/will lose to...and goes from title contender to a UFC reject...all in the course of a single fight...yea epic logic right there...you guys will believe anything Dana wants you to believe...
and yes..werdum has a far superior resume than carwin or brock at this point in time theres no denying it...
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oh and lol at his "performance" being an issue he knocked out Vera and gonzaga in the firsts and second Rd's...and that was when they were both in winning form...how is that performance based...And yes it was said that if he beat dos Santos he would be in line for a title shot....so he KO's back to back opponents then suffers one loss at the hands of a guy everyone is/will lose to...and goes from title contender to a UFC reject...all in the course of a single fight...yea epic logic right there...you guys will believe anything Dana wants you to believe...
and yes..werdum has a far superior resume than carwin or brock at this point in time theres no denying it...
People like you are so anti UFC that you can't give credit where credit is due, all you want to do is whine about how great Fedor is and that the UFC doesn't have the best fighters.
Hater. ::)
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oh and lol at his "performance" being an issue he knocked out Vera and gonzaga in the firsts and second Rd's...and that was when they were both in winning form...how is that performance based...And yes it was said that if he beat dos Santos he would be in line for a title shot....so he KO's back to back opponents then suffers one loss at the hands of a guy everyone is/will lose to...and goes from title contender to a UFC reject...all in the course of a single fight...yea epic logic right there...you guys will believe anything Dana wants you to believe...
and yes..werdum has a far superior resume than carwin or brock at this point in time theres no denying it...
Epic speculation right there...Vera should never have been a HW anyways. Just like Werdum would not stand a chance against the current UFC monsters.
Still stands. Werdum cut not cut it in the UFC. He is a UFC reject. But maybe he will beat Fedor. Then you will have to come up with some new excuses for Fedor.
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As opposed to Mindspin and WeightPSHR, two of the most uninformed fanboys on this board, sucking Dana White dick every chance they get?
It's amazing how these fighters are so "amazing" and then cans the second they leave the UFC.
The UFC HW division is not good, has never been good, and will never be good. It's bad, and that's an understatement.
So you telling me Werdum left the UFC by choice? What happened to Sylvia's and Arvloski's careers after they left the UFC? Although it was somewhat their choice....
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How is it that someone who goes 2-1 against the top UFC competition at the time a UFC reject? You can't be that retarded, can you?
Your constant waxing of Dana's balls makes me nauseous.
He was CUT from the UFC. REJECT. CAN.
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So you telling me Werdum left the UFC by choice? What happened to Sylvia's and Arvloski's careers after they left the UFC? Although it was somewhat their choice....
what happened is they ran into Fedor and he destroyed them physically and mentally to the point they wont recover...When you take fighters such as this that were very successfull in the UFC and you see them get handled outside the UFC it tells me there is plenty of competition outside the UFC thats more than capable of beating UFC champions...
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It's amazing how these fighters are so "amazing" and then cans the second they leave the UFC.
exactly bro...I'm sure when Dos Santos or Anderson Silva or any other successfully fighter leaves the UFC they will just magically turn into a can when they were so dominate in the UFC all because Dana says so....you cant tell these retards nuthin they got Dana's dick so far up there ass there spewing his jizz out there mouths...
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exactly bro...I'm sure when Dos Santos or Anderson Silva or any other successfully fighter leaves the UFC they will just magically turn into a can when they were so dominate in the UFC all because Dana says so....you cant tell these retards nuthin they got Dana's dick so far up there ass there spewing his jizz out there mouths...
When the UFC fails to re-sign a fighter, there is usually good reason. They only want to keep the best. Afterall, the UFC has the biggest fight roster and best talent overall in MMA ;D
Still I have no answer....
Does a win over Werdum really help justify Fedor's #1 status?
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Does a win over any of the multitude of cans currently making up the "talent" in the HW division justify your hero Brock's #1 status? ::)
Just as expected...No answer to my question. Is a win over Werdum enough to validate Fedor's #1 ranking?
But to answer your question, I think Carwin is the better figher compared to Brock. I actually hate Brock, but he is powerful and does have the skills to put down most HW's. What you fail to realize is that although Carwin and Brock are not the most technical, they have unbelievable size and power that is hard to handle by most HW's.
All I am saying is that Fedor not signing with the UFC is really bringing his #1 ranking into questionable status. He is making himseld 'unavailable' to fighting the best in the world currently.
He could fight anyone of these UFC guys and it would be a bigger test than Werdum.
These are rankings from Sherdog:http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-23617 (http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-23617)
1. Fedor Emelianenko (31-1, 1 NC)
It seemed fairly straightforward that Emelianenko would stake his heavyweight supremacy against Brazilian Fabricio Werdum at Strikeforce’s second CBS offering on April 17. However, a contract squabble between Strikeforce and M-1, which represents Emelianenko, means early summer is the likely time for the bout.
2. Brock Lesnar (4-1)
While no one knows exactly how Lesnar will look in his return to the cage after his bout with diverticulitis, we do know his foe. Come July 3, he will take on Shane Carwin to unify the UFC heavyweight mantle in what should be a blockbuster match for the UFC.
3. Cain Velasquez (8-0)
Whether one wants to call it a passing of the torch or a coming-out party, Velasquez’s performance against Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira at UFC 110 was short and brutal. In less than half a round, Velasquez destroyed one of MMA’s most historically outstanding heavyweights in easily his most impressive performance to date.
4. Shane Carwin (12-0)
It took almost four minutes -- an eternity by his usual standards -- but at UFC 111 in Newark, N.J., Carwin blew off Frank Mir’s doors in the first round to claim the UFC interim heavyweight title. However, the real championship will be contested July 3, when Carwin meets Brock Lesnar at UFC 116.
5. Frank Mir (13-5)
Mir entered his March 27 bout with Shane Carwin as a slight betting favorite. However, he looked none the part in the cage, as Carwin bashed him with left hands in the clinch and decimated the former UFC champion to take the promotion’s interim title. With it, Carwin took Mir’s chance for a rubber match with Brock Lesnar.
6. Junior dos Santos (11-1)
Dos Santos’ March 21 bout with Gabriel Gonzaga was supposed to be a sterner test for the hot Brazilian prospect. However, it was business as usual for “Cigano,” who used his boxing ability to turn out the lights on “Napao” and firmly entrench himself in the UFC heavyweight title race.
7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC)
“Minotauro” had an army of backers who felt the former Pride and UFC heavyweight champion would put on a vintage performance against Cain Velasquez at UFC 110. However, post-fight discussion centered on whether or not Nogueira still has the physical tools to hang with young, elite heavyweights after Velasquez polished him off in a little more than two minutes.
8. Brett Rogers (10-1)
Despite the fact that Rogers was taken out by Fedor Emelianenko in November, “The Grim” will get the chance to vie for the Strikeforce heavyweight crown on May 15. Rogers will take on champion Alistair Overeem, who makes his long-awaited return to the promotion after capturing its heavyweight title in November 2007.
9. Andrei Arlovski (15-7)
The former UFC champion has not seen action since June, when he lasted just 22 seconds against Brett Rogers. However, Arlovski has inked a deal with Strikeforce that will get him back into the cage soon. “The Pitbull” will take on Antonio Silva on May 15 in St. Louis.
10. Fabricio Werdum (13-4-1)
Werdum will have to wait another couple of months to fight for MMA’s heavyweight mantle. He expected to meet heavyweight kingpin Fedor Emelianenko in April, but the Russian’s contract dispute with Strikeforce means that “Vai Cavalo” will have to sit pretty until the early summer.
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This is such a stupid argument.
Lesnar was out with a life threatening injury until now. Fedor beat Arlovski, he beat Noguerra twice, he's fighting Werdum next. Frank Mir is nothing but a glorified Tomato can.
Your only legitimate arguments are Carwin, Dos Santos and Velasquez who have exactly the same record combined as Fedor and who do not have anywhere near the resume of Werdum. (Maybe combined they do)
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Frank Mir is nothing but a glorified Tomato can.
lol
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The UFC HW division is not good, has never been good, and will never be good. It's bad, and that's an understatement.
According to every top ten list I have ever seen posted, the majority, in the case of the original post by gmflex 7 of the top 10 HW's, are in the UFC, if that's not a good HW division, then answer the question I've asked a thousand times, WHO HAS THE BEST HW DIVISION IF NOT THE UFC?
Even the Sherdog list has 6 of the top ten in the UFC.
Like I've stated many times, I just want to see good fights, don't care about the org, but I think some people get so caught up in hating on the UFC and think that they are "hardcore" by supporting the little guy, they lose focus on who/what a good fight(er) really is.
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This is such a stupid argument.
Lesnar was out with a life threatening injury until now. Fedor beat Arlovski, he beat Noguerra twice, he's fighting Werdum next. Frank Mir is nothing but a glorified Tomato can.
Your only legitimate arguments are Carwin, Dos Santos and Velasquez who have exactly the same record combined as Fedor and who do not have anywhere near the resume of Werdum. (Maybe combined they do)
You just summed up what I am getting at. By being afraid not signing with the UFC, Fedor is fighting cans. Guys that are meaningless in his #1 ranking.You just named multiple guys yourself that would be a bigger challenge than Werdum. Records are only part of the equation. It is all about CURRENT performance.
Again I will ask....
Is Werdum ranked anywhere near the top of the HW division in any poll? Is Werdum a fight that verifies Fedor's #1 ranking?
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You just posted a poll that had him ranked number 10.
By your logic, every time a fighter fights someone in the top 10 of his respective weight class, he is fighting legit competition. Fedors last 3 fights (Rogers, Arlovksi, Silvia) have all been against guys that were ranked as top 10 HW's. His next fight is also against a top 10 HW.
What is your point exactly?
Even if Fedor had been in the UFC, he wouldn't have fought Lesnar because he was injured-
Your only legitimate arguments for UFC HW's for Fedor to fight are three up and comers that have the same record as Fedor combined. These three up and comers have not fought each other yet. You talk about current performance being the biggest indicator yet those three guys have fought who exactly? Carwins only impressive win was over Mir ( a can). Velasquez's only impressive win was against Noguerra ( a beat up old man). JDS's only impressive wins have been against Gonzaga (yawn), and Fabricio Werdum. As far as current performances go, your argument doesn't hold much water.
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You just posted a poll that had him ranked number 10.
By your logic, every time a fighter fights someone in the top 10 of his respective weight class, he is fighting legit competition. Fedors last 3 fights (Rogers, Arlovksi, Silvia) have all been against guys that were ranked as top 10 HW's. His next fight is also against a top 10 HW.
What is your point exactly?
Even if Fedor had been in the UFC, he wouldn't have fought Lesnar because he was injured-
Your only legitimate arguments for UFC HW's for Fedor to fight are three up and comers that have the same record as Fedor combined. These three up and comers have not fought each other yet. You talk about current performance being the biggest indicator yet those three guys have fought who exactly? Carwins only impressive win was over Mir ( a can). Velasquez's only impressive win was against Noguerra ( a beat up old man). JDS's only impressive wins have been against Gonzaga (yawn), and Fabricio Werdum. As far as current performances go, your argument doesn't hold much water.
Still no answer....all it requires is a 'Yes' or 'No' followed by a simple explanation. Is Werdum a fight that verifies Fedor's #1 ranking?
All the UFC HW's you mentioned are CURRENTLY ranked above Werdum in most polls. I never said Fedor had to fight Brock. All I am saying is that it's quite obvious that by avoiding the UFC, Fedor is avoiding tougher fights. Regardless, his #1 ranking will be stripped if he keeps fighting sub-par talent.
I will admit that besides Overeem, who by the way Fedor dodged by making drug excuses, Werdum is the best anyone has to offer outside of the UFC.
I truly wonder how long the rankings will allow Fedor and his management to continue this Charade as #1 HW without proving it ::)
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I will admit that besides Overeem, who by the way Fedor dodged by making drug excuses, Werdum is the best anyone has to offer outside of the UFC.
It's a little late to be complaining about him not fighting UFC guys. He's on fight 2 of a 3 fight contract. His next 2 fights are most likely the two guys you just stated above. What do you want?
You'll get your chance to complain when he wins the next two and his contract is up.
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It's a little late to be complaining about him not fighting UFC guys. He's on fight 2 of a 3 fight contract. His next 2 fights are most likely the two guys you just stated above. What do you want?
You'll get your chance to complain when he wins the next two and his contract is up.
So until then, even though he is fighting sub-par talent, he will maintain #1 status ::)
This is what I am complaining about. Fedor needs to DEFEND and EARN his #1 status.
Besides....we will never see Fedor in the UFC. That is an unfortunate reality.
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So until then, even though he is fighting sub-par talent, he will maintain #1 status ::)
This is what I am complaining about. Fedor needs to DEFEND and EARN his #1 status.
Besides....we will never see Fedor in the UFC. That is an unfortunate reality.
Let me ask you a question.
In the spirit of this "pound for pound" thread, do you think Broc Lesnar would stand a chance against Fedor if he dropped to 230 lbs?
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Let me ask you a question.
In the spirit of this "pound for pound" thread, do you think Broc Lesnar would stand a chance against Fedor if he dropped to 230 lbs?
Pointless question....This is not a 'Fantasy MMA' thread. Brock was ill, bedridden for 15 days and still weighed more then 230 lbs.
Brock and Carwin both weigh 280 lbs. in the ring. What's your point?
A better question would be how would Fedor do against Anderson Silva if he shed some fat and fought at 205 lbs. We all know Fedor could make 205 lbs.
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Let me ask you a question.
In the spirit of this "pound for pound" thread, do you think Broc Lesnar would stand a chance against Fedor if he dropped to 230 lbs?
brock doesnt stand a chance against fedor at any weight...true story...
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brock doesnt stand a chance against fedor at any weight...true story...
Fedor would never take a challenging fight like this anyways :o
He would much rather fight low ranked cans ;D
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Fedor would never take a challenging fight like this anyways :o
He would much rather fight low ranked cans ;D
haha yea as opposed to a guy with 5 hand picked fights...
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Pointless question....This is not a 'Fantasy MMA' thread. Brock was ill, bedridden for 15 days and still weighed more then 230 lbs.
Brock and Carwin both weigh 280 lbs. in the ring. What's your point?
My point is that Brock and Carwin, i.e. the guys you want Fedor to fight, are nothing without their 50 or so lb weight advantage. That's not true quality.
Also, I don't know what you mean by "this is not a fantasy MMA thread". The thread is about ranking and comparing fighters regardless of weight, which is abstract, unless you believe a match like Jose Aldo and Bret Rodgers could conceivably happen.
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brock doesnt stand a chance against fedor at any weight...true story...
I believe Brock stands a chance, but not without his 50 lb advantage.
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I believe Brock stands a chance, but not without his 50 lb advantage.
sorry friend but you will find out soon enough he is a paper champion that has been built by media hype and company propaganda.....I don't care how much he weighs He would never beat Fedor....
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sorry friend but you will find out soon enough he is a paper champion that has been built by media hype and company propaganda.....I don't care how much he weighs He would never beat Fedor....
Well, do you think a 280 lb Brock is theoretically better than a 230 lb Brock?
That's all I'm saying.
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sorry friend but you will find out soon enough he is a paper champion that has been built by media hype and company propaganda.....I don't care how much he weighs He would never beat Fedor....
Fedor will never fight ANY top HW ever again in his career. You can guarantee that. Why would he and risk his status and legacy?
By the way it looks, he should just keep fighting UFC rejects and all will be ok with him in the rankings. Besides Rodgers, that is all he has been fighting the last several years....LITERALLY.
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I believe Brock stands a chance, but not without his 50 lb advantage.
You do know that Fedor fights as a HW right? That is 206-265. That is the division he is currently ranked #1 in.
That is exaclty what I am saying. The HW'S in the UFC are a new breed. 280 lbs lean in the octagon. This is not the old pride days.
Fedor knows he does not stand a chance in the UFC HW division.
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You do know that Fedor fights as a HW right? That is 206-265. That is the division he is currently ranked #1 in.
That is exaclty what I am saying. The HW'S in the UFC are a new breed. 280 lbs lean in the ring. This is not the old pride days.
Fedor knows he does not stand a chance in the UFC HW division.
Yeah, I kinda strayed off point. :)
Not to further complicate things, but, I also believe the HW divsion should be split, e.x. super heavy 230 + or so
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Yeah, I kinda strayed off point. :)
Not to further complicate things, but, I also believe the HW divsion should be split, e.x. super heavy 230 + or so
Ok. We can agree on that. Maybe a SuperHW division or something :)
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Yeah, I kinda strayed off point. :)
Not to further complicate things, but, I also believe the HW divsion should be split, e.x. super heavy 230 + or so
I don't think there are enough fighters to fill those spots, but I do agree.
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1. Anderson Silva
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. B.J. Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Jose Aldo
7. Mauricio Rua
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Dan Henderson
10. Dominick Cruz
I don't agree with many of these, like Cruz at 10 or Mousasi at 8, but overall it's pretty good.
hahaha so you admit fedor should be the number 1 heavyweight
owned 8)
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Fedor would never take a challenging fight like this anyways :o
He would much rather fight low ranked cans ;D
Last year he was scheduled to fight Barnett who was ranked #2 behind only Fedor.
Does that sound like someone afraid to fight talented HW's?
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Last year he was scheduled to fight Barnett who was ranked #2 behind only Fedor.
Does that sound like someone afraid to fight talented HW's?
your wasting your time...you cant tell these fools nuthin...Fedor has fought more top 10 ranked fighters than any other fighter in MMA history...
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your wasting your time...you cant tell these fools nuthin...Fedor has fought more top 10 ranked fighters than any other fighter in MMA history...
Link?
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http://www.mmamania.com/2010/4/2/1401775/the-numbers-behind-fedors-current
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http://www.mmamania.com/2010/4/2/1401775/the-numbers-behind-fedors-current
Great article. Shame it will be avoided by Mindspin and his dickhead gimmick account.
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The numbers behind Fedor's current #1 Ranking
Tiny by StrikerDave on Apr 2, 2010
4/2/10
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink." There have been several postings over the last few months concerning Fedor Emelianenko's current ranking as the #1 HW in the world. Rather than debate for hours on end (like I have been) I have decided to find third party historical data in order to examine the numbers behind Fedor's current ranking. As many of you who I have debated know, I do not always agree with the rankings of the various websites. However, I beleive that using a third party resource is best to accurately gauge the current HW MMA rankings because it will not reflect my personal opinions.
I have decided to use the Consensus Rankings* posted on bloodyelbow.com for the ranking data. Prior to the Consensus Rankings, bloodyelbow.com posted MMA Meta-Rankings*. I have used the MMA Meta-Rankings for the rankings prior to posting of the Consensus Ranking. Again, I do not personally agree with all of the rankings on this website but I believe this is the best way to remove my opinion from the equation.
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For fight outcomes, fighter records, and fight dates I used the Fighter Finder database @ sherdog.com. This is widely considered to be the largest, most accurate database of MMA fights on the internet.
It is widely considered that Fedor Emelianenko is the greatest HW mixed Martial Artist of all time. His MMA record is 31-1-0 (1 NC). The one loss was a doctor stoppage due to a cut; Fedor has never been defeated by a Submission, Decision, or been knocked out. He has won his last 27 fights in a row at HW. This is a record at HW for major MMA promotions. During this streak he has captured the Pride FC HW championship and the controversial WAMMA HW championship. Also during this streak, Fedor has defeated 6 former or future UFC HW champions, 1 Pride HW champion, 1 Strikeforce champion, 1 Pride OWGP champion, a 4-time K1 World GP champion, 3 NCAA Division 1 wrestlers, 5 K1 competitors, and at least 3 BJJ black belts. An extremely legitimate list of competitors.
Once the Pride FC and Affliction promotions folded, Fedor signed with the Strikeforce promotion. However, the UFC is widely considered to have the top HW fighters on their roster. The question then arises: Is Fedor still the #1 ranked HW in the world? Is Fedor facing tough enough competition to still deserve the #1 ranking?
Recently on this blog (MMAmania.com) several questions and statements have been made to challenge Fedor's current ranking.
Claim: Fedor hasn't fought top competition lately.
In the last two years, Fedor has had three fights and gone 3-0. At the time of the fights, his opponents had the following ranking immediately prior to the fight:
Opponent/Date: Tim Sylvia, Affliction – Banned , 7/19/2008
Opponents Ranking Prior to that fight: 5
Source: (click here)
Outcome: Win, Submission (Rear-Naked Choke), 0:36, RD1
Opponent/Date: Andra Arlovski, Affliction – Day of Reckoning , 1/24/2009
Opponents Ranking Prior to that fight: 2
Source: (click here)
Outcome: Win, KO, 3:14, RD 1
Opponent/Date: Brett Rogers, Strikeforce - Lawler vs. Sheilds 11/7/2009
Opponents Ranking Prior to that fight: 8
Source: (click here)
Outcome: Win, TKO, 1:48, RD 2
Conclusion: Mathematically speaking, Fedor has fought the highest ranked competition of all ranked HW fighters in the last 2 years and has a 3–0 record. Other noteworthy HW fighters (rankings of opponents immediately prior to fight; record in those fights) U= not ranked in the top ten immediately prior to the fight: Noguiera (10, 5, 6; 1-2), Sylvia (1, U, U;1-2), Mir (2, 5, U, 6; 2-2), Couture, HW fights only(U, 5; 0-2), Lesnar (U, 7, 3; 3-0), Barnett (U, U, U, U; 4-0), Arlovski (U, U, 1, U; 2-2)
Claim: Fedor is avoiding fighters ranked in the top 5.
In the last two years, Fedor has had 4 fights scheduled to happen; the three listed above and one that was scheduled for Aug 1, 2009 against Josh Barnett. The fight was cancelled on July 22, 2009 when Josh Barnett was denied his license to compete by the California State Athletic Commission after testing positive for anabolic steroids. This was no fault of Fedor's. On the ranking list prior to July 22, 2009 Josh Barnett was ranked #2. Source: (click here)
Conclusion: In the last two years, Fedor has in fact accepted more fights (3) against opponents ranked in the top 5 immediately prior to the fight than any other HW fighter. (Runner up: Mir w/2).
Claim: Fedor will need to fight against opponents ranked in the top 5 in order to maintain his #1 ranking.
In the last two years, there have been 5 fights between opponents that are both ranked in the top 5 at the same time (Fedor/Sylvia, Fedor/Arlovski, Noguiera/Mir, Mir/Lesnar, Velasquez/Noguiera). There have been a total of 18 unique fights that involved a fighter ranked in the top 5 that was against someone not in the top 5. A total of 23 fights involving a fighter ranked in the top 5 immediately prior to the fight. So, 22% of the fights involving a top 5 ranked fighter were against another top 5 ranked fighter. In the last two years Fedor has been scheduled to fight 75% of his fights against fighters ranked in the top 5 immediately prior to the fight.
Conclusion: Fedor is way ahead of the industry standard, however he will need to fight a fighter ranked in the top 5 (immediately prior to that fight) within his next 3 fights in order to stay above the industry standard of 22%. If he doesn't fight a top 5 fighter until his 4th fight, he will only be 2% below the industry standard (20%).
Overall conclusion:
So based on the historical, verifiable data, in the last two years Fedor has: 1) ...fought the mathematically highest ranked set of opponents compared to all other HW fighters and maintained an undefeated record (3-0). 2) ...accepted fights against the highest ranking set of HW fighters, including 3 in the top 5. Something no other fighter has done in the same time period. 3) ...fought a higher rate of top five opponents than the industry (53% higher rate) and will have 3 fights to fight another top 5 ranked fighter in order to remain above the industry standard.
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I take that back though there is one other fighter in the history of MMA to have fought "as many top 10 ranked opponets...
In the HISTORY of the UFC, post and pre Zuffa, there has been one other fighter to fight as many top 10 ranked opponents(ranked top ten at time of fight) as much as Fedor, and that's GSP.GSP is 8-2 against top 10 opponents, while Fedor is 10-0.
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Informative and impressive.
Like someone in the comments area said........look what has become of Tim Sylvia and I would never have put Arlovski at #2 or Rogers at #8.......so...."Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink."
BTW Fedor is running out of opponents in the top ten that aren't in the UFC real quick.
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Informative and impressive.
Like someone in the comments area said........look what has become of Tim Sylvia and I would never have put Arlovski at #2 or Rogers at #8.......so...."Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink."
BTW Fedor is running out of opponents in the top ten that aren't in the UFC real quick.
Regardless of what they have become, they were #2 and #8 at the time that Fedor fought them and that's all that matters. Chuck Liddell is a washed up can now. Does that diminish the victories of anyone who beat him? Same goes for any other fighter for that matter.
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Informative and impressive.
Like someone in the comments area said........look what has become of Tim Sylvia and I would never have put Arlovski at #2 or Rogers at #8.......so...."Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink."
BTW Fedor is running out of opponents in the top ten that aren't in the UFC real quick.
alister Overeem and josh barnett are the 2 biggest threats in my opinion to take out Fedor....
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Regardless of what they have become, they were #2 and #8 at the time that Fedor fought them and that's all that matters. Chuck Liddell is a washed up can now. Does that diminish the victories of anyone who beat him? Same goes for any other fighter for that matter.
Maybe not those from the past, but certainly plays into any future losses.
I can agree with Alistair but I don't see Barnett fighting any time soon at least not in the US. And to be honest, his last fight left me very unimpressed.
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How does it play into certain losses? It's unreasonable to expect a fighter to stay at their peak over the course of years. Sylvia and Arlovski were once the toast of the HW division and hailed as Gods by UFC fanboys. They were still highly regarded when they fought Fedor. They both lost.
Fact of the matter is that Fedor has fought better competition than any recent HW has. So much for the vaunted UFC HW division.
As far as I'm concerned, Brock Lesnar vacated any right he had to the #1 ranking when he faked an illness and will end up having taken 1+ years off from fighting.
Can you please post me the source showing where Brock faked his illness? You post this often....I would like to see proof.
Mindspin already spanked your ass warned you about fighter bashing and lying.
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This is obvious.
But they dont pay all that marketing money for nothing! They do it cause it's effective. Reason? most ppl dont think for them selves, ppl are trained to wait for some one else to (validate them/Tell em what to do or think). If your not an inqusitive person who knows what cult tactics are, then it is easy to fill your brain with what ever disiers info or out look they want, So they do!
The brainwashed are suppose to give the smart ppl a hard time, so they dont talk smart anymore it's not cool right?
And as soon as it's not cool to think or have feelings, they've got you!