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Obama Approval down to 42%
Rasmussen ^
Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2010
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 24% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20.
Overall, 42% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. That is the lowest level of approval yet measured for this president. Fifty-six percent (56%) now disapprove of his performance.
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I wonder who these 42% are.
Probably 85% of the black vote.
65% hispanic vote. I know three puerto ricans as friends who hate obama almost worse than I do.
25% of the white vote.
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i think when they poll people they should administer a test to see if they even have a clue about things, 10 history 10 current politics, no pass no vote, this should be done before elections too that way clueless dumb fucks cant vote in some idiot that has just fed them lies to get elected
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i think when they poll people they should administer a test to see if they even have a clue about things, 10 history 10 current politics, no pass no vote, this should be done before elections too that way clueless dumb fucks cant vote in some idiot that has just fed them lies to get elected
If that would be the case we would never have a republican president again... ;)
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if that were the case we would always have a pres that truely understands the constitution, the bill of rights and the declaration of independance, and the founding fathers. he would know what is takes to run the united states for the repuiblic. and what once made this nation great where people could have equal oppritunity given to them not equal results given to them without equal effort. we wouldnt have rep or dem we would have a constitutional pres like washington was.
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Gallup, the poll which has been following presidents for 30+ years, has him at 48%.
http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
I prefer them because they have decades of data showing presidents of both parties at high and low points. They had no problem putting clinton below 50% after his first year as well - so people can't claim liberal bias. They also showed Bush2 when he was in the 80s, etc. Gallup has been the long established leader of presidential polling. They have Obama at 48%, whereabout he has floated for 6 months now.
I don't know that it's a coincidence that FOX uses Rasmussen almost exclusively. Most media-saavy people admit FOX does a good job of "evening out" the left-wing slany by delivering their own right-wing slant.
My point is that you are choosing a poll with less experience, maybe because you find the numbers a bit more enjoyable for your own political preferences.
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Gallup, the poll which has been following presidents for 30+ years, has him at 48%.
http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
I prefer them because they have decades of data showing presidents of both parties at high and low points. They had no problem putting clinton below 50% after his first year as well - so people can't claim liberal bias. They also showed Bush2 when he was in the 80s, etc. Gallup has been the long established leader of presidential polling. They have Obama at 48%, whereabout he has floated for 6 months now.
I don't know that it's a coincidence that FOX uses Rasmussen almost exclusively. Most media-saavy people admit FOX does a good job of "evening out" the left-wing slany by delivering their own right-wing slant.
My point is that you are choosing a poll with less experience, maybe because you find the numbers a bit more enjoyable for your own political preferences.
Obama's RealClearPolitics average (which includes BOTH Gallup and Rasmussen) has Obama at 47%.
I'd go with that. The left-winged folks are going to cite the polls with higher Obama numbers; the right-winged folks will do the same with the lower Obama numbers.
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My point is that you are choosing a poll with less experience, maybe because you find the numbers a bit more enjoyable for your own political preferences.
LMFAO says the man who quoted the national enquirer as truth... :o ;D ::)
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LMFAO says the man who quoted the national enquirer as truth... :o ;D ::)
Hey, I think they nailed John Edwards. Don't you?
Obama's RealClearPolitics average (which includes BOTH Gallup and Rasmussen) has Obama at 47%.
I'd go with that. The left-winged folks are going to cite the polls with higher Obama numbers; the right-winged folks will do the same with the lower Obama numbers.
IMHO, that's accepting half-poison. My contention is that Rasmussen has les experience, and uses an advanced formula for calculation which - coincidentally? - is cited by FOX News about 30 times a day that I catch.
I know that MSNBC tends to gravitate towards the ABC/Wash Post polls, which tend to skew left. I'm pretty sure FOX - with the same bag of tricks - is going to choose the poll which skews furthest to the right.
So your using a poll which uses HALF of Rasmussen seems like it might be half-wrong.
Gallup has a history of making both parties look good, and bad. They skewered Clinton and they worshipped Bush, when the population was doing the same.
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Hey, I think they nailed John Edwards. Don't you?
so once right, always right?
LMFAO and I do mean once, you know they are a supermarket tabloid right?
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Hey, I think they nailed John Edwards. Don't you?
File that under the "Broken clock, being right twice a day" category!!
IMHO, that's accepting half-poison. My contention is that Rasmussen has les experience, and uses an advanced formula for calculation which - coincidentally? - is cited by FOX News about 30 times a day that I catch.
I know that MSNBC tends to gravitate towards the ABC/Wash Post polls, which tend to skew left. I'm pretty sure FOX - with the same bag of tricks - is going to choose the poll which skews furthest to the right.
So your using a poll which uses HALF of Rasmussen seems like it might be half-wrong.
Gallup has a history of making both parties look good, and bad. They skewered Clinton and they worshipped Bush, when the population was doing the same.
RCP uses SEVERAL polls (Gallup and Rasmussen are just two of them) and gives an average. So, all of those factors (polls skewing left or right) are taken into consideration.
Again, Obama's RCP average is 47%, which sounds reasonable.
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File that under the "Broken clock, being right twice a day" category!!
I worked for years in grocery stores and unfortunately, the NE was always in the break room to read. They're not "The sun" and bat Boy, etc. When it comes to affairs, they are pretty darn accurate. When challenged (which is rare), their following issue releases all the juicy details and pics. Some people, like Gifford, were dumb enough to deny the NE's accusations. At that point, they released all the pics.
So if I had to bet the rent check, I'd say they were pretty accurate with the Palin story. Have you guys read it? Divorce records, scorned ex's, etc... it would have been pretty damaging to Palin, which is why (despite the fact she was constantly calling out journalists, bloggers, and threatening to sue them at the time), she was VERY quiet on the national enquirer article.
Remember - her legal team was attacking alaskan blogger - even outting one of them who was a kindergarten teacher, threatening all sorts of things. I mean, she was going after them like no politician does. yet she stays quiet on the NE article?
Well, tony, you introduced NE into this debate out of nowhere. So I'd like to hear your opinion. Why would Palin's team go after individual bloggers with threats of lawsuit, but completely ignore the Enquirer's claims?
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Gallup, the poll which has been following presidents for 30+ years, has him at 48%.
http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
I prefer them because they have decades of data showing presidents of both parties at high and low points. They had no problem putting clinton below 50% after his first year as well - so people can't claim liberal bias. They also showed Bush2 when he was in the 80s, etc. Gallup has been the long established leader of presidential polling. They have Obama at 48%, whereabout he has floated for 6 months now.
I don't know that it's a coincidence that FOX uses Rasmussen almost exclusively. Most media-saavy people admit FOX does a good job of "evening out" the left-wing slany by delivering their own right-wing slant.
My point is that you are choosing a poll with less experience, maybe because you find the numbers a bit more enjoyable for your own political preferences.
Who called it correct on the last Presidential Election Rob ?
Here Ill help you:
It was Rasmussen !!
Rasmussen came in #1
and Gallup came in #17 (out of 23)
http://www.fordham.edu/images/academics/graduate_schools/gsas/elections_and_campaign_/poll%20accuracy%20in%20the%202008%20presidential%20election.pdf
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I worked for years in grocery stores and unfortunately, the NE was always in the break room to read. They're not "The sun" and bat Boy, etc. When it comes to affairs, they are pretty darn accurate. When challenged (which is rare), their following issue releases all the juicy details and pics. Some people, like Gifford, were dumb enough to deny the NE's accusations. At that point, they released all the pics.
So if I had to bet the rent check, I'd say they were pretty accurate with the Palin story. Have you guys read it? Divorce records, scorned ex's, etc... it would have been pretty damaging to Palin, which is why (despite the fact she was constantly calling out journalists, bloggers, and threatening to sue them at the time), she was VERY quiet on the national enquirer article.
Remember - her legal team was attacking alaskan blogger - even outting one of them who was a kindergarten teacher, threatening all sorts of things. I mean, she was going after them like no politician does. yet she stays quiet on the NE article?
Well, tony, you introduced NE into this debate out of nowhere. So I'd like to hear your opinion. Why would Palin's team go after individual bloggers with threats of lawsuit, but completely ignore the Enquirer's claims?
LMAO she denied any and all affairs she threatened suit and the NAT ENQ dropped it...if they always have the goods why didnt they out her when she threatened to sue?
maybe you have selective amnesia we already know you have selective hearing... ::)
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240 - who was the most accurate pollster in 2008?
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240 - who was the most accurate pollster in 2008?
I pointed this fact out to Rob a while back (that Rasmussen is more accurate)
He probably just forgot........ ::)
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Cool - link to palin saying she would sue the enquirer, i did not know this?
Also, can yall share Rass records for 2004 and before? How new are they? The kid from ultra-lib fivethirtyseven.com also nailed all electoral votes/states 100% correct - can we refer to him as very wise now as well?
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Cool - link to palin saying she would sue the enquirer, i did not know this?
Also, can yall share Rass records for 2004 and before? How new are they? The kid from ultra-lib fivethirtyseven.com also nailed all electoral votes/states 100% correct - can we refer to him as very wise now as well?
Rasmussen beat Gallup in 2004 as well.
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Rasmussen's president was a paid consultant to GWB's 2004 campaign.
if accuracy = correct, let's look at what nate Silver (who was the only nationwide predictor who nailed 100% of electoral votes in 2008) has to say about rasmussen:
In an analysis posted at FiveThirtyEight.com on April 17, 2010, Silver concluded that since the end of the 2008 election cycle, Rasmussen's "house effect" was skewing its polling numbers and that "to believe that Rasmussen is getting it right: you also have to believe that almost everyone else is getting it wrong."
WIKI gets into it further:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports
They are right most of the time, but they are heavily politically influenced. So if they have Obama at 42%, and others have him at 48%, then he's in the middle somewhere.
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Rasmussen's president was a paid consultant to GWB's 2004 campaign.
if accuracy = correct, let's look at what nate Silver (who was the only nationwide predictor who nailed 100% of electoral votes in 2008) has to say about rasmussen:
In an analysis posted at FiveThirtyEight.com on April 17, 2010, Silver concluded that since the end of the 2008 election cycle, Rasmussen's "house effect" was skewing its polling numbers and that "to believe that Rasmussen is getting it right: you also have to believe that almost everyone else is getting it wrong."
WIKI gets into it further:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports
They are right most of the time, but they are heavily politically influenced. So if they have Obama at 42%, and others have him at 48%, then he's in the middle somewhere.
which is still mind-boggling to me.
Well, not really since 47% pay no income taxes at all.
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Rasmussen's president was a paid consultant to GWB's 2004 campaign.
if accuracy = correct, let's look at what nate Silver (who was the only nationwide predictor who nailed 100% of electoral votes in 2008) has to say about rasmussen:
In an analysis posted at FiveThirtyEight.com on April 17, 2010, Silver concluded that since the end of the 2008 election cycle, Rasmussen's "house effect" was skewing its polling numbers and that "to believe that Rasmussen is getting it right: you also have to believe that almost everyone else is getting it wrong."
WIKI gets into it further:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports
They are right most of the time, but they are heavily politically influenced. So if they have Obama at 42%, and others have him at 48%, then he's in the middle somewhere.
Facts:
Rasmussen came in #1 in accuracy in the last Presidential Election, and Gallup barely made the top 20
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Cool - link to palin saying she would sue the enquirer, i did not know this?
Im sure you did know this you simply choose to not believe it...Just like you choose to believe her baby rumors, wheres the proof on that? her affair, wheres the proof on that? 9/11, wheres the proof on that? fake pilots, fake planes, fake passengers, missles hitting the pentegon, explosives in basements of the towers, wheres the proof on those...
from a fellow palin hater...
http://sarahpalinexposed.com/?p=269
"the McCain campaign is now threatening to sue the National Enquirer campaign"
http://www.mahalo.com/sarah-palin-affair-lawsuit
"Palin has denied the accusations"
now i thought you said as soon as the person denies it they come foreword with the proof, why havent they come foreward? maybe there waiting for her to make a 2012 run?
::) ::) ::)
fucking idiot
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damn youre a negative person dude. Do you talk to others around you like that as well? i also didn't know we were turning the approval thread into a '911 missile theory' thread.
um okay.
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240 - do you approvae of the job bammer is doing?
YES OR NO?
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of course not. he should have instantly ended both wars and declared our bases will remain. He should have mined the borders. he should have 'accidentally' set off nukes exactly 2008 miles from the borders of any country that threatened to drop the dollar. He should have sent the CEos of top companies to GITMO for a year.
None of this pandering shit. But I dont think the repubs would be doing things that much better either - so I also give Mccain/palin a non-approval. I do, however, give Ron Paul a thumbs up, in whatever parallel universe in which he is currenly kicking ass as POTUS.
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240 - do you approvae of the job bammer is doing?
YES OR NO?
Que for a "pendulum story", or a "I voted for Barr" or " McCain would not have been any better"
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damn youre a negative person dude. Do you talk to others around you like that as well? i also didn't know we were turning the approval thread into a '911 missile theory' thread.
um okay.
actually im a very positive person but i have no patience for ignorance...
so why hasnt the nat enq come foreward with their proof 240? she has denied it and they have been threatened with a law suit...
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I said "Of course not". Then I offered what he SHOULD have done.
I mean, did you want something more than that?
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so why hasnt the nat enq come foreward with their proof 240? she has denied it and they have been threatened with a law suit...
bump bump biggity bump
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she hasn't sued them. She put out a press release against an outrageous claim by then - why didn't she sue?
Why didn't she sue, tony?
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http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/75161/the-rasmussen-problem (http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/75161/the-rasmussen-problem)
Daniel Foster at National Review trumpets a decline in President Obama's approval ratings:
Obama Approval Index Hits New Low
Rasmussen has Obama's approval index — strong disapproval subtracted from strong approval — at -20, its lowest point to date. Obama's overall approval/disapproval split stands 42/56, dragged down by poor grades on the economy and the handling of the BP oil spill.
Are Obama's approval ratings falling? Well, yes, according to Rasmussen. No, according to everybody else
Rasmussen polling occupies an odd place in the political culture. In the conservative world, it is the gold standard. If you go to a conservative set on basically any random day, you'll see somebody touting a Rasmussen poll. Here is John McCormack at the Weekly Standard touting a poll showing huge support to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Here is Peter Wehner at Commentary doing the same. Rasmussen frequently asks unusual polling questions that produce results almost certainly calculated to demonstrate public support for the conservative position. (Here's one example of a loaded Rasmussen question.) Rasmussen has become a right-wing celebrity. He's the author of a conservative book. This fall he is a featured guest on National Review's cruise, along with other conservative luminaries.
Part of Rasmussen's celebrity status derives from the fact that even his polls on commonly-asked questions skew strongly toward the conservative position. Here, for instance, is Nate Silver's depiction of Rasmussen's measure of party identification:
Rasmussen's role in the public debate is problematic for several reasons. It's not altogether clear what causes him to consistently project results so much at odds with those of the rest of the polling community. But if there is something problematic about his methods, he has little incentive to correct it, because Rasmussen's business model increasingly relies upon maintaining the loyalty of staunch Republicans.
Now, to be perfectly clear about this, it's possible that Rasmussen is right and everybody else is wrong. The safest approach to using polling data is to include all results. The trouble is that Rasmussen can have such large outliers, and it polls so often, that the very inclusion of Rasmussen changes the results. The graph near the top of this item, showing level public approval for Obama, would show a steep dip if it included Rasmussen's findings, the latest of which has Obama sporting a disastrous 42/56 approval rating.
But the more problematic dynamic is Rasmussen's symbiotic relationship with the conservative base. The habitual practice by conservative pundits of quoting only Rasmussen polling reinforces conservatives' overweening certainty that they embody public opinion. It's an important component of right-wing epistemic closure, the Republican base having its own pollster who always tells them what they want to hear. In theory, there ought to be a corrective dynamic. If Rasmussen is wrong about the 2010 elections -- and, again, you can't be certain he will be -- in theory, this would cause Republicans to question their reliance upon his unusual findings. But it's entirely possible that Republicans would simply question the validity of the results themselves. It's massive voter fraud! Obama dirty tricks! Having heard on a daily basis that the American public had rejected the Democrats wholeheartedly, disbelieving the validity of the election results would create less cognitive dissonance.
Of course, one solution would be for the conservative pundits who relentlessly cite Rasmussen's findings to inform their readers that those findings, while not necessarily wrong, represent an outlier among pollsters. But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5ieXw28ZUpg/S8oU0RuAR5I/AAAAAAAABoU/WNSVDhJU-Z0/s400/parti4.png)
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Go to RCP Danny: obama is simply losing popularity daily, and for good reason. His agenda, his appointments, his policies, etc SUCK!
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she hasn't sued them. She put out a press release against an outrageous claim by then - why didn't she sue?
Why didn't she sue, tony?
B/C THEY DROPPED IT...you know why they dropped it? ;)
also do you know what is involved in suing for libel or slander as a public figure?
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http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/75161/the-rasmussen-problem (http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/75161/the-rasmussen-problem)
Daniel Foster at National Review trumpets a decline in President Obama's approval ratings:
Obama Approval Index Hits New Low
Rasmussen has Obama's approval index — strong disapproval subtracted from strong approval — at -20, its lowest point to date. Obama's overall approval/disapproval split stands 42/56, dragged down by poor grades on the economy and the handling of the BP oil spill.
Are Obama's approval ratings falling? Well, yes, according to Rasmussen. No, according to everybody else
Rasmussen polling occupies an odd place in the political culture. In the conservative world, it is the gold standard. If you go to a conservative set on basically any random day, you'll see somebody touting a Rasmussen poll. Here is John McCormack at the Weekly Standard touting a poll showing huge support to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Here is Peter Wehner at Commentary doing the same. Rasmussen frequently asks unusual polling questions that produce results almost certainly calculated to demonstrate public support for the conservative position. (Here's one example of a loaded Rasmussen question.) Rasmussen has become a right-wing celebrity. He's the author of a conservative book. This fall he is a featured guest on National Review's cruise, along with other conservative luminaries.
Part of Rasmussen's celebrity status derives from the fact that even his polls on commonly-asked questions skew strongly toward the conservative position. Here, for instance, is Nate Silver's depiction of Rasmussen's measure of party identification:
Rasmussen's role in the public debate is problematic for several reasons. It's not altogether clear what causes him to consistently project results so much at odds with those of the rest of the polling community. But if there is something problematic about his methods, he has little incentive to correct it, because Rasmussen's business model increasingly relies upon maintaining the loyalty of staunch Republicans.
Now, to be perfectly clear about this, it's possible that Rasmussen is right and everybody else is wrong. The safest approach to using polling data is to include all results. The trouble is that Rasmussen can have such large outliers, and it polls so often, that the very inclusion of Rasmussen changes the results. The graph near the top of this item, showing level public approval for Obama, would show a steep dip if it included Rasmussen's findings, the latest of which has Obama sporting a disastrous 42/56 approval rating.
But the more problematic dynamic is Rasmussen's symbiotic relationship with the conservative base. The habitual practice by conservative pundits of quoting only Rasmussen polling reinforces conservatives' overweening certainty that they embody public opinion. It's an important component of right-wing epistemic closure, the Republican base having its own pollster who always tells them what they want to hear. In theory, there ought to be a corrective dynamic. If Rasmussen is wrong about the 2010 elections -- and, again, you can't be certain he will be -- in theory, this would cause Republicans to question their reliance upon his unusual findings. But it's entirely possible that Republicans would simply question the validity of the results themselves. It's massive voter fraud! Obama dirty tricks! Having heard on a daily basis that the American public had rejected the Democrats wholeheartedly, disbelieving the validity of the election results would create less cognitive dissonance.
Of course, one solution would be for the conservative pundits who relentlessly cite Rasmussen's findings to inform their readers that those findings, while not necessarily wrong, represent an outlier among pollsters. But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5ieXw28ZUpg/S8oU0RuAR5I/AAAAAAAABoU/WNSVDhJU-Z0/s400/parti4.png)
I wonder when Newsweek will inform their readers the same thing?
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I worked for years in grocery stores and unfortunately, the NE was always in the break room to read. They're not "The sun" and bat Boy, etc. When it comes to affairs, they are pretty darn accurate. When challenged (which is rare), their following issue releases all the juicy details and pics. Some people, like Gifford, were dumb enough to deny the NE's accusations. At that point, they released all the pics.
So if I had to bet the rent check, I'd say they were pretty accurate with the Palin story. Have you guys read it? Divorce records, scorned ex's, etc... it would have been pretty damaging to Palin, which is why (despite the fact she was constantly calling out journalists, bloggers, and threatening to sue them at the time), she was VERY quiet on the national enquirer article.
Remember - her legal team was attacking alaskan blogger - even outting one of them who was a kindergarten teacher, threatening all sorts of things. I mean, she was going after them like no politician does. yet she stays quiet on the NE article?
Well, tony, you introduced NE into this debate out of nowhere. So I'd like to hear your opinion. Why would Palin's team go after individual bloggers with threats of lawsuit, but completely ignore the Enquirer's claims?
come on 240 its obvious she has challenged them so why havent they come out with their proof?
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Hey, I'm not a lawyer. We can let the legal minds here tell us why Palin hasn't sued as promised. Or you can email her at Palin@ruiningGOP2012chances.com and ask her.
Does anyone know why this is the case?
Are Obama's approval ratings falling? Well, yes, according to Rasmussen. No, according to everybody else
What does Rass know that everyone else does not? And does their president's past relationship as a paid GOP advisor have anything to do with it?
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Hey, I'm not a lawyer. We can let the legal minds here tell us why Palin hasn't sued as promised. Or you can email her at Palin@ruiningGOP2012chances.com and ask her.
you most certainly are not a lawyer, you most certainly are not straight foreward either
you said that when challenged the nat enq's next issue has all the juicy details...
where they challenged by palin?
yes
did the next issue contain the juicy details?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
guess there waiting for her 2012 run to really lay into her huh? diabolical those ppl at nat enq are ;)
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Didn't the National Enquirer also run stories about Obama cheating on his wife ?
Why did 240 never post a thread on this, like he did about Sarah Palin ?
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Didn't the National Enquirer also run stories about Obama cheating on his wife ?
Why did 240 never post a thread on this, like he did about Sarah Palin ?
BWHAHAHAUAHHAHAHHHAHAHHHA speak to this 240...
http://coverawards.com/2008/04/23/barack-obamas-marriage-explodes-according-to-national-enquirer/
His wife Michelle is “confronting him over cheating.”
When it comes to affairs, they are pretty darn accurate.
LMFAO was the nat enq accurate on these accusations too? :) ;) :D ;D ;) :D ;D :)
how come we didnt see any of these threads during the election from you 240?
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Well 240... Why did you never post about this ?
(http://coverawards.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/nebarack.jpg)
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Do you remember my original reply to the obama accusation?
please look it up. Please. What is the date of that? 33 showed it and I was the first to pipe in with "He probably did it".
james - I did post about this. I'm very consistent with my defense of the NE affair stories. I was very vocal about the Edwards one as well - when Coulter went on hardball *(9 months before FOX mentioned it). I was the first one to post on getbig "Edwards affair accusation" a full 9 months before FOX talked about it.
So yea, I am more consistent than you think.
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Do you remember my original reply to the obama accusation?
please look it up. Please. What is the date of that? 33 showed it and I was the first to pipe in with "He probably did it".
james - I did post about this. I'm very consistent with my defense of the NE affair stories. I was very vocal about the Edwards one as well - when Coulter went on hardball *(9 months before FOX mentioned it). I was the first one to post on getbig "Edwards affair accusation" a full 9 months before FOX talked about it.
So yea, I am more consistent than you think.
LOL i have never not once seen you comment on this...please post your quote
Ive also never seen you start any threads to this end, how many palin threads did you start about her cheating and nat enq bs?
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Go to RCP Danny: obama is simply losing popularity daily, and for good reason. His agenda, his appointments, his policies, etc SUCK!
That might be true at some extent and normal, I might add, however the one thing I don't understand is why some the guys here tend to believe ONLY Rasmussen when it comes to polling when it is clearly established they have a little bit of a tendency to embellish their polling results in a certain direction to say it nicely? So Rasmussen is good , Fox is the Bible ,never wrong, Rush is God on the radio ....doesn't that make people that follow this trend religiously a little narrow minded and confines them to a limited source of information, basically a unilateral point of view??
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Wasn't there an article by the Enquirer (or some other tabloid) about Obama being gay?
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LOL i have never not once seen you comment on this...please post your quote
It was beach bum I think, then 333386 in a merged thread, that posted this.
I was very vocal on it. You can doubt it if you want. I tried the 'search' function, but it didn't work. believe me or not. Ask 33 if you'd like. Or when search works, we can bump their thread. I was all over obama on it.
Seriously, I think yall often have a one-sided view of what I post. I'm very happy to admit when Dems are POS or when they are probably guilty on something. it's because I hated on that 2008 POS ticket yall ran, you label me a lib. Anyone with a brain here knows I'll be supporting Thune in 2012 (but not palin) not because I'm a lib, but because Palin is not presidential material IMO.
So yeah, I was all over obama for it. Don't just say "you never said..." if you missed that initial thread here.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=298874.0
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=298874.0
OH!!
The claim was Obama was just a ho, not gay. I see!!!
BTW, 333386, that Lewinsky pin was just plain WRONG!!!!
;D
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LOL i have never not once seen you comment on this...please post your quote
It's too early to read thru it all, so I don't know what they're claiming. However, I will say - if they're claiming an affir with evidence, it's probably true. From an obama kneepadding lib like myself - the Enquirer knows this will hand Hilary the 2012 nomination.
Almost a month ago, i said it's probably true. You have the quote now. So please, guys, stop just assuming I defend everything Obama says or does.
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240 - how does it feel being the center of attention all the time?
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??? Well, for some reason it's always "here is an article about Obama... why no comment 240?"
I mean, when I post a story, I post a story. If another member wants to talk about it, he/she will. I don't understand people having to hear what I think. I'm just another uninformed d-bag like the rest of you :)
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240 - I think your slippery nature invites the attention you get.
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you dont have to look at polls to see people are disliking obama more, I travel the country and it is a rare thing to speak to someone who supports obama. And I spaek to all different kinds of people. One guys wife I was conversating with told me if I want to find obama supporters go to the food stamp office, a jail , a welfare or social security office lol . Hell just drive around and look for yourself at all the small businesses disapearing. Do you really need a poll to spell it out for you, does it not mean anything that people are scared shitless to invest anything??? pull your heads out and look around and stop depending on news outlets
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Do you remember my original reply to the obama accusation?
please look it up. Please. What is the date of that? 33 showed it and I was the first to pipe in with "He probably did it".
james - I did post about this. I'm very consistent with my defense of the NE affair stories. I was very vocal about the Edwards one as well - when Coulter went on hardball *(9 months before FOX mentioned it). I was the first one to post on getbig "Edwards affair accusation" a full 9 months before FOX talked about it.
So yea, I am more consistent than you think.
James has been corrected. :)
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haha no worries. i'm blessed/cursed with this damn partial photographic memory. I can remember minor details from posts 5 or 6 years ago. When I was little, I could snapshot entire pages of textbooks. I still have glimpses of it, but I'm sorry to say the year of jaeger then wine seems to have dulled the senses.
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haha no worries. i'm blessed/cursed with this damn partial photographic memory. I can remember minor details from posts 5 or 6 years ago. When I was little, I could snapshot entire pages of textbooks. I still have glimpses of it, but I'm sorry to say the year of jaeger then wine seems to have dulled the senses.
Damn 240, You should have become a Doctor.... wait, I forgot about Obamacare, scratch that.
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hahahahahahha
I have that recall ability, but the in-depth comprehension stuff... my temprament doesn't allow me to do that. I don't have patience. I frustrate easily. But I got my MBA and a ton of computer certifications without much work at all. Read and remember.
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Down to 38% among Independents
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July 7, 2010
Obama Job Approval Rating Down to 38% Among IndependentsOverall job ratings for the president continue to be below majority levelby Jeffrey M. JonesPRINCETON, NJ -- Thirty-eight percent of independents approve of the job Barack Obama is doing as president, the first time independent approval of Obama has dropped below 40% in a Gallup Daily tracking weekly aggregate. Meanwhile, Obama maintains the support of 81% of Democrats, and his job approval among Republicans remains low, at 12%.
These data are based on Gallup Daily tracking interviews conducted the week of June 28-July 4.
Over the past year, Obama has lost support among all party groups, though the decline has been steeper among independents than among Republicans or Democrats. Today's 38% approval rating among independents is 18 percentage points lower than the 56% found July 6-12, 2009. During the same period, his support has fallen nine points among Democrats (from 90% to 81%) and eight points among Republicans (from 20% to 12%).
Overall, 46% of Americans approve of the job Obama is doing as president in the June 28-July 4 aggregate, one point above his lowest weekly average. Obama's average weekly job approval rating has not been above 50% since Feb. 8-14, though it reached the 50% mark as recently as May 3-9.
Obama's lower ratings come amid a still-struggling economy, the ongoing difficulties presented by the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, and the recent change of command in the war in Afghanistan. Underscoring the challenge at hand, Obama's 44% approval rating in July 2-5 polling (Gallup did not interview July 4) ties his lowest three-day average to date.
Bottom Line
Obama is not alone in facing a challenging second year in office -- Bill Clinton (43%), Ronald Reagan (42%), and Jimmy Carter (40%) all were below the majority approval level in July of their second year. Of course, each of those presidents saw his party lose a substantial number of seats in that year's midterm congressional elections, though both Reagan and Clinton recovered in time to win a second term as president.
Gallup Daily tracking of Election 2010 voting preferences suggests a more favorable Republican than Democratic outcome this year if the elections were held today. Even so, there are still nearly four months remaining before the elections, and thus, time for the Democrats' prospects to improve.
Explore Obama's approval ratings in-depth and compare to past presidents in the Gallup Presidential Job Approval Center.
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44% today on gallup.com
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44% today on gallup.com
That is not good.
I think the oil mess, AZ lawsuit, and the latest jobs report are a bridge too far for many people.
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His RCP average is 46%. But, for only the second time this year, he's upside down (46.0 approve; 46.3 disapprove).
Plus, he's only at 38% among independents, according to Gallup.
The Dems inch ever so close to the woodshed, this fall.
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That is not good.
I think the oil mess, AZ lawsuit, and the latest jobs report are a bridge too far for many people.
yeah, but he was at 47% on april 5 gallup - 1 week after obamacare passed- and everyone declared he was about to plummet.
So in over 3 months of rampany outright libbing it up - including BP spill, amnesty talk, finreg bill, and sick UE rates - he's only dropped an average of 1 point PER MONTH?
Sheeeeit, if he gets crap/trade, amnesty and whatever other bill he wants - he'll GLADLY take a drop of ONE POINT PER MONTH for it.
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He has a natural constituency of at least 40% 240. Its never going to go lower than that unless he cuts off the welfare checks and fires govt workers.
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I doubt he gets the independents back.
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I doubt he gets the independents back.
NO WAY!
His numbers just got worse on RCP 46.1 - Approve; 48.0 Disapprove
That's why he's pushing this lawsuit against AZ. He's trying to kiss-up to the Latinos. But, many of them AGREE with the AZ bill. If he loses too many of them and the indies/moderates, HE IS DEAD (and so are the Democrats)!!
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NO WAY!
His numbers just got worse on RCP 46.1 - Approve; 48.0 Disapprove
That's why he's pushing this lawsuit against AZ. He's trying to kiss-up to the Latinos. But, many of them AGREE with the AZ bill. If he loses too many of them and the indies/moderates, HE IS DEAD (and so are the Democrats)!!
He might already be done. He cannot win without independents. At this point, I think the only things that keep him in the White House are another war/terrorist attack or the lack of a strong Republican candidate.
I can't imagine him being able to survive all of the poor decisions, broken promises, butt kissing, lack of improvement in the economy, lack of respect by the military, etc.
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He might already be done. He cannot win without independents. At this point, I think the only things that keep him in the White House are another war/terrorist attack or the lack of a strong Republican candidate.
I can't imagine him being able to survive all of the poor decisions, broken promises, butt kissing, lack of improvement in the economy, lack of respect by the military, etc.
Another terrorist attack and he is TOAST! Remember that we've already had TWO of them, and the only reason we ain't weeping and gnashing our teeth is because the terrorists couldn't light off the bombs. That's like a guy, cracking your security staff, putting a gun to your head, and it's just dumb luck that he forgets to disengage the safety.
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Another terrorist attack and he is TOAST! Remember that we've already had TWO of them, and the only reason we ain't weeping and gnashing our teeth is because the terrorists couldn't light off the bombs. That's like a guy, cracking your security staff, putting a gun to your head, and it's just dumb luck that he forgets to disengage the safety.
I don't know. Remember what happened to Dubya's approval rating after 9/11? Remember how popular Bush Sr. became during Desert Storm?
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I don't know. Remember what happened to Dubya's approval rating after 9/11? Remember how popular Bush Sr. became during Desert Storm?
The problem is that 9/11 happened only 9 months in to W term. Obama already is on notice for terrorism via the last two attempts and is already shown for an incompetent.
I don't think people will be as forgiving, especially considering the fact that the DOJ wants the NYC trials, etc.
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The problem is that 9/11 happened only 9 months in to W term. Obama already is on notice for terrorism via the last two attempts and is already shown for an incompetent.
I don't think people will be as forgiving, especially considering the fact that the DOJ wants the NYC trials, etc.
It depends. If this is an attack that we didn't see coming (like 9/11) and it gives Obama the opportunity to identify the culprits and take swift, decisive military action, he'll look like a strong leader. I hope this doesn't happen, because it will cost American lives, but history says he would benefit from a tragedy.
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Gallup: New Low for Obama, 48% Disapproval
Friday, 09 Jul 2010
By: David A. Patten
A Gallup daily tracking poll released Friday shows President Obama's disapproval rating matching its worst performance ever.
Forty-eight percent now disapprove of Obama's job performance. That matches the president's record disapproval rating recorded in March, April, and June.
Only 45 percent of voters who approve of the president's job performance, according to the tracking poll of 1,500 adults, which has a margin of error of 3 percent.
Friday's news followed hard on the heels of a July 7 survey that showed the president's job approval among the all-important independent voters has dropped to only 38 percent.
Obama continues to enjoy strong support from the Democratic base – 81 percent of Democrats approve of his job performance – but Republicans and independents are increasingly critical. Only 12 percent of GOP voters approve of the job Obama has done.
High unemployment, the sluggish economy, and the federal response to the oil spill in the Gulf are all reasons pundits give for Obama's slipping poll numbers. Any further slippage could call into question Obama's effectiveness on the campaign trail on behalf of Democrats hoping to win re-election.
The latest generic ballots show U.S. voters preferring Republican over Democratic candidates by 46 percent to 44 percent.
Polls also indicate Republicans are more enthusiastic about the looming midterm elections. That means they are more likely to turn out to cast ballots for their preferred candidates.
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Gallup-Obama-48-PERCENT-Disapproval/2010/07/09/id/364233
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He's got the Bob Barr vote. ;D ;D
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no matter what - an outside terror attack will give any prez a major bump in polls.
god forbid it happens, obama would climb a lot.
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no matter what - an outside terror attack will give any prez a major bump in polls.
god forbid it happens, obama would climb a lot.
Not if its a result of his continued, repeated, historical, and penchant for incompetence.
240 -serious - did you vote for bob barr?