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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Meso_z on August 06, 2010, 01:28:01 PM
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right now im using only 1g of test alone. is it enough for mass gains?
i know its better conbined with an other anabolic but i just came off dbol and im just continiuing test.
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test isnt any better when mixed with any other steroid. the reaosn you can soemtimes get better gains by mixing another roid with it isnt because the extra roid does anything to the way test works, its because the other roid.... is another roid! more steroids= more effects.
test is probably the only steroid you would want to run by itself, taking into consideration sex drive, estrogen, and everything else. and it is also probably the best steroid, maybe tren as the only exception, for mass and strength gains.
is 1 gram of test enough? its more than enough
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Test is the best for everything.
1g is enough.
Test is cheap and effective, most other drugs are a waste of money and could just be replaced with more test.
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Test is the best for everything.
1g is enough.
Test is cheap and effective, most other drugs are a waste of money and could just be replaced with more test.
8)
this needs to be nailed into every serious bodybuilders brain. i dont know how many times ive had to talk sense into buddies of mine at the gym, always asking about this new "stack" or new "best way".. ugh..
nice to have other experienced, no-bullshit posters overload.
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Yes if you can't grow off 1g of test you are doing something very wrong. I don't care what anyone says 1g is a lot of fucking testosterone every week. Back in the day guys used to run 500mg and that was enough to get huge on.
And the point of stacking a couple of injectables is because not all steroids exert their effects through the androgen receptor. Many injectables work through what's called non AR mediated pathways.
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Many injectables work through what's called non AR mediated pathways.
this way a theory that anthony roberts came up with ad theres no evidence to believe in it. it was part of his "type 1 and type 2" steroids idea. there are some effects that arent directly related to the andorgen recpeotr, for example increased gh levels. but these "non ar mediated" effects occur with all steroids, so stacking doesnt make sense even for4 that reaosn.
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this way a theory that anthony roberts came up with ad theres no evidence to believe in it. it was part of his "type 1 and type 2" steroids idea. there are some effects that arent directly related to the andorgen recpeotr, for example increased gh levels. but these "non ar mediated" effects occur with all steroids, so stacking doesnt make sense even for4 that reaosn.
Actually lots of guys from Bill Roberts to Patrick Arnold to Lyle McDonald have written about it and you can find lots of medical and scientific studies to back this up. I didn't mention class I and class II steroids and that has nothing to do with non mediated AR muscle growth.
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right now im using only 1g of test alone. is it enough for mass gains?
i know its better conbined with an other anabolic but i just came off dbol and im just continiuing test.
ONLY 1g?!? did you gain from anything lower? if you didnt gain from 500 or 750mg , you aint gaining from 1g.
and if you got to ask this question, you probably shouldnt be running 1g
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250mg test e a week as a base
1 1/2-2 ml prop eod as well...this works for me much better than 4 ml of test e itself.
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Fuck man, I feel ashamed running a few hundred mgs of test and another compound. Ran a gram for a few weeks and grew like a weed. Would have kept at it but broke out hardcore after training and passing out on a leather couch for like 12 hours without showering. Felt scared at how successful my training was at that dose of just test alone. The rumors were true.
If I upped the dose to a gram I can honestly say I'd put on 10lbs of solid mass due to muscle memory. Most people look for complicated answers, especially with bodybuilding. Its absolutely true that test, hard training and big eating is a solid game plan for anyone.
Serious competitors I know do this too and I wished I never spent so much money running eccentric courses of steroids and cycling them. Just staying on, running test and employing some periodization with my training so I don't burn out mentally or physically will do the trick once I can fully commit to training in a few weeks (will finally get married on the 21st - gonna juice hardcore). Should have done this years ago. Fuck chicken breasts, masteron and internet gurus. Could have saved thousands of dollars, thousands of hours better spent with loved ones and ditched a fuckload of stress.
Running 600mg/ew up from 200mg/ew and I feel like a God already. 1200mg/ew is probably what I'll max out at. Gonna be fun.
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I'm currently on week five of one amp of organon sustanon only and the gains have been tremendous. And this time no heart palpitations/weird feelings etc. i think it's because I'm on sick leave from work and have no "extra stress."
All i can say is that I'm sure as hell happy how i react to gear, i have a closet full of allmost every known AAS to man, but so far there's been no need to add any... :D
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Thats funny you mention heart palpatations because i had them when i was running about 6 different compounds...they are pretty scary...i love test only cycles...my next cycle will probably be ten weeks of test prop by itself
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Thats funny you mention heart palpatations because i had them when i was running about 6 different compounds...they are pretty scary...i love test only cycles...my next cycle will probably be ten weeks of test prop by itself
Yeah, that literally scared the shit out of me!
And i did get these really weird chest feelings too, but thankfully not anymore... The way couple of friends have reacted to tren makes me want to stay away from it 4eva...
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I'm currently on week five of one amp of organon sustanon only and the gains have been tremendous. And this time no heart palpitations/weird feelings etc. i think it's because I'm on sick leave from work and have no "extra stress."
All i can say is that I'm sure as hell happy how i react to gear, i have a closet full of allmost every known AAS to man, but so far there's been no need to add any... :D
With only using sust you not really getting the full effect of all the differant esters because of there half life's. Why not a test E or test C? Just carious.
Thats crazy about the heart stuff I hope I never get that.
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So the test only cycle is the "in" thing..... :D
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So the test only cycle is the "in" thing..... :D
Not necessarily the "IN" thing, but great for a new user, or someone fairly to AAS. I still run test only some times. I also add other compounds sometimes.
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This is kind of a retarded question from someone using a supposed 1g of test a week.
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sounds like he jumped in full bore and started at 1000mg?
to the op, back it down to 500mg per week and ride it out.
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This is kind of a retarded question from someone using a supposed 1g of test a week.
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seems like you know me in real life too?
im a competitor, competed couple times and tried many drugs.
not much money right now to run diferrent "compounds" so test only cycle so far seems ok.
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With only using sust you not really getting the full effect of all the differant esters because of there half life's. Why not a test E or test C? Just carious.
Thats crazy about the heart stuff I hope I never get that.
Well, it's a couple of things really, on sust i feel better and seem to get better results than with the other esters :o. Of course one reason might be the fact the sust i get is hg for sure, but with many other products out there you never know. And yeah i know that sust gets counterfeited a lot too, but at least i have a good connections for it...
PS. The worst test i ever tried was test e from aburaihan...
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Well, it's a couple of things really, on sust i feel better and seem to get better results than with the other esters :o. Of course one reason might be the fact the sust i get is hg for sure, but with many other products out there you never know. And yeah i know that sust gets counterfeited a lot too, but at least i have a good connections for it...
PS. The worst test i ever tried was test e from aburaihan...
Im using legit normas...
right now im pretty broke so im using only test. its not expensinve at all 3$ straight from the pharm.
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Im using legit normas...
right now im pretty broke so im using only test. its not expensinve at all 3$ straight from the pharm.
Fuck you :(
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I get Scherings for $4 but I'm in the states 8)
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I get Scherings for $4 but I'm in the states 8)
Pakishiti Schering should never cost you more than $2.50 an amp. You're paying almost twice as much.
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seriously fuck you guys
I pay more than that for underground garbage
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seriously fuck you guys
I pay more than that for underground garbage
lol..
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I get real Schering for just a little over a buck an amp.
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santy clause brings me a big red bag of scherings every christmas for free so i win
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santy clause brings me a big red bag of scherings every christmas for free so i win
Thats it, I'm telling Ron to ban you
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seriously fuck you guys
I pay more than that for underground garbage
X2
canada customs suck huuuuuge dicks.
lets buy a boat and make a lil trip to Greece, pakistan and stuff lol
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seriously fuck you guys
I pay more than that for underground garbage
im with you stav, fuck both of these bros!!!!
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I'm going to make my first run a Test E only cycle at 500/wk. Seems like the perfect beginners cycle to get accustomed to the effects if there is any on you body.
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I'm going to make my first run a Test E only cycle at 500/wk. Seems like the perfect beginners cycle to get accustomed to the effects if there is any on you body.
500mg test only would be a great place to start for a first cycle.
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Wish I would have started my first cycle with 500 mg five years ago. :'(
But I've learned alot since then.
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Wish I would have started my first cycle with 500 mg five years ago. :'(
But I've learned alot since then.
What was your first cycle?
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I get real Schering for just a little over a buck an amp.
WTF
Where? Domestic?
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500mg test only would be a great place to start for a first cycle.
yea I figured this would be a great place to start at since I never been to the darkside yet but seeing i'm 27 now and pretty much hit my natural potential I figured its time to give it a try and take it to the next level
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What was your first cycle?
Sus 250 mg PER WEEK!!! Wow I though I knew what I was doing. Little did I know that I needed to inject eod due to esters. Being part of this board for 5 plus years I learned a lot from the mods. I don't post often cause I like to research. I see alot of guys posting questions that have been answered over and over again.
RESEARCH is key.
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Sus 250 mg PER WEEK!!! Wow I though I knew what I was doing. Little did I know that I needed to inject eod due to esters. Being part of this board for 5 plus years I learned a lot from the mods. I don't post often cause I like to research. I see alot of guys posting questions that have been answered over and over again.
RESEARCH is key.
Thats not too bad...Even Sust 500/week is good
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I've been using gear on/off for over 6 years and still do well on low doses. My current cycle is 1 amp organon sust per week and i'm doing good... If you have a good foundation, train hard and smart, eat well and rest, then lower doses are enough. Of course genetics play a huge role in all of this too. But the truth is many guys take mega doses to compensate for the fact that they are LAZY. And believe that anyone who's bigger than them is simply on more gear, because it would "hurt their feelings" if they had to realise that aren't cut out for this game.
PS. I have to admit that if doses like 1 amp or 20 mg of dianabol etc. didn't make me happy i'd use more...
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ive done both high and low doses and have to agree more isnt better...i was on a heavy ass cycle for a long time and the side effects arent worth it.training and nutrition are key..i rather stick with no more than 750mgs of test...right now im taking 600mgs of test and im coming off in september...hopefully this 8 months cycle wont crash on me too hard with an aggressive post cycle...
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ive done both high and low doses and have to agree more isnt better...i was on a heavy ass cycle for a long time and the side effects arent worth it.training and nutrition are key..i rather stick with no more than 750mgs of test...right now im taking 600mgs of test and im coming off in september...hopefully this 8 months cycle wont crash on me too hard with an aggressive post cycle...
What do you have planned for PCT?
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Well as you know i have been on hcg thoughout this whole cycle...im planning on taking 1,000 ius for 5 days after a week and a half after my last shot..that will be followed with 4 weeks of clomid at 50mgs per day and 20mgs of nolvadex per day...i might throw in one tab of letro per week if needed...was thinkin of using a heavier dose of clomid but have never needed to go above 50mgs
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Well as you know i have been on hcg thoughout this whole cycle...im planning on taking 1,000 ius for 5 days after a week and a half after my last shot..that will be followed with 4 weeks of clomid at 50mgs per day and 20mgs of nolvadex per day...i might throw in one tab of letro per week if needed...was thinkin of using a heavier dose of clomid but have never needed to go above 50mgs
Just bump your last two HCG shots to 1500iu, still stopping HCG 4 days prior to PCT. No need to run 1000iu for 5 days at end. IMO there is no need to run both clomid and nolva, if you still choose to do that drop the clomid down to 25mg as this is an effective dose. I have the studies that show this and have run it @ 25mg myself. Letro may kill your estrogen to much, and this could possibly cause estrogen rebound, aromasin would be the better choice for PCT.
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right now im using only 1g of test alone. is it enough for mass gains?
Of course.. crazy gains.
Blast the test at 1g until you've made good progress (you should make HUGE gains at 1g).. then bump it down to say 300mg,, don't get greedy. Stay at 300mg for a while, be patient (this would be the time to toss in an anabolic).. run that until you're actually gaining again at the lower dose - then blast 1g again.
The trick is to run the low dose long enough, until you're gaining again (it will happen).. at which point you slam 1g and make the next leap in size.
Steady, consistent gains.
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I get real Schering for just a little over a buck an amp.
Oh really?? :P
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4th, if i stop my last shot of test enanthate when should i take my last two shots of hcg? A week and a half after? Should i take those two shots on monday and thurday like i been doing this whole time?
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4th, if i stop my last shot of test enanthate when should i take my last two shots of hcg? A week and a half after? Should i take those two shots on monday and thurday like i been doing this whole time?
Just continue on your normal HCG schedule w/ last two shots being 1500iu each. Just make sure to stop HCG 4 days prior to PCT.
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Ok thanks bro ill give it a try and keep you updated
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Just bump your last two HCG shots to 1500iu, still stopping HCG 4 days prior to PCT. No need to run 1000iu for 5 days at end. IMO there is no need to run both clomid and nolva, if you still choose to do that drop the clomid down to 25mg as this is an effective dose. I have the studies that show this and have run it @ 25mg myself. Letro may kill your estrogen to much, and this could possibly cause estrogen rebound, aromasin would be the better choice for PCT.
I especially agree with that last portion. Estrogen will fluctuate and probably shoot up a little during PCT, but allow it to. Don't try to control your hormones too much, just nudge them in the right direction and blunt them if something veers off course. You can minimize the estrogenic side affects and kill aromatase rather than trying to inhibit estrogen directly. I think that's a much, much better way of doing things.
For myself and good friends, we prefer running aromasin during PCT as well. Like I've always said, PCT is misunderstood. You're trying to aid your body and not fuck it up more with fertility drugs. Let it do what it'd do normally, but make it happen quicker to minimize the loss of gains and to slim down the length of your recovery period. Your body will get to homeostasis whether it takes 8 months or an entire year, so just let it do it's own thing but help it to happen a lot sooner. 8)
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Fuck i really hope it doesnt take 8 months to recover
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Fuck i really hope it doesnt take 8 months to recover
Don't sweat it, man. People often confuse the ability to get a hard dick with "recovery". I mean true homeostasis when I talk about recovery. You'll be fine.
I become melancholical a couple of times during "PCT" and sex has never been a challenge other than some bad anxiety at first. I've cried out of the blue and after it's out of my system I feel really good and normal again. Fuckin' PCT lol
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Well, it's a couple of things really, on sust i feel better and seem to get better results than with the other esters :o. Of course one reason might be the fact the sust i get is hg for sure, but with many other products out there you never know. And yeah i know that sust gets counterfeited a lot too, but at least i have a good connections for it...
PS. The worst test i ever tried was test e from aburaihan...
And this man knows how to knock back some food and drink :) Food = growth. Test is about all i buy also. Currently running aprox 250mg wk of old QV EQ a friend had stashed for ever and gave me and 500mg AP test E seems to working pretty effectivly. more would be a little more fun but will stay leaner, $$s is tight too!!
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Luv do you stay on all year around or do youcome off?
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Luv do you stay on all year around or do youcome off?
me = old, TRT age for sure at 47. So yes i will use like 250mg EW at a min pretty much year round. And when I want to do a cycle I will just up the doasge a bit.
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How is your lipid profile with staying on all year around?
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me = old, TRT age for sure at 47. So yes i will use like 250mg EW at a min pretty much year round. And when I want to do a cycle I will just up the dosage a bit.
Yeah, that's smart, no need to yo-yo and loose all the gains for nothing...
And this man knows how to knock back some food and drink :) Food = growth. Test is about all i buy also. Currently running aprox 250mg wk of old QV EQ a friend had stashed for ever and gave me and 500mg AP test E seems to working pretty effectively. more would be a little more fun but will stay leaner, $$s is tight too!!
HAHAHAHA THANKS MAN.
But I've eased on the drink a lot in the last year, so much that friends think theres something wrong with me...
I have been smoking a lot more herb with a "female friend" and that just adds on the insane appetite even more... :D
PS. I've been thinking about upping the dose just to see how it goes and after awhile going back down to 1 amp ew.
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what is the reason for not taking 500mgs a week? because you had heart palpatations?
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Test is the best for everything.
1g is enough.
Test is cheap and effective, most other drugs are a waste of money and could just be replaced with more test.
8)
Agreed and I will add that 1 gram of real human grade testosterone is more than enough to grow on...more than enough !!
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I grow like a beast off of 600mgs of test...
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what is the reason for not taking 500Mg's a week? because you had heart palpitations?
Yeah those were like "regular heart palpitations x 10 + irregular beats too" so now i decided to start off slow and see how it goes. It's been going great so now I'm upping the dosage to 500 mg, but even with just 250 mg of real sust i make awesome gains so i could just keep this up or add someting else. Highest test dosage I've ever taken was 750 mg that made feel like a beast with mental issues... :)
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I honestly think those palpatations are more due to anxiety and stress...steroids can definitely enhance those feelings as well...i got those this time around and they are finally starting to go away...i think it was a combination of bad underground eq and stress
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I honestly think those palpatations are more due to anxiety and stress...steroids can definitely enhance those feelings as well...i got those this time around and they are finally starting to go away...i think it was a combination of bad underground eq and stress
Yeah, i think your right. Stress is the biggest issue and if your on gear and under a ton of stress they will exacerbate each other... Funny that i never got those while on any other steroid just on test.
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Ive never gotten them on any other steroid except for some shitty equipoise...but it did stay with me long after i stopped the EQ...how long did it take for the irregular heart beat to go away?
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About two weeks after i stopped, they went away. What ever the reason for those "heart feelings" were, i sure as hell don't want to ever get them again and at the time they did scare the shit out of me...
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Ive never gotten them on any other steroid except for some shitty equipoise...but it did stay with me long after i stopped the EQ...how long did it take for the irregular heart beat to go away?
EQ is know for inducing anxiety i.e heart palpitations
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But it continued way after i stopped it wen i was just running test...i think it was bad shit because when i used other brands i didnt hav that problem...shit made me freak out a little bit because they were violent palpatations...went to a cardiologist and did a EKG,ultrasound, and strss test and everything was perfect...i still have them a little bit but it subsided a lot
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EQ is know for inducing anxiety i.e heart palpitations
how long has eq been used by athletes and bbers for?
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I agree with tbombz theory on stacking. I dont think it is needed. Right now I am on test and deca at the same time. I am bloated as fucken hell and am pinnig 5 days a week because my deca is 100mg/ml and I am on 500 with 750mg test as of this week. really think similar results and the same strength gains can be made if I were on a good dosage of testosterone alone.. Or hell even the deca by itself at a good dose.
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Sure tren,eq,masteron make you look amazing(if legit of course)... but is the anxiety, high bp etc etc really worth it?
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High blood pressure and anxiety from masteron? I dont think so
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I meant only for EQ on that one.. possibly tren depending on the person
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Ohh ok gotchaa
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Sure tren,eq,masteron make you look amazing(if legit of course)... but is the anxiety, high bp etc etc really worth it?
FUCK YES..
Well worth the price of admission.
The panic attacks I experienced on Tren were INTENSE, but totally recompled my body..
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Pakishiti Schering should never cost you more than $2.50 an amp. You're paying almost twice as much.
Yeah we're in the states...it's pay heavily for HG or pay for UG BS.
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I agree with tbombz theory on stacking. I dont think it is needed. Right now I am on test and deca at the same time. I am bloated as fucken hell and am pinnig 5 days a week because my deca is 100mg/ml and I am on 500 with 750mg test as of this week. really think similar results and the same strength gains can be made if I were on a good dosage of testosterone alone.. Or hell even the deca by itself at a good dose.
absolutely. steroids arent magic. all of them work just about the same. whether your on 750mg of test, 750mg of deca, 750mg equipoise, or any combination of steroids at an equal doseage, the results will be nearly identical. stacking provides very little benefit, if any at all. tren is always an exception to this rule because it seems to work as good as test if not better but without any estrogen conversion so iit is always a good idea to incorporate, but even with tren the added benefit of stacking is really small and an equal amount of test would provide similar benefits. test only cycle is fucking great.