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Was thinking about this in response to the Koran burning story. There have been several situations that have caused some Muslims to commit acts of violence, threaten acts of violence, and/or caused some people to change their actions out of fear of violence. What I can recall includes:
- Making derogatory cartoons of Mohammad.
- Writing any kind of book critical of Islam or Mohammad.
- An "offensive" South Park (?) episode.
- Something posted on facebook.
- Burning Korans by a church that consists of about 50 members.
Anything else?
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-They don't get a good nights sleep
-They didn't get what they wanted for breakfast
-The gap in David Letterman's teeth
-Any episode of Gene Simmons family Jewels
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Was thinking about this in response to the Koran burning story. There have been several situations that have caused some Muslims to commit acts of violence, threaten acts of violence, and/or caused some people to change their actions out of fear of violence. What I can recall includes:
- Making derogatory cartoons of Mohammad.
- Writing any kind of book critical of Islam or Mohammad.
- An "offensive" South Park (?) episode.
- Something posted on facebook.
- Burning Korans by a church that consists of about 50 members.
Anything else?
anything they think/imagine is an insult to their religion
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anything they think/imagine is an insult to their religion
Exactly. RADICALS will find any reason to commit an act of violence.
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Exactly. RADICALS will find any reason to commit an act of violence.
Yes because it was only the radicals that went ape shit over salam rushdie's book, or the cartoon of muhammed ::)
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Yes because it was only the radicals that went ape shit over salam rushdie's book, or the cartoon of muhammed ::)
Were talking about acts of violence. Does someone yelling on the street count as acts of violence?
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Were talking about acts of violence. Does someone yelling on the street count as acts of violence?
What are you talking about, the fuckers went crazy rioting, burning shit to the ground, a little more than yelling on a street corner. And as far as Rushdie, he has had a fatwa for his death since the book was published, not by some imam, but by governments of Muslim nations
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If they burnt shit to the ground and want to see the guy dead that would make them radicals. There are 1.5 billion Muslims, you're saying they all have or will commit acts of violence? Geeze, the suggestion that its all or nothing when it comes to how Muslims react to a situation or that goverments speak for everyone is ridiculous and you know that.
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-Any episode of Gene Simmons family Jewels
seeing how Gene is Israeli, that's a given before the show even starts.
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If they burnt shit to the ground and want to see the guy dead that would make them radicals. There are 1.5 billion Muslims, you're saying they all have or will commit acts of violence? Geeze, the suggestion that its all or nothing when it comes to how Muslims react to a situation or that goverments speak for everyone is ridiculous and you know that.
You come up with this same bullshit argument every time about the precise number of radicals. Even at a conservative estimate of 8 % or so, thats still 80 million radicals. 80 million. Is that a small number of people to you?
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You come up with this same bullshit argument every time about the precise number of radicals. Even at a conservative estimate of 8 % or so, thats still 80 million radicals. 80 million. Is that a small number of people to you?
Not for me. I have 80 million facebook friends.
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You come up with this same bullshit argument every time about the precise number of radicals. Even at a conservative estimate of 8 % or so, thats still 80 million radicals. 80 million. Is that a small number of people to you?
YES!!Compared to the one conservative that committed violence,McVeigh,80 million is a small number.
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YES!!Compared to the one conservative that committed violence,McVeigh,80 million is a small number.
80 million radicals.... 200 attacks last month... almost all on their soil.
At least the vast vast majority of them do nothing more than sit home and scream about it... and when the .0001% of them do act up, its on their own, in their country.
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240 is right. Radicalized individuals killing innocent people in other countries, destablizing the reigon and all the while trying to secure Nuclear weapons through their own means ( Iran) or by using Nuclear weapons that are already there for the taking (Pakistan) is no concern of ours.
I mean heck, how could we have prevented 911? Bannned boxcutters on airplanes? I mean lets be serious here.
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80 million radicals.... 200 attacks last month... almost all on their soil.
At least the vast vast majority of them do nothing more than sit home and scream about it... and when the .0001% of them do act up, its on their own, in their country.
And ZERO sattacks by any right winger EVER inspired by Beck and Rush and yet you sit home and scream about violence from the right over your computer.
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And ZERO sattacks by any right winger EVER inspired by Beck and Rush and yet you sit home and scream about violence from the right over your computer.
hey, my point is that other domestic issues matter FAR more than a few nutbags overseas screaming about this or that.
lock down our borders, shoot intruders on sight. Let ISR nuke Iran. Let anyone build what they want where they want, burn what they want - but the minute they break the law, you ship em to gitmo. prob solved.
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hey, my point is that other domestic issues matter FAR more than a few nutbags overseas screaming about this or that.
lock down our borders, shoot intruders on sight. Let ISR nuke Iran. Let anyone build what they want where they want, burn what they want - but the minute they break the law, you ship em to gitmo. prob solved.
Your point is correct.I dont worry a dam bit about Muslims.They are dirty ,smelly,backward ass people who live in squallar for the most part.
However,the left is MORE concerned with tea party people and Rush and Beck then Mulims when there is ZERO violence ever coming from them.I dont worry about muslims,but they are certainly a bigger concern then some fool marching at a tea party rally,but you and goof balls like Olbermann would have us believe the real threat is coming for them and Muslims are interested only in peace.
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And ZERO sattacks by any right winger EVER inspired by Beck and Rush and yet you sit home and scream about violence from the right over your computer.
high-profile conservative blogger Erick Erickson contemplated the beating of politicians: "At what point do [people] get off the couch, march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?"
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high-profile conservative blogger Erick Erickson contemplated the beating of politicians: "At what point do [people] get off the couch, march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?"
Did he do it?Muslims actually are bombing shit and killing people.
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Hundreds of angry Afghans burned an American flag and chanted "Death to the Christians"
"If Quran is burned it would be beginning of destruction of America," read one English-language banner held up by the protesters, who chanted "Down with America!"
Quran burning plan stirs outrage in Muslim world
By AMIR SHAH
Associated Press
KABUL, Afghanistan — Hundreds of angry Afghans burned an American flag and chanted "Death to the Christians" on Thursday to protest plans by a small American church to torch copies of the Muslim holy book on the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
Local officials in Mahmud Raqi, the capital of the Kapisa province some 100 kilometers (60 miles) northeast of Kabul, estimated that up to 4,000 people took part in the protest. But NATO spokesman James Judge said the protest numbered between 500 to 700 people.
"The Afghan national police prevented the protest from overwhelming an Afghan military outpost," and dispersed the demonstration, he told The Associated Press.
Judge added that the Quran burning is "precisely the kind of activity the Taliban uses to fuel their propaganda efforts to reduce support" for coalition forces.
Abdul Hadi Rostaqi, a cleric council in Afghanistan's largely peaceful Balkh province, also said Thursday that, if the burning goes ahead, "a big protest will be held" in the provincial capital Mazar-i-Sharif next Monday. Protesters would hurl stones at NATO-led troops stationed in the city — one of the country's main centers of the Islamic teaching.
Religious and political leaders across the Muslim world, as well as several U.S. officials, have asked the church to call off the plan, warning it would lead to violence against Americans. The Rev. Terry Jones, of the Dove Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, has vowed to go ahead with the bonfire on Saturday, even though he has been denied the required permit.
About 200 people marched and burned a U.S. flag in the central Pakistani city of Multan.
"If Quran is burned it would be beginning of destruction of America," read one English-language banner held up by the protesters, who chanted "Down with America!"
Iran's Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki also warned of repercussions, saying the burning would "face reactions by the world's Muslims as well as followers of other religions," according to the official IRNA news agency.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton has denounced the planned burning and Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, has said it could lead to attacks on international troops.
There are also fears of a backlash against Christians in predominantly Muslim countries. Canon Andrew White, the chaplain of an Anglican church in Baghdad, said the Iraqi military had warned him that his church had been threatened.
Security was beefed up around the Church of Virgin Mary in central Baghdad on Thursday, with military vehicles blocking the entrance to the church and more soldiers were deployed to guard it.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/102534784.html
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You come up with this same bullshit argument every time about the precise number of radicals. Even at a conservative estimate of 8 % or so, thats still 80 million radicals. 80 million. Is that a small number of people to you?
Source? I would like to read more up on this.
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There are numerous places where this has been cited as fact. Unintentionally, the leftist braindeads at Gallup proudly reached the conclusion in 2007 that radical Islamists only compose 7% of all Muslims. This was used as a pro Muslim propaganda tool for a bit. See, we have nothing to worry about! Unfortunately, they never bothered to calculate how many people are equal to 7% of 1 billion+.
Since then Pew has conducted surveys and so have a few other places. I'm not going to dig it up for you though. Most recently, Charles Krauthammers editorial on August 28th (which was reprinted in the Daily News and is on my blog) cited the 8% or 80 billion number.
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There are numerous places where this has been cited as fact. Unintentionally, the leftist braindeads at Gallup proudly reached the conclusion in 2007 that radical Islamists only compose 7% of all Muslims. This was used as a pro Muslim propaganda tool for a bit. See, we have nothing to worry about! Unfortunately, they never bothered to calculate how many people are equal to 7% of 1 billion+.
Since then Pew has conducted surveys and so have a few other places. I'm not going to dig it up for you though. Most recently, Charles Krauthammers editorial on August 28th (which was reprinted in the Daily News and is on my blog) cited the 8% or 80 billion number.
Thanks. I will look it up when I have some more time.
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One thing you forgot to mention as to why Muslims commit acts of violence - ninja attacks.
They hate that shit.
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Hey, did you guys notice none of the Muslim posters have been around?
Or is it just me?
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TOLERANCE! ::)
Bonfire of one man's vanity
Pastor abandons Koran-burning stunt, but too late to stop worldwide fury - and bloodshed
By Stephen Foley and David Usborne
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The fundamentalist pastor who promised to mark the anniversary of the September 11 attacks by burning hundreds of copies of the Koran pulled the plug on his stunt last night, in the face of blanket condemnation from world leaders and a warning from Interpol that Christians around the world were at risk of violent revenge attacks.
As anger mounted against the obscure Florida church, called the Dove World Outreach Centre, Pastor Terry Jones said he was changing his plan, following a meeting with local Muslim leaders.
Earlier, Barack Obama and the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, had led a chorus of condemnation at the proposed book-burning which only intensified through the day, amid claims that it had already prompted killings in Iraq.
Mr Obama called the stunt "a recruitment bonanza for al-Qa'ida" in a television interview, and the White House made clear that the President was considering a personal call to the renegade preacher to urge him to cancel the event, an appeal that Mr Jones had earlier said he might accept. In the hours before Pastor Jones' statement, though, he had kept the world guessing over whether he would relent.
In the news conference announcing his decision, the pastor claimed that he decided to cancel his protest in exchange for a deal to move a planned Islamic centre and mosque away from New York's Ground Zero. The imam planning the centre, however, quickly denied any such deal.
Mr Jones made his announcement outside his church alongside Imam Muhammad Musri, the president of the Islamic Society of Central Florida. Mr Musri later said there was only an agreement for him and the pastor to travel to New York and meet the imam overseeing plans to build a mosque near Ground Zero. "I told the pastor that I personally believe the mosque should not be there, and I will do everything in my power to make sure it is moved," he said. "But there is not any offer from there that it will be moved. All we have agreed to is a meeting, and I think we would all like to see a peaceful resolution."
But then Mr Jones appeared before reporters again, adamant that he was promised the Islamic centre would be moved, and said he would be, "very, very disappointed" if it were not.
He had been under intense pressure to back off, including a personal call from US Defence Secretary Robert Gates, a visit from the FBI and condemnation from the around the world. The Foreign Secretary, William Hague, said burning the Koran was offensive to those who respect religious freedom. The governments of Indonesia, India and Pakistan, the likes of Hillary Clinton, Tony Blair, and Egyptian President, Hosni Mubarak, also all criticised the plan.
Their calls for the event to be cancelled came as reports emerged from Baghdad of an apparent revenge attack on Iraq's only operating Anglican church, St George's. According to two eyewitnesses, up to four people were killed after gunmen opened fire on guards outside the church, which lies in a compound just outside the comparative safety of the Green Zone.
It has been targeted by extremists before but Canon Andrew White, the British-born vicar of St George's, said he believed that yesterday's attack was directly related to events in Florida. Iraqi authorities had warned of the prospect of such an incident.
"Without a doubt it is linked to Florida," he said by telephone from Baghdad. "The book-burning is huge news in Iraq at the moment. Every newspaper, every television station and radio, they've all been covering it."
Told of the shootings in Baghdad, Mr Jones, the leader of the Florida church, said he was "devastated", but did not acknowledge any responsibility for the shootings.
"This is a terrible act of terrorism," he said. "This should not be justified or tolerated by the world community. It is time for us to join together in the western world, in the Muslim and Christian world, and condemn such acts. We must no longer tolerate or close our eyes to such atrocities."
One Iraqi church member said that he had seen at least two guards killed, although Father White said he had been told that four were dead. Eyewitnesses said that gunmen approached the complex in the late morning and opened fire on a group of guards with automatic rifles.
The attack came as protests around the world began to mount at the planned stunt. As hundreds marched in Pakistan and Afghanistan even before the burning, Interpol issued a global alert warning of the "strong likelihood" of retribution. The US State Department warned its citizens overseas that "the potential for further protests and demonstrations, some of which may turn violent, remains high".
Mr Maliki met US officials and called on President Obama to halt the book-burning. "This ghastly action doesn't fall within free expression and there must be an intervention to stop it," he said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bonfire-of-one-mans-vanity-2075472.html
Fucking animals. Some opportunist burns some books, and they kill a bunch of people who have fuck-all to do with it. What a tolerant and accepting religion. ::)
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I found the gallop poll numbers and the inforamtion that came with it. I think if you read the whole thing , the defintion of "radical" doesnt neccessarly denote a group that will perform acts of violence and those are the numbers I am interested in. There were some other points of interest that I posted here.
Classified as political radicals were those who met the following criteria: 1) they felt the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were
“completely justified”, and 2) they indicate that they have an “unfavorable” or“very unfavorable” opinion of the United States
political radicals were, on average ,slightly more educated and more affluent than the moderates,
The radicals were more likely to feel that the U.S. invasion of Iraq did more harm than good, less likely to agree that the United States was
serious about supporting democracy in the region, and less likely to trust that the United States will allow people in the region to fashion their own political futures.
Perhaps most telling is the fact that, in response to the open-ended question, “What is your greatest fear?”, the most frequent response among political radicals was “occupation/U.S. domination,”
This sense of Western encroachment seemed to extend beyond political domination to religious and cultural identity. While moderates and radicals both feel that Islam is disrespected by the West (only 16% of moderates, and 12% of political radicals associated “respecting Islamic values” with Western nations), political radicals appear more likely to feel that Islam is not only degraded, but
threatened. Among the radical group, the idea that Western nations should “refrain from interfering or imposing its beliefs and policies” was a common response to the openended question about improving relations with the West, second only to the need for Westerners to “respect Islam.”
Feeling politically and culturally at risk, political radicals are more likely to push for cultural preservation, and to adhere to the idea that “attachment to spiritual and moral values is critical to Arab/Muslim progress” (65% of political radicals with this statement vs. 44% among moderates).
However, it’s important to note that political radicals were also more likely than moderates to say “moving toward greater democracy will help Arab/Muslim societies’ progress.” This sentiment may again confirm their heightened desire for political self-determination. At the
least it indicates that radicals are not predisposed to feel democratic principles contradict Islamic values.
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Wtf was the point of posting that? You provided less than nothing to support your point of view.
Is your point that only those willing to kill themselves in the name of Islam are radicals-- and that those who supprort Jihad are moderates?
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Wtf was the point of posting that? You provided less than nothing to support your point of view.
Is your point that only those willing to kill themselves in the name of Islam are radicals-- and that those who supprort Jihad are moderates?
He has no point. He has no clue. He is another moron who regurgitates some stupid talking points without having anything to back them up. Notice that he never actually refutes any of the points anyone makes? He just slings insults like the typical dhimmi.
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Wtf was the point of posting that? You provided less than nothing to support your point of view.
Is your point that only those willing to kill themselves in the name of Islam are radicals-- and that those who supprort Jihad are moderates?
Holy fuck. i totally give up. The ignorance is astounding. This board has gone to the shits.
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Holy fuck. i totally give up. The ignorance is astounding. This board has gone to the shits.
Then fuck off you ignorant retard.
Arguing over percentages is pointless. "Radical" Islam has hijacked the entire religion of Islam. And the "moderates" are either complicit in them doing it or passively supportive of it. Nothing else needs to be said.
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My ignorance is astounding?
You asked for a source that you were too lazy to find yourself.
I provided you with the source and you copied and pasted something that neither refutes the original figure of 7-8% or provides any insight into the discussion whatsoever. In fact, you didn't even write anything next to the copy and paste portion, so nobody has any clue what the hell you're trying to say. Based on the one sentence you didn't copy and paste, your only intrested in people who would kill others in the name of Islam. I responded by questioning you as to whether supporting violence makes you a radical, or only killing does. A few days ago when you made the feeble attempt to bait me into calling for an Islamic genocide you purposely mischaracterized one of my prior postings and then posed a completely off the wall question to twist my point of view. That failed miserably. Here, I am not twisting anything you said-- I am asking a simple question and you are running away like a pussy.
I'm sure that having no clue what you're talking about makes you think that everyone else is ignorant. Perhaps we could discuss something that you have some knowledge or understanding of and that the rest of us are clueless about. Maybe the board would be less ignorant and easier for you to understand. ::)
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Did someone hijack Bindare_Dundat's account? As I really don't remember him being this ignorant.
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Holy fuck. i totally give up. The ignorance is astounding. This board has gone to the shits.
Buuuumppp. I'm trying to follow what your saying, but not having much luck. Please, elaborate.
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US troops may face administrative punishment for Koran burnings at US base in Afghanistan
WASHINGTON – A U.S. military investigation is recommending that as many as seven U.S. troops face administrative punishments, but not criminal charges, in the burning of Korans at a U.S. base in Afghanistan in February, The Associated Press has learned.
U.S. military officials said the classified report and recommendations for disciplinary action against the service members involved were delivered to the Pentagon more than a week ago. They have been turned over to the Army and Navy secretaries. No final decisions have been made.
According to the officials, one Navy service member and as many as six Army soldiers could face nonjudicial disciplinary actions, which can range from a letter in their file to docking their pay or assigning them additional duties.
The lack of any criminal charges is in line with early assertions from military officials that the incident, while regrettable, was a mistake. But it is likely to anger Afghans who were enraged by the burning.
Thousands took to the streets across the country in deadly riots after it happened. More than 30 people were killed in the clashes, including two U.S. troops who were shot by an Afghan soldier and two U.S. military advisers who were gunned down at their desks at the Interior Ministry.
The Korans and other Islamic books were taken from the Parwan Detention Facility, and officials believed that extremists being detained there were using the texts to exchange messages. The religious books and other materials were put in burn bags and then later thrown into a fire pit used to burn garbage at Bagram Air Field, a major U.S. base north of Kabul.
Military officials said the investigating officer in Afghanistan completed the report and recommended the disciplinary actions. The report was approved by Marine Gen. John Allen, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, and forwarded to Pentagon.
U.S. military officials spoke about the report on condition of anonymity because the matter is classified and still under review.
Altogether, two Navy and nine Army service members in Afghanistan were sent back to the United States in conjunction with the Koran burning shortly after it happened. But, based on the investigating officer's report, several would not face any punishments.
U.S. officials have said that the service members did not know what they were throwing into the burn pit and that the books were pulled out by Afghan workers before they were destroyed. President Barack Obama apologized to Afghan President Hamid Karzai for the incident.
Afghan officials, however, have claimed the burning was intentional, and it reinforced perceptions in the country that Americans are insensitive to the Afghans' religion and culture.
A preliminary joint investigation into the matter - done by senior U.S. and Afghan military officials - concluded in early March that while mistakes were made in the burnings, there was no intent to desecrate the Korans or other religious materials.
But it has taken until now for the military to deliver the report and recommended punishments to senior Pentagon leaders for final action.
Typically, the service secretaries review the recommendations, then designate a military commander to take the appropriate action. It could take weeks for the process to unfold and for any final decisions to be made. The military usually does not publicly disclose details of administrative punishments.
Military officials said the Army soldiers are now at Fort Benning, Ga.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/20/us-troops-may-face-administrative-punishment-in-koran-burnings-at-us-base-in/?test=latestnews
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It isn't just all about high profile acts of violence.....it is the violence and ignorance perpetuated daily wherever there is a Muslim majority. Look at today's armed conflicts and you see a pattern (Iraq, Afghanistan, the splitting of Sudan, the Abu Sayef in the Philippines, Nigeria, Syria, Egypt, Iran, etc......). Where there is a Muslim majority, ignorance, intolerance and violence follow in its wake. Beatings, tossing acid in women's faces, roving "religious" police, stonings, and whippings are just occurrences in everyday society.
Only when Islam is wiped out or repressed into a small minority, can those nations who are considered to be Islamic be able to progress in the form of democracy, science, and education.
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Then fuck off you ignorant retard.
Arguing over percentages is pointless. "Radical" Islam has hijacked the entire religion of Islam. And the "moderates" are either complicit in them doing it or passively supportive of it. Nothing else needs to be said.
Got to agree with this
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It isn't just all about high profile acts of violence.....it is the violence and ignorance perpetuated daily wherever there is a Muslim majority. Look at today's armed conflicts and you see a pattern (Iraq, Afghanistan, the splitting of Sudan, the Abu Sayef in the Philippines, Nigeria, Syria, Egypt, Iran, etc......). Where there is a Muslim majority, ignorance, intolerance and violence follow in its wake. Beatings, tossing acid in women's faces, roving "religious" police, stonings, and whippings are just occurrences in everyday society.
Only when Islam is wiped out or repressed into a small minority, can those nations who are considered to be Islamic be able to progress in the form of democracy, science, and education.
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