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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: tallgerman on October 01, 2010, 03:34:26 PM
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starting to feel little harder
glad to give cardio a kiss goodbye
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starting to feel little harder
glad to give cardio a kiss goodbye
Cardio is still good for your most important muscle, your heart!
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i never get full up, always hungry
it has its ups and downs it seems
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i never get full up, always hungry
it has its ups and downs it seems
Translation?
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lift for muscle
eat less for cuts
repeat
thats the math and rest is SHIT
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You should discuss this with our resident nutrition and fat loss expert Fat Panda.
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You should discuss this with our resident nutrition and fat loss expert Fat Panda.
You forgot Steroids, cause he seems to be an expert on this as well.
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talking about wavelength
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I did see something about wavelength takign 90min during his weight wrokouts though 3x a week..
That is not really hit.....
mentzer says 30min 3xa week and even that must later be reduced when get very strong.
I am amazed more people don't try this stuff as it seems economical time wise.
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Bro there is a board for your threads . its called the Z board go post your mindless shit down there.
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Bro there is a board for your threads . its called the Z board go post your mindless shit down there.
fuck you :)
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fuck you :)
no fuck you ackmad ;)
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tallgerman is not the tall iranian
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tallgerman is not the tall iranian
so there two tall idiots posting here then ?
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so there two tall idiots posting here then ?
tallgerman did not exactly invented the theory of relativity
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tallgerman did not exactly invented the theory of relativity
yes we know about ackmads sister , its normal in his culture :-\ ;D
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I did see something about wavelength takign 90min during his weight wrokouts though 3x a week..
That is not really hit.....
mentzer says 30min 3xa week and even that must later be reduced when get very strong.
I am amazed more people don't try this stuff as it seems economical time wise.
People try it, realise it doesn;t work, then stop.
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People try it, realise it doesn;t work, then stop.
I have to say if you're natural training hard for more than 90 min is non sense
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starting to feel little harder
glad to give cardio a kiss goodbye
My point is this: only do cardio if it makes the diet more convenient. If it doesn't, ditch it.
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These posts come up at least once a week on the training board.
The only things cool about Mentzer were his size, and some of his stolen theories. He was basically a parrot for Ayn Rand (objectivism) and Arthur Jones.
Now the Parrot of Mentzer is basically John Little, but at least John doesn't smoke meth... (at least not to my knowledge)
You can try every training system in the world. They are all basically better than NOTHING at all....
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A bit of cardio never hurt anyone...
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Very true except that you need a certain amount of protein. For optimal health resp. survival, you also need to get essential nutrition of course.
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A bit of cardio never hurt anyone...
True as long as you can stick to it. The problem is this: people think it is essential and if they absolutely hate it, think they fail because they can't do it.
It is not essential for fat loss, that's the point.
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wave sharing his knowledge and wisdom here.
although he should have said : cardio is irrelevant for body composition ;D
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wave sharing his knowledge and wisdom here.
although he should have said : cardio is irrelevant for body composition ;D
Yes, that's what I meant. :)
Cardio has many benefits, improved body composition just isn't one of them.
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I've never done HIT, so I can't comment on how well it works. My experience is that if I don't do a body group for more than one week, it gets weaker.
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Yeah but regular training doesn' have to be 90 mins or anything. Plus most regular training involves warm ups then a couple of heavy sets, which is practically the same thing anyway.
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Yeah but regular training doesn' have to be 90 mins or anything. Plus most regular training involves warm ups then a couple of heavy sets, which is practically the same thing anyway.
I agree, my training is just a little longer because I found out that longer rest periods work better for me.
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I've never done HIT, so I can't comment on how well it works. My experience is that if I don't do a body group for more than one week, it gets weaker.
My experience too...but Wavy, wouldn't you say that HST works quite well? There you do multiple parts, multiple times...of course just one exercise per body part but still...
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My experience too...but Wavy, wouldn't you say that HST works quite well? There you do multiple parts, multiple times...of course just one exercise per body part but still...
Yes, but that's kind of the opposite of Mentzer's method, isn't it?
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Yes, but that's kind of the opposite of Mentzer's method, isn't it?
Yeah but I learnt that the hard way; when doing HST, you should really NEVER go to failure; you will burn yourself out. :-\
It's how I had that massive injury.
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No cardio? I can't remember any of the top 30 bodybuilders in the world not doing any cardio? Sounds good, but come on...
Depends on your age.
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No cardio? I can't remember any of the top 30 bodybuilders in the world not doing any cardio? Sounds good, but come on...
Depends on your age.
No it doesn't.
And AFAIK, Dexter claims he doesn't do any (or hardly any) cardio. Not that is matters of course. Other, much more important factors come into play when it comes to pro bodybuilding.
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No it doesn't.
And AFAIK, Dexter claims he doesn't do any (or hardly any) cardio. Not that is matters of course. Other, much more important factors come into play when it comes to pro bodybuilding.
Muhahahahahha...orange juice, pineapple juice, apple juice, etc...
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i never get full up, always hungry
it has its ups and downs it seems
WTF?
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My experience too...but Wavy, wouldn't you say that HST works quite well? There you do multiple parts, multiple times...of course just one exercise per body part but still...
hst is very very good.
it is also very very similar to hit.
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I did see something about wavelength takign 90min during his weight wrokouts though 3x a week..seems economical time wise.
Would you call it "efficient"?
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No it doesn't.
And AFAIK, Dexter claims he doesn't do any (or hardly any) cardio. Not that is matters of course. Other, much more important factors come into play when it comes to pro bodybuilding.
Dexter def did cardio.
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People try it, realise it doesn;t work, then stop.
But mentzer got 300 perfect mr universe win using it.
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Would you call it "efficient"?
Compared to 3 hour a day weider splits....
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No cardio? I can't remember any of the top 30 bodybuilders in the world not doing any cardio? Sounds good, but come on...
Depends on your age.
Forget it, you cannot argue with them.
WL is 150 lbs and FP is 250, here you go with "no cardio".
Idiots.
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Forget it, you cannot argue with them.
WL is 150 lbs and FP is 250, here you go with "no cardio".
Idiots.
Wavelength looks cut, I don't think fatpanda is....
So I will try wavelengths method.
Also I don't see fatpanda's outlining his method or showing his results....
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I have to say if you're natural training hard for more than 90 min is non sense
It's not, although your saying it is IS nonsense.
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Fat Panda needs a spotter to help him count calories.
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Fat Panda needs a spotter to help him count calories.
What he needs is someone to chain him to a chair for 3 months.
What idiot is dieting on Kitkats and instant food and wonders how he actually GAINS weight instead of losing?
Not to mention the shitty "training" program that my grandma could absolve. (Well, my grandma is in better shape than FP, so that's a BS argument).
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What he needs is someone to chain him to a chair for 3 months.
What idiot is dieting on Kitkats and instant food and wonders how he actually GAINS weight instead of losing?
Not to mention the shitty "training" program that my grandma could absolve. (Well, my grandma is in better shape than FP, so that's a BS argument).
Maybe he got bit by a spider?
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I will say that the link to the ultra marathoner guy does say something about volume.
holy shit
http://www.examiner.com/endurance-sports-in-salt-lake-city/ultra-marathons-eating-junk-food-is-absolutely-necessary-if-you-re-dean-karnazes (http://www.examiner.com/endurance-sports-in-salt-lake-city/ultra-marathons-eating-junk-food-is-absolutely-necessary-if-you-re-dean-karnazes)
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Maybe he got bit by a spider?
No, but i bet he has masturbated furiously more than one time to Spider-Man.
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Forget it, you cannot argue with them.
WL is 150 lbs and FP is 250, here you go with "no cardio".
Idiots.
LOL, great argument. :D
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No, but i bet he has masturbated furiously more than one time to Spider-Man. The Hulk
;D
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Dexter def did cardio.
Then he's a liar. In any case, doesn't matter. Most pro BBs have no clue about nutrition or training. They have great genetics and enough drugs in their system.
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Then he's a liar. In any case, doesn't matter. Most pro BBs have no clue about nutrition or training. They have great genetics and enough drugs in their system.
::) ::)
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If you know one thing about bodybuilding, you know I'm right.
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Then he's a liar. In any case, doesn't matter. Most pro BBs have no clue about nutrition or training. They have great genetics and enough drugs in their system.
A guy who weighs 60 kg on 5'10 after 12 years of "boybuilding" has the balls to give pros advice on nutrition and training. Your combination of being delusional and bold at the same time is unique.
But keep going, the entertainment factor is still there. ;D
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A guy who weighs 60 kg on 5'10 after 12 years of "boybuilding" has the balls to give pros advice on nutrition and training. Your combination of being delusional and bold at the same time is unique.
But keep going, the entertainment factor is still there. ;D
That's what GB is about, entertainment!
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A guy who weighs 60 kg on 5'10 after 12 years of "boybuilding" has the balls to give pros advice on nutrition and training. Your combination of being delusional and bold at the same time is unique.
But keep going, the entertainment factor is still there. ;D
Alles, was Wellenlaenge jemals gesagt hat, ist, dass die Energiebilanz letzten Endes das Allerwichtigste bei einer Diaet ist; das ist wissenschaftlich unbestreitbar.
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A guy who weighs 60 kg on 5'10 after 12 years of "boybuilding" has the balls to give pros advice on nutrition and training. Your combination of being delusional and bold at the same time is unique.
But keep going, the entertainment factor is still there. ;D
How long have you been training and what are your stats?
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How long have you been training and what are your stats?
Du wiegst mehr als 60kg. Der Affemann verhaelt sich momentan etwas affig....
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How long have you been training and what are your stats?
I could claim anything now, so what's the point. But when I started out I had around the same stats you have now. ;D
Most people start lifting to not longer look like an Auschwitz prisoner, you lift to look like an Auschwitz prisoner. ;D
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I could claim anything now, so what's the point. But when I started out I had around the same stats you have now. ;D
No you didn't.
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A guy who weighs 60 kg on 5'10 after 12 years of "boybuilding" has the balls to give pros advice on nutrition and training. Your combination of being delusional and bold at the same time is unique.
But keep going, the entertainment factor is still there. ;D
This.
How long have you been training and what are your stats?
Totally irrelevant, as you love to say, because YOU are the tiny tit and he never made any claims.
It's seriously ridiculous that you weigh something around 60kg and come about like you're the professor of bodybuilding and all pros since the 40s are idiots that done everything wrong.
Yet, if you ever had the guts to step on a stage, the lights would shine through you.
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Totally irrelevant, as you love to say, because YOU are the tiny tit and he never made any claims.
Yes he made the claim that what I say is bullshit.
It's seriously ridiculous that you weigh something around 60kg and come about like you're the professor of bodybuilding and all pros since the 40s are idiots that done everything wrong.
Yet, if you ever had the guts to step on a stage, the lights would shine through you.
Neither have you, it's irrelevant for the truth.
As you said yourself.
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Yes he made the claim that what I say is bullshit.
Neither have you, it's irrelevant for the truth.
As you said yourself.
Like i said, you know shit.
About me, and about nutrition. :-* :-*
And that's the truth.
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Like i said, you know shit.
About me, and about nutrition. :-* :-*
And that's the truth.
OK, so what's your expertise about nutrition exactly? How do you know anymore than me or FP?
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OK, so what's your expertise about nutrition exactly? How do you know anymore than me or FP?
ahaah, are you telling me now that you are the top notch in nutrition and diet and it's impossible to know more than you??
I'm in this for more than ten years, i'm reading up and down everything i can get my hands on.
I don't have to prove anything to you, the fact that i'm not a sheet of paper like you or a fucking bigmac like FP says enough about the level of my knowledge.
I know i'm pissing you off, but i can't change the facts. I have seen pics of both of you and read what you wrote, and i say it again, you both don't look anywhere near a bodybuilder, and what you write is utter bullshit.
Oh and feel free to check anytime you like in Tokyo.
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No you didn't.
I did. I was an enthusiastic climber and snowboarder back in the days. I had a shredded 63 kg at about your height. I looked basically the same as you do now, without having touched one dumbbell in my life or put one thought into nutrition (I didn't even know what fats, carbs and proteins were back then) and binge drinking 2-3 times a week.
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ahaah, are you telling me now that you are the top notch in nutrition and diet and it's impossible to know more than you??
I'm in this for more than ten years, i'm reading up and down everything i can get my hands on.
I don't have to prove anything to you, the fact that i'm not a sheet of paper like you or a fucking bigmac like FP says enough about the level of my knowledge.
I know i'm pissing you off, but i can't change the facts. I have seen pics of both of you and read what you wrote, and i say it again, you both don't look anywhere near a bodybuilder, and what you write is utter bullshit.
Oh and feel free to check anytime you like in Tokyo.
It's not impossible to know more than me of course. I'm also in this for more than 10 years and I've also read a lot on the subject. And I've said time and time again, arguments ad hominem are irrelevant. If you think what I write is utter bullshit, just prove me wrong.
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I did. I was an enthusiastic climber and snowboarder back in the days. I had a shredded 63 kg at about your height. I looked basically the same as you do now, without having touched one dumbbell in my life or put one thought into nutrition (I didn't even know what fats, carbs and proteins were back then) and binge drinking 2-3 times a week.
Maybe you have good genetics.
The point everyone is missing is that Wavelength only claimed one thing; that the energy balance is the most important thing. That is his primary claim. I think that is indisputable. What are you going to claim in opposition to the fact that the energy/caloric balance is the most important thing?
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I did. I was an enthusiastic climber and snowboarder back in the days. I had a shredded 63 kg at about your height. I looked basically the same as you do now, without having touched one dumbbell in my life or put one thought into nutrition (I didn't even know what fats, carbs and proteins were back then) and binge drinking 2-3 times a week.
Possible of course, just messing around.
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It's not impossible to know more than me of course. I'm also in this for more than 10 years and I've also read a lot on the subject. And I've said time and time again, arguments ad hominem are irrelevant. If you think what I write is utter bullshit, just prove me wrong.
If arguments are irrelevant, then how to prove anything?
You started off very funny, but now you're only arrogant and annoying. You went from "Hey guys i found a fun way to diet" to "I know everything, you are all idiots", much like TA.
Problem is, you are your only proof and you show that you are wrong by yourself. You're too small to be considered a Bodybuilder, you can maybe be a fashion model, if you like. :-* :-*
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Maybe you have good genetics.
The point everyone is missing is that Wavelength only claimed one thing; that the energy balance is the most important thing. That is his primary claim. I think that is indisputable. What are you going to claim in opposition to the fact that the energy/caloric balance is the most important thing?
The most important thing for what? Losing weight - yes. Looking like a BB - no.
Follow that approach and see what it does for you. Have you started your cycle meanwhile?
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If arguments are irrelevant, then how to prove anything?
You started off very funny, but now you're only arrogant and annoying. You went from "Hey guys i found a fun way to diet" to "I know everything, you are all idiots", much like TA.
Problem is, you are your only proof and you show that you are wrong by yourself. You're too small to be considered a Bodybuilder, you can maybe be a fashion model, if you like. :-* :-*
Very few naturals look like a 'bodybuilder'. Wavelength is lean and athletic and strong. Many people would kill to look like him and he is really nothing like TA.
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The most important thing for what? Losing weight - yes. Looking like a BB - no.
Follow that approach and see what it does for you. Have you started your cycle meanwhile?
To look like a bodybuilder you need tons of steroids and/or great genetics. Look at Mesomorph78; he knows knows jack about nutrition, eats whatever he wants and looks cut and big.
What do you need according to you to look like a 'bodybuilder'?
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If arguments are irrelevant, then how to prove anything?
You started off very funny, but now you're only arrogant and annoying. You went from "Hey guys i found a fun way to diet" to "I know everything, you are all idiots", much like TA.
Problem is, you are your only proof and you show that you are wrong by yourself. You're too small to be considered a Bodybuilder, you can maybe be a fashion model, if you like. :-* :-*
I never called anyone an idiot.
I said arguments ad hominem are irrelevant. One could be the fattest guy around and still know more about nutrition than us. Plus, on the internet anyone can claim anything anyway. Who knows if my pictures are actually me? And who knows whether you tell the truth about your condition or not? So I'm not my only proof, I'm no proof at all. The only "proof" (if we want to call it that) lies in scientific studies.
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To look like a bodybuilder you need tons of steroids and/or great genetics. Look at Mesomorph78; he knows knows jack about nutrition, eats whatever he wants and looks cut and big.
What do you need according to you to look like a 'bodybuilder'?
Hard work and dedication. ;D
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Very few naturals look like a 'bodybuilder'. Wavelength is lean and athletic and strong. Many people would kill to look like him and he is really nothing like TA.
WL is EXACTLY like TA.
To look like a bodybuilder you need tons of steroids and/or great genetics. Look at Mesomorph78; he knows knows jack about nutrition, eats whatever he wants and looks cut and big.
What do you need according to you to look like a 'bodybuilder'?
Come on, stop that "genetics" bullshit again.
You need good genetics if you want to be a top bodybuilder, but to look decent with a good amount of muscle mass at low BF levels you only need hard training, consistency and a good diet consisting of lots of lean protein, veggies, carbs and the right fatty acids.
Any fuck up in the diet will have massive impact on you training results.
If you have ever managed to eat clean for a longer period, you will know what i mean.
I never called anyone an idiot.
I said arguments ad hominem are irrelevant. One could be the fattest guy around and still know more about nutrition than us. Plus, on the internet anyone can claim anything anyway. Who knows if my pictures are actually me? And who knows whether you tell the truth about your condition or not? So I'm not my only proof, I'm no proof at all. The only "proof" (if we want to call it that) lies in scientific studies.
Sure you are calling people idiots all the time, WL, don't play me for dumb. You ridicule everyone who does cardio and doesn't eat junk food.
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Hard work and dedication. ;D
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Spot on. ;D ;D
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Hard work and dedication. ;D
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Hard work and dedication is a given for almost any endeavour. Talent (i.e. genetics) sets people apart. I just see a lot of personal attacks here rather than addressing Wavelength's core argument(s). May I ask what you specifically find incorrect about what he says?
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WL is EXACTLY like TA.
Come on, stop that "genetics" bullshit again.
You need good genetics if you want to be a top bodybuilder, but to look decent with a good amount of muscle mass at low BF levels you only need hard training, consistency and a good diet consisting of lots of lean protein, veggies, carbs and the right fatty acids.
Any fuck up in the diet will have massive impact on you training results.
If you have ever managed to eat clean for a longer period, you will know what i mean.
Sure you are calling people idiots all the time, WL, don't play me for dumb. You ridicule everyone who does cardio and doesn't eat junk food.
Wavelength has never once used the word 'idiot' in all his time here. You are wrong about that. Whether there is something implicated in what he says is a matter of interpretation, not fact.
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Wavelength has never once used the word 'idiot' in all his time here. You are wrong about that. Whether there is something implicated in what he says is a matter of interpretation, not fact.
Don't you play me for dumb as well, you don't need to use the word "idiot" to tell people they are.
This is exactly what he was doing all the time, playing the "I am so smart, you are so dumb" game.
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Don't you play me for dumb as well, you don't need to use the word "idiot" to tell people they are.
This is exactly what he was doing all the time, playing the "I am so smart, you are so dumb" game.
It's certainly possible but that is not the sense I have from him, but who knows. It's still all in the realm of interpretation and not fact.
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Sure you are calling people idiots all the time, WL, don't play me for dumb. You ridicule everyone who does cardio and doesn't eat junk food.
Come on now, I joke around, who doesn't here.
I don't ridicule anyone who does cardio, cardio has many benefits. I just don't think it's essential for optimal body composition. And I don't eat junk food, ever. There is no such thing.
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Come on now, I joke around, who doesn't here.
I don't ridicule anyone who does cardio, cardio has many benefits. I just don't think it's essential for optimal body composition. And I don't eat junk food, ever. There is no such thing.
Just curious though; would you say that there are some foods that are better for digestion, i.e. optimal dump taking?
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Come on now, I joke around, who doesn't here.
I don't ridicule anyone who does cardio, cardio has many benefits. I just don't think it's essential for optimal body composition. And I don't eat junk food, ever. There is no such thing.
If you repeat a "joke" often enough over years, you will surely sound bitter and or arrogant.
It has stopped being funny a long time ago, WL, you can stop now.
Just curious though; would you say that there are some foods that are better for digestion, i.e. optimal dump taking?
anything fibrous. ;)
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If you repeat a "joke" often enough over years, you will surely sound bitter and or arrogant.
It has stopped being funny a long time ago, WL, you can stop now.
anything fibrous. ;)
I disagree. Some fibrous stuff gives you a cleaner exit, whilst others give you a more smeary exit. Personally I am looking for the food that will optimise my dumps, i.e. minimise the time spent on the can.
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I disagree. Some fibrous stuff gives you a cleaner exit, whilst others give you a more smeary exit. Personally I am looking for the food that will optimise my dumps, i.e. minimise the time spent on the can.
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Lecker! :D
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If you repeat a "joke" often enough over years, you will surely sound bitter and or arrogant.
It has stopped being funny a long time ago, WL, you can stop now.
LOL, don't know if you have noticed but everything here is repetition.
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LOL, don't know if you have noticed but everything here is repetition.
Getbig is the home you never move away from, because it always stays the same.
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LOL, don't know if you have noticed but everything here is repetition.
Sure it is, but a change of subject from time to time is not a bad idea.
You're starting to becoming the same annoying broken record like Croatch, TA or alex23.
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Then he's a liar. In any case, doesn't matter. Most pro BBs have no clue about nutrition or training. They have great genetics and enough drugs in their system.
Spoke to his trainer a few times, Dexter did cardio. There may have been times when he didn't but when he came in looking his best Joe had him do cardio. I'm sure Sean can verify this.
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LOL, great argument. :D
;D
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ahaah, are you telling me now that you are the top notch in nutrition and diet and it's impossible to know more than you??
I'm in this for more than ten years, i'm reading up and down everything i can get my hands on.
I don't have to prove anything to you, the fact that i'm not a sheet of paper like you or a fucking bigmac like FP says enough about the level of my knowledge.
I know i'm pissing you off, but i can't change the facts. I have seen pics of both of you and read what you wrote, and i say it again, you both don't look anywhere near a bodybuilder, and what you write is utter bullshit.
Oh and feel free to check anytime you like in Tokyo.
you make a lot of claims yet:
you never discuss nutrition - because you would be owned beyond belief.
you never discuss training - because you would be owned beyond belief.
you only ever posted 1 pic - that of a very fat calf ???
all this yet you claim to look better ::)
sure thing.
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The most important thing for what? Losing weight - yes. Looking like a BB - no.
Follow that approach and see what it does for you. Have you started your cycle meanwhile?
what do you know about being a bodybuilder?
you said you have 16" arms ::)
i have the same size arms and i don't even work my arms directly, and haven't for over 2 years.
you should think more before you type.
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you make a lot of claims yet:
you never discuss nutrition - because you would be owned beyond belief.
you never discuss training - because you would be owned beyond belief.
you only ever posted 1 pic - that of a very fat calf ???
all this yet you claim to look better ::)
sure thing.
I don't need to prove anything to you.
I know way more than you, i am not fat, never have been. But you in your delusional, hurt little brain will never accept this.
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Any onw who does not like Wavelengths methods please post thier alternate method.
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Any onw who does not like Wavelengths methods please post thier alternate method.
A shotgun blast in your mouth will get you ripped in no time, gimmick.
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Come on now, I joke around, who doesn't here.
I don't ridicule anyone who does cardio, cardio has many benefits. I just don't think it's essential for optimal body composition. And I don't eat junk food, ever. There is no such thing.
If I ate x calories of soda and chocolate vs x calories of chicken and rice 2 hours before hard exercising, I could tell you junk food exists
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And I don't eat junk food, ever. There is no such thing.
If you make a nice burger at home, using fresh meat patties and vegetables (tomato, onion etc), it's nutritional value would be far superior to an equivalent burger you eat at McDonalds, where the meat is processed, loaded with preservatives and frozen for God knows how long, not to mention their using commercial grade condiments that won't be of the same quality as you'd use at home.
So if both meat patties were of a size that would give you 30 gm of protein, you won't get that much from the McDonald's burger. Which is why what you eat there is "junk".
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If you make a nice burger at home, using fresh meat patties and vegetables (tomato, onion etc), it's nutritional value would be far superior to an equivalent burger you eat at McDonalds, where the meat is processed, loaded with preservatives and frozen for God knows how long, not to mention their using commercial grade condiments that won't be of the same quality as you'd use at home.
So if both meat patties were of a size that would give you 30 gm of protein, you won't get that much from the McDonald's burger. Which is why what you eat there is "junk".
Next thing WL will come around the corner and tell us the Chinese buffet he goes to to have his only meal of he day isn't "junk food" as well. ::)
By the way, here we have the thread where WL proves he doesn't eat junk food at all, never. ::) ::)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=301609.0
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If you make a nice burger at home, using fresh meat patties and vegetables (tomato, onion etc), it's nutritional value would be far superior to an equivalent burger you eat at McDonalds, where the meat is processed, loaded with preservatives and frozen for God knows how long, not to mention their using commercial grade condiments that won't be of the same quality as you'd use at home.
So if both meat patties were of a size that would give you 30 gm of protein, you won't get that much from the McDonald's burger. Which is why what you eat there is "junk".
That's a question of definition. But since there is no scientific definition of "junk" food which makes any sense, the dicussion about "junk" and "clean" food is moot IMO. Sure there are foods which are better for overall health and some that are not, but even that is up for discussion and it always depends on quantity as well.
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That's a question of definition.
Isn't everything?
My point is that McDonalds and other fast food outlets provide low-quality, but palatable and affordable food that is good to eat occasionally, but is definitely inferior nutritionally.
People use the term "Junk" in the context of nutrition and nothing else - a burger that you eat in McDonalds is just jammed with chemicals, prepared with meat that comes from all parts of the animal and is stored for long periods at times, before being cooked and served at the outlet. It will give you a feeling of satiety, but won't provide you with all the good stuff you get from a home-made burger.
Same goes for their flavouring and condiments, which is why you can never live solely on that stuff in the long-term, unlike how you do with home-made food.
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Isn't everything?
My point is that McDonalds and other fast food outlets provide low-quality, but palatable and affordable food that is good to eat occasionally, but is definitely inferior nutritionally.
People use the term "Junk" in the context of nutrition and nothing else - a burger that you eat in McDonalds is just jammed with chemicals, prepared with meat that comes from all parts of the animal and is stored for long periods at times, before being cooked and served at the outlet. It will give you a feeling of satiety, but won't provide you with anywhere near the goodies you get from a home-made burger.
Same goes for their flavouring and condiments, which is why you can never live solely on that stuff in the long-term, unlike how you do with home-made food.
Are you a fan of Sausage, Kiwiol?
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Are you a fan of Sausage, Kiwiol?
You can say that :-X ;D
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Isn't everything?
My point is that McDonalds and other fast food outlets provide low-quality, but palatable and affordable food that is good to eat occasionally, but is definitely inferior nutritionally.
People use the term "Junk" in the context of nutrition and nothing else - a burger that you eat in McDonalds is just jammed with chemicals, prepared with meat that comes from all parts of the animal and is stored for long periods at times, before being cooked and served at the outlet. It will give you a feeling of satiety, but won't provide you with all the good stuff you get from a home-made burger.
Same goes for their flavouring and condiments, which is why you can never live solely on that stuff in the long-term, unlike how you do with home-made food.
Somehow WL doesn't understand it.
Plus: for example a grilled sausage is filled with preservatives, transfats, glutamate, salt and so on, things you would NEVER want in your diet. The little bit of protein you get from a sausage is better taken from somewhere else.
You only have a limited amount of calories you can eat without getting fat, better make this stuff that your body needs and can use than stuff yourself with transfats, sugar, salt in excess, preservatives and so on.
I can't speak for other people, but i feel MUCH MUCH better on a diet of protein, complex carbs, unsaturated fatty acids (saturated in moderation) and lots of veggies than on a diet of sugar, fat and flavor enhancers.
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Somehow WL doesn't understand it.
Plus: for example a grilled sausage is filled with preservatives, transfats, glutamate, salt and so on, things you would NEVER want in your diet. The little bit of protein you get from a sausage is better taken from somewhere else.
You only have a limited amount of calories you can eat without getting fat, better make this stuff that your body needs and can use than stuff yourself with transfats, sugar, salt in excess, preservatives and so on.
I can't speak for other people, but i feel MUCH MUCH better on a diet of protein, complex carbs, unsaturated fatty acids (saturated in moderation) and lots of veggies than on a diet of sugar, fat and flavor enhancers.
Agree. I love fast food as much as anyone, but wouldn't want to eat it more than twice a week. You do feel the difference if you are used to eating quality, wholesome food that you can make at home.
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Agree. I love fast food as much as anyone, but wouldn't want to eat it more than twice a week. You do feel the difference if you are used to eating quality, wholesome food that you can make at home.
And when you have only 2000 calories for a day on a diet, who the fuck would spend that for a piece of cake or chocolate?
That's ridiculous.
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Agree. I love fast food as much as anyone, but wouldn't want to eat it more than twice a week. You do feel the difference if you are used to eating quality, wholesome food that you can make at home.
If junk food refers to unhealthy food, of course one would try to get as little as possible. The question is always what is unhealthy and in what quantity. So called "healthy" food can also become unhealthy in certain quantities.
Plus "junk" food in the fitness world also often refers to food that has negative impact on body composition. By definition, there is no such food, just combinations of foods in certain quantities which are better or worse for it.
And when you have only 2000 calories for a day on a diet, who the fuck would spend that for a piece of cake or chocolate?
That's ridiculous.
I don't think it's ridiculous to try to include food you love into any kind of diet. And you can easily fit some chocolate or cake into a 2000kcal diet.
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The question is always what is unhealthy and in what quantity. So called "healthy" food can also become unhealthy in certain quantities.
That is just arguing for the sake of it. No one is talking about extremes or unusually high quantities. If we are talking a normal-sized meal for a person, they do get less nutrients and digestive problems (although not always) with fast food than they would if they ate something home-made (or food similar in quality). So for that person, at that meal, they are eating "junk".
If there are 2 burgers, one home made in a BBQ and another bought from McDonalds, the latter is "junk", because you don't get anywhere near the amount of nutrients that you get from the first. Even if the McDs burger does have 70 or 80% of the protein found in the first, it's not going to be as bioavailable, not to mention all the added chemicals it comes with.
There is a reason parents, for example, prefer their kids to eat vegetables and food prepared at home, as opposed to eating in Burger King and McDs all the time, and it's not just because they are stupid or ignorant.
Plus "junk" food in the fitness world also often refers to food that has negative impact on body composition. By definition, there is no such food, just combinations of foods in certain quantities which are better or worse for it.
I agree, although I wouldn't restrict the negative impact in the definition to just body composition. It's also about the quality of the food, the amount of processing it's had, the quantity of nutrients in it and so on. So you could technically eat a meal at McDs and stay within your caloric restriction for the day, which wouldn't negatively impact your body composition, but is still of much lower quality than alternatives such as home made food.
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A shotgun blast in your mouth will get you ripped in no time, gimmick.
hey fuck you dipshit
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kiwiol, which chemicals are put into a mcdonalds burger ?
i think you are mistaken.
a burger is made from 100% beef
their rolls are are made from the same flour and chemicals that most breads are made from.
???
unlike the fool dk, i also know there are no longer any trans fats and most fast food places - certainly not mcdonalds nor kfc.
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I Like Cake....
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kiwiol, which chemicals are put into a mcdonalds burger ?
A shit load of preservatives and similar stuff you'd never find in the meat you buy from the butchers or the local supermarket.
I remember reading about this lady who once dropped her keys in her car, felt the floor to retrieve them and found a partially eaten McDs burger that she (or someone in her family) had dropped - and they'd gone to McDonalds weeks before ;D The buns had gone all mouldy, but the meat patty was still edible, because that's how much shit they put in there to make them last all the time before it's time for them to be cooked and served.
It's not just the meat, it's also the oil they use for their fries, which is HEAVILY used to a point where it's just not good to be consumed regularly over the long-term.
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12-Year Old McDonald's Hamburger, Still Looking Good
Posted by Robyn Lee, September 25, 2008 at 4:30 PM
The McDonald's hamburger on the right is from 2008; the one on the left is from 1996. And they both look fairly edible.
Wellness educator and nutrition consultant Karen Hanrahan has kept a McDonald's hamburger since 1996 to illustrate its nonexistent ability to decay. Aside from drying out and bit and having "the oddest smell," it apparently hasn't changed much in the past 12 years.
This isn't the first time someone kept an uneaten McDonald's hamburger for an extended period of time for the sake of science. Or in the case of the Bionic Burger Museum, multiple burgers for over 19 years.
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Another skinny TA wannabe who thinks he knows everything. Only on getbig
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12-Year Old McDonald's Hamburger, Still Looking Good
Posted by Robyn Lee, September 25, 2008 at 4:30 PM
The McDonald's hamburger on the right is from 2008; the one on the left is from 1996. And they both look fairly edible.
Wellness educator and nutrition consultant Karen Hanrahan has kept a McDonald's hamburger since 1996 to illustrate its nonexistent ability to decay. Aside from drying out and bit and having "the oddest smell," it apparently hasn't changed much in the past 12 years.
This isn't the first time someone kept an uneaten McDonald's hamburger for an extended period of time for the sake of science. Or in the case of the Bionic Burger Museum, multiple burgers for over 19 years.
Hi Kiwiol ::) ;D
Thanks for that - looks like it's worse than I thought, lol
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Hi Kiwiol ::) ;D
Thanks for that - looks like it's worse than I thought, lol
You're welcome chaos ::) ;D
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Then he's a liar. In any case, doesn't matter. Most pro BBs have no clue about nutrition or training. They have great genetics and enough drugs in their system.
So you're saying you know more about nutrition or training than a pro BB ?
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I never called anyone an idiot.
I said arguments ad hominem are irrelevant. One could be the fattest guy around and still know more about nutrition than us. Plus, on the internet anyone can claim anything anyway. Who knows if my pictures are actually me? And who knows whether you tell the truth about your condition or not? So I'm not my only proof, I'm no proof at all. The only "proof" (if we want to call it that) lies in scientific studies.
One of the things I've learned in the few years I've been in this game is that personal experience is more important than scientific studies.
Bodybuilding is more than just science, at least in the training/nutrition area.
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So you're saying you know more about nutrition or training than a pro BB ?
Depends of course but from what I've heard from most of them (interviews, training videos), yes.
Not that a lot of knowledge is required.
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12-Year Old McDonald's Hamburger, Still Looking Good
Posted by Robyn Lee, September 25, 2008 at 4:30 PM
The McDonald's hamburger on the right is from 2008; the one on the left is from 1996. And they both look fairly edible.
Wellness educator and nutrition consultant Karen Hanrahan has kept a McDonald's hamburger since 1996 to illustrate its nonexistent ability to decay. Aside from drying out and bit and having "the oddest smell," it apparently hasn't changed much in the past 12 years.
This isn't the first time someone kept an uneaten McDonald's hamburger for an extended period of time for the sake of science. Or in the case of the Bionic Burger Museum, multiple burgers for over 19 years.
Awesome! So if I increase my uptake of these, I won't age......thanks BB !!!
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Awesome! So if I increase my uptake of these, I won't age......thanks BB !!!
You're welcome. I'll be including this tip in my upcoming Butterbean Principles thread :)
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kiwiol, which chemicals are put into a mcdonalds burger ?
i think you are mistaken.
a burger is made from 100% beef
their rolls are are made from the same flour and chemicals that most breads are made from.
???
unlike the fool dk, i also know there are no longer any trans fats and most fast food places - certainly not mcdonalds nor kfc.
Oh really, asshole??
The tell me why they have transfats in their nutrition PDF you can download on the official McDonald's webpage? But now you will argue that these are only low levels of transfats, and as you are a fat fuck, you probably don't give a shit at all that you get nearly as much fat in a hamburger as you get protein.
http://nutrition.mcdonalds.com/nutritionexchange/nutritionfacts.pdf
But i guess that if you just tell yourself enough this shit is good for you, it might come true.
The nutritional value of McDonald's food is horrible.
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Oh really, asshole??
The tell me why they have transfats in their nutrition PDF you can download on the official McDonald's webpage? But now you will argue that these are only low levels of transfats, and as you are a fat fuck, you probably don't give a shit at all that you get nearly as much fat in a hamburger as you get protein.
http://nutrition.mcdonalds.com/nutritionexchange/nutritionfacts.pdf
But i guess that if you just tell yourself enough this shit is good for you, it might come true.
The nutritional value of McDonald's food is horrible.
So much for the 'Fatpanda is a bigger expert than 99.9% of Getbig' claim :-\
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A shit load of preservatives and similar stuff you'd never find in the meat you buy from the butchers or the local supermarket.
I remember reading about this lady who once dropped her keys in her car, felt the floor to retrieve them and found a partially eaten McDs burger that she (or someone in her family) had dropped - and they'd gone to McDonalds weeks before ;D The buns had gone all mouldy, but the meat patty was still edible, because that's how much shit they put in there to make them last all the time before it's time for them to be cooked and served.
It's not just the meat, it's also the oil they use for their fries, which is HEAVILY used to a point where it's just not good to be consumed regularly over the long-term.
You are dead wrong about preservatives, there are none. Also, you can do the meat "experiement" with ANY food as long as you keep the moisture at bay. Dry ANY food out and it will preserve just as long as a McDonalds Hamburger. ITs basic Science you know. (or perhaps you didn`t)
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Eliminate moisture add a bunch of fat and salt and this will happen to anything. An ounce of integrity from people that don't like McDonalds or "commercial" food and try to prove a point by doing "art projects" would at least look into why it does what it does.
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12-Year Old McDonald's Hamburger, Still Looking Good
Posted by Robyn Lee, September 25, 2008 at 4:30 PM
The McDonald's hamburger on the right is from 2008; the one on the left is from 1996. And they both look fairly edible.
Wellness educator and nutrition consultant Karen Hanrahan has kept a McDonald's hamburger since 1996 to illustrate its nonexistent ability to decay. Aside from drying out and bit and having "the oddest smell," it apparently hasn't changed much in the past 12 years.
This isn't the first time someone kept an uneaten McDonald's hamburger for an extended period of time for the sake of science. Or in the case of the Bionic Burger Museum, multiple burgers for over 19 years.
You are part of the Science Illiterate around here too I assume. I really can`t believe that in this day and age people are so easily fooled and so stupid.
Nothing "scary" about dried food. I am really getting fed up with the monster stupidty on this site as of late.
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Beef jerky is dried meat, nothing wrong with it.
It tastes awful though ;D
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You are part of the Science Illiterate around here too I assume. I really can`t believe that in this day and age people are so easily fooled and so stupid.
Nothing "scary" about dried food. I am really getting fed up with the monster stupidty on this site as of late.
ahahahahaha who gives a fuck you stupid tool. your fed up- ahahahahahahaha like thats supposed to be a big deal to everyone here.
leave then stupid. don't let the door hit you in your bullshitting, wanna be ass on the way out.
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Beef jerky is dried meat, nothing wrong with it.
It tastes awful though ;D
Same principle. Salt, Fat, eliminate moisture. Parlor trick works everytime. I like that the majority here are dumb enough to fall for it every single time and attribute it to some "evil" food or ingredient. People are fuckign dumb thats all there is to it.
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ahahahahaha who gives a fuck you stupid tool. your fed up- ahahahahahahaha like thats supposed to be a big deal to everyone here.
leave then stupid. don't let the door hit you in your bullshitting, wanna be ass on the way out.
You are part of the Science Illiterati as well eh?
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You are part of the Science Illiterati as well eh?
no, i just don't like you.
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no, i just don't like you.
Dumb as a brick. You may not be the cornerstone in the Getbig wall of stupid, but you nestle in quite nicely with the rest and are certainly as equally useless.
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Dumb as a brick. You may not be the cornerstone in the Getbig wall of stupid, but you nestle in quite nicely with the rest are as equally useless as the rest.
thank you.
coming from you that means a lot.
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thank you.
coming from you that means a lot.
Your welcome. Now go pick up a book, think critically for once and stop being ruled by fear and governed by myth.
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so there two tall idiots posting here then ?
There was a poster recently named "tallandfat". He had a brief but luminous posting career.
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That is just arguing for the sake of it. No one is talking about extremes or unusually high quantities. If we are talking a normal-sized meal for a person, they do get less nutrients and digestive problems (although not always) with fast food than they would if they ate something home-made (or food similar in quality). So for that person, at that meal, they are eating "junk".
If there are 2 burgers, one home made in a BBQ and another bought from McDonalds, the latter is "junk", because you don't get anywhere near the amount of nutrients that you get from the first. Even if the McDs burger does have 70 or 80% of the protein found in the first, it's not going to be as bioavailable, not to mention all the added chemicals it comes with.
There is a reason parents, for example, prefer their kids to eat vegetables and food prepared at home, as opposed to eating in Burger King and McDs all the time, and it's not just because they are stupid or ignorant.
I agree, although I wouldn't restrict the negative impact in the definition to just body composition. It's also about the quality of the food, the amount of processing it's had, the quantity of nutrients in it and so on. So you could technically eat a meal at McDs and stay within your caloric restriction for the day, which wouldn't negatively impact your body composition, but is still of much lower quality than alternatives such as home made food.
I make a Deep Fried Hamburger at home with 4 slices of Cheese and 4 slices of Bacon patty melt style slathered in butter that is way more calories than McDonalds biggest offering.
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That is just arguing for the sake of it. No one is talking about extremes or unusually high quantities. If we are talking a normal-sized meal for a person, they do get less nutrients and digestive problems (although not always) with fast food than they would if they ate something home-made (or food similar in quality). So for that person, at that meal, they are eating "junk".
If there are 2 burgers, one home made in a BBQ and another bought from McDonalds, the latter is "junk", because you don't get anywhere near the amount of nutrients that you get from the first. Even if the McDs burger does have 70 or 80% of the protein found in the first, it's not going to be as bioavailable, not to mention all the added chemicals it comes with.
There is a reason parents, for example, prefer their kids to eat vegetables and food prepared at home, as opposed to eating in Burger King and McDs all the time, and it's not just because they are stupid or ignorant.
I agree, although I wouldn't restrict the negative impact in the definition to just body composition. It's also about the quality of the food, the amount of processing it's had, the quantity of nutrients in it and so on. So you could technically eat a meal at McDs and stay within your caloric restriction for the day, which wouldn't negatively impact your body composition, but is still of much lower quality than alternatives such as home made food.
I made Boston Cream Cakes with Pastry Cream and Pollo Con Arroz . Care to take a guess at the calories. :)
Fast food has nothing on it.
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You are dead wrong about preservatives, there are none. Also, you can do the meat "experiement" with ANY food as long as you keep the moisture at bay. Dry ANY food out and it will preserve just as long as a McDonalds Hamburger. ITs basic Science you know. (or perhaps you didn`t)
McDonalds claiming there are no preservatives in their meat is like MuscleTech claiming their Creatine is 597% better than regular Creatine, lol.
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McDonalds claiming there are no preservatives in their meat is like MuscleTech claiming their Creatine is 597% better than regular Creatine, lol.
Wrong. McDonalds is required by law to accurately state ingredients. With a little research on your part you will find that you are believing in nothing than lies you created in your head or heard repeated. There is no grand conspiracy, nothing hidden in McDonalds, no bad ingredients whatsoever.
Every item of McDonalds has been tested and retested and retested by nearly every single food lab including their own. There is nothing sinister here. Get a fucking clue.
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TA and fatpanda getting pwned beyond belief AGAIN. Seriously when are you clowns going to learn not to post in something you have no clue about? Sad really!
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TA and fatpanda getting pwned beyond belief AGAIN. Seriously when are you clowns going to learn not to post in something you have no clue about? Sad really!
Where exactly is TA getting owned here?
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TA and fatpanda getting pwned beyond belief AGAIN. Seriously when are you clowns going to learn not to post in something you have no clue about? Sad really!
I don`t see how you can interpret it that way at all. Then again, you believe in a talking snake and that a dead zombie is watching your ever move.
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McDonalds claiming there are no preservatives in their meat is like MuscleTech claiming their Creatine is 597% better than regular Creatine, lol.
no sense arguing with him- he's the pasty, skinny, 150 pound version of fatpanda- a disliked, rub everyone the wrong way, know it all with delusions of grandeur.
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Dumb as a brick. You may not be the cornerstone in the Getbig wall of stupid, but you nestle in quite nicely with the rest and are certainly as equally useless.
you speakith the truth
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no sense arguing with him- he's the pasty, skinny, 150 pound version of fatpanda- a disliked, rub everyone the wrong way, know it all with delusions of grandeur.
Actually WL is one of the humblest people I know.
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Actually WL is one of the humblest people I know.
WL = :)
Eliminate moisture add a bunch of fat and salt and this will happen to anything.
Adonis do you not consider salt a preservative?
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WL = :)
Adonis do you not consider salt a preservative?
I like honey more than salt.
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Actually WL is one of the humblest people I know.
i was talking about TA.
and yes, i find WL very amicable and non- confrontational- despite seeling pipe dreams to the obese and over weight on the board who train with weights but don't have the discipline or will power to diet properly
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no sense arguing with him- he's the pasty, skinny, 150 pound version of fatpanda- a disliked, rub everyone the wrong way, know it all with delusions of grandeur.
He has his moments, though - I'm still cracking up from his post about a talking snake and a dead zombie ;D
Actually WL is one of the humblest people I know.
True that
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I respect what TA and wave say.....they have put thier beliefs into action and gotten results.
Fatpanda is a coat-tail riding fat, classless asshole.
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He has his moments, though - I'm still cracking up from his post about a talking snake and a dead zombie ;D
True that
All irrelevant to body composition. You=TEG
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One question to WL TA: should I always feel hungery? I got lot to cut from 310 6-6...
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One question to WL TA: should I always feel hungery? I got lot to cut from 310 6-6...
You are a terrible Gimmik.
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Oh really, asshole??
The tell me why they have transfats in their nutrition PDF you can download on the official McDonald's webpage? But now you will argue that these are only low levels of transfats, and as you are a fat fuck, you probably don't give a shit at all that you get nearly as much fat in a hamburger as you get protein.
http://nutrition.mcdonalds.com/nutritionexchange/nutritionfacts.pdf
But i guess that if you just tell yourself enough this shit is good for you, it might come true.
The nutritional value of McDonald's food is horrible.
not in the uk they don't fat calves.
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You are a terrible Gimmik.
You are a puny whiner :)
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not in the uk they don't fat calves.
both of you post pics.
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both of you post pics.
hahahahahahaha dk will never in 100000000000000000000000 years post pics because he is fatter than me.
i thought his calf pic was a pic of an elephants foot.
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hahahahahahaha dk will never in 100000000000000000000000 years post pics because he is fatter than me.
i thought his calf pic was a pic of an elephants foot.
out of all the members who have posted pics, 2 are fatter than you....onlyme and pumpster. the odds are against him being as fat and bloated as you.
all one has to do is be an average, everyday person and they own you. They don't even have to be big or muscular, because you are just a big blob of lard with zero muscularity
that you have the balls to ridicule JNN and lovemonkey just underscores what a complete asshole you are
Throw in the fact that you talk about people's wives and children and that makes you a real winner
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hahahahahahaha dk will never in 100000000000000000000000 years post pics because he is fatter than me.
i thought his calf pic was a pic of an elephants foot.
You see, you cannot provoke me with this.
I have never been fat, and even at the fattest that i ever was i could still see my abs.
I don't know why you're so obsessed with the calf pic, and even at that pic i was at about 80kg.
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out of all the members who have posted pics, 2 are fatter than you....onlyme and pumpster. the odds are against him being as fat and bloated as you.
all one has to do is be an average, everyday person and they own you. They don't even have to be big or muscular, because you are just a big blob of lard with zero muscularity
that you have the balls to ridicule JNN and lovemonkey just underscores what a complete asshole you are
Throw in the fact that you talk about people's wives and children and that makes you a real winner
He cannot even admit that he's a fat guy that needs some help but still thinks he's a super bodybuilder with perfect nutrition knowledge.
FP is even MORE delusional than Vince Goodrum, because compared to Fatpanda, Goodrum looks like Ronnie Coleman.
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Actually WL is one of the humblest people I know.
what kind of fucking english is that?!
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You see, you cannot provoke me with this.
I have never been fat, and even at the fattest that i ever was i could still see my abs.
I don't know why you're so obsessed with the calf pic, and even at that pic i was at about 80kg.
feeling paranoid and insecure ?
i'm not trying to provoke you. i KNOW you will never ever post a pic because you would be laughed off the boards.
that fat calf was more than enough.
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I actually remember an article written by 2006 North American Championship Overall Winner Gus Malliarodakis (also star of the Bodybuilding movie disaster No Pain No Gain), in which he talked about how he derived a contest prep technique which is all based on diet and he never ever had to do cardio again!
Maybe Wavelength is on to something!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-0bww9UGVx4/Sdbt6zmMfxI/AAAAAAAAAXU/GgExqhsV5-g/s400/gus+malliarodakis3.jpg)
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I actually remember an article written by 2006 North American Championship Overall Winner Gus Malliarodakis (also star of the Bodybuilding movie disaster No Pain No Gain), in which he talked about how he derived a contest prep technique which is all based on diet and he never ever had to do cardio again!
Maybe Wavelength is on to something!
LOL, It's not like I discovered anything, I just can't find any evidence that cardio is superior to eating less when it comes to body composition.
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LOL, It's not like I discovered anything, I just can't find any evidence that cardio is superior to eating less when it comes to body composition.
With simply eating less your metabolism is slowing down further and further, to the point where you can't meet your nutritional requirements anymore while being in a deficit simultaneously. By increasing your energy consumption instead of restricting your intake you can prevent that.
No rocket science.
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With simply eating less your metabolism is slowing down further and further, to the point where you can't meet your nutritional requirements anymore while being in a deficit simultaneously. By increasing your energy consumption instead of restricting your intake you can prevent that.
No rocket science.
No, Salsburger Science! 8)
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Cardio is still good for your most important muscle, your heart!
Exactly , the most neglected muscle too
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I've heard so many mixed things....
Some people have stated its better to decrease calories more, and keep cardio at an absolute minimum!
Others such as Bill Reynolds in the book "Sliced" say the opposite, they say to try to keep calories as high as possible and focus on increasing cardio
(http://www.hardbody.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/slicedbook.jpg)
For my fat ass to get ready for shows, I've found that I have to do both pretty intensely!! ;D
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I actually remember an article written by 2006 North American Championship Overall Winner Gus Malliarodakis (also star of the Bodybuilding movie disaster No Pain No Gain), in which he talked about how he derived a contest prep technique which is all based on diet and he never ever had to do cardio again!
Maybe Wavelength is on to something!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-0bww9UGVx4/Sdbt6zmMfxI/AAAAAAAAAXU/GgExqhsV5-g/s400/gus+malliarodakis3.jpg)
Robby robinson said no cardio
cardio was this invention by idiots
said bodybuiding is many days busting ass in gym and not eating a lot
(http://mmatrainingworkoutsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/robby-robinson.jpg)
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personally I enjoy doing cardio--I have no idea why, I just do
cue the "then why are you so fat" comments
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basic doesnt mean easy
I can get less food intake = more cut
hunger is pain that wont go away unles I eat food
I am starting to experiment with drinking 3 glass of water before I eat
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I think every BB'er should at least be able to jog 3 miles. Under 30 minutes, no?
I mean, it's kinda embarassing if you have this great physique but get winded easily.
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With simply eating less your metabolism is slowing down further and further, to the point where you can't meet your nutritional requirements anymore while being in a deficit simultaneously. By increasing your energy consumption instead of restricting your intake you can prevent that.
No rocket science.
To my knowledge and experience, metabolism doesn't slow down that much as long as you don't go to extremes with the deficit. You can always easily meet your nutritional requirements for optimal health and body composition.
But I agree that for some people it is more convenient to do cardio. ;D
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basic doesnt mean easy
I can get less food intake = more cut
hunger is pain that wont go away unles I eat food
I am starting to experiment with drinking 3 glass of water before I eat
AFAIK, water separate from food has little effect on hunger since it passes the stomach quickly. What works is mixing the water with the food (e.g. in soups).
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Then he's a liar. In any case, doesn't matter. Most pro BBs have no clue about nutrition or training. They have great genetics and enough drugs in their system.
so you refer to him to make your point in the positive,
and now he is a liar and has no clue thus irrelevent to your point? ::)
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so you refer to him to make your point in the positive,
and now he is a liar and has no clue thus irrelevent to your point? ::)
This is what he claimed at least at some point. It's possible of course that he didn't tell the truth. It's not necessary for him to know a lot to choose a method which works.
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so you refer to him to make your point in the positive,
and now he is a liar and has no clue thus irrelevent to your point? ::)
It's called selective perception.
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It's called selective perception.
You=TEG!
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It's called selective perception.
Well maybe I'm wrong and all competitive BBs do cardio even if they claim they don't. Point taken.
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This is what he claimed at least at some point. It's possible of course that he didn't tell the truth. It's not necessary for him to know a lot to choose a method which works.
He didn't lie.
The thing is Dexter didn't do cardio up to a certain point in his career (2003 or so) because he was afraid to lose size, then he started working with some trainer (I think it was Joe Mcneil or something) and he told and taught him to do cardio without losing size. From that point on Dexter started doing it and still does it now.
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in some ways cardio is not a musdt as long as you have a caloric deficiti,, but some cardio can be good for several reasons,, as it can help with sticking to the diet also can be necessary to get off last biut of stubborn BF as a competitior,, specially for the girls,,
morning cardio is very good for competitiivbe bodybuilder who is already lean,, for fatty it doesn't matter when you do it just that you do it
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hahahahahahaha dk will never in 100000000000000000000000 years post pics because he is fatter than me.
i thought his calf pic was a pic of an elephants foot.
I highly doubt that....have you seen yourself?
You are one fat mother fukker