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http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Shields-Cuts-20-Pounds-Barely-Overcomes-Kampmann-27724
It wasn't pretty, but Jake Shields got his hand raised in his long-awaited UFC debut.
The former two-division Strikeforce champion earned a hard-fought split decision victory over Martin Kampmann in the co-main event of UFC 121 at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif. Though he did enough to earn the victory, Shields only vaguely resembled the fighter who dismantled Dan Henderson just six months ago.
“I don't want to make excuses, but it was my first time at 170 in while,” said Shields at the post-fight press conference. “I cut 20 pounds in a day. I'll never do that again.”
Though the former EliteXC welterweight champ controlled the fight on the ground, it was clear that the massive weight cut took its toll on Shields. While aggressive in round one, the Cesar Gracie product visibly slowed as the fight wore on, looking more exhausted with each passing minute. To his credit, Shields gutted through the fatigue and scored a takedown in round three, eventually working his way onto Kampmann's back.
“Martin is a great fighter. I don't think it was my best performance, but this is a learning experience,” said Shields. “I kept my winning streak going, and I'm going to come back stronger next time.”
UFC president Dana White was not sympathetic to Shields' weight issues on Saturday night.
“I think he did things wrong that he won't do next time. He cut too much weight; that's his problem. That's ridiculous to cut 20 pounds in a day. That's stupid,” said White.
Though the UFC boss was definitely irritated, that doesn't mean that Shields isn't his choice as No. 1 contender for the welterweight title. White tempered his comments on Shields' weight cut with some positive feedback about his performance.
“I thought Martin was a tough fight for Jake coming in. No matter what he's done in the past, that's tough coming into the UFC for the first time,” said White. “[Shields] beat a tough guy. I don't think any differently about the kid now than I did at the weigh-in yesterday.”
But should Shields really be fighting at 170 considering the trouble he just had in making weight? Would a run at middleweight, where he did his most recent damage in Strikeforce, be a smarter choice for Shields? White believes it would not.
“Look at his frame. He should be at 170 pounds. If he fights at 185 here, he'll feel the difference in strength and size against guys like Anderson Silva and Nate Marquardt,” said the UFC president.
And as for Martin Kampmann, White believes that the scrappy Dane let a victory slip through his fingers that may haunt him for the rest of his career.
“Kampmann is a game guy. He's a tough kid who always brings it,” said White. “But Kampmann just wouldn't let his hands go. I think he'll regret it the rest of his life. I think he blew it and didn't press it like he should have.”
Of course, the prize that both men covet at 170 pounds is Georges St. Pierre's title, which the champ will put on the line against Josh Koscheck at UFC 124 in December. After confirming that Shields was indeed now the official number one contender, White was asked how he believed Shields would match up against GSP or Koscheck. The UFC president was impartial in his response, but he did offer up an assertion that Shields' fans would likely be quick to echo.
“I can't judge [how he matches up against St. Pierre or Koscheck] by tonight's fight. It is what it is. He's a grown man, and he knows how should have done things,” said White. “I think we'll see a different Jake Shields in his next fight.”
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Also see Rampage in his last fight against Rashad. Gassed.
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Shields is an awful fighter. He doesn't deserve a title shot at bantam weight. He fights cans and wins by boring his opponent into tapping out. Overall he is a one dimensional fairy who is as exciting as watching paint dry. In Pride with yellow cards, Shields would be 0-20 for his career. Half the time he doesn't even attempt to do any damage or finish the fight.
I hope he does fight GSP so GSP beats him into a coma.
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Then you must also hate it about boxing and real wrestling also. The rebound effect is a powerful thing. And blood doping done right can take care of gassing out.
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Sheilds looked like he did because of the cut and nothing else. He went 5 Hard rounds with Dan and didnt look gassed at all. everyone will be shocked with his next fight mark my words :)
he shouldnt have put himself in that retarded situation in the first place though. dont know wtf he was thinking.
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Then you must also hate it about boxing and real wrestling also. The rebound effect is a powerful thing. And blood doping done right can take care of gassing out.
Both sports have old school mentalities when it come to nutrition, not sure about boxing but in High school and college wrestling they have to get hydration testing for safety's sake. I am the strength, conditioning and nutrition coach for the one of the top 5 wrestling high schools in our state where we have 4 national champions 2 of which were undefeated last year....season hasn't started this year and we are still in offseason training.
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Sheilds looked like he did because of the cut and nothing else. He went 5 Hard rounds with Dan and didnt look gassed at all. everyone will be shocked with his next fight mark my words :)
he shouldnt have put himself in that retarded situation in the first place though. dont know wtf he was thinking.
This kind of stupid shit happends all the time.
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This kind of stupid shit happends all the time.
new weight for him though.. last fight was in 185. still he should have known better :/
how far from fight weight do you reccomend staying? I know edgar almost walks around exactly at fight weight, and hes the champ.
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The only way to fix it Coach is to have weigh ins an hour before each fight.
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The only way to fix it Coach is to have weigh ins an hour before each fight.
Thats what they do in amature mma, but you're right that would probably work.
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new weight for him though.. last fight was in 185. still he should have known better :/
how far from fight weight do you reccomend staying? I know edgar almost walks around exactly at fight weight, and hes the champ.
Depends on what weight class the fighter regularly fights at. If he stays in a consistent weight class my rule of thumb is usually 15-20lbs. Unless a fighter is taking fights at the last minute for the money, we start 8-10 weeks out, If we start around that time it assures me that they will not lose power and strength but rather be more powerful and stronger the day of the fight. I want them to lose fat while keeping hydrated. One fighter I have (had) had a bad habit of coming to me at the last minute before a fight because he needed the money, he would be 20lbs overweight taking a fight sometimes days in advance and wind up losing because he was gassed, his record went from 5-1 to 5-4. I won't work with that.
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Seriously, that neck bendy dude looked fucked..That's some paraplegic shit right there.
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jake lost the fight...period. he got handed a win
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Kurt Angel never cut weight in wrestling which is unheard of.
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isn't there an MMA board?
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I couldn't believe that either, Kempmann kicked his ass, kept getting him down, got strikes on him, shields wasn't doing shit except gassing and hanging on, HOW THE F*CK DOES HE WIN !!?!?!?!?!?!
dana gave the ref a nice bonus in his pay...fcking bullshit
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I couldn't believe that either, Kempmann kicked his ass, kept getting him down, got strikes on him, shields wasn't doing shit except gassing and hanging on, HOW THE F*CK DOES HE WIN !!?!?!?!?!?!
dana gave the ref a nice bonus in his pay...fcking bullshit
No...Dana White was pissed and took away Shields title shot.
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No...Dana White was pissed and took away Shields title shot.
that can doesn't deserve a title shot lol, just because he was good in strikeforce doesn't mean he's gonna do shit in ufc..look @ roy nelson
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I realized there are only about 2 dozen MMA threads here. It's not enough, we need more. Here's another one.
MMA was cool in the 90's, now everyone and their Mother is into that shit and it's gotten gay.
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MMA existed in the 90s? ???
oh, and correct me if i'm wrong, but i think theres an MMA board
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Big money and that culture off TAPOUT sideways hat wearing idiots ruined MMA.
In the late 90's it was cool and raw. It used to have more of a hardcore martial arts feel.
Now it's just more like a big money sport full of pampered millionares and trendies.
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MMA existed in the 90s? ???
oh, and correct me if i'm wrong, but i think theres an MMA board
Royce Gracie was the man back then.....no gay weight limit and he was smoking guys who outweighed him by 50-75lbs on a regular basis.
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I couldn't believe that either, Kempmann kicked his ass, kept getting him down, got strikes on him, shields wasn't doing shit except gassing and hanging on, HOW THE F*CK DOES HE WIN !!?!?!?!?!?!
dana gave the ref a nice bonus in his pay...fcking bullshit
It's kinda like this, he won on his ground game, his ground game is absolutely ridiculous. kampmann would keep on getting him in submission holds and Shields, no matter what the hold kept on getting out of them, on the other hand kampmann has a great stand up and Shields knew it..so keep him on the ground, in the last minutes of the third, Shields had him down to the point kampmann couldn't move. Shields won on with his ground game. Just because someone is bleeding doesn't mean they won.
Last year when my fighter Jay Silva fought CB Dollaway in Oklahoma, CB won on take downs and wrestling skills the first 2 rounds, in the 3rd Jay beat the f**k out him with punches and two flying knees that connected to the face. Dollaway was f**ked up royally but was able to finish the and won in the first two rounds with take downs. Dollaway had to be carried out the ring, suffered a concussion and had to get 32 stitches above his eye, Jay had NO marks on him yet lost in decision.
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Both sports have old school mentalities when it come to nutrition, not sure about boxing but in High school and college wrestling they have to get hydration testing for safety's sake. I am the strength, conditioning and nutrition coach for the one of the top 5 wrestling high schools in our state where we have 4 national champions 2 of which were undefeated last year....season hasn't started this year and we are still in offseason training.
Have to add to this because I just found out that 2 of my wrestlers are ranked #1 and #56 in the COUNTRY High School national recruiting rankings 8)
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Royce Gracie was the man back then.....no gay weight limit and he was smoking guys who outweighed him by 50-75lbs on a regular basis.
Royce wouldn't last 1 round in modern MMA.
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Royce wouldn't last 1 round in modern MMA.
Hell, he's about 50 now, so I suppose not.
Put him in his prime and I would take that wager any day of the week.
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Hell, he's about 50 now, so I suppose not.
Put him in his prime and I would take that wager any day of the week.
Actually he's 44 and he couldn't even beat Ken Shamrock or finish Nobohiko Takada 10 years ago. Gracie Jiu-Jitsu in modern MMA is worthless. BJJ is better.
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Actually he's 44 and he couldn't even beat Ken Shamrock or finish Nobohiko Takada 10 years ago. Gracie Jiu-Jitsu in modern MMA is worthless. BJJ is better.
Wrestling is better than both.
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It's kinda like this, he won on his ground game, his ground game is absolutely ridiculous. kampmann would keep on getting him in submission holds and Shields, no matter what the hold kept on getting out of them, on the other hand kampmann has a great stand up and Shields knew it..so keep him on the ground, in the last minutes of the third, Shields had him down to the point kampmann couldn't move. Shields won on with his ground game. Just because someone is bleeding doesn't mean they won.
Last year when my fighter Jay Silva fought CB Dollaway in Oklahoma, CB won on take downs and wrestling skills the first 2 rounds, in the 3rd Jay beat the f**k out him with punches and two flying knees that connected to the face. Dollaway was f**ked up royally but was able to finish the and won in the first two rounds with take downs. Dollaway had to be carried out the ring, suffered a concussion and had to get 32 stitches above his eye, Jay had NO marks on him yet lost in decision.
Do you still work with Silva? Last i remember he got demolished by Lombard, no real shock there as the guy is a legit top 5 MW
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Do you still work with Silva? Last i remember he got demolished by Lombard, no real shock there as the guy is a legit top 5 MW
Yes, well...sorta. it's a love/hate relationship..some days I feel sorry for him and take him back other days we train and other days we won't speak for weeks because he knows I'm pissed at him, right now I'm pissed at him. As for Lombard, me, Anthony Johnson and Kongo told him not to take the fight but he "needed the money" so we dropped him down 22lbs in 2 days, didn't make the 185 so they let him fight at a catch weight of 190. We knew he wouldn't win because Lombard was on an 18-0 win streak....but shit, to get ko'd in 6 seconds.......
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No...Dana White was pissed and took away Shields title shot.
coach stop making up stuff.
Dana has said a bunch of times AFTER the fight.
"I dont think any less of shields after the fight then I do now" and didnt mention at all that the title fight if off. Or do you have a source. my source is his own words in the interview with ariel after the event and the press conference.
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I couldn't believe that either, Kempmann kicked his ass, kept getting him down, got strikes on him, shields wasn't doing shit except gassing and hanging on, HOW THE F*CK DOES HE WIN !!?!?!?!?!?!
dana gave the ref a nice bonus in his pay...fcking bullshit
Kampmann threw the fight. He should have LET HIS HANDS GO. I know he was afraid about getting traken down, but when it happened sheilds was too fucking tired to do anything anyway (a non 20pound cut in one day sheilds would have subbed him within the first round imo) So why the FUCK didnt he try and KO him. His striking is ALOT better the sheilds.
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I thought Jake looked horrible from the second round on but I gave him the first and third rounds pretty easy. I could see the judges giving Martin the 2nd round but nothing more than that.
Jake belongs at 185. Dana wants him at 170 because he doesn't need a wheel of rematches in the WW division with GSP. After GSP beats Koscheck I don't want to see him beat Jon Fitch again, or Thiago or Matt Hughes.
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I thought Jake looked horrible from the second round on but I gave him the first and third rounds pretty easy. I could see the judges giving Martin the 2nd round but nothing more than that.
Jake belongs at 185. Dana wants him at 170 because he doesn't need a wheel of rematches in the WW division with GSP. After GSP beats Koscheck I don't want to see him beat Jon Fitch again, or Thiago or Matt Hughes.
Still, 30-27 is absolutely ridiculous..
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Still, 30-27 is absolutely ridiculous..
mma juding is crazy.
ESPECIALLY somneone names "cecil peoples" the fact that he is still ALLOED to judge after all his RETARDED results I cant understand.
3 judges, two have is 30-27 30- 27 and then cecil 29-28 to the Other guy, almost every damn time haha
(http://www.bullshido.net/images/news/cecil-peoples-figure.jpg)
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3 judges, two have is 30-27 30- 27 and then cecil 29-28 to the Other guy, almost every damn time haha
Perhaps Cecil can't count to 30?
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Perhaps Cecil can't count to 30?
good point. while looking at him that might be the case
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MMA existed in the 90s? ???
oh, and correct me if i'm wrong, but i think theres an MMA board
stop bitching - MMA/ is BB related