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They said the Japanese are strict about keeping Japan Japanese, and that they believe bringing other ethnicities into their society raises crime rates, etc...
They've got laws on the book to make sure their society isn't invaded by "outsiders" (not just Blacks, Whites, and Hispanics, but even other Asians).
The reporter on the show (I think it was Vanguard) acted like this was an ignorant, racist policy. It seems to be working for Japan though?
Discuss...
I wish countries in Europe would adopt this policy.
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Speak to Donkeykong...he lives in Japan, has a Japanese wife and speaks fluent Japanese....
They said the Japanese are strict about keeping Japan Japanese, and that they believe bringing other ethnicities into their society raises crime rates, etc...
They've got laws on the book to make sure their society isn't invaded by "outsiders" (not just Blacks, Whites, and Hispanics, but even other Asians).
The reporter on the show (I think it was Vanguard) acted like this was an ignorant, racist policy. It seems to be working for Japan though?
Discuss...
I wish countries in Europe would adopt this policy.
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japan has always had a somewhat xenophobic reputation. depending on who you talk to, a lot of people have mentioned outright discrimination during their visits. there are some who have mentioned no problems whatsoever, but these tend to be part of the whole 'japanophile' population.. those that idolize all things japanese.
interested to hear donkeykong's input on the subject..
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japan has always had a somewhat xenophobic reputation. depending on who you talk to, a lot of people have mentioned outright discrimination during their visits. there are some who have mentioned no problems whatsoever, but these tend to be part of the whole 'japanophile' population.. those that idolize all things japanese.
interested to hear donkeykong's input on the subject..
DK loves it and never wants to leave. He doesn't care that they are racist, in fact I think he thinks it's a good thing. He is definitely a Japanophile. He sees the bad but feels that the good is much, much greater.
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DK loves it and never wants to leave. He doesn't care that they are racist, in fact I think he thinks it's a good thing. He is definitely a Japanophile. He sees the bad but feels that the good is much, much greater.
I agree, I tend to admire the fact that they're "racist" (interested in preserving their culture).
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Japan and Korea are both racist jackasses.
I know some of you all think this is cool and you'd love to live in a place like this, but trust me, it's fucking whack.
You gotta strike the right balance between multi-culturalism and preserving your own culture. Going too far in either direction is not good.
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Japan and Korea are both racist jackasses.
I know some of you all think this is cool and you'd love to live in a place like this, but trust me, it's fucking whack.
You gotta strike the right balance between multi-culturalism and preserving your own culture. Going too far in either direction is not good.
Haven't lived in Japan but have lived in Korea. Sure, they are racist but Korean food is awesome!
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Japan and Korea are both racist jackasses.
I know some of you all think this is cool and you'd love to live in a place like this, but trust me, it's fucking whack.
You gotta strike the right balance between multi-culturalism and preserving your own culture. Going too far in either direction is not good.
They've got extremely low crime/welfare rates as far as I know.
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They've got extremely low crime/welfare rates as far as I know.
Low crime rates are one good thing these places have.
There are lots of problems too though. A racist and xenophobic culture like Korea or Japan is culture of fucking assholes. Truely kind people are accepting of foreigners. Truely, the people in these two countries can be complete fucking pricks.
That doesn't mean a country should open the flood gates to immigrants of course.
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Low crime rates are one good thing these places have.
There are lots of problems too though. A racist and xenophobic culture like Korea or Japan is culture of fucking assholes. Truely kind people are accepting of foreigners. Truely, the people in these two countries can be complete fucking pricks.
That doesn't mean a country should open the flood gates to immigrants of course.
I love Asians (and all other productive immigrants regardless of race), and I don't think the United States should adopt a policy like this (we couldn't). I do with European countries would....
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I think it's great, having different cultures is what makes the world interesting.
Europe is gone in fifty years and America is going that way.
Multicultralism is some bland shit. Militant Islam is riding back carriage anyway.
More power to the japs for preserving their great culture.
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Low crime rates are one good thing these places have.
There are lots of problems too though. A racist and xenophobic culture like Korea or Japan is culture of fucking assholes. Truely kind people are accepting of foreigners. Truely, the people in these two countries can be complete fucking pricks.
That doesn't mean a country should open the flood gates to immigrants of course.
The people here are complete pricks if you shit on their culture, misbehave, don't speak the language, and so on.
A good attitude, some of which Europe should have had.
I have yet to meet a Japanese that acts racist towards me who has spoken to me for a few minutes. Some of them are rather jealous of foreigners, but that is another story.
Live in Japan is good, as long as you are willing to adapt.
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I think it's great, having different cultures is what makes the world interesting.
Europe is gone in fifty years and America is going that way.
Multicultralism is some bland shit. Militant Islam is riding back carriage anyway.
More power to the japs for preserving their great culture.
Having different cultures is good as long as they are in their boundaries. Europe, especially France, GB and Germany are prime examples of what happens when you have too many people that act like they want. This includes even the Germans. German culture was completely destroyed after 1968 by the hippies because everything German was Nazi.
So Germans grew up without a culture, rather with a mixture of cultures after that, and many thought it would be a good idea to let EVERYONE participate, get the turks, get the italians and everyone can do what they want. It failed badly.
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Having different cultures is good as long as they are in their boundaries. Europe, especially France, GB and Germany are prime examples of what happens when you have too many people that act like they want. This includes even the Germans. German culture was completely destroyed after 1968 by the hippies because everything German was Nazi.
So Germans grew up without a culture, rather with a mixture of cultures after that, and many thought it would be a good idea to let EVERYONE participate, get the turks, get the italians and everyone can do what they want. It failed badly.
So you're saying there's not a whole lot of Hindenburg left in germany?
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So you're saying there's not a whole lot of Hindenburg left in germany?
LOL.
What i say is that people thought that everything about Germany was about Hitler, even the Germans. So they tried to create a completely new culture, which should be open to evereyone, but that failed.
Japan acted very differently after WW2, they kept on like they did before, nothing really changed. Japan is so conservative about everything, there is a time window for people from 18-21 where they have freedom and can basically do what they want, but afterwards it's all back to black suits and work all day.
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Donkey,
What's your ethnicity?
"1"
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Donkey,
What's your ethnicity?
"1"
Caucasian.
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japan is awesome
as Jingoistic as they are they also love Gaijin....especially the Black ones
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japan is awesome
as Jingoistic as they are they also love Gaijin....especially the Black ones
Are you crazy??
Japanese hate blacks, the only exception are a few mudsharks that meet on 200m street where masses of blacks try to lure people into strip shops in Tokyo.
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Are you crazy??
Japanese hate blacks, the only exception are a few mudsharks that meet on 200m street where masses of blacks try to lure people into strip shops in Tokyo.
I stand corrected
it is the Japanese in NYC who are obsessed with Hip Hop culture love the Blacks
this is me walking away and stopping to pretend i know alot about japan just because i was there for two weeks in 2002
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I stand corrected
it is the Japanese in NYC who are obsessed with Hip Hop culture love the Blacks
this is me walking away and stopping to pretend i know alot about japan just because i was there for two weeks in 2002
Well, i have to admit on the hiphop culture, you can see some people dressing like it, but these re people who usually like the US a lot.
Yet, when you think about blacks living in Japan, they have a tough life here...
Japanese who have lived abroad for a time usually open up very much to they place they have lived.
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Most asian societies are i wouldnt say racists but very protective of their culture.
Im half japanese and have been to japan many times and have never been the recipeint of any racist actions. I agree with Dk respect the culture and its norms and you wont have a problem. Run around like a typical jack ass and you will get dirty looks and yelled at but thats not b/c your a foreigner its b/c youre acting like a jackass ;)
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Most asian societies are i wouldnt say racists but very protective of their culture.
Im half japanese and have been to japan many times and have never been the recipeint of any racist actions. I agree with Dk respect the culture and its norms and you wont have a problem. Run around like a typical jack ass and you will get dirty looks and yelled at but thats not b/c your a foreigner its b/c youre acting like a jackass ;)
True, Japanese acting different also get a lot of problems, but i really think a lot of Japanese are racist. When they see a foreigner, they tend to think that they cannot behave right, cannot speak Japanese let alone read/write, they cannot possibly know anything about Japan.
Also, they don't want foreigners in their country, especially in their vicinity.
This attitude usually changes pretty quick when they talk to me, but in general that's the first view they have. A foreigner speaking Japanese is like some strange alien to a lot of Japanese.
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True, Japanese acting different also get a lot of problems, but i really think a lot of Japanese are racist. When they see a foreigner, they tend to think that they cannot behave right, cannot speak Japanese let alone read/write, they cannot possibly know anything about Japan.
Also, they don't want foreigners in their country, especially in their vicinity.
This attitude usually changes pretty quick when they talk to me, but in general that's the first view they have. A foreigner speaking Japanese is like some strange alien to a lot of Japanese.
It's racism. There's no other way about it.
I've seen so many people try to sugarcoat this behavior in Japan and Korea. But it's basically just racism.
Fuck you Japan.
Fuck you Korea.
If you wanna go to some cool places in Asia with cool people. Go to Southeast Asia.....
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It's racism. There's no other way about it.
I've seen so many people try to sugarcoat this behavior in Japan and Korea. But it's basically just racism.
Fuck you Japan.
Fuck you Korea.
If you wanna go to some cool places in Asia with cool people. Go to Southeast Asia.....
Can you read? I said they are racist, and i am fine with it.
I don't have a problem with racists, I can understand it. Southeast Asia is too dirty and chaotic for me, after a week of vacation i have enough. (Singapore excluded)
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Can you read? I said they are racist, and i am fine with it.
I don't have a problem with racists, I can understand it. Southeast Asia is too dirty and chaotic for me, after a week of vacation i have enough. (Singapore excluded)
Dirty and chaotic? Yeah, if you stay in the big cities.
Big city life sucks almost everywhere though.
If you have accepted the system in Korea and Japan you are probably some ugly old white guy, married to a bitch who's breath smells like raw fish and chili paste, riding around town on your moped wearing a 3 piece suit, and your only hope of salvation is a trip into a massage parlor to get sucked and fucked by some middle aged woman wearing a sparkling tube top and mini skirt every other week.
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Dirty and chaotic? Yeah, if you stay in the big cities.
Big city life sucks almost everywhere though.
If you have accepted the system in Korea and Japan you are probably some ugly old white guy, married to a bitch who's breath smells like raw fish and chili paste, riding around town on your moped wearing a 3 piece suit, and your only hope of salvation is a trip into a massage parlor to get sucked and fucked by some middle aged woman wearing a sparkling tube top and mini skirt every other week.
LOL, what a nice meltdown.
Btw, are you telling me life in a vietnamese village isn't dirty and chaotic?
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LOL, what a nice meltdown.
Btw, are you telling me life in a vietnamese village isn't dirty and chaotic?
Dirty? Yes. But I don't really care. A little dirtyness doesn't bother me.
Chaotic? I always saw it as more exciting than chaotic. I'd rather take "chaotic" than the boring and soul-draining conservative BS of villages in Korea and Japan.
It just depends what kind of personality you have mainly. I think conservative people tend to like Japan and Korea more.
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Dirty? Yes. But I don't really care. A little dirtyness doesn't bother me.
Chaotic? I always saw it as more exciting than chaotic. I'd rather take "chaotic" than the boring and soul-draining conservative BS of villages in Korea and Japan.
It just depends what kind of personality you have mainly. I think conservative people tend to like Japan and Korea more.
See, you don't have to take it so personal.
For me, i like that everything is pretty much predictable in daily life. You go to a shop, the service is top notch. Crime rates are ultra low, especially when you're a foreigner, people leave you alone.
I don't want to live in a Japanese village as well, although i think i wouldn't have much problems there as well.
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Are you crazy??
Japanese hate blacks, the only exception are a few mudsharks that meet on 200m street where masses of blacks try to lure people into strip shops in Tokyo.
;D
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;D
Reverse mudsharking...
seriously though, they are the first of this kind that i have seen. You see the occasional slut that goes fishing for blacks in the clubs in Roppongi, but it's always only "for the story".
These girls are 20-25, they fuck around, then marry a Japanese man who will work every day from 7am to 11pm and that's that. They just want to have a little fun and have a story to tell that they once fucked a gaijin.
These girls are also most of the times considered ugly by Japanese standards, although western guys seem to like them.
I have never seen a Japanese man with a black girl in Japan in my life.
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Reverse mudsharking...
seriously though, they are the first of this kind that i have seen. You see the occasional slut that goes fishing for blacks in the clubs in Roppongi, but it's always only "for the story".
These girls are 20-25, they fuck around, then marry a Japanese man who will work every day from 7am to 11pm and that's that. They just want to have a little fun and have a story to tell that they once fucked a gaijin.
These girls are also most of the times considered ugly by Japanese standards, although western guys seem to like them.
I have never seen a Japanese man with a black girl in Japan in my life.
Many of these women, ahem have this romantic notion they they will be treated better by a non American (read black). If you look at the dude, he looks very feminine. If you look at the video, she is dressed in a kimono---many of these women, DO NOT WANT TO BE BLACK OR AMERICAN. And would give up everything to erase who they are. There is one black young lady, who met a Chinese man here in the states, said that she was attracted to his feminine facial features...WTF, so you are attracted to a non masculine man...they moved to Shanghai, and they have problems having babies..she had issues with herself and men in general.
That video is by a person who has been warned by Youtube to stop spamming youtube with those type of videos...black women with Asian men and sappy songs.
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Many of these women, ahem have this romantic notion they they will be treated better by a non American (read black). If you look at the dude, he looks very feminine. If you look at the video, she is dressed in a kimono---many of these women, DO NOT WANT TO BE BLACK OR AMERICAN. And would give up everything to erase who they are. There is one black young lady, who met a Chinese man here in the states, said that she was attracted to his feminine facial features...WTF, so you are attracted to a non masculine man...they moved to Shanghai, and they have problems having babies..she had issues with herself and men in general.
That video is by a person who has been warned by Youtube to stop spamming youtube with those type of videos...black women with Asian men and sappy songs.
LOL, thanks for pointing out the other side of the story.
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LOL, thanks for pointing out the other side of the story.
People are funny and odd how they think...I've never been to Japan, hopefully will go someday. More interested in the cars and culture. Not getting my nut off. Plus, I am not somebody mesmorized by the Anime/Hentai shit, and I am American, so I don't get some romantic notion of Japan being some uber playground.
BTW, remember Giselle, the sista that does Japanese porn...
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People are funny and odd how they think...I've never been to Japan, hopefully will go someday. More interested in the cars and culture. Not getting my nut off. Plus, I am not somebody mesmorized by the Anime/Hentai shit, and I am American, so I don't get some romantic notion of Japan being some uber playground.
BTW, remember Giselle, the sista that does Japanese porn...
Never heard of Giselle...
I you ever come to Japan, I'll invite you for a beer.
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Caucasian. Aryan
fixed
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Most asian societies are i wouldnt say racists but very protective of their culture.
Im half japanese and have been to japan many times and have never been the recipeint of any racist actions. I agree with Dk respect the culture and its norms and you wont have a problem. Run around like a typical jack ass and you will get dirty looks and yelled at but thats not b/c your a foreigner its b/c youre acting like a jackass ;)
Half Japanese, that's hilarious.... I always just assumed you were 100% Kentucky Hillbilly...
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Never heard of Giselle...
I you ever come to Japan, I'll invite you for a beer.
I think I sent you a pm about her, I resend it later...
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I think I sent you a pm about her, I resend it later...
Ah that one, sure! Sorry, forgot about it.
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Are you crazy??
Japanese hate blacks, the only exception are a few mudsharks that meet on 200m street where masses of blacks try to lure people into strip shops in Tokyo.
well....my uncle (father's brother) has japanese 1st wife and mistress 2nd wife (extremely attractive) with 8 kids in the bank between them both from japan. Obviously...there is the cuban spanish component mixed in with black. i'm not trying to debate...just know there are exceptions. anyway...
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well....my uncle (father's brother) has japanese 1st wife and mistress 2nd wife (extremely attractive) with 8 kids in the bank between them both from japan. Obviously...there is the cuban spanish component mixed in with black. i'm not trying to debate...just know there are exceptions. anyway...
Sure there are exceptions, never said that there weren't any, but in general blacks have it much much much more difficult than other foreigners in Japan.
The Japanese perception is like this:
Japanese
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White West-Europeans
White Americans
Southern Europeans / South-Americans
Asians (except Chinese)
Eastern Europeans / Russians
Blacks
Chinese
At least that is my perception...
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Sure there are exceptions, never said that there weren't any, but in general blacks have it much much much more difficult than other foreigners in Japan.
The Japanese perception is like this:
Japanese
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White West-Europeans
White Americans
Southern Europeans / South-Americans
Asians (except Chinese)
Eastern Europeans / Russians
Blacks
Chinese
At least that is my perception...
Maybe this is the reason why the only black character in Dragonball Z (Mr. Popo) looks like this:
(http://lavender.fortunecity.com/candyman/394/jace/PoPo.jpg)
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Maybe this is the reason why the only black character in Dragonball Z (Mr. Popo) looks like this:
(http://lavender.fortunecity.com/candyman/394/jace/PoPo.jpg)
I think Japanese would rather live together with aliens or big ass roboters than with other humans.
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Sure there are exceptions, never said that there weren't any, but in general blacks have it much much much more difficult than other foreigners in Japan.
The Japanese perception is like this:
Japanese
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White West-Europeans
White Americans
Southern Europeans / South-Americans
Asians (except Chinese)
Eastern Europeans / Russians
Blacks
Chinese
At least that is my perception...
That's interesting that fellow Asians, Chinese rank lower than completely different races.
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That's interesting that fellow Asians, Chinese rank lower than completely different races.
Yes, but this seems to be the case.
Japanese don't see themselves as Asians, they are Japanese. Hard to explain.
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Yes, but this seems to be the case.
Japanese don't see themselves as Asians, they are Japanese. Hard to explain.
Their featured are sharper, they physically look like advanced bastards....
Is there any correlation between sharp features (Japanese, Northern Europeans) and IQ? Someone call Matt C!
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The people of each Asian country hate all other Asians basically.
They do not see any similarity with other people just because they are both "Asian".
In the USA they lump ASian people together into the "Asian" category but in Asia. Nobody thinks like this at all.
Chinese are hated by just about all their neighbors. They are seen as crude, dirty con-artists.
Black people are considered ugly and considered the lowest of the low. Many Japanese people believe that blacks are not even actually human beings.
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That's interesting that fellow Asians, Chinese rank lower than completely different races.
I actually would have put the domestics lower than the Chinese. I don't think the Filipino's are anywhere near the same vicinity as the Chinese in Japan, I'd say the Thai's also rank lower and if you include Indians as Asians, they seem to be somewhere down the bottom as well.
The Japanese are extremely polite and hospitable at first meeting. It's only after a little while amongst them that you notice how much they separate themselves psychologically from 'gaijin'. I've also noticed that if you can speak Japanese very well, they at first seem amazed and quite respectful, but eventually will start to resent you for it. For many of my family and friends who have spent a long time there, they all say it's the one place where you feel more like an outsider the longer you stay there.
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I actually would have put the domestics lower than the Chinese. I don't think the Filipino's are anywhere near the same vicinity as the Chinese in Japan, I'd say the Thai's also rank lower and if you include Indians as Asians, they seem to be somewhere down the bottom as well.
The Japanese are extremely polite and hospitable at first meeting. It's only after a little while amongst them that you notice how much they separate themselves psychologically from 'gaijin'. I've also noticed that if you can speak Japanese very well, they at first seem amazed and quite respectful, but eventually will start to resent you for it. For many of my family and friends who have spent a long time there, they all say it's the one place where you feel more like an outsider the longer you stay there.
That's interesting as hell!
We had this thing, where we met with Chinese business men. We had a tall black man in our group, and all the Chinese flocked to him before they left to get pictures with him.
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I actually would have put the domestics lower than the Chinese. I don't think the Filipino's are anywhere near the same vicinity as the Chinese in Japan, I'd say the Thai's also rank lower and if you include Indians as Asians, they seem to be somewhere down the bottom as well.
The Japanese are extremely polite and hospitable at first meeting. It's only after a little while amongst them that you notice how much they separate themselves psychologically from 'gaijin'. I've also noticed that if you can speak Japanese very well, they at first seem amazed and quite respectful, but eventually will start to resent you for it. For many of my family and friends who have spent a long time there, they all say it's the one place where you feel more like an outsider the longer you stay there.
The amazement for the language is only show, most are scared of gaijin that speak the language though because they know the "secrets". But that is rather in a business context, in private life Japanese like gaijin who can speak the language.
I know many gaijin that have been living in Japan for 10, 20 years and almost all of them like it here.
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That's interesting as hell!
We had this thing, where we met with Chinese business men. We had a tall black man in our group, and all the Chinese flocked to him before they left to get pictures with him.
What, like he is some alien? God Damn, people are people...
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What, like he is some alien? God Damn, people are people...
Yup, it was very awkward... :(
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Yup, it was very awkward... :(
maybe they were sizing him up for "'Rent a Black Man"
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Before the age of TV many Japanese and Koreans did not even know that black people existed on this Earth.
Totally true.
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maybe they were sizing him up for "'Rent a Black Man"
Hahahaha...
The word "gaijin," is such a funny word for some reason :D
Hearing all this I don't even want to go to Japan, lol.
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Yup, it was very awkward... :(
Japanese have a sense of manners that you don't stare at people, Chinese don't have that.
When i see Chinese tourists in Tokyo, they stare at all the Gaijin, point their fingers and so on. Chinese have a funny culture, all other countries would say they are totally rude. They spit where they go, i once got out of a plane with some Chinese guys and the first thing they did was gather round a trashcan and spit into it several times making loud gargling noises... :-X :-X :-X
A lot of Chinese also have a totally different idea of hygiene....
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Japanese have a sense of manners that you don't stare at people, Chinese don't have that.
When i see Chinese tourists in Tokyo, they stare at all the Gaijin, point their fingers and so on. Chinese have a funny culture, all other countries would say they are totally rude. They spit where they go, i once got out of a plane with some Chinese guys and the first thing they did was gather round a trashcan and spit into it several times making loud gargling noises... :-X :-X :-X
A lot of Chinese also have a totally different idea of hygiene....
haha, you know what else these chinese guys did?
They went into some gas station, and they purchased about 55 "Chewy Bars".... WTF ;D (http://thelgl.com/lifeandtimes/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/quaker-chewy-bar-438x1024.jpg)
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Before the age of TV many Japanese and Koreans did not even know that black people existed on this Earth.
Totally true.
Not true, at least for Japan. There were lots of Black GIs in Japan after WW2.
But it's true for China, even today most have never seen a black person in their lives.
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haha, you know what else these chinese guys did?
They went into some gas station, and they purchased about 55 "Chewy Bars".... WTF ;D
Well, you should see how crazy americans are, i see them buy tons of green tea biscuits here...
(http://www.oocities.com/scythrscy/candy/pocky-moussematcha.jpg)
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Hahahaha...
The word "gaijin," is such a funny word for some reason :D
Hearing all this I don't even want to go to Japan, lol.
But, you did...
DK, I think you said that the reason why there are alot of snaggle-tooth Japanese people is because the Japanese view dental different;y than Americans, we are more about the aesthetic appearance of the teeth, and them being white. Whereas the Japanese, as long as they are clean, it's okay. I've looked at several of those J pop magainzes, and the women look "good", but they have some Jagged Edge teeth.
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Well, you should see how crazy americans are, i see them buy tons of green tea biscuits here...
(http://www.oocities.com/scythrscy/candy/pocky-moussematcha.jpg)
haha, we've got an international store here...
I got about $25.00 worth of Poki, the strawberry is my favorite.
;D
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But, you did...
DK, I think you said that the reason why there are alot of snaggle-tooth Japanese people is because the Japanese view dental different;y than Americans, we are more about the aesthetic appearance of the teeth, and them being white. Whereas the Japanese, as long as they are clean, it's okay. I've looked at several of those J pop magainzes, and the women look "good", but they have some Jagged Edge teeth.
;) They are some of the nicest and most polite people I've ever met, but from some of the people on this thread I guess if you live there it's a lot different than visiting.
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But, you did...
DK, I think you said that the reason why there are alot of snaggle-tooth Japanese people is because the Japanese view dental different;y than Americans, we are more about the aesthetic appearance of the teeth, and them being white. Whereas the Japanese, as long as they are clean, it's okay. I've looked at several of those J pop magainzes, and the women look "good", but they have some Jagged Edge teeth.
True about the teeth, but it seems to change gradually and it's also important what you want to do. I see more and more people on TV getting their teeth done, but for the normal people it's sometimes horrible what you see. Looks like a grenade exploded in their mouth.
But, if you want to go to the top celebrity-wise, you need good teeth.
(http://japannuke.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/normal09250707fj4.jpg)
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;) They are some of the nicest and most polite people I've ever met, but from some of the people on this thread I guess if you live there it's a lot different than visiting.
Isn't that the case everywhere?
Arab countries are said to be nice when you visit (and have enough money), but try to live there and keep you western standard, your wife wearing make-up, daughter running around belly-free and so on... you will get killed.
Also in the US, when you visit, everything is nice, but when i move there, don't speak the language, cannot read/write, totally misbehave everytime i get on the streets, i will have problems, don't you think so?
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Japanese have a sense of manners that you don't stare at people, Chinese don't have that.
When i see Chinese tourists in Tokyo, they stare at all the Gaijin, point their fingers and so on. Chinese have a funny culture, all other countries would say they are totally rude. They spit where they go, i once got out of a plane with some Chinese guys and the first thing they did was gather round a trashcan and spit into it several times making loud gargling noises... :-X :-X :-X
A lot of Chinese also have a totally different idea of hygiene....
Yes - totally and completely 100% true! My dad was half Japanese and half Chinese. As a kid I'd have both grandparents telling me independently - "Your grandmothers people are all barbarians- they have no idea about manners or behaviour" vs "Don't ever forget, everything your grandfathers country has, we had in China thousands of years before. They stole Chinese culture and bastardised it!".
And sweet Jesus - my mother is New Zealander of mixed European background, but essentially a farmers daughter - both of the grandparents had a hard time with my dad bringing a hairy smelly farmers child into the family!
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What i think is that manners are a purely cultural thing, one thing you find good mannered is considered bad behavior in another country.
When in Rome, do as the Romans, i live pretty good this way. What i can't stand is people making their own rules or foreigners behaving like they are at home, no matter where they are from and where they are at.
I would NEVER live in some arab country, because i know i can't live by their rules. Same goes for Africa.
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I love the Japanese :)
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What i think is that manners are a purely cultural thing, one thing you find good mannered is considered bad behavior in another country.
When in Rome, do as the Romans, i live pretty good this way. What i can't stand is people making their own rules or foreigners behaving like they are at home, no matter where they are from and where they are at.
I would NEVER live in some arab country, because i know i can't live by their rules. Same goes for Africa.
Americans are very open. We will let foreigners come here and criticized us to our faces, we even admit our faults. Hell, we even let people come here and blow stuff up? I mean, how tolerant is that?
I remember when I was at the YMCA as a kid during Summer Camp. We were all taking swimming lessons. This Middle Eastern lady comes in with her kid, and asks the instructor to give her son private lessons. The kid was in the water. The instructor says no, so they lady pulls her kid out of the water and they get back into her big body Benz...Private lesson at the "Y"?
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Americans are very open. We will let foreigners come here and criticized us to our faces, we even admit our faults. Hell, we even let people come here and blow stuff up? I mean, how tolerant is that?
I remember when I was at the YMCA as a kid during Summer Camp. We were all taking swimming lessons. This Middle Eastern lady comes in with her kid, and asks the instructor to give her son private lessons. The kid was in the water. The instructor says no, so they lady pulls her kid out of the water and they get back into her big body Benz...Private lesson at the "Y"?
Same in Europe.
What the west should learn from Asia is that these people are very friendly and polite, but also proud and they don't let any foreigner kick their asses around and tell them how to live their lives.
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Same in Europe.
What the west should learn from Asia is that these people are very friendly and polite, but also proud and they don't let any foreigner kick their asses around and tell them how to live their lives.
Unless you drop a couple balls on them...then they make cars and electronics that are better than yours...
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I love the Japanese :)
too asian for my liking...
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Yes, but this seems to be the case.
Japanese don't see themselves as Asians, they are Japanese. Hard to explain.
That would explain why they seem to have had no problem raping and ramming katana blades up defenceless Korean and Chinese women's vaginas...oh wait, that doesn't explain it. Say what you want about Germany and yes, they overdid the Vergangenheitsbewaeltigu ng thing but at least it was acknowledged that there was wrongdoing; the Japanese seem so out of touch with reality that they refuse to admit that they committed murder, rape, mayhem and general suffering throughout Asia (especially China, Taiwan and Korea). I think when you begin to see yourself as something or someone completely different from other human beings, the potential for monstrosity is mutilplied x100. Just my take and yes I know Japanese don't do things like that today...(except in hentai and film....).
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BTW, I personally don't want to live in Korea ever again or (probably not) in Japan (only visited but I am too old to learn Japanese and their overcomplicated writing system) but I think there are still good things about these countries just like there is good stuff in every country. I do get tired of the fake ass smiles that Japanese use when talking to you (just be honest, you're in the UK, not in Japan) and when you understand a little about the culture then the fakeness is even more transparent....anyway, Sushi is a good thing and it comes from Japan....
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I've lived in Japan for about seven years now, and so far the positives still outweigh the negatives, at least for me. Yes, Japanese are "racist" in the sense that their viewpoint is "Japanese" and "everyone else." I have no problem wanting to keep a unique culture, but their inability to understand and accept even half Japanese or second generation Japanese who come from overseas is maddening at times. Many Japanese that I talk to are convinced racism doesn't exist in Japan, because their concept of racism is blacks getting lynched, burning crosses or Nazis throwing Jews in concentration camps. When I tell them that there is really only one race in Japan, it does give them pause for thought.
Having said all that, Japan is a great place to live, if you can accept a few cardinal rules. As a foreigner, you will never, ever, ever, ever be seen as Japanese, no matter how good your Japanese is, whether you marry and raise kids or get Japanese citizenship. This is not necessarily a bad thing, because on the flip side, the expectations that Japanese have of each other do not apply to us. I work in the school system, so I see first hand how Japanese essentially become Japanese. As someone who was not raised in this culture it seems illogical and ridiculous at times, but it's what made Japan what it is today.
The people who end up hating Japan are the foreigners who come here with certain expectations, or come here because they like manga and think they are fluent because they can say "kawaiiii!" Learning the language is a big bonus, it's definitely helped make my life a lot more convenient and fun. I live out in the country, where no one speaks English. On a personal level, like anywhere, Japanese are very capable of having strong friendships with foreigners. It just takes a bit longer to get over some preconceptions they have.
And I must admit I do have a soft spot for Japanese girls ;D.
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I've lived in Japan for about seven years now, and so far the positives still outweigh the negatives, at least for me. Yes, Japanese are "racist" in the sense that their viewpoint is "Japanese" and "everyone else." I have no problem wanting to keep a unique culture, but their inability to understand and accept even half Japanese or second generation Japanese who come from overseas is maddening at times. Many Japanese that I talk to are convinced racism doesn't exist in Japan, because their concept of racism is blacks getting lynched, burning crosses or Nazis throwing Jews in concentration camps. When I tell them that there is really only one race in Japan, it does give them pause for thought.
Having said all that, Japan is a great place to live, if you can accept a few cardinal rules. As a foreigner, you will never, ever, ever, ever be seen as Japanese, no matter how good your Japanese is, whether you marry and raise kids or get Japanese citizenship. This is not necessarily a bad thing, because on the flip side, the expectations that Japanese have of each other do not apply to us. I work in the school system, so I see first hand how Japanese essentially become Japanese. As someone who was not raised in this culture it seems illogical and ridiculous at times, but it's what made Japan what it is today.
The people who end up hating Japan are the foreigners who come here with certain expectations, or come here because they like manga and think they are fluent because they can say "kawaiiii!" Learning the language is a big bonus, it's definitely helped make my life a lot more convenient and fun. I live out in the country, where no one speaks English. On a personal level, like anywhere, Japanese are very capable of having strong friendships with foreigners. It just takes a bit longer to get over some preconceptions they have.
And I must admit I do have a soft spot for Japanese girls ;D.
One thing I don't like about the Japanese is the Tatemae fakeness...here in London I meet Japanese people and I know their smile is about as real as Santa Claus...I don't even want to talk to them because they are so fake. I mean, if you are in the West you can stop pretending you are nice and friendly to everyone because they are not in Japan anymore. I guess if you have ZERO clue about Japanese culture it is a nice thing but it just irks me...
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I've lived in Japan for about seven years now, and so far the positives still outweigh the negatives, at least for me. Yes, Japanese are "racist" in the sense that their viewpoint is "Japanese" and "everyone else." I have no problem wanting to keep a unique culture, but their inability to understand and accept even half Japanese or second generation Japanese who come from overseas is maddening at times. Many Japanese that I talk to are convinced racism doesn't exist in Japan, because their concept of racism is blacks getting lynched, burning crosses or Nazis throwing Jews in concentration camps. When I tell them that there is really only one race in Japan, it does give them pause for thought.
Having said all that, Japan is a great place to live, if you can accept a few cardinal rules. As a foreigner, you will never, ever, ever, ever be seen as Japanese, no matter how good your Japanese is, whether you marry and raise kids or get Japanese citizenship. This is not necessarily a bad thing, because on the flip side, the expectations that Japanese have of each other do not apply to us. I work in the school system, so I see first hand how Japanese essentially become Japanese. As someone who was not raised in this culture it seems illogical and ridiculous at times, but it's what made Japan what it is today.
The people who end up hating Japan are the foreigners who come here with certain expectations, or come here because they like manga and think they are fluent because they can say "kawaiiii!" Learning the language is a big bonus, it's definitely helped make my life a lot more convenient and fun. I live out in the country, where no one speaks English. On a personal level, like anywhere, Japanese are very capable of having strong friendships with foreigners. It just takes a bit longer to get over some preconceptions they have.
And I must admit I do have a soft spot for Japanese girls ;D.
BTW as you know some of the things the Japanese did were WORSE than anything the Nazis did...and they make up fake history and pretend it didn't happen. ::)
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Japan sounds a lot like germany in the 60s-80s.
There is enough work there til you die, coupled with some nice racism.
From my homeland , people would emigrate like mexicans in the us, to germany. they would work all day and all night, make a lot of money, buy nice cars, etc. but they could never buy a house or set up a family because they were always outsiders, or "auslanders".
since the liberal movement and opening up of the borders, many argue that germany's gone to shit. coupled with the european union's rape of it, it's a shadow of its former self.
japan seems to be still holding on. i applaud them for this. as long as they're not outright blowing people's heads off who aren't ninjas, it doesn't bother me.
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They said the Japanese are strict about keeping Japan Japanese, and that they believe bringing other ethnicities into their society raises crime rates, etc...
They've got laws on the book to make sure their society isn't invaded by "outsiders" (not just Blacks, Whites, and Hispanics, but even other Asians).
The reporter on the show (I think it was Vanguard) acted like this was an ignorant, racist policy. It seems to be working for Japan though?
Discuss...
I wish countries in Europe would adopt this policy.
It is amazing how other countries can enforce these laws but The United States won't. What is good for one, is good for all.
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yeah, japan is very racist and prejudice. There is discrimination against poor, dark-skin, outsiders, and tattooed people there. Or so i read. Haven't been there yet.
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sick fuckers there
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Do any asian females have bubble butts? I've heard that it's possible with regards to thai females
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hai dozo.
hoshii ne?
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One thing I don't like about the Japanese is the Tatemae fakeness...here in London I meet Japanese people and I know their smile is about as real as Santa Claus...I don't even want to talk to them because they are so fake. I mean, if you are in the West you can stop pretending you are nice and friendly to everyone because they are not in Japan anymore. I guess if you have ZERO clue about Japanese culture it is a nice thing but it just irks me...
It's their way of saying "Fuck you", if you meet them with a private background and get "tatemae".
I love tatemae, it means that the service is always great, you can focus on the subject in business and don't have to fuck around with annoyed shop clerks or people messing up my day because they have a shitty day.
If i meet people in private life and they use tatemae on me i know that they don't want to talk to me now. Do it once, is fine, do it twice, and i know where i am at.
Much easier than the American mentality where you meet a person for the first time, call them by their first name, exchange private infos about the family and invite them for christmas yet you give a fuck about them. THAT is tatemae at it's best, LOL.
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Yes, but this seems to be the case.
Japanese don't see themselves as Asians, they are Japanese. Hard to explain.
they are mongoloids like the chinese, just good old fashioned racism at work there
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sick whale killers these japs
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Plane went down last week over Tokyo carrying 200 Japanese....fucking broke my heart it did.......six empty seats.
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Honne and tatamae are a weird thing. I'm a bit of a Japanophile but there are still some things I don't understand. I had a lot of cool-as-fuck Japanese exchange students growing up and even when I was younger I noticed this too. They suppress a lot of their feelings and put on a show. Most of the exchange students were pretty cool but some were pretty two-faced. I didn't understand too much about it at the time because I was a lot younger.
I still think the Japanese are pretty cool. If you're not a douche bag then they will come to accept you after a while. Although a lot of my close Japanese friends say they'll use tatamae all the time because it's just easier. I guess it has it's ups and downs. My Japanese friends always tell me that when my wife and I figure our shit out we should really move to Japan for a few years. If I could find a job out there which made a lot of money I'd sell our house and fly the fuck out there ASAP.
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Honne and tatamae are a weird thing. I'm a bit of a Japanophile but there are still some things I don't understand. I had a lot of cool-as-fuck Japanese exchange students growing up and even when I was younger I noticed this too. They suppress a lot of their feelings and put on a show. Most of the exchange students were pretty cool but some were pretty two-faced. I didn't understand too much about it at the time because I was a lot younger.
I still think the Japanese are pretty cool. If you're not a douche bag then they will come to accept you after a while. Although a lot of my close Japanese friends say they'll use tatamae all the time because it's just easier. I guess it has it's ups and downs. My Japanese friends always tell me that when my wife and I figure our shit out we should really move to Japan for a few years. If I could find a job out there which made a lot of money I'd sell our house and fly the fuck out there ASAP.
Japan's job market is in the shitter. Move to china.
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Honne and tatamae are a weird thing. I'm a bit of a Japanophile but there are still some things I don't understand. I had a lot of cool-as-fuck Japanese exchange students growing up and even when I was younger I noticed this too. They suppress a lot of their feelings and put on a show. Most of the exchange students were pretty cool but some were pretty two-faced. I didn't understand too much about it at the time because I was a lot younger.
I still think the Japanese are pretty cool. If you're not a douche bag then they will come to accept you after a while. Although a lot of my close Japanese friends say they'll use tatamae all the time because it's just easier. I guess it has it's ups and downs. My Japanese friends always tell me that when my wife and I figure our shit out we should really move to Japan for a few years. If I could find a job out there which made a lot of money I'd sell our house and fly the fuck out there ASAP.
I don't get the complaints about being "two-faced"...
To me, it is horrible if people act like they feel all the time. For example in Germany, you have a great day yourself, go to a store and the guy in the store has a shitty day, so he shows you that he is pissed off because of something, that you are an asshole to him, that he gives a shit about what you want to buy or not, that he hates his job and so on.
When i wanted to buy a suit for my wedding, i got really pissed off because me and my wife went to 5 different stores, and in 4 of them the service was so fucking bad that we left after 5 minutes.
We got married in Germany and in Japan.
When you have wedding preparation in Japan, everybody is nice to you, congratulates, shows that he is happy for you. They may have a bad day, but they will never show and rather share your own happiness.
Tatemae in private life just means "I don't want to talk about it now, i don't want to bother you with it". The biggest problem is that a lot of people have no one to talk to about their problems, hence the high suicide rate.