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Title: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 06:06:30 AM


 As the saying says - keep your friends close and your enemies closer!!! Right Huge Chaves??? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 02, 2010, 08:12:52 AM
Did you watch the whole video comrade?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 08:16:54 AM
Did you watch the whole video comrade?

 You were kicked off! One question - same answer!
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 02, 2010, 08:20:17 AM
Kicked off what?


Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: loco on December 02, 2010, 08:44:46 AM
The US should donate tons of WD-40 to Russia.  Russia's military equipment is kinda rusty.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 10:27:28 AM
Kicked off what?




 Yankee go home! Ozmo am not trying to start wars but we should be friends, aren't we? Take it easy and everything will be alright.
 Props to you, as a mod you take it easy, props....
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: dario73 on December 02, 2010, 10:45:10 AM
Yankee go home! Ozmo am not trying to start wars but we should be friends, aren't we? Take it easy and everything will be alright.
 Props to you, as a mod you take it easy, props....

You lost the Cold War.  There is another Cold War brewing and you will lose that one also.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 10:53:41 AM
You lost the Cold War.  There is another Cold War brewing and you will lose that one also.

 We all love America!!! Hallelujah
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: dario73 on December 02, 2010, 11:29:23 AM
We all love America!!! Hallelujah

You should. Without it planet earth would be absolute garbage.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 12:02:30 PM
You should. Without it planet earth would be absolute garbage.

 Well, your garbage post is irrelevant because I would tear you apart had we been face to face, know who you're talking to, I'm Russian...
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 02, 2010, 12:26:37 PM
Yankee go home! Ozmo am not trying to start wars but we should be friends, aren't we? Take it easy and everything will be alright.
 Props to you, as a mod you take it easy, props....
Answer the question.....kicked off what?


And did you really watch the vid comrade?   :)
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: loco on December 02, 2010, 01:36:37 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 08:39:47 PM
Answer the question.....kicked off what?


And did you really watch the vid comrade?   :)

 We kicked you in the ass and let you run away! :P I loved your panic on the ship!!!
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 02, 2010, 08:53:04 PM
Kicked off what?



What the fuck is he talking about?  i honestly can't understand his stupid but funny free online translator comments.  Kicked?  lol...
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 02, 2010, 08:54:44 PM
We kicked you in the ass and let you run away! :P I loved your panic on the ship!!!
lol ::)  Did you read that on the wall in some slum?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 08:56:08 PM
What the fuck is he talking about?  i honestly can't understand his stupid but funny free online translator comments.  Kicked?  lol...


 Online translator translates as it translates, I can't help it Humor Chaves...btw Moscow never sleeps!
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 02, 2010, 09:08:59 PM
English guy, do you speak it?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 09:11:11 PM
English ####, do you speak it?

 What do you mean English? You better learn Chinese and Russian! Leave English to Great Britain. lol'z ehhh
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Hereford on December 02, 2010, 09:20:37 PM
oh jeez... not this russian homo military shit again.

Has Russian ever, and I mean EVER, won a battle where the odds were even somewhat even?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 09:20:53 PM
 btw Huge Chaves, in cold war era it was something like this - US produced 100 rockets and we produced 10 installed them on subs and drove them right at your face 200 miles or something off of your coasts

 sorry can't stop laughing...
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: tonymctones on December 02, 2010, 09:21:56 PM
yupppp I mean who would quiver at the sight of these fairies?

LMFAO

Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Fury on December 02, 2010, 09:23:25 PM
There's a reason the Russians get their soldiers liquored up before battle and it has nothing to do with their fighting prowess. I'll give mindspin props for his consistency with this gimmick. Still trying too hard, though.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 09:27:37 PM
 Yeah the Russian soldiers are drunk and their subs are rusty and outdated, that's why no one, no fucking one is gonna mess with Russians, no one! Yeah got it!
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: tonymctones on December 02, 2010, 09:36:11 PM
Yeah the Russian soldiers are drunk and their subs are rusty and outdated, that's why no one, no fucking one is gonna mess with Russians, no one! Yeah got it!
lol sorry big boy the russians know there place in this world and its behind the US with all the other bottom bitches...
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: MB_722 on December 02, 2010, 09:37:29 PM
you're a shitty gimmick

Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 09:42:39 PM
you're a shitty gimmick




hahahaha great clip thanks I loved that.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 09:43:37 PM
lol sorry big boy the russians know there place in this world and its behind the US with all the other bottom bitches...

  the russians know there place ????????????? learn English and then get back to me one more time
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 02, 2010, 09:43:54 PM
We kicked you in the ass and let you run away! :P I loved your panic on the ship!!!
Looks more like you kissed our ass.


   Did you watch the video or did you use a Russian video translator?
 ;D
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Cy Tolliver on December 02, 2010, 10:01:21 PM
yupppp I mean who would quiver at the sight of these fairies?

LMFAO



This is funny, I remember asking my grandfather about the Russian soldiers he encountered in WWII...

He said "The best way to describe them would be uncouth"..

 ;D
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 10:26:48 PM
This is funny, I remember asking my grandfather about the Russian soldiers he encountered in WWII...

He said "The best way to describe them would be uncouth"..

 ;D

 Americans in WW2? lol The hardest battle the Americans have ever battled was in 1999 in Yugoslavia or something.
 I was asking my grandfather about the American soldier he encountered in WW2 as well and he said the best way to describe them would be - incapable....
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 02, 2010, 10:29:51 PM
Looks more like you kissed our ass.


 Never knew that kicking the American ass is now called - kissing it.  :( :-*
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: dario73 on December 03, 2010, 05:58:00 AM
Well, your garbage post is irrelevant because I would tear you apart had we been face to face, know who you're talking to, I'm Russian...

LOL!!! You are one funny retard.

If my garbage post is irrelevant why did you reply? Russia is garbage. Why would anyone be proud of that sewer?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: loco on December 03, 2010, 06:06:12 AM
Russia is now run by the mob, and Moscow has one of the highest murder rates in the world.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: dario73 on December 03, 2010, 06:08:23 AM
Russia is now run by the mob, and Moscow has one of the highest murder rates in the world.

Careful. The OP is Russian which automatically makes him a bad ass who will tear you apart.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: loco on December 03, 2010, 06:12:32 AM
Careful. The OP is Russian which automatically makes him a bad ass who will tear you apart.

How's he gonna get to me, on a rusty Russian sub?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: dario73 on December 03, 2010, 06:14:32 AM
LOL. He might just swim across the ocean. You know those Russians. They are all that strong and unyielding.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Fury on December 03, 2010, 06:15:21 AM
Careful. The OP is Russian which automatically makes him a bad ass who will tear you apart.

I thought that automatically makes him more likely to be an alcoholic heroin addict who beats up gays with 20:1 odds.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 03, 2010, 06:54:30 AM
Russia is now run by the mob, and Moscow has one of the highest murder rates in the world.

 If Russia is run by the mob, then US is run by retards?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 03, 2010, 06:59:14 AM
 Only retards would let the US fall down so low so everyone is taking them for irrelevant... ;D American navy is irrelevant, the video has proved it.... ;D
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 03, 2010, 07:09:42 AM
That US ship is the USS Caron DD-970 which was rammed in the black sea by Mirka II class frigate. The Russians claimed the Caron was in their territorial waters, and I guess they decided it was a good idea to pull a crazy ivan and ram. How do I know this, well I guy I work with was on the Caron when this happened.

Beside this happened in 1998, for your information the Caron was retied and used as target practice, while I bet that Mirka II is still in service, if it hasn't rusted away.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 03, 2010, 07:22:00 AM
Never knew that kicking the American ass is now called - kissing it.  :( :-*
If thats what Russians call kicking ass no wonder they lost the cold war where they really got their ass kicked with out a shot fired at them.     Hahahaah
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 03, 2010, 11:20:55 AM
If thats what Russians call kicking ass no wonder they lost the cold war where they really got their ass kicked with out a shot fired at them.     Hahahaah

 Let's put it to rest. I will agree the Russians lost the cold war without a shot fired at us and you should agree on America has lost it's the superpower status and most likely will never ever regain it again! Jesus why do I even speak to you about the obvious things. You suck dick, we should be friends ;D ;D!
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Fury on December 03, 2010, 11:25:04 AM
Let's put it to rest. I will agree the Russians lost the cold war without a shot fired at us and you should agree on America has lost it's the superpower status and most likely will never ever regain it again! Jesus why do I even speak to you about the obvious things. You suck dick, we should be friends ;D ;D!

Lost what? We're the most powerful country on Earth. There isn't a single country that can rival us militarily.

Thanks for playing, mindspin.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 03, 2010, 11:32:37 AM
Let's put it to rest. I will agree the Russians lost the cold war without a shot fired at us and you should agree on America has lost it's the superpower status and most likely will never ever regain it again! Jesus why do I even speak to you about the obvious things. You suck dick, we should be friends ;D ;D!
You wish I sucked dick so we could be friends.  :D

Did you finally watch the whole video? Is that why you want to put it to rest?  We can't be challenged on land air or sea.

However your country fell apart without even firing a single shot.  You guys are worse then the French.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: loco on December 03, 2010, 11:37:49 AM
You suck dick, we should be friends ;D ;D!

 ???
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 03, 2010, 01:05:57 PM
You wish I sucked dick so we could be friends.  :D

Did you finally watch the whole video? Is that why you want to put it to rest?  We can't be challenged on land air or sea.

However your country fell apart without even firing a single shot.  You guys are worse then the French.

 Soviet Union which fell apart was not a country, Russia is. Hope this helps

 You compare Russia to France? Who did vote for you to be a moderator on political issues board??? Man I doubt you're legit! The Russians kicked French ass in 1812 (Napoleon Idiot!) you're a bit stupid Yankee, and will kick American ass in 2012? Got it? So we're friends? :P

Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 03, 2010, 01:16:09 PM
Soviet Union which fell apart was not a country, Russia is. Hope this helps

 You compare Russia to France? Who did vote for you to be a moderator on political issues board??? Man I doubt you're legit! The Russians kicked French ass in 1812 (Napoleon Idiot!) you're a bit stupid Yankee, and will kick American ass in 2012? Got it? So we're friends? :P



Is that how you make your self feel better about what happen to the Soviet Union?  Hahahaha. Suckers. 

I compared Russia to France because France surrendered after just one month of war.  Russia fell apart without even one shot fired.  So you are right, France is much better than Russia in that case.  And the Russians didn't kick the Frances ass in 1812, the winter did.  Which is about the only thing Russia does good.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 03, 2010, 01:18:33 PM
Riddle me this:

How many shots does it take to make Russia fall apart?





Answer:  ZERO



Hahahhahahahahahaah



Let's have another shot of vodka comrade!
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 03, 2010, 01:52:39 PM
Is that how you make your self feel better about what happen to the Soviet Union?  Hahahaha. Suckers. 

I compared Russia to France because France surrendered after just one month of war.  Russia fell apart without even one shot fired.  So you are right, France is much better than Russia in that case.  And the Russians didn't kick the Frances ass in 1812, the winter did.  Which is about the only thing Russia does good.

 Russia hasn't fallen apart as of yet, the Soviet Union did. Russia is unbeatable! No China, no NATO, no one is going to mess with the Russians. I'm proud to have been Russian.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 03, 2010, 01:55:10 PM
Riddle me this:

How many shots does it take to make Russia fall apart?





Answer:  ZERO



Hahahhahahahahahaah



Let's have another shot of vodka comrade!


 As the folk's saying says in Russia - Vodka is an enemy! Russian people are not afraid of the enemy and fighting him every day! ;D       

 The US are the most obese nation? Shall I post a couple of pics? :P
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 03, 2010, 02:00:40 PM

 As the folk's saying says in Russia - Vodka is an enemy! Russian people are not afraid of the enemy and fighting him every day! ;D       

 The US are the most obese nation? Shall I post a couple of pics? :P
So a bunch of fat people made the soviet union dissolve with out a shot?

Hahahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 03, 2010, 02:01:27 PM
Russia hasn't fallen apart as of yet, the Soviet Union did. Russia is unbeatable! No China, no NATO, no one is going to mess with the Russians. I'm proud to have been Russian.

Russia is the mess that was left over.


You live in Moscow?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: andreisdaman on December 03, 2010, 03:46:30 PM
You should. Without it planet earth would be absolute garbage.


thank you
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: andreisdaman on December 03, 2010, 03:47:18 PM
oh jeez... not this russian homo military shit again.

Has Russian ever, and I mean EVER, won a battle where the odds were even somewhat even?

NOPE
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: andreisdaman on December 03, 2010, 03:51:57 PM
Is that how you make your self feel better about what happen to the Soviet Union?  Hahahaha. Suckers. 

I compared Russia to France because France surrendered after just one month of war.  Russia fell apart without even one shot fired.  So you are right, France is much better than Russia in that case.  And the Russians didn't kick the Frances ass in 1812, the winter did.  Which is about the only thing Russia does good.

This is true..Russia needed the weather to beat Napoleon and Hitler
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 12:28:09 AM
 If it was the weather help to beat Napoleon and Hitler then it's the will of the God! Russia in 2050 is huge country. No fucking one would dare to stop us expand our might, I wouldn't even regret if we stay the same! No China, no NATO, absolutely no one. WTF is Germany, UK or Italy. We have Russian regions bigger than those countries! Japan has almost as much population as Russia but they forced to live so packed! You don't even have to nuke them if whatsoever, nuke the ocean near and Japan will be destroyed by tsunami. Lol guys I'm talking fucking serious and don't kid we can launch a bucket with nails in space and it will destroy all your multi million American sputniks whatever. Talking about the financial odds? a bucket with nails or two is cheap >:(  
 Russia in 2050! A mess that was left over. Guys with small dicks will be making all excuses to appear their are worth! I love to be Russian. Can't wait to kick American ass in 2012! ;)
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 12:35:43 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Cy Tolliver on December 04, 2010, 12:48:39 AM
;D

Your right, it is sad that Russians use old splintered pieces of wood against bears.  In the United States we use rifles...

 :-\
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 04, 2010, 12:53:58 AM
;D
Are you fucking retarded, did you see the size of the American ship?  Did you see the size of the russian ship?  Did you not see the Americans toying with the Russians in that video?  Did you not see the russians almost crash into the American ship several times when the American ship kicked it up a notch?  Do you have any concept at all of what it takes to propell a ship that large?  And yet your stupid smaller russian ship could not keep up?  That last try, they missed hitting the American ship by a few feet.  If it had hit, your stupid ship would have been at the bottom of the ocean while the American ship would have went to port for repairs--fact.  Now shut your stupid retarded gimmick mouth.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 04, 2010, 01:02:17 AM
i know you're clueless onlyone, so I'll explain the video for  you.  The Russian ship is trying to rush up by the American ship and when the American ship kicks it up a notch the Russian ship is left drawn into their wake and almost crashes into the American ship's stern.  This is nothing to brag about, it makes you look like complete asses.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 04, 2010, 01:04:57 AM
by the way, I don't think there is anything wrong with you guys being prowd of your nation and all that.... I got nothing against that...  Thats all good...  Just don't make up BS stories that didn't happen...

And don't forget, most of what you guys have is via spying on us.  Same with China...  85% of China and Russian military progress is based on intell stolen from America. ;)
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 01:15:05 AM
Are you fucking retarded, did you see the size of the American ship?  Did you see the size of the russian ship?  Did you not see the Americans toying with the Russians in that video?  Did you not see the russians almost crash into the American ship several times when the American ship kicked it up a notch?  Do you have any concept at all of what it takes to propell a ship that large?  And yet your stupid smaller russian ship could not keep up?  That last try, they missed hitting the American ship by a few feet.  If it had hit, your stupid ship would have been at the bottom of the ocean while the American ship would have went to port for repairs--fact.  Now shut your stupid retarded gimmick mouth.

 Your description would be right if not the panic on American ship i.e. watch out, what the hell etc etc
 Russian ship is much smaller but faster so we actually could stand in front of you and you wouldn't have a chance as you say propel that large ship of yours. We could have made that and wind up that your large ship would have driven into small of ours and then push the button there is no America and no getbig...
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 01:16:01 AM
by the way, I don't think there is anything wrong with you guys being prowd of your nation and all that.... I got nothing against that...  Thats all good...  Just don't make up BS stories that didn't happen...

And don't forget, most of what you guys have is via spying on us.  Same with China...  85% of China and Russian military progress is based on intell stolen from America. ;)

 85 % people working on Intell are Russians! Hope this helps lol
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 04, 2010, 01:17:39 AM
85 % people working on Intell are Russians! Hope this helps lol
you just stupidly made my case, thanks... ;)
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Cy Tolliver on December 04, 2010, 01:42:50 AM
What's the guy on the video mean when he says "notice the crewmen top side in life jackets"?

 ???
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 04, 2010, 01:42:52 AM
you just stupidly made my case, thanks... ;)
what's wrong, that doesn't run through the online translator very well?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Cy Tolliver on December 04, 2010, 01:51:38 AM
Just looked it up, the incident occurred off the Crimean peninsula.  Russia's backyard, lol



Two Soviet warships bump two U.S. navy vessels in waters claimed by the Soviet Union. The incident was an indication that even though the Cold War was slowly coming to a close, old tensions and animosities remained unabated.

The incident between the ships took place in the Black Sea, off the Crimean peninsula. The American destroyer Caron and cruiser Yorktown were operating within the 12-mile territorial limit claimed by the Soviet Union. They were challenged by a Soviet frigate and destroyer and told to leave the waters. Then, according to a Navy spokesman, the Soviet ships "shouldered" the U.S. ships out of the way, bumping them slightly. There was no exchange of gunfire, and the American ships eventually departed from the area. There was no serious damage to either U.S. vessel or any injuries.

In many ways, the incident was an unnecessarily provocative action by the United States. For many years, the United States had challenged the Russian claim of a 12-mile territorial limit in the waters off the Crimean peninsula. However, the timing and the use of the Caron in this particular operation made this a rather foolish act. The United States and the Soviet Union were engaged in negotiations to limit long-range nuclear weapons, and in December 1987, the important INF Treaty, by which both the United States and the Soviet Union agreed to eliminate their medium-range nuclear missiles in Europe, had been signed. The Caron was well known as an intelligence gathering vessel and its appearance in waters claimed by the Soviets would be seen as suspicious at best. For their part, the Soviets probably overreacted. American ships regularly moved through the area and were usually unchallenged. Perhaps the Soviet military felt a message should be sent that Russia, which was experiencing severe economic and political problems, was still a nation to be taken seriously as a major military power.


http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/russian-ships-bump-us-destroyer-and-cruiser
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on December 04, 2010, 01:54:19 AM
Lost what? We're the most powerful country on Earth. There isn't a single country that can rival us militarily.

Thanks for playing, mindspin.
and still you cant beat a couple of talibans with old soviet wepons  ::)
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Cy Tolliver on December 04, 2010, 01:57:55 AM
and still you cant beat a couple of talibans with old soviet wepons  ::)

We've done a better job than the Russians ever did.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 04, 2010, 02:00:01 AM
Just looked it up, the incident occurred off the Crimean peninsula.  Russia's backyard, lol



Two Soviet warships bump two U.S. navy vessels in waters claimed by the Soviet Union. The incident was an indication that even though the Cold War was slowly coming to a close, old tensions and animosities remained unabated.

The incident between the ships took place in the Black Sea, off the Crimean peninsula. The American destroyer Caron and cruiser Yorktown were operating within the 12-mile territorial limit claimed by the Soviet Union. They were challenged by a Soviet frigate and destroyer and told to leave the waters. Then, according to a Navy spokesman, the Soviet ships "shouldered" the U.S. ships out of the way, bumping them slightly. There was no exchange of gunfire, and the American ships eventually departed from the area. There was no serious damage to either U.S. vessel or any injuries.

In many ways, the incident was an unnecessarily provocative action by the United States. For many years, the United States had challenged the Russian claim of a 12-mile territorial limit in the waters off the Crimean peninsula. However, the timing and the use of the Caron in this particular operation made this a rather foolish act. The United States and the Soviet Union were engaged in negotiations to limit long-range nuclear weapons, and in December 1987, the important INF Treaty, by which both the United States and the Soviet Union agreed to eliminate their medium-range nuclear missiles in Europe, had been signed. The Caron was well known as an intelligence gathering vessel and its appearance in waters claimed by the Soviets would be seen as suspicious at best. For their part, the Soviets probably overreacted. American ships regularly moved through the area and were usually unchallenged. Perhaps the Soviet military felt a message should be sent that Russia, which was experiencing severe economic and political problems, was still a nation to be taken seriously as a major military power.


http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/russian-ships-bump-us-destroyer-and-cruiser
good post.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on December 04, 2010, 02:01:39 AM
We've done a better job than the Russians ever did.
true
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 04, 2010, 03:05:48 AM
what a gay retarded thread...
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 03:22:02 AM
what's wrong, that doesn't run through the online translator very well?

 it's only a beginning bud, soon the Russians will leave Intel and that's it. No Russians in Intel, Microsoft etc. There is no future for the US. ;D You better try to be friendly to us! ;)
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 04, 2010, 04:12:27 AM
it's only a beginning bud, soon the Russians will leave Intel and that's it. No Russians in Intel, Microsoft etc. There is no future for the US. ;D You better try to be friendly to us! ;)
LOL, WHAT?

Try typing into the translator in reverse... maybe standing on your head with a bottle of vodka up your ass...  I'd have a better chance at understanding your stupid posts....
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 04:15:20 AM
LOL, WHAT?

Try typing into the translator in reverse... maybe standing on your head with a bottle of vodka up your ass...  I'd have a better chance at understanding your stupid posts....

 The language you can speak of is a trap my friend! I congratulate you, that is why we always win! Learn Russian I told ya! Kiss my ass! ;D
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 04, 2010, 05:07:13 AM
Yeah you must be proud, Russia forcibly takes over eastern Europe and enslaves its inhabitants, kill off what 30 million Ukranains. Runs a police state for 50 years and finally collapses. I would  say you have more than enough to worry about with the surrounding nations that you fucked for the last 50 years.
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Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 08:09:54 AM
Yeah you must be proud, Russia forcibly takes over eastern Europe and enslaves its inhabitants, kill off what 30 million Ukranains. Runs a police state for 50 years and finally collapses. I would  say you have more than enough to worry about with the surrounding nations that you fucked for the last 50 years.

 There are only 2 powerful states left it's China and Russia. We have a Kazan word in Russian language. You wouldn't have been proud if I translate it to you fella....Kazan hahahahaah  :-*
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 04, 2010, 08:31:42 AM
There are only 2 powerful states left it's China and Russia. We have a Kazan word in Russian language. You wouldn't have been proud if I translate it to you fella....Kazan hahahahaah  :-*


Believe whatever the pulitburo tells you like a good commie. Do you really think I care what Kazan means in russian?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 09:14:18 AM

Believe whatever the pulitburo tells you like a good commie. Do you really think I care what Kazan means in russian?

 Pulitburo? You failed at Russian! You would care buddy cause if you'd meet with Russians they would call you accordingly!
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 04, 2010, 09:36:53 AM
The language you can speak of is a trap my friend! I congratulate you, that is why we always win! Learn Russian I told ya! Kiss my ass! ;D

What have you ever won at?
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Post by: Dos Equis on December 04, 2010, 10:00:12 AM
What have you ever won at?

Making better vodka?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 10:20:54 AM
What have you ever won at?

 There are emerging super powers i.e. China and Russia and there are decaying and the only one it's the US!!! and thank God the Soviet Union have fallen apart or we made it intentionally but now it's Russia and all those former soviet republics still suck Russian dick, perfect!!!

 What's the future of the US?
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Post by: Fury on December 04, 2010, 10:36:30 AM
There are emerging super powers i.e. China and Russia and there are decaying and the only one it's the US!!! and thank God the Soviet Union have fallen apart or we made it intentionally but now it's Russia and all those former soviet republics still suck Russian dick, perfect!!!

 What's the future of the US?

Hahaha, so Russia is relegated back to "emerging superpower" status? Weren't they already a super power and failed horribly at it? LOL.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 10:51:25 AM
Hahaha, so Russia is relegated back to "emerging superpower" status? Weren't they already a super power and failed horribly at it? LOL.

 Mongols were a superpower or something and failed horribly at it, get your facts straight! Where is Mongolia now? That's the future of the US as well...
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 10:53:31 AM
They lived in peace, not long ago
A mighty Indian tribe
But the winds of change,
Have made them realize, that the promises were lies.

The white man's greed, in search of gold
Made the nation bleed
They had lost their faith
And now they hade to learn
There was no place to return
Nowhere they could turn.

Cherokee - marching on the trail of tears.

They were driven hard, across the plains
And walked for many moons
Cause the winds of change,
Had made them realize, that the promises were lies.

So much to bear, all that pain
Left them in despair
They had lost their faith
And now they hade to learn
There was no place to return
Nowhere they could turn.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 04, 2010, 11:38:30 AM
Pulitburo? You failed at Russian! You would care buddy cause if you'd meet with Russians they would call you accordingly!

What?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 11:40:34 AM
What?

 There is no such word in Russian as Pulitburo.

 What?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 04, 2010, 12:53:57 PM
Политбюро ЦК КПСС, Politbyuro TsK KPSS, better?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 01:10:32 PM
Политбюро ЦК КПСС, Politbyuro TsK KPSS, better?

 Yeah! That's correct! There is no Politbyuro no more though! What planet you live on Kazan?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 04, 2010, 01:40:07 PM
Yeah! That's correct! There is no Politbyuro no more though! What planet you live on Kazan?

Maybe not in name, hell Putin was KGB and he still runs your government, that my tell you something.
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Post by: Cy Tolliver on December 04, 2010, 07:58:40 PM
LOL, WHAT?

Try typing into the translator in reverse... maybe standing on your head with a bottle of vodka up your ass...  I'd have a better chance at understanding your stupid posts....

fucking hilarious!!!
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 11:50:54 PM
Maybe not in name, hell Putin was KGB and he still runs your government, that my tell you something.

 Hah.



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Post by: theonlyone on December 04, 2010, 11:59:59 PM


worlds most admired leader today


Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Cy Tolliver on December 05, 2010, 01:06:52 AM


worlds most admired leader today




Notice the 1970's era phone he's talking on around 0:52... lol
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Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 05, 2010, 01:12:03 AM
 :-X

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Post by: Cy Tolliver on December 05, 2010, 01:16:13 AM
So that's how it is in Russia....  :-X
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 02:01:33 AM
So that's how it is in Russia....  :-X

So that's how it is in US?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Cy Tolliver on December 05, 2010, 02:33:54 AM
So that's how it is in US?


I'll take a moron president over a pedophile "president" any day!!!  :o
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 05:59:24 AM
I'll take a moron president over a pedophile "president" any day!!!  :o

 No body in sane mind would have called Putin a pedophile, even top high ranked US politicians, no one got balls for doing it. Nobody in the world! As for you, you're just irrelevant, if you die today, Putin will not even know... ;D




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Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 05, 2010, 06:51:19 AM
Just look at the precision of the russian swat team, glad they will be there for you if you are ever on a hijacked bus ::) Colateral damage you say? Whats that?

Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 07:13:46 AM
Just look at the precision of the russian swat team, glad they will be there for you if you are ever on a hijacked bus ::) Colateral damage you say? Whats that?



 You wouldn't have fucked with Russians

Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 05, 2010, 07:26:40 AM
And if you have a brain in your head you wouldn't fuck with Americans
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 07:30:04 AM
And if you have a brain in your head you wouldn't fuck with Americans
Russia is not afraid of or scared of America! It's planned and known that you will be dying slowly and agonizing death, without one shot fired at you! Hello Ozmo))))) ;D
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 05, 2010, 08:21:13 AM
Russia is not afraid of or scared of America! It's planned and known that you will be dying slowly and agonizing death, without one shot fired at you! Hello Ozmo))))) ;D


All we have to do is wait you goofy fuckers out, since 99% of the population has cirrhosis of the liver, it won't be long.

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Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 08:41:41 AM

All we have to do is wait you goofy fuckers out, since 99% of the population has cirrhosis of the liver, it won't be long.

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 What did you say? Can you repeat?
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Post by: Skip8282 on December 05, 2010, 09:12:49 AM
Russia is not afraid of or scared of America! It's planned and known that you will be dying slowly and agonizing death, without one shot fired at you! Hello Ozmo))))) ;D



You morons have been claiming this for decades, maybe longer.  When's it going to happen?  Oh, that's right..."someday".  ::)


Too bad you'll be long dead by then, haha.

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Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 09:40:58 AM


You morons have been claiming this for decades, maybe longer.  When's it going to happen?  Oh, that's right..."someday".  ::)


Too bad you'll be long dead by then, haha.



 Hi! Do you know that we can break this thing apart by just 1 torpedo? This thing is built for small countries like Georgia but would be useless against Russians.

 Don't scare at US, we won't touch you, you fall apart without any exterior help, without one shot fired at you as Ozmo says ;D
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Post by: OzmO on December 05, 2010, 10:16:40 AM
Quiz:

Which super military power fell apart with out a single shot fired?


Answer:  Russia!



Theonlyone's response:  2050.
Followed by some pic of  a lame map.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 05, 2010, 10:25:09 AM
Let's be realistic.....   Russia will be a Chinese vassal by 2050
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Post by: Hereford on December 05, 2010, 10:31:09 AM
No joke. Russia will be a chinese colony in the future.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Skip8282 on December 05, 2010, 10:31:54 AM
Hi! Do you know that we can break this thing apart by just 1 torpedo? This thing is built for small countries like Georgia but would be useless against Russians.

 Don't scare at US, we won't touch you, you fall apart without any exterior help, without one shot fired at you as Ozmo says ;D


When?  Oh..."someday".  hahahahaha  Loser.

Are you going to get us with your advanced sub shown below?

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Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 10:42:01 AM
 


 I could post 100 more videos yawn
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Post by: OzmO on December 05, 2010, 10:46:28 AM
Yeah they are setting you up, what do you think happens when one partner gets much stronger than the other?

SUCKERS.....hahahahahaha hh

We all know Russia will likely split apart some more.  It's in their history.  That's what they do, the only Thing they can do well is manufacture and drink vodka.  Other than that they screw everything else up and are are worthless.  

How many shots does it take to defeat russia?  

Answer:  zero
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 11:16:23 AM
Yeah they are setting you up, what do you think happens when one partner gets much stronger than the other?

SUCKERS.....hahahahahaha hh

We all know Russia will likely split apart some more.  It's in their history.  That's what they do, the only Thing they can do well is manufacture and drink vodka.  Other than that they screw everything else up and are are worthless.  

How many shots does it take to defeat russia?  

Answer:  zero

 Russia is stronger overall than China. The quantity doesn't mean shit. The quality does. China is facing big problems as of now, they need space, they can't do shit to Russia and Russia knows it, we have allied to counterbalance the west but it's just a beginning, cause the things are not working too well for you and what most importantly you will face even bigger problems. The overall picture can change literally in 10 years. The US is irrelevant my friend. You know why?


Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 05, 2010, 11:43:45 AM
Russia is just a larger version of the banana republic, 1% has all the money, everyone else just gets by. Maybe patriotism will sustain for awhile, but it doesn't buy food and vodka
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 11:55:52 AM
Russia is just a larger version of the banana republic, 1% has all the money, everyone else just gets by. Maybe patriotism will sustain for awhile, but it doesn't buy food and vodka

 Bring us democracy! To us and China! We are waiting for the US bring the democracy as you did to Iraq!
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 12:11:13 PM
 Russia and China could have cared less for the US. We are the countries with the long history and you're not legit. We bring war on your land if needed. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 12:15:23 PM
 Forgot to specify we bring on an economic and financial war on your soil, step by step
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 05, 2010, 12:39:36 PM
Bring us democracy! To us and China! We are waiting for the US bring the democracy as you did to Iraq!

Why? That's your job as a russian, you want democracy fight for it.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 05, 2010, 12:40:42 PM
Russia and China could have cared less for the US. We are the countries with the long history and you're not legit. We bring war on your land if needed. ;D ;D ;D

Really? How you planning on getting here? Or do you live in the samson universe where the laws of physics don't apply
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 05, 2010, 12:41:55 PM
Forgot to specify we bring on an economic and financial war on your soil, step by step

Ah yes I remember the 80's when the japs were gonna wipe us out economically, see how that worked out ::)
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 12:52:52 PM
Ah yes I remember the 80's when the japs were gonna wipe us out economically, see how that worked out ::)

 Japanese, Chinese need more land that is why they have asked Russia help them bend the US over, we shouldn't be doing it rapid though, steadily but certainly! and I don't think you understood it right. The Japanese may have probably meant wipe out in some industry not economically overall. No wonder you're the product of your media, completely brainwashed! Time to change???
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Post by: andreisdaman on December 05, 2010, 12:57:33 PM
And if you have a brain in your head you wouldn't fuck with Americans
agreed...just ask the Taliban and those somali hijackers
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Post by: andreisdaman on December 05, 2010, 12:58:11 PM

All we have to do is wait you goofy fuckers out, since 99% of the population has cirrhosis of the liver, it won't be long.

(http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/demotivational-posters-the-hills-have-eyes.jpg)


awesome ;D
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Post by: andreisdaman on December 05, 2010, 12:59:35 PM
Let's be realistic.....   Russia will be a Chinese vassal by 2050

I really agree with this
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: andreisdaman on December 05, 2010, 01:02:12 PM
Yeah they are setting you up, what do you think happens when one partner gets much stronger than the other?

SUCKERS.....hahahahahaha hh

We all know Russia will likely split apart some more.  It's in their history.  That's what they do, the only Thing they can do well is manufacture and drink vodka.  Other than that they screw everything else up and are are worthless.  

How many shots does it take to defeat russia?  

Answer:  zero

Even France, a country known for its cowardice, fired a few shots before surrendering to the Nazis
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Kazan on December 05, 2010, 01:11:15 PM
Japanese, Chinese need more land that is why they have asked Russia help them bend the US over, we shouldn't be doing it rapid though, steadily but certainly! and I don't think you understood it right. The Japanese may have probably meant wipe out in some industry not economically overall. No wonder you're the product of your media, completely brainwashed! Time to change???

So let me get this rights, they need more land so they are going to go half way around the world to get? Why not take the shit right next door? Talk about a brainwashed dumbass ::)
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Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 01:36:38 PM
So let me get this rights, they need more land so they are going to go half way around the world to get? Why not take the shit right next door? Talk about a brainwashed dumbass ::)

 To go half way around the world is not a problem at all in the age of airplanes. China, Japan, Indonesia, India, Turkey whatever with the help of Russia will put the US in coffin. Economically.
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Post by: OzmO on December 05, 2010, 02:06:20 PM
Russia is stronger overall than China. The quantity doesn't mean shit. The quality does. China is facing big problems as of now, they need space, they can't do shit to Russia and Russia knows it, we have allied to counterbalance the west but it's just a beginning, cause the things are not working too well for you and what most importantly you will face even bigger problems. The overall picture can change literally in 10 years. The US is irrelevant my friend. You know why?


Russia stronger than china?   Hahahhahahahahahaah.   Keep drinking more vodka and you might even think you won the cold war.

So now it's 2020 not 2050?    ::)
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Post by: Kazan on December 05, 2010, 03:51:41 PM
To go half way around the world is not a problem at all in the age of airplanes. China, Japan, Indonesia, India, Turkey whatever with the help of Russia will put the US in coffin. Economically.

Yes because we have no air defense system what so ever ::) The real question why would any one help the russians? I mean seriously, you guys have a shitty record of personal freedom.

Patton was right, we should kicked your commie asses after Germany and Japan were defeated.
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Post by: Skip8282 on December 05, 2010, 04:02:04 PM
To go half way around the world is not a problem at all in the age of airplanes.




hahaha...bring it on douchebag.  Besides, what are going to without us?  Hell, we invent pretty much everything.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 11:13:36 PM
Russia stronger than china?   Hahahhahahahahahaah.   Keep drinking more vodka and you might even think you won the cold war.

So now it's 2020 not 2050?    ::)

 Actually yeah we won it. We did it on intent and now Russia is an emerging superpower whereas it's getting worse and worse day by day in the US. Those former Soviet republics still suck Russian dick. The US have had gained nothing from the Soviet Union collapse, you just haven't had a state to rival you from 1990 - 2000 and felt that you're the man enough. Now as you can see Russia and China are not allies only but are going to stomp the US to death. We are not going to do it fast because you're a good consumer. The US could have bumped the Russian and Chinese heads in 90's thus eliminating the emerging huge superpowers. You didn't or couldn't and now you have absolutely no chance, no future for the US, Iraq will help us as well, Iran. lol
 in 2020 China will become the 1'st super power economically wise
 in 2050 The Northern America will be worse than Southern  
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Post by: theonlyone on December 05, 2010, 11:14:57 PM


hahaha...bring it on douchebag.  Besides, what are going to without us?  Hell, we invent pretty much everything.

 What do you invent that Russians don't have? Only you can do is to consume and make Hollywood flicks!!! You can't do shit that others can't ;)
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Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: loco on December 06, 2010, 06:59:38 AM
Satellite disaster embarrasses Russia

Mon Dec 6, 2010

A bungled rocket launch that sent three satellites crashing into the sea trips up a big race against the U.S.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101206/wl_asia_afp/russiaspacescience
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Post by: OzmO on December 06, 2010, 08:07:51 AM
Russia...used, abuse and put away wet....hahahaha

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704679204575646472655698844.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704679204575646472655698844.html)

ZHUHAI, China—A year after the collapse of the Soviet Union, a cash-strapped Kremlin began selling China a chunk of its vast military arsenal, including the pride of the Russian air force, the Sukhoi-27 fighter jet.

For the next 15 years, Russia was China's biggest arms supplier, providing $20 billion to $30 billion of fighters, destroyers, submarines, tanks and missiles. It even sold Beijing a license to make the Su-27 fighter jet—with imported Russian parts.
[cams] Associated Press

Chinese fighter jets, believed to be J-11Bs, train over Tibet in July.

Today, Russia's military bonanza is over, and China's is just beginning.

After decades of importing and reverse-engineering Russian arms, China has reached a tipping point: It now can produce many of its own advanced weapons—including high-tech fighter jets like the Su-27—and is on the verge of building an aircraft carrier.

Not only have Chinese engineers cloned the prized Su-27's avionics and radar but they are fitting it with the last piece in the technological puzzle, a Chinese jet engine.

Now, China is starting to export much of this weaponry, undercutting Russia in the developing world, and potentially altering the military balance in several of the world's flash points.

This epochal turnaround was palpable in the Russian pavilion at November's Airshow China in the southern city of Zhuhai. Russia used to be the star of this show, wowing visitors with its "Russian Knights" aerobatic team, showing off fighters, helicopters and cargo planes, and sealing multibillion dollar deals on the sidelines.

This year, it didn't bring a single real aircraft—only a handful of plastic miniatures, tended by a few dozen bored sales staff.

China, by contrast, laid on its biggest commercial display of military technology—almost all based on Russian know-how.

The star guests were the "Sherdils," a Pakistani aerobatic team flying fighter jets that are Russian in origin but are now being produced by Pakistan and China.
Milestones

• 1950s — Soviet Union allows China to copy various low-tech weapons

• 1956 — Ideological dispute leads to cutoff of Soviet military assistance

• 1992 — China becomes first country outside former Soviet Union to buy Su-27 fighter jet

• 1994 — China buys four Kilo class diesel submarines from Russia

• 1996 — China buys license to assemble Su-27

• 1997 — China buys two Sovremenny-class destroyers from Russia

• 2002 — China buys eight more submarines and two more destroyers from Russia

• 2007 — China unveils J-11B, which Russians say is a copy of Su-27

"We used to be the senior partner in this relationship—now we're the junior one," said Ruslan Pukhov, of the Russian Defense Ministry's Public Advisory Council, a civilian advisory body to the military.

Russia's predicament mirrors that of many foreign companies as China starts to compete in global markets with advanced trains, power-generating equipment and other civilian products based on technology obtained from the West.

In this case, there is an additional security dimension, however: China is developing weapons systems, including aircraft carriers and carrier-based fighters, that could threaten Taiwan and test U.S. control of the Western Pacific.

Chinese exports of fighters and other advanced weapons also threaten to alter the military balance in South Asia, Sudan and Iran.

China's military muscle still lags far behind that of the U.S., by far the world's largest weapons manufacturer and exporter. China accounted for 2% of global arms transfers between 2005-2009, putting it in ninth place among exporters, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

But no other Asian country has sought to project military power—and had the indigenous capability to do so—since Japan's defeat in 1945.

China's rapid mastery of Russian technology raises questions about U.S. cooperation with the civilian faces of Chinese arms makers.

The Aviation Industry Corp. (AVIC), China's state aerospace company, builds fighters, for instance. But it is also making a new passenger jet with help from General Electric Co. and other U.S. aerospace companies. A GE official says the company has partnered with foreign engine manufacturers for decades "with elaborate protections built in place" that have preserved the company's intellectual property.

There are also implications for U.S. weapons programs. Last year the Pentagon decided to cut funding for the F-22—currently the most advanced fighter deployed in the world—partly on the grounds that China wouldn't have many similar aircraft for at least 15 years.

But then Gen. He Weirong, deputy head of China's Air Force, announced that Chinese versions of such jets were about to undergo test flights, and would be deployed in "eight or 10 years."

The Defense Intelligence Agency now says it will take China "about 10 years" to deploy stealth fighters in "meaningful numbers."

For Moscow and Beijing, meanwhile, a dispute over the intellectual-property rights to such weaponry is testing their efforts to overcome a long historical rivalry and build a new era of friendly ties.

"We didn't pay enough attention to our intellectual property in the past,"said a Russian defense official.   "Now China is even competing with us on the international market."
J-11B Specs


Few things illustrate this more clearly than the J-11B, a Chinese fighter that Russian officials allege is a direct copy of the Su-27, a one-seat fighter that was developed by the Soviets through the 1970s and 1980s as a match for the U.S. F-15 and F-16.

Before the early 1990s, Moscow hadn't provided major arms to Beijing since an ideological split in 1956, which led to a brief border clash in 1969.

But after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Kremlin was desperate for hard currency. In 1992, China became the first country outside the former Soviet Union to buy the Su-27, paying $1 billion for 24.

The deal was a coup for China, which had shifted its military focus away from a potential Soviet land invasion, and now wanted to defend territorial claims over Taiwan and parts of the South China Sea and East China Sea.

Efforts to upgrade its air and naval forces had been hampered by U.S. and European Union arms embargoes imposed after the 1989 crackdown on protesters around Tiananmen Square.

China's military modernization program grew more urgent after its leaders were stunned by the display of U.S. firepower during the first Gulf War, Western military officials say.

Beijing's breakthrough came in 1996, when it paid Russia $2.5 billion for a license to assemble another 200 Su-27s at the Shenyang Aircraft Company.

The agreement stipulated that the aircraft—to be called the J-11—would include imported Russian avionics, radars and engines and couldn't be exported.

But after building 105, China abruptly canceled the contract in 2004, claiming the aircraft no longer met its requirements, according to Russian officials and defense experts.

Three years later, Russia's fears were confirmed when China unveiled its own version of the fighter jet—the J-11B—on state television.

"When the license was sold, everyone knew they would do this. It was just a risk that was taken," said Vassily Kashin, a Russian expert on the Chinese military. "At that time it was a question of survival."

The J-11B looked almost identical to the Su-27, but China said it was 90% indigenous and included more advanced Chinese avionics and radars. Only the engine was still Russian, China said.

Now it is being fitted with a Chinese engine as well, according to Zhang Xinguo, deputy president of AVIC, which includes Shenyang Aircraft.

"You cannot say it's just a copy," he said. "Mobile phones all look similar. But technology is developing very quickly. Even if it looks the same, everything inside cannot be the same."

The J-11B presented Russia with a stark choice—to continue selling China weapons, and risk having them cloned, too, or to stop, and miss out on its still lucrative market.

Russia's initial response was to suspend talks on selling China the Su-33, a fighter with folding wings that can be used on aircraft carriers.

Since then, however, it has re-opened negotiations on the Su-33, although it rejected China's offer to buy just two, and insisted on a larger order.

Sukhoi Aviation Holding Co.'s official position now is that it remains confident about its business in China.

Indeed, many aviation experts believe AVIC is having problems developing an indigenous engine for the J-11B with the same thrust and durability as the original Russian ones.

Sukhoi is betting that China will have to buy the Su-33 on Russian terms as Beijing will struggle to develop its own carrier-based fighter in time for the planned launch of its first carriers in 2011 or 2012.

The company also hopes to sell China the Su-35—a more advanced version of the Su-27—if the J-11B doesn't perform well enough.

"We're just hoping our aircraft will be better," said Sergey Sergeev, deputy director general of Sukhoi. "It's one thing to make a good quality copy of a spoon, but quite another to make one of an aircraft."

The Russian and Chinese governments both declined to comment.

In private, however, Russian officials say they worry that China is about to start mass producing and exporting advanced fighters—without Russian help. China bought $16 billion worth of Russian arms between 2001 and 2008—40% of Russia's sales.

Photographs published recently on Chinese military websites appear to show engines fitted on the J-11B and a modified version—called the J-15—for use on aircraft carriers.

That has compounded Russian fears that China has reverse engineered an Su-33 prototype it acquired in 2001 from Ukraine, according to Russian defense experts.

At last year's Dubai Air Show, China demonstrated its L-15 trainer jet for the first time. In June, China made its debut at the Eurosatory arms fair in France.

In July, China demonstrated the JF-17—the fighter developed with Pakistan—for the first time overseas at the Farnborough Airshow in Britain.

China also had one of the biggest pavilions at an arms fair in Capetown in September.

"They're showing up at arms fairs they've never been to before," said Siemon T. Wezeman, an arms trade expert at SIPRI. "Whereas 15 years ago they had nothing really, now they're offering reasonable technology at a reasonable price."

China is generating particular interest among developing countries, especially with the relatively cheap JF-17 fighter with a Russian engine.

The Kremlin has approved the re-export of the engine to Pakistan, as it has no arms business there.

But it was enraged last year when Azerbaijan, an ex-Soviet republic, began talks on buying JF-17s, according to people familiar with the situation.

Also last year, China's JF-17s and Russia's MiG-29s competed in a tender from Myanmar, which eventually chose the Russians, but paid less than they wanted.

This year, both entered a tender from Egypt, with China offering the JF-17 for $10 million less than Russia's $30 million MiG-29.

That prompted Mikhail Pogosyan, who heads Sukhoi and the company that makes MiGs, to suggest that the Kremlin stop selling China the Russian engines for the JF-17.

The Kremlin hasn't done that yet, but Russian officials have suggested privately taking legal action if China exports more advanced jets like the J-11B.

Last month, Russia's government proposed new legislation attaching an intellectual property rights clause to foreign military sales agreements.

The issue was raised during a visit by President Dmitry Medvedev to China in October, according to people familiar with the situation.

"Of course we're concerned, but we also recognize there's very little we can do," said Mr. Pukhov, of the Russian Defense Ministry's Public Advisory Council.

Asked what advice he would give Western aerospace firms, Sukhoi's Mr. Sergeev said: "They should keep in mind what products they're selling—whether they're civilian or dual use. And most important is to prepare very carefully your contract documents."

While Russia worries about intellectual property, other countries are concerned about security. The arms programs China initiated two or three decades ago are starting to bear fruit, with serious implications for the regional—and global—military balance.

The J-11B is expected to be used by the Chinese navy as its frontline fighter, capable of sustained combat over the entire East China Sea and South China Sea.

Aircraft carriers and J-15 fighters would further enhance its ability to stop the U.S. intervening in a conflict over Taiwan, and test its control of the Western Pacific.

China's arms exports could have repercussions on regions in conflict around the world. Pakistan inducted its first squadron of Chinese-made fighter jets in February, potentially altering the military balance with India.

Other potential buyers of China's JF-17 fighter jet include Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Venezuela, Nigeria, Morocco and Turkey. In the past, China has also sold fighters to Sudan.

The potential customer of greatest concern to the U.S. is Iran, which purchased about $260 million of weapons from China between 2002-2009, according to Russia's Centre for Analysis of the Global Arms Trade.

In June, China backed U.N. sanctions on Iran, including an expanded arms embargo, but Tehran continues to seek Chinese fighters and other weaponry
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 06, 2010, 08:12:02 AM
Actually yeah we won it. We did it on intent and now Russia is an emerging superpower whereas it's getting worse and worse day by day in the US. Those former Soviet republics still suck Russian dick. The US have had gained nothing from the Soviet Union collapse, you just haven't had a state to rival you from 1990 - 2000 and felt that you're the man enough. Now as you can see Russia and China are not allies only but are going to stomp the US to death. We are not going to do it fast because you're a good consumer. The US could have bumped the Russian and Chinese heads in 90's thus eliminating the emerging huge superpowers. You didn't or couldn't and now you have absolutely no chance, no future for the US, Iraq will help us as well, Iran. lol
 in 2020 China will become the 1'st super power economically wise
 in 2050 The Northern America will be worse than Southern  

Wow, you went to 2050 again.........imagine that. ::) ::)


As for the former soviet republics...in 1990 they told you to lick their bung holes and Russia did so accordingly and still do.  Meanwhile, China is pimping your whore asses out and you think its some sort of alliance...hahahahahahah aha   typical Russian loser mentality.
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: Hereford on December 06, 2010, 04:24:54 PM
MOSCOW (AFP) – A programming error may have caused a rocket carrying three Russian navigation satellites to fail to reach orbit, a Russian space agency source told the RIA Novosti news agency on Monday.

"A number of specialists think that mistakes in the programming of the onboard computer system of the Proton rocket led to the engines sending the rocket too high and onto a faulty trajectory," the source said.

The rocket carrying satellites for the Russian government navigation system Glonass, failed to reach the correct orbit Sunday after blasting off from Baikonur cosmodrome, the Russian space agency said.

The satellites crashed into the Pacific Ocean near Hawaii, the spacecraft corporation RKK Energiya said in a statement, confirming earlier reports.

"The Proton launch rocket functioned abnormally, sending the three Glonass satellites and the upper-stage booster rocket on the wrong trajectory and they fell into the Pacific Ocean 1,500 kilometers northwest of Honolulu," the statement said.

[Related: Alien discovery refines ‘life as we know it’]

Once separated from the Proton launch rocket, the upper-stage booster rocket with the three satellites aboard should have put them in orbit about 20 kilometres (12 miles) above the earth.


Click image to see photos of the rocket and satellites

AFP
A space agency source told RIA Novosti that the upper-stage rocket and the satellites immediately disappeared from radio coverage, making it impossible to correct the trajectory.

President Dmitry Medvedev ordered the Prosecutor General Yury Chaika to investigate the loss of the satellites and name the people responsible, the Kremlin said in a statement on its website late Sunday.

The terse statement said the president had also demanded an audit of spending on the entire Glonass programme.

The failure was an embarrassing setback for Russia's attempt to put a satellite navigation system in place to rival the United States's GPS (Global Positioning System) and steal a march on Europe's fledgling Galileo system.

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has underscored the strategic significance of developing the Glonass system to ensure Russia's technological independence.

In a publicity stunt, he even fitted his dog Connie with a collar with a Glonass transmitter.

[Related: Secret spy satellite launches into orbit]

Putin said in April that Russia planned to equip all new cars sold in Russia in 2012 with the new navigation system, developed by the Russian military in the 1980s.

He said Moscow planned to launch a total of seven new Glonass satellites which would ensure coverage of the entire planet, bringing to 27 or 28 the number of operational satellites.

It currently deploys 26 satellites, six of which are not in use.

Russia planned to spend 1.7 billion rubles (40 million dollars) on the project in 2011, after two billion rubles spent in 2010, Putin said.


From Yahoo news... and wherever they got it from...

Looks like Russia is improving... at least they can actually get a rocket up without exploding on the pad these days.


Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: andreisdaman on December 06, 2010, 07:27:05 PM
In a few years China will be Russia's pimp
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 07, 2010, 06:30:29 AM


Looks like Russia is improving... at least they can actually get a rocket up without exploding on the pad these days.

 Looks like the US are decaying, they ask Russians to send their astronauts to cosmos
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 07, 2010, 06:32:14 AM
Russia...used, abuse and put away wet....hahahaha

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704679204575646472655698844.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704679204575646472655698844.html)

ZHUHAI, China—A year after the collapse of the Soviet Union, a cash-strapped Kremlin began selling China a chunk of its vast military arsenal, including the pride of the Russian air force, the Sukhoi-27 fighter jet.

For the next 15 years, Russia was China's biggest arms supplier, providing $20 billion to $30 billion of fighters, destroyers, submarines, tanks and missiles. It even sold Beijing a license to make the Su-27 fighter jet—with imported Russian parts.
[cams] Associated Press

Chinese fighter jets, believed to be J-11Bs, train over Tibet in July.

Today, Russia's military bonanza is over, and China's is just beginning.

After decades of importing and reverse-engineering Russian arms, China has reached a tipping point: It now can produce many of its own advanced weapons—including high-tech fighter jets like the Su-27—and is on the verge of building an aircraft carrier.

Not only have Chinese engineers cloned the prized Su-27's avionics and radar but they are fitting it with the last piece in the technological puzzle, a Chinese jet engine.

Now, China is starting to export much of this weaponry, undercutting Russia in the developing world, and potentially altering the military balance in several of the world's flash points.

This epochal turnaround was palpable in the Russian pavilion at November's Airshow China in the southern city of Zhuhai. Russia used to be the star of this show, wowing visitors with its "Russian Knights" aerobatic team, showing off fighters, helicopters and cargo planes, and sealing multibillion dollar deals on the sidelines.

This year, it didn't bring a single real aircraft—only a handful of plastic miniatures, tended by a few dozen bored sales staff.

China, by contrast, laid on its biggest commercial display of military technology—almost all based on Russian know-how.

The star guests were the "Sherdils," a Pakistani aerobatic team flying fighter jets that are Russian in origin but are now being produced by Pakistan and China.
Milestones

• 1950s — Soviet Union allows China to copy various low-tech weapons

• 1956 — Ideological dispute leads to cutoff of Soviet military assistance

• 1992 — China becomes first country outside former Soviet Union to buy Su-27 fighter jet

• 1994 — China buys four Kilo class diesel submarines from Russia

• 1996 — China buys license to assemble Su-27

• 1997 — China buys two Sovremenny-class destroyers from Russia

• 2002 — China buys eight more submarines and two more destroyers from Russia

• 2007 — China unveils J-11B, which Russians say is a copy of Su-27

"We used to be the senior partner in this relationship—now we're the junior one," said Ruslan Pukhov, of the Russian Defense Ministry's Public Advisory Council, a civilian advisory body to the military.

Russia's predicament mirrors that of many foreign companies as China starts to compete in global markets with advanced trains, power-generating equipment and other civilian products based on technology obtained from the West.

In this case, there is an additional security dimension, however: China is developing weapons systems, including aircraft carriers and carrier-based fighters, that could threaten Taiwan and test U.S. control of the Western Pacific.

Chinese exports of fighters and other advanced weapons also threaten to alter the military balance in South Asia, Sudan and Iran.

China's military muscle still lags far behind that of the U.S., by far the world's largest weapons manufacturer and exporter. China accounted for 2% of global arms transfers between 2005-2009, putting it in ninth place among exporters, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

But no other Asian country has sought to project military power—and had the indigenous capability to do so—since Japan's defeat in 1945.

China's rapid mastery of Russian technology raises questions about U.S. cooperation with the civilian faces of Chinese arms makers.

The Aviation Industry Corp. (AVIC), China's state aerospace company, builds fighters, for instance. But it is also making a new passenger jet with help from General Electric Co. and other U.S. aerospace companies. A GE official says the company has partnered with foreign engine manufacturers for decades "with elaborate protections built in place" that have preserved the company's intellectual property.

There are also implications for U.S. weapons programs. Last year the Pentagon decided to cut funding for the F-22—currently the most advanced fighter deployed in the world—partly on the grounds that China wouldn't have many similar aircraft for at least 15 years.

But then Gen. He Weirong, deputy head of China's Air Force, announced that Chinese versions of such jets were about to undergo test flights, and would be deployed in "eight or 10 years."

The Defense Intelligence Agency now says it will take China "about 10 years" to deploy stealth fighters in "meaningful numbers."

For Moscow and Beijing, meanwhile, a dispute over the intellectual-property rights to such weaponry is testing their efforts to overcome a long historical rivalry and build a new era of friendly ties.

"We didn't pay enough attention to our intellectual property in the past,"said a Russian defense official.   "Now China is even competing with us on the international market."
J-11B Specs


Few things illustrate this more clearly than the J-11B, a Chinese fighter that Russian officials allege is a direct copy of the Su-27, a one-seat fighter that was developed by the Soviets through the 1970s and 1980s as a match for the U.S. F-15 and F-16.

Before the early 1990s, Moscow hadn't provided major arms to Beijing since an ideological split in 1956, which led to a brief border clash in 1969.

But after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Kremlin was desperate for hard currency. In 1992, China became the first country outside the former Soviet Union to buy the Su-27, paying $1 billion for 24.

The deal was a coup for China, which had shifted its military focus away from a potential Soviet land invasion, and now wanted to defend territorial claims over Taiwan and parts of the South China Sea and East China Sea.

Efforts to upgrade its air and naval forces had been hampered by U.S. and European Union arms embargoes imposed after the 1989 crackdown on protesters around Tiananmen Square.

China's military modernization program grew more urgent after its leaders were stunned by the display of U.S. firepower during the first Gulf War, Western military officials say.

Beijing's breakthrough came in 1996, when it paid Russia $2.5 billion for a license to assemble another 200 Su-27s at the Shenyang Aircraft Company.

The agreement stipulated that the aircraft—to be called the J-11—would include imported Russian avionics, radars and engines and couldn't be exported.

But after building 105, China abruptly canceled the contract in 2004, claiming the aircraft no longer met its requirements, according to Russian officials and defense experts.

Three years later, Russia's fears were confirmed when China unveiled its own version of the fighter jet—the J-11B—on state television.

"When the license was sold, everyone knew they would do this. It was just a risk that was taken," said Vassily Kashin, a Russian expert on the Chinese military. "At that time it was a question of survival."

The J-11B looked almost identical to the Su-27, but China said it was 90% indigenous and included more advanced Chinese avionics and radars. Only the engine was still Russian, China said.

Now it is being fitted with a Chinese engine as well, according to Zhang Xinguo, deputy president of AVIC, which includes Shenyang Aircraft.

"You cannot say it's just a copy," he said. "Mobile phones all look similar. But technology is developing very quickly. Even if it looks the same, everything inside cannot be the same."

The J-11B presented Russia with a stark choice—to continue selling China weapons, and risk having them cloned, too, or to stop, and miss out on its still lucrative market.

Russia's initial response was to suspend talks on selling China the Su-33, a fighter with folding wings that can be used on aircraft carriers.

Since then, however, it has re-opened negotiations on the Su-33, although it rejected China's offer to buy just two, and insisted on a larger order.

Sukhoi Aviation Holding Co.'s official position now is that it remains confident about its business in China.

Indeed, many aviation experts believe AVIC is having problems developing an indigenous engine for the J-11B with the same thrust and durability as the original Russian ones.

Sukhoi is betting that China will have to buy the Su-33 on Russian terms as Beijing will struggle to develop its own carrier-based fighter in time for the planned launch of its first carriers in 2011 or 2012.

The company also hopes to sell China the Su-35—a more advanced version of the Su-27—if the J-11B doesn't perform well enough.

"We're just hoping our aircraft will be better," said Sergey Sergeev, deputy director general of Sukhoi. "It's one thing to make a good quality copy of a spoon, but quite another to make one of an aircraft."

The Russian and Chinese governments both declined to comment.

In private, however, Russian officials say they worry that China is about to start mass producing and exporting advanced fighters—without Russian help. China bought $16 billion worth of Russian arms between 2001 and 2008—40% of Russia's sales.

Photographs published recently on Chinese military websites appear to show engines fitted on the J-11B and a modified version—called the J-15—for use on aircraft carriers.

That has compounded Russian fears that China has reverse engineered an Su-33 prototype it acquired in 2001 from Ukraine, according to Russian defense experts.

At last year's Dubai Air Show, China demonstrated its L-15 trainer jet for the first time. In June, China made its debut at the Eurosatory arms fair in France.

In July, China demonstrated the JF-17—the fighter developed with Pakistan—for the first time overseas at the Farnborough Airshow in Britain.

China also had one of the biggest pavilions at an arms fair in Capetown in September.

"They're showing up at arms fairs they've never been to before," said Siemon T. Wezeman, an arms trade expert at SIPRI. "Whereas 15 years ago they had nothing really, now they're offering reasonable technology at a reasonable price."

China is generating particular interest among developing countries, especially with the relatively cheap JF-17 fighter with a Russian engine.

The Kremlin has approved the re-export of the engine to Pakistan, as it has no arms business there.

But it was enraged last year when Azerbaijan, an ex-Soviet republic, began talks on buying JF-17s, according to people familiar with the situation.

Also last year, China's JF-17s and Russia's MiG-29s competed in a tender from Myanmar, which eventually chose the Russians, but paid less than they wanted.

This year, both entered a tender from Egypt, with China offering the JF-17 for $10 million less than Russia's $30 million MiG-29.

That prompted Mikhail Pogosyan, who heads Sukhoi and the company that makes MiGs, to suggest that the Kremlin stop selling China the Russian engines for the JF-17.

The Kremlin hasn't done that yet, but Russian officials have suggested privately taking legal action if China exports more advanced jets like the J-11B.

Last month, Russia's government proposed new legislation attaching an intellectual property rights clause to foreign military sales agreements.

The issue was raised during a visit by President Dmitry Medvedev to China in October, according to people familiar with the situation.

"Of course we're concerned, but we also recognize there's very little we can do," said Mr. Pukhov, of the Russian Defense Ministry's Public Advisory Council.

Asked what advice he would give Western aerospace firms, Sukhoi's Mr. Sergeev said: "They should keep in mind what products they're selling—whether they're civilian or dual use. And most important is to prepare very carefully your contract documents."

While Russia worries about intellectual property, other countries are concerned about security. The arms programs China initiated two or three decades ago are starting to bear fruit, with serious implications for the regional—and global—military balance.

The J-11B is expected to be used by the Chinese navy as its frontline fighter, capable of sustained combat over the entire East China Sea and South China Sea.

Aircraft carriers and J-15 fighters would further enhance its ability to stop the U.S. intervening in a conflict over Taiwan, and test its control of the Western Pacific.

China's arms exports could have repercussions on regions in conflict around the world. Pakistan inducted its first squadron of Chinese-made fighter jets in February, potentially altering the military balance with India.

Other potential buyers of China's JF-17 fighter jet include Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Venezuela, Nigeria, Morocco and Turkey. In the past, China has also sold fighters to Sudan.

The potential customer of greatest concern to the U.S. is Iran, which purchased about $260 million of weapons from China between 2002-2009, according to Russia's Centre for Analysis of the Global Arms Trade.

In June, China backed U.N. sanctions on Iran, including an expanded arms embargo, but Tehran continues to seek Chinese fighters and other weaponry

 it's way too long to read bro, can you sum it up?
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: theonlyone on December 07, 2010, 07:16:53 AM
 Ozmo bro, do you like Russian ballet?


 And if we sell this fighter say to India, it's empty! The export variant is always far worse and Indian pilots can't do shit...
Title: Re: Russian navy kicked american navy video
Post by: OzmO on December 07, 2010, 02:57:39 PM
Ozmo bro, do you like Russian ballet?


 And if we sell this fighter say to India, it's empty! The export variant is always far worse and Indian pilots can't do shit...


Oh yeah....2050   ::)