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Ron Paul Defends WikiLeaks Founder Assange
Friday, 03 Dec 2010
Most Republicans and Democrats say WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange should be prosecuted for the group’s treacherous decision to reveal U.S. diplomatic and military secrets. But maverick Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, disagrees, Politico reports.
“In a free society we're supposed to know the truth,” Paul tells Fox Business. “In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it.”
Further, he says, “This whole notion that Assange, who's an Australian, that we want to prosecute him for treason. I mean, aren't they jumping to a wild conclusion? This is media, isn't it? I mean, why don't we prosecute The New York Times or anybody that releases this?”
Meanwhile, Attorney General Eric Holder says the Justice Department is researching whether Assange can be prosecuted, and former Arkansas GOP Gov. Mike Huckabee, says whoever leaked the documents to Wiki should be charged with treason and executed if found guilty.
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/ron-paul-wikileaks-assange/2010/12/03/id/378949
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SECRETS TO DEFEND SOLDIERS' MOVEMENTS, WHEREABOUTS, ONGOING NEGOTIATIONS, = FINE
SECRETS TO HIDE LIES, DECEIT, HYPOCRISY, CORRUPTION, THEFT = FUCK YOU - GET EXPOSED AND WE DEAL WITH THE FALL OUT
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Like I've said about RP in the past, I like much of what he stands for but he has NO clue about foreign policy in regards to defense.... in that regard he lives in a fairytale land where our enemies always conduct themselves by the "Marquis of Kingsbury" rules.....very naive.
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Good debate.
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Like I've said about RP in the past, I like much of what he stands for but he has NO clue about foreign policy in regards to defense.... in that regard he lives in a fairytale land where our enemies always conduct themselves by the "Marquis of Kingsbury" rules.....very naive.
You have to pay attention to the context he uses in his defense of wikileaks.
Ex. "I mean, why don't we prosecute The New York Times or anybody that releases this?”
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SECRETS TO DEFEND SOLDIERS' MOVEMENTS, WHEREABOUTS, ONGOING NEGOTIATIONS, = FINE
SECRETS TO HIDE LIES, DECEIT, HYPOCRISY, CORRUPTION, THEFT = FUCK YOU - GET EXPOSED AND WE DEAL WITH THE FALL OUT
^ This too. All of a sudden theres a shit storm. ::)
Gov. Mike Huckabee, says whoever leaked the documents to Wiki should be charged with treason and executed if found guilty.
btw, How do you charge a non citizen with treason?
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I agree with most of what Celente says here.
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I dont like going to RT for news but where else arent you going to hear the usual and utter bullcrap?
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I dont like going to RT for news but where else arent you going to hear the usual and utter bullcrap?
I like hearing from Celente, even if I dont agree with everything he says.
Same with Schiff - notice how most of the news sites are still not going o him ?
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^ This too. All of a sudden theres a shit storm. ::)
Gov. Mike Huckabee, says whoever leaked the documents to Wiki should be charged with treason and executed if found guilty.
btw, How do you charge a non citizen with treason?
exactly
Palin twitted the same idiotic statement
clearly doesn't have even an elementary school understanding of civics
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Hahaha, Straw Man and Bindare winning the intellectual decathlon here.
Here's a little tidbit for you morons: The guy who leaked most of this stuff to wikileaks, Bradley Manning, is a US CITIZEN. Any other idiotic statements you retards feel like making?
I do find it funny that, on one hand, people cry about big brother staring over their shoulder and doing things like accessing their emails while on the other hand they argue that every government email should be transparent and open to the public. A lot of these leaks are emails and correspondence between two individuals so I guess if their emails should be open to the public then yours should, too.
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Hahaha, Straw Man and Bindare winning the intellectual decathlon here.
Here's a little tidbit for you morons: The guy who leaked most of this stuff to wikileaks, Bradley Manning, is a US CITIZEN. Any other idiotic statements you retards feel like making?
I do find it funny that, on one hand, people cry about big brother staring over their shoulder and doing things like accessing their emails while on the other hand they argue that every government email should be transparent and open to the public. A lot of these leaks are emails and correspondence between two individuals so I guess if their emails should be open to the public then yours should, too.
I admit, you got me there. I missread and confused this statement with others who called for Assange to be treated as an American citizen. Thanks for correcting me with regards to the Huckabee qoute.
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I admit, you got me there. I missread and confused this statement with others who called for Assange to be treated as an American citizen. Thanks for correcting me with regards to the Huckabee qoute.
Cool. Smart people admit mistakes and move on.
The Justice Department is actually evaluating whether the Wikileaks founder can be prosecuted.
WikiLeaks founder could be charged under Espionage Act
By Ellen Nakashima and Jerry Markon
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Federal authorities are investigating whether WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange violated criminal laws in the group's release of government documents, including possible charges under the Espionage Act, sources familiar with the inquiry said Monday.
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said the Justice Department and Pentagon are conducting "an active, ongoing criminal investigation.'' Others familiar with the probe said the FBI is examining everyone who came into possession of the documents, including those who gave the materials to WikiLeaks and also the organization itself. No charges are imminent, the sources said, and it is unclear whether any will be brought.
Former prosecutors cautioned that prosecutions involving leaked classified information are difficult because the Espionage Act is a 1917 statute that preceded Supreme Court cases that expanded First Amendment protections. The government also would have to persuade another country to turn over Assange, who is outside the United States.
But the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the inquiry is rapidly unfolding, said charges could be filed under the act. The U.S. attorney's office in Alexandria - which in 2005 brought Espionage Act charges, now dropped, against two former pro-Israel lobbyists - is involved in the effort, the sources said.
The Pentagon is leading the investigation and it remains unclear whether any additional charges would be brought in the military or civilian justice systems. Pfc. Bradley Manning, an Army intelligence analyst suspected of being the source of the WikiLeaks documents, was arrested by the military this year.
Holder was asked Monday how the United States could prosecute Assange, who is an Australian citizen. "Let me be very clear," he replied. "It is not saber rattling.
"To the extent there are gaps in our laws," Holder continued, "we will move to close those gaps, which is not to say . . . that anybody at this point, because of their citizenship or their residence, is not a target or a subject of an investigation that's ongoing." He did not indicate that Assange is being investigated for possible violations of the Espionage Act.
Although the Justice Department has taken the position that media organizations could be prosecuted for printing leaked classified information under the legislation, that prospect is unlikely because of official aversion to running afoul of the First Amendment, experts said. Indeed, the Justice Department has never brought such a case, they said.
"Whenever you're talking about a media organization, the department is going to look very closely to ensure that any prosecution doesn't undermine the valid First Amendment functioning of the press," said Kenneth Wainstein, former assistant attorney general in the national security division.
But when it comes to Assange, Jeffrey H. Smith, a former CIA general counsel, said: "I'm confident that the Justice Department is figuring out how to prosecute him."
Smith noted that State Department general counsel Harold H. Koh had sent a letter to Assange on Saturday urging him not to release the cables, to return all classified material and to destroy all classified records from WikiLeaks databases.
"That language is not only the right thing to do policy-wise but puts the government in a position to prosecute him," Smith said. Under the Espionage Act, anyone who has "unauthorized possession to information relating to the national defense" and has reason to believe it could harm the United States may be prosecuted if he publishes it or "willfully" retains it when the government has demanded its return, Smith said.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/29/AR2010112905973.html?hpid=topnews
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More CYA by the Govt. due to its gross incompetence.
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Hahaha, Straw Man and Bindare winning the intellectual decathlon here.
Here's a little tidbit for you morons: The guy who leaked most of this stuff to wikileaks, Bradley Manning, is a US CITIZEN. Any other idiotic statements you retards feel like making?
I do find it funny that, on one hand, people cry about big brother staring over their shoulder and doing things like accessing their emails while on the other hand they argue that every government email should be transparent and open to the public. A lot of these leaks are emails and correspondence between two individuals so I guess if their emails should be open to the public then yours should, too.
the tweet from the twit:
I recently won in court to stop my book "America by Heart" from being leaked, but US Govt can't stop Wikileaks' treasonous act?”
let me know when you've figured out how "Wikileaks" can commit treason
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Manning committed treason no doubt. In my mind he is the real villan in all of this.
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the tweet from the twit:
let me know when you've figured out how "Wikileaks" can commit treason
"Gov. Mike Huckabee, says whoever leaked the documents to Wiki should be charged with treason and executed if found guilty.
btw, How do you charge a non citizen with treason?"
This is Bindare's post that you responded to. You even bolded "How do you charge a non-citizen with treason?" and now you're apparently talking about wikileaks? Nice try at saving face but you should give it a rest. But you make it more and more clear that you suffer from severe reading comphrension issues.
Let me know when people start to spell "Mike Huckabee" as "wikileaks". ::)
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"Gov. Mike Huckabee, says whoever leaked the documents to Wiki should be charged with treason and executed if found guilty.
btw, How do you charge a non citizen with treason?"
This is Bindare's post that you responded to. You even bolded "How do you charge a non-citizen with treason?" and now you're apparently talking about wikileaks? Nice try at saving face but you should give it a rest. But you make it more and more clear that you suffer from severe reading comphrension issues.
Let me know when people start to spell "Mike Huckabee" as "wikileaks". ::)
is wikileaks a US citizen?
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is wikileaks a US citizen?
"Gov. Mike Huckabee, says whoever leaked the documents to Wiki should be charged with treason"
You were caught out looking like a moron and now you're trying to save face. Regardless, let me walk you through the above statement. "Whoever leaked the documents to Wiki" is referring to the person (Bradley Manning) that leaked the documents to wikileaks.
Stop embarrassing yourself. We don't need another 20 page George Washington-esque thread. At least Bindare had the stones to admit he was mistaken.
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"Gov. Mike Huckabee, says whoever leaked the documents to Wiki should be charged with treason"
You were caught out looking like a moron and now you're trying to save face. Regardless, let me walk you through this statement. "Whoever leaked the documented to Wiki" is referring to the person (Bradley Manning) that leaked the documents to wikileaks.
Stop embarrassing yourself. We don't need another 20 page George Washington-esque thread.
Hey Short Bus - try to Pay Attention
exactly
Palin twitted the same idiotic statement
clearly doesn't have even an elementary school understanding of civics
Here is Palins "tweet"
I recently won in court to stop my book "America by Heart" from being leaked, but US Govt can't stop Wikileaks' treasonous act?”
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You were not referring to Palin, you were responding to a post discussing Huckabee. You even bolded the "how do you charge a non-citizen with treason" because you were too fucking stupid to realize that Huckabee was talking about Manning and not Assange.
Bradley Manning is a US citizen. You did not know that because you're clueless about 99% of the shit you post on here. He leaked the documents to wikileaks. He is likely to be charged with treason. Case closed. Stop embarrassing yourself, "short bus".
Ironically, I would reckon most of the kids that ride the short bus have better reading comprehension ability than you. :-\
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You were not referring to Palin, you were responding to a post discussing Huckabee.
Bradley Manning is a US citizen. You did not know that because you're clueless to 99% of the shit you post about on here. He leaked the documents to wikileaks. He is likely to be charged with treason. Case closed. Stop embarrassing yourself, "short bus".
Funny, I would reckon most of the kids that ride the short bus have better reading comprehension ability than you. :-\
I brought up Palin didn't I?
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Ha ha ha.
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I brought up Palin didn't I?
After you tried to take a dig at Huckabee thinking that he was talking about Assange.
www.hookedonphonics.com
I suggest you check that link out. Either that or actually do some reading on thread topics before responding to them.
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After you tried to take a dig at Huckabee thinking that he was talking about Assange.
www.hookedonphonics.com
I suggest you check that link out. Either that or actually do some reading on thread topics before responding to them.
you're telling me you're honestly and truly confused
ok
sorry I can't help you anymore
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"Wikileaks' treasonous act?”
Error 404 brains not found.
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you're telling me you're honestly and truly confused
ok
sorry I can't help you anymore
I'm sorry that you haven't done any reading on this and actually thought they were referring to Assange and not Manning. You don't bold a statement asking how a non-citizen can be charged with treason and then act like that wasn't what you were talking about when it's subsequently pointed out that the person they were referring to is a US citizen. Nice try but that's a swing and a miss.
Bindare admitted he was mistaken. You're too fucking stupid and thick-headed to do the same. :D
Not surprising given the litany of other embarrassing shit you've posted on here and your subsequent refusals to admit you were wrong when successfully refuted.
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I'm sorry that you haven't done any reading on this and actually thought they were referring to Assange and not Manning. You don't bold a statement asking how a non-citizen can be charged with treason and then act like that wasn't what you were talking about when it's subsequently pointed out that the person they were referring to is a US citizen. Nice try but that's a swing and a miss.
Bindare admitted he was mistaken. You're too fucking stupid and thick-headed to do the same. :D
Not surprising given the litany of other embarrassing shit you've posted on here and your subsequent refusals to admit you were wrong when successfully refuted.
they were both referring to TREASON
Assange is Australian so maybe Huckleberry Hound thinks he's committed treason on Australia
Bible Spice referred specifically to the website so maybe she thinks the website is a US Citizen
Are you truly this confused or just bored and want to have a semantic pissing contest?
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Straw - what is your opinion of thisd whole episode to begin with.
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Straw - what is your opinion of thisd whole episode to begin with.
I'm sort of undecided. I've been super busy with work and I haven't followed much of any news recently.
I like that he's giving politicians fits and as much as I hate GS and BofA (speculating that one or both may be the "bank" that's supposed to be leaked) I see a danger in something like that because he's distributed this info to lots of people and I can see the obvious potential to manipulate the market. All in all - still undecided on whether it's a good, bad or ultimately irrelevent (for example the "shocking" revelation that the US has lost faith in Mexico's ability to win the drug war)
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LOL
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BF - I see what you're saying about Huckabee's comment. I hadn't bothered to look before.
I searched for the actual quote from him
"Whoever in our government leaked that information is guilty of treason, and I think anything less than execution is too kind a penalty," Huckabee stated
key phrase left out of original paraphrase
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I'm still pissed off ar huck for that disastrous pardon he granted.
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I'm still pissed off ar huck for that disastrous pardon he granted.
it seems like you're pissed at everyone for something
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it seems like you're pissed at everyone for something
do you know what occured with that?
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Like I've said about RP in the past, I like much of what he stands for but he has NO clue about foreign policy in regards to defense.... in that regard he lives in a fairytale land where our enemies always conduct themselves by the "Marquis of Kingsbury" rules.....very naive.
yes he does, his foreign policy ideas are one of his best attributes imo...
and no he does not live in a fantasy land about our enemies, his critics have put that idea out and out of context from what he says.
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FUCKING SPOT ON
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Ron Paul Defends WikiLeaks Founder Assange
Friday, 03 Dec 2010
Most Republicans and Democrats say WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange should be prosecuted for the group’s treacherous decision to reveal U.S. diplomatic and military secrets. But maverick Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, disagrees, Politico reports.
“In a free society we're supposed to know the truth,” Paul tells Fox Business. “In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it.”
Further, he says, “This whole notion that Assange, who's an Australian, that we want to prosecute him for treason. I mean, aren't they jumping to a wild conclusion? This is media, isn't it? I mean, why don't we prosecute The New York Times or anybody that releases this?”
Meanwhile, Attorney General Eric Holder says the Justice Department is researching whether Assange can be prosecuted, and former Arkansas GOP Gov. Mike Huckabee, says whoever leaked the documents to Wiki should be charged with treason and executed if found guilty.
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/ron-paul-wikileaks-assange/2010/12/03/id/378949
The Swedish Govt has acted like a US sock poppet. They also deliberately overstated the charges they were making, which was consensual sex without a condom, then put Interpol on him for that! Talk about an abuse of power. Persecuting somebody on behalf of an embarrassed US.
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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do you know what occured with that?
i seem to recall he let someone go who later killed or raped and killed someone
my point as that if you have one defining characterstic (at least on this board) it's anger
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i seem to recall he let someone go who later killed or raped and killed someone
my point as that if you have one defining characterstic (at least on this board) it's anger
And your defining characteristic (at least on this board) is stupidity, as BF aptly pointed out. Hmmm...what's the greater...
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And your defining characteristic (at least on this board) is stupidity, as BF aptly pointed out. Hmmm...what's the greater...
more like indifference
I was responding to Bindare's paraphrase which just happened to leave out the key phrase of "in our government"
if BF had bothered to take 5 seconds to find the actual quote or video then it could have saved a lot of time
I had no problem admitting he was right after I bothered to care enough to go look for the actual quote myself
btw - my actual statement which was about Palin was still 100% correct
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more like indifference
I was responding to Bindare's paraphrase which just happened to leave out the key phrase of "in our government"
if BF had bothered to take 5 seconds to find the actual quote or video then it could have saved a lot of time
I had no problem admitting he was right after I bothered to care enough to go look for the actual quote myself
btw - my actual statement which was about Palin was still 100% correct
Yep, nothing says indifference like 10,247 posts. ::)
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Yep, nothing says indifference like 10,247 posts. ::)
Oh Snap Skippy
Brilliant conclusion
As if the sum total of my posts over a 4 year period means I can't be indifferent, uninterested, pre-occuppied, etc.. about any given statement on any given day
My statement was about Palin and it was accurate and I didn't care to take the time to confirm/verify Hucks statement
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more like indifference
I was responding to Bindare's paraphrase which just happened to leave out the key phrase of "in our government"
if BF had bothered to take 5 seconds to find the actual quote or video then it could have saved a lot of time
I had no problem admitting he was right after I bothered to care enough to go look for the actual quote myself
btw - my actual statement which was about Palin was still 100% correct
::)
Here is BD's quote:
^ This too. All of a sudden theres a shit storm. ::)
Gov. Mike Huckabee, says whoever leaked the documents to Wiki should be charged with treason and executed if found guilty.
btw, How do you charge a non citizen with treason?
Pretty obvious that "whoever leaked the documents to Wiki" is referring to the American who leaked the documents to Wiki. Bindare was smart enough to acknowledge his mistake, which as I said is what smart people do. Idiots (particularly Village Idiots), will go down with the ship, arguing dumb mistakes all day long.
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And your defining characteristic (at least on this board) is stupidity, as BF aptly pointed out. Hmmm...what's the greater...
Can't argue with this.
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Can't argue with this.
you can't argue with anything
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Oh Snap Skippy
WTF? lolololol. Good job removing any doubt about GW's accusations.
Brilliant conclusion
As if the sum total of my posts over a 4 year period means I can't be indifferent, uninterested, pre-occuppied, etc.. about any given statement on any given day
My statement was about Palin and it was accurate and I didn't care to take the time to confirm/verify Hucks statement
Yep, keep reaffirming your board persona.
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WTF? lolololol. Good job removing any doubt about GW's accusations.
Yep, keep reaffirming your board persona.
yawn
did you say something Skippy?
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yawn
did you say something Skippy?
Oh...is that more indifference? lololol
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Oh...is that more indifference? lololol
I'm honestly trying hard to find some reason to give a shit what you say but so far no luck
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Ron Paul Defends WikiLeaks Founder Assange
Friday, 03 Dec 2010
Most Republicans and Democrats say WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange should be prosecuted for the group’s treacherous decision to reveal U.S. diplomatic and military secrets. But maverick Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, disagrees, Politico reports.
“In a free society we're supposed to know the truth,” Paul tells Fox Business. “In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it.”
Further, he says, “This whole notion that Assange, who's an Australian, that we want to prosecute him for treason. I mean, aren't they jumping to a wild conclusion? This is media, isn't it? I mean, why don't we prosecute The New York Times or anybody that releases this?”
Meanwhile, Attorney General Eric Holder says the Justice Department is researching whether Assange can be prosecuted, and former Arkansas GOP Gov. Mike Huckabee, says whoever leaked the documents to Wiki should be charged with treason and executed if found guilty.
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/ron-paul-wikileaks-assange/2010/12/03/id/378949
This may be a first:
But Ron Paul is right. :o
Where is the Money Bomb event?
Where can I sign up for the snugly wore Jansport and gangly nerdy look that the true Ron Paul fan subscribes to? ;D
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The Justice Department is actually evaluating whether the Wikileaks founder can be prosecuted.
WikiLeaks founder could be charged under Espionage Act
By Ellen Nakashima and Jerry Markon
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Federal authorities are investigating whether WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange violated criminal laws in the group's release of government documents, including possible charges under the Espionage Act, sources familiar with the inquiry said Monday.
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said the Justice Department and Pentagon are conducting "an active, ongoing criminal investigation.'' Others familiar with the probe said the FBI is examining everyone who came into possession of the documents, including those who gave the materials to WikiLeaks and also the organization itself. No charges are imminent, the sources said, and it is unclear whether any will be brought.
Former prosecutors cautioned that prosecutions involving leaked classified information are difficult because the Espionage Act is a 1917 statute that preceded Supreme Court cases that expanded First Amendment protections. The government also would have to persuade another country to turn over Assange, who is outside the United States.
But the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the inquiry is rapidly unfolding, said charges could be filed under the act. The U.S. attorney's office in Alexandria - which in 2005 brought Espionage Act charges, now dropped, against two former pro-Israel lobbyists - is involved in the effort, the sources said.
The Pentagon is leading the investigation and it remains unclear whether any additional charges would be brought in the military or civilian justice systems. Pfc. Bradley Manning, an Army intelligence analyst suspected of being the source of the WikiLeaks documents, was arrested by the military this year.
Holder was asked Monday how the United States could prosecute Assange, who is an Australian citizen. "Let me be very clear," he replied. "It is not saber rattling.
"To the extent there are gaps in our laws," Holder continued, "we will move to close those gaps, which is not to say . . . that anybody at this point, because of their citizenship or their residence, is not a target or a subject of an investigation that's ongoing." He did not indicate that Assange is being investigated for possible violations of the Espionage Act.
Although the Justice Department has taken the position that media organizations could be prosecuted for printing leaked classified information under the legislation, that prospect is unlikely because of official aversion to running afoul of the First Amendment, experts said. Indeed, the Justice Department has never brought such a case, they said.
"Whenever you're talking about a media organization, the department is going to look very closely to ensure that any prosecution doesn't undermine the valid First Amendment functioning of the press," said Kenneth Wainstein, former assistant attorney general in the national security division.
But when it comes to Assange, Jeffrey H. Smith, a former CIA general counsel, said: "I'm confident that the Justice Department is figuring out how to prosecute him."
Smith noted that State Department general counsel Harold H. Koh had sent a letter to Assange on Saturday urging him not to release the cables, to return all classified material and to destroy all classified records from WikiLeaks databases.
"That language is not only the right thing to do policy-wise but puts the government in a position to prosecute him," Smith said. Under the Espionage Act, anyone who has "unauthorized possession to information relating to the national defense" and has reason to believe it could harm the United States may be prosecuted if he publishes it or "willfully" retains it when the government has demanded its return, Smith said.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/29/AR2010112905973.html?hpid=topnews
Sen. Lieberman: "We Have To Apprehend" Assange of Wikileaks
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/12/02/sen_lieberman_we_have_to_apprehend_assange_of_wikileaks.html