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Title: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: mass 04 on January 03, 2011, 04:11:38 PM
Wrestling is taking over another hour of cable television. World Wrestling Entertainment will announce Monday that it is resurrecting “WWE Tough Enough,” a competition to cast a new member of the organization’s roster. The program was retired by MTV in 2003, but the USA network is bringing it back and pairing it with the hit franchise “Monday Night Raw.”

The return of “Tough Enough” deepens WWE’s relationship with USA channel’s parent, NBC Universal, the media company that Comcast is on the cusp of acquiring. For years, USA has been the home of “Raw,” and last year the Syfy Channel became the home of “Friday Night Smackdown.” WWE executives have spoken publicly about wanting to start a cable channel, and the relationship with NBC and Comcast may prove useful.


Kevin Dunn, the executive vice president for television production at WWE, said “Tough Enough” would be “a brand builder for us.” It will feature 12 men and women jostling for a one-year WWE contract.

“It’s a way to bring eyeballs to the WWE product that wouldn’t necessarily watch a live event wrestling show,” he said.

“Tough Enough” is being introduced as USA, known for scripted dramas, seeks to return to unscripted programming. Its last reality show premiere was “Made in the USA” in 2005. A USA spokesman said the channel was hiring unscripted development executives.

Mr. Dunn said WWE had been talking to USA “for years” about resuming “Tough Enough.” After a splashy premiere on April 4 following “WrestleMania,” the show will be broadcast at 8 p.m. on Mondays before “Raw.”

Mr. Dunn said the addition of “Tough Enough” on USA did not reflect any change in the company’s plans for a channel of its own. “We’re talking to partners,” he said, and those include NBC Universal.
 
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Playboy on January 04, 2011, 04:46:26 AM
Very bad idea. Tough enough winners of the past:

Nidia
Maven
Maria
Kristy Hemme

Where are they now? Nowhere, truth be told.

To learn an art like pro wrestling requires YEARS of training and in multiple regions including Japan.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: mass 04 on January 04, 2011, 08:58:04 AM
I agree. I think Morrison was on one season. I never really watched it, but I remember Holly roughing up some kid. The public doesn't respect or care about wrestling..It's a joke to them. Exposing the "secrets" for lack of a better word, won't change that, it will just reenforce the idea that it's "fake" and these guys never get hurt. The other thing is, even if they do find a star, most of these people are doing it for fame and a springboard to something else, so they wouldn't stick around anyway.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Playboy on January 04, 2011, 01:13:13 PM
I agree. I think Morrison was on one season. I never really watched it, but I remember Holly roughing up some kid. The public doesn't respect or care about wrestling..It's a joke to them. Exposing the "secrets" for lack of a better word, won't change that, it will just reenforce the idea that it's "fake" and these guys never get hurt. The other thing is, even if they do find a star, most of these people are doing it for fame and a springboard to something else, so they wouldn't stick around anyway.
Although not winners of tough enough, many would-be's were still hired due to potential. If that's what you want to call it. Morrison was on of those. Fails in comparison to the Harley Race's, Hogan's, Flair,s, Steamboats, etc.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: mass 04 on January 05, 2011, 08:29:00 AM
Although not winners of tough enough, many would-be's were still hired due to potential. If that's what you want to call it. Morrison was on of those. Fails in comparison to the Harley Race's, Hogan's, Flair,s, Steamboats, etc.
If they are looking for another guy like that, they will be looking for a while.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Montague on January 05, 2011, 08:52:41 AM
Those men were allowed to develop.
Too many guys today are TOLD HOW to develop.

Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Playboy on January 05, 2011, 09:58:07 AM
If they are looking for another guy like that, they will be looking for a while.
I don't think they'll find "him". Old school is GONE.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 05, 2011, 10:06:49 AM
Those men were allowed to develop.
Too many guys today are TOLD HOW to develop.



Exactly.  And way too many generic looks.  Everybody has to be lean, muscular, etc...  the VAST majority of great workers from the past weren't either of those things and did a much better job than the guys now.  Matches today just resemble choreographed gymnastic routines.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Playboy on January 05, 2011, 11:35:26 AM
On a side note...just saw the Steamboat dvd. Very good.

The Bobby Heenan dvd is officially out too.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 05, 2011, 11:39:14 AM
On a side note...just saw the Steamboat dvd. Very good.

The Bobby Heenan dvd is officially out too.

Was Steamboats more NWA or WWF?
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Montague on January 05, 2011, 11:47:21 AM
The last commercial (WWE) DVD I picked up was the Curt Hennig one: Fantastic!

I have one or two vids of Steamboat in Japan along with a shoot he did with RF Video.
I may wait until this one is out for a while, gets marked down, and pick it up just to get the footage that Vince owns.

My only beef with WWE produced vids is that, unlike other shoot videos, there's only so much they will (and can) say.
Also, Vince owns so much of the footage, now.
If you want a complete anthology of any one wrestler, you almost have to buy several discs and books, etc. to get the "whole story" as well as the matches.

Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Playboy on January 05, 2011, 01:11:36 PM
Was Steamboats more NWA or WWF?
Both. It was very well done. No matter what the story was, Vince couldn't boycott it into another WWE ONLY dvd as Steamboat garnered more success and had his best matches in the NWA.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: mass 04 on January 05, 2011, 03:32:25 PM
I was disspointed with the Heenan dvd. The doc was way too short...I understand he's in no condition to give an interview in his current state, but they could of used a lot more archive interviews.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Montague on January 05, 2011, 05:14:44 PM
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Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Playboy on January 06, 2011, 04:40:00 AM
I was disspointed with the Heenan dvd. The doc was way too short...I understand he's in no condition to give an interview in his current state, but they could of used a lot more archive interviews.
You saw it already? Is it worth the buy?
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: MCWAY on January 06, 2011, 10:34:44 AM
Very bad idea. Tough enough winners of the past:

Nidia
Maven
Maria
Kristy Hemme

Where are they now? Nowhere, truth be told.

To learn an art like pro wrestling requires YEARS of training and in multiple regions including Japan.

I thought Maria and Hemme were part of that Diva Search routine. Plus, the winners of "Tough Enough" who have had decent careers include "Miss Jackie" Haas. Current WWE Champion, "The Miz", Mike Mizanin placed second on that show. John Morrison won Tough Enough, as well.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: MCWAY on January 06, 2011, 10:35:45 AM
I agree. I think Morrison was on one season. I never really watched it, but I remember Holly roughing up some kid. The public doesn't respect or care about wrestling..It's a joke to them. Exposing the "secrets" for lack of a better word, won't change that, it will just reenforce the idea that it's "fake" and these guys never get hurt. The other thing is, even if they do find a star, most of these people are doing it for fame and a springboard to something else, so they wouldn't stick around anyway.

Morrison won season 3 of "Tough Enough".
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Playboy on January 06, 2011, 12:30:15 PM
I thought Maria and Hemme were part of that Diva Search routine. Plus, the winners of "Tough Enough" who have had decent careers include "Miss Jackie" Haas. Current WWE Champion, "The Miz", Mike Mizanin placed second on that show. John Morrison won Tough Enough, as well.
Tough Enough / Diva Search...same crap...the point we are trying to make is that they all stink, champ. They FAIL in comparison to the real stars like Hogan, Austin, The Rock, etc.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: mass 04 on January 06, 2011, 04:05:12 PM
You saw it already? Is it worth the buy?
Don't get me wrong, It's very entertaining as is anything with Heenan, but I just thought it could have been better. The matches and extras were great, it's just the doc that dissapointed me. It was $20.00 on Amazon. Well worth it IMO.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: mass 04 on January 06, 2011, 04:26:16 PM
On a related note, I can't believe the money they paid to those diva winners. If I was a guy on the road 280 days a year making half that, I would be pissed.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Playboy on January 07, 2011, 04:40:15 AM
On a related note, I can't believe the money they paid to those diva winners. If I was a guy on the road 280 days a year making half that, I would be pissed.
RVD was only getting 220,000 per year back in his tenure with WWE while Torri Wilson, who couldn't wrestle or give you a promo was making 286,000 per year. Then Vince can't figure out why guys want to jump ship to anther promotion. Its a joke.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: MCWAY on January 07, 2011, 05:29:54 AM
Tough Enough / Diva Search...same crap...the point we are trying to make is that they all stink, champ. They FAIL in comparison to the real stars like Hogan, Austin, The Rock, etc.

Hogan, Rock, and Austin are gone. New stars have to be created.

As for the newer guys, we don't know how their careers will end up. Hogan and Austin wrestled for YEARS in the bush leagues, before working their way up the ranks and becoming stars.

Rock is a third-generation wrestler with connections in the business. I think he had somewhat of a fast-track. With that said, people were saying the SAME THING about Rock. In fact, the whole "Rocky Sucks" routine started because people thought Rock was getting too much preferential treatment.

Rocky Maivia got over, because McMahon was smart enough to channel the animosity against him, by turning him heel, having him join the Nation of Domination, and his adopting the "Rock" persona.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 07, 2011, 05:36:14 AM
Hogan, Rock, and Austin are gone. New stars have to be created.

As for the newer guys, we don't know how their careers will end up. Hogan and Austin wrestled for YEARS in the bush leagues, before working their way up the ranks and becoming stars.

Rock is a third-generation wrestler with connections in the business. I think he had somewhat of a fast-track. With that said, people were saying the SAME THING about Rock. In fact, the whole "Rocky Sucks" routine started because people thought Rock was getting too much preferential treatment.

Rocky Maivia got over, because McMahon was smart enough to channel the animosity against him, by turning him heel, having him join the Nation of Domination, and his adopting the "Rock" persona.


It wasn't that long from starting to wrestle that Hogan went to the AWA, hardly a "bush league" at the time.  Austin took a bit longer, and I think it did nothing but help.

Rock is an exception because of his lineage.  He grew up knowing the business inside and out, not to mention a ton of charisma even before he ever wrestled.  He was a character at Miami.

But the whole point is that shit shows like this are like American Idol.  No way to compare a seasoned singer/band to someone forced down peoples throats who haven't earned the right to be there.  WWE had been stuck on that track for a few years now.

the ONLY thing that would have kept me remotely interested was the 2nd and 3rd generation guys, but its odd how so many of them had no ring presence or charisma.  Maybe their dads sheltered them from the business growing up, i'm not sure, but they just didn't have the "it" factor except for Orton.  And I'm only talking about the new generation, not older 2nd generation wrestlers.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: MCWAY on January 07, 2011, 05:48:56 AM

It wasn't that long from starting to wrestle that Hogan went to the AWA, hardly a "bush league" at the time.  Austin took a bit longer, and I think it did nothing but help.

I wasn't referring to the AWA as a "bush league". But, Hogan had to work from those bush leagues to the AWA and, eventually, to WWE.




Rock is an exception because of his lineage.  He grew up knowing the business inside and out, not to mention a ton of charisma even before he ever wrestled.  He was a character at Miami.

But the whole point is that shit shows like this are like American Idol.  No way to compare a seasoned singer/band to someone forced down peoples throats who haven't earned the right to be there.  WWE had been stuck on that track for a few years now.

We have a more instantized culture. Plus, as I said, Rock was forced down people's throats, which is why people hated him. He got over, when Vince used that animosity by turning Rock heel and having him join the Nation.



the ONLY thing that would have kept me remotely interested was the 2nd and 3rd generation guys, but its odd how so many of them had no ring presence or charisma.  Maybe their dads sheltered them from the business growing up, i'm not sure, but they just didn't have the "it" factor except for Orton.  And I'm only talking about the new generation, not older 2nd generation wrestlers.

Being 2nd and 3rd generation doesn't necessarily dictate success. Chavo Guerrero is a 3rd-generation guy. The best he's done is being ECW Champion and he got crushed by Kane in a matter of seconds at WrestleMania 24. His aunt gets more heat than he does.

Orton's been around a bit longer than some of the others (Dibiase, C. Rhodes, etc). Plus, he did have Helmsley as a tutor.

Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 07, 2011, 06:00:12 AM
Being 2nd and 3rd generation doesn't necessarily dictate success. Chavo Guerrero is a 3rd-generation guy. The best he's done is being ECW Champion and he got crushed by Kane in a matter of seconds at WrestleMania 24. His aunt gets more heat than he does.

Orton's been around a bit longer than some of the others (Dibiase, C. Rhodes, etc). Plus, he did have Helmsley as a tutor.



Oh, i agree, but Chavo has always been over and just misused in WCW and the WWE, imo.  He drew heat in WCW while riding a stick horse to the ring!  Some things just can't be taught in some bootcamp wrestling school.

I agree on Orton and the others, but I just don't see them developing.  That is the problem.  OVW, or wherever, is a joke compared to jumping between territories and countries, learning different styles, etc...  but oh well.....as I have said many times VKM brought it upon himself by squashing all the territory wrestling, now he is reaping what he sowed.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: MCWAY on January 07, 2011, 06:40:40 AM
Oh, i agree, but Chavo has always been over and just misused in WCW and the WWE, imo.  He drew heat in WCW while riding a stick horse to the ring!  Some things just can't be taught in some bootcamp wrestling school.

I agree on Orton and the others, but I just don't see them developing.  That is the problem.  OVW, or wherever, is a joke compared to jumping between territories and countries, learning different styles, etc...  but oh well.....as I have said many times VKM brought it upon himself by squashing all the territory wrestling, now he is reaping what he sowed.

Having Kane beat him in 10 seconds pretty much buried Chavo. And, granted that was a sympathy push, as Kane hadn't held a world title in nearly 10 years.

I'm not sure if the "WWE Universe" has that kind of patience. But, again you have the problem of who should get the push. Remember all the flap about people being sick of seeing Orton, Helmsley, or Cena with the WWE Championship?

Well, the cry was for the new guys to get the push. But, when WWE did that by making Sheamus champion, folks were going BALLISTIC.

Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 07, 2011, 06:50:40 AM
Having Kane beat him in 10 seconds pretty much buried Chavo. And, granted that was a sympathy push, as Kane hadn't held a world title in nearly 10 years.

I'm not sure if the "WWE Universe" has that kind of patience. But, again you have the problem of who should get the push. Remember all the flap about people being sick of seeing Orton, Helmsley, or Cena with the WWE Championship?

Well, the cry was for the new guys to get the push. But, when WWE did that by making Sheamus champion, folks were going BALLISTIC.



It's a tough wire to walk.  But I really don't see it changing anytime soon.  VKM created his wrestling universe, and I don't see a way out for him at this time.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Playboy on January 07, 2011, 07:21:49 AM
There's simply not enough wrestlers that are good enough. In the eighties right into the early ninties you had 3 tours in the WWE. The "A" tour headlined by Hogan, The "B" tour headlined by a big name like Savage or Warrior and the "C" tour that would wrestle in smaller venues to hit the lower markets. Hogan's "A" tour was sold out constantly. Tour "B" was about  9-12,000 crowd and the "C" tour was a 1,000-4,000 seat crowd. WWE made a HUGE portion of its money on travelling house shows from the above tours. Now.....you have 1 tour that is decent which is the Raw tour. No one wants to see the dreaded smackdown tour. Back then, you had so many wrestlers, tag-teams, managers, etc. Now there is NOTHING. Sorry, but I would rather watch paint dry then watch R-Truth take on Miz in the final match.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Montague on January 07, 2011, 07:46:37 AM
I think that most of Vince’s “stars” were unexpected.
Hogan is the only one I can think of that the old man brought in with the sole intention of making the golden child.

He tried the same thing with Sid, Warrior, Luger, etc., but it never worked as planned.
But, there were plenty of mid-card guys josting for that big push - Austin, Rock, Triple H, Cena, Foley - who weren’t that great when they initially came in, but eventually did something that caught on.
To his credit, Vince was smart enough to recognize it & capitalize on it.

I think the idea of giving the new guys a break/push is excellent; provided they deserve it
Even if they’re not yet 100% ready, sometimes you have to experiment and give them the ball to see what they can do.
But, I don't agree with pushing someone new just for the sake of pushing someone new.

Of the current roster, there doesn’t seem to be many guys on the verge of breaking out.
There are guys with talent and potential, but it seems that few are at that proverbial launch pad, ready to take the next step.
Hopefully, that will change soon.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Playboy on January 07, 2011, 09:01:28 AM
I think that most of Vince’s “stars” were unexpected.
Hogan is the only one I can think of that the old man brought in with the sole intention of making the golden child.

He tried the same thing with Sid, Warrior, Luger, etc., but it never worked as planned.
But, there were plenty of mid-card guys josting for that big push - Austin, Rock, Triple H, Cena, Foley - who weren’t that great when they initially came in, but eventually did something that caught on.
To his credit, Vince was smart enough to recognize it & capitalize on it.

I think the idea of giving the new guys a break/push is excellent; provided they deserve it
Even if they’re not yet 100% ready, sometimes you have to experiment and give them the ball to see what they can do.
But, I don't agree with pushing someone new just for the sake of pushing someone new.

Of the current roster, there doesn’t seem to be many guys on the verge of breaking out.
There are guys with talent and potential, but it seems that few are at that proverbial launch pad, ready to take the next step.
Hopefully, that will change soon.
Lex Luger was a huge disappointment. Talk about green as vomit. They actually thought he would do well. He actually did better in the NWA when he left the horsemen.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Montague on January 07, 2011, 11:00:24 AM
Luger's good attributes were that he was safe and agreeable.
The drawbacks were that his mic skills (at times) were pretty stinky, and inside the ring he was fairly "mechanical" as in very routine/basic.
Although he seldom worked outside the box, there were worse guys than him to be in there with.

Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 07, 2011, 11:06:57 AM
Luger's good attributes were that he was safe and agreeable.
The drawbacks were that his mic skills (at times) were pretty stinky, and inside the ring he was fairly "mechanical" as in very routine/basic.
Although he seldom worked outside the box, there were worse guys than him to be in there with.



Luger struck gold in the NWA.  He caught the Crocketts eye in Florida enough to bring him in and Flair wanted him as a Horseman, I believe.

With the Horseman, Lex had the other members to carry the workload in the ring and on the mic.  He just looked like a million bucks.

And when he was out of the Horseman, he fueded quite a bit with them so he had Windham, Tully, Flair and Arn to work with.  Pretty nice group to work with, huh?

Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Montague on January 07, 2011, 11:47:27 AM
I believe it.
If Flair specifically requested to have Luger work with him & the Horsemen, he must've seen something in Lex and figured he could draw money with him.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: marcie999 on January 13, 2011, 09:32:54 PM
I think that most of Vince’s “stars” were unexpected.
Hogan is the only one I can think of that the old man brought in with the sole intention of making the golden child.

He tried the same thing with Sid, Warrior, Luger, etc., but it never worked as planned.
But, there were plenty of mid-card guys josting for that big push - Austin, Rock, Triple H, Cena, Foley - who weren’t that great when they initially came in, but eventually did something that caught on.
To his credit, Vince was smart enough to recognize it & capitalize on it.

I think the idea of giving the new guys a break/push is excellent; provided they deserve it.  
Even if they’re not yet 100% ready, sometimes you have to experiment and give them the ball to see what they can do.
But, I don't agree with pushing someone new just for the sake of pushing someone new.

Of the current roster, there doesn’t seem to be many guys on the verge of breaking out.
There are guys with talent and potential, but it seems that few are at that proverbial launch pad, ready to take the next step.
Hopefully, that will change soon.

I have to agree with this.

Vince has had way more misses than hits.

Am really not enjoying watching wrestling at the moment. Vince doesn't let new talent develop any heat. If they don't make a splash in a few airings they end up jobbing to the latest behemoth he is pushing and then learning they got fired on the WWE website.

 ???

On the subject of Tough Enough. I liked Linda Myles. The girl was tough and I was disappointed after she seemed to disappear after the dominatrix angle with the Basham Brothers. Chris Nowinski got the Havard beaten out of him by resentful wrestlers backstage. John Morrison seemed to be doing ok but got derailed by his ex-girlfriend Melina's toxic narcissism behind the scenes sparking a backlash from the political power mongers. He hasn't recovered.

On the diva front I still wonder what Christy Hemme did to get dumped so thoroughly.

It's like a minefield. Unless you hook up with a MacMahon.

 ;)
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Playboy on January 14, 2011, 04:51:02 AM
I have to agree with this.

Vince has had way more misses than hits.

Am really not enjoying watching wrestling at the moment. Vince doesn't let new talent develop any heat. If they don't make a splash in a few airings they end up jobbing to the latest behemoth he is pushing and then learning they got fired on the WWE website.

 ???

On the subject of Tough Enough. I liked Linda Myles. The girl was tough and I was disappointed after she seemed to disappear after the dominatrix angle with the Basham Brothers. Chris Nowinski got the Havard beaten out of him by resentful wrestlers backstage. John Morrison seemed to be doing ok but got derailed by his ex-girlfriend Melina's toxic narcissism behind the scenes sparking a backlash from the political power mongers. He hasn't recovered.

On the diva front I still wonder what Christy Hemme did to get dumped so thoroughly.

It's like a minefield. Unless you hook up with a MacMahon.

 ;)

She couldn't wrestle if her life depended on it. You cannot teach someone a trade like pro wrestling, moves, the art of it the KAFABE of it in just a few weeks of Tough Enough or through a dumb diva search.
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: MCWAY on January 14, 2011, 11:57:12 AM
I have to agree with this.

Vince has had way more misses than hits.

Am really not enjoying watching wrestling at the moment. Vince doesn't let new talent develop any heat. If they don't make a splash in a few airings they end up jobbing to the latest behemoth he is pushing and then learning they got fired on the WWE website.

 ???

On the subject of Tough Enough. I liked Linda Myles. The girl was tough and I was disappointed after she seemed to disappear after the dominatrix angle with the Basham Brothers. Chris Nowinski got the Havard beaten out of him by resentful wrestlers backstage. John Morrison seemed to be doing ok but got derailed by his ex-girlfriend Melina's toxic narcissism behind the scenes sparking a backlash from the political power mongers. He hasn't recovered.

On the diva front I still wonder what Christy Hemme did to get dumped so thoroughly.

It's like a minefield. Unless you hook up with a MacMahon.

 ;)


Morrison seems to be doing just fine, to me They made him ECW Champion, Intercontinental champion multiple times. And, now he's been on a tear, with this feud with Sheamus. He's beaten Sheamus every time they fought, except for the King-of-the-Ring Finals. Don't be surprised if he wins the Rumble.

Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: marcie999 on January 14, 2011, 11:13:12 PM
She couldn't wrestle if her life depended on it. You cannot teach someone a trade like pro wrestling, moves, the art of it the KAFABE of it in just a few weeks of Tough Enough or through a dumb diva search.

Most of the Divas can't wrestle Playboy, there would only be very few of them left if the WWE cared about wrestling ability.

She wasn't kicked out because of that. She was dumped and they gagged her from discussing the reason. Something happened and I wonder what it was.

And when it comes to Morrison I guess I judge his progress against The Miz's. His problem is he is too good looking. Guys cant support him without looking homo. They should turn him heel.

 :D
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Montague on January 15, 2011, 04:47:41 AM
And when it comes to Morrison I guess I judge his progress against The Miz's. His problem is he is too good looking. Guys cant support him without looking homo. They should turn him heel.


That's a very astute observation and conclusion, IMO.

I could see Morrison's path parallelling the Rock's in that respect.
Rocky's original attitude & look would have made him a classic (albeit midcard) babyface had he debuted about 10 years before he did.
Instead, the fans shit on the character, Vince recognized it was more beneficial to roll with the heat, and so they turned Rock heel.

I'd like to see them try moving away from the "smirky" arrogance and give Morrison's gimmick more of an edge.
Arrogance used to get heels over up until the early 90's, but - while similar - I think that cockiness is a little sharper and comes across stronger now.
They should also inject some meanness into him.

 
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Playboy on January 17, 2011, 04:52:05 AM
Most of the Divas can't wrestle Playboy, there would only be very few of them left if the WWE cared about wrestling ability.

She wasn't kicked out because of that. She was dumped and they gagged her from discussing the reason. Something happened and I wonder what it was.

And when it comes to Morrison I guess I judge his progress against The Miz's. His problem is he is too good looking. Guys cant support him without looking homo. They should turn him heel.

 :D
Back in the day, the females knew how to wrestle and they were capable of executing some hardcore moves. I remember watching the Jumping Bomb Angels of Japan against Leliani Kai and Judy Martin back in 1987 and they practically stole the show (no, i'm not kidding).
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Post by: Montague on January 17, 2011, 05:13:27 AM
Back in the day, the females knew how to wrestle and they were capable of executing some hardcore moves. I remember watching the Jumping Bomb Angels of Japan against Leliani Kai and Judy Martin back in 1987 and they practically stole the show (no, i'm not kidding).


That is true for the most part.
I was impressed with some of the women that Finlay & Storm trained some years ago.
I guess it's like the guys - each generation had its good & poor workers.

Look how many of the gals' "wrestling" consisted of pushing and hair pulling; and that's gone on since the 50's.
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Post by: Playboy on January 17, 2011, 07:36:02 AM

That is true for the most part.
I was impressed with some of the women that Finlay & Storm trained some years ago.
I guess it's like the guys - each generation had its good & poor workers.

Look how many of the gals' "wrestling" consisted of pushing and hair pulling; and that's gone on since the 50's.

Michelle McCool has really beefed up her wrestling skills in the last couple of years.
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Post by: marcie999 on January 18, 2011, 06:47:42 PM
Michelle McCool has really beefed up her wrestling skills in the last couple of years.

Can't stand her.

She has no discernible personality at all. And her gimmick was stolen from TNA.

She's lucky she hooked up with one of the big dogs.

 8)

Wish they would give Maryse a wrestling push. I think she could be good.
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Post by: mass 04 on January 18, 2011, 06:52:23 PM
Can't stand her.

She has no discernible personality at all. And her gimmick was stolen from TNA.

She's lucky she hooked up with one of the big dogs.

 8)

Wish they would give Maryse a wrestling push. I think she could be good.

She's ok. I'm a big fan of Layla, she has amazing charisma and has gotten a lot better in the ring. You're right, Maryse hasn't done much on tv lately, neither has Eve. The division has gotten a lot better over the past year, and I'm glad Nattie got the belt.
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Post by: Montague on January 18, 2011, 07:07:58 PM
I'm a big fan of Layla, she has amazing charisma and has gotten a lot better in the ring.


Yes, her tits are nice.
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Post by: marcie999 on January 19, 2011, 04:45:41 AM

Yes, her tits are nice.

I haven't noticed.

She and her tag team partner could teach annoying to tropical skin diseases.

 ;D
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Post by: MCWAY on January 19, 2011, 04:50:46 AM
Can't stand her.

She has no discernible personality at all. And her gimmick was stolen from TNA.

She's lucky she hooked up with one of the big dogs.

 8)

Wish they would give Maryse a wrestling push. I think she could be good.


She's been Divas champion twice. I'd say she's already had a push.
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Post by: Montague on January 19, 2011, 05:02:23 AM
Who's working with the divas now?
I liked when Finlay & Storm trained them.
Finlay really helped turn Trish & a few others into damn good ring workers.
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Post by: marcie999 on January 19, 2011, 05:08:45 AM
Who's working with the divas now?
I liked when Finlay & Storm trained them.
Finlay really helped turn Trish & a few others into damn good ring workers.

Trish was awful when she started, Props to her though, she really kicked arse when she applied herself to learn the craft properly.

I still remember when she was in tears after that dreadful match with Jackie Gayda.

Bull Nakano should train them.

 ;D
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Post by: Playboy on January 19, 2011, 05:16:21 AM

Yes, her tits are nice.
So's the rest of her body!!
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Post by: marcie999 on January 19, 2011, 09:56:31 PM
So's the rest of her body!!

Not a single Miss Elizabeth or Chyna among them.


 >:(
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Post by: Playboy on January 20, 2011, 05:09:04 AM
Who's working with the divas now?
I liked when Finlay & Storm trained them.
Finlay really helped turn Trish & a few others into damn good ring workers.
Is Finlay not training them anymore??
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Post by: Montague on January 20, 2011, 02:01:24 PM
Is Finlay not training them anymore??


I don't know.
I do know that Storm now has his own wrestling school.
One of his students just signed a developmental deal with the Fed.
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Post by: Montague on January 29, 2011, 07:24:37 PM
source: http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/austinhoststoughenough


NEW YORK CITY –
USA Network and WWE announced that WWE Hall of Famer “Stone Cold” Steve Austin will host USA Network’s upcoming reality series "WWE Tough Enough." The non-scripted series will premiere Monday, April 4 at 11/10 CT, immediately following USA’s ratings juggernaut WWE Monday Night Raw, and move to its regularly scheduled slot in primetime, Mondays at 8/7 CT, starting on April 11.  

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Post by: leonp1981 on January 30, 2011, 06:05:30 PM
USA Network and WWE announced that WWE Hall of Famer “Stone Cold” Steve Austin will host USA Network’s upcoming reality series "WWE Tough Enough."

This means I'll be watching!   8)
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Post by: chaos on January 30, 2011, 06:23:06 PM
This means I'll be watching!   8)
IF he stays in character.
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Post by: Playboy on January 31, 2011, 04:51:41 AM
IF he stays in character.
Lol...nice avatar!
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Post by: Montague on January 31, 2011, 04:53:31 AM
This means I'll be watching!   8)

They're likely banking on a lot of people thinking that way.


IF he stays in character.

I suspect he'll be in and out of character in accordance.
I wouldn't expect him to be "in" the entire time, though, since this is a wrestling "reality" show.
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Post by: Playboy on January 31, 2011, 11:53:05 AM

I don't know.
I do know that Storm now has his own wrestling school.
One of his students just signed a developmental deal with the Fed.
Storm would be a good teacher. He is no nonsense.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on January 31, 2011, 12:17:49 PM
I don't think Austin's "character" is too far of a stretch.....will probably be hard to tell at times....  ;D
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Post by: leonp1981 on January 31, 2011, 06:02:57 PM
I don't think Austin's "character" is too far of a stretch.....will probably be hard to tell at times....  ;D

Yeah, I think Austin himself is kinda Stone Cold 'Light'.  Still tough as shit though.
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Post by: Playboy on February 01, 2011, 07:04:54 AM
Yeah, I think Austin himself is kinda Stone Cold 'Light'.  Still tough as shit though.
You can bet your ass he'll be as tough as nails with these guys. Hardcore Holly was good too to toughen up some of these shmucks that don't take the business seriously and think they will coast it throught to the bigtime.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on February 01, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
I think it could be a perfect fit for Austin.  He has a ton of charisma and the no-nonsense approach will really appeal to fans.  I would tune in, just to see him.
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Post by: Playboy on February 01, 2011, 08:49:25 AM
I think it could be a perfect fit for Austin.  He has a ton of charisma and the no-nonsense approach will really appeal to fans.  I would tune in, just to see him.
Me too...I miss the rattle snake.
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Post by: mass 04 on April 05, 2011, 08:15:43 AM
Anybody watch this?
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Post by: Playboy on April 05, 2011, 08:17:12 AM
Anybody watch this?
Absolutely not. Would rather go to a bar and have a few Corona's.
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Post by: mass 04 on April 12, 2011, 02:02:30 PM
I caught the elimination last night...it was actually pretty intense. Austin is great

starts at 5 min mark
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Post by: Playboy on April 19, 2011, 04:49:21 AM
Austin always does great.  :D
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Post by: L00n on April 19, 2011, 05:04:27 AM
the blond girl is amazing ... great body ..
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Post by: L00n on April 19, 2011, 10:55:10 AM
I think last night was the best episode so far. Cena explaining the short attention span of the crowd and only being as good as your next match. When Austin was going on about being the best. Out doing the Rock and HHH. His speech to the bottom three was great. Watched it again this morning. Enjoying it. I hope next week when the Big Show is on he choke slams the contestants!

what are you talking about next week? i`ve just watch the episode with the big show...
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Post by: jaejonna on April 21, 2011, 11:46:11 AM
I watched this by accident the other night... i came home from work went to sleep, woke up and the TV was on... I caught it from the beginning of the 'running from a dog' challlenge...all I can say is ..WOW .

Austin is funny as hell....the whole ' none of you said they were looking at a WWE superstar' made me spit out my blunt ..lol ... Im def. gonna watch this. Stone Cold also made me laugh when he talked bout 'Ringmaster' hahahaha
that guy they kicked off was def a homo.
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Post by: Playboy on April 26, 2011, 04:46:28 AM
I watched this by accident the other night... i came home from work went to sleep, woke up and the TV was on... I caught it from the beginning of the 'running from a dog' challlenge...all I can say is ..WOW .

Austin is funny as hell....the whole ' none of you said they were looking at a WWE superstar' made me spit out my blunt ..lol ... Im def. gonna watch this. Stone Cold also made me laugh when he talked bout 'Ringmaster' hahahaha
that guy they kicked off was def a homo.
Ha ha ha ha ha .... that is priceless!  :D
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Post by: L00n on April 28, 2011, 08:10:03 AM
good idea ..

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Post by: L00n on May 09, 2011, 11:37:45 PM
nooooooooooooooo
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Post by: mass 04 on June 06, 2011, 06:43:34 PM
swerve!
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Post by: mass 04 on June 06, 2011, 06:50:14 PM
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: mass 04 on June 24, 2011, 04:16:18 PM
The Observer:

- After the Tough Enough finale part of RAW a few weeks back, WWE's John Laurinaitis ripped into Andy Leavine for about five minutes about how Leavine **** on everything Vince McMahon and Steve Austin have done for the business, and about how he was a piece of crap who will never amount to anything in the business. Laurinaitis was mad because they felt Andy should have stayed down longer after the slap from Vince and the Stunner from Austin.
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Post by: Montague on June 24, 2011, 04:41:48 PM
The Observer:

- After the Tough Enough finale part of RAW a few weeks back, WWE's John Laurinaitis ripped into Andy Leavine for about five minutes about how Leavine **** on everything Vince McMahon and Steve Austin have done for the business, and about how he was a piece of crap who will never amount to anything in the business. Laurinaitis was mad because they felt Andy should have stayed down longer after the slap from Vince and the Stunner from Austin.



I think he stayed down longer for the slap, which was really nothing worth emphasizing.
Yeah, he should have sold the Stunner longer, but hey...he's green, and he probably got a little anxious over the occasion.

Regardless, I doubt he'll be around for long.

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Post by: leonp1981 on June 24, 2011, 06:44:12 PM
The Observer:

- After the Tough Enough finale part of RAW a few weeks back, WWE's John Laurinaitis ripped into Andy Leavine for about five minutes about how Leavine **** on everything Vince McMahon and Steve Austin have done for the business, and about how he was a piece of crap who will never amount to anything in the business. Laurinaitis was mad because they felt Andy should have stayed down longer after the slap from Vince and the Stunner from Austin.


What a welcome to the company...  :-\  He could have stayed down after the Stunner, instead of rolling out of the ring, but it's not the end of the world.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on June 24, 2011, 07:25:11 PM
The Observer:

- After the Tough Enough finale part of RAW a few weeks back, WWE's John Laurinaitis ripped into Andy Leavine for about five minutes about how Leavine **** on everything Vince McMahon and Steve Austin have done for the business, and about how he was a piece of crap who will never amount to anything in the business. Laurinaitis was mad because they felt Andy should have stayed down longer after the slap from Vince and the Stunner from Austin.


Kid should have just told Animal that he was no-selling like he did with EVERYBODY back in the day.... ::)  And it's not like most fans nowadays are going to pick up on it anyway.

Or better yet, tell him he was just "Hulking up".....what would make VKM proud.
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Post by: Montague on June 24, 2011, 07:42:31 PM
Kid should have just told Animal that he was no-selling like he did with EVERYBODY back in the day.... ::)  And it's not like most fans nowadays are going to pick up on it anyway.

Or better yet, tell him he was just "Hulking up".....what would make VKM proud.


Animal?
I suspect you're thinking of JOE Laurinaitis.
John Laurinaitis is WWE SR VP of Talent.
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Post by: mass 04 on June 24, 2011, 07:47:03 PM

I think he stayed down longer for the slap, which was really nothing worth emphasizing.
Yeah, he should have sold the Stunner longer, but hey...he's green, and he probably got a little anxious over the occasion.

Regardless, I doubt he'll be around for long.


Cole was stunned by Austin and got up literally 10 seconds later. And how hard can you sell a slap from a near 70 yr old man?
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 24, 2011, 07:49:54 PM

Animal?
I suspect you're thinking of JOE Laurinaitis.
John Laurinaitis is WWE SR VP of Talent.

haha, only saw the last name.....  if he thinks the guy shit on everything VKM has done....GOOD !!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: WWE Tough Enough returning. Good or Bad Idea?
Post by: Montague on June 24, 2011, 08:55:35 PM
haha, only saw the last name.....  if he thinks the guy shit on everything VKM has done....GOOD !!!!!  ;D


Laurinaitis ought to smack Vince for increasingly shitting on his own business since 2005.