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"No matter how good you are, you will lose. Everybody does, there are so many different disciplines and everybody gets caught at some point. But, that's not what happened to Fedor Emelianenko Saturday against Antonio Silva. After going a decade without losing, he follows up last summer’s loss to Fabricio Werdum by getting his face beaten in Saturday."
"And that's no fluke, that's not a guy getting suckered into a savvy submission hold or just getting caught with one big shot in the chin. That was a bigger, stronger, better fighter on top of Fedor pounding him senseless. Silva said that he was surprised that the doctors stopped the fight. Surprised or disappointed? Did you bother to check that piece of meat that you were bludgeoning between shots. Trust me, he had enough."
"Fedor admitted enough afterwards, quote - Maybe it's time to leave …Maybe it's the last time, maybe it's high time. No maybe's about it, if anything it's probably past time."
"Now it's pretty obvious why he didn't want to sign with the UFC. While Strikeforce does have competitive heavyweights, he didn't want to fight the best of the best on the biggest stage, he knew better. He refused to take any chances; he milked it for all its worth and he got paid and then exposed and now it's over."
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That's funny, lol ,just a couple years ago Jim Rome was bashing MMA and now he's an expert? Zuffa is paying the guys who supply him with notecards full of MMA related opinions well.
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of course he's going to have Dana's back,Dana is Romes only connection to MMA (the ufc), and that's a bridge he doesn't want to burn in any way shape or form.
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yeah jim rome is an mma expert ::)
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Jim Rome is one of the worst sports analysts in the world and is one of the biggest hypocrites on the planet. Another big mouth with a microphone who doesn't know jack shit about anything.
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"No matter how good you are, you will lose. Everybody does, there are so many different disciplines and everybody gets caught at some point. But, that's not what happened to Fedor Emelianenko Saturday against Antonio Silva. After going a decade without losing, he follows up last summer’s loss to Fabricio Werdum by getting his face beaten in Saturday."
"And that's no fluke, that's not a guy getting suckered into a savvy submission hold or just getting caught with one big shot in the chin. That was a bigger, stronger, better fighter on top of Fedor pounding him senseless. Silva said that he was surprised that the doctors stopped the fight. Surprised or disappointed? Did you bother to check that piece of meat that you were bludgeoning between shots. Trust me, he had enough."
"Fedor admitted enough afterwards, quote - Maybe it's time to leave …Maybe it's the last time, maybe it's high time. No maybe's about it, if anything it's probably past time."
"Now it's pretty obvious why he didn't want to sign with the UFC. While Strikeforce does have competitive heavyweights, he didn't want to fight the best of the best on the biggest stage, he knew better. He refused to take any chances; he milked it for all its worth and he got paid and then exposed and now it's over."
His opinion is asinine and frivolous, revealing a complete lack of MMA knowledge. Sure, I agree with him that Fedor got beaten by a bigger - much, much bigger - fighter. But better? Nope. Fedor won the first round and was still conscious at the end of the second round. If he went to the third round, he might have found a way to win. If it weren't for the ridiculous 55 lbs weight advantage, Fedor would have galvanized.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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More excuses from you guys. Rome is spot on here, like it or not. Fedor wasn't fighting the best.
I love how someone states Rome is paid off by ufc for these statements. Pathetic.
Also, this whole weight advantage issue Suck keeps crying about. What about the difference Velasquez always faces.. or think back to the old school Royce Gracie days. Stop making excuses.
I loved watching Fedor destroy guys. But those days look numbered. Do I think he's done? No. If he can hack the HW division anymore, drop. It's that simple. I think he'd run thru anything Strikeforce can throw his way in terms of LHW's.
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That's funny, lol ,just a couple years ago Jim Rome was bashing MMA and now he's an expert? Zuffa is paying the guys who supply him with notecards full of MMA related opinions well.
So are you inferring that Rome is wrong in his analysis of Fedor. I'm not much of a Rome fan, but he is telling it like it is.
There would have been no shame if Fedor had been losing to big names recently, but come on, Fedor just lost to a guy he was favored to win with 5-1 odds. Looks pathetic.
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His opinion is asinine and frivolous, revealing a complete lack of MMA knowledge. Sure, I agree with him that Fedor got beaten by a bigger - much, much bigger - fighter. But better? Nope. Fedor won the first round and was still conscious at the end of the second round. If he went to the third round, he might have found a way to win. If it weren't for the ridiculous 55 lbs weight advantage, Fedor would have galvanized.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
LOL...Fedor is the one who chooses to fight in the 265lb HW division. Silva made weight...pathetic excuse.
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LOL...Fedor is the one who chooses to fight in the 265lb HW division. Silva made weight...pathetic excuse.
Sure...excuse. I am sure that if Anderson fought Lesnar and lost, you would say it was due to physics and not skills. And Silva was 285 lbs in the cage compared to 228 lbs for Fedor. That is 57 lbs and not 55 lbs like I previously said.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Also, this whole weight advantage issue Suck keeps crying about. What about the difference Velasquez always faces..
Sure, because a 20 lbs weight advantage is just as great as a 60 lbs weight advantage. You know, not only is the difference in weight between Silva and Fedor three times greater than that between Cain and Lesnar, but Silva can actually strike and he doesen't crawl into foetal position when he is hit.
or think back to the old school Royce Gracie days. Stop making excuses.
Sure, because you can compare Royce submitting guys with no ground game at all to a guy who is a BJJ black belt. So he outweights Fedor by almost 60 lbs and is a BJJ black belt. Yawn, Coltrane. Your arguments are even more asinine and frivolous than those of Rome.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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LOL...Fedor is the one who chooses to fight in the 265lb HW division. Silva made weight...pathetic excuse.
I agree with this. It is obvious this is the reason why he isn't destroying opponents. Brett Rogers has no ground game and yet in the Fedor fight he got out of submissions with sheer strength. Obviously, physics matters. And Silva made weight but was 285 lbs in the cage. That is over 55 lbs heavier than Fedor. "Made weight"? Lol, he outweighted Fedor by three weight classes!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Please stop going on about the weight.A fight is a fight and the best man wins.Fedor knows hes going in there and getting outweighed almost every fight.Did it bother him before? No
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Please stop going on about the weight.A fight is a fight and the best man wins.Fedor knows hes going in there and getting outweighed almost every fight.Did it bother him before? No
Sure, Fedor is not as god-like as he used to be and can no longer defeat 50+ lbs fighters. This doesen't mean that beating fighters that outweight you by more than 50 lbs is easy. Quite the contrary. The only one who could do it continuously was Fedor. GSP and Anderson would get demolished is they tried to fight against 240 lbs heavyweights, whop enjoy over them the same weight advantage that the super-large heavyweights enjoy over Fedor.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Sure, because a 20 lbs weight advantage is just as great as a 60 lbs weight advantage. You know, not only is the difference in weight between Silva and Fedor three times greater than that between Cain and Lesnar, but Silva can actually strike and he doesen't crawl into foetal position when he is hit.
Hmmm... you really think Lesnar fights at 265 or goes up a tad after weighing in? I"m pretty sure there is more than a 20 pound weight difference for Cain.
I would think Lesnar is more about 280 and Cain 240 or so... the day of the fight.
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Haha you actually back up what this no nothing is saying?? Shows how dumb you are, agreeing with a notorious moron who's never even thrown a football let alone get into a fist fight in his entire life lol.
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jim rome is a tuf noob personified
he didn't start paying attention until it became mainstream, before that he called it "cock fighting"
using jim rome to support your argument says a lot about you hahaha
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Jim Rome said it perfectly. Fedor was scared of the UFC....lol.
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Sure, Fedor is not as god-like as he used to be and can no longer defeat 50+ lbs fighters. This doesen't mean that beating fighters that outweight you by more than 50 lbs is easy. Quite the contrary. The only one who could do it continuously was Fedor. GSP and Anderson would get demolished is they tried to fight against 240 lbs heavyweights, whop enjoy over them the same weight advantage that the super-large heavyweights enjoy over Fedor.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Why are you bringing up GSP and Anderson Silva...they know they can't compete at HW. Pointless.
This is what I have been saying for years on here...Fedor can't compete with today's true HW's. This is exactly why he didn't deserve to hold that #1 spot hostage for so long and not give the other best HW fighters a chance at fighting him.
Amazing how Cain, who is currently the#1 HW in the world, weighs about the same as Fedor and has fought 280 lb guys with ease.
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Why are you bringing up GSP and Anderson Silva...they know they can't compete at HW. Pointless.
This is what I have been saying for years on here...Fedor can't compete with today's true HW's. This is exactly why he didn't deserve to hold that #1 spot hostage for so long and not give the other best HW fighters a chance at fighting him.
Amazing how Cain, who is currently the#1 HW in the world, weighs about the same as Fedor and has fought 280 lb guys with ease.
Hopefully suckmybrainout doesn't read that. Meltdown city.
BTW: Cain is a beast.
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and how much younger is cain?
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and how much younger is cain?
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Thats irrelevant. The argument that is posed is that there is a huge weight difference between Fedor and Silva (at least that is what suck is saying).
I am saying that Cain whopped Lesnar with the same size problem.
Pay attention Earl! ;D
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and how much younger is cain?
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I didn't know they considered age when ranking fighters?
Please post a link if you got one?
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Thats irrelevant. The argument that is posed is that there is a huge weight difference between Fedor and Silva (at least that is what suck is saying).
I am saying that Cain whopped Lesnar with the same size problem.
Pay attention Earl! ;D
and i'm saying fedor isn't what he used to be, meanwhile you haters want to think that he was always a bum
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I didn't know they considered age when ranking fighters?
Please post a link if you got one?
do you think Fedor is the same fighter he was 5 years ago?
or was he always a bum?
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and i'm saying fedor isn't what he used to be, meanwhile you haters want to think that he was always a bum
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I've stated many times on here that he is a great fighter in years past. But as of late, (well, the past few years) i feel he's hasn't been fighting the best.
He's by FAR a bum.
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do you think Fedor is the same fighter he was 5 years ago?
or was he always a bum?
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He is most likely the same fighter he was 5 years ago. That was exactly the reason for his demise.
Fedor was never a bum though, and I actually like him as a fighter and person.
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Why are you bringing up GSP and Anderson Silva...they know they can't compete at HW. Pointless.
This is what I have been saying for years on here...Fedor can't compete with today's true HW's. This is exactly why he didn't deserve to hold that #1 spot hostage for so long and not give the other best HW fighters a chance at fighting him.
Amazing how Cain, who is currently the#1 HW in the world, weighs about the same as Fedor and has fought 280 lb guys with ease.
Lol yeah he fought 5- 2 Brock Lesnar. wow
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Lol yeah he fought 5- 2 Brock Lesnar. wow
What makes Cain different than Fedor is that he is in the largest MMA org that has the biggest pool of talent. If Cain, or any other #1 HW wants to keep that belt, they WILL have to fight the best.
When Fedor was #1, this was not the case. He hid from the big orgs.
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What makes Cain different than Fedor is that he is in the largest MMA org that has the biggest pool of talent. If Cain, or any other #1 HW wants to keep that belt, they WILL have to fight the best.
When Fedor was #1, this was not the case. He hid from the big orgs.
Cain Velasquez? The guy who barely made it through Cheick Kongo (who got knocked the fuck out by Gilbert Yvel?!! lol!)
Why isn't Cain fighting in the heavyweight tourney? The only good fight for him in the UFC is JDS, who is gonna knock his head clean off if they ever fight.
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Cain Velasquez? The guy who barely made it through Cheick Kongo (who got knocked the fuck out by Gilbert Yvel?!! lol!)
Why isn't Cain fighting in the heavyweight tourney? The only good fight for him in the UFC is JDS, who is gonna knock his head clean off if they ever fight.
Contracts Law 101 retard.
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Contracts Law 101 retard.
He should be looking to fight the best HWs instead of fighting nobodies like Lesnar.
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He should be looking to fight the best HWs instead of fighting nobodies like Lesnar.
I'm sure fighting the best is important, but so is the almighty buck. UFC has both.
End of topic.
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Contracts Law 101 retard.
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I think that we are all well aware that Velasquez is under contract with the UFC. His point is that the UFC does not have the best talent pool of HW's-- and that outside of Velasquez and JDS ( and possibly Carwin if he fights again) there are no legitimate HW's in the UFC period. If all it comes down to is the best match ups, then Velasquez should rip up his contract and join SF.
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I think that we are all well aware that Velasquez is under contract with the UFC. His point is that the UFC does not have the best talent pool of HW's-- and that outside of Velasquez and JDS ( and possibly Carwin if he fights again) there are no legitimate HW's in the UFC period. If all it comes down to is the best match ups, then Velasquez should rip up his contract and join SF.
Listen. Obviously it's very subjective which org has the better fighters. UFC: Cain, JDS, Carwin. SF: Overeem, Fedor, Werdum. Those, IMO are the tops of each. And each has there lower level fighters, ala, Lesnar, Mir, Barnett, Rogers, etc.
Again, this is all very subjective.
Why would Cain bail from the largest, most popular MMA org in the world and take a pay cut? Explain.
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Why are you bringing up GSP and Anderson Silva...they know they can't compete at HW. Pointless.
My point exactly. The reason why they are more successful than Fedor recently is because they fight fighters who don't outweight them, and in the case of Anderson Silva he fights fighters who not only don't outweight him but are mediocre.
This is what I have been saying for years on here...Fedor can't compete with today's true HW's. This is exactly why he didn't deserve to hold that #1 spot hostage for so long and not give the other best HW fighters a chance at fighting him.
Maybe. But this is what makes Fedor so awesome: he takes on fighters that outweight him by 50+ lbs and beats them, and even when he doesen't he still holds his own. Fedor won the first round against Silva you idiot. And he lost due to a doctor stoppage and not because he was KOd. Why can't you understand this? This was far from a definitive win. Fedor might have beat Silva in the third round or won the round and taken the fight. He lost just because a doctor said so.
Amazing how Cain, who is currently the#1 HW in the world, weighs about the same as Fedor and has fought 280 lb guys with ease.
As they say...liar, liar, pants on fire! First of all, Brock was 265 lbs for the fight with Cain. Secondly, Cain is 245 lbs compared to 225 lbs for Fedor. So Cain was only 20 lbs lighter than
Brock compared to almost 60 lbs for Fedor compared to Silva. Thirdly, Brock can't take a punch or throw a punch, which Silva can very well. Terrible analogy. You = know nothing!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Cain Velasquez? The guy who barely made it through Cheick Kongo (who got knocked the fuck out by Gilbert Yvel?!! lol!)
Why isn't Cain fighting in the heavyweight tourney? The only good fight for him in the UFC is JDS, who is gonna knock his head clean off if they ever fight.
WTF...Cain is in the UFC. The UFC basically have a tourney running all the time with as many events as they have.
The Strikeforce tourney isn't even for a belt. It's just a marketing gimmick really. But hey, it seems to be working.
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My point exactly. The reason why they are more successful than Fedor recently is because they fight fighters who don't outweight them, and in the case of Anderson Silva he fights fighters who not only don't outweight him but are mediocre.
Maybe. But this is what makes Fedor so awesome: he takes on fighters that outweight him by 50+ lbs and beats them, and even when he doesen't he still holds his own. Fedor won the first round against Silva you idiot. And he lost due to a doctor stoppage and not because he was KOd. Why can't you understand this? This was far from a definitive win. Fedor might have beat Silva in the third round or won the round and taken the fight. He lost just because a doctor said so.
As they say...liar, liar, pants on fire! First of all, Brock was 265 lbs for the fight with Cain. Secondly, Cain is 245 lbs compared to 225 lbs for Fedor. So Cain was only 20 lbs lighter than
Brock compared to almost 60 lbs for Fedor compared to Silva. Thirdly, Brock can't take a punch or throw a punch, which Silva can very well. Terrible analogy. You = know nothing!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Wrong. That's what he weighed in at prior to the fight. NOT on fight day. Fighters gain a good amount of weight back in the few days after making weight.
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WTF...Cain is in the UFC. The UFC basically have a tourney running all the time with as many events as they have.The Strikeforce tourney isn't even for a belt. It's just a marketing gimmick really. But hey, it seems to be working.
Interesting comment. All this bullshit about the SF TOURNEY. It's no different that the normal course of events for any weight class in most orgs.
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Wrong. That's what he weighed in at prior to the fight. NOT on fight day. Fighters gain a good amount of weight back in the few days after making weight.
No, Brock was significantly smaller for that fight and for the Carwin fight because he was still recuperating from surgery. He was around 290 lbs for his fight with Mir and his early UFC fights, but he was much smaller for his fights after surgery. He lost lots of muscle mass.
And even if the size difference between Cain and Lesnar were the same as that between Fedor and Silva, it still wouldn't matter because Brock can't throw a punch or take a punch if his life depends on it. Silva is a very powerful striker and has a ridiculously tough chin.
Your analogy sucks and you are imbecile.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Listen. Obviously it's very subjective which org has the better fighters. UFC: Cain, JDS, Carwin. SF: Overeem, Fedor, Werdum. Those, IMO are the tops of each. And each has there lower level fighters, ala, Lesnar, Mir, Barnett, Rogers, etc.
Again, this is all very subjective.
Why would Cain bail from the largest, most popular MMA org in the world and take a pay cut? Explain.
Carwin is an elite?? Bahahahahaha! Barnett, even now would wear Carwin down till he gassed in the first round, mount him and pound him out. Your knowledge of MMA is a joke lol,
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No, Brock was significantly smaller for that fight and for the Carwin fight because he was still recuperating from surgery. He was around 290 lbs for his fight with Mir and his early UFC fights, but he was much smaller for his fights after surgery. He lost lots of muscle mass.
And even if the size difference between Cain and Lesnar were the same as that between Fedor and Silva, it still wouldn't matter because Brock can't throw a punch or take a punch if his life depends on it. Silva is a very powerful striker and has a ridiculously tough chin.
Your analogy sucks and you are imbecile.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Um, Mr. Smartguy. What analogy did I make? Do you even know what an analogy is brainiac?
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Um, Mr. Smartguy. What analogy did I make? Do you even know what an analogy is brainiac?
I meant a comparison. Sorry, English is not my first language and I sometimes mistake terms. But judging from my posts compared to yours - on all topics and not only MMA -, I would say I am more intelligent than you are and probably would outscore you on IQ tests.
But anyway, you haven't addressed any of the points I've made, which is the reason why you focused on that to deflect from my points. The bottom line is that I am right and you are wrong.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I meant a comparison. Sorry, English is not my first language and I sometimes mistake terms. But judging from my posts compared to yours - on all topics and not only MMA -, I would say I am more intelligent than you are and probably would outscore you on IQ tests.
But anyway, you haven't addressed any of the points I've made, which is the reason why you focused on that to deflect from my points. The bottom line is that I am right and you are wrong.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
And you do a wonderful job of making yourself out a moron.
How's that for analogy?
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And you do a wonderful job of making yourself out a moron.
How's that for analogy?
No, being made a moron is trying to pretend being an MMA expert and then losing all his bets on MMA!! LMAO! And I don't care about your opinion. I know that I am smarter than you are. I am pretty sure about that.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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No, being made a moron is trying to pretend being an MMA expert and then losing all his bets on MMA!! LMAO! And I don't care about your opinion. I know that I am smarter than you are. I am pretty sure about that.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
If you don't care about my opinion then why do you respond with your own, Genius?
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do you think Fedor is the same fighter he was 5 years ago?
or was he always a bum?
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He was over hyped, beat a bunch of cans, ducked real opposition and probably participated in fixe fights.
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If you don't care about my opinion then why do you respond with your own, Genius?
I meant your opinion on my intelligence, retard. Your reading comprehension sucks, and you don't een have the excuse that English isn't your first language.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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He was over hyped, beat a bunch of cans, ducked real opposition and probably participated in fixe fights.
and who has the better resume ::)
fixed fight? he wasn't even close to being the most popular fighter among the japanese
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and who has the better resume ::)
fixed fight? he wasn't even close to being the most popular fighter among the japanese
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Its all debatable at this point. Everyone has an opinion, and mine happens to have been proven TWICE since June.
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He was over hyped, beat a bunch of cans, ducked real opposition and probably participated in fixe fights.
ie Brock Lesnar lol
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ie Brock Lesnar lol
Lesnar hasn't been coined GREATEST HW ever.
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Lesnar hasn't been coined GREATEST HW ever.
Exactly. Lesnar also fights in the most stacked HW division making himself available to fights with the best HW's in the world. Fedor was not doing this. Unless injured, the UFC makes these guys fight, often.
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Exactly. Lesnar also fights in the most stacked HW division making himself available to fights with the best HW's in the world. Fedor was not doing this. Unless injured, the UFC makes these guys fight, often.
Hahaha lmfao who has 5-2 Lesnar beaten?
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Exactly. Lesnar also fights in the most stacked HW division making himself available to fights with the best HW's in the world. Fedor was not doing this. Unless injured, the UFC makes these guys fight, often.
Stacked HW division? You're talking about the UFC, not Strikeforce.
The UFC HW division is close to being the worst it has ever been. Outside of Cain there is no one. At least when Arlovski and Sylvia were embarrassing it they had each other to fight. Cain gets to choose between a Carwin with a 15 second gas tank, a Brock Lesnar that has a vagina and can't take a punch or a handful of other unproven, untested and most likely under-performing nonames.
Try harder. How much does Dana White pay you to post on here? I hope he pays you in cash and not only facials.
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Stacked HW division? You're talking about the UFC, not Strikeforce.
The UFC HW division is close to being the worst it has ever been. Outside of Cain there is no one. At least when Arlovski and Sylvia were embarrassing it they had each other to fight. Cain gets to choose between a Carwin with a 15 second gas tank, a Brock Lesnar that has a vagina and can't take a punch or a handful of other unproven, untested and most likely under-performing nonames.
Try harder. How much does Dana White pay you to post on here? I hope he pays you in cash and not only facials.
JDS is the better heavyweight, but your right Cain and JDS are the only 2 good HWs in the UFC. Dont know where he gets this stacked division idea from...?
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JDS is the better heavyweight, but your right Cain and JDS are the only 2 good HWs in the UFC. Dont know where he gets this stacked division idea from...?
It stems from him having watched MMA for maybe two years and only knowing the UFC. He's one of those fanboys true MMA fans constantly laugh at.
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It stems from him having watched MMA for maybe two years and only knowing the UFC. He's one of those fanboys true MMA fans constantly laugh at.
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Exactly. Lesnar also fights in the most stacked HW division making himself available to fights with the best HW's in the world. Fedor was not doing this. Unless injured, the UFC makes these guys fight, often.
And who has Lesnar fought from around the world? Hes never fought a single foreign fighter, so how could be be one of the best in the world? Fedor has fought fighters from all corners of the planet.
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Exactly. Lesnar also fights in the most stacked HW division making himself available to fights with the best HW's in the world.
Wow, since when is 2 top HW's considered a stack? Fedor lost we know this, but you're trying to support an argument for a guy who disgraced not only MMA but the UFC HW belt by turtling himself up, going fetal, doing a spinnaroonie and flat out running away two fights in a row. There is no shame in losing, there is shame however in poorly representing your sport on a championship level by showing such a extreme level of cowardice in consecutive fights.
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Hahaha lmfao who has 5-2 Lesnar beaten?
Lesnar cuts a small amount of weight...that makes him a cheater as well, right?
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Stacked HW division? You're talking about the UFC, not Strikeforce.
The UFC HW division is close to being the worst it has ever been. Outside of Cain there is no one. At least when Arlovski and Sylvia were embarrassing it they had each other to fight. Cain gets to choose between a Carwin with a 15 second gas tank, a Brock Lesnar that has a vagina and can't take a punch or a handful of other unproven, untested and most likely under-performing nonames.
Try harder. How much does Dana White pay you to post on here? I hope he pays you in cash and not only facials.
In all current HW rankings, the UFC has at least 6 of the 10 top ranked guys, including #1 and #2.
Case closed.
Let me guess, you are going to claim the rankings are rigged, right?
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JDS is the better heavyweight, but your right Cain and JDS are the only 2 good HWs in the UFC. Dont know where he gets this stacked division idea from...?
The majority of the top ranked HW's in the world are in the UFC according to ANY poll, including #1 and #2 spots. That's why I can claim it's the most stacked.
Got it? Make sense?
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And who has Lesnar fought from around the world? Hes never fought a single foreign fighter, so how could be be one of the best in the world? Fedor has fought fighters from all corners of the planet.
Fedor is toast. Irrelevant in current rankings. Why do you keep bringing him up? Nobody is comparing Brock to Fedor.
BTW...Brock has fought a foreign fighter.
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Wow, since when is 2 top HW's considered a stack? Fedor lost we know this, but you're trying to support an argument for a guy who disgraced not only MMA but the UFC HW belt by turtling himself up, going fetal, doing a spinnaroonie and flat out running away two fights in a row. There is no shame in losing, there is shame however in poorly representing your sport on a championship level by showing such a extreme level of cowardice in consecutive fights.
Is 6 out of 10 stacked enough?
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Wow, since when is 2 top HW's considered a stack? Fedor lost we know this, but you're trying to support an argument for a guy who disgraced not only MMA but the UFC HW belt by turtling himself up, going fetal, doing a spinnaroonie and flat out running away two fights in a row. There is no shame in losing, there is shame however in poorly representing your sport on a championship level by showing such a extreme level of cowardice in consecutive fights.
Well said. Cock Chestnar and Dana have turned the UFC HW division into an embarrassing joke. It speaks wonders about the talent level of that joke of a division when a gigantic pussy like Brock was able to hold the belt for as long as he did. Sad.
Thankfully Strikeforce has assembled true talent for their GP. As a whole though, this is the weakest the HW division has ever been.
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Is 6 out of 10 stacked enough?
Actually i think it's now 5 outta 5 top HW in the world.
Honestly, the two orgs are pretty even imo in terms of HW talent. Each have their big names/top fighters, and each have lower level guys.
But look at the big picture, and compare ALL divisions. You can't possible say that ANY other division remotely competes with the same division of the UFC. They have the must talent-rich fighters of all orgs. The only division remotely close is HW.
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Actually i think it's now 5 outta 5 top HW in the world.
Honestly, the two orgs are pretty even imo in terms of HW talent. Each have their big names/top fighters, and each have lower level guys.
But look at the big picture, and compare ALL divisions. You can't possible say that ANY other division remotely competes with the same division of the UFC. They have the must talent-rich fighters of all orgs. The only division remotely close is HW.
I agree they are similar, but if we're splitting hairs on here technically the UFC has the most ranked HW's.
Here are two sources:
http://www.heavy.com/mma/strikeforce/2011/02/heavymma-february-rankings-heavyweight/ (http://www.heavy.com/mma/strikeforce/2011/02/heavymma-february-rankings-heavyweight/) (7 out of 10 are in UFC)
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-30177 (http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-30177) (6 out of 10 are in UFC)
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Its all debatable at this point. Everyone has an opinion, and mine happens to have been proven TWICE since June.
if he didn't have his first losses until 2015 you'd still claim you were 'proven right' ::)
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if he didn't have his first losses until 2015 you'd still claim you were 'proven right' ::)
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But Fedor lost TWICE this past year, confirming what I had been saying since Fedor turned down a UFC contract and was holding the #1HW ranking hostage. I SPECULATED that Fedor was afraid of some of the HW's in the UFC. So Fedor chose the easier road to pad his record and keep his mystique....until his plan backfired and tarnished his legacy in the eyes of many.
Even Overeem mentioned this recently. http://www.MixedMartialArts.com/news/303244/Overeem-M-1-ruined-Fedors-career/ (http://www.MixedMartialArts.com/news/303244/Overeem-M-1-ruined-Fedors-career/)
M-1 gambled big time and they lost. M-1 turned down a big UFC contract for big $$$. I believe in karma and M-1 was bad karma and it resultated in Fedor losing.. M-1 ruined his career and played with Fedor legacy, too bad!!!
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The best HWs in the world are in Strikeforce. The recent results only confirm that. Meanwhile, you can keep rubbing your dick raw as you watch your hero backpedal around the cage before curling up into the fetal position.
You're right, though. Fedor did go where the talent is. And that talent is in Strikeforce.
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The best HWs in the world are in Strikeforce. The recent results only confirm that. Meanwhile, you can keep rubbing your dick raw as you watch your hero backpedal around the cage before curling up into the fetal position.
You're right, though. Fedor did go where the talent is. And that talent is in Strikeforce.
Was fighting Bigfoot a fight that people really wanted to see? Bigfoot was a 5-1 underdog! Big challenge with a 5-1 underdog.
Why is it that Fedor declined to fight Overeem TWICE?
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That fight was very entertaining and certainly better than anything the UFC HW division has given us over the last 2 years. Unless you consider Carwin gassing and Brock spending TWO fights running around the cage like a pussy to be entertaining. ::)
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That fight was very entertaining and certainly better than anything the UFC HW division has given us over the last 2 years. Unless you consider Carwin gassing and Brock spending TWO fights running around the cage like a pussy to be entertaining. ::)
We can finally agree on something. Fedor/Bigfoot fight was great...one of my favorites of all time. Seeing Fedor get destroyed by a 5-1 underdog was priceless. I felt a little bad that Fedor was embarrassed so greatly, but hey, that's what he gets for dodging the fights we all wanted to see while he was relevant.
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I don't know how Fedor couldn't connect with Silva's cranium. It's the size of one of the Galapagos Islands.
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I don't know how Fedor couldn't connect with Silva's cranium. It's the size of one of the Galapagos Islands.
It must have been the psychic spell that was cast on him ;D
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It must have been the psychic spell that was cast on him ;D
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We can finally agree on something. Fedor/Bigfoot fight was great...one of my favorites of all time. Seeing Fedor get destroyed by a 5-1 underdog was priceless. I felt a little bad that Fedor was embarrassed so greatly, but hey, that's what he gets for dodging the fights we all wanted to see while he was relevant.
wait a minute i thought you had nothing against him and respected him ::)
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The best HWs in the world are in Strikeforce. The recent results only confirm that. Meanwhile, you can keep rubbing your dick raw as you watch your hero backpedal around the cage before curling up into the fetal position.
You're right, though. Fedor did go where the talent is. And that talent is in Strikeforce.
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The best HWs in the world are in Strikeforce. The recent results only confirm that. Meanwhile, you can keep rubbing your dick raw as you watch your hero backpedal around the cage before curling up into the fetal position.
You're right, though. Fedor did go where the talent is. And that talent is in Strikeforce.
Lol. Fedor loosing is the worse thing that could have happened to StrikeForce. Theyre barely hanging on.
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Lol. Fedor loosing is the worse thing that could have happened to StrikeForce. Theyre barely hanging on.
exactly. That's why they handed Silva to him first round I suspect. Should've been an easy fight.
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The best HWs in the world are in Strikeforce. The recent results only confirm that. Meanwhile, you can keep rubbing your dick raw as you watch your hero backpedal around the cage before curling up into the fetal position.
You're right, though. Fedor did go where the talent is. And that talent is in Strikeforce.
90% of the air fizzled out of the whole strikeforce tourney the second they stopped that fight...
I'm pretty sure Coker woke up with a hell of a hangover that next morning ..