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really ?
trumps the budget deficit, the debt, unemployment, our 2 wars (and our secret 3rd war), etc...?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/15/huckabee-abortion-issue-trumps-all/
Several likely GOP presidential candidates have spent the bulk of their time stressing fiscal and economic issues, but Mike Huckabee said Monday that for him the issue of abortion still trumps all other pressing concerns facing the country.
"For me this is an issue that - as I've said before - it transcends all of the political issues," Huckabee said at a fundraiser in Tennessee for the Center for Bioethical Reform, an anti-abortion group.
"I've often said I would gladly lose an election before I would ever yield on the issue of the sanctity of human life," Huckabee added.
The former presidential candidate and former governor of Arkansas has not said if he will run for president again, though he is a leading candidate, according to several recent national polls of the hypothetical battle for the Republican presidential nomination.
His comments differ significantly from potential White House rivals who have spoken little of social issues so far this cycle as Americans continue to overwhelmingly point to the economy as the No. 1 issue on their minds.
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FUCK HUCK!
I don't trust that guy at all - seems like a real greezy hack to me.
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Economy usually trumps all issues
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Economy usually trumps all issues
Right now we are on the brink of collapse fiscally. Social issues really need to be put on the shelf for the time being.
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Economy usually trumps all issues
AGREED and AGREED...
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If you don't have babies, then who's gonna work? Who u gonna tax to pay for your socialist programs?
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If you don't have babies, then who's gonna work? Who u gonna tax to pay for your socialist programs?
Do you think that's why Huck thinks abortion is the most important issue?
If so, let's here his plan to create jobs for all the fully formed human beings who are out of work
before we start worrying about jobs for fetuses
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Do you think that's why Huck thinks abortion is the most important issue?
If so, let's here his plan to create jobs for all the fully formed human beings who are out of work
before we start worrying about jobs for fetuses
Who cares about what Huck thinks?
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Do you think that's why Huck thinks abortion is the most important issue?
If so, let's here his plan to create jobs for all the fully formed human beings who are out of work
before we start worrying about jobs for fetuses
well we could try using tax money to give ppl work and then tax the money that we give them...oh wait we already did that and it resulted in an epic fail...
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Exactly why the nation doesn't elect religious hacks into POTUS office.
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Who cares about what Huck thinks?
Excellent point
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Good for him. He believes life begins at conception and that abortion is murder, so it makes perfectly good sense that this would be one of the most (if not the most) important issues to him.
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Good for him. He believes life begins at conception and that abortion is murder, so it makes perfectly good sense that this would be one of the most (if not the most) important issues to him.
Do you agree with him that it trumps all other political issues?
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Can't agree with that. That said, this is rivaled by some other dumbass putting healthcare reform above the economy.
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Can't agree with that. That said, this is rivaled by some other dumbass putting healthcare reform above the economy.
HAHAHAH careful now youre treading on the sacred acts of straws saviour...
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Can't agree with that. That said, this is rivaled by some other dumbass putting healthcare reform above the economy.
The first thing he worked on was the economy and then he was smart enough to take on health care (which he said he would when he was running) while the Dems had control of both branches of Congress
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Can't agree with that. That said, this is rivaled by some other dumbass putting healthcare reform above the economy.
lolol, it's all about perspective.
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The first thing he worked on was the economy and then he was smart enough to take on health care (which he said he would when he was running) while the Dems had control of both branches of Congress
the actions he took after the stimulus including health care nullified his feble attempt to help the economy...
again how do you encourage businesses to spend and expand?
provide them with as much stability as you can...introducing legislation that makes their health care costs unclear during the recession and expecting them to spend, hire and keep employees is idiotic
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Mike Huckabee is only one of two people whom I will not work hard for if he wins the Repubican nomination. I will still pull the lever for him, but I dont think I will be very motivated. Im not a fan of Huckabee's at all.
That being said, while I may not agree with him here, what he is saying isnt any where near as rediculous as you people are making out. THink about all those abortions that have taken place over the past 30 years. Think of all the potential human brains that were wiped out, that could have been useful for innovation, intelligence, and skills. I keep trying to get you independents to realize that it isnt so easy to seperate economic issues from social issues.
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the actions he took after the stimulus including health care nullified his feble attempt to help the economy...
again how do you encourage businesses to spend and expand?
provide them with as much stability as you can...introducing legislation that makes their health care costs unclear during the recession and expecting them to spend, hire and keep employees is idiotic
Kinda weird.
The first thing he worked on was the economy and then he was smart enough to take on health care (which he said he would when he was running) while the Dems had control of both branches of Congress
How do you figure. His first executive order was to cover up his Presidential records like all those before him (I guess starting with Reagan/Carter) - even though he campaigned on transparency.
Then he signed the State's Childrens Health Insurance Program (or something like that).
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He worked on the economy alright. Lol.
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Mike Huckabee is only one of two people whom I will not work hard for if he wins the Repubican nomination. I will still pull the lever for him, but I dont think I will be very motivated. Im not a fan of Huckabee's at all.
That being said, while I may not agree with him here, what he is saying isnt any where near as rediculous as you people are making out. THink about all those abortions that have taken place over the past 30 years. Think of all the potential human brains that were wiped out, that could have been useful for innovation, intelligence, and skills. I keep trying to get you independents to realize that it isnt so easy to seperate economic issues from social issues.
You do realize the social economic status of the people that usually have abortions don't you? Most are not professors that don't want to fit a child into their world changing research. Given all the scientific data, these abortions would have resulted in a larger number of those in low social economic positions. It has been argued, by a Harvard professor I think, that given the evidence about the types of families that abortions typically arise in, the implementation of abortions in the late 1970s caused the decline of crime rates in the early 1990s (because as we all know, most crime is committed by low income males between the ages of 16-25).
However, I do personally think abortions are wrong. But that is irrelevant. The data that is available is contrary to your point I have highlighted in bold.
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Its really sad that we even have to have this discussion tbh.
I personally am pro life, but feel the govt criminializing abortion does no good at all and is a worse option overall, but its sad that we look at who is killing their kids and saying its ok since those kids most likely would not have jobs or probably committing crime so its ok.
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The first thing he worked on was the economy and then he was smart enough to take on health care (which he said he would when he was running) while the Dems had control of both branches of Congress
Worked on running it even farther into the ground. The economy has been on the back burner since day one for this guy.
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Worked on running it even farther into the ground. The economy has been on the back burner since day one for this guy.
how so?
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Hucklebee is not running imho. He is making good money at fox, is not making an effort to drop the weight, and has a good thing going.
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Straw - have you ever look at the over 200 articles I have detailing exactly how obama is hurting the economy?
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the actions he took after the stimulus including health care nullified his feble attempt to help the economy...
again how do you encourage businesses to spend and expand?
provide them with as much stability as you can...introducing legislation that makes their health care costs unclear during the recession and expecting them to spend, hire and keep employees is idiotic
this is how straw....
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Straw - have you ever look at the over 200 articles I have detailing exactly how obama is hurting the economy?
it would be better if you can actually state one thing and show some actual proof
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it would be better if you can actually state one thing and show some actual proof
::) ::)
1. ObamaCare
2. Drilling Moritorium
3. FINREG
4. EPA regulating carbon.
5. Cap & Trade
Etc etc.
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::) ::)
1. ObamaCare
2. Drilling Moritorium
3. FINREG
4. EPA regulating carbon.
5. Cap & Trade
Etc etc.
you forgot to include to the proof ......as I figured you would
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you forgot to include to the proof ......as I figured you would
I have a thread with over 200 articles with proof.
16.6% UE6 UE is proof.
Lowest labor participation in 40 years is proof.
Record levels on Food Stamps is proof.
Damn you are dense.
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I have a thread with over 200 articles with proof.
16.6% UE6 UE is proof.
Lowest labor participation in 40 years is proof.
Record levels on Food Stamps is proof.
Damn you are dense.
none of those are proof of your claim
are you sure you're really an attorney
really?
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none of those are proof of your claim
are you sure you're really an attorney
really?
::) ::)
Yrah Straw - boom times are here again. Ha ha ha ha.
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::) ::)
Yrah Straw - boom times are here again. Ha ha ha ha.
who said that
I just said you didn't show any cause and effect or anything close to proof
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who said that
I just said you didn't show any cause and effect or anything close to proof
No of course not - in obamaland there is never any causal relationship to ridiculous policies to highercosts, more UE, more welfare worsening debt, and and a worsening economy. Its all just a coincidence. ::) ::)
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I can't find any recent polls on what Americans think is the most important political issue but here is one from last year and Abortion doesn't even make the list
How could Huck be that tone deaf?
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No of course not - in obamaland there is never any causal relationship to ridiculous policies to highercosts, more UE, more welfare worsening debt, and and a worsening economy. Its all just a coincidence. ::) ::)
why not just show some proof of stfu
just pick one of your statement and prove it
that should be easy for you
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why not just show some proof of stfu
just pick one of your statement and prove it
that should be easy for you
Again - I have a thread with over 200 articles detailing the damage done by Obama to the economy. You re free to review it anytime.
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The first thing he worked on was the economy and then he was smart enough to take on health care (which he said he would when he was running) while the Dems had control of both branches of Congress
No. The first thing Obama worked on was the closing of Guantanamo Bay. How is that going by the way?
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No. The first thing Obama worked on was the closing of Guantanamo Bay. How is that going by the way?
yep, that's one of the many things I've criticized him for and I've said more than a few times that in many cases he's extended the abuses of the Bush Administration
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yep, that's one of the many things I've criticized him for and I've said more than a few times that in many cases he's extended the abuses of the Bush Administration
What is wrong with GITMO? Personally, so long as the detainees are give a trial and counsel, I have no problem with it.
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I have a thread with over 200 articles with proof.
16.6% UE6 UE is proof.
Lowest labor participation in 40 years is proof.
Record levels on Food Stamps is proof.
Damn you are dense.
I don't know why you guys even debate this douche at this point. He is one of the most hard-headed, ignorant and uninformed people on here. He's incapable of admitting he's wrong (or even slightly mistaken, for that matter. Hi, George Washington and the post office!), thus rendering any debate with him completely pointless. He lives in fantasy land like the rest of the people in his ultra-liberal California haven.
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yep, that's one of the many things I've criticized him for and I've said more than a few times that in many cases he's extended the abuses of the Bush Administration
Then how is that any different than Huckabee saying that the abortion issue trumps all? Apparently Obama thought Guantanamo trumps all.
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really ?
trumps the budget deficit, the debt, unemployment, our 2 wars (and our secret 3rd war), etc...?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/15/huckabee-abortion-issue-trumps-all/
Several likely GOP presidential candidates have spent the bulk of their time stressing fiscal and economic issues, but Mike Huckabee said Monday that for him the issue of abortion still trumps all other pressing concerns facing the country.
"For me this is an issue that - as I've said before - it transcends all of the political issues," Huckabee said at a fundraiser in Tennessee for the Center for Bioethical Reform, an anti-abortion group.
"I've often said I would gladly lose an election before I would ever yield on the issue of the sanctity of human life," Huckabee added.
The former presidential candidate and former governor of Arkansas has not said if he will run for president again, though he is a leading candidate, according to several recent national polls of the hypothetical battle for the Republican presidential nomination.
His comments differ significantly from potential White House rivals who have spoken little of social issues so far this cycle as Americans continue to overwhelmingly point to the economy as the No. 1 issue on their minds.
I hear that..
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Then how is that any different than Huckabee saying that the abortion issue trumps all? Apparently Obama thought Guantanamo trumps all.
how is not closing Gitmo the same as making a declaration that abortion trumps all other political issues
I don't see the connection
how are those two things equivalent?
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I don't know why you guys even debate this douche at this point. He is one of the most hard-headed, ignorant and uninformed people on here. He's incapable of admitting he's wrong (or even slightly mistaken, for that matter. Hi, George Washington and the post office!), thus rendering any debate with him completely pointless. He lives in fantasy land like the rest of the people in his ultra-liberal California haven.
and 3333 is any different
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I don't know why you guys even debate this douche at this point. He is one of the most hard-headed, ignorant and uninformed people on here. He's incapable of admitting he's wrong (or even slightly mistaken, for that matter. Hi, George Washington and the post office!), thus rendering any debate with him completely pointless. He lives in fantasy land like the rest of the people in his ultra-liberal California haven.
it's simple
333 says Obama is destroying the economy, killing jobs, etc..
all I ask if for one example wtih actual cause and effect proof
how hard it that?
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how is not closing Gitmo the same as making a declaration that abortion trumps all other political issues
I don't see the connection
how are those two things equivalent?
I'm not talking about "not closing Gitmo." I'm talking about Obama trying to close Gitmo first, when the economy should have been his priority.
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and 3333 is any different
Because I have reality to back me up - U6 #, numbers on food stamps, debt, deficit, weekly jobs numbers, failed policies and promises, program after program falling short of the mark, all you have is BOGUS, FEEL GOOD, EMPTY, MULTI-CULTI, trash to support your continues advocacy for the Maddoff-in-Chief. And we all know why - lets be real. If he was Barry McNally, and Irishman from Boston, you libs would have long abandoned this failure. Deal with it. Barry is again benefitting from grade inflation, just like he did his whole life. Sad but true.
By almost every single measure, things are drastically worse than the day the pofs you support took office and pursued his maddoffian agenda.
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it's simple
333 says Obama is destroying the economy, killing jobs, etc..
all I ask if for one example wtih actual cause and effect proof
how hard it that?
Deal with it moron.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=346454.0
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Because I have reality to back me up - U6 #, numbers on food stamps, debt, deficit, weekly jobs numbers, failed policies and promises, program after program falling short of the mark, all you have is BOGUS, FEEL GOOD, EMPTY, MULTI-CULTI, trash to support your continues advocacy for the Maddoff-in-Chief. And we all know why - lets be real. If he was Barry McNally, and Irishman from Boston, you libs would have long abandoned this failure. Deal with it. Barry is again benefitting from grade inflation, just like he did his whole life. Sad but true.
By almost every single measure, things are drastically worse than the day the pofs you support took office and pursued his maddoffian agenda.
Amazing
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I'm not talking about "not closing Gitmo." I'm talking about Obama trying to close Gitmo first, when the economy should have been his priority.
he's got to do more than one thing a time
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was passed on Feb 17th and he was only inaugerated on Jan 20th
is that not fast enough for you?
Now how is trying to close Gitmo ( or not closing it or anything to do with Gitmo) equivalent to someone suggesting that abortion trumps all other issues facing our country
I still don't see the connection
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Because I have reality to back me up - U6 #, numbers on food stamps, debt, deficit, weekly jobs numbers, failed policies and promises, program after program falling short of the mark, all you have is BOGUS, FEEL GOOD, EMPTY, MULTI-CULTI, trash to support your continues advocacy for the Maddoff-in-Chief. And we all know why - lets be real. If he was Barry McNally, and Irishman from Boston, you libs would have long abandoned this failure. Deal with it. Barry is again benefitting from grade inflation, just like he did his whole life. Sad but true.
By almost every single measure, things are drastically worse than the day the pofs you support took office and pursued his maddoffian agenda.
maybe you've forgotten just how bad things were when he took over
I'd like some proof (anything) of cause and effect that something he has done has made the economy worse
some simple quantitative cause and effect proof is all I"m asking for
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333 - here is an example for you
The CBO issued a report in August 2010 which said the stimulus bill has "lowered the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.8 percentage points" and "increased the number of people employed by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million."
Here's a link to the report: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/117xx/doc11706/08-24-ARRA.pdf
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Amazing
Isnt it?
If Obama were named - Bartolo Obamalini from Brooklyn - he already would have been long ousted from office. But no - obama is TBTF and benefits from dolts like yourself who will excuse any malfeasance, any incompetence, any failures, any ridiculousness, any insanity he puts forth, for the sole reason that we can't have the first ____ fail so miserably. We can all imagine the JErsey Shore and mafia 0 jokes given the failures of this admn. But no, we can't do that, god forbid, since Barry is untouchable, regardless of destruction and damage he causes.
And its not his race as the reason he is a complete disaster and pofs and communist failure, its that he has adopted the communist
anti-american ideology and has decided to align himself wth every single failed policy, every anti-american cause, every failed economic theory, and line of thought that has proven itselfa failure and has been discredited over thecourseof history.
You dolts and buffoons who hitched your wagons to the Obama train have only yourselves to blame. You had a chance to elect Hillary, and instead went for the race-based candidate. Now, we all have to suffer as a result of such idiotic thinking. Sad but true.
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333 - here is an example for you
The CBO issued a report in August 2010 which said the stimulus bill has "lowered the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.8 percentage points" and "increased the number of people employed by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million."
Here's a link to the report: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/117xx/doc11706/08-24-ARRA.pdf
and it is still drastically higher than Obama promised, and we hve an extra TRILLION in debt with no way to pay it off.
Funny, too, whe /i posted that they said the employement pool would be decreased by 800,000 you says its false. ::) ::)
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Isnt it?
If Obama were named - Bartolo Obamalini from Brooklyn - he already would have been long ousted from office. But no - obama is TBTF and benefits from dolts like yourself who will excuse any malfeasance, any incompetence, any failures, any ridiculousness, any insanity he puts forth, for the sole reason that we can't have the first ____ fail so miserably. We can all imagine the JErsey Shore and mafia 0 jokes given the failures of this admn. But no, we can't do that, god forbid, since Barry is untouchable, regardless of destruction and damage he causes.
And its not his race as the reason he is a complete disaster and pofs and communist failure, its that he has adopted the communist
anti-american ideology and has decided to align himself wth every single failed policy, every anti-american cause, every failed economic theory, and line of thought that has proven itselfa failure and has been discredited over thecourseof history.
You dolts and buffoons who hitched your wagons to the Obama train have only yourselves to blame. You had a chance to elect Hillary, and instead went for the race-based candidate. Now, we all have to suffer as a result of such idiotic thinking. Sad but true.
all I'm asking for is some quantitative proof counselor
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and it is still drastically higher than Obama promised, and we hve an extra TRILLION in debt with no way to pay it off.
Funny, too, whe /i posted that they said the employement pool would be decreased by 800,000 you says its false. ::) ::)
I don't recall him "promising" anything and that is not your argument anyway
you're saying he's caused economic problems, unemployment etc..
let's see some proof of your claim
maybe you've forgotten we were in the middle of the biggest economic shitstorm since the 1930's when he took office
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all I'm asking for is some quantitative proof counselor
250 + articles - go check it out.
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I don't recall him "promising" anything and that is not your argument anyway
you're saying he's caused economic problems, unemployment etc..
let's see some proof of your claim
maybe you've forgotten we were in the middle of the biggest economic shitstorm since the 1930's when he took office
Wrong asshole - he said that UNLESS we pased the stim bill, UE would go over 8%. now with passing tht aste of $$$, we are at a 9% number that is not even credible considering the numbers who have dropped fromthe workforce.
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Wrong asshole - he said that UNLESS we pased the stim bill, UE would go over 8%. now with passing tht aste of $$$, we are at a 9% number that is not even credible considering the numbers who have dropped fromthe workforce.
he did
that' should be easy to find
maybe you're referring to this: http://otrans.3cdn.net/ee40602f9a7d8172b8_ozm6bt5oi.pdf
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333 - here is an example for you
The CBO issued a report in August 2010 which said the stimulus bill has "lowered the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.8 percentage points" and "increased the number of people employed by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million."
Here's a link to the report: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/117xx/doc11706/08-24-ARRA.pdf
and weve already done the numbers and at best it comes out to paying each person over 100k ...
sorry straw that equals fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't recall him "promising" anything and that is not your argument anyway
you're saying he's caused economic problems, unemployment etc..
let's see some proof of your claim
maybe you've forgotten we were in the middle of the biggest economic shitstorm since the 1930's when he took office
how do you encourage businesses to spend straw?
provide a stable enviroment...
tell me you really think that obama and his agenda has provided businesses with a stable idea of what their expenses will be in the future...
HONESTLY
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So freaking what Straw - we added a TRILLION to the nation debt for what are at best temp jobs going away as soon as the money stops.
How even you can spin that is beyond me. It was a failure. Deal with it.
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So freaking what Straw - we added a TRILLION to the nation debt for what are at best temp jobs going away as soon as the money stops.
How even you can spin that is beyond me. It was a failure. Deal with it.
same old nonsense
no doub the stimulus was deficit financed but that was the only alternative other than your plan of just left everything get a lot worse
how much of Obmama's deficit was due to the Bush tax cuts and how much will the future deficit be due to the extension of the Bush tax cuts
same old bullshit from you every day
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same old nonsense
no doub the stimulus was deficit financed but that was the only alternative other than your plan of just left everything get a lot worse
how much of Obmama's deficit was due to the Bush tax cuts and how much will the future deficit be due to the extension of the Bush tax cuts
same old bullshit from you every day
You mean you have nothing left but to still blame Bush for obama's failures.
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You mean you have nothing left but to still blame Bush for obama's failures.
not blaming Bush for anything that Obama has done but even you understand that we're still living with economic factors created by Bush
would you care to see some proof or will it just be a waste of time
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not blaming Bush for anything that Obama has done but even you understand that we're still living with economic factors created by Bush
would you care to see some proof or will it just be a waste of time
At what point do you assign ANY blame to Obama and the horrific congress we had for the past 4 years?
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not blaming Bush for anything that Obama has done but even you understand that we're still living with economic factors created by Bush
would you care to see some proof or will it just be a waste of time
LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF!!!!!!!!!!!
please straw ive asked you and your ilk countless times to explain how bush caused this economic downturn and have gotten no answers...
perhaps you can take this opportunity to explain how bush caused this....
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At what point do you assign ANY blame to Obama and the horrific congress we had for the past 4 years?
I do blame them
I blame them for starting to get out of Iraq
I blame them for helping improve the economy and perhaps even "saving" it from a much worse decline
As you know I don't agree with all of what them have done ( I have a lot of problems with the so called Financial Reform bill) but I certainly prefer everything they've done to what you suggested which would be to do nothing and let UE get much worse (as you've admitted would happen) and maybe sink the economy into a true depression (which it seems is what you'd like to see happen)
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You do realize the social economic status of the people that usually have abortions don't you? Most are not professors that don't want to fit a child into their world changing research. Given all the scientific data, these abortions would have resulted in a larger number of those in low social economic positions. It has been argued, by a Harvard professor I think, that given the evidence about the types of families that abortions typically arise in, the implementation of abortions in the late 1970s caused the decline of crime rates in the early 1990s (because as we all know, most crime is committed by low income males between the ages of 16-25).
However, I do personally think abortions are wrong. But that is irrelevant. The data that is available is contrary to your point I have highlighted in bold.
But if atleast some of the afluent families have kids who are having abortions, you could be talking about the next Bill Gates. That would make a huge difference. Besides, there aer quite a bit of entreprenuers that come from poor families. I think youre taking a lot for granted. You make a good point about crime, but in general countires do better in the long run when they have higher birth rates.