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Libyan Turmoil Prompts Chinese Naval Firsts
The Wall Street Journal ^ | February 25, 2011 | Jeremy Page
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Libyan Turmoil Prompts Chinese Naval Firsts.
China has sent one of its most modern warships to protect vessels extracting thousands of its citizens from Libya, in the Asian power’s first naval operation in the Mediterranean Sea and its first deployment of military hardware in a civilian evacuation mission.
The Chinese navy diverted the Xuzhou, a 4,000 ton missile frigate, from anti-piracy patrols off the coast of Somalia and dispatched it to the Libyan coast on Thursday, according to a statement on the Chinese Defense Ministry’s web site.
The Chinese government has also sent civilian ships and aircraft to evacuate about half of the roughly 30,000 Chinese citizens Libya amid escalating violence there, in what the state-run Xinhua news agency has described as China’s biggest civilian evacuation operation.
The evacuation reflects the mounting pressure on China’s government to protect the growing number of Chinese citizens living and working overseas, especially in unstable regions where China is seeking supplies of oil and other key raw materials to feed its booming economy.
The Xuzhou’s deployment also illustrates the Chinese navy’s increasing capacity to operate far beyond China’s own shores in order to protect the country’s perceived interests, including the security of its businesses and citizens.
As well as boosting the navy’s public image, the Xuzhou’s deployment could help it secure future funding, particularly for a program to develop aircraft carriers, according to Andrew Erickson and Gabe Collins of China Signpost, a website providing analysis and policy recommendations on China.
“Chinese policymakers now have a precedent for future military operations in areas
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.wsj.com ...
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Team Obama Botches Libya Evacuation, Charters Wrong Boat (while Obama parties to Motown)
Fox News Nation ^ | Friday February 25, 2011
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The U.S. government came under fire today for chartering a rescue boat for Americans stuck in Libya that is too small to cope with the rough Mediterranean sea.
Hundreds of American citizens were finally set to depart Tripoli harbour aboard the Maria Dolores, a small passenger ferry chartered by the U.S., trapped there by rouigh seas.
At the same time larger Greek and Turkish vessels have transported thousands of their own citizens to safety, crossing the choppy water to mainland Europe.
(Excerpt) Read more at nation.foxnews.com ...
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'What took you so long': Stricken Libyan rescue boat finally leaves Tripoli, but why did they take so long to depart?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360120/Libya-unrest-Hundreds-US-citizens-STILL-stranded-Obama-pressure-act-grows.html?printingPage=true
By Oliver Tree
Last updated at 3:45 PM on 25th February 2011
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•Boat packed with U.S. citizens finally sets sail
•Experts ask why a bigger boat wasn't used like the Greeks and Turkish
•Libyans refuse to let U.S. chartered planes land
Hundreds of Americans trapped aboard a rescue ship that was too small to sail in rough weather have finally left Libya this morning.
The 167 stranded U.S. citizens have been holed up on the Maria Dolores since Wednesday, as rough weather has prevented the ship from leaving.
The Dolores left Tripoli at 6:37 am EST and is expected to reach its destination port of Valetta, Malta at around 3:00 pm EST.
Stranded: Hundreds of U.S. citizens are now on their way home
Home: Evacuees from Libya disembark from an Italian Air Force C-130 military plane at Rome's Pratica di Mare military airport
'The ferry carrying American and international citizens from Libya to Malta is finally underway,' U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley tweeted.
According to the State Department there are 285 passengers on board the Dolores, including 167 U.S. citizens and 118 people of other nationalities.
President Obama has been under intense criticism for his muted response to the bloodshed in Libya, with speculation that Colonel Gaddafi had intimidated the White House into silence by blocking the evacuation of U.S. citizens.
And last night, while the Dolores remained stranded, the president enjoyed a White House pop concert in celebration of Black History month.
Tony Munoz Editor of shipping magazine The Maritime Executive said: 'I don't understand why this vessel didn't leave earlier - The Maria Dolores is a new vessel built for Mediterranean seas.
'I can only imagine the captain was refusing to sail because he felt the vessel was not capable enough of taking the sea on.
Speaking to MailOnline, Mr Munoz said that there was no comparison between the 68 metre Dolores and the 204 metre Hellenic Spirit, used by the Greek government to evacuate its citizens from Benghazi.
'The U.S. needed to charter a bigger boat like the Greeks' he said.
'The fully hulled Spirit will be more durable outside a port, this much bigger vessel could take the rough seas on.
'There is no question about it, they [U.S.] should have been out of there long ago - why haven't they chartered a bigger boat like the Greeks or Turkish.
'At the very least, the government should have had a larger back up vessel on the way.'
Escape: These Chinese workers were some of the lucky ones to escape Libya for Crete yesterday
...meanwhile others had to make their own way across Libya's dangerous land border with Tunisia
Tens of thousands of foreigners are trying to flee the chaos in Libya, with Turks and Chinese climbing aboard ships by the thousands, Europeans mostly boarding evacuation flights and North Africans racing to border crossings in overcrowded vans.
The British Government sent three chartered planes to Tripoli, with the first returning in the early hours of Thursday morning.
China has evacuated more than 450 by plane and bus - nearly half of whom were employees of Sinohydro.
India's External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna said Friday that the government would send two flights a day starting Saturday to evacuate some of the 18,000 Indians in Libya. India is also sending ships.
Other countries, such as Greece and Turkey have been able to rescue thousands of their own citizens,despite yesterday's rough weather.
Earlier in the week, State Department official P.J. Crowley said Libyan authorities had refused the U.S. permission to land any chartered aircraft.
'We had requested permission to bring charter aircraft into Tripoli.
'That permission was not granted yesterday [Tuesday].
'We still would like to have permission to bring charters in for any additional Americans who want to leave.'
More...Gaddafi 'personally gave the order for Lockerbie bombing' and I have PROOF, claims dictator's former justice ministerDOMINIC SANDBROOK: A new age of uncertainty. Why Arab turmoil could mean an orgy of bloodletting and rocketing oil prices rather than a Utopian world orderU.S. oil hits $100 a barrel as Libyan crisis deepens'I am extremely sorry': Cameron apologises for delays in rescuing stranded Britons as passengers speak of 'hell' in Libya
It is understood that the Maria Dolores was only allowed to dock in Libya on Wednesday after the State Department contacted the Gaddafi regime to ask permission.
Safe: A Romanian mother and child shake the hand of their rescuer and fellow countryman
Some have suggested the slow evacuation was behind President Obama’s lacklustre performance in condemning Colonel Gaddafi's, regime where thousands are thought to have been killed following protests.
Passengers arriving in Rome and Malta described scenes of chaos and violence at Tripoli's airport, with people pushing and shoving to get onto the few flights taking off Wednesday and Libyan police and security agents kicking and beating them.
Out: British citizens Mick and Jacqueline Davids and their children made it aboard HMS Cumberland, which picked up evacuees from Libya
‘One of my fellow passengers was actually beaten up quite heavily and kicked on,’ said Steffan Arnersten, a 42-year-old Swede who works as a managing director at a technical consulting company. ‘He's quite wounded.’
Sharon, a Maltese arriving home aboard the only one of three scheduled Air Malta flights to make it out Wednesday, said the situation at the airport was desperate.
‘It was just terrible. People fighting for their lives, scrambling over people, pushing, shoving, kicking, everything. It was a mess.’
Libya is one of the world's biggest oil producers — responsible for nearly 2 per cent of the world's oil — and many oil companies were evacuating their expatriate workers and families.
There are an unknown number trapped in isolated desert camps.
British Defence Secretary Liam Fox said yesterday that a number of Nato alliance countries are drawing up plans to rescue the trapped contractors.
Mr Fox said an 'international co-ordinated effort' would be mounted to retrieve workers who are isolated and under threat from armed gangs.
'We may be taking out citizens of other countries, other countries may be taking out UK citizens. The better we have it coordinated and de-conflicted, the better the chances of success,' he said.
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In charge: A Libyan border guard walks through an empty customs hall Eastern Libya is now largely under opposition control
There were also reports that British special forces are in a holding country near Libya, primed and ready to intervene if necessary .
With the violence in Libya escalating, there are increased fears for U.S. citizens remaining in the country.
Yesterday the town of Mistrata came under rebel control, while heavy fighting was reported in the town of Al-Zawiya, less than 40 miles west of Tripoli.
As opposition forces approached the Libyan capital, lorries and armoured cars have been seen picking up dead bodies lying in the street and inside burned-out buildings.
According to sources, the besieged Libyan leader has blocked road junctions into the capital Tripoli with tanks ahead of an expected attack by rebel forces.
'The place is a killing zone - dozens of people are being attacked,' said a Tripoli-based source who had been in contact with residents in the town.
Celebration: Former Libyan army soldiers rejoice at their new found freedom in a military compound in Benghazi
Build up: Violence in the country appears to be escalating, with hired militias battling rebel forces
Rebels: Anti Gaddafi forces are gaining momentum, despite appalling casualties
The news came as French doctors working in Benghazi, the country's second city, reported at least 2,000 deaths in the pro-democracy uprising.
It was further proof that the increasingly unstable but massively rich dictator is ready to invest his country's vast oil wealth to crush resistance.
He is already paying foreign mercenaries to back up his regular forces, who have used everything from helicopter gunships to high velocity sniper rifles to kill insurgents.
Halil Ibrahim Yurttutan, who worked for Libya's Mammar Arabia company in Benghazi said company workers witnessed anti-Gadhafi militias hunting down and killing paid mercenaries from Chad.
‘They were killing whichever mercenary they caught, they were unforgiving.
‘Three were attacked just outside our sight with knives and sharp objects. Two were killed and were lying on the pavement. We took a third one to the hospital but we don't know what happened to him.’
Serdar Taskin, also a Mammar Arabia employee said he saw bodies hanging from electricity poles. But he did not know if they were protesters or Gadhafi supporters.
A passenger of a Dutch military aircraft evacuating people from Libya, carries a baby as he leaves the aircraft after landing in Holland
While the bloodshed continued two Turkish ships took 3,000 citizens from Libya, where an estimated 25,000 Turks live and work.
Passengers cheered and whistled as the two ferries carrying 3,000 Turks docked at Marmaris early Thursday.
Mustafa Oztekin, who worked in the hard hit Eastern city of Benghazi told reporters what he witnessed: ‘Our construction site was pillaged, our camp was looted.
‘We left for the airport thinking that it would be safe but the protesters raided the airport as well.
‘We were terrified but they quickly reassured us that they had nothing against the Turks. They were just against the regime.
Switch: A Libyan policeman who defected mans a checkpoint in the eastern dissident-held Libyan city of Tobruk
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Evacuation planes from Libya have been gathering pace over the last few days.
The first planeload of evacuated Russians landed in Moscow, bringing 118 people, and three more planes were expected.
A ship was also setting sail for Ras Lanuf, the site of Libya's largest refinery and port, to evacuate up to 1,000 Russians, Turks, Serbs and Montenegrins there.
Safe: A woman is welcomed by family members as she arrives from Tripoli at Belgrade's Nikola Tesla international airport in Serbia
Two French military planes evacuated nearly 400 foreigners to Paris from Libya, and a third plane was en route from France.
Two Bulgarian planes returned Wednesday from Tripoli with nearly 200 passengers and Dutch citizens flew home on a military plane.
Hundreds of Italians took Alitalia flights from Tripoli home, and an Italian air force plane landed Wednesday to evacuate others.
Two Italian naval vessels headed to eastern Libyan ports to rescue citizens from Benghazi, Misurata, and other cities where airports had been damaged.
Arriving at Madrid's Barajas airport on a nearly empty Libyan Airlines plane, Venezuelan oil engineer Cesar Orta said he had never witnessed violence but had heard it.
‘You could hear gunshots or fireworks and hear people shouting. I wasn't afraid, but I never left my house at night,’ he said, adding that Tripoli was generally pro-Gadhafi.
Orta said the Libyans he had talked to think the unrest will die down in a week or so.
‘They say things will be OK and that Gadhafi will sort things out,’ Orta said.
Dominguez, who worked as an architectural consultant in Tripoli, said the Libyans he knows were furious with the international community for its hands-off approach.
‘People are very angry with the international attitude,’ he said.
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And last night, while the Dolores remained stranded, the president enjoyed a White House pop concert in celebration of Black History month.
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You really cant make it up anymore.
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so you wanted him to fly down on air force one and pick them up ???
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LMAO.. AWESOME.. THIS GUY IS..
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And last night, while the Dolores remained stranded, the president enjoyed a White House pop concert in celebration of Black History month.
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You really cant make it up anymore.
the weather couldnt be a factor huh.. naaaaaaaaaaa thats too much like right
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so you wanted him to fly down on air force one and pick them up ???
How about him and his fat ass wife cut back on the kobe beef, ribs, wine, champaign, vacations, partying, dancing, and actually do something to help American Citizens for once?
Shit - everyone else was able to get thousands of ther citizens to safety, but Obama and the Gang simply send the SS Minow over there.
Its like having Bonnie & Clyde in the WH. These two grifters are looting the joint while everything burns.
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the weather couldnt be a factor huh.. naaaaaaaaaaa thats too much like right
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Funny - yet all the other countries got thousands out of there. It didnt deter them, only Obama the Party Animal who is too busy boozing, dancing, hip hopping, and making a fool of himself.
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Funny - yet all the other countries got thousands out of there. It didnt deter them, only Obama the Party Animal who is too busy boozing, dancing, hip hopping, and making a fool of himself.
did you hear the reasons why.. before you start talking shot
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US evacuation ferry held up in Libya by high seas
The Associated Press
Posted: 02/23/2011 03:37:03 PM PST
Click photo to enlargePresident Barack Obama, left, with Secretary of State... ((AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais))«123»WASHINGTON—The United States says inclement weather has delayed a ferry from taking American citizens out of Libya to safety.
State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley says high seas have kept the boat in the Libyan capital of Tripoli.
He said Wednesday U.S. citizens are safe on board the boat. It will leave for Malta when weather permits.
The U.S. has said Americans should leave Libya. But the vessel that would evacuate them was late in reaching Tripoli because of swells in the Mediterranean Sea reaching 5 meters.
The slow evacuation has prevented the Obama administration from taking a tougher line on Moammar Gadhafi's regime amid a fierce crackdown on protesters who've taken over large parts of the country.
U.S. officials say their first priority is ensuring the safety of Americans.
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did you hear the reasons why.. before you start talking shot
Yes i did, and its a poor excuse that obviosly did not deter other countries from getting their people out of there.
Obama the party animal could care less, shit - he gave Gadaffi's kids 400k of our money to piss away, you think he gives a rats ass about a few americans dodging the bullets, rocks, and knives of the savages in Libya? I dont.
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Yes i did, and its a poor excuse that obviosly did not deter other countries from getting their people out of there.
Obama the party animal could care less, shit - he gave Gadaffi's kids 400k of our money to piss away, you think he gives a rats ass about a few americans dodging the bullets, rocks, and knives of the savages in Libya? I dont.
how is it a "massive failure" and they are out.. the ferry left.. so point out the failure
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Getting embarassed by the greeks, italians, chinks, turks, and others who go there people out while our are stranded due to the incompetence of this WH is ordering the wrong ship and waiting forver to get them out of there is a massive fal.
Again - we look like 4th rate amatuers again, just like Ferguson said all of the people refer to us now as at world meetings of leaders.
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This guy can't do anything right. I wonder if he's even capable of tying his own shoes in the morning.
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Speaking to MailOnline, Mr Munoz said that there was no comparison between the 68 metre Dolores and the 204 metre Hellenic Spirit, used by the Greek government to evacuate its citizens from Benghazi.
'The U.S. needed to charter a bigger boat like the Greeks' he said.
'The fully hulled Spirit will be more durable outside a port, this much bigger vessel could take the rough seas on.
'There is no question about it, they [U.S.] should have been out of there long ago - why haven't they chartered a bigger boat like the Greeks or Turkish.
'At the very least, the government should have had a larger back up vessel on the way.'
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Obama= living proof of how race based quotas and affirmative action can destroy the most powerful country on earth and cost American lives
What a fucking moron and disgrace to America. I'm surprised he wasn't on stage with the black eyed peas break dancing with a 40 ounce in his hand.
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Obama= living proof of how race based quotas and affirmative action can destroy the most powerful country on earth and cost American lives
What a fucking moron and disgrace to America. I'm surprised he wasn't on stage with the black eyed peas break dancing with a 40 ounce in his hand.
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Are blacks too dumb to realize that he is bad for America and the black community? Outside of Obama being black, what possible rationale could exist for the brothers to blindly support such an incometent buffoon? Well... unless...
Case in point; Would the gay community blindly support Jeffery Dahmer if he was the first gay president? What about hispanics if Eric Estrada was elected president?
Identity politics is designed to brainwash stupid people into acting against their best interests by developing mindless groupthink at the expense of logic and reason.
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just another non story. if he would have got a ship three times the size the far right nuts would have been complaining, what a waste of money a ship 3 times the size as what is needed. this is no more than a rush and beck top story,news for nuts ;D
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Are blacks too dumb to realize that he is bad for America and the black community? Outside of Obama being black, what possible rationale could exist for the brothers to blindly support such an incometent buffoon? Well... unless...
Case in point; Would the gay community blindly support Jeffery Dahmer if he was the first gay president? What about hispanics if Eric Estrada was elected president?
Identity politics is designed to brainwash stupid people into acting against their best interests by developing mindless groupthink at the expense of logic and reason.
If Pelosi, Guiliani, or any other Italo-American were potus and acted like this, I would be the first one to advocate the mussolini option.
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just another non story. if he would have got a ship three times the size the far right nuts would have been complaining, what a waste of money a ship 3 times the size as what is needed. this is no more than rush and beck top story,news for nuts ;D
Its always a non-story when it makes the messiah look like the joke he is. ::)
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bad weather held them there,nothing more :o.move on there's nothing to see ;D
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bad weather held them there,nothing more :o.move on there's nothing to see ;D
If they had the right ship from the get go, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, itwould not have been a problem like the shipping guy said.
Its another fail.
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If they had the right ship from the get go, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, itwould not have been a problem like the shipping guy said.
Its another fail.
And Obama is the ship inspector huh..
strecthing here little guy
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And Obama is the ship inspector huh..
strecthing here little guy
He's too busy drinking, dancing, boozing, partying like there is no tommorow, playing b-ball, to give a shit about details of anything.
Again - he gave 400k to Gadaffi's kids, ok'd the lockerbie bomber release, and is referred to as "my son", so I'm sure something else is afoot there.
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Well it would appear that the US state dept chartered the fairy, now who appoints those people? So maybe the POTUS isn't directly responsible, but they are his people that dropped the ball.
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If they had the right ship from the get go, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, itwould not have been a problem like the shipping guy said.
Its another fail.
Greek and Turkish had thousands of their own citizen so they had a bigger ship. we had around 300 so you have a smaller ship,like i said non story. but i'm sure beck will have it on his chalk board
:D :D
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Greek and Turkish had thousands of their own citizen so they had a bigger ship. we had around 300 so you have a smaller ship,like i said non story. but i'm sure beck will have it on his chalk board
:D :D
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More excuses. Why do we have a Navy again?
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Greek and Turkish had thousands of their own citizen so they had a bigger ship. we had around 300 so you have a smaller ship,like i said non story. but i'm sure beck will have it on his chalk board
:D :D
Yeah it's a non story where it isn't your neck on the line
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and how long would have it taken for the navy to get a ship there ???
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Yeah it's a non story where it isn't your neck on the line
weather held the ship up nothing more. i swear the far right is looking dumber by the day ;D
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weather held the ship up nothing more. i swear the far right is looking dumber by the day ;D
Weather was a problem because they had the wrong ship!
Why didnt it hold back the others from getting their people out?
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weather held the ship up nothing more. i swear the far right is looking dumber by the day ;D
Again as long as its not your neck on the line who care, right?
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Weather was a problem because they had the wrong ship!
Why didnt it hold back the others from getting their people out?
Greek and Turkish had thousands of their own citizen so they had a bigger ship. we had around 300 so you have a smaller ship,like i said non story. but i'm sure beck will have it on his chalk board
:D :D
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So Greece, the most backward country in the developed world, the albatross around the neck of the EU, the most corrupt, incompetent and poorly run state in the region (which by the way is also in the midst of putting down domestic riots over budget cuts) had the foresight to organize an evacuation for several thousand of its citizens without a hitch, yet the United States bungled an operation to evacuate 300?
You really are too stupid to post on this board ( and that is a monumental achievement). Mods should enact IQ tests as a prerequisite for contributing to threads.
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So Greece, the most backward country in the developed world, the albatross around the neck of the EU, the most corrupt, incompetent and poorly run state in the region (which by the way is also in the midst of putting down domestic riots over budget cuts) had the foresight to organize an evacuation for several thousand of its citizens without a hitch, yet the United States bungled an operation to evacuate 300?
You really are too stupid to post on this board ( and that is a monumental achievement). Mods should enact IQ tests as a prerequisite for contributing to threads.
did beck and rush tll u 2 say that ? ::) :-[ :o :( ? ? :( :D ;D :D :D :D :D
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So Greece, the most backward country in the developed world, the albatross around the neck of the EU, the most corrupt, incompetent and poorly run state in the region (which by the way is also in the midst of putting down domestic riots over budget cuts) had the foresight to organize an evacuation for several thousand of its citizens without a hitch, yet the United States bungled an operation to evacuate 300?
You really are too stupid to post on this board ( and that is a monumental achievement). Mods should enact IQ tests as a prerequisite for contributing to threads.
your dumb :D :D :D :D :D :D
Your post about sums up this situation. Blackenpwnt.
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So Greece, the most backward country in the developed world, the albatross around the neck of the EU, the most corrupt, incompetent and poorly run state in the region (which by the way is also in the midst of putting down domestic riots over budget cuts) had the foresight to organize an evacuation for several thousand of its citizens without a hitch, yet the United States bungled an operation to evacuate 300?
You really are too stupid to post on this board ( and that is a monumental achievement). Mods should enact IQ tests as a prerequisite for contributing to threads.
what part of the size of the ship with the amount of people their evacuating don't you understand, but nice paragraphs
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your dumb :D :D :D :D :D :D
Your post about sums up this situation. Blackenpwnt.
haaaaay you back from the pasture :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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your stupid :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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haaaaay you back from the pasture :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
That pic wasnt even him!
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yeah right ;D
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So Blacken, when is something a relevant story for you? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the same c*nt that regales us with youtube clip after youtube clip of vaunted news stories about Sarah Palin, usually coming from the Daily Show?
Thanks for playing. :D :D :D :D :D
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Sounds like the Obama Admn.
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Sounds like the Obama Admn.
:D :D
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Wow look blacken is trying to derail another thread ;D ;D :-* :-* :-X :-X :P :P :) :)
(http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/liberal_idiot.jpg)
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Wow look blacken is trying to derail another thread ;D ;D :-* :-* :-X :-X :P :P :) :)
(http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/liberal_idiot.jpg)
how did i derail the thread, your the one trying to make a story out of nothing ;D
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At least Obama got to party it up last night.
Video not for the faint hearted. Disgusting.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/02/25/obama_first_lady_get_their_groove_on_to_motown_hits.html
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Next time I hope your one of the American citizens stuck in a country that is falling into civil war, then you can comfort everyone how its a non story that the US government is to incompetent to get you to safety.
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bad weather held them up, nothing more
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bad weather held them up, nothing more
Yeah cause they had the wrong fucking boat! Somehow it didnt impede the others from getting their citizens to safety.
But its cool. Obama got to boogie down in the WH and drink and party it up.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/02/25/obama_first_lady_get_their_groove_on_to_motown_hits.html
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Greek and Turkish had thousands of their own citizen so they had a bigger ship. we had around 300 so you have a smaller ship,like i said non story. but i'm sure beck will have it on his chalk board
:D :D
do i have to write this in crayon ;D
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do i have to write this in crayon ;D
No, your childish scribble will do for now.
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No, your childish scribble will do for now.
ok, just as long as you understand ;D
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No, your childish scribble will do for now.
pot meet kettle
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pot meet kettle
Damn right - the quality of your posts lately have gone down into the toilet.
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Damn right - the quality of your posts lately have gone down into the toilet.
lol why because You said so? Im still totally owning your ass to where you are responding with "whatever"..hahahahahaha.. you cant play that monkey ass game with me... i still thrizash you on issues you bring up half cocked...
and another thing.. whats up with the russian missle UK selling secrets thing... ?
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lol why because You said so? Im still totally owning your ass to where you are responding with "whatever"..hahahahahaha.. you cant play that monkey ass game with me... i still thrizash you on issues you bring up half cocked...
and another thing.. whats up with the russian missle UK selling secrets thing... ?
I'll look into if any updates have been reported. For now - we are only dealing with a world on fire and have a govt more concerned with what type of party they are throwing and what type of ribs, kobe beef, steak, burgers, caviar, wine, champaign, and booze to serve.
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So instead of using Marines to conduct a NEO.....NonCombatant Evacuation and Repatriation...a core function of the Marine Corps, they rented a friggen boat. I would understand if a MEU wasn't available but we have troops and air easily available with 48 hrs to conduct an evac. Obama is a boob. I will hold everybody who voted for this assbag to blame until the day I die.
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HH6 - exactly. I no longer blame the Prince of Fools as much as I do that who still cheer this insanity on. They gave us this piece of trash admn and are equally to blame for all of this craziness.
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So instead of using Marines to conduct a NEO.....NonCombatant Evacuation and Repatriation...a core function of the Marine Corps, they rented a friggen boat. I would understand if a MEU wasn't available but we have troops and air easily available with 48 hrs to conduct an evac. Obama is a boob. I will hold everybody who voted for this assbag to blame until the day I die.
LMAOOOO--- Greece somehow managed to get it right, but the most powerful, richest nation on earth basically sent over a paddle boat that could only hold 12 people to rescue 300 from a violent civil war in a foreign country. Change we can believe in!
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Btw - obama is having another motown bash in the wh on monday night.
Gladys Night and the Pimps are performing.
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Btw - obama is having another motown bash in the wh on monday night.
Gladys Night and the Pimps are performing.
Racist post reported.
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Yeah...this is what pisses me off.......he wastes my money on these dirtbag singers and the world burns. Bush fucking stopped playing golf because we had folks dying..small thing but if the "One" did it the MSM would be have nosebleeds. I'm with u 3..I blame the folks who cheerlead him.
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Its the truth. The partying never stops over there.
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Yeah...this is what pisses me off.......he wastes my money on these dirtbag singers and the world burns. Bush fucking stopped playing golf because we had folks dying..small thing but if the "One" did it the MSM would be have nosebleeds. I'm with u 3..I blame the folks who cheerlead him.
When was this? I don't remember Bush ever stopping his golf game... His dad didn't either during Desert Storm.
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Video captured Bush playing golf in 2002, 2003
Bush: "Now watch this drive." On August 4, 2002 -- several months after the United States began bombing Afghanistan -- Bush was filmed speaking to reporters on the golf course. Immediately after denouncing a suicide bombing in Israel, Bush said: "Now watch this drive," then took a swing.
Bush gave up golf; took up biking. On May 13, 2008, Politico reported that Bush said he gave up golf in August 2003, quoting him saying: "I don't want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander in chief playing golf. ... I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal." However, as The Washington Post reported, "Although Bush says he has given up golf, he is a mountain-biking enthusiast who has been photographed taking part in rides. He took up biking after an injury sidelined him from running." Bush was also seen playing golf in October 2003, as a video MSNBC aired shows.
http://mediamatters.org/research/201004190054
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Fact is that if obama were "Barry O'Malley" an irish politician from boston, the media would never let him get away with this daily level of incompetence and disinterest in doing his job.
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See Barry could just cut all the extra bullshit out or not advertise it...but this shitbag takes every perk of the job..while we're broke.
Bush Says He's Not A Golfer In Wartime
President Bush on the golf course in 2002. He said he gave up the game the following year because playing in wartime "sends the wrong signal." (By J. Scott Applewhite -- Associated Press)
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
President Bush said yesterday that he gave up golfing in 2003 "in solidarity" with the families of soldiers who were dying in Iraq, concluding that it was "just not worth it anymore" to play the sport in a time of war.
"I don't want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander in chief playing golf," Bush said in a White House interview with the Politico. "I feel I owe it to the families to be as -- to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."
Bush said he decided to stop playing golf on Aug. 19, 2003, when a truck bomb in Baghdad killed U.N. special representative Sergio Vieira de Mello and more than a dozen others.
He said he received word of the attack while playing golf during a stay at the family ranch near Crawford, Tex. Press reports at the time indicate he took the call from Condoleezza Rice, then his national security adviser.
"They pulled me off the golf course, and I said it's just not worth it anymore to do," Bush said in yesterday's interview
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Sorry... but that's a lie... I have video... check the link.
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He said he quit in 2003.....anything media matters says...is generally bullshit. Soros front.
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He said he quit in 2003.....anything media matters says...is generally bullshit. Soros front.
He said August... where he obviously did golf after August 2003.
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Dude....its about Barry!!!!...we didn't see Bush parade half of Hollywood through the white house....or all the vacations. He owned that ranch. Obama shouldn't be doing all this shit while our friggen oil supply goes up in smoke. He shouldn't be advertising it.
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Dude....its about Barry!!!!...we didn't see Bush parade half of Hollywood through the white house....or all the vacations. He owned that ranch. Obama shouldn't be doing all this shit while our friggen oil supply goes up in smoke. He shouldn't be advertising it.
Okee dokee... You don't think parading these Mega-Church pastors is kind of the same?
Bush had more vacations than any President prior to him... what are you talking about?
Did you get upset when Bush was on vacation and Gas skyrotted after Katrina?
I get you don't like Obama... but can't you at least keep it real?
Why is it that people can not keep it real when they talk about politics?
I don't think Obama is some super great savior... fuck... he ain't done shit for me but get me a few bucks back on my taxes this year, but seriously... he ain't breaking shit anymore than anyone else either.
Republicans just wanna hate Democrats and Democrats just wanna hate Republicans.... All mostly for dumb shit that doesn't change anything.
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Its completely innapropriate while the nation is in economic turmoil and the world is ablaze.
It sends a horrible message. Its gaudy, grotesqe, and greedy.
He and his vile fat ass wife are two grifters who need to be shown the door in 2012, regardless who the gop runs.
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Its completely innapropriate while the nation is in economic turmoil and the world is ablaze.
It sends a horrible message. Its gaudy, grotesqe, and greedy.
He and his vile fat ass wife are two grifters who need to be shown the door in 2012, regardless who the gop runs.
I have never before heard someone call Michelle Obama a fat ass... but ok.
I can't get onboard with the everyone has to be better than Obama tip... sorry man, but there's lots of people who I consider much worse... of course you seem to love them, so whatever.
We will see who the majority of the US goes along with in 2012 though.
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Republicans just wanna hate Democrats and Democrats just wanna hate Republicans.... All mostly for dumb shit that doesn't change anything.
I don't agree with this statement, Obama being a democrat is irrelevant to me, his ideology and mine are polar opposites. I don't like him because represents whats wrong with this country. His complete disregard for the constitution and court rulings to his bush league foreign policy. No one is entitled to anything, you earn it or go without, he is a snake oil salesman creating slush fund all over the place to buy votes with tax payer money, he makes me want to vomit.
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I have a list of at least 200 things I can list off the top of my head that he has done that are beyond reprehensible and set a new standard for galling behavior by a hack politician.
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I don't agree with this statement, Obama being a democrat is irrelevant to me, his ideology and mine are polar opposites. I don't like him because represents whats wrong with this country. His complete disregard for the constitution and court rulings to his bush league foreign policy. No one is entitled to anything, you earn it or go without, he is a snake oil salesman creating slush fund all over the place to buy votes with tax payer money, he makes me want to vomit.
How is any of this any different than damn near every politician ever.
If you look back at the past 20 years, how many of them had some genius foreign policy? None.
How many of them did exactly the same things as obama in regards to getting votes? All.
I am not saying people have to like him... I certainly don't care if anyone does, but I think you're being dishonest if you think it's not for some underlying reason aside from his policies, because most of his policies have already been done or tried or what have you and people didn't act like this about them.
No one said those people HATE AMERICA.
Did anyone say Romney HATES AMERICA when he made his Healthcare plan? I don't recall that... however, it looks a lot like the one Obama had passed.
Maybe I just see things a little differently, but it seems like the vitriol that people have had for the past 2 presidents is unheard of... I know it's the worst I've ever seen in my life time... Even worse than Carter.
I have a list of at least 200 things I can list off the top of my head that he has done that are beyond reprehensible and set a new standard for galling behavior by a hack politician.
Maybe so... but everyone is not going to agree with you on all 200 points.
Welcome to America.
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How is any of this any different than damn near every politician ever.
If you look back at the past 20 years, how many of them had some genius foreign policy? None.
How many of them did exactly the same things as obama in regards to getting votes? All.
I am not saying people have to like him... I certainly don't care if anyone does, but I think you're being dishonest if you think it's not for some underlying reason aside from his policies, because most of his policies have already been done or tried or what have you and people didn't act like this about them.
No one said those people HATE AMERICA.
Did anyone say Romney HATES AMERICA when he made his Healthcare plan? I don't recall that... however, it looks a lot like the one Obama had passed.
Maybe I just see things a little differently, but it seems like the vitriol that people have had for the past 2 presidents is unheard of... I know it's the worst I've ever seen in my life time... Even worse than Carter.
Maybe so... but everyone is not going to agree with you on all 200 points.
Welcome to America.
Romney's healthcare plan and Obama's have nothing in common, the state has the right to implement, the federal government doesn't plain and simple. Obama is a product of the Chicago political machine, the same group of assholes that have run my home state into the ground with their corrupt bullshit. So now we get to see IL politics at the national level, not good for you, not good for me, and definitely not good for America.
Obama makes Carter look like a rank amateur
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All of the worst things we hated w bush have been tripled w this admn.
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Okee dokee... You don't think parading these Mega-Church pastors is kind of the same?
Bush had more vacations than any President prior to him... what are you talking about?
Did you get upset when Bush was on vacation and Gas skyrotted after Katrina?
I get you don't like Obama... but can't you at least keep it real?
Why is it that people can not keep it real when they talk about politics?
I don't think Obama is some super great savior... fuck... he ain't done shit for me but get me a few bucks back on my taxes this year, but seriously... he ain't breaking shit anymore than anyone else either.
Republicans just wanna hate Democrats and Democrats just wanna hate Republicans.... All mostly for dumb shit that doesn't change anything.
Nonsense and typical of libs who bury their heads in the sand. By the time Barry ended his first year, he had already been on television twice as many times as Bush in 8 years. Bush hung out at his ranch in Texas and went to Camp David. Barry goes to Hawaii, Europe, Asia and holds weekly pop concerts for musicians and hollywood flunkies at the oval office. In just over two years, Barry has spent virtually every moment as commander and chief either in front of the teleprompter, fielding soft ass questions from handpicked audiences, shooting hoops with the "brothers", playing golf, making appearences on the tonight show, at Chicago Bulls games, vacationing on the tax payers dime, apologizing for how horrible America is, or miserably campaigning for fellow democrats. You are trying to get into semantics concerning when Bush stopped playing golf? What fucking difference does it make if it was in 2002 or 2003? The point is that he took his job seriously and at least appeared like he took an interest in his responsibilities. What was Barry doing with the middle east crumbling, the US economy on the verge of disaster, Asia in dire straights ( food inflation, food riots and uprisings are around the corner), fuel prices rising and any number of other critical events unfolding? He decided to do a breakout session at Cleveland State University to discuss job growth workshops with clinically retarded college students (its basically a community college in a shit area), he held a concert and movie screening of "thurgood" for black history month and went out of his way to meddle in the affairs of the state of Wisconsin-- supporting lawlessness and unrest. Point blank, he is a fucking disgrace and failure to America and the world (except within the black community in America and amongst white liberals who pee sitting down). I could write a book on his failures and stupidity while in office-- in 2 years he has already far surpassed anything Bush ever did in 8 years-- which is something I used to think was fucking impossible.
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The issue is that it appears we have a complete breakdown of functioning govt and have gone from bad to worse w obama.
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More damn parties.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/02/25/another_party_wh_announces_gladys_knight_to_perform_on_monday.html
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lol this shit is hilarious.. you are some fuckin idiots i swear
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Ha ha ha ha ha - so says the clown who supported the stim bill, thinks bamacare did not go far enough, and whose only concern with this admn is that they did not go far enough on the crazy and WTF policies.
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Ha ha ha ha ha - so says the clown who supported the stim bill, thinks bamacare did not go far enough, and whose only concern with this admn is that they did not go far enough on the crazy and WTF policies.
From the clown who said with absoolute conviction that said
Obama called swat on Grandmothers
Well is Security called SWAT
Someone called SWAT
In truth.. no swat was called
The same asshole that said "Insurance sent me a letter saying Because of Obamacare my bill is high
In truth i read the proceedings of the hearing and why the rates were hiked for that specific insurance "atlantis" and they made no mention of healthcare bill.. they said it was from something in 2008
The same dick head bitch that said that Obama spent 200mil a day and figured the number was true because some indian blogger said it
The exact same fuckface homo said that Obama sold secrets to Russia, but there is no investegation, nothing reported in news.. and business as usual... hmm interesting.
The same dickface that thinks simple supply and demand economics..hahahaha are applied to Oil prices and speculation of the most corrupt and easiest manipulated commodity on the market is high because we dont drill of the gulf... hahahahah what a retard.
son go back to sleep
i could go on.. i gotta make my coffee...
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Supply and demand is a component of it jackass.
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Supply and demand is a component of it jackass.
lol...keep telling yourself that..hahahahahahahha.. what a tool
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Well - I guess if you are a deluded lib - then of course supply and demand does not come in to play in economic debates.
Must be "big oil" or bushes' fault for sure.
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Well - I guess if you are a deluded lib - then of course supply and demand does not come in to play in economic debates.
Must be "big oil" or bushes' fault for sure.
Like how you ignored all the rest.. now you are trying to interject your own sarcastic reasoning to try to dilute the argument because it is too complex for you.. guess you like checkers over chess.. hahahahahahahahahaha what a noob... this guy actually the supply of oil is low and thats why we have high prices.. hahahahahhh what a fucking tard
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Like how you ignored all the rest.. now you are trying to interject your own sarcastic reasoning to try to dilute the argument because it is too complex for you.. guess you like checkers over chess.. hahahahahahahahahaha what a noob... this guy actually the supply of oil is low and thats why we have high prices.. hahahahahhh what a fucking tard
Yeah, the brilliant Option Douche is playing chess for sure. ha ha hA HA HA. Fucking idiot. I have run in to some seriously ignorant people in my life, but damn, bro WTF - you dont think supply and demand, or at least perceived suppland demand by specuators has anything to do with the price? Oh lord. No wonder you support this admn.
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Yeah, the brilliant Option Douche is playing chess for sure. ha ha hA HA HA. Fucking idiot. I have run in to some seriously ignorant people in my life, but damn, bro WTF - you dont think supply and demand, or at least perceived suppland demand by specuators has anything to do with the price? Oh lord. No wonder you support this admn.
OHHH WEEEE. look at this dumb shit liars back pedaling .. went from Straight S&D to "perceived" S&D..hahahahahaha you but dumbass all your shit has caught up.. typical 333 take a hard stance and then slowly back off.. hahhah i own you and have been doing so for the better part of about 9 months.. S&D is the real reason gas prices are high??hahaha you are a total joke.. oh yead still waiting on the missle shit from russia.. fuckin dumb shit.. "Supply is low and thats why gas prices are high" hahahahaha dumb ass ::)
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can't we all just get along ;D
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OHHH WEEEE. look at this dumb shit liars back pedaling .. went from Straight S&D to "perceived" S&D..hahahahahaha you but dumbass all your shit has caught up.. typical 333 take a hard stance and then slowly back off.. hahhah i own you and have been doing so for the better part of about 9 months.. S&D is the real reason gas prices are high??hahaha you are a total joke.. oh yead still waiting on the missle shit from russia.. fuckin dumb shit.. "Supply is low and thats why gas prices are high" hahahahaha dumb ass ::)
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High gas prices can make you stop and think about your commute. See hybrid car pictures to see models that save you money.In May 2008, average gas prices in the United States approached, and in some places passed, $4.00 a gallon, shattering records. But this was nothing new to American consumers. May was a month of records that broke one after another, and that came on the heels of months of rising prices.
Gasoline is the bloodline that keeps America moving, and tracking gas prices can feel like a roller coaster ride. They're down a little one month, up the next, and then they shoot up more than 50 percent in a year. Plus, they're different depending on where you look. Other countries -- and even other states and cities -- can have very different gas prices from your local Gas-N-Go. To the average person, it probably seems as though there's little rhyme or reason to how gas prices are determined. In this article, we will look at the forces that impact the price of gas at the pump, and we'll find out where your gas money actually goes.
Americans have an insatiable thirst for gasoline. Just look at the amount of traffic on roads and highways, and you'll see that a severe gas shortage would practically cripple the United States. Americans drive nearly 3 trillion miles per year, according to the Motor and Equipment Manufacturer's Association [source: MEMA]. That's about 820 trips from the sun to Pluto and back.
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Typically, the demand for gas spikes during the summer, when lots of people go on vacation. Holidays like Memorial Day and the Fourth of July create logjams of tourist traffic during the summer. This high demand usually translates into higher gasoline prices. Cleaner-burning summer-grade fuels, which are more expensive to produce, can increase the price as well, but prices don't always go up in summer. For instance, while gas prices soared 31 cents in April and early May of 2001, reaching $1.71 per gallon (which seems inexpensive compared to today's prices), prices actually declined during the 2001 summer.
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In 2004, prices continued to rise past the end of the summer travel season for a variety of reasons, including several hurricanes and an increase in the price of crude oil. And in 2005, Hurricane Katrina (along with a sizable increase in crude oil prices) pushed prices to $3.07 per gallon on September 5. Prices settled down somewhat in November and December of 2005. But now the numbers are among the highest they've ever been, only recently dipping back below the $4.00 mark after a month of average prices at $4.06 for a gallon of regular gas in July 2008 [source: EPA]. It seems the record high prices encouraged people to drive less, which in turn drove down demand and subsequently, prices. Whether the price drop is the beginning of a trend remains to be seen.
Price increases generally occur when the world crude-oil market tightens and lowers inventories. We will discuss who controls the crude-oil market later. Also, growing demand can sometimes outpace refinery capacity. In the spring, refineries perform maintenance, which can place a pinch on the gasoline market. By the end of May, refineries are usually back to full capacity.
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LMAOOOO--- Greece somehow managed to get it right, but the most powerful, richest nation on earth basically sent over a paddle boat that could only hold 12 people to rescue 300 from a violent civil war in a foreign country. Change we can believe in!
a 600 passenger paddle boat ::)
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Nonsense and typical of libs who bury their heads in the sand. By the time Barry ended his first year, he had already been on television twice as many times as Bush in 8 years. Bush hung out at his ranch in Texas and went to Camp David. Barry goes to Hawaii, Europe, Asia and holds weekly pop concerts for musicians and hollywood flunkies at the oval office. In just over two years, Barry has spent virtually every moment as commander and chief either in front of the teleprompter, fielding soft ass questions from handpicked audiences, shooting hoops with the "brothers", playing golf, making appearences on the tonight show, at Chicago Bulls games, vacationing on the tax payers dime, apologizing for how horrible America is, or miserably campaigning for fellow democrats. You are trying to get into semantics concerning when Bush stopped playing golf? What fucking difference does it make if it was in 2002 or 2003? The point is that he took his job seriously and at least appeared like he took an interest in his responsibilities. What was Barry doing with the middle east crumbling, the US economy on the verge of disaster, Asia in dire straights ( food inflation, food riots and uprisings are around the corner), fuel prices rising and any number of other critical events unfolding? He decided to do a breakout session at Cleveland State University to discuss job growth workshops with clinically retarded college students (its basically a community college in a shit area), he held a concert and movie screening of "thurgood" for black history month and went out of his way to meddle in the affairs of the state of Wisconsin-- supporting lawlessness and unrest. Point blank, he is a fucking disgrace and failure to America and the world (except within the black community in America and amongst white liberals who pee sitting down). I could write a book on his failures and stupidity while in office-- in 2 years he has already far surpassed anything Bush ever did in 8 years-- which is something I used to think was fucking impossible.
Not to mention the Beer Fest and spending more in less than two years than all previous presidents combined.
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Ok... again Mr 33333, because you arent able to grasp he notion that simple supply and demand dont apply here is this
"oh my supply is low...have to jack up the prices"
Prices are jacked up.. people stop driving
Oil companies still make record profits...
If you cant respect that your whole perspective is wack
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Ok... again Mr 33333, because you arent able to grasp he notion that simple supply and demand dont apply here is this
"oh my supply is low...have to jack up the prices"
Prices are jacked up.. people stop driving
Oil companies still make record profits...
If you cant respect that your whole perspective is wack
Ahhh shittt kid-- dope rhyme yo--- chicka chicka wa wa--- RESPECT THAT YOUR WHILE PERSPECTIVE IS WACK--- WHAT WHAT!??! WHO WANT IT SON?
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Ahhh shittt kid-- dope rhyme yo--- chicka chicka wa wa--- RESPECT THAT YOUR WHILE PERSPECTIVE IS WACK--- WHAT WHAT!??! WHO WANT IT SON?
what in sam hill are you talking about
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Ok... again Mr 33333, because you arent able to grasp he notion that simple supply and demand dont apply here is this
"oh my supply is low...have to jack up the prices"
Prices are jacked up.. people stop driving
Oil companies still make record profits...
If you cant respect that your whole perspective is wack
Bro - go Hope & Change your diaper. I just gave you two sources confirming supply and demand is very much a part of oil and gas prices. Stop kneepadding Obama - its unbecoming already. If his name was Barry O'Malley from Arizona and a repub you would be up in arms over all the WTF policies we are getting from this admn. .
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Bro - go Hope & Change your diaper. I just gave you two sources confirming supply and demand is very much a part of oil and gas prices. Stop kneepadding Obama - its unbecoming already. If his name was Barry O'Malley from Arizona and a repub you would be up in arms over all the WTF policies we are getting from this admn. .
This has nothing to do with obama.. let it go.. its not either this or that.. black or white.. its checkers and chess.. like i said..
if the supply is low and prices have to rise...
people stop driving,
but profits are record breaking.. for all oil companies..
Price gouging hearing
this has nothing to do with obama... so can it
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This has nothing to do with obama.. let it go.. its not either this or that.. black or white.. its checkers and chess.. like i said..
if the supply is low and prices have to rise...
people stop driving,
but profits are record breaking.. for all oil companies..
Price gouging hearing
this has nothing to do with obama... so can it
::) ::)
Yeah, option Douche knows more than John Hofmesiter - I got it. ::) ::) Again - stop kneepadding Obama - being a 95% er is unbecomoing of someone in medical school who should know better.
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please stop being dumb.. this shit was happening before obama and is gonna happen after obama.. i know you like to blame him for everything that is wrong with the country.. like it was all good before he took office.. (kind of how it was bush took over after Bill) but this isnt a political thing.. your retarded ass cant understand that everything isnt red and blue.. its GREEN you fuck tard..
They yell this supply shit but had leased drilling sites off in Anwar when they had the chance.. but they didnt touch it because they can go in with OPEC and jack up their prices and take kick backs and its all good. Your dumb ass needs to take a good look at this without your "i hate obama" goggles, and see oil prices for what they are.. ...Fuck i cant fathom someone who claims to be in the know cant figure this one out..
Officials probe charges of gasoline-price gouging
Officials in North Carolina, Texas and Florida are investigating claims of price gouging as gasoline prices soared across large swaths of the nation in the wake of Hurricane Ike.
Gasoline prices edged up further Tuesday even as oil prices fell another 5% to a seven-month low on weak global demand and a strengthening dollar. "I don't think I've ever seen as much of a disconnect," says Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst at the Oil Price Information Service.
The nationwide average price for a gallon of regular gasoline was $3.85 Tuesday, up 1.2 cents since Monday and about 20 cents the past week, AAA says. Gas prices have spiked as Ike, which tore through Texas last weekend, shut down about 20% of the nation's oil refining capacity. Hardest hit: the Southeast, Mid-Atlantic and Midwest, which receive their gasoline from the Gulf region.
But consumers say some stations are taking advantage of the price jumps. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said Tuesday his office has gotten hundreds of complaints about price gouging for gasoline as well as lodging, food and generators.
Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum has issued subpoenas to four companies after receiving several hundred price-gouging complaints. And North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper subpoenaed seven North Carolina gas stations allegedly charging at least $5.49 a gallon.
"There's no excuse for ripping off consumers who are already hurting from high gas prices," he says.
Samuel Duncan, president of Duncan Oil, which operates a Big D convenience store in Murphy, N.C., that was targeted by Cooper, says he charged $4.99 a gallon for regular gasoline over the weekend only after the wholesale price he pays rose $1.86 to $5.56. "It's totally erroneous charges," he says.
Also dismissing the gouging claim was Jeff Lenard of the National Association of Convenience Stores. He says there are huge disparities in gasoline prices among stations in the same town. With gasoline in short supply because of the refinery outages, stations affiliated with major brands, such as ExxonMobil and Chevron, are more likely to get deliveries and at sharply lower prices, he says.
Kloza agreed, saying non-branded stations are paying up to $1.50 more than branded outlets.
Twelve refineries in the Gulf area remain shut down after two have started up again, the Energy Department said Tuesday. The agency says there appears to be no major damage, though some are without electricity. It says it's optimistic that much of the capacity will be back online within a week.
Meanwhile, Kloza says, gasoline prices will likely rise to $4 a gallon and remain high until early October. By November, he says, gas prices could plunge to as low as $3 per gallon as they resume a more normal correlation to falling crude oil prices. Crude oil for October delivery fell $4.56 Tuesday to settle at $91.15 per barrel. Crude prices are off about 38% from their July 11 peak of $147.27.
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ok.. im done with this guy..
dude if youre gonna keep making my argument for me, then why do i have to even post.. price goes up 85c that fast.. ...how did the supply chain get cut off that fast. The Oil company's favorite word is SPECULATION..with that they can justify any hike... and still make RECORD PROFITS.. not record gross, which would be explainable.. its RECORD PROFITS. and thats when people back away from driving.. stop being an idiot and do the math
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God damn im nice..
333 you wish i dissapeared huh
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ok.. im done with this guy..
dude if youre gonna keep making my argument for me, then why do i have to even post.. price goes up 85c that fast.. ...how did the supply chain get cut off that fast. The Oil company's favorite word is SPECULATION..with that they can justify any hike... and still make RECORD PROFITS.. not record gross, which would be explainable.. its RECORD PROFITS. and thats when people back away from driving.. stop being an idiot and do the math
Hey moron - when Obama got elected prices went down to $1.84 a gallon correct? Why are they going to $5 now?
1. Drilling bans in the gulf
2. QE2
3. Devaluation of the dollar
4. Killing drilling in Alaska
5. EPA running amok all over the place.
5. Supply and Demand fears in the ME
6. Increased DEMAND worldwide
All of these factors are adding pressures upwards on prices.
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Hey moron - when Obama got elected prices went down to $1.84 a gallon correct? Why are they going to $5 now?
1. Drilling bans in the gulf
2. QE2
3. Devaluation of the dollar
4. Killing drilling in Alaska
5. EPA running amok all over the place.
5. Supply and Demand fears in the ME
6. Increased DEMAND worldwide
All of these factors are adding pressures upwards on prices.
LMAO... hahahahah epo.. kill yourself bro.. seriously,, go to the window and jump.. Supply and demand "fears" what the fuck are you talking about. ..weak dollar blah blah.. ask yourself..is there any competetion in oil companies... huh... why all the mega mergers.. Exxon and Mobil, Chevron and Texaco, or Conoco and Phillips. Because there is no competetion. OPEC defines itself as a competition-limiting cartel..OMG... Dude read something before you just start talking..
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Bump for what? I feel like its the twilight zone discussing things with you on these issues. Saying supply and demand has no impact on the price of oil is so laughable I don't even know where to start.
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Bump for what? I feel like its the twilight zone discussing things with you on these issues. Saying supply and demand has no impact on the price of oil is so laughable I don't even know where to start.
right.. youve been owned.. i thought you would like to comment on the other dynamics.. but its over you pea brain.. go back to the sky is falling rants
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right.. youve been owned.. i thought you would like to comment on the other dynamics.. but its over you pea brain.. go back to the sky is falling rants
So lets take your argument to its logical conclusion - if the crazis take over SA, Nigeria, and Venezuela and blow up the oil rigs and wells, what is the most likely impact on price?
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Libya & Kenya: Mama Sarah Obama visit to Gadhafi Palace in Tripoli has caused jittery in the family
Jaluo Blog ^ | June 3, 2010 | Leo Odera Omolo
The controversial trip recently made to Tripoli, Libya by Mama Sarah Obama, the step grand mother of US President Barack Obama Jnr has caused jittery and big split within the Obama family in Alego Kogelo Nyang’oma backyard in Kenya.
Mama Sarah Obama, the 88 year old step grand mother who sprung into fame immediately soon after the election victory of her step grand son Barack Obama jnr as the President of the United States of America, the most powerful nation on earth has visited other countries including Saudi Arabia and Rwanda.
The Obama family in Kenya is currently embroiled in serious dispute about where the Kenya government should build the Kshs 100 million Barack Hussein Obama Cultural Center in Nyang’oma village.
Mama Sarah Obama visited Tripoli last month in the company of her youngest son Saidi Obama, a main and other person and were lavishly entertained by President Gadhafi in his Tripoli Palace.
The motive of the visit to Tripoli by Mama Sarah Obama remained unclear, but other unconfirmed reports says President Obama got the wind of the visit and appeared to have been embarrassed as he is said to have phoned his cousin Saidi Obama expressing his disappointment at what was going on around his Kenyan ancestral home backyard.
A source confided to us that it was the first time the US President used harsh tone in conversation with his cousin. Mr. Saidi Obama, however, could not be reached for his immediate comments.
Visitors at the Obama rural home in Alego Kogelo at the weekend were shown a huge album of containing a series of photographs of Mama Sarah Obama, her host Gadhafi and her entourage. It is believed some niceties had changed hands during the visit.
(Excerpt) Read more at blog.jaluo.com ...
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So lets take your argument to its logical conclusion - if the crazis take over SA, Nigeria, and Venezuela and blow up the oil rigs and wells, what is the most likely impact on price?
What you dont seem to understand is OIL dosent follow the same market model as other raw commodites...it just dosent...what dont you understand about that
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What you dont seem to understand is OIL dosent follow the same market model as other raw commodites...it just dosent...what dont you understand about that
33 is confusing like that. Sometimes he says the president is just a puppet of some evil NWO run by vampires and dick cheney from a secret castle, counting their trillions$.
Other times, it's all the libs fault for everything that's been wrong with US policy for the last 30 years. Big business isn't shady at all, etc
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So lets take your argument to its logical conclusion - if the crazis take over SA, Nigeria, and Venezuela and blow up the oil rigs and wells, what is the most likely impact on price?
The crazies will not "blow up" anything... What people and you don't seem to realize is that these "crazies" want the money that comes from these oil rigs and wells just as much as the "non-crazies" do.
How you can say one group is more crazy than the other I have no idea though.
They all want the power and the money... period.
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Sorry to break up the ignorance running amok between 240 and mal as usual - but here you go
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Media Hides Real Reason for Rise in Gas Prices
Posted By Ron Futrell On February 27, 2011 @ 8:17
Fill ‘er up folks. Gas prices in Southern California have hit $4.59 a gallon.
Oh, the media has finally started covering “Pain at the Pump” but they are not giving us the real reasons for the jump. Unrest in the middle east has given the cabal of President Obama and the media, “cover” to blame others for the spike to the stratosphere.
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The real reasons are three-fold, with unrest in the middle east being the least of the three.
1) Devaluation of the dollar. The incessant printing of money by this administration began the rise of gas prices months long before the middle east blew up. I’m no Alan Greenspan, but I can figure out that if oil prices are tied to the dollar, and you print more dollars, the oil price will go up, up, up.
2) An energy policy that calls for less drilling for oil at home, not more.
3) Unrest in the middle east.
We only hear about #3 in the ongoing effort for the media to protect this President and his policies that are destructive to America. I wrote about much of this late last year. [2] No surprise we are seeing it now.
The activist old media intentionally ignores Obama’s role in rising gas prices. His name is intentionally kept miles away from any story dealing with higher gas prices.
When Bush was in the White House the media had no problem reporting the fact that the rise in oil prices were due to the depreciation of the dollar, [3] but they seem to have forgotten that little fact today. Can’t point the finger at Dear Leader.
What is President Obama’s energy policy, anybody know? He says very little on the issue and his media seems afraid to ask him. Here’s a clue. Obama says he would prefer prices rise with a “gradual adjustment” [4] instead of an immediate rise. We have had a gradual rise since he has entered the White House. Mission accomplished.
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Obama has suspended much of the drilling for oil in the gulf, ANWR still sits silent up there in Alaska, and an increase in regulations has made it difficult for oil companies to drill new wells. The Green Movement, which this president so adores, is now costing us all billions of dollars. By the way, if you complain to the activist old media and leftist politicians about this, they will not hear you. They have a planet to save and they have been hoping for this rise in prices. This is a “tax” on us all, and the poor are hardest hit.
We had news this month about new oil fields that could open in this country due to a new process of finding that oil called “fracking.” [6] Good, let’s move now and get the stuff. Aren’t we trying to “win the future?”
As for the unrest in the Gulf, the media still doesn’t like telling us where America gets its oil. Egypt has no oil and Libya doesn’t even make the top 10. Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela are the top 4. While our domestic production continues to take a dive, imports are increasing at a frightening rate. Here’s a great site [7] with many of the facts on oil that the media ignores in its reporting.
Certainly, some of this spike can be blamed on perception, not reality, which is also crucial when considering the price of oil. Some of that is happening here but I’ve got some reality fer ya, drill here, drill now! How long have we been hearing that tune while the leftist politicians and their activist old media shout it down? Drill here, drill now. [8]
The media takes great pride in how it is there to help the little guy from anything bad that might happen to him (you’ve seen the promos.) Okay, help the little guy. Tell him the truth about why oil prices are wasting away at what little cash might remain in his wallet after he tries to pay his mortgage and the increased food and clothing costs.
When do we get serious about American energy independence? Don’t count on the media to get this story right while Obama is in the White House, sadly, it probably won’t happen until we get a new President–or until somebody tells Obama that golf balls are made out of oil.
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Article printed from Big Journalism: http://bigjournalism.com
URL to article: http://bigjournalism.com/rfutrell/2011/02/27/media-hides-real-reason-for-rise-in-gas-prices/
URLs in this post:
[1] Image: http://bigjournalism.com/files/2011/02/ADDITION_Gas_Prices_CAPS102.jpg
[2] I wrote about much of this late last year.: http://bigjournalism.com/rfutrell/2010/12/13/pain-at-the-pump-wheres-the-media/
[3] depreciation of the dollar,: http://www.geotimes.org/apr08/article.html?id=WebExtra041508_2.html
[4] “gradual adjustment”: http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/11/obama-id-like-higher-gas-prices-just-not-so-quickly/
[5] Image: http://bigjournalism.com/files/2011/02/gas_prices_rise1.jpg
[6] “fracking.”: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j19p_VRpnsy7NiY3OyVDiaNeQQFw?docId=6de288f3cefa4d77bdabdc9f66560410
[7] great site: http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1215711977.php
[8] Drill here, drill now.: http://drillheredrillnow.com/
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the price spike in the last week is because of the speculators on whats happening in libya and egypt
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the price spike in the last week is because of the speculators on whats happening in libya and egypt
I thought Cheneys' secret energy meetings were to blame?
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those were to blame 5 years ago