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When was this? He still has a job? wow. Someone had the balls to speak the truth. Dylan sure does nail it sometimes.
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When was this? He still has a job? wow. Someone had the balls to speak the truth. Dylan sure does nail it sometimes.
Yesterday. lol.
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Yeah Dylan Ratigan gets it right sometimes. He also wants to end the Federal Reserve which is why I can't believe msnbc stills allows him to be on the air. The treatment of PFC Manning by the Army is horrendous. I cannot believe that this is allowed to go on. He hasn't even been convicted of a crime yet. Welcome to the new American Gestapo police state where you are guilty until proven innocent.
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what I heard him say was the left doesn't want to criticize Obama on the issue of how Manning is being treated because he is a "liberal, black, democratic president"
why does your brain only hear "black" and nothing else?
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Yeah ok straw. Whatever.
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Yeah ok straw. Whatever.
watch the video again and tell me exactly what he says at 44 thru 46 seconds
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wow, quote taken totally out of context. You removed words before and after the word - and still left it in quotes.
jayson blair in the hizzy.
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Yeah ok whatever you too dildos. Everyone knows exactly what is going on. If obama was a white irish pol from boston he would never get away w a fraction of the treasonous shit you fools accept and tolerate all out of your white guilt syndrome.
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Yeah ok whatever you too dildos. Everyone knows exactly what is going on. If obama was a white irish pol from boston he would never get away w a fraction of the treasonous shit you fools accept and tolerate all out of your white guilt syndrome.
this is why it's completely pointless to engage you in coversation
you hear and see whatever you want to hear and see
hey - did you ever post that quote by LBJ or did you just imagine that too
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Not yet. Post mostly from my phone lately.
And tell me straw - why did ratigan toss in obamas race if he meant solely that leftists like yourself don't hold obama accountable for anything because he is simply "liberal"????
He used the term" black" because anyone w a shred of honesty knows that if this were hillary, john edwards, or biden himself doing what obama does - you clowns would be all over them. Its called white liberal guilt.
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Not yet. Post mostly from my phone lately.
And tell me straw - why did ratigan toss in obamas race if he meant solely that leftists like yourself don't hold obama accountable for anything because he is simply "liberal"????
He used the term" black" because anyone w a shred of honesty knows that if this were hillary, john edwards, or biden himself doing what obama does - you clowns would be all over them. Its called white liberal guilt.
race was one of three things he mentioned and frankly I don't think even think he is correct
there are plenty of liberals who criticizing the Obama administration up to and including the State Departmetn which is part of his own administration
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Please - the left called for bush to be dragged to the Hauge for geneva violations and now sit silent when bama does the same thing.
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Please - the left called for bush to be dragged to the Hauge for geneva violations and now sit silent when bama does the same thing.
have you heard any criticism of the treatment of Manning or is this the first time you've heard of it
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Yeah, a few minor voices on DU. But that's it.
Nothing like the daily drum beat from all outlets against bush rumsfeld cheney etc. Same with gas prices.
Typical left wing double standards.
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Yeah, a few minor voices on DU. But that's it.
Nothing like the daily drum beat from all outlets against bush rumsfeld cheney etc. Same with gas prices.
Typical left wing double standards.
You're a fan of ThinkProgress.org right?
This is from February 5th and has links to numerous sources who have criticized his treatment:
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/05/kucinich-bradley-manning/
Here is a video from Rattigans very own network
I'm sure the network that devotes virtually 24 hours a day to criticizing everything the Dems and Obama do have probably spent a lot of time criticizing him on the treatment of Manning too but for some reason I couldn't find any links
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I thought 33333386 just couldn't fit the rest of the quote in the title box.
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You're a fan of ThinkProgress.org right?
This is from February 5th and has links to numerous sources who have criticized his treatment:
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/05/kucinich-bradley-manning/
Here is a video from Rattigans very own network
I'm sure the network that devotes virtually 24 hours a day to criticizing everything the Dems and Obama do have probably spent a lot of time criticizing him on the treatment of Manning too but for some reason I couldn't find any links
Manning should be tortured to death on live television.
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I thought 33333386 just couldn't fit the rest of the quote in the title box.
he actually removed the word "liberal" from BEFORE the word "black".
He wanted to make it as inflammatory as possible, pushing that big ol race button.
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Oh please. Now the truth is "inflammatory" ?
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Oh please. Now the truth is "inflammatory" ?
you changed his quote.
Why did you do that?
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Oh no, he has to strip naked and wear a bulky set of clothing to bed! How unfair! Maybe that'll learn him for making a smart ass remark about hanging himself with his underwear. Nothing I've heard seems inhumane about his treatment. What's the inhumane treatment? Solitary for 23 hours a day? Plenty of prisoners are in that situation. No sympathy from me.
Props to Ratigan for a moment of clarity. I'm sure the higher ups at MSNBC bitched him out after he said that.
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don't forget the many getbiggers that hailed this dirtbag and his girlfriend assange a hero because some of their info made obama look bad.
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Like who?
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What's funny is that Assange and Wikileaks have thrown this guy under the bus. Should be a lesson for any future whistleblowers.
Even more interesting considering all the reports coming out that Assange was ridiculously low down the totem pole on these leaks and now he's getting the glory.
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Like who?
no need to point fingers. we all know which ones were defending assange - then suddenly changed their tune once it was revealed just how much his BS was putting our people at risk.
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Manning and assange are two different cases.
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Manning and assange are two different cases.
I'm betting you'll be retracting that shortly.
So the traitor sucks - but the person who publicizes everything that puts our men at risk - he's cool?
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LIBERAL DOUBLE STANDARDS AT WORK
________________________ ________________________ __
The Narrative from the Left: Bush Bad, Obama Good
March 8, 2011
Bush military tribunals = Bad
Obama military tribunals = Good
Bush deficits = Bad
Obama bigger deficits = Good
Bush 4.8% unemployment = Bad
Obama 9.4% unemployment = Good
Bush wiretapping program = Bad
Obama wiretapping program = Good
Bush innocents killed in Afghanistan = Bad
Obama innocents killed in Afghanistan = Good
Bush chiding China President over human rights = Bad
Obama silent on Chinese human rights = Good
Bush accepting big money from special interests = Bad
Obama accepting bigger money from special interests = Good
Bush 4 lobbyists in administration = Bad
Obama 12 lobbyists in administration = Good
Bush abusing alcohol = Bad
Obama snorting cocaine & smoking weed = Good
Bush suppressed college transcripts = Bad
Obama suppressed college transcripts = Good
Bush vacations to home in Texas = Bad
Obama vacations at lavish resorts abroad = Good
Bush troop surge = Bad
Obama troop surge = Good
Bush insulting US enemies = Bad
Obama insulting US allies = Good
Bush called racist in error = Bad
Obama screaming racism twice in error = Good
Bush ignores Katrina victims = Bad
Obama ignores TN flood and Oil disaster victims = Good
Bush doesn't fail on oil rig inspections = Bad
Obama fails on oil rig inspections = Good
Bush beholden to Wall Street = Bad
Obama beholden to Wall Street = Good
Bush Gen. "Betray-us" = Bad
Obama Gen. Petraeus = Good
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LIBERAL DOUBLE STANDARDS AT WORK
________________________ ________________________ __
The Narrative from the Left: Bush Bad, Obama Good
March 8, 2011
Bush military tribunals = Bad (poor folks won't be able to get to work or transport their kids)
Obama military tribunals = Good (signs of economic growth/green jobs.....'now I can hock these silly electric card nobody will buy').
Bush deficits = Bad
Obama bigger deficits = Good
Bush 4.8% unemployment = Bad
Obama 9.4% unemployment = Good
Bush wiretapping program = Bad
Obama wiretapping program = Good
Bush innocents killed in Afghanistan = Bad
Obama innocents killed in Afghanistan = Good
Bush chiding China President over human rights = Bad
Obama silent on Chinese human rights = Good
Bush accepting big money from special interests = Bad
Obama accepting bigger money from special interests = Good
Bush 4 lobbyists in administration = Bad
Obama 12 lobbyists in administration = Good
Bush abusing alcohol = Bad
Obama snorting cocaine & smoking weed = Good
Bush suppressed college transcripts = Bad
Obama suppressed college transcripts = Good
Bush vacations to home in Texas = Bad
Obama vacations at lavish resorts abroad = Good
Bush troop surge = Bad
Obama troop surge = Good
Bush insulting US enemies = Bad
Obama insulting US allies = Good
Bush called racist in error = Bad
Obama screaming racism twice in error = Good
Bush ignores Katrina victims = Bad
Obama ignores TN flood and Oil disaster victims = Good
Bush doesn't fail on oil rig inspections = Bad
Obama fails on oil rig inspections = Good
Bush beholden to Wall Street = Bad
Obama beholden to Wall Street = Good
Bush Gen. "Betray-us" = Bad
Obama Gen. Petraeus = Good
You miss one:
High gas prices under Bush - Bad
High gas prices under Obama - Good
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lol. I have been arguing with these dopes for MONTHS abou this!
We need to keep adding to this list.
Shit - We should do an Obama one all by himself:
Obama 2008 - Individual Mandate Bad
Obama 2012 - Individual Mandate Good
Obama 2008 - Raising debt limit bad
Obama 2012 - Raising debt limit good
obama 2008 - Bill Tauzin Bad
Obama 2012 - Bill Tauzin good.
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watch the video again and tell me exactly what he says at 44 thru 46 seconds
What does he say from 46 seconds onward?
"because the political machine has been immobilized because it is a liberal black democratic president who is in charge the left, by my opinion, doesn't want to criticize. Eventhough, he is exhibiting behavior, that were it to be a right wing or a WHITE MAN, the left would be holding vigils..."
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What does he say from 46 seconds onward?
"because the political machine has been inmobolized because it is a liberal black democratic president who is in charge the left, by my opinion, doesn't want to criticize. Eventhough, he is exhibiting behavior, that were it to be a right wing or a WHITE MAN, the left would be holding vigils..."
LMAO.
Can't wait for 240 and Straw's spin on that.
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What does he say from 46 seconds onward?
"because the political machine has been immobilized because it is a liberal black democratic president who is in charge the left, by my opinion, doesn't want to criticize. Eventhough, he is exhibiting behavior, that were it to be a right wing OLDER WHITE MAN, the left would be holding vigils..."
Correction made.
He is still making the racial distinction.
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What does he say from 46 seconds onward?
"because the political machine has been immobilized because it is a liberal black democratic president who is in charge the left, by my opinion, doesn't want to criticize. Eventhough, he is exhibiting behavior, that were it to be a right wing or a WHITE MAN, the left would be holding vigils..."
First he says right wing (aka Republican) and then white and like I said I page one I don't agree with Rattigan as there had already been quite a bit of criticism of the treatment of Manning and even on Rattigans own network.
Second - Democrats and people on the left have been critical of Obama on many issues. Remember when he "caved" on the Bush tax cuts and the Dems were highly critical (supposedly there were meetings in the House where Reps supposedly were saying things like "fuck Obama". I guess his race wasn't an issue then.
How about all the criticism he received from Dems during the health care process last summer for not supporting single payer and compromising on many other points. Again, if Obama's race were an issue then why didn't it prevent Dems from criticizing him them
Rattigan's opinion is just wrong (IMO)
Here's a clue for you. Just because someone on TV says something doesn't mean that its true
Try to remember that for future reference
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Straw - get bck to me when we see a daily 24/7 assault by, NYT, WaPO, LAT, NYDN, NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, etc.
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LIBERAL DOUBLE STANDARDS AT WORK
________________________ ________________________ __
The Narrative from the Left: Bush Bad, Obama Good
March 8, 2011
Bush military tribunals = Bad
Obama military tribunals = Good
Bush deficits = Bad
Obama bigger deficits = Good
Bush 4.8% unemployment = Bad
Obama 9.4% unemployment = Good
Bush wiretapping program = Bad
Obama wiretapping program = Good
Bush innocents killed in Afghanistan = Bad
Obama innocents killed in Afghanistan = Good
Bush chiding China President over human rights = Bad
Obama silent on Chinese human rights = Good
Bush accepting big money from special interests = Bad
Obama accepting bigger money from special interests = Good
Bush 4 lobbyists in administration = Bad
Obama 12 lobbyists in administration = Good
Bush abusing alcohol = Bad
Obama snorting cocaine & smoking weed = Good
Bush suppressed college transcripts = Bad
Obama suppressed college transcripts = Good
Bush vacations to home in Texas = Bad
Obama vacations at lavish resorts abroad = Good
Bush troop surge = Bad
Obama troop surge = Good
Bush insulting US enemies = Bad
Obama insulting US allies = Good
Bush called racist in error = Bad
Obama screaming racism twice in error = Good
Bush ignores Katrina victims = Bad
Obama ignores TN flood and Oil disaster victims = Good
Bush doesn't fail on oil rig inspections = Bad
Obama fails on oil rig inspections = Good
Bush beholden to Wall Street = Bad
Obama beholden to Wall Street = Good
Bush Gen. "Betray-us" = Bad
Obama Gen. Petraeus = Good
what idiot compiled this list
On virtually everyone of this issues you can find criticism of Obama from the left
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First he says right wing (aka Republican) and then white and like I said I page one I don't agree with Rattigan as there had already been quite a bit of criticism of the treatment of Manning and even on Rattigans own network.
Second - Democrats and people on the left have been critical of Obama on many issues. Remember when he "caved" on the Bush tax cuts and the Dems were highly critical (supposedly there were meetings in the House where Reps supposedly were saying things like "fuck Obama". I guess his race wasn't an issue then.
How about all the criticism he received from Dems during the health care process last summer for not supporting single payer and compromising on many other points. Again, if Obama's race were an issue then why didn't it prevent Dems from criticizing him them
Rattigan's opinion is just wrong (IMO)
Here's a clue for you. Just because someone on TV says something doesn't mean that its true
Try to remember that for future reference
Shut up, fool. My comment is only about what this man is stating.
In that clip he is clearly talking about race. Just because you put a lot of words together in an attempt to support your delusional thinkings doesn't make you right.
The clip is very clear what he is talking about. If you wish to continue to persist in your stupidity be my guest.
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Where other than DU or Kos ? ?
And even at those sites - you have a ton of kneepadding.
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Straw - get bck to me when we see a daily 24/7 assault by, NYT, WaPO, LAT, NYDN, NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, etc.
why would any of the networks (even Faux News) do that
the only one who would do something like are you and other far right wing, American haters like you
Ron should start an board just for you so that you can stop polluting this one on a daily basis
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why would any of the networks (even Faux News) do that
the only one who would do something like are you and other far right wing, American haters like you
Ron should start an board just for you so that you can stop polluting this one on a daily basis
The media was against Bush 24/7 on all fronts and have given obama a pass for things it previously trashed Bush over.
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Shut up, fool. My comment is only about what this man is stating.
In that clip he is clearly talking about race. Just because you put a lot of words together in an attempt to support your delusional thinkings doesn't make you right.
The clip is very clear what he is talking about. If you wish to continue to persist in your stupidity be my guest.
LoL - classic getbig idiot
if you don't want me to respond then don't quote me and then ask me a question
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The media was against Bush 24/7 on all fronts and have given obama a pass for things it previously trashed Bush over.
the media was not all over Bush 24/7 on "all fronts" but I'm sure you believe it to be true
Rattigans statement (his opinion) is demonstrably false and you, as usual, key in on only one thing he said which was about Obama's race and ignored everything else
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So is he saying he gets a pass because he is a "liberal"?
Would that make it any better?
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So is he saying he gets a pass because he is a "liberal"?
Would that make it any better?
he's wrong in everything he is saying in regards to the treatment of Manning
there had been criticism of how Manning is being treated
I've given you just a few examples of very vocal criticism of Obama by people in his own party so why is his race all of a sudden a reason why Dems or people on the left haven't been critical of the treatment of Manning (again - a claim that is clearly not true to begin with)
the entire premise is false
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he's wrong in everything he is saying in regards to the treatment of Manning
there had been criticism of how Manning is being treated
I've given you just a few examples of very vocal criticism of Obama by people in his own party so why is his race all of a sudden a reason why Dems or people on the left haven't been critical of the treatment of Manning (again - a claim that is clearly not true to begin with)
the entire premise is false
Criticism where straw?
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Criticism where straw?
go back to the first page
I already gave you examples
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go back to the first page
I already gave you examples
Straw- even though i probably dsagree with you 99% of issues, I consider you at least engaged, informed, and up to date on a lot of this stuff.
The average moron does not scour the web and still gets news from major outlets.
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Straw- even though i probably dsagree with you 99% of issues, I consider you at least engaged, informed, and up to date on a lot of this stuff.
The average moron does not scour the web and still gets news from major outlets.
I gave you a clip from MSNBC
the very same place where you got the clip on which you started this thread
my clip (on Rattigans own network) shows a Democratic US Congressmen criticizing the Obama administrations treatment of Manning
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I gave you a clip from MSNBC
the very same place where you got the clip on which you started this thread
my clip (on Rattigans own network) shows a Democratic US Congressmen criticizing the Obama administrations treatment of Manning
MSNBC has a niche audience. i'm talking about the major outlets that the average dolt still listens to.
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MSNBC has a niche audience. i'm talking about the major outlets that the average dolt still listens to.
your clip on the first post of this thread is from MSNBC
the entire premise of your thread is based on the opinion from a 3rd string commentator from MSNBC
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your clip on the first post of this thread is from MSNBC
the entire premise of your thread is based on the opinion from a 3rd string commentator from MSNBC
Who was stating the obvious that most obamabots refuse to acknowledge.
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Who was stating the obvious that most obamabots refuse to acknowledge.
except for the fact that
1. there has been criticism of the Obama administration's treatment of Manning
2. there has been a lot of criticism of the Obama administration by members of his own party on numerous other issues so I don't see why his race would suddenly be an issue when it comes to Manning (and the answer that is because the Rattigans premise is false to begin with)
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except for the fact that
1. there has been criticism of the Obama administration's treatment of Manning
2. there has been a lot of criticism of the Obama administration by members of his own party on numerous other issues so I don't see why his race would suddenly be an issue when it comes to Manning (and the answer that is because the Rattigans premise is false to begin with)
The two ladies agreed with him no?
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The two ladies agreed with him no?
so what
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so what
Meaning that you seem th odd man out on this, not Dylan.
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Meaning that you seem th odd man out on this, not Dylan.
I'm given your sources to show his statement that there has been no criticism of Manning is incorrect and I've given you examples of vocal criticism of Obama by his own partty which occured in spite of the fact that Obama was black then too
Both statement by Rattigan are provably false so it makes no difference to me whether 2 people on his show agree with him or not
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I'm given your sources to show his statement that there has been no criticism of Manning is incorrect and I've given you examples of vocal criticism of Obama by his own partty which occured in spite of the fact that Obama was black then too
Both statement by Rattigan are provably false so it makes no difference to me whether 2 people on his show agree with him or not
Like I said - i'm talking about the major outlets like abc, nbc, cbs, WAPO, LAT, Usa Today, Newsday, Daily News, NYT, etc.
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Like I said - i'm talking about the major outlets like abc, nbc, cbs, WAPO, LAT, Usa Today, Newsday, Daily News, NYT, etc.
your whole thread is based on the demonstrably false opinion of a back bencher on MSNBC
I've shown you proof that it's false
maybe you can explain why Obama's race is supposedly a factor on this topic yet didn't prevent Dems from criticizing him for extending the Bush Tax cuts (to give you one of many possible examples)
Why wasn't his race a factor then?
Wasn't Obama black then too?
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your whole thread is based on the demonstrably false opinion of a back bencher on MSNBC
I've shown you proof that it's false
maybe you can explain why Obama's race is supposedly a factor on this topic yet didn't prevent Dems from criticizing him for extending the Bush Tax cuts (to give you one of many possible examples)
Why wasn't his race a factor then?
Wasn't Obama black then too?
If I remember correctly - Obama played the victim card on that and claimed he was being held hostage. he did not act like the protagonist inthat episode even though he really was.
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If I remember correctly - Obama played the victim card on that and claimed he was being held hostage. he did not act like the protagonist inthat episode even though he really was.
that didn't stop members of his own party from criticizing him
why didn't they care about his race then
how about during the healthcare debates when they also criticized him
I think he was black then too
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that didn't stop members of his own party from criticizing him
why didn't they care about his race then
how about during the healthcare debates when they also criticized him
I think he was black then too
Please - those voices were minute compared to the overwhelming screams in favor of obamacare at the time.
Remember the "RAM IT THROUGH" crap we heard daily from the Dems?
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Please - those voices were minute compared to the overwhelming screams in favor of obamacare at the time.
Remember the "RAM IT THROUGH" crap we heard daily from the Dems?
I'd argue against that but in order to stay on topic of your thread let's stick with the Bush Tax cuts
why didn't Obama's race prevent Dems from criticizing him on that issue
or even more directly, why is Obama's race preventing Dems from criticizing him on the treatment of Manning
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I'd argue against that but in order to stay on topic of your thread let's stick with the Bush Tax cuts
why didn't Obama's race prevent Dems from criticizing him on that issue
or even more directly, why is Obama's race preventing Dems from criticizing him on the treatment of Manning
I think they are talking in terms of what these same people have demonstrated in the past against a repub or other dem. The so called "criticism" has been tepid at best.
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I think they are talking in terms of what these same people have demonstrated in the past against a repub or other dem. The so called "criticism" has been tepid at best.
are those pics from the US ?
people often post pics like that on this site and I think many of them might actually be from protests outside of the US
still waiting for you to explain why Obama's race is preventing Dems from criticizing Obama regarding Manning
that's the premise of your thread and I presume you believe it so just give us an explanation of why Obama's race is an issue on this topic
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are those pics from the US ?
people often post pics like that on this site and I think many of them might actually be from protests outside of the US
still waiting for you to explain why Obama's race is preventing Dems from criticizing Obama regarding Manning
that's the premise of your thread and I presume you believe it so just give us an explanation of why Obama's race is an issue on this topic
What i believe is that if Obama were a 60 y/o white politican named "Barry O'Malley" from Boston, MA, he would be getting fried daily from everyone,including WAPO, NYT, LAT, ABC, NBC, CBS, USA Today, etc and many many manymore in his own party, and much more more loudly and pronounced.
The criticism we have seen so far as been mostly from bloggers, internet forums, and niche sites
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What i believe is that if Obama were a 60 y/o white politican named "Barry O'Malley" from Boston, MA, he would be getting fried daily from everyone,including WAPO, NYT, LAT, ABC, NBC, CBS, USA Today, etc and many many manymore in his own party, and much more more loudly and pronounced.
The criticism we have seen so far as been mostly from bloggers, internet forums, and niche sites
I think most politicians don't see any benefit to them in saying anything about this right now
criticizing how he is allegedy being treated could be misinterpretted as supporting the guy
this is not a battle most politicians would want to have and certainly not with their own party
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what I heard him say was the left doesn't want to criticize Obama on the issue of how Manning is being treated because he is a "liberal, black, democratic president"
why does your brain only hear "black" and nothing else?
truth
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your clip on the first post of this thread is from MSNBC
the entire premise of your thread is based on the opinion from a 3rd string commentator from MSNBC
exactly right....this is the problem I often have with 3333's threads.....he plucks some quote from some guy no one gives a damn about and who has no credibility and puts it in Neon lights as the truth..but when a reputable commentator quotes favorable comments about Obama, he ignores it and says its just the liberal left loonies and it doesn't count.....AMAZING HYPOCRISY
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Ratigan has no credibility?
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Ratigan has no credibility?
He's not exactly a first-stringer....yes I will say he has credibility but how about the other commentators out there who are more prominent than him who have said favorable things about Obama?
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He's not exactly a first-stringer....yes I will say he has credibility but how about the other commentators out there who are more prominent than him who have said favorable things about Obama?
George W. Bush Jr. & Sr., Barbara Bush, Jeb Bush, et al dont count.
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George W. Bush Jr. & Sr., Barbara Bush, Jeb Bush, et al dont count.
why not?