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WEST DES MOINES, Iowa — Sarah Palin, the reigning heroine of many social conservatives, has given few signals that she will make a presidential bid. Mike Huckabee, who won the Iowa caucuses in 2008 on the strength of his appeal to evangelicals and other constituencies, has mostly offered reasons for not joining the race.
Best known as a fiery presence on cable television and the founder of the House Tea Party caucus, she is now exploring whether to seek the Republican presidential nomination. And early reaction to her in Iowa, where she was born and raised, suggests not only that she might do it, but also that she could have a substantial impact on the race.
On a break between meeting voters and conducting radio and television interviews — a staple of nearly every day — Ms. Bachmann took a seat in the bar of a hotel here and left no doubt that she was serious about running.
“It isn’t that I was born thinking I had to be president,” she said, leaning in and talking softer than she does on television or at Tea Party rallies. “I’m getting a lot of encouragement to run from people across the country. I don’t believe this is a rash decision.”
There is a pecking order in Congress, and Ms. Bachmann’s televised Tea Party response to the president’s State of the Union address irritated House Republican leaders, who had already rebuffed her when she sought a leadership position this year. But there are no rules of seniority in presidential politics, where exploring a candidacy takes little more than an airplane ticket to an early-voting state and a roster of curious party activists.
After a four-day visit to Iowa late last month in which Ms. Bachmann declared “I’m in!” at several stops, it became clear that Republicans were taking notice. At a minimum, the clamor among some social conservatives for Ms. Palin to run has quieted as the attention surrounding Ms. Bachmann has grown.
“If Congresswoman Bachmann gets in, she has the potential to appeal to a lot of people who might have gone for Governor Palin,” Gov. Terry E. Branstad of Iowa said in an interview. “Imagine if they both got in. That could make it really interesting.”
Ms. Bachmann would have substantial obstacles to overcome. She has already made some high-profile gaffes — including declaring late last month that the opening shots of the Revolutionary War took place in New Hampshire, not Massachusetts — that raise questions about her preparation for the scrutiny of a national campaign.
Her Congressional office has experienced considerable turnover, including five chiefs of staff in the last four years. A former chairman of the Minnesota Republican Party, Ron Carey, resigned after five months in the post. He told reporters in Minneapolis that he would not support her presidential bid, saying, “She’s not going to be an electable candidate for us.”
Still, Ms. Bachmann, who turns 55 this week, demonstrated her national fund-raising ability by raising a record-setting $13 million last year in her House race.
While voters at this stage may be more inclined to listen than to sign on the dotted line, the energy she creates among leading conservative groups is unmatched by anyone but Ms. Palin.
“If Sarah doesn’t do something, she may find that the field has been pre-empted,” said Danny Carroll, a former state representative and a leading conservative activist. He said he did not know any Republicans who had recently heard from Ms. Palin.
Kent Sorensen, a Republican who was elected last fall to the Iowa Senate and has become a leader in the Tea Party movement, has signed up to work for Ms. Bachmann if she proceeds with a campaign.
“I don’t want to bash Sarah Palin, but she lacks substance,” Mr. Sorensen said. “I believe Michele Bachmann has more substance. I think she’d mop the floor with her, if you want me to be frank.”
Here in Iowa, where the caucuses are expected to open the party’s nominating fight, Ms. Bachmann has at least one other selling point she repeats to every audience.
“I come here as one of you — an Iowan!” Ms. Bachmann said on the steps of the Capitol, her voice amplified so much it could be heard a few blocks away.
Ms. Bachmann, who moved to Minnesota as a teenager, eagerly recounted how her Norwegian ancestors settled near Waterloo, Iowa. And she confides that she was raised a Democrat — she and her husband, Marcus, worked for Jimmy Carter’s 1976 campaign — but she had an awakening reading a Gore Vidal book that she found to be “mocking our founding fathers.”
There is no other potential Republican candidate who delivers more crowd-pleasing one-liners — usually at President Obama’s expense. They come in a rapid-fire staccato with barely enough time for the applause to fade between punch lines.
1 2 What we need is a change of address form for the person living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue,” she said over loud laughter. As she talked about what she contended was government expansion under the new health care law, she declared, “I want a waiver from the last two years of President Obama!”
Beyond her effect on any potential Palin candidacy, Ms. Bachmann’s entry into the race could have implications for other candidates seeking to appeal to the same slices of the electorate.
Tim Pawlenty, a former governor of Minnesota, is from the same state and is trying to appeal to the Tea Party movement. Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania might lose whatever advantage he has among voters whose leading concern is opposing abortion rights. Mitt Romney is already struggling to explain the health care law he signed as governor of Massachusetts, and no candidate criticizes the health care plan pushed through Congress by Mr. Obama louder than Ms. Bachmann.
Ms. Bachmann said that if she joined the race, she intended to do so by early summer, leaving plenty of time to organize for the Iowa Straw Poll in August, which would be the first test of her influence on the field.
At the hotel here, Ms. Bachmann sounded less sure of herself when answering spontaneous questions than when delivering speeches at large rallies. She served six years in the Minnesota Senate and is in her fifth year in Congress. Asked if she thought she would face questions about her experience, she paused for the first time in the interview.
“I think that’s a good question, because people need to know the background of the person they will entrust with this greatest nation on earth,” she said. “I come from a modest background. I put myself through college and law school and a postdoctorate program in tax law.”
She also raised 5 children and 23 foster children, making her especially popular among conservative families. Ms. Bachmann appeared at a gathering of parents who home-school their children, where several voters, in interviews, mentioned Ms. Palin. The most obvious traits Ms. Bachmann shares with Ms. Palin may be their brown hair and their sex — people do not often approach Newt Gingrich and say he reminds them of Haley Barbour — but she said she was not bothered by being asked about parallels.
“I personally like Sarah Palin; she’s a lovely person,” Ms. Bachmann said. “I’ve had the privilege of meeting her and being with her on three different occasions.”
Ms. Bachmann said that all potential candidates needed to make their own decisions about entering the presidential race and that hers would not be influenced by anyone else’s candidacy.
“We need a strong, bold constitutional conservative who won’t back down and who will fight for the values we believe in,” she said. “That’s what we need for our nominee, whether it is me or whether it is someone else.”
the face of the repub party in a nut shell :D
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I would take M. Bachmann any day over the disaster we have in office today.
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I would take M. Bachmann any day over the disaster we have in office today.
We’ve been told we need a truce on social issues and I would highly disagree with that because social conservatism is fiscal conservatism."
Bachmann got a huge pop, for that blurb!!
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I am pulling for her to win the GOP nomination.
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I am pulling for her to win the GOP nomination.
^^this ;D
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^^this ;D
She has more experience than Obama did before he ran for POTUS.
Yet that didnt stop you sheepish dolts from voting for him.
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Let the members of TK think that a Bachmann nomination equals a shoo-in re-election for Obama.
30 or so years ago, folks of the same ilk claimed that Reagan couldn't beat Carter.
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Bachmann would destroy Obama.
I have not seen even one reason whatsoever given one obama dildo why he deserves a second term. not one.
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Failure to run a decent candidate on the GOP is one reason already.
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Failure to run a decent candidate on the GOP is one reason already.
2012 - is going to be about $5 a gallon gas, 9% UE, obamacare, the expanding wars, etc.
Like the platform obama ran on "I'm not Bush", thats' all that the GOP'er will have to do in 2012 "I'm not Obama".
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Failure to run a decent candidate on the GOP is one reason already.
Define a "decent candidate".
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Define a "decent candidate".
A pulse.
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2012 - is going to be about $5 a gallon gas, 9% UE, obamacare, the expanding wars, etc.
Like the platform obama ran on "I'm not Bush", thats' all that the GOP'er will have to do in 2012 "I'm not Obama".
;D
A pulse.
Hahahaha!
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2012 - is going to be about $5 a gallon gas, 9% UE, obamacare, the expanding wars, etc.
Like the platform obama ran on "I'm not Bush", thats' all that the GOP'er will have to do in 2012 "I'm not Obama".
But, the GOP winner will running DIRECTLY against Obama, not having to put an Obama mask on someone leaving office anyway.
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If Obama doesn't stop bleeding independents like he has been, then he can thump his chest and rally his democratic forces all he wants, he'll still lose.
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If Obama doesn't stop bleeding independents like he has been, then he can thump his chest and rally his democratic forces all he wants, he'll still lose.
EXACTLY!!! And, don't be surprised if he starts bleeding some Latino votes. One major Latino pastor says that many Hispanics are not happy with his flaking on the Defense of Marriage Act. Latinos played a major role in passing marriage amendments across the country, INCLUDING CALIFORINA.
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Bachmann would destroy Obama.
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Just like Pelosi's claim that the Dems would keep the House.
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Just like Pelosi's claim that the Dems would keep the House.
(http://schools-wikipedia.org/images/420/42031.jpg)
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:D
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Just like Pelosi's claim that the Dems would keep the House.
;D
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(http://schools-wikipedia.org/images/420/42031.jpg)
If you're going to resume your usual dry-humping and tail-shaking for Obama's image, at least let a pro show you how it's done.
But, for those with weak stomachs, please don't don the booty shorts!!
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Palin would look like a moron against Obama.
bachmann, not so much.
Yes, she get a little obnoxious at times, and her 5th grade history is a little lacking... but have you seen her appearances on Hardball and the other "lamestream media"? She is quick as a whip, she lights up with excitement when someone challenges her. She's actually TOUGH.
I'm sorry, but palin was NOT tough. Her idea of toughness was to botch a CBS interview, have Mccain go back on with her to defend her, then hide from the media the rest of the campaign. That's NOT tough. bachmann? Completely opposite. Chris matthews disses her all the time - and she goes on his show all the time! She asks him abuot that obama leg tingle. When asked TOUGH and outright adversarial quesitons, she comes back quick and shes funny with it.
Palin got flustered, delivered run on sentences, and played the victims while hiding from the media not called FOX. Bachmann kept composure, delivred witty answers, and challenged Matthews until HE was ending the interview haha.
Palin woudl mean 4 more years of obama. Bachmann could beat Obama in 2012.
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Bachmann can be beat Obama in 2012 no problem. She is energetic, tough, likes to mix it up, never backs down from a fight, and will get a ton of the ron paul types.
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Palin would look like a moron against Obama.
bachmann, not so much.
Yes, she get a little obnoxious at times, and her 5th grade history is a little lacking... but have you seen her appearances on Hardball and the other "lamestream media"? She is quick as a whip, she lights up with excitement when someone challenges her. She's actually TOUGH.
I'm sorry, but palin was NOT tough. Her idea of toughness was to botch a CBS interview, have Mccain go back on with her to defend her, then hide from the media the rest of the campaign. That's NOT tough. bachmann? Completely opposite. Chris matthews disses her all the time - and she goes on his show all the time! She asks him abuot that obama leg tingle. When asked TOUGH and outright adversarial quesitons, she comes back quick and shes funny with it.
Palin got flustered, delivered run on sentences, and played the victims while hiding from the media not called FOX. Bachmann kept composure, delivred witty answers, and challenged Matthews until HE was ending the interview haha.
Palin woudl mean 4 more years of obama. Bachmann could beat Obama in 2012.
Are Teleprompters allowed in the debates ;D
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the same people that think bachmann can beat obama are the same people that thought palin was a good pick as v.p. ,look where that got you ;D
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Honestly, her interview with matthews was awesome if you can find it... "how are those leg tingles treating you, chris?"
He resorts to namecalling on her now. He's pathetic, honestly. He's right when he calls palin an overconfident nitwit - she really is. But bachmann had the balls to go on his show over and over and mix it up.
She won't get bulldozed y katie couric, and she won't hide.
I worry about a prez that hides from the likes of katie couric..if you don't have the balls, the brains, and the quick wit to hold your own with standard questions, how the F are you going to fare when the G20 leaders tell you they're pulling the plug on the dollar? hhide under the table?
Seriously. bachmann rocks. Palin is not even in her leagus.
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Love this woman!
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the same people that think bachmann can beat obama are the same people that thought palin was a good pick as v.p. ,look where that got you ;D
Nope - I'm an example of a person who tore palin up for being a moron. And I think bachmann really could do well against obama. He can't attack her too visciously, as she's a woman. And she has the upper hand on most issues - she's right about the spending! She's easy on the eyes, but respectable too. Palin was ditzy... 'thanks for the porno compliment'... WTF man.
So yeah, 33 has zero cred on presidential candidates, he'd endorse charles manson over obama in 2012. But i hated palin and I do like bachman.... a return to fiscal responsibility!
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Palin could never pull this off.
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Honestly, her interview with matthews was awesome if you can find it... "how are those leg tingles treating you, chris?"
He resorts to namecalling on her now. He's pathetic, honestly. He's right when he calls palin an overconfident nitwit - she really is. But bachmann had the balls to go on his show over and over and mix it up.
She won't get bulldozed y katie couric, and she won't hide.
I worry about a prez that hides from the likes of katie couric..if you don't have the balls, the brains, and the quick wit to hold your own with standard questions, how the F are you going to fare when the G20 leaders tell you they're pulling the plug on the dollar? hhide under the table?
Seriously. bachmann rocks. Palin is not even in her leagus.
if that's the best they can do [bachmann] then it's another 4 years of obama
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Palin would look like a moron against Obama.
bachmann, not so much.
Yes, she get a little obnoxious at times, and her 5th grade history is a little lacking... but have you seen her appearances on Hardball and the other "lamestream media"? She is quick as a whip, she lights up with excitement when someone challenges her. She's actually TOUGH.
I'm sorry, but palin was NOT tough. Her idea of toughness was to botch a CBS interview, have Mccain go back on with her to defend her, then hide from the media the rest of the campaign. That's NOT tough. bachmann? Completely opposite. Chris matthews disses her all the time - and she goes on his show all the time! She asks him abuot that obama leg tingle. When asked TOUGH and outright adversarial quesitons, she comes back quick and shes funny with it.
Palin got flustered, delivered run on sentences, and played the victims while hiding from the media not called FOX. Bachmann kept composure, delivred witty answers, and challenged Matthews until HE was ending the interview haha.
Palin woudl mean 4 more years of obama. Bachmann could beat Obama in 2012.
When did Palin play the victim? When she get attacked and says nothing, the goofballs on the left wonder where she is. Then, when she does respond, they pull this mess you just suggested. A prime example of that is the boneheaded attempt to blame Palin for that nut in Arizona who shot six people and almost killed Congresswoman Giffords.
As for run-on sentences and the like, how many times has Obama sounded like a drunken Porky Pig with a bunch of marbles in his mouth, whenever he can't answer up to the issues presented to him?
Michelle Bachmann is a more-seasoned politician than Sarah Palin. But, I'd put either one against Obama and watch them go to work on him, carving through his teleprompter-fueled doubletalk and hitting him right between the eyes, with the meat-and-potatoes of the issues.
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Nope - I'm an example of a person who tore palin up for being a moron. And I think bachmann really could do well against obama. He can't attack her too visciously, as she's a woman. And she has the upper hand on most issues - she's right about the spending! She's easy on the eyes, but respectable too. Palin was ditzy... 'thanks for the porno compliment'... WTF man.
So yeah, 33 has zero cred on presidential candidates, he'd endorse charles manson over obama in 2012. But i hated palin and I do like bachman.... a return to fiscal responsibility!
she's a dingbat , the independents won't vote for her. it's that simple
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When did Palin play the victim? When she get attacked and says nothing, the goofballs on the left wonder where she is. Then, when she does respond, they pull this mess you just suggested. A prime example of that is the boneheaded attempt to blame Palin for that nut in Arizona who shot six people and almost killed Congresswoman Giffords.
As for run-on sentences and the like, how many times has Obama sounded like a drunken Porky Pig with a bunch of marbles in his mouth, whenever he can't answer up to the issues presented to him?
Michelle Bachmann is a more-seasoned politician than Sarah Palin. But, I'd put either one against Obama and watch them go to work on him, carving through his teleprompter-fueled doubletalk and hitting him right between the eyes, with the meat-and-potatoes of the issues.
:D :D :D
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she's a dingbat , the independents won't vote for her. it's that simple
She was a Federal Tax Lawyer who tried tons of cases before oming to DC you ignorant hack!
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she's a dingbat , the independents won't vote for her. it's that simple
You of all people should not be calling anyone else names with regard to intelligence.
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i hope you retards are dumb enough to run her, because it's going to be 4 more years of crying ;D
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You of all people should not be calling anyone else names with regard to intelligence.
Hahahaha!
What this retard doesn't seem to grasp is that the independents aren't going to vote for Obama again, either. :D :D :D :D
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i hope you retards are dumb enough to run her, because it's going to be 4 more years of crying ;D
Gadaffi / Madoff coud beat obama the rate he is going.
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Its funny, apparently the only people that ever make mistakes are conservatives. Obama has many a gaff, that everyone just seems to forget about, 57 states? Grandpa liberated Auschwitz? Police acted stupidly? WTF? Not to mention the mess the country is in, sure he isn't solely responsible, but he is POTUS. Put him in a debate with out the TOTUS and the stuttering starts. Hate to break the news, being able to read a speech well does not make a good POTUS.
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Atleast she doesn't associate with domestic terrorist
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Using three liberal "men" who bachmann probably could beat the piss out of does not help your case.
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Hahahaha!
What this retard doesn't seem to grasp is that the independents aren't going to vote for Obama again, either. :D :D :D :D
you run her and you give them no choice
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you run her and you give them no choice
Why is that blackass? She is far smarter than bama, does not harbor terrorist sympathies, and has relations with domestic terrorists from what I can tell.
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Why is that blackass? She is far smarter than bama, does not harbor terrorist sympathies, and has relations with domestic terrorists from what I can tell.
not going to convince you ,you thought palin was good for the ticket, you even think palin should be pres ;D . so i would say run her and we will see who is right, but you will be crying another 4 years :D
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Palin had noting to do with McCain losing. By 2008 the nation hated Bush and McCain adopted all of the Bush policeis and suspended his campaign.
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Palin had noting to do with McCain losing. By 2008 the nation hated Bush and McCain adopted all of the Bush policeis and suspended his campaign.
he may not have won but he would have gave himself a better chance that's for fu#king sure
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not going to convince you ,you thought palin was good for the ticket, you even think palin should be pres ;D . so i would say run her and we will see who is right, but you will be crying another 4 years :D
So you're not actually capable of arguing your point. Thanks for playing.
Stick to posting MSNBC clips.
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So you're not actually capable of arguing your point. Thanks for playing.
Stick to posting MSNBC clips.
the internet tough guy,i guess you have no choice by the looks of you :D
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Are you actually capable of arguing your point or are you going to continue to spam this thread with incoherent garbage?
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he may not have won but he would have gave himself a better chance that's for fu#king sure
It was a gamble he took and it was the only reason I signed up to volunteer for that campaign. I still like her, even with her flaws.
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It was a gamble he took and it was the only reason I signed up to volunteer for that campaign. I still like her, even with her flaws.
she helped the base but i think that's about as far as it went, they needed someone to pull in the independents
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she helped the base but i think that's about as far as it went, they needed someone to pull in the independents
Didnt matter if Jesus was on the ticket at that point.
But this time Bama has a record and does not have the hope and change mamby pamby bs to rely on. Now he has a horrible record and will be beaten with it like a drum.
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Its funny, apparently the only people that ever make mistakes are conservatives. Obama has many a gaff, that everyone just seems to forget about, 57 states? Grandpa liberated Auschwitz? Police acted stupidly? WTF? Not to mention the mess the country is in, sure he isn't solely responsible, but he is POTUS. Put him in a debate with out the TOTUS and the stuttering starts. Hate to break the news, being able to read a speech well does not make a good POTUS.
Truth.
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Palin had noting to do with McCain losing. By 2008 the nation hated Bush and McCain adopted all of the Bush policeis and suspended his campaign.
Palin confirmed to those on the fence that Grandpa was an idiot with poor judgment. You don't put a dingbat like Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency.
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Truth.
"Truth" to dummies like you, no doubt. ::)
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"Truth" to dummies like you, no doubt. ::)
If you have nothing of substance to add, then don't post.
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Define a "decent candidate".
The opposite of Newt, Palin, Romney, Huck, Thompson, Rudypoo, Trump
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If you have nothing of substance to add, then don't post.
How do you define "substance"? You have close to 29,000 posts, none of which I would consider substantive. Perhaps you should consider leading by example. ;)
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How do you define "substance"? You have close to 29,000 posts, none of which I would consider substantive. Perhaps you should consider leading by example. ;)
Try addressing the subject matter instead of insulting people. It's really not that difficult.
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Try addressing the subject matter instead of insulting people. It's really not that difficult.
For most Gimmicks it is.
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Try addressing the subject matter instead of insulting people. It's really not that difficult.
Meh, I'd rather address the subject AND insult dumb people. It's far more fun. ;)
Thanks anyway!
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For most Gimmicks it is.
LOL @ the concept of a "gimmick" on an anonymous message board. ::)
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Meh, I'd rather address the subject AND insult dumb people. It's far more fun. ;)
Thanks anyway!
No problem. Enjoy, because if you continue your time on here is short. :)
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Benny is fired up ready to go.
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Poof! I am like Nostradamus. :)