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Title: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: blacken700 on April 07, 2011, 09:44:25 AM
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Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 09:47:02 AM
www.usdebtclock.org




Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: GigantorX on April 07, 2011, 10:03:14 AM
Dumb cartoon, misleading and probably someone who didn't bother to read the budget and instead just barfed out some tired old partisan garbage to play to the base.

Oh wait, replace "probably" with "definitely".

Thanks for playing.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: 240 is Back on April 07, 2011, 10:06:13 AM
why do you guys think so many repubs - well, most of them, includin ALL the 2012 potentials - refuse to give Ryan any support for the bill?

They deliver their generic "a good start" but none will agree with either the specific cuts, or the specific tax cuts.

Why won't Paul's party back him up?
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: GigantorX on April 07, 2011, 10:10:34 AM
why do you guys think so many repubs - well, most of them, includin ALL the 2012 potentials - refuse to give Ryan any support for the bill?

They deliver their generic "a good start" but none will agree with either the specific cuts, or the specific tax cuts.

Why won't Paul's party back him up?

We can speculate about elections, elections in the future, anything related to elections. That's the way it is.

But Ryan is THE ONLY PERSON  that has offered a plan that doesn't completely ignore the Deficit Reduction Committee's recommendations and doesn't include new massive spending increases.

The Democrats have offered ZERO in the way of plans, nothing, nada, zip.

 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: 240 is Back on April 07, 2011, 10:33:38 AM
my point is that ryan will be abandoned by the 2012 bunch on his budget.

if palin, newt, trump, t-paw, pence, and bachmann had knocked on the white house door together, holding copies of Paul Ryan's budget for obama to read - it would have been a huge story, and obama would have felt huge pressure to bend on the issue.

instead, it's 'every man/woman for themselves', letting paul ryan sink on this one.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Straw Man on April 07, 2011, 10:53:25 AM
We can speculate about elections, elections in the future, anything related to elections. That's the way it is.

But Ryan is THE ONLY PERSON  that has offered a plan that doesn't completely ignore the Deficit Reduction Committee's recommendations and doesn't include new massive spending increases.

The Democrats have offered ZERO in the way of plans, nothing, nada, zip.

Dems agreed to the exact amount of cuts that the Repubs initially proposed but, as usual, as soon as they agreed the Repubs doubled down......again
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Kazan on April 07, 2011, 11:14:53 AM
Dems agreed to the exact amount of cuts that the Repubs initially proposed but, as usual, as soon as they agreed the Repubs doubled down......again

Good, the bullshit needs to stop, no citizen could get away with the shit they pull in DC.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 11:18:02 AM
Evn Bowles and Simpson - OBAMAS' HEADS OF THE DEBT COMMISSION - agree with Ryans' plan! 


But oh yeah, lets blame ryan and the gop and not where it belongs - Obama himself who tossed aside his own fucking debt commission.   ::)  ::)   
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: 240 is Back on April 07, 2011, 11:21:26 AM
Dems agreed to the exact amount of cuts that the Repubs initially proposed but, as usual, as soon as they agreed the Repubs doubled down......again

repubs did propose 33 bil initially.  then they kept moving it up.


anyway it's not about the $billions.  it's about what the billions are used FOR.

Plannet parenthood, NPR, obamacare - obama would be undermining 2 years of legislative 'wins' by his team by signing it.  I don't think the dems ever expected bush to "undo" the iraq war and a few other pieces of legislation with an annual budget.

can't blame the repubs for trying.  it's all about posing and perception now.  If only the tea party members weren't on tv screaming "let's shut down the govt!"

total dumbshits on that one.  How many plays will those get before the 2012 elections?
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Straw Man on April 07, 2011, 11:21:33 AM
Good, the bullshit needs to stop, no citizen could get away with the shit they pull in DC.

why even bother negotiating then

Dems agreed to Boehners initial level of cuts

I say shut down the government and let the Repubs suffer the consequences
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Kazan on April 07, 2011, 11:22:37 AM
Evn Bowles and Simpson - OBAMAS' HEADS OF THE DEBT COMMISSION - agree with Ryans' plan! 


But oh yeah, lets blame ryan and the gop and not where it belongs - Obama himself who tossed aside his own fucking debt commission.   ::)  ::)   

The point is worrying about this entitlement or that entitlement is going to mean shit it something isn't done and the Chinese decide to cash in some debt.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 11:24:07 AM
why even bother negotiating then

Dems agreed to Boehners initial level of cuts

I say shut down the government and let the Repubs suffer the consequences

All of this will fall on bama when it is explained that we have a 1.65 TRILLION dollar dficit and this reckless asshole wants to shut the govt down over gvt funded abortions and NPR. 


Nice.   
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Kazan on April 07, 2011, 11:24:54 AM
why even bother negotiating then

Dems agreed to Boehners initial level of cuts

I say shut down the government and let the Repubs suffer the consequences

And why is it the Repubs fault? Seems to me the Dems didn't bother to present a fucking budget at all just pass bullshit resolutions to keep funding itself. Sorry I can see through the smoke screen of the democrat party on this bullshit. We've already heard Dean and others praying the government shuts down, thinking it will be a repeat of 95, sorry people are paying attention now
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Straw Man on April 07, 2011, 11:25:32 AM
repubs did propose 33 bil initially.  then they kept moving it up.


anyway it's not about the $billions.  it's about what the billions are used FOR.
Plannet parenthood, NPR, obamacare - obama would be undermining 2 years of legislative 'wins' by his team by signing it.  I don't think the dems ever expected bush to "undo" the iraq war and a few other pieces of legislation with an annual budget.

can't blame the repubs for trying.  it's all about posing and perception now.  If only the tea party members weren't on tv screaming "let's shut down the govt!"

total dumbshits on that one.  How many plays will those get before the 2012 elections?

exactly right

now it's all about idealogy and politics

I'm sure that will be comforting to  our military who will have to keep working and not getting paid why a bunch of tea baggers piss and moan about NPR and Planned Parenthood

IMO - the supreme court election in Wisconsin is just a harbinger to 2012 elections
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Straw Man on April 07, 2011, 11:27:15 AM
And why is it the Repubs fault? Seems to me the Dems didn't bother to present a fucking budget at all just pass bullshit resolutions to keep funding itself. Sorry I can see through the smoke screen of the democrat party on this bullshit.

then why even bother offering a number in the first place

I'm fine with shutting down the government and watching the soundbites of all the Republicans saying what a great thing it is

I'm sure everyone effected by it will thank them in 2012
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Kazan on April 07, 2011, 11:29:30 AM
then why even bother offering a number in the first place

I'm fine with shutting down the government and watching the soundbites of all the Republicans saying what a great thing it is

I'm sure everyone effected by it will thank them in 2012

So you don't care that the Democrats shurked their constitutional duty to present a budget all for political gain?
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 11:31:14 AM
exactly right

now it's all about idealogy and politics

I'm sure that will be comforting to  our military who will have to keep working and not getting paid why a bunch of tea baggers piss and moan about NPR and Planned Parenthood

IMO - the supreme court election in Wisconsin is just a harbinger to 2012 elections

Yeah ok - a real landslide over there.    ::)  ::)

www.usdebtclock.org


Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Straw Man on April 07, 2011, 11:32:18 AM
All of this will fall on bama when it is explained that we have a 1.65 TRILLION dollar dficit and this reckless asshole wants to shut the govt down over gvt funded abortions and NPR.  Nice.   

govt doesn't fund abortions and the majority (95%) of what PP does is not abortions

Obama's deficit includes the Bush Tax cuts and Bush's wars and hopefully he'll remind people of that every chance he get's
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 11:33:33 AM
Ryan is handing the 2012 presidency to Obama  :D

Remember those oldies who the GOP sided with against Obamacare?  Remember get your hands off my medicare/mediaid?  Same sh*t will hand the dems the win in 2012. 

Congrats Paul Ryan you just fu*ked over the GOP.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 11:35:51 AM
Ryan is handing the 2012 presidency to Obama  :D

Remember those oldies who the GOP sided with against Obamacare?  Remember get your hands off my medicare/mediaid?  Same sh*t will hand the dems the win in 2012. 

Congrats Paul Ryan you just fu*ked over the GOP.


 ::)  ::)

What part of fucking broke do you assholes not grasp?    KC & Straw - do either of you have checking accuont?     
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: 240 is Back on April 07, 2011, 11:36:31 AM
All of this will fall on bama when it is explained that we have a 1.65 TRILLION dollar dficit and this reckless asshole wants to shut the govt down over gvt funded abortions and NPR.  

Really?

Look at that backlash in wisconsin.  People hate the fcking tea party suddenly.

Wait til average americans, asleep in 2010, see the videos of some smug hillbilly tea party congressman screaming "screw the govt, let's shut er down!"

Your boy Pence was screaming iit YESTERDAY.  

Americans like video.  They are going to be reminded the tea partiers promised to shut it down, then it got shut down, all while tea party member were STILl scremaing 'shut it down'.

bachmann is smart - she's saying she's optimistic it won't be shut down, when it obviously will.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Kazan on April 07, 2011, 11:36:36 AM
Ryan is handing the 2012 presidency to Obama  :D

Remember those oldies who the GOP sided with against Obamacare?  Remember get your hands off my medicare/mediaid?  Same sh*t will hand the dems the win in 2012. 

Congrats Paul Ryan you just fu*ked over the GOP.

Atleast someone has the stones to address the problem, unlike the democratic congress (no budget) or the Democratic POTUS ( no clue), whats really going to be funny is when we don't do anything and the depression hits, won't be any entitlements then, will there
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 11:38:04 AM

 ::)  ::)

What part of fucking broke do you assholes not grasp?    KC & Straw - do either of you have checking accuont?     

Doesn't matter doofus.  You sided with those folks against Obamacare.  Posted videos and talked to death about how Obamacare would give control to the state etc.  How does cutting spending to those programs not force more and more people towards an earlier death?  Seems to me the REAL DEATH Panels are those cutting spending for the elderly and dependent.  

Enjoy watching Obama win another election in 2012.   8)
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Straw Man on April 07, 2011, 11:38:25 AM
Yeah ok - a real landslide over there.    ::)  ::)

www.usdebtclock.org

yeah - I'm sure that will give a lot of comfort to the loser who ran unopposed last time and in spite of Repubs (funded in large part by the Koch brothers) spending 2 million dollars in the last week of the campaign got defeated by a candidate who couldn't even afford printed signs

Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 11:39:20 AM
Really?

Look at that backlash in wisconsin.  People hate the fcking tea party suddenly.

Wait til average americans, asleep in 2010, see the videos of some smug hillbilly tea party congressman screaming "screw the govt, let's shut er down!"

Your boy Pence was screaming iit YESTERDAY.  

Americans like video.  They are going to be reminded the tea partiers promised to shut it down, then it got shut down, all while tea party member were STILl scremaing 'shut it down'.

bachmann is smart - she's saying she's optimistic it won't be shut down, when it obviously will.




Yeah, a bunch of disgusting goverment leeches screaming ike babies constitutes a masjority brecause their wefare checks are being cut.   boo freakig hoo.  I hope the govt shuts down permanently personally.  If almost all of these parasites in govt got fired tommorow, sorry, not my problem.  
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Kazan on April 07, 2011, 11:39:42 AM
Really?

Look at that backlash in wisconsin.  People hate the fcking tea party suddenly.

Wait til average americans, asleep in 2010, see the videos of some smug hillbilly tea party congressman screaming "screw the govt, let's shut er down!"

Your boy Pence was screaming iit YESTERDAY.  

Americans like video.  They are going to be reminded the tea partiers promised to shut it down, then it got shut down, all while tea party member were STILl scremaing 'shut it down'.

bachmann is smart - she's saying she's optimistic it won't be shut down, when it obviously will.

Dude, whatever, the fact still remains that the Dems did not present a budget when it is a constitutional obligation. They pulled this shit for political gain, fuck the country, as long as they get power. If thats the kind of assholes you want running the country?
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 11:39:54 AM
Atleast someone has the stones to address the problem, unlike the democratic congress (no budget) or the Democratic POTUS ( no clue), whats really going to be funny is when we don't do anything and the depression hits, won't be any entitlements then, will there

I'm not against tackling the problem at all.. I agree it needs to be sorted.  However, the way he is going about it and the drastic nature of it, not to mention the cuts for corporations and wealthy are going to hand Obama another 4 years.  
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 11:41:16 AM
Doesn't matter doofus.  You sided with those folks against Obamacare.  Posted videos and talked to death about how Obamacare would give control to the state etc.  How does cutting spending to those programs not force more and more people towards an earlier death?  Seems to me the REAL DEATH Panels are those cutting spending for the elderly and dependent.  

Enjoy watching Obama win another election in 2012.   8)

Yeah ok moron.    9% UE, $5 gas fr a year, obama will ot get 45% if we have another year of this shit.   

The economic illiteracy you leftist dope is beyond staggering.  EVEN OBAMA'S OWN DEBT COMMISSION AGREES W RYANS PLAN!     
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: 240 is Back on April 07, 2011, 11:42:21 AM
please, guys, understand i'm not talking right/wrong here.

i'm talking political reality - learn to separate the two.  karl rove was a disgusting pig, but a brilliant strategist.

When 2012 rolls around, Obama will stand on that debate stage and say "The repubs required I end obamacare and slash medicare, or they would shut it down.  And they did!  Just like they said they did.


Strategically speaking - 33 - please can you admit it was dogshit stpid for any tea party candidate to get in front of a camera and scream "i promise to shut down the govt", given the amount of damage it could do to the ENTIRE GOP two years later if a shutdown really happened?
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 11:43:43 AM
I'm not against tackling the problem at all.. I agree it needs to be sorted.  However, the way he is going about it and the drastic nature of it, not to mention the cuts for corporations and wealthy are going to hand Obama another 4 years.  

Yeah because obama/pelosis drastic reckless shit over the past few years make it such that we need drastic action to correct course. 

Again:

www.usdebtclock.org


Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 11:44:38 AM
Yeah ok moron.    9% UE, $5 gas fr a year, obama will ot get 45% if we have another year of this shit.   

The economic illiteracy you leftist dope is beyond staggering.  EVEN OBAMA'S OWN DEBT COMMISSION AGREES W RYANS PLAN!     

Haha reduced to weak insults.  Oh dear 333 it's gonna be funny seeing you melt down again when Obama wins another term  ;D

It makes fiscal sense no doubt, but it doesn't make POPULAR sense.  When was the last time people voted not in their own self interest, but in the interest of the future?  I'll tell you the last time - never.  

Obama 2012 - it's coming thanks to Ryan's budget!
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Kazan on April 07, 2011, 11:46:27 AM
I'm not against tackling the problem at all.. I agree it needs to be sorted.  However, the way he is going about it and the drastic nature of it, not to mention the cuts for corporations and wealthy are going to hand Obama another 4 years.  

Maybe because time is not on our side in the matter, no one seems to think past tomorrow, the problem is drastic and needs a drastic solution. All I hear about are entitlements, where in the constitution is it listed that anyone is entitled to anything?
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 11:47:42 AM
Yeah, so Obama is again putting his own selfish disgusting narrow personal self interest over the good of the country.   A real pattern for him.   
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 11:49:32 AM
Maybe because time is not on our side in the matter, no one seems to think past tomorrow, the problem is drastic and needs a drastic solution. All I hear about are entitlements, where in the constitution is it listed that anyone is entitled to anything?

It doesn't.  But until you can not have people vote in their own self interest.  You will have issues like this.  Governments need to understand this, it's not about cuts persay.   Cuts are unpopular and an unpopular government is a former government.  It's about growing revenue. 

That is the discussion we need to be having. 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 11:51:17 AM
It doesn't.  But until you can not have people vote in their own self interest.  You will have issues like this.  Governments need to understand this, it's not about cuts persay.   Cuts are unpopular and an unpopular government is a former government.  It's about growing revenue. 

That is the discussion we need to be having. 



Oh yeah, grow revenue by putting more on welfare and food stamps, discouraging employment, etc.  Yeah thts the trick!   ::)  ::)
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Kazan on April 07, 2011, 11:51:31 AM
It doesn't.  But until you can not have people vote in their own self interest.  You will have issues like this.  Governments need to understand this, it's not about cuts persay.   Cuts are unpopular and an unpopular government is a former government.  It's about growing revenue. 

That is the discussion we need to be having. 

If the government actually followed the constitution, we wouldn't even be having this discussion because no entitlement would exist and the government would have more than enough money to operate.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 11:53:34 AM
If the government actually followed the constitution, we wouldn't even be having this discussion because no entitlement would exist and the government would have more than enough money to operate.

but we do have entitlements and we do need to have this discussion. 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Kazan on April 07, 2011, 11:54:36 AM
but we do have entitlements and we do need to have this discussion. 

What we need is for able bodied people to get off the government tit and contribute something.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 11:55:04 AM
but we do have entitlements and we do need to have this discussion. 

Not obama  - he tossed his own debt commission recomendations aside so he can play politics and divert attention away from his horrible presidency.    Even Bowles and Simpson are pissed off at how reckless Obama is being in this.   
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Straw Man on April 07, 2011, 11:56:28 AM
please, guys, understand i'm not talking right/wrong here.

i'm talking political reality - learn to separate the two.  karl rove was a disgusting pig, but a brilliant strategist.

When 2012 rolls around, Obama will stand on that debate stage and say "The repubs required I end obamacare and slash medicare, or they would shut it down.  And they did!  Just like they said they did.


Strategically speaking - 33 - please can you admit it was dogshit stpid for any tea party candidate to get in front of a camera and scream "i promise to shut down the govt", given the amount of damage it could do to the ENTIRE GOP two years later if a shutdown really happened?

333 - is following the "cut off your nose to spite your face strategy"

but then again he hates almost everyone and everthing in and about this country so it probably is not a big suprise
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 11:57:26 AM
What we need is for able bodied people to get off the government tit and contribute something.

So we need investment in jobs?  How does this come about?  Cut taxes and you cut a vital part of revenue that you HAVE to be 100% you will get back in the form of income tax from the newly employed.  Raise taxes and you less people generally get hired unless the business grows.

So how do you grow the private sector without cutting off vital revenue needed in a time of deficit?  
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 12:00:23 PM
So we need investment in jobs?  How does this come about?  Cut taxes and you cut a vital part of revenue that you HAVE to be 100% you will get back in the form of income tax from the newly employed.  Raise taxes and you less people generally get hired unless the business grows.

So how do you grow the private sector without cutting off vital revenue needed in a time of deficit?  

50% of the govt is not "vital".   How about we start  bama's ball washing program?    how abut we tell the govtto fucking go away and let business people grow and thrive and be left alone?   

How about we tell all the enviro nazi lawyers who shut everything down to fucking die?   How about we tell class action lawyers to rot in hell and and that scam?   Ho about we abolish the EPA and energy Dept.   We did fine before those two horrible agencies were formed and they dont live up to their stated goals, etc etc.     
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Kazan on April 07, 2011, 12:01:36 PM
So we need investment in jobs?  How does this come about?  Cut taxes and you cut a vital part of revenue that you HAVE to be 100% you will get back in the form of income tax from the newly employed.  Raise taxes and you less people generally get hired unless the business grows.

So how do you grow the private sector without cutting off vital revenue needed in a time of deficit?  

You cut everything across the board, and create an attractive atmosphere for business, it all comes down to the government spending to much. You or I can't borrow 40 cents of every dollar we spend can we?
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 12:07:20 PM
You cut everything across the board, and create an attractive atmosphere for business, it all comes down to the government spending to much. You or I can't borrow 40 cents of every dollar we spend can we?

Well we did borrow 130 odd % of income so is it any wonder the government has functioned just as it's citizens have? 

Cut everything like what?  Government jobs?  Who then hires them?  You fire 500,000 government workers and 500,000 private workers need to be hired to replace them.  that's pretty tough to do even with optimistic job numbers going forward. 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Straw Man on April 07, 2011, 12:07:56 PM
50% of the govt is not "vital".   How about we start  bama's ball washing program?    how abut we tell the govtto fucking go away and let business people grow and thrive and be left alone?   

How about we tell all the enviro nazi lawyers who shut everything down to fucking die?   How about we tell class action lawyers to rot in hell and and that scam?   Ho about we abolish the EPA and energy Dept.   We did fine before those two horrible agencies were formed and they dont live up to their stated goals, etc etc.     

great idea

who needs regulations on air/water quality, safety in nuclear plants, etc...

corporations don't need to breath air or drink clean water and we know their need to make more money is more important than our silly human need not to be poisoned by our own environment

 

 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 12:08:46 PM
You cut everything across the board, and create an attractive atmosphere for business, it all comes down to the government spending to much. You or I can't borrow 40 cents of every dollar we spend can we?

Its amazing  - we borrow .43 of evey dolar and these mini-madoffs on the left act like a few billion is the end of the world.   Unbelievable. 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Straw Man on April 07, 2011, 12:09:15 PM
You cut everything across the board, and create an attractive atmosphere for business, it all comes down to the government spending to much. You or I can't borrow 40 cents of every dollar we spend can we?

how exactly does across the board cuts create an environment more attractive to business

I'm not saying you're not right but I just need to understand your reasoning and maybe you can show an example of how that has worked in the past
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 12:11:13 PM
how exactly does across the board cuts create an environment more attractive to business

I'm not saying you're not right but I just need to understand your reasoning and maybe you can show an example of how that has worked in the past

Straw- have you even run a small business?   
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Kazan on April 07, 2011, 12:12:33 PM
Well we did borrow 130 odd % of income so is it any wonder the government has functioned just as it's citizens have? 

Cut everything like what?  Government jobs?  Who then hires them?  You fire 500,000 government workers and 500,000 private workers need to be hired to replace them.  that's pretty tough to do even with optimistic job numbers going forward. 

Maybe you live like that but I don't 0 credit card balance, cars paid for, house will be paid for in 5 years. There is lots of wasteful shit that can be cut, but the gutless turds in DC are to scared to address it, because they don't give a shit about America only their ability to stay in power and grow their personal wealth.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 12:15:36 PM
Maybe you live like that but I don't 0 credit card balance, cars paid for, house will be paid for in 5 years. There is lots of wasteful shit that can be cut, but the gutless turds in DC are to scared to address it, because they don't give a shit about America only their ability to stay in power and grow their personal wealth.

Perhaps you don't but a majority of America has and still does. 

Like i said the government is an extension of the people. Until the people start voting against their own short term self interests. good luck.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Kazan on April 07, 2011, 12:16:48 PM
how exactly does across the board cuts create an environment more attractive to business

I'm not saying you're not right but I just need to understand your reasoning and maybe you can show an example of how that has worked in the past


35% corp tax rate highest in the world, cut that to attract business.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 12:21:10 PM
Perhaps you don't but a majority of America has and still does. 

Like i said the government is an extension of the people. Until the people start voting against their own short term self interests. good luck.

We just did in the midterms by tossing out a ton of communist democrats! 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 12:23:10 PM

35% corp tax rate highest in the world, cut that to attract business.

Rather than just blindly cutting it, wouldn't it be better to say have a two tiered system?  

I.E. 51% or more of your workforce is in America so you pay 25% and if you don't meet that then you pay 35%?

Otherwise what incentive is there to hire anyone?  Just because a business increases revenue due to a tax decrease does not mean it will hire new people.  Especially if there isn't any growth or sustainable growth that would mean hiring someone makes sense.  
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: GigantorX on April 07, 2011, 01:56:44 PM
Grow revenue? We could tax the populace at 100% and it wouldn't close the deficit. Revenue and cutting.

50% of the population doesn't have an income tax liability, that has to change. People on here get all worked up about the "rich" getting taxes cut or whatever all the while half of the country pays ZERO%. And it isn't about rates, it's about a persons tax liabilities. Raise the rates and keep the deductions/credits/loopholes and you probably won't collect what you think if anymore at all. Raise the rates too much and those with the means will find ways to escape them.

Lower the rates, close the tricks and loopholes. Reward savers and risk takers. For the "rich" or whoever you want have the capital gains tax set at the top rate. Everyone pays.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: whork25 on April 08, 2011, 01:42:08 AM
Are you saying 50% of the population does not pay taxes?

Is that because they dont have a job or.. ???
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 04:58:05 AM
Dems too crazy to win
By Cheri Jacobus - 04/07/11 06:29 PM ET

 

Fiscal sanity versus the ruination of America. That seems to be where the budget debate lies.

The Republican budget proposal to eliminate some $6 trillion in federal spending over the next decade and eliminate the deficit in 30 years is shocking — but only in the sense that the situation has become so out of hand, so insanely ridiculous, it will take at least that much and that long to right the wrongs of Washington.


The insanity of fiscal policy that promotes an unsustainable chasm between spending and revenues will dog President Obama and his party all the way through to November 2012, especially after Republicans pull the curtain back on details that average Americans can understand and care about. House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) seems to have found a way to pick the lock in terms of effectively talking about fiscal issues that usually make our eyes glaze over. He gets extra credit for not talking down to us and for looking and sounding like a sane grownup in the process, reminding us how sadly rare such qualities are in our elected officials. (Instead, they should be among the bare minimum of qualifications for those charged with spending our hard-earned tax dollars.)

While Democrats whine and lie about mean Republicans “taking” from seniors and children, many conservatives are concerned that Ryan’s long-term budget plan might not go far enough, soon enough to save the country. It’s highly likely the GOP presidential primary contest will be centered on just this point — a healthy, adult, responsible discussion on the question of whether the GOP was trying to cut enough. Did we go far enough? Did we fight hard enough? The question of reining in how much to steal from future generations is a moral issue, as well — at least for the GOP — since President Obama and the Democrats lack moral misgivings about such theft.

When a GOP nominee emerges, it will be someone who hits all the right notes and has established a proven record of fiscal sanity. The primary process will ensure the public will be well-versed and primed on fiscal issues. One surprising indication that Americans (or at least Republicans) are dead serious about getting our fiscal house in order is a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll showing gazillionaire Donald Trump scoring quite well, sharing second place with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in a nine-person field among likely Republican primary voters. That’s how hungry Americans are for fiscal leadership.

That same poll also shows the nation about split on the issue of a government shutdown, with conservatives favoring deep spending cuts even if it means Democrats force a shutdown, but others in the electorate favoring compromise in order to avoid a shutdown.

But who cares more? It’s far more likely voters favoring cuts and willing to withstand a shutdown will vote on that as a key issue than those favoring “compromise,” putting it front and center when they go to the polls next year. An enthusiasm gap, perhaps?

Can there BE a more frightening scenario for Obama and the Democrats? Can they actually get enough voters to the polls who care more about federal handouts than the future of the nation? Certainly those people exist. But identifying more of them than those committed to reducing deficits and debt will be a nifty trick, indeed. It will take a lot of fancy footwork, lies and out-and-out bribery with promises of more taxpayer-financed goodies to get them to the polls.

Pulling at our heartstrings to get to our purse strings is an uninspired campaign tactic — and a cheap one at that. Democrats desperately need to close the enthusiasm gap that crippled their 2010 campaign. While Americans who are deeply concerned about the debt and deficits plaguing the nation are becoming more fully engaged at an earlier point in the election cycle, with many never dipping into complacency after last November’s elections, where voter turnout was higher than any midterm election since 1982, Democrats are trying to appeal to a base that feeds from the federal coffers and is desperate to continue to do so — consequences be damned. Republicans are appealing to the patriotic, moral, responsible better angels of Americans. Democrats are left to pick away at the rotting carcass of self-interest and fear as the centerpiece of their national campaign strategy.

How insane is that?

Jacobus, president of Capitol Strategies PR, has managed congressional campaigns, worked on Capitol Hill and is an adjunct professor at George Washington University’s Graduate School of Political Management. She appears on CNN, MSNBC and FOX News as a GOP strategist.






Source:
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/cheri-jacobus/154735-dems-too-crazy-to-win
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: MB on April 08, 2011, 06:33:34 AM
The problem with Ryan's plan is that it wouldn't eliminate the federal deficit until 2040 and we would double our national debt by then.  It's better than nothing, but far from enough.  
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 06:40:58 AM
repubs aren't backing the Ryan plan.  It's problematic.  Cut medicare, and give tax cuts to rich.  That's the way to descibe it. 

Repubs aren't embracing it - so right or wrong, the perception becomes the reality.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: GigantorX on April 08, 2011, 08:11:42 AM
repubs aren't backing the Ryan plan.  It's problematic.  Cut medicare, and give tax cuts to rich.  That's the way to descibe it. 

Repubs aren't embracing it - so right or wrong, the perception becomes the reality.

We've been through this before, either you weren't paying attention or you just like being a clown.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Kazan on April 08, 2011, 08:20:27 AM
Are you saying 50% of the population does not pay taxes?

Is that because they dont have a job or.. ???

Earned Income Tax Credit
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 08:45:23 AM
No wonder bernie madoff was a democrat. 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: GigantorX on April 08, 2011, 08:46:47 AM
Earned Income Tax Credit

Through that, other credits, loopholes, filing status's, deductions etc....50% of the nation has ZERO% income tax liability a the end of tax day.


But again, don't pay any mind to that, nothing wrong with 50%of the nation paying zero....we need to concentrate on bleeding those uppity rich folk with their small businesses and fancy houses and picture tubes in the living room!
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 08:53:33 AM
Its amazing how reckless these maddoffs on the left are when it comes to money. 

They are like the idiot in harlem who wins the lotto and then blows it all in a month on crack, coke, booze, rims, etc.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
Post by: whork25 on April 08, 2011, 02:36:15 PM
Through that, other credits, loopholes, filing status's, deductions etc....50% of the nation has ZERO% income tax liability a the end of tax day.


But again, don't pay any mind to that, nothing wrong with 50%of the nation paying zero....we need to concentrate on bleeding those uppity rich folk with their small businesses and fancy houses and picture tubes in the living room!

Where did you get these numbers? How can unemployment be 10-20% then?