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Van Hollen On House GOP: 'Speaker Boehner Is Not In Control'
Source: TPM
The ranking member on the House Budget Committee said Thursday that the tea party has taken over in the House of Representatives, and turned Speaker John Boehner into little more than a rubber stamp for their social agenda as the government careens toward its first shutdown since 1995.
"Speaker Boehner is not in control," Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) said on a conference call with reporters when asked by TPM about the prospects of a shutdown. "The tea party caucus has their hands on the steering wheel and they are prepared to drive right into a government shut down if they don't get 100% of their demands met."
Van Hollen said the tea party rejection of Democratic offers of billions of dollars in compromise budget cuts comes from a desire to attack entitlements and environmental laws, not reduce the size of government as they've claimed.
"To pretend that they care about deficit reduction here when their real goal is to use this budget battle to impose that social agenda is becoming more obvious everyday," Van Hollen said.
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Was wondering how long it was going to take for the propaganda machine to kick in. Any Democrat opinion is irrelevant to me, they didn't even present a budget.
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some tea party members welcome a shutdown.
boehner admits a shutdown hurts GOP.
A number of tea party members have been on tv saying NO COMPROMISE.
The reality is that you have to compromise on some things. The dems cave on NPR, the repubs cave on abortion, you meet in the middle.
(although it is weird the cuts seem to have to stem from the Bible, and not from boring civic things lol)
Boehnner compromised for years. Both parties do. Compromise can prevent a shutdown. Not happening now.
Does anyone here honestly thing Boehnner controls the tea party members? Chime in please
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www.usdebtclock.org
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some tea party members welcome a shutdown.
boehner admits a shutdown hurts GOP.
A number of tea party members have been on tv saying NO COMPROMISE.
The reality is that you have to compromise on some things. The dems cave on NPR, the repubs cave on abortion, you meet in the middle.
(although it is weird the cuts seem to have to stem from the Bible, and not from boring civic things lol)
Boehnner compromised for years. Both parties do. Compromise can prevent a shutdown. Not happening now.
Does anyone here honestly thing Boehnner controls the tea party members? Chime in please
What compromise do you think there can be? The dollar is weaker again today gas already $4/gallon, prices going up on everything. We tried it the Obama way and shit ain't working.
I always find it strange that compromise is only ever talked about when the Repubs get a majority, never hear that shit when the Dems are in control ( Even though they can't even present a budget). No then its we have to pass the bill to see whats in it ::)
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some tea party members welcome a shutdown.
boehner admits a shutdown hurts GOP.
A number of tea party members have been on tv saying NO COMPROMISE.
The reality is that you have to compromise on some things. The dems cave on NPR, the repubs cave on abortion, you meet in the middle.
(although it is weird the cuts seem to have to stem from the Bible, and not from boring civic things lol)
Boehnner compromised for years. Both parties do. Compromise can prevent a shutdown. Not happening now.
Does anyone here honestly thing Boehnner controls the tea party members? Chime in please
I don't think Boehner can control the tea party. The tea party representatives aren't looking for compromise, so Boehner is in a no win situation.
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some tea party members welcome a shutdown.
boehner admits a shutdown hurts GOP.
A number of tea party members have been on tv saying NO COMPROMISE.
The reality is that you have to compromise on some things. The dems cave on NPR, the repubs cave on abortion, you meet in the middle.
(although it is weird the cuts seem to have to stem from the Bible, and not from boring civic things lol)
Boehnner compromised for years. Both parties do. Compromise can prevent a shutdown. Not happening now.
Does anyone here honestly thing Boehnner controls the tea party members? Chime in please
The Dems, blaming the Tea Party, are showing just how stupid and pitiful they really are. There WAS NO TEA PARTY IN CONGRESS in 2010, when the Dems had COMPLETE control of Washington.
Almost every time someone has asked a Democrat senator or congressman, why they didn't pass a budget in 2010 with complete control, they've hemmed and hawed and clucked and ducked.
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This is entirely on Obama for his last two years of fiscal insanity. I want Lt. Col. west out there w Bachmann w the charts showing the financial insanity of obama over the last two years and shut this mofo down until bama ends his crazy nonsense.
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i hope the Dems don't cave on this one
Boehner has completely lost control and we're facing a government shutdown not over $$$'s but over ideology
TeaBaggers want to defund Planned Parenthood, an organization where 97% of it's activities are devoted to womens health care: Contraception, Preventing and Treating STD's, Cancer Screening, etc...
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Nice propaganda but most are well aware of what "Planned Parenthood" does
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i hope the Dems don't cave on this one
Boehner has completely lost control and we're facing a government shutdown not over $$$'s but over ideology
TeaBaggers want to defund Planned Parenthood, an organization where 97% of it's activities are devoted to womens health care: Contraception, Preventing and Treating STD's, Cancer Screening, etc...
How do you know Boehner has "lost control"? Any facts on this or is it just your assertion?
And one more time everyone, the Democrats had complete control in D.C. for quite some time and they didn't pass a budget.
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Nice propaganda but most are well aware of what "Planned Parenthood" does
you're saying the info I posted is false?
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How do you know Boehner has "lost control"? Any facts on this or is it just your assertion?
And one more time everyone, the Democrats had complete control in D.C. for quite some time and they didn't pass a budget.
just my assertion ...... OBVIOUSLY
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For me its simple:
1.65 TRILLION DEFICIT
Obama wants to shut the govt down over 61 Bill in cuts.
Case closed. He is a reckless madoff at best.
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For me its simple:
1.65 TRILLION DEFICIT
Obama wants to shut the govt down over 61 Bill in cuts.
Case closed. He is a reckless madoff at best.
yeah but this has nothing to do with $$$$
if the Repubs get all the $$$$ they want they still can't wrangle in their Tea Bagger ideolouges
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1.65 TRILLION DEFICIT
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i hope the Dems don't cave on this one
Boehner has completely lost control and we're facing a government shutdown not over $$$'s but over ideology
TeaBaggers want to defund Planned Parenthood, an organization where 97% of it's activities are devoted to womens health care: Contraception, Preventing and Treating STD's, Cancer Screening, etc...
Let's see how important planned parenthood is when we're all standing in bread lines. It's too late for pie charts.
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According to the communist/traitor/marxist/madoff left - abortion is on the same level as the military.
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you're saying the info I posted is false?
I'm saying do a little research on the illegal shit that organization does. Hell it was founded by Margaret Sanger, she's real piece of work.
“[Our objective is] unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children…”[vii]
“The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”[viii]
“Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”[ix]
“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population…”
“Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need … We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock.”[xi]
“Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.”[xii]
“The undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but prevented from propagating their kind.”[xiii]
“The third group [of society] are those irresponsible and reckless ones having little regard for the consequences of their acts, or whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers. Many of this group are diseased, feeble-minded, and are of the pauper element dependent upon the normal and fit members of society for their support. There is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped”[xiv]
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The left wing in this nation are doing the work of bin laden, marx, lenin, mao, roseburg, et al.
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i hope the Dems don't cave on this one
Boehner has completely lost control and we're facing a government shutdown not over $$$'s but over ideology
TeaBaggers want to defund Planned Parenthood, an organization where 97% of it's activities are devoted to womens health care: Contraception, Preventing and Treating STD's, Cancer Screening, etc...
WRONG!!! We're facing shutdown, because Mr. Hope-and-Change and his merry band of GOOFBALLS didn't pass the budget, WHEN THEY HAD COMPLETE CONTROL OF WASHINGTON.
They were too scared to put forth a budget, because they planned on spending us further into oblivion and they knew that, if they did, they'd take an even greater @$$-whipping than they did at midterms.
There were virtually NO Tea Party folk in Congress, in 2010. So, spare us your blubbering about "teabaggers". And, quit making excuses as for why the Messiah and his crew didn't get the job done.
My greatest concern is that our troops, NOW INVOLVED IN A THIRD WAR, won't get paid, because Obama's too concerned about federal funding for baby-killing.
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I'm saying do a little research on the illegal shit that organization does. Hell it was founded by Margaret Sanger, she's real piece of work.
“[Our objective is] unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children…”[vii]
“The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”[viii]
“Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”[ix]
“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population…”
“Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need … We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock.”[xi]
“Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.”[xii]
“The undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but prevented from propagating their kind.”[xiii]
“The third group [of society] are those irresponsible and reckless ones having little regard for the consequences of their acts, or whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers. Many of this group are diseased, feeble-minded, and are of the pauper element dependent upon the normal and fit members of society for their support. There is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped”[xiv]
So. No dispute then that 97% of what they do is provide various kinds of healthcare for women and only 3% is abortion services
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Never mind, I'm not going to waste anymore time discussing this with you
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According to Obama - abortions for degenerates are more important than the military.
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Never mind, I'm not going to waste anymore time discussing this with you
dude - I gave you a simple chart showing the services they provide
if you were able to dispute it with facts you would have done so already
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The Dems, blaming the Tea Party, are showing just how stupid and pitiful they really are. There WAS NO TEA PARTY IN CONGRESS in 2010, when the Dems had COMPLETE control of Washington.
Almost every time someone has asked a Democrat senator or congressman, why they didn't pass a budget in 2010 with complete control, they've hemmed and hawed and clucked and ducked.
passive agressive nonsense
the people to blame for the imminent government shutdown are the people who are preventing an agreement by putting forth an ideological agenda that has nothing to do with money
more than anything in policitics I hate people who are ashamed of their own agenda
Teabggers should come out and and proudly exclaim why they are shutting down the governement
The should say
We are in favor of more unwanted pregnancies (and possibly more people on welfare)
We are in favor of more cases of cervical cancer
We are in favor of more people with STD's
We are in favor of more pollution in our water and air (with all the resulting health consequences)
We are in favor of less restrictions on companies that pollute and also in favor of less financial penalties
Until we get all of these wonderful benefits for the American people we are going to shut down the government
If they did that I would at least give them credit for being honest and not being ashamed of their own agenda
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Simple Straw
www.usdebtclock.org
Let these cheap parasites and roaches pay for their own shit for once.
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passive agressive nonsense
the people to blame for the imminent government shutdown are the people who are preventing an agreement by putting forth an ideological agenda that has nothing to do with money
more than anything in policitics I hate people who are ashamed of their own agenda
Teabggers should come out and and proudly exclaim why they are shutting down the governement
The should say
We are in favor of more unwanted pregnancies (and possibly more people on welfare)
We are in favor of more cases of cervical cancer
We are in favor of more people with STD's
We are in favor of more pollution in our water and air (with all the resulting health consequences)
We are in favor of less restrictions on companies that pollute and also in favor of less financial penalties
Until we get all of these wonderful benefits for the American people we are going to shut down the government
If they did that I would at least give them credit for being honest and not being ashamed of their own agenda
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Simple Straw
www.usdebtclock.org
Let these cheap parasites and roaches pay for their own shit for once.
how many times do you need to be told this threatened shut down is not about money anymore
if it were really about money then someone should explain to the mathematically challenged teabaggers such as yourself that the last shutdown actually cost about 1 billion +
of course that wouldn't matter to them anyway
because this is not about money
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if the teabaggers get their way then those will be the consequences so I have to assume they are in favor of those consequences or why else would they be holding out for them
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$14 Trillion Dollar Debt
$1.65 Trillion Deficit
Dems passed no budget for fiscal year 2010
Screw these pieces of shit. Even Bernie madoff was more responsible than your average communist democrat.
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it's all about planned parenthood. abortion. that's it.
a small fraction of repubs are causing this govt shutdown - cause they want to be able to say "I stopped abortion!"
These fundamentalists are shooting the rest of the repubs in the foot. a simple 300 million for this funding, and they're willing to close down the govt for it. fcking religious nutbags.
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if the teabaggers get their way then those will be the consequences so I have to assume they are in favor of those consequences or why else would they be holding out for them
Talk about constructing a straw man. You knocked that out of the park.
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33, agreed that dems are bags of shit for letting it get this far.
but at this moment, april 2011, we are $300 million away from a budget. It's all abortion. They want to hijack the nation's federal employees cause it's "their chance to redo roe vs wade".
Sure, it plays well with the base who elected them, but it really hurts ALL REPUBS. Boehnner admitted it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Simple Straw
www.usdebtclock.org
Let these cheap parasites and roaches pay for their own shit for once.
sorry - 33 - this holdup is NOT over a simple $300 million.
This is about abortion. MIKE PENCE ADMITTED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Willie geist: Are you willing to hold up this entire budget over planned parenthood.
Mike pence: of course I am.
Pence is also the guy who yelled 'shut it down' to the crowd 2 days ago.
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33, agreed that dems are bags of shit for letting it get this far.
but at this moment, april 2011, we are $300 million away from a budget. It's all abortion. They want to hijack the nation's federal employees cause it's "their chance to redo roe vs wade".
Sure, it plays well with the base who elected them, but it really hurts ALL REPUBS. Boehnner admitted it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no -the dems care more about killing babies than paying the troops, its that simple. Soldiers dont vote for communist dems, single irresponsible women on welfare do.
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no -the dems care more about killing babies than paying the troops, its that simple. Soldiers dont vote for communist dems, single irresponsible women on welfare do.
how the fuck are you a lawyer, really,i have to know
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how the fuck are you a lawyer, really,i have to know
Thats the truth - try to dispute it.
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no -the dems care more about killing babies than paying the troops, its that simple. Soldiers dont vote for communist dems, single irresponsible women on welfare do.
the dems know what they have - lots of quotes from repubs promising to shut down the govt. the nation will blame the repubs, and it'll help dems win back those tea party seats in 2012. They're playing politics.
The repubs are playing politics too - they are trying to suck up to their base by playing chicken here. Either end planned parenthood, or shut down the united states govt. Holy crap, that's a bold ass move. And their base LOVES it.
So they're all playing politics. The dems will win more from it, cause the tea party congressmen already have their base. The ppl who elected them love this move, but they have that vote built in. The dems win because they come away with their base AND the moderate vote. All the moderates see is people like Pence saying "I am willing to shut down the govt over planned parenthood" and screaming "shut it down" for crowds.
This is a fact. You don't have any dems doing that.
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it's all about planned parenthood. abortion. that's it.
a small fraction of repubs are causing this govt shutdown - cause they want to be able to say "I stopped abortion!"
These fundamentalists are shooting the rest of the repubs in the foot. a simple 300 million for this funding, and they're willing to close down the govt for it. fcking religious nutbags.
and the EPA too
Repubs want to increase pollution in our air and water
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and the EPA too
Repubs want to increase pollution in our air and water
You aren't doing yourself any favors with posting dumbass shit like this. You sound like 240 for godsake. The EPA that we have today is a totally different beast than the EPA of the Nixon era.
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keep in mind guys - the far right repubs don't want to end abotion, protect polution, etc.
They just want to cozy up with their base. Like ALL politicians.
They only have their jobs because they promised to compromise zero, screamed louder than anyone else, and in many cases, were just batshit crazy enough for an enraged base.
Once they've been in office, they've been just what they promised. Without the tea party, boehnner would have gotten a lot of what he wanted. Now? he's begging to finish just above 35 billion? After the dems offered 33bil and the repubs wanted 70 bil? All he got was 2 bil extra - cause the dems KNOW they have em by the balls.
The tea party cleaned the dems' clock in 2010, but now they look like nutbags.
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You aren't doing yourself any favors with posting dumbass shit like this. You sound like 240 for godsake. The EPA that we have today is a totally different beast than the EPA of the Nixon era.
last thing I've read is that the EPA riders are out so now wanting higher rates of unwanted pregnancies, higher rates of cervidal cancer and higher rates of STD's
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This is gonna be interesting
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last thing I've read is that the EPA riders are out so now wanting higher rates of unwanted pregnancies, higher rates of cervidal cancer and higher rates of STD's
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Boehnner has stripped away every issue the tea party members would allow. they're not caving on this.
moderate voters now have to accept the fact they have this choice in 2012:
1) Candidates who shut down the USA because they hated planned parenthoods services, which include cancer screening and pregnancy prevention)
2) OTHER
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Typical madoffian-communist-democrats - cry about every cutting a dime from anything.
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Boehnner has stripped away every issue the tea party members would allow. they're not caving on this.
moderate voters now have to accept the fact they have this choice in 2012:
1) Candidates who shut down the USA because they hated planned parenthoods services, which include cancer screening and pregnancy prevention)
2) OTHER
240 "I'm a libertarian" ::) ::) ::)
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those will be the consequences of defunding planned parenthood
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your personal attack shows you know i'm right, don't have a comeback, and think you can change direction.
everyone with a brain reading, knows that the dems are milking this, the repubs look like shit on this.
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those will be the consequences of defunding planned parenthood
you idiot dems say the same thing about cutting a penny from anything at any tme from any program.
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your personal attack shows you know i'm right, don't have a comeback, and think you can change direction.
everyone with a brain reading, knows that the dems are milking this, the repubs look like shit on this.
You are the same guy who said Crist would be the 2012 GOP nominee. I take your posts for comedy mostly.
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you idiot dems say the same thing about cutting a penny from anything at any tme from any program.
that's 97% of what they do so if Repubs want to defund Planned Parenthood then they should just be honest about their intentions and say they are in favor of:
More unwanted pregnancies (and possibly more people on welfare)
More cases of cervical cancer
More people with STD's
What's the problem with just being honest about it?
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i underestimated the influence of the tea party.
i can admit when i'm wrong. you cant.
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i underestimated the influence of the tea party.
i can admit when i'm wrong. you cant.
Tea Party tolled in wisconsin yesterday and will roll in 2012. The far left madoffs are finished.
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plus the abortion part of PP is NOT funded by fed $ - that is illegal.
the govt PP dollars really do go to health probs, etc.
And 75% of people who go to PP are below the poverty level.
This is a frickin' LOSE for repubs when it comes to moderates. boeher knows it. he admits it. Dean and reid both admitted it was a win for repubs).
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that's 97% of what they do so if Repubs want to defund Planned Parenthood then they should just be honest about their intentions and say they are in favor of:
More unwanted pregnancies (and possibly more people on welfare)
More cases of cervical cancer
More people with STD's
What's the problem with just being honest about it?
I know it's hard to accept, but the concept of personal responsibility will have to be learned.
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I know it's hard to accept, but the concept of personal responsibility will have to be learned.
Are you referring to abortion or the other 97% of what PP does?
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Are you referring to abortion or the other 97% of what PP does?
Like what - advocate and campaign for dems?
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Like what - advocate and campaign for dems?
Are you MB?
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Look at these far-left assholes 240 and Straw Man. These sorry excuses for "intelligent" human beings are in full meltdown mode now that the Democrat gravy train is over and their free-spending days are on the cusp of oblivion.
Sorry. You dems had control of EVERYTHING for 2 years and in that time you chose to: 1) not pass a budget and 2) spend this country to the brink of collapse.
Not only that, but you whining bitches STILL won't present a counter-proposal to Ryan's budget. Until you clowns do, shut up.
And not that I give a shit about Planned Parenthood, but it's cute watching Straw Man ignore the abortion issue. Just to smack you in the face again, Planned Parenthood performed 332,278 abortions over the 365 days of 2009. This equals an average of 910 per day — or about 38 per hour, or one every 95 seconds. (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/planned-parenthood-took-life-american-ev)
I'm all for abortion but I can understand why people who are against would have an issue with PP. They're little more than an abortion factory. It's cool that Dems would rather continue abortions than pay the soldiers, though. Way to keep your priorities in line! ::)
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Look at these far-left assholes 240 and Straw Man. These sorry excuses for "intelligent" human beings are in full meltdown mode now that the Democrat gravy train is over and their free-spending days are on the cusp of oblivion.
Sorry. You dems had control of EVERYTHING for 2 years and in that time you chose to: 1) not pass a budget and 2) spend this country to the brink of collapse.
Not only that, but you whining bitches STILL won't present a counter-proposal to Ryan's budget. Until you clowns do, shut up.
And not that I give a shit about Planned Parenthood, but it's cute watching Straw Man ignore the abortion issue. Just to smack you in the face again, Planned Parenthood performed 332,278 abortions over the 365 days of 2009. This equals an average of 910 per day — or about 38 per hour, or one every 95 seconds. (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/planned-parenthood-took-life-american-ev)
I'm all for abortion but I can understand why people who are against would have an issue with PP. They're little more than an abortion factory. It's cool that Dems would rather continue abortions than pay the soldiers, though. Way to keep your priorities in line! ::)
don't you mean that abortions are only a tiny fraction of what they do ?
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Weird.
In 2006 - when the Repubs controlled the house, Senate, and White House:
Planned Parenthood received $305 million.
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Weird.
In 2006 - when the Repubs controlled the house, Senate, and White House:
Planned Parenthood received $305 million.
obviously they didn't care about the deficit then
that's all they care about now
it's not ideology - it's just money
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I'm all for abortion but I can understand why people who are against would have an issue with PP. They're little more than an abortion factory.
Absolutely true. They do about 300,000 abortions a year.
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Deficit was tiny in 06 compAred to now.
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Absolutely true. They do about 300,000 abortions a year.
sounds like the perfect amount to me
or more or less
don't really care
none of my business what other people choose to do
what business is it of yours?
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Deficit was tiny in 06 compAred to now.
LOL
every joke goes right over your flat head
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I know it's hard to accept, but the concept of personal responsibility will have to be learned.
This.
Learn to take care of yourself. The rest of us, though we've long acquiesced to the idea of giving much of OUR money to fund your inability for self-responsibility, are not willing to stand in bread lines tomorrow so that we can take care of you one more day.
I have no problem with planning parenthood.
I don't give a shit if some slut who's too hungover/lazy to get "plan B" ends up getting her booze fueled fetus sucked out of her.
I'm all for lowered levels of STDs.
I'm the last one who wants to see someone's broken condom lead to a leaky discharge.
I'm certainly not pro cervical cancer.
Were my wife every diagnosed, I would take a second job digging ditches, start selling off organs, and do anything and everything possible to help pay for treatment.
However, I am not ready to watch my retirement investments crumble, my kid's college funds be for naught, and am definitely not ready to stand in bread lines to feed my family so that the slovenly leaches who've devoted their lives to sucking from the teet of responsibility can get their monthly supply of "Yaz" for free.
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This.
Learn to take care of yourself. The rest of us, though we've long acquiesced to the idea of giving much of OUR money to fund your inability for self-responsibility, are not willing to stand in bread lines tomorrow so that we can take care of you one more day.
I have no problem with planning parenthood.
I don't give a shit if some slut who's too hungover/lazy to get "plan B" ends up getting her booze fueled fetus sucked out of her.
I'm all for lowered levels of STDs.
I'm the last one who wants to see someone's broken condom lead to a leaky discharge.
I'm certainly not pro cervical cancer.
Were my wife every diagnosed, I would take a second job digging ditches, start selling off organs, and do anything and everything possible to help pay for treatment.
However, I am not ready to watch my retirement investments crumble, my kid's college funds be for naught, and am definitely not ready to stand in bread lines to feed my family so that the slovenly leaches who've devoted their lives to sucking from the teet of responsibility can get their monthly supply of "Yaz" for free.
where are these bread lines tomorrow?
What kind of bread are they selling?
I'm not really following why I should give a shit about your retirement account
how is it any different from mine?
we both need to decide where/how to invest
right?
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where are these bread lines tomorrow?
What kind of bread are they selling?
I'm not really following why I should give a shit about your retirement account
how is it any different from mine?
we both need to decide where/how to invest
right?
Mine's based on the appreciation of high school class rings.
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where are these bread lines tomorrow?
What kind of bread are they selling?
I'm not really following why I should give a shit about your retirement account
how is it any different from mine?
we both need to decide where/how to invest
right?
You really want to ride PP and all the other social programs right to the bitter end? What a way for the country to go under. We can get our finances in order now or let the US become a 3rd world nation.
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You really want to ride PP and all the other social programs right to the bitter end? What a way for the country to go under. We can get our finances in order now or let the US become a 3rd world nation.
How are your finances any different than mine?
I'm not really following why I should give a shit about your country becoming a 3rd world nation.
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Deficit was tiny in 06 compAred to now.
so it was a-okay for the govt to give 300 mil to them - because the debt and deficit was small?
So you're okay with what PP does, and think the govt should be paying for 14 year old sluts to get rubbers?
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Tea Party revels in newfound clout: ‘When we’re cutting, we’re winning’ (WTF!)
Boston Globe ^ | 4/09/11 | Matt Viser
Tea Party revels in newfound clout: ‘When we’re cutting, we’re winning’
By Matt Viser
Globe Staff / April 9, 2011
WASHINGTON — Americans learned yesterday the full power of the Tea Party, with newly elected conservatives calling the shots in the House rather than railing against government from the sidelines. For many in the movement, pushing the government to the brink of closure was a crowning achievement, an emphatic statement that spending must be reined in — and now.
“When we’re cutting,’’ said Representative Nan Hayworth, a New York Republican, “we’re winning.’’
“It’s a victory for the American people,’’ declared Representative Allen West, Republican of Florida. “When you look at what has happened over the past few years — where we’ve had these astronomical debt and deficits — it’s amazing how we’re actually having a conversation in Washington, D.C., about spending cuts.’’
But for those outside the movement, it put on full display the uncompromising principles of the far right, showing that Tea Party-aligned lawmakers are so ideologically rigid they will throw sand into the gears of government to prove their point. Democrats questioned why conservatives who campaigned on creating jobs were so eager to furlough 800,000 government employees and freeze their paychecks.
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so it was a-okay for the govt to give 300 mil to them - because the debt and deficit was small?So you're okay with what PP does, and think the govt should be paying for 14 year old sluts to get rubbers?
and the reality was neither was small then either and at the time was the fourth largest budget deficit in history (see if you notice a pattern)
1. 2004 (George W. Bush) $413 billion
2. 2003 (George W. Bush) $378 billion
3. 2005 (George W. Bush) $318 billion
4. 2006 (George W. Bush) $296 billion (projected)
5. 1992 (George H. W. Bush) $290 billion
Even these numbers don't reflect how bad things were at that time
Even World Net Daily was writing about this and they actually showed the authors name on the article: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39292
So.......why is a smart guy like 333 so utterly misinformed about the deficit and debt from 2006 (he only had the last 5 years to get the actual facts)
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Its all in relation to GDP. And i agree wit you about GWB - God how many ties do I have to trash him already!
But just because GWB was reckless does not make it ok for bama to be reckless.
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Its all in relation to GDP. And i agree wit you about GWB - God how many ties do I have to trash him already!
But just because GWB was reckless does not make it ok for bama to be reckless.
good point
the Repubs have beeny lying about that since the 1980's in order to intentionally explode the debt (mostly in order to steal from the tax payers in order to enrich themselves and their corporate cronies)
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So Straw - what did the dems do between 1992 - 1994? 2006-2010? qwhen they controlled the congress alone?
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So Straw - what did the dems do between 1992 - 1994? 2006-2010? qwhen they controlled the congress alone?
still had Bush's in office during most of that time and Dems didn't "control congress alone". As you know, many Dems voted with the Repubs (even in this last session of Congress) but you almost never see any Repubs voting with Dems
our current deficit includes the Bush tax cuts which virtually all Dems (including Obama) wanted to let expire. Our current deficit also includes Bush's wars (which he conveniently left out of his budget)
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still had Bush's in office during most of that time and Dems didn't "control congress alone". As you know, many Dems voted with the Repubs (even in this last session of Congress) but you almost never see any Repubs voting with Dems
our current deficit includes the Bush tax cuts which virtually all Dems (including Obama) wanted to let expire. Our current deficit also includes Bush's wars (which he conveniently left out of his budget)
Those "Bush Tax Cuts", according to the CBO, are about 70billion of the total deficit. Those are a red herring.
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Those "Bush Tax Cuts", according to the CBO, are about 70billion of the total deficit. Those are a red herring.
the current year?
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the current year?
Yes. This was all hashed out during the fight extend/stop the tax cuts for the "rich".
It's all theater, really. Until entitlements/defense spending/growth of government and tax law are addressed nothing really changes.
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Yes. This was all hashed out during the fight extend/stop the tax cuts for the "rich".
It's all theater, really. Until entitlements/defense spending/growth of government and tax law are addressed nothing really changes.
so the Repubs who were so concerned about spending cuts that they almost shut down the government over $300 million in funding to Planned Parenthood and eventually agreed to 38.5 billion in spending cuts actually contributed 70 billion to the current years deficit by insisting on extending the Bush Tax Cuts
I agree with you
this is all theater.....and the show sucks