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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: lesaucer on April 25, 2011, 03:31:38 PM
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yo guys look at this
Post Workout Nutrition Research Studies:
While the conerstone of post-workout nutrition, traditionally has been a high carb drink immediately after a workout, many bodybuilders now advocate Protein added also. A study (Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Apr;288(4):E645-53. Epub 2004 Nov 23) showed increased Protein synthesis from amino acid plus carbs over the carb only. Another study (J Appl Physiol. 2004 Feb;96(2):674-8. Epub 2003 Oct 31) also found net positive body Protein balance, was better with amino acids than carbs post workout. A study published in Diabetes. 1999 May;48(5):949-57, showed insulin had 3 times greater effect on amino acid transport. Researchers concluded that low amino acid availability, could limit the insulin’s effect on muscle Protein synthesis after exercise.
There is some conflicting results, on the factor of Protein added to carbs, on glycogen synthesis and recovery. I believe one reason why there is some conflicting results can be found in research study published in Am J Clin Nutr. 2000 Jul;72(1):106-11. In the study glycogen synthesis was increased from either, Protein + carbs drink or simply increasing the carb intake, compared to the normal carb drink group. The Protein plus carbs and the higher carb group, had a higher insulin response than the normal carb group. In other words, adding Protein and aminos to a post workout drink, just may be a expensive form of glucose(once it’s converted in the body). Therefore, the amount of carbs to cause a adequate insulin spike, is the main factor in glycogen synthesis and recovery. I should also add that, glycogen recovery is of little importance to bodybuilders. Our main focus, is post workout nutrition’s effect on Protein synthesis and anabolic hormone production.
Carbohydrates are important post workout because of the hormonal changes they cause with insulin. IGF-1 releases when growth hormone and insulin are high. After a workout your insulin will be low, but your growth hormone levels should be high. By having a carb drink post workout, you will spike your insulin and cause the release of IGF-1 as a result. IGF-1 is extremely important in muscle growth. Another reason carbs are important is in controlling cortisol. Cortisol starts producing heavily near the end of a workout and we know cortisol production is blunted by spikes in insulin, which high carb intake causes.
A study in J Appl Physiol. 1998 Oct;85(4):1544-55 showed differences in hormonal changes for days, between the placebo and those supplementing carbs and Protein for pre and post workout meals. In this study, growth hormone and testosterone were elevated immediately post workout. On day one, growth hormone increased more for the supplemented group. Cortisol production post workout was blunted by the supplement group. IGF-1 was also increased for the supplement group on days 2 and 3. This study shows that what you eat before and after workout, can effect your hormonal response for multiple days.
What should I eat for my post-workout meal?
You should have carbohydrates and Protein as soon as possible post-workout, preferably in a liquid form. These days, many bodybuilders are now advocating low glycemic carbs after workout. These bodybuilders believe the massive high glycemic carbs post workout, leads long term to increased insulin tolerance(decreased insulin sensitivity). Maintaining insulin sensitivity long term, is crucial because it leads to more muscle gains, fat loss, and reduced risk for diabetes. Many bodybuilders have reported no reduced gains, resulting from a switch to low glycemic carbs postworkout.
read what is bold rest we dont care, what i understand is if you use slin pre workout, your gh production will be low AND there will be minimal igf-1 production too. so best thing for people not taking synthetic gh but taking slin would be to take it post workout for maximum results!
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read what is bold rest we dont care, what i understand is if you use slin pre workout, your gh production will be low AND there will be minimal igf-1 production too. so best thing for people not taking synthetic gh but taking slin would be to take it post workout for maximum results!
You can actually increase GH with insulin, but let's not discuss that. :D
In any case, none of this natural GH manipulation matters one iota.
Besides, the study actually showed those taking carbs/protein before training had higher GH, not the other way around.
Jut eat regularly and don't get caught up in this minutiae. 8)
(http://jap.physiology.org/content/85/4/1544/F3.medium.gif)
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Jut eat regularly and don't get caught up in this minutiae. 8)
this 8)
Also, I tried training high frenquency like Layne suggest, you can actually see your body change monthly
fuck the once a week shiznit, i am actually training everything 2 times a week now and legs 3 times (not all workouts are "heavy" tho, of course)
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You can actually increase GH with insulin, but let's not discuss that. :D
In any case, none of this natural GH manipulation matters one iota.
Besides, the study actually showed those taking carbs/protein before training had higher GH, not the other way around.
Jut eat regularly and don't get caught up in this minutiae. 8)
(http://jap.physiology.org/content/85/4/1544/F3.medium.gif)
fuck this fucking shit! i dont know what to think anymore!!!
alright then ill go hypo on the verge of dying to increase my gh!! haha, die for mass!!
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Insulin never gave me "solid" mass, just made my bodyweight go up 15-20 lbs but mainly from water retention + glycogene
sick pump on that tho.
I'll use it with my hgh before my first training, Buselmo said I won't go hypo shooting it at the same time as the GHona, so I'll try 8)
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Insulin never gave me "solid" mass, just made my bodyweight go up 15-20 lbs but mainly from water retention + glycogene
sick pump on that tho.
I'll use it with my hgh before my first training, Buselmo said I won't go hypo shooting it at the same time as the GHona, so I'll try 8)
bro i went up to 25iu pre workout, no hypo but always had high carbs pre-during and post.. but i dont see any difference in using 15 or 25, same pump..and i dont think it make a difference in your body.. now i use 15iu morning shot, and im going to do 15iu post wo too instead or pre now just to see if van is right haha
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You can actually increase GH with insulin, but let's not discuss that. :D
In any case, none of this natural GH manipulation matters one iota.
Besides, the study actually showed those taking carbs/protein before training had higher GH, not the other way around.
Jut eat regularly and don't get caught up in this minutiae. 8)
(http://jap.physiology.org/content/85/4/1544/F3.medium.gif)
what do you think about using igf1-lr3 ? it looks great on paper and i see some guys who got awesome results with it on forums
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if you can find REAL igf...
but you probably won't :-\
fucking counterfeiters
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what do you think about using igf1-lr3 ? it looks great on paper and i see some guys who got awesome results with it on forums
But that's just the thing - it doesn't look like anything on paper since there's no human studies on the LR3!
IGF-1 is actually now approved for human use in certain growth disorders (search mecasermin for example). So that we know stuff about, side effects, approximate dosages and so forth. The LR3 is all trial and error and guess work and it hasn't been the magic it was touted to be years ago. Is the dose too low? Is the low protein binding a negative? I suspect yes to both. rhIGF-1 is dosed in the milligrams every day. Would be interesting to try... my hunch is that it would "work" pretty good.
Forum feedback = basically shit, especially the first few years of new type of drug use. All placebo and product shilling.
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But that's just the thing - it doesn't look like anything on paper since there's no human studies on the LR3!
IGF-1 is actually now approved for human use in certain growth disorders (search mecasermin for example). So that we know stuff about, side effects, approximate dosages and so forth. The LR3 is all trial and error and guess work and it hasn't been the magic it was touted to be years ago. Is the dose too low? Is the low protein binding a negative? I suspect yes to both. rhIGF-1 is dosed in the milligrams every day. Would be interesting to try... my hunch is that it would "work" pretty good.
Forum feedback = basically shit, especially the first few years of new type of drug use. All placebo and product shilling.
there was a guy who has measured his arms before and after dont remember the numbers exactly but gained like .5inch .. one other guy said he was a new pro around 2005, gained 6 lean lbs by not changing his aas, just from adding this stuff.. and one other was injecting his dick and said he gained .5 inch too hahaha pointless without links but ill find them when i get home later