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Years of intelligence gathering, including details gleaned from controversial interrogations of Al Qaeda members during the Bush administration, ultimately led the Navy SEALs who killed Usama bin Laden to his compound in Pakistan.
The initial threads of intelligence began surfacing in 2003 and came in the form of information about a trusted bin Laden courier, a senior U.S. official told Fox News on condition of anonymity. Bin Laden had cut off all traditional lines of communication with his network by this time because the Al Qaeda leader knew the U.S. intelligence community was monitoring him. It was said that he also didn't even trust his most loyal men to know his whereabouts and instead communicated only through couriers.
But it was four years later, in 2007, that terror suspects at the Guantanamo Bay military prison started giving up information about the key courier.
Around this time, the use of enhanced interrogation tactics, including waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning, were being denounced as torture by critics of the Bush administration. President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney came under intense pressure for supporting rough treatment of prisoners. Critics claimed that any information given under duress simply couldn't be trusted.
It is an argument that Bush and Cheney strongly rejected then, and now.
"I would assume that the enhanced interrogation program that we put in place produced some of the results that led to bin Laden's ultimate capture," Cheney told Fox News on Monday, a hint of vindication in his voice.
The White House on Tuesday sought to downplay the role that Bush-era interrogations played in gathering the information that led to bin Laden's death.
"Some of it came from individuals who were in custody. Some of it came from human sources," counterterrorism adviser John Brennan told Fox News. "But there was no single bit of information that was instrumental."
Brennan acknowledged that "those in detention" provided key information, but stressed that it was obtained in a variety of different ways.
"Sometimes they gave us information willingly," Brennan said, adding that sometimes they gave misinformation and sometimes they inadvertently spilled clues that unlocked other intelligence.
"This was a painstaking ... body of work that was done that was over the course of many, many years," he said.
Former Bush administration officials, as well as Republican lawmakers, have given President Obama and his national security team great credit for the daring operation Sunday that ended with bin Laden being shot to death by a CIA-led Navy SEALs team. But they also point to indications that the controversial interrogation program and information gleaned from detainees at Guantanamo Bay and at secret overseas prisons may have played a key role, in claiming Bush-era policies helped set the stage for Sunday's success.
"This really does stretch over two presidencies," former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told Fox News on Tuesday. "There's a long train here, and it leads back, I think, to good counterterrorism policies that were put in place in 2001."
Information was given up by prisoners, including 9/11 architect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. U.S. officials described the courier as a talented protege and trusted associate of both Mohammed and Al Qaeda's No. 3 leader at the time, Abu Faraj al Libi. Both men were held at Guantanamo Bay.
U.S. officials were told the courier's name was known only to bin Laden's innermost circle.
By 2009, the U.S. intelligence community had a rough idea of where the courier operated: a region north of Islamabad, Pakistan. It was another year before this compound was identified in August 2010 as a likely home for a senior Al Qaeda member.
The compound was eight times the size of other homes in the affluent neighborhood, and the impressive 18-foot-high walls with barbed wire drew scrutiny from intelligence analysts.
By early this year, information from multiple intelligence sources, including the now-shuttered harsh interrogation program, as well as CIA operatives and Special Operations Forces on the ground in Afghanistan and Pakistan, were building a clearer case that the compound might house bin Laden. Officials found out that there were three families living there. In addition, a significantly older man, who was shown deference by the group, was not required to work on the compound.
Critics of the Bush-era interrogation programs have suggested that the harsh interrogations were not essential to tracking bin Laden and that the information could have been obtained by more humane means. But for Cheney and other Bush administration alumni, Sunday's raid stands as proof their system worked.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/02/bush-era-interrogations-provided-key-details-bin-ladens-location/#ixzz1LIxTLtou
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"their system"
Oh really? ::)
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Negotiator's from the U.S., Israel, The Rothschilds, and China sat down with Bin Laden and hammered out a deal with a significant amount of cash and bonds being transferred into Bin Laden's offshore accounts. The assassination/burial at sea front story was lifted from a Hollywood screenplay written by a Don Leonard. Bin Laden will wind up in either the Swiss Alps or Brazil.
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i already thought something like that
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i'm sure bin laden would fit right in, not looking out of place at all in the swiss alps. especially with that bullet in his eye ;D
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Negotiator's from the U.S., Israel, The Rothschilds, and China sat down with Bin Laden and hammered out a deal with a significant amount of cash and bonds being transferred into Bin Laden's offshore accounts. The assassination/burial at sea front story was lifted from a Hollywood screenplay written by a Don Leonard. Bin Laden will wind up in either the Swiss Alps or Brazil.
You mean they left out the Grays and the Bavarian Illuminati? Foolishness! We're all doomed!
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You can swallow all the news the Rithschilds feed you but mark my words, Bin Laden isn't dead, and he doesn't need to "fit in" anywhere. Does it really take 40 minutes for forty men to shoot three humans and one female?
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Where thr Rothschilds are so go the Reptilians. The Grays are the grunts of outer space.
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(http://www.zgeek.com/forum/gallery/files/1/1/5/8/0/tinfoil_hat.jpg)
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I heard he was being held in the Nazi base in Antarctica. Maybe we need the Tall Blonde aliens to sort this all out.
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was branch at the meeting?
:D
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You can swallow all the news the Rithschilds feed you but mark my words, Bin Laden isn't dead,
Consider your words marked, friend, and I will be the first to congratulate you when TMZ catches him snowboarding in Switzerland.
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He moved in with Elvis
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we still have the body, right?
Don't nobody watch Perry Mason?
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yes.. i wonder how obama will answer that question since he said that he would not allow torture.. in this case it gave him bin laden..
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Racist thread reported.
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LOL @ "The Coach" & FOX "News" ::) Hopelessly stuck on stupid.
Senate Intel Chair: Torture Did Not Lead To Bin Laden In Any Way
Brian Beutler | May 3, 2011
More and more evidence suggests a key piece of intelligence -- the first link in the chain of information that led U.S. intelligence officials to Osama bin Laden -- wasn't tortured out of its source. And, indeed, that torture actually failed to produce it.
"To the best of our knowledge, based on a look, none of it came as a result of harsh interrogation practices," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee in a wide-ranging press conference.
Moreover, Feinstein added, nothing about the sequence of events that culminated in Sunday's raid vindicates the Bush-era techniques, nor their use of black sites -- secret prisons, operated by the CIA.
"Absolutely not, I do not," Feinstein said. "I happen to know a good deal about how those interrogations were conducted, and in my view nothing justifies the kind of procedures that were used."
This is a mix of fresh, on-the-record information and push back against Republicans -- many of them former Bush administration officials -- who are tying themselves in knots to claim that Bush's interrogation policies got the ball rolling on the bin Laden killing.
"I would assume that the enhanced interrogation program that we put in place produced some of the results that led to bin Laden's ultimate capture," said former Vice President Dick Cheney on Fox News.
Here's Rep. Peter King (R-NY), chair of the House Homeland Security Committee, also on Fox: "We obtained that information through waterboarding. So for those who say that waterboarding doesn't work, who say it should be stopped and never used again, we got vital information which directly led us to bin Laden."
However, multiple reports preceding Feinstein's remarks suggest that waterboarding failed to produce the key piece of information -- bin Laden's courier's nom de guerre.
Feinstein went even further, claiming that change to U.S. intelligence processes ushered in by the Obama administration were seminal in capturing bin Laden.
"I think the red-teaming of the intelligence was significant, and they red-teamed and red-teamed and red-teamed. And of course what that means is they looked for reasons why what they had as a piece of intelligence might not be accurate, or might indicate something else," Feinstein said. "And that's a very good process -- it's a solid process -- because it exposes weaknesses in the intelligence.... It didn't happen over the Iraq National Intelligence Estimate."
Feinstein further claimed that the Obama administration's decision to reconstitute the CIA's bin Laden unit -- which the Bush administration shuttered in 2005 -- was a key factor in the mission's ultimate success. "I think it was very crucial," she said. "I mean this has been there for a substantial period of time. People become experienced with the intelligence."
Not all Republicans are claiming that bin Laden's killing vindicates torture. At a Capitol press conference Tuesday afternoon, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) stood apart from his colleagues in the GOP. "This idea we caught bin Laden because of waterboarding I think is a misstatement," he said. "This whole concept of how we caught bin Laden is a lot of work over time by different people and putting the puzzle together. I do not believe this is a time to celebrate waterboarding, I believe this is a time to celebrate hard work."
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Repubes Say Torture Led To bin Laden. Facts Say Otherwise.
You could see this one coming a mile off. Here's Dick Cheney on Fox News: "I would assume the enhanced interrogation program we put in place produced some of the results that led to bin Laden's ultimate capture.... We need to keep in place those policies that made it possible for us to succeed in this case."
Here's an AP story reiterating the same.
Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden's most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed's successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.
Or how about the Heritage Foundation screaming "Detainee Interrogations: Key to Killing Osama bin Laden": "This lead was developed during the Bush Administration, most likely from al-Qaeda associates picked up and transferred to Guantanamo and subject to interrogations that critics have repeatedly deemed to be pointless in terms of intelligence value. Whether these detainees remain at Guantanamo is an open question." See, if Bush and Cheney hadn't been man enough to torture people, we never would have found bin Laden. Nine years later.
There's plenty more where that came from:
* Rep. Steve King (R-IA) tweeted, "Wonder what President Obama thinks of water boarding now?"
* Karl Rove said on Fox & Friends this morning: "I think the tools that President Bush put into place—GITMO, rendition, enhanced interrogation, the vast effort to collect and collate this information — obviously served his successor quite well."
* Bush torture architect John Yoo says "Without the tough decisions taken by President Bush and his national security team, the United States could not have found and killed bin Laden. It is the continuity of policies in the war on terror that has brought success, not the misguided effort of the last two years to disavow them."
Let's revisit history, again, by going to the best source, Marcy Wheeler at emptywheel.The waterboarding of KSM, all 183 instances, occurred in March, 2003. The torture of al Libi happened in early 2002, after his November, 2001 capture.
As Marcy explained in an e-mail:
Assuming they got the courier's name in 2005 or 2006, per reports, it happened 2 years or more after KSM's waterboarding.
Which would say KSM withheld this information under waterboarding.
And given how much time it took to actually get from the courier to the compound (presumably about 4 years), both KSM and al-Libi didn't give all that much on the courier(s).
KSML was waterboarded 183 times, presumably without revealing the name of the courier. And, since it took 183 tries, the efficacy of the whole enterprise can only be questioned. [Update: The following applies to Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, not to Abu Faraj al-Libi, who is sourced in the AP story. The lesson about the effectiveness of torture remains unchanged, but the timeline for Abu Faraj al-Libi is slightly different. See emptywheel for more on that.] But what the torture of al Libi "revealed" is even more damning for the pro-torturers's case.
Having slipped off the radar, the government clearly does not want his case revived, not only because it may have to explain what has happened to him, but also because, as a result of the application of "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques," al-Libi claimed that Saddam Hussein had offered to train two al-Qaeda operatives in the use of chemical and biological weapons.
Al-Libi's "confession" led to President Bush declaring, in October 2002, "Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb making and poisons and gases," and his claims were, notoriously, included in Colin Powell's speech to the UN Security Council on February 5, 2003. The claims were of course, groundless, and were recanted by al-Libi in January 2004, but it took Dan Cloonan, a veteran FBI interrogator, who was resolutely opposed to the use of torture, to explain why they should never have been believed in the first place. Cloonan told Jane Mayer, "It was ridiculous for interrogators to think Libi would have known anything about Iraq... The reason they got bad information is that they beat it out of him. You never get good information from someone that way."
What torture got us, in practical terms, was the Iraq debacle. And the complete and well-deserved debasement of our international standing. And a hell of a lot more anti-American terrorists.
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Seriously, you're throwing quotes out from Fienstein? Hahahahahahahaha. She's so in fucking denial she's delusional. Maybe she should take a history lesson for AT LEAST the last 10 years. Haha
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Seriously, you're throwing quotes out from Fienstein? Hahahahahahahaha. She's so in fucking denial she's delusional. Maybe she should take a history lesson for AT LEAST the last 10 years. Haha
Gee...who knows more..."The Coach", or the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee? ::)
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BOOM! ;D
Republicans won't give full credit to President Obama for the discovery and death of Osama Bin Laden - so they're giving it to George Bush. Cenk Uygur explains why this is ABSURD.
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Oh yeah, I forgot "The Coach" said that Obama was a pathological "lair." ;D
During the 2008 Presidential Campaign, Barack Obama said "We will kill Bin Laden" and he was right.
Unlike this moron dummies like "The Coach" elected not once, but twice. :(
CNN: 2001, President George W. Bush 'Bin Laden, Wanted dead or alive'
Then-President George W. Bush vows to get Osama bin Laden soon after the 9/11 attacks.
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Were not giving him full credit because he doesn't deserve full credit, what part of Feinstien having a political agenda don't you get??
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"Never argue with an idiot(Coach). They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." ...
QFT
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You're denying it wasn't Bushs policies that were KEPT in place that helped lead the way to Bin Laden? You're saying this was entirely Obamas plan? You're fucking daffy if that's what you think. Remember dude, it was the left and Obama who wanted to stop the wire taps, water boarding and everything else Bush put into place, hell they even brought it to court because they (liberals) thought it was unconstitutional. Remember that Benny (and Feinstien)?
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It's honestly embarrassing how you act Coach, you're like a 10 year old. Put the bs politics aside for one moment. Obama and his team pulled this one off. The work Bush put in years ago did not influence this. Sometime you just have to congratulate the other team on a win, maybe next time it will be yours.
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I act like a 10 year old for providing where it started? I'm not taking credit away from Obama, I'm saying the left refuse to give credit where credit is due. Again, as I said before any article, tv or anything else. I stated this in almost my very first post.
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This is fucking rediculous.
The US Military and intelligence services killed Osama.
Only thing Obama had to do with it with the stroke of the pen that sent the SEALs in.
People are fucking rediculous trying to give credit to Obama or Bush. Jesus Christ.
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This is fucking rediculous.
The US Military and intelligence services killed Osama.
Only thing Obama had to do with it with the stroke of the pen that sent the SEALs in.
People are fucking rediculous trying to give credit to Obama or Bush. Jesus Christ.
That's the way it is in politics or business or sport coaching........ .etc . The top guy gets the credit they also get the blame even if isn't their fault.
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Both Bush and Obama derserve credit. Bush put all of the ground work in place for obama to follow. Its getting pretty fucking annoying hearing all of the liberal chest thumping. The same liberals that always bash the military and protest war ect. Isn't Obama the guy that wants to make major cuts in military budget? The same President who hired lawyers to investigate Dick Cheney and the secret cia prisons that were built? Totally over the top. The same president who wants to give constitutional rights to terroists. Yes Obama is still a huge douche bagge. The guy got pretty lucky this whole Osama thing fell right into his lap. He did make a gutsie decision he gets that!
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You're denying it wasn't Bushs policies that were KEPT in place that helped lead the way to Bin Laden? You're saying this was entirely Obamas plan? You're fucking daffy if that's what you think. Remember dude, it was the left and Obama who wanted to stop the wire taps, water boarding and everything else Bush put into place, hell they even brought it to court because they (liberals) thought it was unconstitutional. Remember that Benny (and Feinstien)?
No question that SOME of the Bush terror fighting policies were good and that is why Obama kept some of them after he took office.
He also must have realize they needed to keep some guys locked up in Gitmo as well.
An intelligent leader like Obama doesn't use/avoid a policy because someone else used it.
Obama combined what worked in the past with some new ideas that would work for the BEST overall policy.
Pres Obama showed good judgement and we got him. Give him credit and be fair here, End of story.
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I act like a 10 year old for providing where it started? I'm not taking credit away from Obama, I'm saying the left refuse to give credit where credit is due. Again, as I said before any article, tv or anything else. I stated this in almost my very first post.
Like I posted Obama kept some of the effective Bush policies in place along with Sec Gates.
Both Pres Bush and VP CVheney were gracious and congratulated the millitary and Pres Obama for pulling this off.
Follow their lead and act with some class here and let's simply cheer for the USA!
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Like I posted Obama kept some of the effective Bush policies in place along with Sec Gates.
Both Pres Bush and VP CVheney were gracious and congratulated the millitary and Pres Obama for pulling this off.
Follow their lead and act with some class here and let's simply cheer for the USA!
Are you still in a cave Howard?
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Gee...who knows more..."The Coach", or the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee? ::)
You're going to tell me that Fienstein trumps Panetta?
Read this.....
On release of a photograph depicting Osama bin Laden’s death:
LEON PANETTA: The government obviously has been talking about how best to do this, but I don't think there was any question that ultimately a photograph would be presented to the public.
On rules of engagement:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Did the President's order read capture or kill or both or just one of those?
LEON PANETTA: The authorities we have on Bin Laden are to kill him. And that was made clear. But it was also, as part of their rules of engagement, if he suddenly put up his hands and offered to be captured, then-- they would have the opportunity, obviously, to capture him. But that opportunity never developed.
On Pakistani involvement:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: What did the Pakistanis know and when did they know it?
LEON PANETTA: The Pakistanis did not know anything about this mission… that was deliberate on our part that this would be conducted as a unilateral mission. President Obama had made very clear to the Pakistanis that if we had good evidence as to where Osama bin Laden was located we were going to go in and get him. And-- that's exactly what happened.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Well, and I ask that because I'm curious as to why, given all the hardware, the garrison, the personnel, it-- retired military officers in that immediate area, why weren't the United States forces fired upon?
LEON PANETTA: Well, that was obviously a concern that was raised at the time we were considering this operation, which was going into this kind of sensitive area with helicopters and SEALs and landing on this compound-- would the Pakistanis suddenly respond and you know, try to pin down our forces. Frankly, we, you know, we considered all of those contingencies. That's why we had the backup helicopters in place.
On the role of interrogation:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?
LEON PANETTA: Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here… It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got… I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: So finer point, one final time, enhanced interrogation techniques -- which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years -- that includes water boarding?
LEON PANETTA: That's correct.
Read more: http://thepage.time.com/2011/05/03/panetta-public-likely-to-see-obl-picture/#ixzz1LKmNA15i
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some of the press is acting like obama planned the thing.. he did not.. no one with no military experience is going to tell the seal team or the military how to do their work.. the pres was given options.. they told him what they could or couldnt do.. he picked the best option given to him.. nothing more..
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no matter who was in power during 9/11, bin laden would have had a price on his head and effort to find him would have been the same. bush was not proactive. he just did what ANY president would have done.
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some of the press is acting like obama planned the thing.. he did not.. no one with no military experience is going to tell the seal team or the military how to do their work.. the pres was given options.. they told him what they could or couldnt do.. he picked the best option given to him.. nothing more..
Why we blame Bin Laden for 9/11 , he didn't teach Mohamed Atta how to speak English or fly airplanes , Hitler didn't teach the executioners how much cyanide they needed to use for a gas chamber................. .......................
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Why we blame Bin Laden for 9/11 , he didn't teach Mohamed Atta how to speak English or fly airplanes , Hitler didn't teach the executioners how much cyanide they needed to use for a gas chamber................. .......................
Thats like asking why blame Manson for all the killings when he never pulled the trigger.
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Thats like asking why blame Manson for all the killings when he never pulled the trigger.
Exactly Cuch you get my point.
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Thats like asking why blame Manson for all the killings when he never pulled the trigger.
GREAT point , same with Hitler and Saddam Hussein, etc
Ya know Coach, you are a smart guy and obviously try to stay informed on world events.
Why not just say that the USA millitary and Pres Obama did the job and congratulate them...PERIOD.
Why is it so hard for you say that Obama got this one 100% right and leave it at that.
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You're going to tell me that Fienstein trumps Panetta?
Read this.....
On release of a photograph depicting Osama bin Laden’s death:
LEON PANETTA: The government obviously has been talking about how best to do this, but I don't think there was any question that ultimately a photograph would be presented to the public.
On rules of engagement:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Did the President's order read capture or kill or both or just one of those?
LEON PANETTA: The authorities we have on Bin Laden are to kill him. And that was made clear. But it was also, as part of their rules of engagement, if he suddenly put up his hands and offered to be captured, then-- they would have the opportunity, obviously, to capture him. But that opportunity never developed.
On Pakistani involvement:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: What did the Pakistanis know and when did they know it?
LEON PANETTA: The Pakistanis did not know anything about this mission… that was deliberate on our part that this would be conducted as a unilateral mission. President Obama had made very clear to the Pakistanis that if we had good evidence as to where Osama bin Laden was located we were going to go in and get him. And-- that's exactly what happened.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Well, and I ask that because I'm curious as to why, given all the hardware, the garrison, the personnel, it-- retired military officers in that immediate area, why weren't the United States forces fired upon?
LEON PANETTA: Well, that was obviously a concern that was raised at the time we were considering this operation, which was going into this kind of sensitive area with helicopters and SEALs and landing on this compound-- would the Pakistanis suddenly respond and you know, try to pin down our forces. Frankly, we, you know, we considered all of those contingencies. That's why we had the backup helicopters in place.
On the role of interrogation:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?
LEON PANETTA: Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here… It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got… I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: So finer point, one final time, enhanced interrogation techniques -- which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years -- that includes water boarding?
LEON PANETTA: That's correct.
Read more: http://thepage.time.com/2011/05/03/panetta-public-likely-to-see-obl-picture/#ixzz1LKmNA15i
Even if that was the case you seem to be taking some amount of pride in this. Those interrogation tactics were an embarrassment to this country and harmed our world image. Even John McCain said it. We don't torture. We don't go around the Geneva Conventions.
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Even if that was the case you seem to be taking some amount of pride in this. Those interrogation tactics were an embarrassment to this country and harmed our world image. Even John McCain said it. We don't torture. We don't go around the Geneva Conventions.
I voted for Obama but also know questionable actions/operations are always going on behind the scenes with every US President.
Bottom line is most of us will never really know exactly what kind of stuff hapnes behind the scenes with the CIA and special ops, etc
We just have to trust our President to act as moral and ethical as possible and still get the job done.
When dealing with terrorists, thngs are NOT going to be black and white, but gray.
We won this time and did it right.
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You're denying it wasn't Bushs policies that were KEPT in place that helped lead the way to Bin Laden? You're saying this was entirely Obamas plan? You're fucking daffy if that's what you think. Remember dude, it was the left and Obama who wanted to stop the wire taps, water boarding and everything else Bush put into place, hell they even brought it to court because they (liberals) thought it was unconstitutional. Remember that Benny (and Feinstien)?
"Coach", you and the fat bastard you worship are the two sorest losers ever. The bottom line is that Bush failed to get Bin Laden in 8 years whilst Obama got him in less than two. Deal with it.
You conservatives are the stupidest people on Earth. You worship the Christian God and capitalism at the same time, even though the founder of your religion commanded his followers to give away all their wealth to the poor, expelled the traders from the temple and said that the meek shall inherit the Earth. Riddle me that, dumbass?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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"Coach", you and the fat bastard you worship are the two sorest losers ever. The bottom line is that Bush failed to get Bin Laden in 8 years whilst Obama got him in less than two. Deal with it.
You conservatives are the stupidest people on Earth. You worship the Christian God and capitalism at the same time, even though the founder of your religion commanded his followers to give away all their wealth to the poor, expelled the traders from the temple and said that the meek shall inherit the Earth. Riddle me that, dumbass?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Obama is the President that got him and deserves the credit for being the comander -in -chief when it happened.
I have no doubt that some of the Bush era info may have helped get him.
This is a victory for the USA and a better world.
But yes, I just wish the right wing could give Obama credit without all the extra statements on Bush, etc.
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I know it's been posted but memories seem to be short around here. There is nothing i can say that hasn't been said already. Some people will only read certain articles and block their minds off to the others. The facts are facts. You may not like the guy but he did what he said he was going to do. Universal Health Care sucks but he damn well got it in there. People expect an economy to recover over night at the whim of a presidents fancy. There is an association with the president and the economy... how close that association is is hard to tell. We can't sit here and blame Obama for a bust economy though and then turn around and give Bush credit for Osama. Lets be real here. Lets also give credit to where it is really due which is our CIA and Special Ops units for making this happen.
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Leafy, Pres Obama and the US miliitary got the Bin Ladin.
BOTH Bush and Obama wanted what was best for the safety of USA.
In my opinion Pres Obama has shown better judgment on key issues at tough times.
This is no time to bash any US President . Keep your eye on the ball Leafy
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Leafy, Pres Obama and the US miliitary got the Bin Ladin.
BOTH Bush and Obama wanted what was best for the safety of USA.
In my opinion Pres Obama has shown better judgment on key issues at tough times.
This is no time to bash any US President . Keep your eye on the ball Leafy
Where am i bashing anyone? Reread the post.
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this is not right or left issue ,,this is world issue,,the credit go to the president who was in office at the time but it goes to usa as a nation,,you acting like everyone praise obama which is not true,,he has many people who bucher him day in day out including me,,this is not a president thign its a nation thing,, he can and should use it in his reelction because he fuckin planned the damn thing and took sole responsibilty over the outcome,,if he failed he would have been buchered out of office ,,but it didnt fail it was sucess and thus deservly the comander in chief get credit among since he is the FIRST IN COMMAND OF THE MILITARY MEANING HE IS THE COMMANDER OF THOSE SEALS,,HE IS THEIR TOP AUTHORITY !
until few days ago obama was playing with poop on the surface,,he didnt but on the surface he seemed like he was playing with poop,,the reality is...that he was doing the most republican thing possible for his nation ...like he PROMISED...
he chased the terrorist,, he came to his house...he broke the door...he entered inside...he shot him in the head...he took the body ...he left with star spangled banner flashing the arabian sky FOR THEM TO LEARN WHAT IS THE END RESULT OF MESSING WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
now ,,they wil go on ,,the al zawaris and the rest of the lunatiks...they will go on and try to do shit,,they probbaly have something in plan right now that will be texecuted or try to ,,but! we will get them too,,each and every one of them ,,IN TIME
all marked
gh15 approved
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Where am i bashing anyone? Reread the post.
I hear ya. My point is we need to simply celebrate what happened and be glad we got him.
I don't see the need to bring in extra issues or stuff at this time.
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Somewhere along the line you guys are thinking I'm not giving Obama any credit, through out this entire thread and others, I have given him credit and that was never the issue.
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this is not right or left issue ,,this is world issue,,the credit go to the president who was in office at the time but it goes to usa as a nation,,you acting like everyone praise obama which is not true,,he has many people who bucher him day in day out including me,,this is not a president thign its a nation thing,, he can and should use it in his reelction because he fuckin planned the damn thing and took sole responsibilty over the outcome,,if he failed he would have been buchered out of office ,,but it didnt fail it was sucess and thus deservly the comander in chief get credit among since he is the FIRST IN COMMAND OF THE MILITARY MEANING HE IS THE COMMANDER OF THOSE SEALS,,HE IS THEIR TOP AUTHORITY !
until few days ago obama was playing with poop on the surface,,he didnt but on the surface he seemed like he was playing with poop,,the reality is...that he was doing the most republican thing possible for his nation ...like he PROMISED...
he chased the terrorist,, he came to his house...he broke the door...he entered inside...he shot him in the head...he took the body ...he left with star spangled banner flashing the arabian sky FOR THEM TO LEARN WHAT IS THE END RESULT OF MESSING WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
now ,,they wil go on ,,the al zawaris and the rest of the lunatiks...they will go on and try to do shit,,they probbaly have something in plan right now that will be texecuted or try to ,,but! we will get them too,,each and every one of them ,,IN TIME
all marked
gh15 approved
BINGO! Great post GH
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Somewhere along the line you guys are thinking I'm not giving Obama any credit, through out this entire thread and others, I have given him credit and that was never the issue.
Good for you coach!
Let's leave it at that then.
We all agree that getting Bin Ladin was GREAT. End of story.
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I hear ya. My point is we need to simply celebrate what happened and be glad we got him.
I don't see the need to bring in extra issues or stuff at this time.
It isn't just you coach. I log on to my facebook account and see the comments from some of these people who were literally 8 at the time 9/11 happened and have no knowledge of politics pawning off any success during this administration off onto Bush and any failure on to Obama. It is sickening. If the economy started to improve then it would be because of the economic policies put into place by bush 8 years ago. If it plummeted then it would be the dirty Muslim we have in office right now Barrack HUSSEIN Obama. Then you see these same people out in the street chanting USA like we are at the fucking Olympics. This is the worst image we want to be spreading out to the world. That is no better then the images of people cheering in the streets in the Middle East as the World Trade Centers came down. Personally i find it fucking disgusting to see people behaving like this over the death of a man. I don't care how evil someone is. We don't seek to better our image broadcasting this kind of stuff. When i read these comments that are blatant lies my ears get hot and i literally start to twitch in the face. I hear people spew this same ignorance at work and i can't even look them in the eye long enough to finish. Sometimes it is hard to just bite your tongue and turn the other way. I am glad we have the internet at times so i can vent like this.
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It isn't just you coach. I log on to my facebook account and see the comments from some of these people who were literally 8 at the time 9/11 happened and have no knowledge of politics pawning off any success during this administration off onto Bush and any failure on to Obama. It is sickening. If the economy started to improve then it would be because of the economic policies put into place by bush 8 years ago. If it plummeted then it would be the dirty Muslim we have in office right now Barrack HUSSEIN Obama. Then you see these same people out in the street chanting USA like we are at the fucking Olympics. This is the worst image we want to be spreading out to the world. That is no better then the images of people cheering in the streets in the Middle East as the World Trade Centers came down. Personally i find it fucking disgusting to see people behaving like this over the death of a man. I don't care how evil someone is. We don't seek to better our image broadcasting this kind of stuff. When i read these comments that are blatant lies my ears get hot and i literally start to twitch in the face. I hear people spew this same ignorance at work and i can't even look them in the eye long enough. Sometimes it is hard to just bight your tongue and turn the other way. I am glad we have the internet at times so i can vent like this.
this sept 11 ...watch tv for few hours ,,they will rerun it for the million time,,when it gets to the people who jump from the 200th floor....think about waht you said again,,
osama bin laden deserved exactly what he got ,,infact he deserved alot worse,,but! obama delivered to him a very efficient and symnbolized execution
he came from the sky ...let him fear and know his life is about to end... he knocked the door down...he found located him...he shot him in the chest for him to know he is dieing but to still be able to see the americans who came to give him justic....and finaly a shot to the head...then picking up the body so no one can say anything about fakeness,, then leaving into the night sky with star spangled banner explosions in the arabian sky for them to know that america was there,,america came to finish a its enemy like its enemy came to his lands to try to finish america...
later on america due to policial correctness gave him decent burial at sea ,,something the people and victimes of the last 20 years never got ,,because their bodies could never be recovered! but america was still decent to give him some kind of muslim burial due to again policial correctness of american society,, they did it to show that moral compass goes behind hate,,
this is why usa is the leader of the free world for so many decades and 100s of years,,because of actions such as this
gh15 approved
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this sept 11 ...watch tv for few hours ,,they will rerun it for the million time,,when it gets to the people who jump from the 200th floor....think about waht you said again,,
osama bin laden deserved exactly what he got ,,infact he deserved alot worse,,but! obama delivered to him a very efficient and symnbolized execution
he came from the sky ...let him fear and know his life is about to end... he knocked the door down...he found located him...he shot him in the chest for him to know he is dieing but to still be able to see the americans who came to give him justic....and finaly a shot to the head...then picking up the body so no one can say anything about fakeness,, then leaving into the night sky with star spangled banner explosions in the arabian sky for them to know that america was there,,america came to finish a its enemy like its enemy came to his lands to try to finish america...
later on america due to policial correctness gave him decent burial at sea ,,something the people and victimes of the last 20 years never got ,,because their bodies could never be recovered! but america was still decent to give him some kind of muslim burial due to again policial correctness of american society,, they did it to show that moral compass goes behind hate,,
this is why usa is the leader of the free world for so many decades and 100s of years,,because of actions such as this
gh15 approved
Dude.... are you even reading my posts? Please don't comment unless you are reading my posts all the way through. I never said he didn't deserve to die. ::)
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I act like a 10 year old for providing where it started? I'm not taking credit away from Obama, I'm saying the left refuse to give credit where credit is due. Again, as I said before any article, tv or anything else. I stated this in almost my very first post.
The videos and articles I've posted DESTROY all of your mindless FOX-bot repube ramblings. Go back and re-read and re-watch them if you still don't understand.
I am done with you...engaging with sub-80 IQ individuals like yourself make my head hurt. I don't normally allow myself to stoop down to engaging with the GED earners of the world, sorry.
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Fuck yea chop off dey mu fuckin heads n shit asap
This happens hourly in Juarez Mexico keeps people straight.
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C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden
By MARK MAZZETTI
Published: July 4, 2006
WASHINGTON, July 3 — The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.
The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center, the officials said.
The decision is a milestone for the agency, which formed the unit before Osama bin Laden became a household name and bolstered its ranks after the Sept. 11 attacks, when President Bush pledged to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice "dead or alive."
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Obama did a good job taking out Osama. Now it is time to impeach Obama for fucking up the economy. Dude should be hooked up with free shit from Walmart for life,but my gut instinct says go ahead and impeach asap.
Not going to happen, sorry. You're certainly allowed to continue dreaming if you like.
Since impeachment is off the table, you will be forced to vote for a number of GOP morons vying for the republican nomination. There will be a GOP comedy show debate this Thursday for you to watch. Good luck! :D
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Benny, I asked you this before and you ignored me so I'll ask again. Obama has a failed record, what do you think he's going to win on besides idiots like you that vote for him on his color or because he can read a teleprompter well. What's he going to run on?
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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/BinLaden-daughter-captured-shot/2011/05/04/id/395088
Daughter, 12, Claims bin Laden Caught, Then Shot
Wednesday, 04 May 2011 09:44 AM
By Newsmax Wires
Osama bin Laden's 12-year-old daughter has told senior Pakistani officials that U.S. forces captured her father alive and then shot him, according to Alarabia.net. The shooting occurred within the first few minutes of the Navy SEALs' raid on bin Laden's opulent hiding place in Abbottabad.
Osama bin Laden, dead, daughter, capturedSenior Pakistani security officials said Osama bin Laden’s daughter had confirmed her father was captured alive and shot dead by the US Special Forces during the first few minutes of the operation carried out at the huge compound in Bilal Town, Abbottabad, Al Arabiya reported.
Pakistani security officials claim that they recoverd four bullet-riddled bodies from the compound and arrested two women and six children, ages 2 to 12, after the U.S. forces flew toward Afghanistan. Some reports indicate that 16 people, mostly Arab nationals and including women and children, were arrested at the compound.
A Pakistani security source told Al Arabiya that bin Laden family members were taken to Rawalpindi, near Islamabad. “They are now under treatment in the military hospital of Rawalpindi, where they have been transported in an helicopter,” he said.
Sources speculated that the U.S. forces could not arrest the family members because there weren’t enough spots for them in the single helicopter remaining after they lost another chopper in the operation.
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it was a war crime...........but they could not "capture" him alive and have a trial as it would provoke even more war...
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fu ck him
they should have burned the cu nt
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it was a war crime...........but they could not "capture" him alive and have a trial as it would provoke even more war...
War is between nations. So maybe a crime, but no war crime...
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No real shock there, you dont let him hang around for a trial and martyrdom, any other case I think people may be up in arms but for a man who caused the deaths of 3000 and led to 2 wars then I think most agree it was the right move.
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Everybody knows that due process doesn't apply to towel heads.
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Who gives a shit about how he was killed? He didn't have much regard for human life when he decided to have planes fly into the Twin Towers.
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I also don't give relevance to hear say from Al Jezeera or any other two bit "news" paper.
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fu ck him
they should have burned the cu nt
this.
i can't believe that people actually give a shit how he died, as long as he's dead.
believe this! if the muzzies could get their hands on a us president. they'd kill him slowly then drag his body through the streets
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i hope he didnt suffered
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No real shock there, you dont let him hang around for a trial and martyrdom, any other case I think people may be up in arms but for a man who caused the deaths of 3000 and led to 2 wars then I think most agree it was the right move.
Take a look at his work prior to 9/11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden
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Even Hillary Clinton didn't have a problem with it. Grow a penesis.
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i hope he didnt suffered
Sympathizer
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it was a war crime...........but they could not "capture" him alive and have a trial as it would provoke even more war...
It's not a war crime. If we would have done the same to QuiDAFFY then it would have been a war crime.
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Benny, I asked you this before and you ignored me so I'll ask again. Obama has a failed record, what do you think he's going to win on besides idiots like you that vote for him on his color or because he can read a teleprompter well. What's he going to run on?
Bump for Benny's answer.
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Who gives a shit about how he was killed? He didn't have much regard for human life when he decided to have planes fly into the Twin Towers.
So we should just shoot the people who do immoral deeds?
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He killed himself then was shot even deader to punish him.
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As news of bin Laden’s death spread relief across America and the world, revelations that the assigned code name of Enemy Number One was “Geronimo,” a legendary Apache leader, caused shock waves in Indian communities across the country. It is being interpreted as a slap in the face of Native people.
The death of bin Laden is arguably the most important news story of the year, and embedded within it is a message that an Indian warrior, a symbol of Native American survival in the face of racial annihilation, is associated with modern terrorism and the attacks on 9/11.
The “bin Laden is dead” news story will make thousands of impressions on the minds of people around the globe, and the name Geronimo will now be irrevocably linked with the world’s most reviled terrorist.
Potentially the most disturbing fact is what this says to American Indian children. It equates being Native American with being hated, an enemy to the world, and someone to be hunted down and killed, and re-casts one of their heroes into a villainous role.
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/ict_sbc/bin-laden-code-name-%E2%80%9Cgeronimo%E2%80%9D-is-a-bomb-in-indian-country/
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Why did they let the women and children live?
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Why did they let the women and children live?
To keep future soldiers busy.
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the kids and woman could have tipped washington but they didnt . good they are dead
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To keep future soldiers busy.
As in target practice?
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It's not a war crime. If we would have done the same to QuiDAFFY then it would have been a war crime.
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What about this Cuch?
NATO Air Strike Kills Gaddafi’s Youngest Son & 3 Grandchildren (all under age of 12 )http://www.dailyfreeman.com/articles/2011/04/30/news/doc4dbc968b5aaf5121026079.txt
Tripoli Orphanage and Pre-School for Kids with Down Syndrome Bombed http://ca.news.yahoo.com/libya-disabled-children-school-hit-nato-strike-201036691.html
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Fuck him,the murdering fucker deserved far worse IMO.
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"Let the record show that when we raided Bin Laden's compound, the Doobie Brothers were cranking at FULL BLAST." - Dave Hill
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*CRICKETS*
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Sensitive pussy fuck!!
People need to toughen the fuck up.
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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/BinLaden-daughter-captured-shot/2011/05/04/id/395088
Daughter, 12, Claims bin Laden Caught, Then Shot
Wednesday, 04 May 2011 09:44 AM
By Newsmax Wires
Osama bin Laden's 12-year-old daughter has told senior Pakistani officials that U.S. forces captured her father alive and then shot him, according to Alarabia.net. The shooting occurred within the first few minutes of the Navy SEALs' raid on bin Laden's opulent hiding place in Abbottabad.
Osama bin Laden, dead, daughter, capturedSenior Pakistani security officials said Osama bin Laden’s daughter had confirmed her father was captured alive and shot dead by the US Special Forces during the first few minutes of the operation carried out at the huge compound in Bilal Town, Abbottabad, Al Arabiya reported.
Pakistani security officials claim that they recoverd four bullet-riddled bodies from the compound and arrested two women and six children, ages 2 to 12, after the U.S. forces flew toward Afghanistan. Some reports indicate that 16 people, mostly Arab nationals and including women and children, were arrested at the compound.
A Pakistani security source told Al Arabiya that bin Laden family members were taken to Rawalpindi, near Islamabad. “They are now under treatment in the military hospital of Rawalpindi, where they have been transported in an helicopter,” he said.
Sources speculated that the U.S. forces could not arrest the family members because there weren’t enough spots for them in the single helicopter remaining after they lost another chopper in the operation.
Awww..Poor little girl.. Imagine that? Them shooting a man who was responsible for killing thousands!? They should have captured him,cut off his arm(at the elbow,then his leg(at the knee),and beat him with them,until he died from the beating, and while he bled out!
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We should all believe the Paki's as they have shown us how honest and trustworthy they are...
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We should all believe the Paki's as they have shown us how honest and trustworthy they are...
Exactly.
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SO, since Osama was caught in Pakistan Military housing
So when does Obama declare war on Pakistan ???
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SO, since Osama was caught in Pakistan Military housing
So when does Obama declare war on Pakistan ???
Should have been the same fucking day.
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What ever happened to that Bombing Obama did on Libya ? and Muammar Gaddafi? Oh yea ... All sweep under the carpet now
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The history I recall being taught says Geronimo in effect declared war so I really don't see their issue ???
If they want to see him as some kind of hero .. it's no different than OBL's supporters
They both made the choice to go to war .. someone was bound to lose
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complete bullshit. maybe thats what the little girl thinks happened. bin laden made it very well known that he would never ever allow himself to be captured alive.
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lucky him, he should have had a very long, slow, painful death.
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;D
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only in America.....
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The history I recall being taught says Geronimo in effect declared war so I really don't see their issue ???
If they want to see him as some kind of hero .. it's no different than OBL's supporters
They both made the choice to go to war .. someone was bound to lose
:o Brutal - How many mg's of test you take weekly :o
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Some people are never satisfied. Change the name Indiana to Native Americana?
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It's just a question.. please don't get me wrong.
As you likely know, it was announced last night that earlier in the week Osama Bin Laden was killed by a small U.S. Navy SEAL team in a luxury compound in Pakistan.
I won’t pull punches – this makes me extremely happy. I’m not overly gung-ho about war, but in this case, I’m proud his life was ended by an American bullet to the head.
As I took a break to watch some television and internet coverage last night, the issue of the “cost” of the war and effort to find Bin Laden was brought into light.
The best research I could do found these statistics:
1,000+ Coalition troops & contractors killed
1,100+ U.S. Soldiers killed in Afghanistan
2,974 American civilians killed in 9/11.
3,000+ Injured American troops
15,000+ Afghan troops & civilians killed
45,000+ Injured Afghan troops
$400,000,000,000+ spent.
These rough estimates only account for Afghanistan. By all accounts, when you add in the Iraq war, the numbers just get bonkers.
$400 billion dollars. That’s a lot of money, but doesn’t even come close to the value of the lives lost along the way.
No matter how you do the math, over the last nine and a half years we’ve paid a hefty price tag.
This begs the question… Was it worth it?
How do we define worth in a situation like this? How do you measure value? Is this a pyrrhic victory or cause for true celebration?
In my opinion, this had to happen. Bin Laden needed to be found and killed.
Because there’s only one question scarier than asking about the cost of killing Bin Laden…
What’s the cost of not killing Osama Bin Laden?
Thanks to an elite group of Navy SEALS, we no longer have to ponder that question.
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Some people are never satisfied. Change the name Indiana to Native Americana?
Keep practising, dutch, don't quit yet. Someday you might post a funny.
Stay positive. :)
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If we get the pictures it may have been worth it.
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Keep practising, dutch, don't quit yet. Someday you might post a funny.
Stay positive. :)
Well thank you. I notice Fallsview inspired you into the positive.
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Well thank you. I notice Fallsview inspired you into the positive.
Yes, fallsview is my getbig guru. :)
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Yes, fallsview is my getbig guru. :)
Yours too huh?
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Sensitive pussy fuck!!
People need to toughen the fuck up.
This
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The history I recall being taught says Geronimo in effect declared war so I really don't see their issue ???
If they want to see him as some kind of hero .. it's no different than OBL's supporters
They both made the choice to go to war .. someone was bound to lose
wow, you need to learn history
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Whining fuck.
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They cannot seriously take this as a literal offense..def. asking for exposure..the last thing I think of when thinking about osama's death are Native Americans..aren't they extinct? ::)
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Whining fuck.
Calm down, tu. :D
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Calm down, tu. :D
I didn't know that 2 words were "enragement" there freespirit. ???
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They cannot seriously take this as a literal offense..def. asking for exposure..the last thing I think of when thinking about osama's death are Native Americans..aren't they extinct? ::)
They should be.
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lots of white people in this thread
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lots of white people in this thread
You mean a lot of people who don't get butt hurt at every little thing.
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http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646
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By the way, have there ever been indian (native american) pro BBers??
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You mean a lot of people who don't get butt hurt at every little thing.
I doubt you know native american history do you?
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I doubt you know native american history do you?
I know enough... Were they done wrong, sure... but what's that got to do with this shit now?
I wouldn't be butt hurt if they had called Osama the "Tribesman from Kenya" either... So what?
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epic uncredited cut & paste.
It's just a question.. please don't get me wrong.
As you likely know, it was announced last night that earlier in the week Osama Bin Laden was killed by a small U.S. Navy SEAL team in a luxury compound in Pakistan.
I won’t pull punches – this makes me extremely happy. I’m not overly gung-ho about war, but in this case, I’m proud his life was ended by an American bullet to the head.
As I took a break to watch some television and internet coverage last night, the issue of the “cost” of the war and effort to find Bin Laden was brought into light.
The best research I could do found these statistics:
1,000+ Coalition troops & contractors killed
1,100+ U.S. Soldiers killed in Afghanistan
2,974 American civilians killed in 9/11.
3,000+ Injured American troops
15,000+ Afghan troops & civilians killed
45,000+ Injured Afghan troops
$400,000,000,000+ spent.
These rough estimates only account for Afghanistan. By all accounts, when you add in the Iraq war, the numbers just get bonkers.
$400 billion dollars. That’s a lot of money, but doesn’t even come close to the value of the lives lost along the way.
No matter how you do the math, over the last nine and a half years we’ve paid a hefty price tag.
This begs the question… Was it worth it?
How do we define worth in a situation like this? How do you measure value? Is this a pyrrhic victory or cause for true celebration?
In my opinion, this had to happen. Bin Laden needed to be found and killed.
Because there’s only one question scarier than asking about the cost of killing Bin Laden…
What’s the cost of not killing Osama Bin Laden?
Thanks to an elite group of Navy SEALS, we no longer have to ponder that question.
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The alcohol made them crazy.
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No, had we just bombed all of afghanistan, pakistan, and the rest of the arab countries it would have been cheaper and more efficient.
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I didn't know that 2 words were "enragement" there freespirit. ???
;)
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;)
Look at the funnies.... ::)
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Look at the funnies.... ::)
Meltdown so soon? :D
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I think we've spent more than a trillion.
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Until I see a dead body, I rule it out as propaganda.
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All I care about when passing an Indian road side stand is getting my Dream Catcher and seasoned corn on the cob and getting the fuck out of there.
It's like I tell them when I leave..."Look at your skin color and then look at mine, I don't like you...your different than I am".
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Until I see a dead body, I rule it out as propaganda.
lol, I'm sure BO won't sleep knowing you would like to put a finger in OBL's wounds, doubting thomas.
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Meltdown so soon?
Apparently a single sentence to fagspirit is a meltdown.
That's getbig for you.
Any more cliches you got tucked away in that apparent 170 IQ?
Try sticking to a topic.
ps. Now you could get away with "meltdown"
pps. A serious topic is allowed to be serious... oh right. It's the internet. Where googling for photos and posting them in 2 separate threads isnt a meltdown but a sentence is.
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word on the street is that they wanted to use Hieronymus, but it turned out to be the name of Hillary's lover so she vetoed it.
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Quoting error meltdown.
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not worth it. we havent seen shit. fucking lyers in the black house
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Quoting error meltdown.
HAHA!!! True! That's what I get for typing it on my phone.
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Until I see a dead body, I rule it out as propaganda.
Forget the DNA, forget Pakistan's confirmation, forget eye witness accounts, screw the pictures that will not be realeased immediately because of the violence that they will cause (several dead after that yahoo burned a Quaran down in Florida), forget OBL wife's confirmation of of her husbands death.
Yes, Obama got up in front of the world and lied, because that could never blow up in his face, lol.
Lmao, the conspiracy theorists are always good for a chuckle.
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epic uncredited cut & paste.
Wow!! thanks for open our eyes. ::)
(https://chzdailywhat.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/328a464e-02dd-429d-ad13-8306596554a6.gif)
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Until I see a dead body, I rule it out as propaganda.
I'd be happy if any independent 3rd party had seen the body, but it had to be thrown off the ship, or else we'd insult the terrorists.......
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It's just a question.. please don't get me wrong.
As you likely know, it was announced last night that earlier in the week Osama Bin Laden was killed by a small U.S. Navy SEAL team in a luxury compound in Pakistan.
I won’t pull punches – this makes me extremely happy. I’m not overly gung-ho about war, but in this case, I’m proud his life was ended by an American bullet to the head.
As I took a break to watch some television and internet coverage last night, the issue of the “cost” of the war and effort to find Bin Laden was brought into light.
The best research I could do found these statistics:
1,000+ Coalition troops & contractors killed
1,100+ U.S. Soldiers killed in Afghanistan
2,974 American civilians killed in 9/11.
3,000+ Injured American troops
15,000+ Afghan troops & civilians killed
45,000+ Injured Afghan troops
$400,000,000,000+ spent.
These rough estimates only account for Afghanistan. By all accounts, when you add in the Iraq war, the numbers just get bonkers.
$400 billion dollars. That’s a lot of money, but doesn’t even come close to the value of the lives lost along the way.
No matter how you do the math, over the last nine and a half years we’ve paid a hefty price tag.
This begs the question… Was it worth it?
How do we define worth in a situation like this? How do you measure value? Is this a pyrrhic victory or cause for true celebration?
In my opinion, this had to happen. Bin Laden needed to be found and killed.
Because there’s only one question scarier than asking about the cost of killing Bin Laden…
What’s the cost of not killing Osama Bin Laden?
Thanks to an elite group of Navy SEALS, we no longer have to ponder that question.
For this POS murdering son of a bitches's face being blown off and being dumped into the ocean, that's priceless. You can even keep the change.
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Yes - we got that scum bag!
i live in NYC and finally we took that animal out.
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LOL at all the white people being mind slaves of this black prez
Circle of life - karma's a bitch
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Benny, I asked you this before and you ignored me so I'll ask again. Obama has a failed record, what do you think he's going to win on besides idiots like you that vote for him on his color or because he can read a teleprompter well. What's he going to run on?
I'll be happy to chime in here on this one coach.
For whatever reason(s), you won't sit back and make an objective evaluation of Pres Obama.
No matter what he does , you are going to find somehing to put a negative spin on it.
Now for the Obama record and his possible re-election:
He just proved he is a competent commnader -in -chief and can make good judgements when it comes to national security.
It would tough for the right wing to now say Obama is weak of national security now.
The numbers in the market ( DOW, S & P, etc) keep inching up since the fall of 2007-8.
This seems to be leading to job growth and may keep interest rates low.
If the republicans run away from the Ryan $$ plan, and get on board with job growth, that will help their cause. If, they keep talking about medicare vouchers for everyone under 55, they are screwed .
If the economy keeps showing some real improvement that the avg person sees in their own life, he wins in 2012 by a landslide.
However, if gas prices keep creeping up and unemployment rates don't get under 8% , he is at risk in 2012 depending on who the GOP nominates.
I would say my assessment on 2012 is pretty fair and objective.
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FIAR ASSEMESENT,,BUT COACH WONT SEE IT THAT WAY,,,JUST LIKE 333383 DOES NOT SEE IT,,,THE ECONOMGY CAN RECOVER AND MAKE TRILLIONS IN DOLARS AND NOT BE IN DEBT,,,BUT COACH WILL SEE IT OTHERWISE,,,,
I'll be happy to chime in here on this one coach.
For whatever reason(s), you won't sit back and make an objective evaluation of Pres Obama.
No matter what he does , you are going to find somehing to put a negative spin on it.
Now for the Obama record and his possible re-election:
He just proved he is a competent commnader -in -chief and can make good judgements when it comes to national security.
It would tough for the right wing to now say Obama is weak of national security now.
The numbers in the market ( DOW, S & P, etc) keep inching up since the fall of 2007-8.
This seems to be leading to job growth and may keep interest rates low.
If the republicans run away from the Ryan $$ plan, and get on board with job growth, that will help their cause. If, they keep talking about medicare vouchers for everyone under 55, they are screwed .
If the economy keeps showing some real improvement that the avg person sees in their own life, he wins in 2012 by a landslide.
However, if gas prices keep creeping up and unemployment rates don't get under 8% , he is at risk in 2012 depending on who the GOP nominates.
I would say my assessment on 2012 is pretty fair and objective.
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LOL at all the white people being mind slaves of this black prez
Circle of life - karma's a bitch
Your envy of AMericans is unhealthy.
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Worth every fucking cent !!
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Worth every fucking cent !!
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Your envy of AMericans is unhealthy.
i'm scratching my balls sack on venice beach california right now watching the blond bitches in bikines right now, as i throw done a couple sam adam beer
Yea i have such an unhealthy life
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For this POS murdering son of a bitches's face being blown off and being dumped into the ocean, that's priceless. You can even keep the change.
Worth every fucking cent !!
Even knowing that most of that money went straight to the 1% that rules the country?
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Way lower damage than in wars of the past.
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It's just a question.. please don't get me wrong.
As you likely know, it was announced last night that earlier in the week Osama Bin Laden was killed by a small U.S. Navy SEAL team in a luxury compound in Pakistan.
I won’t pull punches – this makes me extremely happy. I’m not overly gung-ho about war, but in this case, I’m proud his life was ended by an American bullet to the head.
As I took a break to watch some television and internet coverage last night, the issue of the “cost” of the war and effort to find Bin Laden was brought into light.
The best research I could do found these statistics:
1,000+ Coalition troops & contractors killed
1,100+ U.S. Soldiers killed in Afghanistan
2,974 American civilians killed in 9/11.
3,000+ Injured American troops
15,000+ Afghan troops & civilians killed
45,000+ Injured Afghan troops
$400,000,000,000+ spent.
These rough estimates only account for Afghanistan. By all accounts, when you add in the Iraq war, the numbers just get bonkers.
$400 billion dollars. That’s a lot of money, but doesn’t even come close to the value of the lives lost along the way.
No matter how you do the math, over the last nine and a half years we’ve paid a hefty price tag.
This begs the question… Was it worth it?
How do we define worth in a situation like this? How do you measure value? Is this a pyrrhic victory or cause for true celebration?
In my opinion, this had to happen. Bin Laden needed to be found and killed.
Because there’s only one question scarier than asking about the cost of killing Bin Laden…
What’s the cost of not killing Osama Bin Laden?
Thanks to an elite group of Navy SEALS, we no longer have to ponder that question.
excuse my man, gracie, but he'd have a very objective look at this, given his homeland is overrun with german war criminals. that being said, would it have been easier, just to put a $1B fisher price tag on him and let some douchebag in the mid-east drop his body off for the check vs all the carnage and dead sons and daughters over this one guy. we're not talking another World War here, so loosing all those kids in the middle-east may not have been a necessary. then again, presidents and leaders don't put their kids in the line of fire.
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Well said
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excuse my man, gracie, but he'd have a very objective look at this, given his homeland is overrun with german war criminals. that being said, would it have been easier, just to put a $1B fisher price tag on him and let some douchebag in the mid-east drop his body off for the check vs all the carnage and dead sons and daughters over this one guy. we're not talking another World War here, so loosing all those kids in the middle-east may not have been a necessary. then again, presidents and leaders don't put their kids in the line of fire.
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After all that money plus all the dead and injured people ... did Bin Laden death put an end to the problem?
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The photos are now widespread online and in newspapers, images of a confident President Obama striding toward the camera to announce the killing of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.
Not so widespread, however, is the news that the photos weren’t from Obama’s actual history-making speech. According to a Reuters blog post, the photos were taken after Obama’s actual announcement, during a brief reenactment minutes later.
Jason Reed, a photographer, wrote: “As President Obama continued his nine-minute address in front of just one main network camera, the photographers were held outside the room by staff and asked to remain completely silent. Once Obama was off the air, we were escorted in front of that teleprompter and the President then re-enacted the walk-out and first 30 seconds of the statement for us.”
The reenactment isn’t the only way the administration has edited its media rollout of bin Laden’s death. In a widely used photo of Obama and his national security team in the Situation Room, what appears to be a picture near Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is blurred. The text below photo says the document is classified.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/photo_finish_153bf51d-b6b9-46f1-839d-982655b12f25.html
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one one hand i understand their sensitivity, but for the most part i would think they should be proud for the name of geronimo to be used in such a mighty and patriotic (not patriotic to their native land though?) way.
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okay, now i get it they are mad that obl was called geronimo, yeah, i guess that would kind of pissed me off too, i thought the operatoin was called geronimo, and if that was the case i would be proud, and yes, i have native american in me.
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okay, now i get it they are mad that obl was called geronimo, yeah, i guess that would kind of pissed me off too, i thought the operatoin was called geronimo, and if that was the case i would be proud, and yes, i have native american in me.
The name Geronimo is of Italian and Greek origin , the Indians should STFU .
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oh, i didn't know that, i thought geronimo was a native american indian name, during his lifetime and his fame, was geronimo i wonder a common name for boys in native american families?
i guess because he's one of their own, the name is synomous with their culture and what not, regardless of it's origins.
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I'd be angry too if I had such a huge nose
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Awww..Poor little girl.. Imagine that? Them shooting a man who was responsible for killing thousands!? They should have captured him,cut off his arm(at the elbow,then his leg(at the knee),and beat him with them,until he died from the beating, and while he bled out!
This.
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Interesting read brother. I guess the President really wanted to improve the presentation, I mean this is the land of Hollywood and we do have standards. I'm sure things like this have been done in the past when other leaders have accomplished important missions.
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oh no, so he must be muslim then? ::)
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do you think Obama would have sat in a classroom listening to school kids after learning the US was under the worst terrorist attack in its history??
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This sort of thing is pretty common. Basically every pic of a president sitting solemnly at their desk reading a famous speech was staged and taken after the actual speech (nor was the speech read from their desk). This was prior to TV of course.
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What if Obama is only a figment of one's imagination?
It is possible that the entity known solely as Barack Hussein Obama is but a cybernetic organism composed of a mimetic polyalloy that presents as liquid metal capable of rapid shapeshifting, near-perfect mimicry and rapid recovery from damage.
For all we know, Barack Obama could very well be the Antichrist. I don't know Coach, but when a country can produce a well-mannered, highly eloquent and extremely smart negro capable of landing the most powerful job in the world, I fear that the end of times might be near.
What say you Coach?
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The photos are now widespread online and in newspapers, images of a confident President Obama striding toward the camera to announce the killing of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.
Not so widespread, however, is the news that the photos weren’t from Obama’s actual history-making speech. According to a Reuters blog post, the photos were taken after Obama’s actual announcement, during a brief reenactment minutes later.
Jason Reed, a photographer, wrote: “As President Obama continued his nine-minute address in front of just one main network camera, the photographers were held outside the room by staff and asked to remain completely silent. Once Obama was off the air, we were escorted in front of that teleprompter and the President then re-enacted the walk-out and first 30 seconds of the statement for us.”
The reenactment isn’t the only way the administration has edited its media rollout of bin Laden’s death. In a widely used photo of Obama and his national security team in the Situation Room, what appears to be a picture near Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is blurred. The text below photo says the document is classified.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/photo_finish_153bf51d-b6b9-46f1-839d-982655b12f25.html
OMG ,NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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How is this news?
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What if Obama is only a figment of one's imagination?
It is possible that the entity known solely as Barack Hussein Obama is but a cybernetic organism composed of a mimetic polyalloy that presents as liquid metal capable of rapid shapeshifting, near-perfect mimicry and rapid recovery from damage.
For all we know, Barack Obama could very well be the Antichrist. I don't know Coach, but when a country can produce a well-mannered, highly eloquent and extremely smart negro capable of landing the most powerful job in the world, I fear that the end of times might be near.
What say you Coach?
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Far out, thats a lot to think about.
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After all that money plus all the dead and injured people ... did Bin Laden death put an end to the problem?
you know that answer. does exporting all the germans, make the ugly german ##### better looking? ;D
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castro :-*
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The photos are now widespread online and in newspapers, images of a confident President Obama striding toward the camera to announce the killing of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.
Not so widespread, however, is the news that the photos weren’t from Obama’s actual history-making speech. According to a Reuters blog post, the photos were taken after Obama’s actual announcement, during a brief reenactment minutes later.
Jason Reed, a photographer, wrote: “As President Obama continued his nine-minute address in front of just one main network camera, the photographers were held outside the room by staff and asked to remain completely silent. Once Obama was off the air, we were escorted in front of that teleprompter and the President then re-enacted the walk-out and first 30 seconds of the statement for us.”
The reenactment isn’t the only way the administration has edited its media rollout of bin Laden’s death. In a widely used photo of Obama and his national security team in the Situation Room, what appears to be a picture near Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is blurred. The text below photo says the document is classified.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/photo_finish_153bf51d-b6b9-46f1-839d-982655b12f25.html
Joey Mexicano... u should focus more on training your quadrigeminal ass so that you don't look too much of a hair dying fraud as you are comes time to step onstage time in a couple of months and less time trying to "nail" the man running the free world..
every minute I used to spend on here posting idiocies and arguing with douches, 46 yo creepy women who based on Lorie are just fukken weird is spent building one of the greatest Harean physique ideal to ever step on stage...
so there you have it, put it in pipe and smoke it; in the meantime, our 18oz filet mignon are ready so WOT and I are enjoying a strategy dinner talking finances, renaissanceness, Osama and bodybuilding.
godSpeed.
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Coach is a couple of Glen Beck shows away from hurting someone. His obsession is frightening. Go back to what you know, sticking needles in the asses of scantily clad men.
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So lame. Like if they called OBL "Tommy" I'd drink a bunch of firewater and go on the warpath.
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Coach. . . take a handful of Vicodin and slow down. Thank you.
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Yes nordic beast, he should have just jumped up and scared the shit out everyone in the school. (What a stupid thing to say!)
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LOL @ TW
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LOL @ TW
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Epic double post Croatch... see post above chief of delusion; do you have a college education/
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Yes nordic beast, he should have just jumped up and scared the shit out everyone in the school. (What a stupid thing to say!)
haha ,you are delusional
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Stupidest thing I've seen in a while.
Im sure when we first went after Bin Ladin they knew how long it would take, how much money would be spent, and how many people would die ::)
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The photos are now widespread online and in newspapers, images of a confident President Obama striding toward the camera to announce the killing of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.
Not so widespread, however, is the news that the photos weren’t from Obama’s actual history-making speech. According to a Reuters blog post, the photos were taken after Obama’s actual announcement, during a brief reenactment minutes later.
Jason Reed, a photographer, wrote: “As President Obama continued his nine-minute address in front of just one main network camera, the photographers were held outside the room by staff and asked to remain completely silent. Once Obama was off the air, we were escorted in front of that teleprompter and the President then re-enacted the walk-out and first 30 seconds of the statement for us.”
The reenactment isn’t the only way the administration has edited its media rollout of bin Laden’s death. In a widely used photo of Obama and his national security team in the Situation Room, what appears to be a picture near Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is blurred. The text below photo says the document is classified.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/photo_finish_153bf51d-b6b9-46f1-839d-982655b12f25.html
whats wrong with that,,fella got osama ,,he couldl do whatever he wants,, he can go into lincoln room and play nintendo for a week ,,i could care less as long as he deliver his promises every year
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Apparently a single sentence to fagspirit is a meltdown.
That's getbig for you.
Any more cliches you got tucked away in that apparent 170 IQ?
Try sticking to a topic.
ps. Now you could get away with "meltdown"
pps. A serious topic is allowed to be serious... oh right. It's the internet. Where googling for photos and posting them in 2 separate threads isnt a meltdown but a sentence is.
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Just keep making "serious" posts all you want, "tu_holmes", but you are exactly the type of "man" who
can't handle the truth. ;)
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well have to disagree with policies overseas.. his failings in egypt, libya ect are not washed clean because he was commander when bin laden was killed.. remember obama has no military experience at all.. do you realy think that he made this decision.. it was more like "what do ya think?" and the military told him the best options.. thats a fact..
his health care bill has been nailed by most judges.. and i will bet my bottom dollar it gets repealed (as do many of his party).. and yes he looks good for national security but.. but.. that is because he kept the bush plans in place.. he told us all that he would do things different but still keeps the bush plans in place.. why? because they have worked in regards to national security..
as for job growth.. wait til next week.. supposed to be a dismal report.. i work in the retail end of things and the spike you are seeing is from seasonal hiring.. it is temporary.. nothing more.. it falls offf dramtically in a few months...
now i am not trying to non objective.. it is what it is.. if he wins re election it will be because the other team did not show up.. no one will vote him in because of bin laden.. they vote with their pocket books.. he was at 44% approval before the killing and will be back there in a month or so.. and heaven for bid we get hit by a attack.. this will wipe out any thoughts of great national security.. and trust me they will ramp up efforts now..
basically what you have is a guy who came in with absolutely no experience and was a idealogue in regards to his left leaning principals.. thats fine.. he got in and found out that america is not going to work that way.. november woke people up to that.. the largest upset in 40-50 years.. if that is not sending him a message then nothing is..
again, if he wins, and he could, it will be because of a "forfeit" by the other team.. not because of his great leadership..
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After all that money plus all the dead and injured people ... did Bin Laden death put an end to the problem?
What is with these ridiculous questions? No, it didn't put an end to the problem (obviously). There is no way to eradicate extremism totally.
Osama's death will cripple his terrorist networks. Osama was a living legend with jihadists. He was seen by extremists as a freedom fighter and was worshiped as such. It's been said that his charisma and unique ability to twist ideas and events into motivational fodder, which inspired terrorists to take the next step, will not be easily duplicated - at least by anyone within the upper echelon of AQ. Simply put, the symbol that so many young jihadists based their life's work on is dead and gone. His ability to inspire and evoke extremism is silenced forever.
Recent uprising across the middle east prove young Muslims want freedom and democracy. Osama and his views are old hat man. Sure, you'll see acts of terror, but it's not the future for the middle east and the majority of its progressive youth. The bulk of middle easterners see the freedom and success westerners enjoy. Meanwhile, in their world, under oppressive governments that think it's still the 1600's, they struggle to feed their family's and find work, while their leaders live lavish lifestyles.
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just give them some more small pox infested wool blankets. theyll settle down in 60 days or less....
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Best post I've read yet, great assessment LATS!!
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$400 billion dollars. That’s a lot of money, but doesn’t even come close to the value of the lives lost along the way.
No matter how you do the math, over the last nine and a half years we’ve paid a hefty price tag.
This begs the question… Was it worth it?
How do we define worth in a situation like this? How do you measure value? Is this a pyrrhic victory or cause for true celebration?
why not do a simple cost benefit analysis.
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now ,,they wil go on ,,the al zawaris and the rest of the lunatiks...they will go on and try to do shit,,they probbaly have something in plan right now that will be texecuted or try to ,,but! we will get them too,,each and every one of them ,,IN TIME
all marked
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i have a friend who's an al-zawara
lol!
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well have to disagree with policies overseas.. his failings in egypt, libya ect are not washed clean because he was commander when bin laden was killed.. remember obama has no military experience at all.. do you realy think that he made this decision.. it was more like "what do ya think?" and the military told him the best options.. thats a fact..
his health care bill has been nailed by most judges.. and i will bet my bottom dollar it gets repealed (as do many of his party).. and yes he looks good for national security but.. but.. that is because he kept the bush plans in place.. he told us all that he would do things different but still keeps the bush plans in place.. why? because they have worked in regards to national security..
as for job growth.. wait til next week.. supposed to be a dismal report.. i work in the retail end of things and the spike you are seeing is from seasonal hiring.. it is temporary.. nothing more.. it falls offf dramtically in a few months...
now i am not trying to non objective.. it is what it is.. if he wins re election it will be because the other team did not show up.. no one will vote him in because of bin laden.. they vote with their pocket books.. he was at 44% approval before the killing and will be back there in a month or so.. and heaven for bid we get hit by a attack.. this will wipe out any thoughts of great national security.. and trust me they will ramp up efforts now..
basically what you have is a guy who came in with absolutely no experience and was a idealogue in regards to his left leaning principals.. thats fine.. he got in and found out that america is not going to work that way.. november woke people up to that.. the largest upset in 40-50 years.. if that is not sending him a message then nothing is..
again, if he wins, and he could, it will be because of a "forfeit" by the other team.. not because of his great leadership..
good posting!
with today generation you never know ,,eventhough the binladen thing is HUGE,,,just look at the music and movies...they play for a week and then no one even remember what it is ... nothing is memorable eventhouhg this thing should be MAJOR elective points ,,with today generation ...nothing hold for more than 3 days,, make it 3 hours..
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1-What is with these ridiculous questions? No, it didn't put an end to the problem (obviously). There is no way to eradicate extremism totally.
Osama's death will cripple his terrorist networks. Osama was a living legend with jihadists. He was seen by extremists as a freedom fighter and was worshiped as such. It's been said that his charisma and unique ability to twist ideas and events into motivational fodder, which inspired terrorists to take the next step, will not be easily duplicated - at least by anyone within the upper echelon of AQ. Simply put, the symbol that so many young jihadists based their life's work on is dead and gone. His ability to inspire and evoke extremism is silenced forever.
2-Recent uprising across the middle east prove young Muslims want freedom and democracy. Osama and his views are old hat man. Sure, you'll see acts of terror, but it's not the future for the middle east and the majority of its progressive youth. The bulk of middle easterners see the freedom and success westerners enjoy. Meanwhile, in their world, under oppressive governments that think it's still the 1600's, they struggle to feed their family's and find work, while their leaders live lavish lifestyles.
1- So the Jesus freaks don't do anything bad right? well they don't blow up themselves...yet.
But not everybody uses drones to fight.
2- Old hat man=republicans ... well!! almost.
Same thing happens in America... people struggling to feed their family's and find work, while their leaders live lavish lifestyle.
By the way do you really have freedom and democracy?
I'm not taking sides and I'm not trying to argue with you... have a good one.
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If the story is true "IF" imagine what this former CIA agent would reveal in court... No way they would take OBL alive... As we all know CIA agents always fake their deaths and get new identities
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Negotiator's from the U.S., Israel, The Rothschilds, and China sat down with Bin Laden and hammered out a deal with a significant amount of cash and bonds being transferred into Bin Laden's offshore accounts. The assassination/burial at sea front story was lifted from a Hollywood screenplay written by a Don Leonard. Bin Laden will wind up in either the Swiss Alps or Brazil.
How big of a payout did the deal fetch?
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Something in this whole mess is not sitting well with me.
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.. remember obama has no military experience at all.. do you realy think that he made this decision.. it was more like "what do ya think?" and the military told him the best options.. thats a fact..
Oh brother ::)
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Oh brother ::)
Bama was on the links saturday! He is not running or doing shit.
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Obama calling the shots ::) ::)
“We don't trot this stuff out as trophies,” Obama said. “We don't need to spike the football.”
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA H calling OBL a PIG SKIN FOOTBALL .... LOL yea Obama gives this guy the 24 hour burial and now compared him to the Pig skin .. EPIC FAIL AGAIN
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"Coach", you and the fat bastard you worship are the two sorest losers ever. The bottom line is that Bush failed to get Bin Laden in 8 years whilst Obama got him in less than two. Deal with it.
You conservatives are the stupidest people on Earth. You worship the Christian God and capitalism at the same time, even though the founder of your religion commanded his followers to give away all their wealth to the poor, expelled the traders from the temple and said that the meek shall inherit the Earth. Riddle me that, dumbass?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I just now realized you are a ponce.
I can hardly take you serious enough to address the rest of your post...For example, you are bashing religion yet at the same time you go out of your way to capitalize Christian God (a sign of respect). Make up your fucking mind.
No, wait, you fail to grasp even the simplest of concepts- that it simply took TIME to track down Bin Laden.
Because, you know, Bush was lazy and all. Oh, wait, his only job was to direct the military to track the guy down, and sit back downing mojito's poolside. You think Obama is any different? Like he was what, phoning black ops types night and day trying to figure out where Bin Laden was?
Sad sad little man...
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What is with these ridiculous questions? No, it didn't put an end to the problem (obviously). There is no way to eradicate extremism totally.
Osama's death will cripple his terrorist networks. Osama was a living legend with jihadists. He was seen by extremists as a freedom fighter and was worshiped as such. It's been said that his charisma and unique ability to twist ideas and events into motivational fodder, which inspired terrorists to take the next step, will not be easily duplicated - at least by anyone within the upper echelon of AQ. Simply put, the symbol that so many young jihadists based their life's work on is dead and gone. His ability to inspire and evoke extremism is silenced forever.
Recent uprising across the middle east prove young Muslims want freedom and democracy. Osama and his views are old hat man. Sure, you'll see acts of terror, but it's not the future for the middle east and the majority of its progressive youth. The bulk of middle easterners see the freedom and success westerners enjoy. Meanwhile, in their world, under oppressive governments that think it's still the 1600's, they struggle to feed their family's and find work, while their leaders live lavish lifestyles.
I have to admit, I agree with this guy. Osama was a very influential person to middle easterners, especially those who embrace(d) radical Islam.
It is tough to imagine any kind of large scale attack happening in the future without his genius and passion (and money) driving radical islamists to their death.
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wow coach you are really crazy if you believe any of these conspiracy stories.
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wow coach you are really crazy if you believe any of these conspiracy stories.
Wow Largerthenlife you must be really crazy to believe what you don't see or hear and excepting the word of people you don't know or ever meet ... oh and by the way keep paying your taxes or else they will remove a taliban member to jail you for not paying your taxes
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Wow Largerthenlife you must be really crazy to believe what you don't see or hear and excepting the word of people you don't know or ever meet ... oh and by the way keep paying your taxes or else they will remove a taliban member to jail you for not paying your taxes
wow your a nut!
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/05/information-bin-laden-compound-raid-suggests-al-qaeda-trains/
WASHINGTON -- Al Qaeda was plotting an attack on U.S. trains on the upcoming anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, according to some of the first information gleaned from Usama bin Laden's compound, a U.S. official confirmed to Fox News.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/al-qaeda-data-yields-details-of-planned-plots/2011/05/05/AFFQ3L2F_story.html
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haha FOX news, I ain't reading that shit
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646
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Dumbass got himself fired by Champion for 'publicly' defending Bin Laden and questioning the official reports of 9/11.
This still doesn't make Twitter actually matter, though, no matter how hard certain media (ESPN/Disney) are trying.
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What is with these ridiculous questions? No, it didn't put an end to the problem (obviously). There is no way to eradicate extremism totally.
Osama's death will cripple his terrorist networks. Osama was a living legend with jihadists. He was seen by extremists as a freedom fighter and was worshiped as such. It's been said that his charisma and unique ability to twist ideas and events into motivational fodder, which inspired terrorists to take the next step, will not be easily duplicated - at least by anyone within the upper echelon of AQ. Simply put, the symbol that so many young jihadists based their life's work on is dead and gone. His ability to inspire and evoke extremism is silenced forever.
Recent uprising across the middle east prove young Muslims want freedom and democracy. Osama and his views are old hat man. Sure, you'll see acts of terror, but it's not the future for the middle east and the majority of its progressive youth. The bulk of middle easterners see the freedom and success westerners enjoy. Meanwhile, in their world, under oppressive governments that think it's still the 1600's, they struggle to feed their family's and find work, while their leaders live lavish lifestyles.
Yep, also don't forget all the information contained on the hard drives and USB stick found in his home, this will deliever a fatal blow to the Al Quaida.
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Yet Michael Jordan supposedly once said that the Holocaust was an elaborate hoax put on by the Hollywood Jews. I wonder how many sponsors "dropped him"?
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Yet Michael Jordan supposedly once said that the Holocaust was an elaborate hoax put on by the Hollywood Jews. I wonder how many sponsors "dropped him"?
Its also why MJ wears to this day the Hitler mustache in his underwear commercials
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So the Economy is Obama's doing, but the killing of Bin Laden is Bush doing? Holy fuck do a lot of uneducated American's need to be shot in the face with a Jesus cross shaped gun!!!
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So the Economy is Obama's doing, but the killing of Bin Laden is Bush doing? Holy fuck do a lot of uneducated American's need to be shot in the face with a Jesus cross shaped gun!!!
Is that "Coach's" 6th wife laughing in this movie? That damn there weed must have made her so hysterical.
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this is not right or left issue ,,this is world issue,,the credit go to the president who was in office at the time but it goes to usa as a nation,,you acting like everyone praise obama which is not true,,he has many people who bucher him day in day out including me,,this is not a president thign its a nation thing,, he can and should use it in his reelction because he fuckin planned the damn thing and took sole responsibilty over the outcome,,if he failed he would have been buchered out of office ,,but it didnt fail it was sucess and thus deservly the comander in chief get credit among since he is the FIRST IN COMMAND OF THE MILITARY MEANING HE IS THE COMMANDER OF THOSE SEALS,,HE IS THEIR TOP AUTHORITY !
until few days ago obama was playing with poop on the surface,,he didnt but on the surface he seemed like he was playing with poop,,the reality is...that he was doing the most republican thing possible for his nation ...like he PROMISED...
he chased the terrorist,, he came to his house...he broke the door...he entered inside...he shot him in the head...he took the body ...he left with star spangled banner flashing the arabian sky FOR THEM TO LEARN WHAT IS THE END RESULT OF MESSING WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
now ,,they wil go on ,,the al zawaris and the rest of the lunatiks...they will go on and try to do shit,,they probbaly have something in plan right now that will be texecuted or try to ,,but! we will get them too,,each and every one of them ,,IN TIME
all marked
gh15 approved
good post. If Obama killed Bin Laden during Obama's 7 3/4 year as President, guys like Coach would still be saying its because of Bush. Bush's family was buddies with the Bin Laden family. You won't find any pictures of the Obama family with the Bin Laden family.Hmmm. Bush let the bastard live. And Obama said "fuck that" and had him killed. It really may be as simple as that. Are you guys telling me that Chaney's "boys" didn't know that Bin Laden was living a mile away from Paki's military? Thats silly. Obama knew since his first day in office and waited until May 1(Hitlers exact day of death) to take him out. There is a divide in American government. And Obama's people took out Bush's and Cheney's dooms day boogie man.
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good post. If Obama killed Bin Laden during Obama's 7 3/4 year as President, guys like Coach would still be saying its because of Bush. Bush's family was buddies with the Bin Laden family. You won't find any pictures of the Obama family with the Bin Laden family.Hmmm. Bush let the bastard live. And Obama said "fuck that" and had him killed. It really may be as simple as that. Are you guys telling me that Chaney's "boys" didn't know that Bin Laden was living a mile away from Paki's military? Thats silly. Obama knew since his first day in office and waited until May 1(Hitlers exact day of death) to take him out. There is a divide in American government. And Obama's people took out Bush's and Cheney's dooms day boogie man.
Time to find another Boogie man Coach
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the green water pistol must have misfired
(http://mediacdn.reuters.com/media/global/specials/bin-laden/bin-laden-compound2.jpg)
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you wonder what his parents would have said about their sons actions
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He was captured and given the chance to convert. He did not, rumor is Barrack Obama pulled the trigger, lit up a cigarette then proceeded to the White House basketball court to play a game of HORSE. Ruthless!!!!
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yet Michael Jordan supposedly once said that the Holocaust was an elaborate hoax put on by the Hollywood Jews. I wonder how many sponsors "dropped him"?
MJ sold the hell outta some Gatorade.
I think the only real problem with accounts of the genocide in Nazi-controlled is that there was no way to fully track the hundreds of thousands (millions, perhaps?) who escaped and assumed new identities. While portions of a lifestyle and parts of one's history were stripped away for the sake of survival, at least those lives were spared.
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supposedly, yeah right
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;D
http://video.aol.com/video/obama-osama-compilation/800340036
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I was driving from Massachusetts to Ontario on the day after and on the radio all day long they mixed this up probably 50% of the time.
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LOL at people confusing the US Prez with the worlds most famous killer
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LOL at people confusing the US Prez with the worlds most famous killer
People confuse Obama with Craig Titus?
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My disclaimer: I don't wish the president dead, someone posted this on my FB and I thought it was funny.
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What sort of name for a US president is "Obama" anyway?
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;D
http://video.aol.com/video/obama-osama-compilation/800340036
haha,that's funny
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What sort of name for a US president is "Obama" anyway?
the Muslim kinda name
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the green water pistol must have misfired
(http://mediacdn.reuters.com/media/global/specials/bin-laden/bin-laden-compound2.jpg)
it could have had that acid in too, that is lethal with a shot to the face, take out a team member.
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LOL
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Osama dangled on rope, tickled between the toes, then shot in the knuckles! :o
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You shouldn't spread that kind of rumors. It gives impression navy whales are not professionals >:(
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Osama Bin Laden - Amatur Bodybuilder
Guy had nothing better to do for years..
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So that's why he had kidney problems...
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So that's why he had kidney problems...
And why he used his wife (one of them) as a human shield. He was scared shitless his Pro Tan got ruined.
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the Muslim kinda name
if ya can't beat um join um.
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OBAMA BIN LADEN. If bin derka is TRULY DEAD then sorry to say OBAMA, this was NOT a personal victory for YOU. You yourself did not kill him. US SOLDIERS DID. From what i hear, not sure i believe it though, CIA were watching him/knew his location for a loooong time. Im not trying too sound cool or brag whtsoever but one of my good friends, Uncles has been in the CIA for about 30 yrs, from what my buddy told me, hes been living in AFGHANISTAN for years, but again, this is the internet, everybody has an uncle who works in the CIA or everybodys uncle/greatgrandfather was AL CAPONE or something like that.
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What sort of name for a US president is "Obama" anyway?
Shut up you fu cking c unt.
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The guys that stormed the compound had helmet cams. Obama and his cronies got to watch Osama get whacked in real time. Hell, Obama prolly had time to click "finish him". However, we cannot see that shit as we are not old enough and mommy and daddy say no.
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Rush Limbaugh mixes it up on purpose.
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My disclaimer: I don't wish the president dead, someone posted this on my FB and I thought it was funny.
to late. i've just reported you to the fbi
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It's even funnier how Obama's middle name is HUSSEIN, aka Saddam Hussein, LOLOL
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It's even funnier how Obama's middle name is HUSSEIN, aka Saddam Hussein, LOLOL
he was just trying to cover all his bases.
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Can't wait until benchmstr comes back and gives us the big scoop.
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Can't wait until benchmstr comes back and gives us the big scoop.
X2
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Tell your mom I wish her a very happy day
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where's his other hand? :-\
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We really are all the same down deep...
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Hahahah I wonder which tiny tit he posted as ? Toxic Avenger's cousin is in time out hahaha
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Osama was livin' large in his million dollar paki mansion...
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Why does Osama have the same Avatar pic as you?...I smell a conspiracy....
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I KNEW IT !!
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no he was not gh
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;D ;D ;D
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ahahaahahahahaa