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Recent college grads sour on Obama, surveys say
http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110520/pl_dailycaller/recentcollegegradssouronobamasurveyssay;_ylt=AgVX3MutmAdR.LJQqWd1pm51EcF_;_ylu=X3oDMTQyZmRncWo0BGFzc2V0A2RhaWx5Y2FsbGVyLzIwMTEwNTIwL3JlY2VudGNvbGxlZ2VncmFkc3NvdXJvbm9iYW1hc3VydmV5c3NheQRjY29kZQNwemFndjgEY3BvcwMxMARwb3MDMTAEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNyZWNlbnRjb2xsZWc-
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A very large proportion of recent university graduates have soured on President Barack Obama, and many will vote GOP or stay at home in the 2012 election, according to two new surveys of younger voters.
“These rock-solid Obama constituents are free-agents,” said Kellyanne Conway, president of The Polling Company, based in Washington, D.C. She recently completed a large survey of college grads, and “they’re shopping around, considering their options, [and] a fair number will say at home and sit it out,” she said.
The scope of this disengagement from Obama is suggested by an informal survey of 500 post-grads by Joe Maddalone, founder of Maddalone Global Strategies. Of his sample, 93 percent are aged between 22 and 28, 67 percent are male and 83 percent voted for Obama in 2008. But only 27 percent are committed to voting for Obama again, and 80 percent said they would consider voting for a Republican, said New York-based Maddalone.
That’s a drop of almost 60 points in support for Obama among this influential class of younger post-grad voters, who Maddalone recruited at conferences held at New York University and Thomson-Reuters’ New York headquarters.
The bad news for Obama was underlined May 19 with a report by a job-firm Adecco that roughly 60 percent of recent college-grads have not been able to find a full-time job in their preferred area. One-in-five graduates have taken jobs far from their training, one-in-six are dependent on their parents, and one-in-four say they’re in debt, according to the firm’s data.
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Overall, roughly one-third of young voters have some college education, and one-half have college degrees, said Conway. Many are underemployed or unemployed, they’re worried about their debts and economic trends, and they’re worried about the value of their educations, she said. In 2012, she said, “I suspect a fair number will return to Obama, but maybe not enough, and not in the [swing] states where he needs them,” she said.
Those states include Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Indiana, Virginia and Iowa, she said. All were won by Obama in 2008, and all were lost in state-wide elections to GOP candidates in 2010, she said.
The GOP is making some progress towards earning their votes, Maddalone said. For example, 38 percent of his respondents said the GOP is “doing a good job addressing and engaging with young professionals,” and 58 percent said they would consider voting for the GOP “if you felt that Republicans were doing a good job addressing and engaging with young professionals.”
Only one-in-six of his respondents voted for the GOP presidential candidate in 2008, and 80 percent of those said they would vote GOP again, said Maddalone.
“People have had time to reflect on how they voted in 2008, and now they’re thinking about whether they have a job or like their job,” said Maddalone. As their trust in the federal government shrinks, they’re becoming more self-reliant, as their attitude shifts from “‘yes, we can,’ to ‘yes, I can,’” he said.
This shift, he said, “is not really being discussed.”
Still, there’s a wide gap in priorities between the millions of crucial swing-voters in swing-states — Ohio, Florida, Virginia, for example — and Maddalone’s group of mostly male, urban, and upwardly-mobile professionals.
Many of those swing voters have already pulled the lever for GOP candidates in 2010, but 59 percent of Maddalone’s respondents said the GOP is still not “doing a good job addressing and engaging with young professionals.” This gap isn’t merely created by the parties’ economic platforms. One in six of the respondents said would not vote GOP even if the GOP was “doing a good job addressing and engaging with young professionals.”
Some of those gaps were evident in a recent survey by California-based RK Research. One thousand college students ranked education, economic and health care as their top three issues, but credited top marks to the GOP for its stance on military issues and a “business-friendly environment.” The students ranked the GOP low on environmental, immigration and gay-rights issues, but they also ranked those last two issues as a low priority.
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These are the same idiots who voted for this disgusting Admn. How is that hope and change workin now you assholes?
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That’s a drop of almost 60 points in support for Obama among this influential class of younger post-grad voters, who Maddalone recruited at conferences held at New York University and Thomson-Reuters’ New York headquarters.
Wow. That's huge. I'm not sure how many of those guys actually vote, but it's pretty clear he won't be able to do the Pied Piper thing this time around.
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Again - obama is picking every scab possible and nt focusing on the economy!
Amnesty for illegals - CHECK
Screwing over Israel - Check
Starting wars all over the place - Check
Spending money like no tommorow on bullshit - Check
Gay issues - Check
All but focusing on jobs and the economy.
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I don't doubt it... Come on GOP... give me something I can get on board with.
I gave Obama more than two years and so far, and while I think he's tried to do some good things, he's made a lot of bonehead moves too... I am even starting to wonder if I should have voted for McCain and Palin.
I can't even believe that is going through my head. :(
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Again - obama is picking every scab possible and nt focusing on the economy!
Amnesty for illegals - CHECK
Screwing over Israel - Check
Starting wars all over the place - Check
Spending money like no tommorow on bullshit - Check
Gay issues - Check
All but focusing on jobs and the economy.
And all those "checks" are nails in his coffin for 2012.
I can see how any reasonable person could vote for him again. Romney, Paul and Pawlenty can't do any worse.
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I can see how any reasonable person could vote for him again. Romney, Paul and Pawlenty can't do any worse.
cause repubs might choose a polarizing candidate that dems will vote AGAINST.
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And all those "checks" are nails in his coffin for 2012.
I can see how any reasonable person could vote for him again. Romney, Paul and Pawlenty can't do any worse.
Agree, although what we're really talking about are independents and Republicans. Democrats are going to vote for Obama no matter what he does, but that's not how he got elected. It's independents and crossover votes that put him and most presidents in office. I think he has already lost those votes.
The very small, temporary Osama bump is a pretty good signal that he is in trouble.
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cause repubs might choose a polarizing candidate that dems will vote AGAINST.
Yawn - according to you, anyone but a sniveling drolling rino dolt is "polarizing". Whatever - you have planned on voting for the messiah from day 1.
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cause repubs might choose a polarizing candidate that dems will vote AGAINST.
I thought Dems always voted against Republicans and vice-versa.
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I thought Dems always voted against Republicans and vice-versa.
some do.
but for example, in 2012, a moderate like Hunts or Mitt might get some moderate voters that would vote AGAINST an extremist like Palin.
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some do.
but for example, in 2012, a moderate like Hunts or Mitt might get some moderate voters that would vote AGAINST an extremist like Palin.
Yeah get 5% more indes but lose the base - brilliant strategy from he who voted for Bob (I want amnesty for illegals) Barr. ::)
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Yeah get 5% more indes but lose the base - brilliant strategy from he who voted for Bob (I want amnesty for illegals) Barr. ::)
33,
are you saying Palin would collect more total votes than a moderate like Romney?
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Yeah get 5% more indes but lose the base - brilliant strategy from he who voted for Bob (I want amnesty for illegals) Barr. ::)
I don't think you can "lose" the base... Do you really think that the people love Palin will vote for the Dem or not at all if you have a moderate run?
I just don't think that's going to happen.
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I don't think you can "lose" the base... Do you really think that the people love Palin will vote for the Dem or not at all if you have a moderate run?
I just don't think that's going to happen.
18% of 2004 repub voters stayed home in 2008.
333 thinks that's because of mccain on the ticket.
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I don't think you can "lose" the base... Do you really think that the people love Palin will vote for the Dem or not at all if you have a moderate run?
I just don't think that's going to happen.
Many in the GOP base stayed home in 2008 because of mcCain. Palin increased support for mccain, not as people like 240 try to claim otherwise. Without her - mccain would have lost even worse.
I'm not saying people will go for palin over romney - but if the gop picks some milqetoast pussy who wont take on obama - they wont stand a chance whatsoever.
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Many in the GOP base stayed home in 2008 because of mcCain. Palin increased support for mccain, not as people like 240 try to claim otherwise. Without her - mccain would have lost even worse.
I'm not saying people will go for palin over romney - but if the gop picks some milqetoast pussy who wont take on obama - they wont stand a chance whatsoever.
I don't know if I agree with that... I don't think there can be any proof one way or the other... Palin really turned me off of the GOP ticket though.
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Many in the GOP base stayed home in 2008 because of mcCain. Palin increased support for mccain, not as people like 240 try to claim otherwise. Without her - mccain would have lost even worse.
I'm not saying people will go for palin over romney - but if the gop picks some milqetoast pussy who wont take on obama - they wont stand a chance whatsoever.
This is true. People typically vote the top of the ticket, but in 08 Palin actually helped McCain. McWay has talked about this.
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I don't know if I agree with that... I don't think there can be any proof one way or the other... Palin really turned me off of the GOP ticket though.
60% of voters in 2008 said they didn't believe palin was even qualified to be veep.
I find it so hard to believe that she was the only reason people turned out to vote repub.
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I don't know if I agree with that... I don't think there can be any proof one way or the other... Palin really turned me off of the GOP ticket though.
She may have - but you need to understand that you are not part of the GOP base that did not show up in 2008. Without base support - either party cant win.
mcCain's problem was mcCain, not palin.
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I don't doubt it... Come on GOP... give me something I can get on board with.
I gave Obama more than two years and so far, and while I think he's tried to do some good things, he's made a lot of bonehead moves too... I am even starting to wonder if I should have voted for McCain and Palin.
I can't even believe that is going through my head. :(
they were the lesser of two evils bro...
the economy would without a doubt be better if mccain was president. Im not saying it would be good by any means but it would be better than it is right now.
other than that it would pretty much be the same shit though.
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I thought Dems always voted against Republicans and vice-versa.
Ron Paul against the Reapers.
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the economy would without a doubt be better if mccain was president.
because he wouldn't have done the stimulus package?
Bush dropped what, 3 trillion in 'assistance' to bail out companies over his 8 years, right? TA posted the numbers - it was at least 3 trillion.
If Obama has delivered 787 billion in 2.5 years.... and mccain would have presumably kept Bush economic policy (which he praised) in place.... well, you do the math.
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because he wouldn't have done the stimulus package?
Bush dropped what, 3 trillion in 'assistance' to bail out companies over his 8 years, right? TA posted the numbers - it was at least 3 trillion.
If Obama has delivered 787 billion in 2.5 years.... and mccain would have presumably kept Bush economic policy (which he praised) in place.... well, you do the math.
3 trillion? Are you sure about that? Im assuming that would have to include the airline bailouts from 9/11, which is a national security matter. Still dont see how you get to 3 trillion. But even if its true, the money for the most part would have to be paid back, and that's the big difference between TARP and the stimulus package. The money from the stimulus package isnt coming back 240. I continue to be amazed at the amount of liberals and even some anti- TARP conservatives who cant see the difference.
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because he wouldn't have done the stimulus package?
Bush dropped what, 3 trillion in 'assistance' to bail out companies over his 8 years, right? TA posted the numbers - it was at least 3 trillion.
If Obama has delivered 787 billion in 2.5 years.... and mccain would have presumably kept Bush economic policy (which he praised) in place.... well, you do the math.
dont you have a fuking mba?
are you serious or just fuking about?
obama has done nothing but inject instability into the business arena...the health care bill which has injected the majority of it and will continue to do so for 5 more years, finreg which was a shell of a bill with details to be laid out later, toying with tax cut expirations...dude the list goes on and on...
as a small business owner you should know first hand that one of the best ways to encourage business to spend is to give them as much stability as possible in terms of future events and expenditures. YOU THINK OBAMA HAS DONE THAT?
if youre seriously not joking you should go back to whatever school you got you mba from and demand you money back ::)
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okay, so you'll concede the stimulus issue as a wash since Bush did it too, possibly at a higher $ amount.
Which ways has Obama injected instability into the bidness world outside of the stim bill?
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I already offer to help him get back his tuition.
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okay, so you'll concede the stimulus issue as a wash since Bush did it too, possibly at a higher $ amount.
Which ways has Obama injected instability into the bidness world outside of the stim bill?
what does bush have to do with anything you tard? what is it with you and the moral equivilency bull shit?
The stimulus could have had a short term benefit but with long term consequences had there not been so much waste and its efforts negated by the health care debacle...
as for what obama has done to inject instability lets start with my last post and what you disagree with before I completely make you look like a jack ass with an MBA ::)
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Obamacare, taxes, nlrb madness, energy inflation, card check, cap n trade, antui business appointees in agencies, epa insanity and on and on and on.
Damn 240 - you really are fucked in the head.
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Obamacare, taxes, nlrb madness, energy inflation, card check, cap n trade, antui business appointees in agencies, epa insanity and on and on and on.
thanks for teh answer.
cap/trade hasn't passed yet.
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obama has done nothing but inject instability into the business arena...the health care bill which has injected the majority of it and will continue to do so for 5 more years, finreg which was a shell of a bill with details to be laid out later, toying with tax cut expirations...dude the list goes on and on...
as a small business owner you should know first hand that one of the best ways to encourage business to spend is to give them as much stability as possible in terms of future events and expenditures. YOU THINK OBAMA HAS DONE THAT?
what part of this post do you disagree with 240?
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thanks for teh answer.
cap/trade hasn't passed yet.
Obama is implementing all of the bullshit of cap & trade via the EPA regs. Do you not pay attention to anything?
BTW - you are noticably silent in my "Misery Idex" thread while appearing in every Palin thread.
Any reason?