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Look at this monster. It probably weights around 580 lbs or so. It has literally twice the lean muscle mass Coleman had at the 2003 Olympia(without any steroids, GH and insulin) and roughly 8 X the power(strength X speed). It is a scary thought that a Human with elite genetics for mass and strength has to take massive amounts of steroids and GH and insulin and train like a mad man for 15 years to end up with only about 12% of the raw power of a gorilla. This puts in perspective how monstrously strong these animals are and how pathetic Humans are.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Look at this monster. It probaby weights around 580 lbs or so. It has literally twice the lean muscle mass Coleman had at the 2003 Olympia(without any steroids, GH and insulin) and roughly 8 X the power(strength X speed). It is a scary thought that a Human with elite genetics for mass and strength has to take massive amounts of steroids and GH and insulin and train like a mad man for 15 years to end up with only about 12% of the raw power of a gorilla. This puts in perspective how monstrously strong these animals are and how pathetic Humans are.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Homo sapiens is the dominant speices on earth not because of his muscle but because of his brain. Still impressive though.
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Homo sapiens is the dominant speices on earth not because of his muscle but because of his brain. Still impressive though.
Yeah, but given the choice of being Newton or having the strength and power of a gorilla, 99%+ of all men would choose the latter option.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Homo sapiens is the dominant speices on earth not because of his muscle but because of his brain. Still impressive though.
Define 'dominant'.
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Define 'dominant'.
Well, we have the power to destroy the world many times over and we could wipe out virtually any species in a short amount of time.
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Define 'dominant'.
Yes, I think the dominant species(plural) on Earth are bacteria and viruses - even though viruses are technically not living entities since they lack even a single cell. The biomass of bacterias and viruses is several times larger than ours, and they can kill us by the millions since we only have cures for 1% of them. They are the dominant life forms on Earth...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yeah, but given the choice of being Newton or having the strength and power of a gorilla, 99%+ of all men would choose the latter option.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I have the strength of Newton and the mind of a gorrilla
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Sucky, I'd love to see a big ass gorilla lift actual weights, just to see how much they can lift.
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Bears are avoiding this thread like G_Thong avoids punctuation.
Sucky, I'd love to see a big ass gorilla lift actual weights, just to see how much they can lift.
Holy shit lol!
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arent gorrilas dwarfs like the 202 guys?
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there is only one gorilla that matters
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I have the strength of Newton and the mind of a gorrilla
lmao
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Bears are avoiding this thread like G_Thong avoids punctuation.
Sucky, I'd love to see a big ass gorilla lift actual weights, just to see how much they can lift.
I find a 900lb grizzly much more terrifying than a Silverback, just based on bears being straight up ruthless to their human victims.
Wouldn't want my ribcage crushed and arms pulled off by a Gorilla either though.. Fck it I dont want no part of either one.
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I find a 900lb grizzly much more terrifying than a Silverback, just based on bears being straight up ruthless to their human victims.
Wouldn't want my ribcage crushed and arms pulled off by a Gorilla either though.. Fck it I dont want no part of either one.
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There is evidence that ape muscle is intrinsically stronger than human muscle and that their maximum shortening velocity is faster. I.e., if you have a given cross-section of muscle (say 1 cm^2), the ape muscle will create more force when maximally activated than the human muscle. Apes also have larger moment arms (so a given muscle force produces a larger joint torque) but this can impair muscle power too. I also suspect there are some neural factors that makes apes able to produce more joint torque.
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You are forgetting that they maintain their size and strength on what diet again? Oh yeah, plants. No meat whatsoever. Interesting physiology they have...
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You are forgetting that they maintain their size and strength on what diet again? Oh yeah, plants. No meat whatsoever. Interesting physiology they have...
That's a pretty damn good point there, MM. I've always been impressed by gorillas. I would never, never, EVER fuck with them ! No way ! Not for any amount of cash !
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A classic battle.
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A classic battle.
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Look at this monster. It probably weights around 580 lbs or so. It has literally twice the lean muscle mass Coleman had at the 2003 Olympia(without any steroids, GH and insulin) and roughly 8 X the power(strength X speed). It is a scary thought that a Human with elite genetics for mass and strength has to take massive amounts of steroids and GH and insulin and train like a mad man for 15 years to end up with only about 12% of the raw power of a gorilla. This puts in perspective how monstrously strong these animals are and how pathetic Humans are.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Shut up, stupid.
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Homo sapiens is the dominant speices on earth not because of his muscle but because of his brain. Still impressive though.
There's a very nice scene in "The Planet of the Apes" movie where the king of the apes talk to his son (who despises humans) about that and says something like - "they have the power of creation", and shows him an anciet human weapon saying "this is more powerfull than 100 spears", or something like that.
I wish i could find it on Youtube.
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Shut up, stupid.
Just remember that I am going to get you some day. I never fail to fulfill my promises. Stupid...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Not this shit agaiin!!!!@!@!!
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That gorilla is pretty impressive but can he break a german shepherd's back while solving a math riddle that no MIT professor is capable of solving? I think not.
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That gorilla is pretty impressive but can he break a german shepherd's back while solving a math riddle that no MIT professor is capable of solving? I think not.
You forgot managing 4 hedge funds simultaneously and leading delta force to kill osama...
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Good find. LMAO. ;D
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not even close lol
Full grown silverback gorillas weigh around 300 lbs normally (males).
Now a polar bear or a kodiak bear is a different story! They can weigh between 900 - 1500 lbs!
http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/bear.html
It's funny to think about, but Ronnie Coleman at 300 lbs is probably around the same size as a full grown silverback...and probably with MORE muscle mass. The difference would be in how it is distributed and the ability to use the strength.
You are so wrong...do you really think that gorilla is 300 lbs, you idiot? That would make it the size of a pro bodybuilder in the off season. Lowland gorillas average 350(not 300) lbs, but mountain gorillas average much higher at around 450 lbs, and the largest mountain gorillas have exceeded 600 lbs. And the silverback, Pablo, has been weighted at 540 lbs. You are crazy. You truly are. Watch the video of the gorilla that drags the ranger. That gorilla is at least 500 lbs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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According to "SimplyHuge", gorillas are around 300 lbs which would make them no bigger than your typical pro bodybuilder in the offseason. Well, take a look at this gorilla here. Look at the size of it's arms. Look at the size of it's back! It is literally four times the width of a Human's back. It's wrists are at least 12" around. Those arms are the size of most pros' quads! It grabs a full grown man and drags it like a doll. I am sorry, but 300 lbs my ass. I have seen Greg Kovacs at 400 lbs and he was a lot smaller than this monster here. I estimate this gorilla to be over 500 lbs and close to 600 lbs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Large adult silverbacks weigh about 450-500 lbs at the most. I doubt there are any that approach 600 lbs in the wild. Maybe in zoos where they get fat and happy they could get a bit bigger. They get a hell of a lot bigger than 300 lbs though.
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According to "SimplyHuge", gorillas are around 300 lbs which would make them no bigger than your typical pro bodybuilder in the offseason. Well, take a look at this gorilla here. Look at the size of it's arms. Look at the size of it's back! It is literally four times the width of a Human's back. It's wrists are at least 12" around. Those arms are the size of most pros' quads! It grabs a full grown man and drags it like a doll. I am sorry, but 300 lbs my ass. I have seen Greg Kovacs at 400 lbs and he was a lot smaller than this monster here. I estimate this gorilla to be over 500 lbs and close to 600 lbs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I have to agree... that gorillas arm was almost as big as that guys legs put together.
That's huge.
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gorilla doesn't look that big to me ???
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http://nationalzoo.si.edu/animals/primates/facts/factsheets/gorillas/default.cfm 300-400 lbs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla 300-450 lbs
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/mountain-gorilla/ 300-485 lbs (mountain gorilla)
http://www.ehow.com/about_6361263_silverback-gorillas.html 350 lbs on avg
http://www.berggorilla.org/english/faq/dvers/fragen/gross.html 330 lbs on avg
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Gorillas_height_weight 350 lbs on avg
http://www.gorilla.org/friends/popup_gorilla_faqs.html 325 lbs on avg
We are not talking about the biggest gorilla EVER....it was an AVERAGE gorilla...and they normally weigh around 300 (maybe 350 lbs) depending on the source. And YES, plenty of male silverbacks are right around 300 lbs. See all those links above.
And looking at a video and going "wow, look how big it looks" doesnt make it 580 lbs.
Maybe you need to look at this...look how bg this gorilla is...it is not 300 pounds, but waaaay more
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/videos/feeds/cv-seo/Full-Episodes/All-Full-Episodes/Explorer-Gorilla-Murders.html (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/videos/feeds/cv-seo/Full-Episodes/All-Full-Episodes/Explorer-Gorilla-Murders.html)
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Mighty
Mike Quinn Joe Young
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http://nationalzoo.si.edu/animals/primates/facts/factsheets/gorillas/default.cfm 300-400 lbs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla 300-450 lbs
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/mountain-gorilla/ 300-485 lbs (mountain gorilla)
http://www.ehow.com/about_6361263_silverback-gorillas.html 350 lbs on avg
http://www.berggorilla.org/english/faq/dvers/fragen/gross.html 330 lbs on avg
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Gorillas_height_weight 350 lbs on avg
http://www.gorilla.org/friends/popup_gorilla_faqs.html 325 lbs on avg
We are not talking about the biggest gorilla EVER....it was an AVERAGE gorilla...and they normally weigh around 300 (maybe 350 lbs) depending on the source. And YES, plenty of male silverbacks are right around 300 lbs. See all those links above.
And looking at a video and going "wow, look how big it looks" doesnt make it 580 lbs.
No, I am talking about mountain gorillas and not lowland gorillas. Lowland gorillas average 350 lbs and are never bigger than 450 lbs(around 200 kg). Mountain gorillas have been recorded at over 600 lbs. I actually saw that in the Dicovery Channel. There was one in Chicago in the 1930s that was over 700 lbs. And even though the gorilla was overweight, it wasn't obese. Even if it leaned down and lost all the fat, it would probably still be over 600 lbs and close to around 650 lbs. But I agree that this size is not typical. Most mountain gorillas weight between 450 lbs and 600 lbs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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No, I am talking about mountain gorillas and not lowland gorillas. Lowland gorillas average 350 lbs and are never bigger than 450 lbs(around 200 kg). Mountain gorillas have been recorded at over 600 lbs. I actually saw that in the Dicovery Channel. There was one in Chicago in the 1930s that was over 700 lbs. And even though the gorilla was overweight, it wasn't obese. Even if it leaned down and lost all the fat, it would probably still be over 600 lbs and close to around 650 lbs. But I agree that this size is not typical. Most mountain gorillas weight between 450 lbs and 600 lbs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Is this lowland or mountain gorilla ,SMM?
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http://nationalzoo.si.edu/animals/primates/facts/factsheets/gorillas/default.cfm 300-400 lbs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla 300-450 lbs
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/mountain-gorilla/ 300-485 lbs (mountain gorilla)
http://www.ehow.com/about_6361263_silverback-gorillas.html 350 lbs on avg
http://www.berggorilla.org/english/faq/dvers/fragen/gross.html 330 lbs on avg
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Gorillas_height_weight 350 lbs on avg
http://www.gorilla.org/friends/popup_gorilla_faqs.html 325 lbs on avg
We are not talking about the biggest gorilla EVER....it was an AVERAGE gorilla...and they normally weigh around 300 (maybe 350 lbs) depending on the source. And YES, plenty of male silverbacks are right around 300 lbs. See all those links above.
And looking at a video and going "wow, look how big it looks" doesnt make it 580 lbs.
You forget dude, suckmymuscle is not very good with numbers..
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According to 'SimplyHuge", gorillas are around 300 lbs which makes them no bigger than your average pro bodybuilder in the offseason. Well, look at this. You need to be completely fucking retarded to think that this beast is 300 lbs. It probably carries 300 lbs only on it's back muscles. This gorilla is at least 500 lbs. And guess what? It is a wild gorilla in shape and not a fat one in captivity. I rest my case.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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LOl, look at the gorilla's back between 0:44 and 0:48. 300 lbs my ass. It's back is literally twice the width of Coleman's at the 2003 Olympia, and each of it's arms dwarfes Coleman's quads. Only a complete fucking moron would even take seriously the claim that it weights 300 lbs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yeah, but given the choice of being Newton or having the strength and power of a gorilla, 99%+ of all men would choose the latter option.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
No they wouldn't
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Yes, I think the dominant species(plural) on Earth are bacteria and viruses - even though viruses are technically not living entities since they lack even a single cell. The biomass of bacterias and viruses is several times larger than ours, and they can kill us by the millions since we only have cures for 1% of them. They are the dominant life forms on Earth...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Are you fucking kidding me? ???
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Are you fucking kidding me? ???
No, he is being 100% serious...Sad isn't it?
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fair enough.
i think a 'typical' mountain gorilla would weigh around 450 thouhg based on what i read.
in the vid you posted it was a silverback...so i doubt it was much over 350 lbs.
"Silverback" means the dominant adult male, and thus the largest gorilla in the pack. This clearly goes to show how much you know(nothing). And the absolute minimum that the gorilla in the video I posted weights is 450 lbs. That is the absolute minimum. It cannot weight less than 450 lbs(200 kg). It is simply impossible.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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No, he is being 100% serious...Sad isn't it?
Ok, morons, what is wrong with saying that viruses and bacterias are the dominant species on the planet? Their biomass is at least 100 times greater than that of all other species combined, and they kill millions of people every year and there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Do you think we are the most dominant just because we can create fancy toys? The irony of people who are clearly less intelligent than me and who didn't even understand my point in the first place thinking that they know better than me and that I am stupid. One of the "pleasures" of posting at Getbig.com message boards.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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SUCKMYMUSCLE
that poor guy just dropped a 3rd of his bodyweight in his underwear, mustve been terrified, look at his expression, fuck..
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Just remember that I am going to get you some day. I never fail to fulfill my promises. Stupid...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Just remember that I will see to it that some day you will die.
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:D
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Look at this monster. It probably weights around 580 lbs or so. It has literally twice the lean muscle mass Coleman had at the 2003 Olympia(without any steroids, GH and insulin) and roughly 8 X the power(strength X speed). It is a scary thought that a Human with elite genetics for mass and strength has to take massive amounts of steroids and GH and insulin and train like a mad man for 15 years to end up with only about 12% of the raw power of a gorilla. This puts in perspective how monstrously strong these animals are and how pathetic Humans are.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
it was said that a 500lbs gorilla would be able to bench press 1000lbs with ease
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it was said that a 500lbs gorilla would be able to bench press 1000lbs with ease
How come you never see any at powerlifting meets then?
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How come you never see any at powerlifting meets then?
I sometimes spot them there..
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there is only one gorilla that matters
(http://fuckthesystemwriting.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/monsoon.jpg?w=320&h=240)
Fukn Monsoon !!!
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How come you never see any at powerlifting meets then?
they're above the average Ape on those meets and therefore have to be in their own class
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Here are lowland gorillas' estimated lifts on popular exercises. Please read the other gorilla thread to undrstand the logic behind these lifts http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=377680.0. These estimates are for lowland gorillas. Mountain gorillas are much stronger:
Bench press(raw) 1,300 lbs
Front military barbell press 2,000 lbs
Barbell row 2,400 lbs
Deadlift 4,500 lbs
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Here are lowland gorillas' estimated lifts on popular exercises. Please read the other gorilla thread to undrstand the logic behind these lifts http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=377680.0. These estimates are for lowland gorillas. Mountain gorillas are much stronger:
Bench press(raw) 1,300 lbs
Front military barbell press 2,000 lbs
Barbell row 2,400 lbs
Deadlift 4,500 lbs
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Imagine what they could lift on gear and trained by gh15...
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Imagine what they could lift on gear and trained by gh15...
Those lifts are for lowland gorillas, which average slightly more than 300 lbs and are never bigger than 400 lbs. Mountain gorillas are much larger averaging 450 lbs and can be over 600 lbs and are over twice as strong as lowland gorillas. So you can double those lifts for a 500 lbs mountain gorilla. Some people might find the gorilla's bench disappointing. Although much higher than even the strongest Human's, not as spectacular as the other lifts, but that's because gorillas' muscles are positioned to maximize strength for pulling and not pushing and they have very long arms which also makes benching much harder for them than for a Human. Nevertheless, a large mountain gorilla should still be able to bench raw about 5 times more weight than what the strongest Human bencher can, and should be able to pull weights over a dozen times greater than what pro bodybuilders do on pulling exercises like barbell rows. A large mountain gorilla could barbell row a bar with cars at each end of the bar. Now imagine if it grabs hold of your crotch and pulls it...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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not even close lol
Full grown silverback gorillas weigh around 300 lbs normally (males).
Now a polar bear or a kodiak bear is a different story! They can weigh between 900 - 1500 lbs!
http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/bear.html
It's funny to think about, but Ronnie Coleman at 300 lbs is probably around the same size as a full grown silverback...and probably with MORE muscle mass. The difference would be in how it is distributed and the ability to use the strength.
300lbs? You are a moron lol.
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300lbs? You are a moron lol.
No, it's really 300 lbs. I mean, just take a look at this video. The gorilla's arms are the size of Ronnie's quads at the 2003 Olympia, and it's back has literally twice the width of Ronnie's back when he was in his prime, and yet the gorilla still manages to be the same size of Ronnie or Nasser according to "SimplyHuge". How can you argue with such brutal logic? :-\ :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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No, it's really 300 lbs. I mean, just take a look at this video. The gorilla's arms are the size of Ronnie's quads at the 2003 Olympia, and it's back has literally twice the width of Ronnie's back when he was in his prime, and yet the gorilla still manages to be the same size of Ronnie or Nasser according to "SimplyHuge". How can you argue with such brutal logic? :-\ :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
His head is the size of a fucking Smart car. In the video of the Silverback that drags the ranger by the leg, if you stop and watch it go by you can see the sheer size of its forearm, it literally looks bigger than Ronnie Colemans leg. Sometimes people confuse relativity of mass, they do the same thing in bodybuilding all the time.
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His head is the size of a fucking Smart car. In the video of the Silverback that drags the ranger by the leg, if you stop and watch it go by you can see the sheer size of its forearm, it literally looks bigger than Ronnie Colemans leg. Sometimes people confuse relativity of mass, they do the same thing in bodybuilding all the time.
Yep. the gorilla in this video is at least 450 lbs(200 kg). It is simply impossible for it to be smaller. Looking at it, I estimate it's weight at about 520-30 lbs or so. It's wrists are 12' around, or almost the size of a man's upper arm. This behemoth seen here can barbell row a bar with cars on each end of it, or deadlift a van at 6,000 lbs. Fucking monstah!!!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I might have seen the same documentary, one of the scenes in it was awesome. When the alpha-male silverback gorilla wanted to mate he would start growling and rocking back and forth for a while and then his 4-5 females would simply lie down on their back and wait for him to fuck them, EPIC alpha male ;D.
Thats a typical weekend for getbiggers
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Yes, gorillas can deadlift 9,152,555 pounds and throw a Cadillac across the Pacific Ocean. I've seen lots of gorillas at the zoo and never saw a single demonstration of strength other than banging on the glass and eating a small pumpkin.
Gorillas are cute.
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Yes, gorillas can deadlift 9,152,555 pounds and throw a Cadillac across the Pacific Ocean. I've seen lots of gorillas at the zoo and never saw a single demonstration of strength other than banging on the glass and eating a small pumpkin.
Gorillas are cute.
Black backs(male gorillas before puberty) have been seen tearing truck tires with their bare hands and bending coins with their fingers. Now take into consideration that a black back weights around 200 lbs. So do the math for the power of a 450-600 lbs silverback mountain gorilla.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Here are lowland gorillas' estimated lifts on popular exercises. Please read the other gorilla thread to undrstand the logic behind these lifts http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=377680.0. These estimates are for lowland gorillas. Mountain gorillas are much stronger:
Bench press(raw) 1,300 lbs
Front military barbell press 2,000 lbs
Barbell row 2,400 lbs
Deadlift 4,500 lbs
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Pure fiction.
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Yeah, but given the choice of being Newton or having the strength and power of a gorilla, 99%+ of all men would choose the latter option.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Hehe, would you also prefer the mind of a gorilla? AND, there is also one more caveat: the penis size of a gorilla? It is 4 cm long erect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis). This is actually a trait that is directly related to the size and strength in the gorilla. The gorilla has a harem- ie. only one male gets to mate the group of females in the "pack". In mammals- this kind of mating hierarchy is associated with having small penis sizes ( I kid you not, hehe), AND also associated with a very large difference between males and females in size and strength, probably due to male selection for strength and size in order to get to the top of the dominance hierachy and thus being able to mate. (somewhat related: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article504245.ece).
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Yes, gorillas can deadlift 9,152,555 pounds and throw a Cadillac across the Pacific Ocean. I've seen lots of gorillas at the zoo and never saw a single demonstration of strength other than banging on the glass and eating a small pumpkin.
Gorillas are cute.
Lol! ;D
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Yes, gorillas can deadlift 9,152,555 pounds and throw a Cadillac across the Pacific Ocean. I've seen lots of gorillas at the zoo and never saw a single demonstration of strength other than banging on the glass and eating a small pumpkin.
Gorillas are cute.
;D ;D ;D
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did you ever see the videos of a small chimp out pulling a grown man with one hand like he was nothing now multiply the strength by 5 and you got a gorilla. years ago they used a dynamoter to test a chimps grip he register a decent amount, but in a sibsequent try he became angered and his strength went off the charts. i'll see if i can find the article.
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Yes, gorillas can deadlift 9,152,555 pounds and throw a Cadillac across the Pacific Ocean. I've seen lots of gorillas at the zoo and never saw a single demonstration of strength other than banging on the glass and eating a small pumpkin.
Gorillas are cute.
aww patty cakes, you jealous cuz they are stronger than you? >:(
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Gorillas rule. I'd love to live among them. I am sick of human shit.
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Ok, morons, what is wrong with saying that viruses and bacterias are the dominant species on the planet? Their biomass is at least 100 times greater than that of all other species combined, and they kill millions of people every year and there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Do you think we are the most dominant just because we can create fancy toys? The irony of people who are clearly less intelligent than me and who didn't even understand my point in the first place thinking that they know better than me and that I am stupid. One of the "pleasures" of posting at Getbig.com message boards.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Whats more dominant hmm let me see...
We can live without viruses, they need a host to survive. They are completely dependent on us for survival. Well animals as well.
I would say humans are easily the most dominant because we literally change our environment to suit ourselves. If we feel like living in the fucking desert, we just pipe in water and air conditioning and there you have it. Since when do viruses live outside a living host? That's right, they don't...
Also if we truly wanted to, we could wipe out any virus on the planet. Just takes money and time.
In truth, what determines a species dominance I would think would be ability to colonize and change the environment. Not to mention we eat literally everything- plants, animals, ourselves...We can eat anything and live anywhere and change our surroundings to suit ourselves. Pretty much it.
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Whats more dominant hmm let me see...
We can live without viruses, they need a host to survive. They are completely dependent on us for survival. Well animals as well.
Yeah, and we are completely dependent on plants and animals for our survival as well. So going by your logic, they are more dominant than we are. Saying that being dominant is defined by who needs who more is redundant. Lions depend on meat of other animals to survive; without it they starve. And yet, most biologists would say that lions are at the most dominant species since they are at the top of the food chain.
I would say humans are easily the most dominant because we literally change our environment to suit ourselves. If we feel like living in the fucking desert, we just pipe in water and air conditioning and there you have it.
This is a value-judgement you are making: a complete opinion based on an arbitrary criteria and nothing more. Sure, we can live in any environment due to our technology and viruses can't, but this is not a criteria that Nature uses to determine dominance. Dominance is defined by reproduction and by which species can manipulate organic resources better for reproduction. Viruses and bacterias are more dominant than we are because their biomass(the combined weight of all viruses and bacteria) is several times greater than ours, and they can manipulate us for their reproductive advantage much better than we can. In fact, we don't use viruses and bacteria at all to aid in our survival - except for symbiotic bacteria in our gut -, but they sure as hell uses us, and they kill us by the millions every year and there is nothing we can do to stop them.
Since when do viruses live outside a living host? That's right, they don't...
Since when can Humans live without animals and plants? Going by your logic, then they are more dominant than we are since we need them but they don't need us. A plant can use sunlight to create sugars via photosynthesis and live for itself, but we need to feed on plants or animals that feed on plants to survive. So who is more dominant? This is a terrible criteria for dominance. We are dominant over plants even though we need them a lot more than they need us because we use them for our reproductive advantage to a much greater degree than they use us; likewise, viruses and bacteria are dominant over us even though they need us much more than we need them because they use us for their reproductive advantage much more than we use them.
Also if we truly wanted to, we could wipe out any virus on the planet. Just takes money and time.
Do you really think that if all it took to wipe out every virus and bacteria are money and time, that pharmaceutical companies wouldn't have done it a long time ago? Do you have any idea how much money there is to be made on an AIDS or Flu vaccine? We are talking not even billions, but potentially trillions of Dollars here. Not only are we unable to defeat most viruses and bacteria, but the ones we can are growing resistance to our antibiotics and making a comeback killing millions of people.
In truth, what determines a species dominance I would think would be ability to colonize and change the environment.
This is a completely arbitrary definition of dominance. Cockroaches can live in any environment and yet they are food in all environments. Cockroaches are dominant, though, because there are so many of them even though they are eaten so often. And they are dominant over us because they use us for their own reproductive success - we are a great source of food - more than we use them.
Not to mention we eat literally everything- plants, animals, ourselves...We can eat anything and live anywhere and change our surroundings to suit ourselves. Pretty much it.
But before you said that viruses were not dominant over us because they need us. Well, we need plants and animals, so are they dominant over us? See how foolish the criteria you are using is? I can say that viruses are dominant over us because they "eat" us and we can't stop them. But you are agreeing with me: we are dominant over plants and animals because we use them for our reproductive advantage much more than they use us. Likewise, viruses and bacteria are dominant over us because they use us for their reproductive advantage much more than we use them, and they are the most dominant species because the biomass of viruses and bacteria is hundreds of times greater than that of all plants and animals combined.
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SMM you are a ponce. I have said this before, and you refuse to listen.
Google the fucking word, look in the mirror, and see the truth.
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SMM you are a ponce. I have said this before, and you refuse to listen.
Google the fucking word, look in the mirror, and see the truth.
Translation:
"I got owned with my own retard logic and am feeling stupid right now and have nothing to reply to him, so I will just insult him."
"Methyl Mike", it's not my fault that I made you feel stupid and that you are unable to debate with me without resorting to childish insults.
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Ok, morons, what is wrong with saying that viruses and bacterias are the dominant species on the planet? Their biomass is at least 100 times greater than that of all other species combined, and they kill millions of people every year and there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Do you think we are the most dominant just because we can create fancy toys? The irony of people who are clearly less intelligent than me and who didn't even understand my point in the first place thinking that they know better than me and that I am stupid. One of the "pleasures" of posting at Getbig.com message boards.
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God you're stupid. So, so stupid. Your intelligence capacity is even beneath this board. It must be torture going through life being so stupid. You should be grateful that I am slowly willing you to die.
It's only a matter of time, stupid. Only a matter of time when through sheer force of my will you will die.
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God you're stupid. So, so stupid. Your intelligence capacity is even beneath this board. It must be torture going through life being so stupid. You should be grateful that I am slowly willing you to die.
It's only a matter of time, stupid. Only a matter of time when through sheer force of my will you will die.
You are so childish, spiteful and stupid. What a sad behavior for a 50 year-old man like yourself. Why don't you start acting your age and not like an adolescent girl having her period?
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Translation:
"I got owned with my own retard logic and am feeling stupid right now and have nothing to reply to him, so I will just insult him."
"Methyl Mike", it's not my fault that I made you feel stupid and that you are unable to debate with me without resorting to childish insults.
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Let's see, whom would you presume is more intelligent here- one of us has made his point and turned his attention to other things in life, the other insists on writing out multiple multiple paragraph posts left and right in an attempt to win arguments with anonymous people on the internt.
Chew on that.
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This is a value-judgement you are making: a complete opinion based on an arbitrary criteria and nothing more. Sure, we can live in any environment due to our technology and viruses can't, but this is not a criteria that Nature uses to determine dominance. Dominance is defined by reproduction and by which species can manipulate organic resources better for reproduction. Viruses and bacterias are more dominant than we are because their biomass(the combined weight of all viruses and bacteria) is several times greater than ours, and they can manipulate us for their reproductive advantage much better than we can. In fact, we don't use viruses and bacteria at all to aid in our survival - except for symbiotic bacteria in our gut -, but they sure as hell uses us, and they kill us by the millions every year and there is nothing we can do to stop them.
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That's all a value judgment is: "a complete opinion based on an arbitrary criteria." No different than your criteria for dominance... "reproduction and ability to manipulate organic resources better for reproduction." Oh wait, i forgot "Nature" uses this criteria, so it must be special... that reminds me, I've always wanted to talk to Nature! Could you hook me up with her phone number?! ::)
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You are so childish, spiteful and stupid. What a sad behavior for a 50 year-old man like yourself. Why don't you start acting your age and not like an adolescent girl having her period?
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But I still have the body of a 49 year old.
You have just moved a little bit closer to your death by that last post.
You are one creepy, delusional and seriously disturbed human being. I can't stop laughing at this post. Trying so, so hard to seem special and superior.
All these supposed super human ability and here you are on GetBig talking about muscle men and apes.
If it makes you feel better, I am not completely Human. When I was 16 I had polio and as my condition didn't improve, my parents started to look for alternative treatments. They eventually came across gene therapy, which was extremely experimental at that time - I am talking here about the 1990s. The doctors convinced them that if they could insert genes into my DNA that could result in higher metabolic efficiency, I would have a better chance. So they injected me with a a virus especifically designed to alter my DNA. It was a mutagenic symbiotic retrovirus that enhances the host rather than killing him. The genes inserted coded for higher VO2 ratio, superior lactic acid clearage from the muscles, smaller and more efficient mitochondria inside cells and higher hemoglobin on red blood cells. This allowed me to survive polio, but there was an added benefit to it which became apparent to me after I returned to school: I had become a freakish athlete. I could run much faster and longer than the other kids, my muscles could explode with much more power and I was much faster and more agile and with faster reflexes. I went on to earn 15 varsity letters on 7 different sports. This, when combined with the fact that I earned a perfect 1600 on the old SAT(math + verbal) due to my high IQ, allowed me to enter Special Ops officer training at age 18, many years sooner than a regular candidate wouuld. I went there because, since my father is a millionaire, I would never have to work anyway and I wanted to do something exciting. During my days of active duty, I lived in England during intelligence work and met many MI6 guys. I had fuull access to the entire MI6 database above top secret. At age 24 I went into the reserve even though I was so young because I wanted to do something else, so I got my MBA in two years and became a hedge fund guy admininstring a total of a quarter biillion Dollars. Posteriorly, I earned a law degree from Cornell as I was tired of losing so much money on expensive lawyers in lawsuits. My dad is trying to get me into the casino business, but I don't like dealing with the crooks and gamblers that make up the world of bets so I will stick with my hedge funds for now.
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did you ever see the videos of a small chimp out pulling a grown man with one hand like he was nothing now multiply the strength by 5 and you got a gorilla World's Strongest Man competitor. years ago they used a dynamoter to test a chimps grip he register a decent amount, but in a sibsequent try he became angered and his strength went off the charts. i'll see if i can find the article.
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Why chimps appear stronger than they are is because of their swift movement and aggressiveness (but yes, they have ridiculous grip strength, duh). I haven't seen anything that suggests that a chimp could out power a grown man. It's all the rage and fast movement.
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Why chimps appear stronger than they are is because of their swift movement and aggressiveness (but yes, they have ridiculous grip strength, duh). I haven't seen anything that suggests that a chimp could out power a grown man. It's all the rage and fast movement.
brute rage= real power
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SMM- check PM's
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This thread is useless without a bear
(http://cloud.graphicleftovers.com/12009/650090/angry-bear.jpg)
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This thread is useless without a bear
(http://cloud.graphicleftovers.com/12009/650090/angry-bear.jpg)
No bear under 1,000 lbs stands a snow ball's chance in hell against a 500 lbs mountain gorilla in a fit of rage defending his females and territory.
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dominance is a concept made by man, produced by his brain. Other animal species dont ask themselves if they are dominant or not. Human (specie) is the only one able to "know" it is "dominating" other humans or animals.
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dominance is a concept made by man, produced by his brain. Other animal species dont ask themselves if they are dominant or not. Human (specie) is the only one able to "know" it is "dominating" other humans or animals.
Tell that to a lion fighting other lion for hunting and breeding grounds...or to a bear fighting other bears over rivers full of salmons. Dominance most certainly exists in Nature, and animals know when they are the dominant ones and when they are not.
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this is a great thread
if andy kaufman was still alive he would be proud of SMM's "pro gorilla" schtick
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this is a great thread
if andy kaufman was still alive he would be proud of SMM's "pro gorilla" schtick
Andy was one of the wrestlers of all time.
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Andy was one of the wrestlers of all time.
ya know, people sometimes like to say that Kaufman's run in Memphis was overrated.........honest ly though I disagree
his work in memphis was off the chain
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A classic battle.
The funniest thing about this video is the music. I don't know why, but I find this fight to this music hilarious. ;D
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(http://www.picvalley.net/u/2165/163096308410385892961306709417cOLvtPn4DubpxQsX6q8a.JPG) (http://www.picvalley.net/v.php?p=u/2165/163096308410385892961306709417cOLvtPn4DubpxQsX6q8a.JPG)
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No one knows for sure how strong gorillas are. Some sources claim that gorillas are only 4 times stronger than the average man at pushing, and 8 times stronger at pulling(www.allexperts.com), while other sources claim that gorillas have the upper body strength of up to 30 men and can flip cars with ease(Discovery Channel)!
The most reasonable source I've seen is from a famous primatologist who stated that gorillas are 5 X stronger than elite Human powerlifters at pushing and 8 times at pulling, and that when it comes to power(strength multiplied by speed), they have 10 X the power of an NFL lineman or Mike Tyson in his prime.
One thing is for sure: at least when it comes to pulling, gorillas are much, much stronger than any man. The reasons for this is that not only do gorillas have a lot more muscle than Humans, but a lot of their muscle mass is in their back. Studies have shown that the cross-sectional area of muscle in a gorilla's back is up to six times greater than a Human's. Ronnie Coleman in his prime probably only had twice the cross-sectional area of muscle in his back than an average man(which is really huge. Doubling your muscle mass is utterly insane!). The second reason is that the gorilla's shoulder joint allows it to focus pretty much all the strength of it's back muscles for pulling. A Human has a shoulder joint that only allows it to focus a fraction of the back muscles' strength for pulling. Humans have terrible leverage for pulling.
The much larger back muscles and superior leverage gives the gorilla a pulling strength over 20 times greater than an average man's and about 8 times greater than the World's strongest man. Chimpanzees can dislocate and rip a man's arm right off the sockets, and a chimpanzee has only about 20% of a mountain gorilla's power. This means that a gorilla could rip a bear's limbs from the sockets as well. This would be hard with a large grizzly due to the grizzly's very thick arms which wouldn't allow the gorilla to grip firmly, but it should be no problem with a black bear or smaller grizzly bear.
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(http://www.picvalley.net/u/2165/163096308410385892961306709417cOLvtPn4DubpxQsX6q8a.JPG) (http://www.picvalley.net/v.php?p=u/2165/163096308410385892961306709417cOLvtPn4DubpxQsX6q8a.JPG)
That is not a gorilla even though it looks like one.
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Imagine these gorilla's on steroids, hgh and insulin. :o
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Imagine these gorilla's on steroids, hgh and insulin.
These are tiny lowland gorillas from East Africa, who never become heavier than about 350 lbs. The average is about 300 lbs. Yet, they still have 5 X the raw power of Mariusz Pudzianowski and can pull weights between 6 to 8 times heavier than Mariusz. These things can tear truck tires with their bare hands, punch through 2" steel doors and bend coins with their fingers. Now imagine a mountain gorilla which is twice this size and even stronger pound-for-pound.
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Imagine these gorilla's on steroids, hgh and insulin. :o
The visual density in their backs, necks forearms and shoulders is out of this world. They look like brick walls from the back. You can tell just by looking at them they have insane pulling power. Built that way so they can pull their own weight from tree limbs, break down small trees and vegetation for food ect.
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These are tiny lowland gorillas from East Africa, who never become heavier than about 350 lbs. The average is about 300 lbs. Yet, they still have 5 X the raw power of Mariusz Pudzianowski and can pull weights between 6 to 8 times heavier than Mariusz. These things can tear truck tires with their bare hands, punch through 2" steel doors and bend coins with their fingers. Now imagine a mountain gorilla which is twice this size and even stronger pound-for-pound.
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Are we talking about animals or Marvel heroes? ::)
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lol klaus
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Are we talking about animals or Marvel heroes? ::)
lol, his internet fantasies cover gorillas too now.