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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: geon90 on May 27, 2011, 08:08:00 AM
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newbie here...i was thinking to take this for my first cycle ( i took winny injectable 3 months ago and worked great ). goal : get lean
any advice ? don`t know about how much dosage to use
some info about me : 21 years ,89~~ kg , 15 16% ~~ bf
tnks
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personaly id go test prop & tren a.... but thats me!
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tnks for response... i`ll wait for other suggestions
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i would first lower bf% to around 10-11% before touching any tren/test/winny
than just get on tren and test prop as said above, or run winny by itself.
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i would first lower bf% to around 10-11% before touching any tren/test/winny
than just get on tren and test prop as said above, or run winny by itself.
Yeah bodyfat should be under 10%, you want to be lean so all the juice gets absorbed to the muscle rather than in fat, Test Prop,Tren A and Winstrol is a good stack, i would prefer injectable winny than oral winny ;)
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ok so i have to wait a of months :Dthan i`ll go for tren a +winny injectable ( + test prop ) thanks a lot for responses guys.
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Yeah bodyfat should be under 10%, you want to be lean so all the juice gets absorbed to the muscle rather than in fat, Test Prop,Tren A and Winstrol is a good stack, i would prefer injectable winny than oral winny ;)
Is this proven or broscience? I tend to agree but just wondering.
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Is this proven or broscience? I tend to agree but just wondering.
Most likely just bro science but it makes sense, give a skinny ripped guy in your gym a bottle of dbol and he will blow up lean and look pumped, give the dbol to a fat guy and he will look bloody fat
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Most likely just bro science but it makes sense, give a skinny ripped guy in your gym a bottle of dbol and he will blow up lean and look pumped, give the dbol to a fat guy and he will look bloody fat
the bloofy type of guy GH15 always talks about and that you dont wanna look like
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the bloofy type of guy GH15 always talks about and that you dont wanna look like
Yeah exactly, a lot of these perma bulkers say stuff like Dbol,Anadrol,Test makes them bloofy well having 15% body fat dont help ::)
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Yeah exactly, a lot of these perma bulkers say stuff like Dbol,Anadrol,Test makes them bloofy well having 15% body fat dont help ::)
perma wankers...they miss out on the great gains that those compounds can do for them if done the proper way
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perma wankers...they miss out on the great gains that those compounds can do for them if done the proper way
They are too insecure to diet down, they go by scale not by mirror, a true bodybuilder who is secure wont care what he weighs only what he looks like he weighs and how well shaped and muscled he is, fuck the scale
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The stack you're talking about will actually help you lose body-fat. While most all steroids help improve metabolic efficiency Tren is one of the few that effects stored body-fat on a direct level.
There's no reason you have to lose a bunch more weight before you begin the cycle, in-fact if you were one of my guys I'd smack you in the face for doing that. All you'll do is lose muscle tissue with the fat, makes a lot more sense to preserve the muscle tissue while losing the fat. As long as you're not eating more carbs than you need you won't get that "Bloofy" look the other guys are talking about.
And yes, you need to use at least a little testosterone with this stack as Tren suppresses Test to a fairly large degree.
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perma wankers...they miss out on the great gains that those compounds can do for them if done the proper way
they will more than likely make much greater gains through eating a much larger calorie surplus, if you dont strive for higher body weights you will never improve from year to year
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yes,in fact how are you going to lose fat?diet??no, you lose them by using tren a.......
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They are too insecure to diet down, they go by scale not by mirror, a true bodybuilder who is secure wont care what he weighs only what he looks like he weighs and how well shaped and muscled he is, fuck the scale
spot on.
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they will more than likely make much greater gains through eating a much larger calorie surplus, if you dont strive for higher body weights you will never improve from year to year
maybe...but there are other ways to keep improving year by year without looking like a shapeless barbapapa(http://gifs.gifmania.co.il/Animated-Gifs-Animated-Cartoons/Animations-Barbapapa/red-barbapapa.gif)
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if you diet all year round you will more or less be the same year after year,,,, unless you take an ungodly amount of drugs
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if you diet all year round you will more or less be the same year after year,,,, unless you take an ungodly amount of drugs
? ::)
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why the question mark,,, how can you go up in size with out extra cals, impossible..., and this is regarding bodybuilding, not staying toned or looking ok
as i said, you could do this and stay very lean if you ran a huge dose of growth all year round and a ton of anabolics
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i've read that test, tren, and winnie make the perfect stack bc it utilizes all three main steroid divisions/bases: testosterone, nandrolone, and dht. tren being nandrolone derivative; winnie being dht derivative.
btw don't run tren without test unless you're ready for a limp penis.
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i speack with some ppl ..and all told me that tren isn`t good for newbies .. and they recomended clen +t3 to get lean .....
my cycle for clen +t3 ..
clen :2 weeks on , 2 weeks off....till i get to 8 weeks on and 7 weeks off right ?
day1: 20mcg
day2: 40mcg
day3: 60mcg
day4: 80mcg
day5: 80mcg
day6-12: 100mcg
day13: 80 mcg
day14: 60 mcg
and for tren : i was thinking 3 weeks on and don`t know how many off ?
25/25/25/50/50/50/75/75/75/100/100/100/75/75/75/50/50/50/25/25/25....
what u say about this cycle ? and how to take the pills ? tnks
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i speack with some ppl ..and all told me that tren isn`t good for newbies .. and they recomended clen +t3 to get lean .....
my cycle for clen +t3 ..
clen :2 weeks on , 2 weeks off....till i get to 8 weeks on and 7 weeks off right ?
day1: 20mcg
day2: 40mcg
day3: 60mcg
day4: 80mcg
day5: 80mcg
day6-12: 100mcg
day13: 80 mcg
day14: 60 mcg
and for tren : i was thinking 3 weeks on and don`t know how many off ?
25/25/25/50/50/50/75/75/75/100/100/100/75/75/75/50/50/50/25/25/25....
what u say about this cycle ? and how to take the pills ? tnks
i'm not really into any fatburners/stims unless absolutely necessary..and in this case they're not!
250mg test a week + 50mg tren a day for getting lean...when less than 10% bf up the test dose to 500-750mg a week, up calories by 500 a day, then just see how it goes and adjust if needed, 25mg adex a day if estro problems or 50mg masteron if wanna do it gh15 style :)
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u`r option sounds interesting. thanks for response..damn can`t decide ...
you may take in account that i lost from 120 kg to 74 ~ and up to 92~ and now i think i am at 86 87~ . and i`m predisposed at getting fat if i take test ...hmm
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Yeah bodyfat should be under 10%, you want to be lean so all the juice gets absorbed to the muscle rather than in fat, Test Prop,Tren A and Winstrol is a good stack, i would prefer injectable winny than oral winny ;)
gear does not get absorbed into the fat.
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u`r option sounds interesting. thanks for response..damn can`t decide ...
you may take in account that i lost from 120 kg to 74 ~ and up to 92~ and now i think i am at 86 87~ . and i`m predisposed at getting fat if i take test ...hmm
i guess it's more of an issue with water...keeping your estrogen in check, starting with low enough bodyfat and maybe reducing carbs a bit should do the trick...the second one is actually important, more of a mental sort of thing...bulking up absolutely sucks if you start at 15% bf and due to water retention need to be fucking careful with what you can can can not eat cos, trust me, nobody wants to look like a fat ass with 20+% bf belly hanging over your belt, even while bulking, and that's what 15% + tons of added water in most cases looks like
then again one reason why i don't like stims is that in many cases they do not eat only fat away from your body but muscle as well and often make you look flat as a pancake...some of them, thyroid hormones at least, can mess your hormonal system up more badly than any aas would ever do...3rd reason is, that if you ever wanna get truly lean, 6-% bf, it's a lot harder if you have already used all the "tools" earlier, there's no possibility to boost your supplement regime up anymore rather than upping the dose to ridiculous levels...well, gh and dnp ofc but that's a whole another story ;D
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gear does not get absorbed into the fat.
Yeah I'm not sure how this rumor ever got started. It's kind of like the one where people say if you stop training your muscle will turn into fat. That's like saying if you don't eat your orange it will turn into a banana.
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Yeah I'm not sure how this rumor ever got started. It's kind of like the one where people say if you stop training your muscle will turn into fat. That's like saying if you don't eat your orange it will turn into a banana.
I think what is meant is that if you are fat, you don't get the same out of the gear as if you're already lean.
One of the reasons should be that estrogenic side effects are more likely to happen when you're fat if i'm not totally mistaken. What's also obvious is that you can see results much better than when you're fat, although there is no "scientific" reason behind this and if the gear works or not.
This may be totally bro-science, but when i compare roid users in the gym, fat people just don't seem to get any results out of it.
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I think what is meant is that if you are fat, you don't get the same out of the gear as if you're already lean.
One of the reasons should be that estrogenic side effects are more likely to happen when you're fat if i'm not totally mistaken. What's also obvious is that you can see results much better than when you're fat, although there is no "scientific" reason behind this and if the gear works or not.
This may be totally bro-science, but when i compare roid users in the gym, fat people just don't seem to get any results out of it.
Well the progress made will be far more noticeable the leaner you are, no argument there. I mean if you take two genetically identical guys, put them on the same cycle, diet and training program yet one is fat and one is fairly lean to begin with the leaner guy will still look much better in the end. However, a lot of people forget gear dramatically alters your metabolism in a positive manner. For example, an overweight guy using gear while dieting will hold more lean tissue than a guy who is not using gear thereby creating a higher metabolic rate...not to mention some steroids have been shown to have a direct effect on adipose tissue.
When I say an "Overweight Guy" I'm not talking obese, I'm simply talking about a guy with a little more body fat than need be. Yes, if your body fat was extremely high and you started a cycle you may be at a greater risk of side-effects. There is a chance your estrogen levels are already higher than need be and you may have serious problems with blood pressure and cholesterol. However, for a guy in the 15%-20% range I see gear as a very helpful tool.
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This may be totally bro-science, but when i compare roid users in the gym, fat people just don't seem to get any results out of it.
true. i've witnessed this. two dudes on same gear. train together and everything. skinny dude turns into monster; fat dude just gets bloofier.