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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Arnold jr on May 28, 2011, 03:38:32 AM
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Testosterone:
It doesn't matter which ester, testosterone is testosterone, perfect for size, strength and tissue preservation. Further, one of the easiest steroids to control in-terms of complications and is generally very well-tolerated when used properly. Yes, it can cause bloat and Gyno but both are easy to control.
Trenbolone:
Nearly the perfect steroid in-terms of benefits, nearly every benefit that one would want from steroid use can be gained from Tren; size, strength, tissue preservation, increased vascularity, a harder physique and gains can largely be more permanent than with most other steroids. Acetate is easier to control and milligram for milligram more potent than other forms but in the end any Tren is better than no Tren.
Dianabol:
Milligram for milligram more potent than Anadrol and much easier to control and more of the gains made with Dbol are actual tissue rather than water. Perfect for strength and size and excellent addition when needing to push over a plateau when on cycle.
Nandrolone:
One of the best size builders of all time and excellent therapeutic benefits when dieting. Very slow acting but gains will be steady and even through duration of use. Very easy anabolic to control and very side-effect friendly when used properly.
Stanozolol:
Not much in-terms of size benefits, in-fact it's pretty useless for this purpose. For strength gains and athletic performance it is nearly perfect and in bodybuilding when added in almost as a supplement to your supplemental steroid use while dieting will give a harder more defined physique.
In truth, for the bodybuilder these could easily be the only steroids ever needed. Trenbolone could easily be number one on this list but because testosterone is so important and so much easier to control for most it is number one; however, in many ways Tren may indeed be the perfect steroid.
Keep in mind these are only the "Best Steroids" when they're used the right way.
This is the list....disagree? Well, you shouldn't, this is truth but go ahead, let's hear some opinions :)
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Nice list, maybe you could also add some dosing ranges?
I think it's easy to look up, but i would like to hear your opinion.
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Nice list, maybe you could also add some dosing ranges?
I think it's easy to look up, but i would like to hear your opinion.
It largely depends on the guy and what he's trying to do...pretty hard to give a cut and dry answer but I'll give some basic ranges as best I can.
Testosterone:
Anything less than 200mg per wk is a waste of testosterone. Most gym rats will rarely need more than 500mg per wk with guys of a competitive nature easily tolerating doses of the 1g per wk range. Higher is often needed for the more advanced but the risk to reward ratio goes up tremendously with these doses.
Trenbolone:
Basing it off the Acetate form, 50mg/eod is generally perfect for most with 100mg/eod being the max for the average local level bodybuilder. 100mg/ed can be used but can be pretty harsh on a lot of guys. Generally a good bodybuilder can run eod doses and bump up to ed doses of 100mg the last few wks of a diet and see all the benefits they'd want.
Dianabol:
30mg/ed is perfect for the beginner but 50mg is very well-tolerated by most but most never go much past 30mg out of misplaced fear. 100mg of Dbol is a bit much for most and largely unnecessary as 50-60mg is generally perfect. However, for the guy just wanting a little bump as little as 20mg will give it to him.
Nandrolone:
For therapeutic benefits all can be obtained with 100mg per wk. 200mg per wk will generally give you a decent anabolic boost with 400mg being perfect for most guys and 600mg being the most anyone really ever needs.
Stanozolol:
50mg/eod is perfect for the average gym rat or performance athlete with 50mg/ed being more of the standard bodybuilding dose and 100mg/ed being fantastic for final wk prep during bodybuilding competition.
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Thanks a lot.
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I would take away stanozolol from the list. Just me.
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I would take away stanozolol from the list. Just me.
Me too, i would replace it with Turinabol. The steroid that MADE east-german athletes.
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What do you think about using Tren and Deca at the same time ?
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What do you think about using Tren and Deca at the same time ?
you have to ,,this is prime combo trenbolona ace and nppiona,,this is prime prime combo in growing lean ,,high doses testosterona into the grams ,, trenbolona ace and nppiona an ofcourse hgh to not waste the high doses of the testosterona ,,you have no gh ? there is no need for high dose testosterona
gh15 approved
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the top 5 specific ones are
testosterona,,
trenbolona ACE,,,enanthate is too long and wont hit as well ,,waste of time with enanthate ,,the ace is what we use ,,we need lots of it and fast,, in and out
nppiona,, this is nandrolone with shorter ester attached to it,,very very good since it work fast and pretty much the prefered route with nandrolona among competitors
masterona ,, best anti estrogen ever made,,it will take a physiqe that is most sensetive to estogen and let it have the ability to take 2 gram testosterona with gh with no estrogen related problems,, you ask how profesional have flat nips right? M A S T E R O N A ...you didnt hear this from me though:) some the bitch tits no matter what due to other reasons mainly there lack of experience with anti estrogen during the newbe phase of bodybuilding,,
dianabolona,, if you are lean enough you will blow up on this drug and with the right combo of injectable you will transform the physiqe,,again you need to be LEAN when starting it
gh15 approved
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im 50 50 with winstrol.... but 100% with everything else, u realy dont need much else than test/decca/tren/dbol....
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you do have to have gh if you ever want ot use high doses of test and dont look like shit,,gh is must when doses go high ,,absolit must,,
gh15 approved
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im 50 50 with winstrol.... but 100% with everything else, u realy dont need much else than test/decca/tren/dbol....
winstrol = GARBAGE.
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What happened to Equipona?
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winstrol = GARBAGE.
In terms of mass and size you're right, in that regard it's worthless. Winstrol makes the list for two specific reasons. First, it's a perfect steroid for most athletes who are looking for a decent anabolic bump, one that won't raise a lot of suspicion and one that is fast acting and fast clearing. It's also a great addition to a bodybuilding contest stack at the end of a diet, especially when joined with Tren.
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What happened to Equipona?
Equipoise isn't a bad steroid, it's simply not as effective as the others mentioned.
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winny tabs had my liver values all over the place.
when using tren, do you run ai or nolva as you would for test or is cabergoline(?) better?
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winny tabs had my liver values all over the place.
when using tren, do you run ai or nolva as you would for test or is cabergoline(?) better?
I've always preferred AI's over SERM's while on cycle, even with Tren. Plus, if I were running Tren I'd be running testosterone as well, so an AI would be used anyway.
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I would take away stanozolol from the list. Just me.
same here
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Does nobody like Anadrol? i love it, not so much for size gains but for increased strength and stamina in he gym, stack it with a good muscle builder like Deca and it works great, helps you lift heavy for more reps allowing the Deca to build up the lean tissue
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Does nobody like Anadrol? i love it, not so much for size gains but for increased strength and stamina in he gym, stack it with a good muscle builder like Deca and it works great, helps you lift heavy for more reps allowing the Deca to build up the lean tissue
i LOVE drol,and just like you i stacked Deca+Drol...i absolutely agree on the increased strength and stamina in the gym..i also didnt have any side with drol that everyone talks about...
they keep saying that mg x mg dbol is stronger than drol;but personally i prefer drol..i went up to 90mg a day of dbol and i didnt see any improvement over taking 60mgs x day...100mgs x day of drol did it right for me..
of course,this is my personal experience
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the reason winstrol is nto a good drug is due to the way it dries you and take away from the volume of the physiqe,,all the fellas who use winstrol and give it as excuse are always on hgh ,,and hgh give a direct reaction to winstrol by keeping the physiqe volumized espcialy in the dels,,if you are only on aas and you use winstrol you will feel sorry later on because it kills your joints ,,it gets you weaker,,it may get you little drier but masteron will do all this with out winstrol bad sides of taking away your power and getting you to look stiff! ,,masteron in ghier doses will also get you to look stiff so be carefull with that but its for diferent reasons,,
generaly speaking winstrol should be avoided by any means unless hgh is in too not only nppiona but also gh ,,masterona and trenbolona is much much better than winstrol and trenbolona ,,and the need for ai and ae when use masterona is none,, some fellas ar every very sensetive but truly speaking if you dont inject masterona and immidiatly see hardening and flatening of estrogenic effect or no change in increaing estrogenic sides eventhough you go very high on aromatze hormones...if you go on masterona and dont see what i wrote above then your masterona is bunk or you were born a female,,
gh15 approved
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i LOVE drol,and just like you i stacked Deca+Drol...i absolutely agree on the increased strength and stamina in the gym..i also didnt have any side with drol that everyone talks about...
they keep saying that mg x mg dbol is stronger than drol;but personally i prefer drol..i went up to 90mg a day of dbol and i didnt see any improvement over taking 60mgs x day...100mgs x day of drol did it right for me..
of course,this is my personal experience
Dbol worked well for me but i agree with you 100mg didnt do better than 60mg, what i like about Anadrol is the boost it gives to training, gives a good pump, increase strength fast, lubes the joints with the water retention so when you are training heavy and want to push yourself its great, i dont care about size gains from it, for size ill use Deca,Test,Tren etc but Anadrol is a great addition for an 8 week bulker where you want to lift heavy to build stenghth and get a bit more thickness to the physique :)
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the reason winstrol is nto a good drug is due to the way it dries you and take away from the volume of the physiqe,,all the fellas who use winstrol and give it as excuse are always on hgh ,,and hgh give a direct reaction to winstrol by keeping the physiqe volumized espcialy in the dels,,if you are only on aas and you use winstrol you will feel sorry later on because it kills your joints ,,it gets you weaker,,it may get you little drier but masteron will do all this with out winstrol bad sides of taking away your power and getting you to look stiff! ,,masteron in ghier doses will also get you to look stiff so be carefull with that but its for diferent reasons,,
generaly speaking winstrol should be avoided by any means unless hgh is in too not only nppiona but also gh ,,masterona and trenbolona is much much better than winstrol and trenbolona ,,and the need for ai and ae when use masterona is none,, some fellas ar every very sensetive but truly speaking if you dont inject masterona and immidiatly see hardening and flatening of estrogenic effect or no change in increaing estrogenic sides eventhough you go very high on aromatze hormones...if you go on masterona and dont see what i wrote above then your masterona is bunk or you were born a female,,
gh15 approved
This is what ive noticed, Winstrol gets you dry and hard but flattens some people out, the muscle is hard but flat, its ok look for impressining local sluts and the twinks at the beach but for competative bodybuild thats the last thing you need, a dry but flat muscles, masterona is far superior
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This is what ive noticed, Winstrol gets you dry and hard but flattens some people out, the muscle is hard but flat, its ok look for impressining local sluts and the twinks at the beach but for competative bodybuild thats the last thing you need, a dry but flat muscles, masterona is far superior
Regarding Winstrol and an actual bodybuilding prep:
You can take 100mg of winny every day and as long as there's enough testosterone in your system and have a proper final wks prep you won't be flat. The problem is most have no idea how to prep, especially the last 10-14 days. Most overdo it.
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although i like the dryness winny gives you,it definitely kills my joints...havent done much competition, so i dont know how to prepare properly with winstrol but from what i have experienced,i ll stay away from it if i can, even for contest prep..
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Anavar is often thought to be similar to/interchangeable with Winstrol and IME Anavar is superior. It's similar to Win in that it doesn't blow you up but increases performance - the effect is greater IME (more strength). I've tried both Winstrol and Anavar by themselves so can evaluate it without confusing it with the effects from the rest of a typical stack. Haven't tried OT but should be good and there's actual doping data on this drug, probably the most doping/performance enhancing data out of any other steroid apart from Dianabol (the old DDR files). Was extremely effective, especially in females. Why they chose this particular steroid as the oral of choice I don't know.
Someone mentioned on professionalmuscle that Anavar is the pre-contest oral of choice right now among some of the top pros. Don't know if it's true.
I love Anadrol but just recently saw 2 guys use legit Anadrol and they thought they were eating sugar pills basically. These guys switched from Dianabol only at 30-40mg to Anadrol 50-100mg and thought it sucked compared to the dbol. No additional weight gain or strength, "what the fuck, I read on the internet that this is the strongest oral drug there is" :D Strange drug, not everyone responds well to it IRL although they should. Out of all the studies on HIV patients etc it's been the most potent steroid out of all the ones tested for muscle wasting. ???
Me, I can take it for a day or two and waking up in the morning and closing my fist hard I can just feel the increased strength. Doesn't really blow you up like dbol but people usually comment that you look thicker on it even if you yourself don't notice it.
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Anavar is often thought to be similar to/interchangeable with Winstrol and IME Anavar is superior. It's similar to Win in that it doesn't blow you up but increases performance - the effect is greater IME (more strength). I've tried both Winstrol and Anavar by themselves so can evaluate it without confusing it with the effects from the rest of a typical stack. Haven't tried OT but should be good and there's actual doping data on this drug, probably the most doping/performance enhancing data out of any other steroid apart from Dianabol (the old DDR files). Was extremely effective, especially in females. Why they chose this particular steroid as the oral of choice I don't know.
Someone mentioned on professionalmuscle that Anavar is the pre-contest oral of choice right now among some of the top pros. Don't know if it's true.
I love Anadrol but just recently saw 2 guys use legit Anadrol and they thought they were eating sugar pills basically. These guys switched from Dianabol only at 30-40mg to Anadrol 50-100mg and thought it sucked compared to the dbol. No additional weight gain or strength, "what the fuck, I read on the internet that this is the strongest oral drug there is" :D Strange drug, not everyone responds well to it IRL although they should. Out of all the studies on HIV patients etc it's been the most potent steroid out of all the ones tested for muscle wasting. ???
Me, I can take it for a day or two and waking up in the morning and closing my fist hard I can just feel the increased strength. Doesn't really blow you up like dbol but people usually comment that you look thicker on it even if you yourself don't notice it.
Simple, because it was undetectable at the time, clears the system very fast, in a few days.
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Great thread I'm giving masterona a go as soon as I get it in this week. Im gonna run it with a high dose of test.
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Simple, because it was undetectable at the time, clears the system very fast, in a few days.
Yes but it was used in the off-season as well when there was no out of competition testing.
I remember that even around 1990 I was told by competitive powerlitfters that they passed tests
after having dropped dbol only 10-14 days out.
Oral-Turinabol, the androgenic-anabolic steroid produced by the state-owned pharmaceutical company, VEB Jenapharm (Jena, Thuringia, GDR), was the compound most frequently used.
This steroid, a chlor-substituted version of methandrostenolone, had been introduced for clinical use in 1965 (49); by 1966, it was already being abused and administered to male athletes in the GDR sports system to enhance muscle strength, aggressiveness, and performance. At that time, androgenic steroids were already in widespread use among athletes proficient in muscle strength-dependent events in many countries, notably the US (see, e.g., refs.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/43/7/1262
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I'll give you my favorite obscure compounds I love to use from time to time just as a pleasant addition to the thread for some more friendly talk;
1. Halotestin
2. Mibolerone
3. Methyltest
4. Methyltrienolone
5. Trestolone Acetate
Now if I was going per AJ's topic on favorite anabolics I'd say something like this;
1. Furazabol
2. Anavar
3. Primobolan
4. Turinabol
5. Testosterone (since this is the model they rate an anabolic on)
Now to my favorites in order;
1. Testosterone (Enanthate, Cypionate, Decanoate or TNE)
2. Masteron
3. Equipoise
4. NPP (not Deca!!!!)
5. Anavar
Now to my least favorites;
1. Anadrol
2. Trenbolone
3. THG
4. Sustanon/propionate or any water based compound
5. Methandriol Di-propionate
If there were a sixth slot it would go to either EQ2 or a designer compound I made around 10 years ago. Never named it so I'll just call it a ""..mistake"
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Yes but it was used in the off-season as well when there was no out of competition testing.
I remember that even around 1990 I was told by competitive powerlitfters that they passed tests
after having dropped dbol only 10-14 days out.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/43/7/1262
mmm, maybe they just wanted to be special?? LOL.
Seriously though, the stuff was used a lot by females, and basically the GDR invented it and produced it, i think they just thought of the competitive edge they could have with something that was virtually unknown for a long time, if i remember it right.
It doesn't give you the typical "steroid look", and it's not very androgenic (at least not in low doses for women), and it was VERY successful for the GDR for a long time.
This with the addition of tons of studies on the use of it in sports makes it a great steroids IMO.
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Anavar is often thought to be similar to/interchangeable with Winstrol and IME Anavar is superior. It's similar to Win in that it doesn't blow you up but increases performance - the effect is greater IME (more strength). I've tried both Winstrol and Anavar by themselves so can evaluate it without confusing it with the effects from the rest of a typical stack. Haven't tried OT but should be good and there's actual doping data on this drug, probably the most doping/performance enhancing data out of any other steroid apart from Dianabol (the old DDR files). Was extremely effective, especially in females. Why they chose this particular steroid as the oral of choice I don't know.
Someone mentioned on professionalmuscle that Anavar is the pre-contest oral of choice right now among some of the top pros. Don't know if it's true.
I love Anadrol but just recently saw 2 guys use legit Anadrol and they thought they were eating sugar pills basically. These guys switched from Dianabol only at 30-40mg to Anadrol 50-100mg and thought it sucked compared to the dbol. No additional weight gain or strength, "what the fuck, I read on the internet that this is the strongest oral drug there is" :D Strange drug, not everyone responds well to it IRL although they should. Out of all the studies on HIV patients etc it's been the most potent steroid out of all the ones tested for muscle wasting. ???
Me, I can take it for a day or two and waking up in the morning and closing my fist hard I can just feel the increased strength. Doesn't really blow you up like dbol but people usually comment that you look thicker on it even if you yourself don't notice it.
I recall reading a study on anadrol that 150mg was no more effective than 100mg for weight gain and anything immediately over 100mg became liver toxic. Yet, the reccomended dose for a 100kg male is like 400mg ::) I know anadrol is one of those steroids where the dose response curve flattens rather quickly though. Have you found this to be true in your experience with the compound? Very unique steroid it seems. could one of the reasons that some don't respond to it be that it has the lowest binding to the androgen receptor of any compound?
I just started 100mg legit anapolon the other day and I can already feel some changes. I have been cruising for a few weeks and my strength always dips.. 100mg drol now it's catching back up. Really hoping I respond well to it, if I do it will be my go-to compound...considering getting legit anapolon is one of the easier human grade products to get these days. That and Irani test only human grade products I would bother with..
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Does nobody like Anadrol? i love it, not so much for size gains but for increased strength and stamina in he gym, stack it with a good muscle builder like Deca and it works great, helps you lift heavy for more reps allowing the Deca to build up the lean tissue
good thread. Arnold Jr. really knows his stuff and is one of the better posters here. whitewidow is not bad people I just think he likes fucking with some of you guys, I don't think he takes this sight that seriously....uses it for entertainment, how it should be ;)
Schmoe that's interesting what you say about anadrol. Stuff makes me strong as shit, fuller, but doesn't blow you up like dbol on it's own. It just doesn't give you the look that most steroids give. even Dbol on it's own give you that look.
I have used legit pharm grade anadrol now at 50mg-200mg for months on end, twice now. Hardly the best mass builder like many people claim it is. I just got me another 4 boxes of it for a bulking cycle but I'm gonna save it for when I diet down now that I think about it. I was loosing my hair on it too..and fast.
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Great thread, I got many of my questions answered just by reading.
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what about super drol
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good thread. Arnold Jr. really knows his stuff and is one of the better posters here. whitewidow is not bad people I just think he likes fucking with some of you guys, I don't think he takes this sight that seriously....uses it for entertainment, how it should be ;)
Schmoe that's interesting what you say about anadrol. Stuff makes me strong as shit, fuller, but doesn't blow you up like dbol on it's own. It just doesn't give you the look that most steroids give. even Dbol on it's own give you that look.
I have used legit pharm grade anadrol now at 50mg-200mg for months on end, twice now. Hardly the best mass builder like many people claim it is. I just got me another 4 boxes of it for a bulking cycle but I'm gonna save it for when I diet down now that I think about it. I was loosing my hair on it too..and fast.
What do you like most about drol?
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good thread. Arnold Jr. really knows his stuff and is one of the better posters here. whitewidow is not bad people I just think he likes fucking with some of you guys, I don't think he takes this sight that seriously....uses it for entertainment, how it should be ;)
Schmoe that's interesting what you say about anadrol. Stuff makes me strong as shit, fuller, but doesn't blow you up like dbol on it's own. It just doesn't give you the look that most steroids give. even Dbol on it's own give you that look.
I have used legit pharm grade anadrol now at 50mg-200mg for months on end, twice now. Hardly the best mass builder like many people claim it is. I just got me another 4 boxes of it for a bulking cycle but I'm gonna save it for when I diet down now that I think about it. I was loosing my hair on it too..and fast.
What made you go as high as 200mg with anadrol?
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What do you like most about drol?
It's my favorite compound. It leans you out, keeps you full, and you will gain strength no matter what the fuck you eat. .l. I think one reason why guys don't get shit out of it is they play with low doses. 150-200mg is where the magic happens, and this was human grade turkish anapolon, no wonder these guys get shit out of these ugl labs when they play with 75mg a day.... but the sides were harsh. I was loosing my hair by the day and I'm not even predisposed to hair loss. If you value your hair don't touch it with a ten foot pole, I'm saving it for when I really need it like when I'm dieting down and need to keep as much muscle as possible and keep my strength up
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Testosterone:
It doesn't matter which ester, testosterone is testosterone, perfect for size, strength and tissue preservation. Further, one of the easiest steroids to control in-terms of complications and is generally very well-tolerated when used properly. Yes, it can cause bloat and Gyno but both are easy to control.
Trenbolone:
Nearly the perfect steroid in-terms of benefits, nearly every benefit that one would want from steroid use can be gained from Tren; size, strength, tissue preservation, increased vascularity, a harder physique and gains can largely be more permanent than with most other steroids. Acetate is easier to control and milligram for milligram more potent than other forms but in the end any Tren is better than no Tren.
Dianabol:
Milligram for milligram more potent than Anadrol and much easier to control and more of the gains made with Dbol are actual tissue rather than water. Perfect for strength and size and excellent addition when needing to push over a plateau when on cycle.
Nandrolone:
One of the best size builders of all time and excellent therapeutic benefits when dieting. Very slow acting but gains will be steady and even through duration of use. Very easy anabolic to control and very side-effect friendly when used properly.
Stanozolol:
Not much in-terms of size benefits, in-fact it's pretty useless for this purpose. For strength gains and athletic performance it is nearly perfect and in bodybuilding when added in almost as a supplement to your supplemental steroid use while dieting will give a harder more defined physique.
In truth, for the bodybuilder these could easily be the only steroids ever needed. Trenbolone could easily be number one on this list but because testosterone is so important and so much easier to control for most it is number one; however, in many ways Tren may indeed be the perfect steroid.
Keep in mind these are only the "Best Steroids" when they're used the right way.
This is the list....disagree? Well, you shouldn't, this is truth but go ahead, let's hear some opinions :)
Is there an oral equivilant of tren ? what another oral that would deliver benifits similar to tren ( maybe not as powerful as injection)?
thanks
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good list but bshould have drol on it,best oral ever,there are certian anabolics that really bring a change to the physique,anadrol is top of list for orals and it does different things than dbol does.cycle that makes biggest difference is test,round 500mg,deca tren and anadrol.without adding hgh this is best cycle for dramatic change.
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good list but bshould have drol on it,best oral ever,there are certian anabolics that really bring a change to the physique,anadrol is top of list for orals and it does different things than dbol does.cycle that makes biggest difference is test,round 500mg,deca tren and anadrol.without adding hgh this is best cycle for dramatic change.
word...I really think the whole don't stack dbol and anadrol thing is a bunch of bullshit. Completely different drugs, I got human grade anapolon if I could get my hands on some human grade dbol I'd be the happiest man alive.
anadrol-blows you up from within
dbol-blows you up from without
best way to descrive it hope it makes sense. I will say if I had to run one by itself it would be dbol hands down. Lots of muscular guys built on dbol only, cant say taht about anadrol.