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Don't like this at all. He shouldn't be putting this on blast like this. At least not without consequences.
Jilted Ex-Boyfriend's Abortion Billboard Ignites Free Speech Debate
Published June 07, 2011
Associated Press
ALAMOGORDO, N.M.-- A New Mexico man's decision to lash out with a billboard ad saying his ex-girlfriend had an abortion against his wishes has touched off a legal debate over free speech and privacy rights.
The sign on Alamogordo's main thoroughfare shows 35-year-old Greg Fultz holding the outline of an infant. The text reads, "This Would Have Been A Picture Of My 2-Month Old Baby If The Mother Had Decided To Not KILL Our Child!"
Fultz's ex-girlfriend has taken him to court for harassment and violation of privacy. A domestic court official has recommended the billboard be removed.
But Fultz's attorney argues the order violates his client's free speech rights.
"As distasteful and offensive as the sign may be to some, for over 200 years in this country the First Amendment protects distasteful and offensive speech," Todd Holmes said.
The woman's friends say she had a miscarriage, not an abortion, according to a report in the Albuquerque Journal.
Holmes disputes that, saying his case is based on the accuracy of his client's statement.
"My argument is: What Fultz said is the truth," Holmes said.
The woman's lawyer said she had not discussed the pregnancy with her client. But for Ellen Jessen, whether her client had a miscarriage or an abortion is not the point. The central issue is her client's privacy and the fact that the billboard has caused severe emotional distress, Jessen said.
"Her private life is not a matter of public interest," she told the Alamogordo Daily News.
Jessen says her client's ex-boyfriend has crossed the line.
"Nobody is stopping him from talking about father's rights. ... but a person can't invade someone's private life."
For his part, Holmes said that during a domestic court hearing last week he pointed to the U.S. Supreme Court decision earlier this year concerning the Westboro Baptist Church, which is known for demonstration signs and slogans that include anti-gay slurs.
"Very unpopular offensive speech," he told the Alamogordo Daily News. "The Supreme Court, in an 8 to 1 decision, said that is protected speech."
Holmes says he is going to fight the order to remove the billboard through a District Court appeal.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/07/jilted-ex-boyfriend-puts-up-abortion-billboard/?test=latestnews
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Hmmm if it's true it's not necessarily libel but i do not like the precedent it sets
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Hmmm if it's true it's not necessarily libel but i do not like the precedent it sets
I think this is the real issue:
The woman's lawyer said she had not discussed the pregnancy with her client. But for Ellen Jessen, whether her client had a miscarriage or an abortion is not the point. The central issue is her client's privacy and the fact that the billboard has caused severe emotional distress, Jessen said.
"Her private life is not a matter of public interest," she told the Alamogordo Daily News.
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Her private life is also his private life right?
He can talk about his private life all he wants to can't he?
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Her private life is also his private life right?
He can talk about his private life all he wants to can't he?
That sets a standard whereby any jilted ex-lover can release explicit details about the other and claim it was their private life too so they can release it.
If someone wants to release their own details that's fine, but when it's someone's name or details you just can not allow that.
By your thinking, we'll all be signing no-disclosure contracts before getting into a relationship or intimacy.
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That sets a standard whereby any jilted ex-lover can release explicit details about the other and claim it was their private life too so they can release it.
If someone wants to release their own details that's fine, but when it's someone's name or details you just can not allow that.
By your thinking, we'll all be signing no-disclosure contracts before getting into a relationship or intimacy.
Agree. :o
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KC... I actually don't agree with it... I was just mentioning that little tidbit.
It's like when you get a divorce... anything and everything is fair game, and usually court documents aren't sealed. So maybe you should get a non-disclosure agreement before you get married.
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Dont care...the laws in regards to parental rights and abortion are so one sided is not even funny
if this is the only thing women have to deal with for having the sole discretion of whether or not to kill a mans child then I say they got off easy as shit.
are we going to start allowing ppl to sue for bad mouthing ex's to their friends?
in order to succesfully sue you have to prove damages, what are her damages?
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That sets a standard whereby any jilted ex-lover can release explicit details about the other and claim it was their private life too so they can release it.
If someone wants to release their own details that's fine, but when it's someone's name or details you just can not allow that.
By your thinking, we'll all be signing no-disclosure contracts before getting into a relationship or intimacy.
So where do you draw the line on what constitutes "explicit details"?
This seems fine to me.
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So where do you draw the line on what constitutes "explicit details"?
This seems fine to me.
I'd draw the line at something that ordinarily wouldn't be public information.
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I'd draw the line at something that ordinarily wouldn't be public information.
what do you consider public beach?
is telling your friends info public?
what if this was common knowledge among their friends and family?
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what do you consider public beach?
is telling your friends info public?
what if this was common knowledge among their friends and family?
I don't think sharing intimate details of your life with friends and family makes the info public. Sorta depends on what the info is and how it is shared.
I doubt the fact a woman has an abortion is information that she normally tells the world about.
Even if it becomes common knowledge, I don't think it's appropriate to try and publicly humiliate someone.
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I don't think sharing intimate details of your life with friends and family makes the info public. Sorta depends on what the info is and how it is shared.
I doubt the fact a woman has an abortion is information that she normally tells the world about.
Even if it becomes common knowledge, I don't think it's appropriate to try and publicly humiliate someone.
I agree this wasnt the right thing to do, but again what do we define as public info?
it has to be definable
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I agree this wasnt the right thing to do, but again what do we define as public info?
it has to be definable
Sort of circular, but I think public information is info you normally share with the public. Let's just take the abortion issue in this story. Don't you think the fact a woman had an abortion is not something she normally shares with the public?
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Sort of circular, but I think public information is info you normally share with the public. Let's just take the abortion issue in this story. Don't you think the fact a woman had an abortion is not something she normally shares with the public?
depends on what you define as public bro, if its friends then yes...if its the entire world then probably not but then again everyones definition of public is different.
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Terrible thing he did. Glad the judge made the right call. :-\
Judge Tells Ex-Boyfriend to Remove Abortion Billboard
Published June 23, 2011
Associated Press
Abortion Billboard_DeMa.jpg
(http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/Sept/396/223/Abortion%20Billboard_DeMa.jpg)
AP Photo/Alamogordo Daily News
FILE: A New Mexico man was ordered by a judge to take down a billboard that implies his ex-girlfriend had an abortion.
ALMOGORDO, N.M. – A state district judge Thursday ordered an Alamogordo man to immediately take down a billboard that implies his ex-girlfriend had an abortion.
State District Judge James Counts issued the ruling as part of protective order the woman sought after Greg Fultz, 35, took out the sign on the city's main thoroughfare in mid-May.
The billboard shows Fultz holding the outline of an infant. The text reads, "This Would Have Been A Picture Of My 2-Month Old Baby If The Mother Had Decided To Not KILL Our Child!"
Fultz's ex-girlfriend has taken him to court for harassment and violation of privacy. A domestic court official had recommended the billboard be removed.
But Fultz's attorney said his client is adamant about protecting his free speech rights and will appeal.
"He said he is prepared to go to jail for this," attorney Todd Holmes said.
"His position is that this billboard is not really about her. It's about his statement of fathers' rights."
It was unclear if the woman had an abortion or a miscarriage.
Her attorney, Ellen Jessen, said earlier this month that she has not discussed the pregnancy with her client because that was not the point. The central issue is her client's privacy and the fact that the billboard has caused severe emotional distress, she said.
Jessen didn't immediately respond Thursday to a call and email seeking comment.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/23/judge-tells-boyfriend-to-remove-abortion-billboard/?test=latestnews
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Terrible thing he did. Glad the judge made the right call. :-\
Judge Tells Ex-Boyfriend to Remove Abortion Billboard
Published June 23, 2011
Associated Press
Abortion Billboard_DeMa.jpg
(http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/Sept/396/223/Abortion%20Billboard_DeMa.jpg)
AP Photo/Alamogordo Daily News
FILE: A New Mexico man was ordered by a judge to take down a billboard that implies his ex-girlfriend had an abortion.
ALMOGORDO, N.M. – A state district judge Thursday ordered an Alamogordo man to immediately take down a billboard that implies his ex-girlfriend had an abortion.
State District Judge James Counts issued the ruling as part of protective order the woman sought after Greg Fultz, 35, took out the sign on the city's main thoroughfare in mid-May.
The billboard shows Fultz holding the outline of an infant. The text reads, "This Would Have Been A Picture Of My 2-Month Old Baby If The Mother Had Decided To Not KILL Our Child!"
Fultz's ex-girlfriend has taken him to court for harassment and violation of privacy. A domestic court official had recommended the billboard be removed.
But Fultz's attorney said his client is adamant about protecting his free speech rights and will appeal.
"He said he is prepared to go to jail for this," attorney Todd Holmes said.
"His position is that this billboard is not really about her. It's about his statement of fathers' rights."
It was unclear if the woman had an abortion or a miscarriage.
Her attorney, Ellen Jessen, said earlier this month that she has not discussed the pregnancy with her client because that was not the point. The central issue is her client's privacy and the fact that the billboard has caused severe emotional distress, she said.
Jessen didn't immediately respond Thursday to a call and email seeking comment.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/23/judge-tells-boyfriend-to-remove-abortion-billboard/?test=latestnews
Damn, she had to go into court and admit she fucked that guy? HA
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Damn, she had to go into court and admit she fucked that guy? HA
Haven't seen her picture. She might look just like him.
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that dude just guaranteed he'll never get laid in that town again
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terrible thing she did as well but the courts are a-ok with that...sad situation all around...
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terrible thing she did as well but the courts are a-ok with that...sad situation all around...
if that fat tub wants a kid then all he has to do is find some woman who actually wants to have his child
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if that fat tub wants a kid then all he has to do is find some woman who actually wants to have his child
Maybe he did. The chick must have liked him enough to fuck him.
Maybe they talked originally and she was ok with it. Then he up and aborted it anyway... In this bullshit society a man has zero rights to anything related to parenting except the right to have to pay if SHE chooses for him to.
Men are completely fucked.
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Maybe he did. The chick must have liked him enough to fuck him.
Maybe they talked originally and she was ok with it. Then he up and aborted it anyway... In this bullshit society a man has zero rights to anything related to parenting except the right to have to pay if SHE chooses for him to.
Men are completely fucked.
lol
yeah everyone know woman have all the advantages in our busllshit society
poor fella just wanted to have a baby
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if that fat tub wants a kid then all he has to do is find some woman who actually wants to have his child
right........
there is a 99.99% chance they had chance without protection knowing that, SEX WITHOUT PROTECTION LEADS TO PREGNANCY...
sounds like she was ok with getting pregnant at the time...;)
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right........
there is a 99.99% chance they had chance without protection knowing that, SEX WITHOUT PROTECTION LEADS TO PREGNANCY...
sounds like she was ok with getting pregnant at the time...;)
LoL at you pulling odds out of your ass
tubby should find a woman and get married and then have a kid
that's how it's usually done
btw - I think there is a 99.99% chance this guy is a loser and probably a possessive weirdo and when this chick figured out what a moron he was she wanted nothing to do with him or his retarded spawn
she should be given a award for being a great american and not adding another dumbfounded dipshit to our population
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Maybe he did. The chick must have liked him enough to fuck him.
Maybe they talked originally and she was ok with it. Then he up and aborted it anyway... In this bullshit society a man has zero rights to anything related to parenting except the right to have to pay if SHE chooses for him to.
Men are completely fucked.
::)
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right........
there is a 99.99% chance they had chance without protection knowing that, SEX WITHOUT PROTECTION LEADS TO PREGNANCY...
sounds like she was ok with getting pregnant at the time...;)
Sex with protection leads to pregnancy too.
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LoL at you pulling odds out of your ass
tubby should find a woman and get married and then have a kid
that's how it's usually done
btw - I think there is a 99.99% chance this guy is a loser and probably a possessive weirdo and when this chick figured out what a moron he was she wanted nothing to do with him or his retarded spawn
she should be given a award for being a great american and not adding another dumbfounded dipshit to our population
LOL let me explain something to you sir pregnancy prevention techiniques are 99.99% effective that means that there is a .01% chance that they had sex with protection and still got pregnant....
DIDNT MAKE ANYTHING UP THERE BRAIN CHILD!!!!
again there is a 99.99% chance she had sex without protection and if she did that then she was ok with the possibility of getting pregnant...
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Sex with protection leads to pregnancy too.
youre right .01% of the time....
99.99% of the rest it prevents pregnancy ;)
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LOL let me explain something to you sir pregnancy prevention techiniques are 99.99% effective that means that there is a .01% chance that they had sex with protection and still got pregnant....
DIDNT MAKE ANYTHING UP THERE BRAIN CHILD!!!!
again there is a 99.99% chance she had sex without protection and if she did that then she was ok with the possibility of getting pregnant...
good job addressing me as sir
now go complain to someone who actually gives a shit about your opinion
maybe you should call tubby and you two doofuses can go on a double date
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good job addressing me as sir
now go complain to someone who actually gives a shit about your opinion
maybe you should call tubby and you two doofuses can go on a double date
LOL way to skip over the fact where I made you look like a fool...
LOL "pulling odds out of my ass"...my ass LOL idiot
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LOL way to skip over the fact where I made you look like a fool...
LOL "pulling odds out of my ass"...my ass LOL idiot
just ignoring your idiocy
We've already been down this path before and I'm not interested in 10-20 pages of your tortured circular reasoning
just in case it's not clear
I'm all for abortion
the more the better as far as I'm concerned
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^^^
LOL says the guy who thinks the post office is doing fine, doesnt know what hypocrite means...the list goes on and on with straw mans hit list of idiocy bro...
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LOL says the guy who thinks the post office is doing fine, doesnt know what hypocrite means...the list goes on and on with straw mans hit list of idiocy bro...
dude - there is not even one form of contraceptive is that 99.99% effective
I thought you would have figured that out by now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_birth_control_methods
I couldn't give less of a shit if this woman told tubby she wanted to have his kid and then changed her mind
It's her body so it's her choice
end of discussion
you can keep bellyaching all night if you want
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youre right .01% of the time....
99.99% of the rest it prevents pregnancy ;)
Pretty big overstatement tony. And not just because two of my kids were conceived while my wife was on birth control. :)
Condoms aren't anywhere near 99.99 percent effective. The pill, etc. are pretty effective, but none of them prevent pregnacy 99.99 percent of the time. That's why consensual sex is a willful decision to possibly make a baby, whether you use contraception or not (because it doesn't always work).
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LMFAO i apologize 99% effective...so there is a 1% chance ;)
lol it is her body and if she wants the sole choice she and she alone should deal with it....
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Pretty big overstatement tony. And not just because two of my kids were conceived while my wife was on birth control. :)
Condoms aren't anywhere near 99.99 percent effective. The pill, etc. are pretty effective, but none of them prevent pregnacy 99.99 percent of the time. That's why consensual sex is a willful decision to possibly make a baby, whether you use contraception or not (because it doesn't always work).
it happens, the vast vast vast majority of the time contraceptives work as designed though
I agree with on the agreement on sex is being ok with possibly producing a child though.
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it happens, the vast vast vast majority of the time contraceptives work as designed though
I agree with on the agreement on sex is being ok with possibly producing a child though.
You were actually close regarding depo provera. It was supposedly 99.7 percent effective when my wife was taking it. Upjohn (sp?) tracked her after her pregnancy because it was such a statistical anomaly.
But condoms? They have a very high failure rate. I've read 15 percent or higher. Others (outside of the pill and the shot) can be as high as 40 percent.
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You were actually close regarding depo provera. It was supposedly 99.7 percent effective when my wife was taking it. Upjohn (sp?) tracked her after her pregnancy because it was such a statistical anomaly.
But condoms? They have a very high failure rate. I've read 15 percent or higher. Others (outside of the pill and the shot) can be as high as 40 percent.
I think condoms have a lot to do with how they are used
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I think condoms have a lot to do with how they are used
I agree. So does the pill. But human error is a part of its effectiveness (or ineffectiveness).
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From what I saw the billboard did not have her name or picture on it, so what's her problem?
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lol
yeah everyone know woman have all the advantages in our busllshit society
poor fella just wanted to have a baby
When it comes to the rights to decide everything about children... They do have all the advantages.
In this particular instance, Men have almost zero.
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When it comes to the rights to decide everything about children... They do have all the advantages.
In this particular instance, Men have almost zero.
a couple advantages they also have are a womb and a few eggs
this is totally unfair to men
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Terrible thing he did. Glad the judge made the right call. :-\
WTF?! she has the right to KILL their child, but he doesn't have the right to speak out about it?
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Sex with protection leads to pregnancy too.
speak for yourself.
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WTF?! she has the right to KILL their child, but he doesn't have the right to speak out about it?
Who said that? He doesn't have the right to put up a billboard about it. That's what the judge said. I agree with the judge.
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speak for yourself.
I'm speaking for the 15+ percent of the people who use condoms and still make a baby.
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I'm speaking for the 15+ percent of the people who use condoms and still make a baby.
Bereft Fury said it's only .01% and then 1%
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I'm speaking for the 15+ percent of the people who use condoms and still make a baby.
what about the percent of people who use her face? :D
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a couple advantages they also have are a womb and a few eggs
this is totally unfair to men
LOL not at all brain child, whats not fair is that she gets to decide what happens to the male for 18 years...
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LOL @ everyone ignoring the fact that the billboard never mentions her name or shows her face........how can they prove he was even talking about her? Maybe he was just being used as a model in an ad?
Should have never gone to court, waste of taxpayers money and time.
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LOL not at all brain child, whats not fair is that she gets to decide what happens to the male for 18 years...
Hey Mr. .01% - haven't we had this discussion before?
It's so unfair that men are required to support their own children
It's such an outrage
Life is so unfair to men
Maybe you can get one of the Republican candidates to take up this important issue
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LOL @ everyone ignoring the fact that the billboard never mentions her name or shows her face........how can they prove he was even talking about her? Maybe he was just being used as a model in an ad?
Should have never gone to court, waste of taxpayers money and time.
the woman's name is Nani Lawrence and the billboard had the included the "coincidental" (?) acronym N.A.N.I
The original billboard had two endorsements that have since been removed. The first was from N.A.N.I., an organization Fultz created for pro-life issues that stands for National Association for Needed Information. The acronym also happens to be his ex-girlfriend's first name.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-billboard-lands-mexico-man-court-girlfriend/story?id=13783668
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And? Its an acronym, big deal. Nobody would even be paying attention had she not wasted taxpayers time and money by dragging this to court. Like I said, her name/picture was not put up, the acronym is a legit organization, there was no invasion into her personal life.
Fuck her.
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And? Its an acronym, big deal. Nobody would even be paying attention had she not wasted taxpayers time and money by dragging this to court. Like I said, her name/picture was not put up, the acronym is a legit organization, there was no invasion into her personal life.
Fuck her.
apparently the local court disagrees with you
hopefully this retard will keep his word and go to jail rather than remove it
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And? Its an acronym, big deal. Nobody would even be paying attention had she not wasted taxpayers time and money by dragging this to court. Like I said, her name/picture was not put up, the acronym is a legit organization, there was no invasion into her personal life.
Fuck her.
you're so familiar with the National Association of Needed Information that you know it's legitimate
tell us all about it
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a couple advantages they also have are a womb and a few eggs
this is totally unfair to men
You think owning and incubator and 1/2 the genetic material is some kind of advantage?
What about the male 1/2 of the genetic material?
It doesn't count?
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This convo is all fucked up....I'm looking at the billboard subject only and nowhere on that billboard does he violate any kind of her privacy. As far as nani being a legit org, you're right, I do not know it for a fact, but if your google is broken I can look into it for you later. :)
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This convo is all fucked up....I'm looking at the billboard subject only and nowhere on that billboard does he violate any kind of her privacy. As far as nani being a legit org, you're right, I do not know it for a fact, but if your google is broken I can look into it for you later. :)
Google works fine.
I figured you would have used it to find where tubby tells the local newspaper the N.A.N.I is not yet an official organization before you declared it legitimate
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Nope, already cleared that up.
Still how does the billboard invade her privacy? Does it say "N.I.N.A." Killed my kid? Does it have her picture? Did it mention in an way shape or form that "N.I.N.A." Was responsible for the kids death? Does it say her last name anywhere on the billboard? How is that billboard connected to her specifically? The picture of the dork she banged and an acronym of her name....so had he used someone else for the picture would she even know it was about her? What if he left his picture and took out "N.I.N.A."? Would that make her STFU?
Again, waste of taxpayer time and money. Maybe she'll be so embarrassed by this she'll keep her fucking legs closed until she's ready to breed.
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You think owning and incubator and 1/2 the genetic material is some kind of advantage?
What about the male 1/2 of the genetic material?
It doesn't count?
dude - I'm on your side
woman have the totally unfair advantage over men
they get to gain all the weight, they get all the discomfort, various associated medical issues, eventually they have to take time off work and then get to enjoy all the pain and risk of childbirth up to and including potential death
the whole thing is totally unfair to men
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Nope, already cleared that up.
Still how does the billboard invade her privacy? Does it say "N.I.N.A." Killed my kid? Does it have her picture? Did it mention in an way shape or form that "N.I.N.A." Was responsible for the kids death? Does it say her last name anywhere on the billboard? How is that billboard connected to her specifically? The picture of the dork she banged and an acronym of her name....so had he used someone else for the picture would she even know it was about her? What if he left his picture and took out "N.I.N.A."? Would that make her STFU?
Again, waste of taxpayer time and money. Maybe she'll be so embarrassed by this she'll keep her fucking legs closed until she's ready to breed.
the billboard included her first name and called her a killer
Next time maybe tubby will do what responsible adults usually do and get married and then have children with his wife
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Her first name is "N.I.N.A." ?
Why would he worry about getting married, he was obviously willing to step up and be a father....again, that's not the topic though....the billboard does not invade her privacy.
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Her first name is "N.I.N.A." ?
Why would he worry about getting married, he was obviously willing to step up and be a father....again, that's not the topic though....the billboard does not invade her privacy.
you may want to emphasize you are expecting them to notice the -> . <- in between the letters .... you'll shorten the time you are beating your head with the palm of your hand .. I've followed what you've said the last few times you've said it
C.H.A.O.S. <- totally the same right there lol
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the billboard included her first name and called her a killer
Next time maybe tubby will do what responsible adults usually do and get married and then have children with his wife
you mean, have children with his wife if she so chooses to allow it, right?
seeing as there is no difference between being her husband or one night stand in terms of parental rights for the man right?
LOL dumb ass
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Her first name is "N.I.N.A." ?
Why would he worry about getting married, he was obviously willing to step up and be a father....again, that's not the topic though....the billboard does not invade her privacy.
her first name is Nani and I'm sure it's just a coincidence that her weirdo ex bf made up a nonexistent organization who's acronym just happened to be her first name.
turns out this moron doesn't even know if she had an abortion or a miscarriage which is why the anti-abortion group on the billboard rescinded their permission to use their logo
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you mean, have children with his wife if she so chooses to allow it, right?
seeing as there is no difference between being her husband or one night stand in terms of parental rights for the man right?
LOL dumb ass
this is one time where you might want to pull the 99.99% figure out of your ass again
this is a non-issue for the vast majority of married couples
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this is one time where you might want to pull the 99.99% figure out of your ass again
this is a non-issue for the vast majority of married couples
LOL so 99% then?
what does it matter?
you throw out marriage like it somehow gives the man rights?
does it?
NO!!!
so there is absolutely no difference between a husband and a one night stand in terms of parent rights, correct?
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LOL so 99% then?
what does it matter?
you throw out marriage like it somehow gives the man rights?
does it?
NO!!!
so there is absolutely no difference between a husband and a one night stand in terms of parent rights, correct?
I "throw out" marriage because most married couples decide together whether they want kids or not and don't need to act like a creepy, stalkerish weirdo like this guy
All my other opinions on the subject of the horrible injustice that woman have over men are clearly stated in this thread and others
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Doesn't change the point, its his freedom of speech to put up the billboard and it does not invade this chicks personal life, 99.9% of people that saw that billboard would never connect the two, until she drew attention to it and raised a stink.
When did the "miscarriage" excuse happen? Right after the billboard went up and she got a lawyer to tell her it happened?
If you want to talk about abortions and rights of men/women, start a different thread.
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Doesn't change the point, its his freedom of speech to put up the billboard and it does not invade this chicks personal life, 99.9% of people that saw that billboard would never connect the two, until she drew attention to it and raised a stink.
When did the "miscarriage" excuse happen? Right after the billboard went up and she got a lawyer to tell her it happened?
If you want to talk about abortions and rights of men/women, start a different thread.
all the information on the topic is freely available on the interwebs
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Touche!
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I "throw out" marriage because most married couples decide together whether they want kids or not
you always say stuff like this but fail to see that youre wrong...
the couple doesnt decide shit, the woman decides plain and simple.
even if the couple had decided to get pregnant if she changes her mind it doesnt matter what the man thinks
dont let the idea that b/c they agree the man has a choice...the man just happend to agree with her choice is all...
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you always say stuff like this but fail to see that youre wrong...
the couple doesnt decide shit, the woman decides plain and simple.
even if the couple had decided to get pregnant if she changes her mind it doesnt matter what the man thinks
dont let the idea that b/c they agree the man has a choice...the man just happend to agree with her choice is all...
fine with me
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Doesn't change the point, its his freedom of speech to put up the billboard and it does not invade this chicks personal life, 99.9% of people that saw that billboard would never connect the two, until she drew attention to it and raised a stink.
When did the "miscarriage" excuse happen? Right after the billboard went up and she got a lawyer to tell her it happened?
If you want to talk about abortions and rights of men/women, start a different thread.
Everyone who knows him probably knew his girlfriend's name. It's patently obvious he used her name on the billboard. His goal was to publicly humiliate her by disclosing intimate details of her private life. There should be no place in our society for stuff like this.
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Everyone who knows him probably knew his girlfriend's name. It's patently obvious he used her name on the billboard. His goal was to publicly humiliate her by disclosing intimate details of her private life. There should be no place in our society for stuff like this.
Not sure on this one - I could go both ways (like Blacken, hehe). Flag burning, Phillips clan, etc., and it's all protected speech so I'm not sure why this wouldn't be.
There's nothing stopping him from creating a website and putting all the details out for everybody to see. Nothing stopping him from posting all the details on facebook and allowing everyone to view. Not sure why this would be much different.
BTW - not that I condone such immature behavior.
And Straw Man hit it right on the other page - what woman would possibly fuck this douchebag now? haha
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Not sure on this one - I could go both ways (like Blacken, hehe). Flag burning, Phillips clan, etc., and it's all protected speech so I'm not sure why this wouldn't be.
There's nothing stopping him from creating a website and putting all the details out for everybody to see. Nothing stopping him from posting all the details on facebook and allowing everyone to view. Not sure why this would be much different.
BTW - not that I condone such immature behavior.
And Straw Man hit it right on the other page - what woman would possibly fuck this douchebag now? haha
I see your point, although I don't think he should be able to put up a website, etc. disclosing her private information either. That's the issue for me (invasion of privacy). Nobody should have the right to disclose your private information to the public without consequences. It's not right.