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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: kevcat on June 19, 2011, 02:20:40 AM
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I think Overeem carried ALOT of hype into this fight and well, lets be honest he sucked.People can say 'But Werdum was going to ground all the time so Overeem couldnt do much ', but Werum clearly outstruck this 'world class striker'.He probably didnt hurt Overeem but landing more is what should count in a judged fight IMO. Wasnt really a great fight and well for everyone who says Overeems the top HW in the world i have major doubts.JDS recently looked alot better on his feet for a start.....opinions? :)
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I think Overeem carried ALOT of hype into this fight and well, lets be honest he sucked.People can say 'But Werdum was going to ground all the time so Overeem couldnt do much ', but Werum clearly outstruck this 'world class striker'.He probably didnt hurt Overeem but landing more is what should count in a judged fight IMO. Wasnt really a great fight and well for everyone who says Overeems the top HW in the world i have major doubts.JDS recently looked alot better on his feet for a start.....opinions? :)
Your right. I would say that a couple of Werdum's knees/punches actually were doing some decent damage. If any decent striker like Dos Santos hit him with shots like that, he will get beat. He definately had his opportunities to strike with Werdum but didn't. He also looked way too gassed for not doing much.
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Due to each fighter's strategy this wasn't going to be an exciting fight. One fighter wanted it on the ground and the other wanted to stand. Overeem didn't want to make the mistake he did the first time around or the mistake that Fedor made. He didn't and won. He allowed Werdum to land some strikes because he was more worried about Werdum taking him down. In a fight against Dos Santos, Overeem would be much less worried about getting submitted so he may be able to be more effective striking or at the very least defending strikes.
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Due to each fighter's strategy this wasn't going to be an exciting fight. One fighter wanted it on the ground and the other wanted to stand. Overeem didn't want to make the mistake he did the first time around or the mistake that Fedor made. He didn't and won. He allowed Werdum to land some strikes because he was more worried about Werdum taking him down. In a fight against Dos Santos, Overeem would be much less worried about getting submitted so he may be able to be more effective striking or at the very least defending strikes.
Solid post. Pretty much sums up last nights fight.
As for Alistair, I never liked his stand up AT ALL. MMA or K-1.
In K-1 he's not "technical" AT ALL IMO. He's going on sheer brute strength. If Badr Hari was in the last K-1, I bet my paycheck he would have KO'd Overeem a$$.
Those shots Werdum got in on him when he did strike was no fluke. Alistair tries to walk through shots off sheer brute. I think Cain or even Junior Dos would KO Alistair no problem. They just need to make sure they test that big fucker leading up to the fight.
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Solid post. Pretty much sums up last nights fight.
As for Alistair, I never liked his stand up AT ALL. MMA or K-1.
In K-1 he's not "technical" AT ALL IMO. He's going on sheer brute strength. If Badr Hari was in the last K-1, I bet my paycheck he would have KO'd Overeem a$$.
Those shots Werdum got in on him when he did strike was no fluke. Alistair tries to walk through shots off sheer brute. I think Cain or even Junior Dos would KO Alistair no problem. They just need to make sure they test that big fucker leading up to the fight.
Based on this fight,I would agree.. Standing there and trying to take shots is not a good defense.. Do that against Cain or Dos Santos,and you'll be on the ground ,lids wide open ,eyes rolled back.
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I think Overeem carried ALOT of hype into this fight and well, lets be honest he sucked.People can say 'But Werdum was going to ground all the time so Overeem couldnt do much ', but Werum clearly outstruck this 'world class striker'.He probably didnt hurt Overeem but landing more is what should count in a judged fight IMO. Wasnt really a great fight and well for everyone who says Overeems the top HW in the world i have major doubts.JDS recently looked alot better on his feet for a start.....opinions? :)
What called my attention about this fight is that Overeem didn't dominate Werdum in the stand-up like we all expected. Werdum was clinching and kneeing Overeem pretty hard and the latter was feeling it.
Because of his jiu-jitsu skills, people forget that Werdum is a very big and strong guy. He actually threw Overeem to the ground twice. Werdum ate many jabs and overhands from Overeem and didn't even get bruised.
I actually think that Werdum was feeling Fedor's punches a lot more than Overeem's and avoided standing with Fedor a lot more than with Overeem. This tells me that even though Overeem is a very technical striker, he lacks power especially with his hands. His feet and knees do have power.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Overeem is a very technical striker,
SUCKMYMUSCLE
LMFAO!!!!!!!Dude spent the entire fight throwing haymakers, technical my ass. Overatedeem should have lost that fight, he spent it going backwards away from Werdumbs strikes. If Werdumb hadn't spent the entire fight taking WWE style "bumps" maybe the judges would have sent the decision his way.
Overall a very boring fight, judging from what I've seen of these guys in Strikeforce, that Bigfoot guy or that other cracker that can't pass a steroid test will both whip Overatedeem.
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Both were very non-impressive in this fight.
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Due to each fighter's strategy this wasn't going to be an exciting fight. One fighter wanted it on the ground and the other wanted to stand. Overeem didn't want to make the mistake he did the first time around or the mistake that Fedor made. He didn't and won. He allowed Werdum to land some strikes because he was more worried about Werdum taking him down. In a fight against Dos Santos, Overeem would be much less worried about getting submitted so he may be able to be more effective striking or at the very least defending strikes.
QFT
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What called my attention about this fight is that Overeem didn't dominate Werdum in the stand-up like we all expected. Werdum was clinching and kneeing Overeem pretty hard and the latter was feeling it.
Because of his jiu-jitsu skills, people forget that Werdum is a very big and strong guy. He actually threw Overeem to the ground twice. Werdum ate many jabs and overhands from Overeem and didn't even get bruised.
I actually think that Werdum was feeling Fedor's punches a lot more than Overeem's and avoided standing with Fedor a lot more than with Overeem. This tells me that even though Overeem is a very technical striker, he lacks power especially with his hands. His feet and knees do have power.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You're a complete ignoramus. Read powerbar's post and educate yourself.
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You're a complete ignoramus. Read powerbar's post and educate yourself.
This coming from the f.a.g.g.o.t who said that Frank Mir is better than Fedor and that Brock Lesnar has Lyoto Machida-like elusivness. lolololololololo...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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that Bigfoot guy or that other cracker that can't pass a steroid test will both whip Overatedeem.
bigfoot won't have the power to whip overratedeem... the other cracker that can't pass a steroid test might, but it's hard to tell. Overratedeem was manhandling rogers' pretty easily too. pretty sure velasquez would murder overratedeem if he fought like he did last night.
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This coming from the f.a.g.g.o.t who said that Frank Mir is better than Fedor and that Brock Lesnar has Lyoto Machida-like elusivness. lolololololololo...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Mir is better than Fedor. Never said that about Lesnar. You're still an ignoramus.
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Mir is better than Fedor.
Big Nog fought both and said Fedor is better.
Never said that about Lesnar.
Yes, you did. You said Lesnar is very quick and elusive for a guy his size, like Machida.
You're still an ignoramus.
Dude, you have been humiliated and trashed by several posters here. I've never seen a mod get humiliated so badly like you are.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Mir is better than Fedor. Never said that about Lesnar. You're still an ignoramus.
That is an outright lie and you know it.
You are correct about Mir though. He is the greatest heavyweight in MMA history.
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This coming from the f.a.g.g.o.t who said that Frank Mir is better than Fedor and that Brock Lesnar has Lyoto Machida-like elusivness. lolololololololo...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Lol Mir better than fedor who was undefeated for a decade. He should be banned just for saying that.
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bigfoot won't have the power to whip overratedeem... the other cracker that can't pass a steroid test might, but it's hard to tell. Overratedeem was manhandling rogers' pretty easily too. pretty sure velasquez would murder overratedeem if he fought like he did last night.
I dunno, if that jalopy headed freak can get Overratedeem to the ground, he"ll have a pretty good chance.
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How can big nog claim Fedor is better than Mir? Even though he faced both of them, Mir straight-up whooped his ass and was the first to finish Nog at the time. Fedor will go down as the the better fighter, but that is an idiotic statement.
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Opinions are subjective, and we are all entitled to one, and it is my firm opinion that Fedor will never be matched as a HW in my lifetime. Mir doesnt come close and would have been demolished as easily as most of his opponents, infact Mir may very well be one of the most overrated fighters of the modern era. Whenever he has had to step up he has been destroyed and left in a bloody mess, for whatever reason he just hasnt been able to establish himself amongst the elite.
This is as pointless discussion as the Yates / Coleman debate as there are always those who swear by either guy, and those who have no opinion on either.
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Lol Mir better than fedor who was undefeated for a decade. He should be banned just for saying that.
Holy shit assbruise, did you finally get a new keyboard?
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How can big nog claim Fedor is better than Mir? Even though he faced both of them, Mir straight-up whooped his ass and was the first to finish Nog at the time. Fedor will go down as the the better fighter, but that is an idiotic statement.
Lol, dude, Mir beat a brain destroyed Nogueira who had just come back from knee and back surgery and was past his prime. Fedor destroyed Big Nog in his prime when Nog was 25 years old and in prime condition. Fedor pretty much toyed with Big Nog and made him a bitch. Watch the three fights between Fedor and Nog and you'll see that Fedor wasn't even struggling. It would be like watching Cain vs a third-tier heavyweight like Congo. The skill gap was enormous, and that is a scary thing because Nog in his prime was a monster. This is the Nog that whipped Randy Couture's ass at UFC 102 with ease. Fedor in 2004 was cartoon superhero good. I think that even today no fighter has reached the skill ceilling Fedor had in 2004. His speed, power, quick decision-making and grappling made him the G.O.A.T. We have never seen a fighter with that power who at the same time was versatile and could grapple like that. Even past his prime in 2011, Fedor can still hold his own against 285 lbs monsters at a bodyweight of 225 lbs and go 1-1 on 2 rounds. Now imagine how much greater he was in 2004.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Holy shit assbruise, did you finally get a new keyboard?
THAT WAS THR0UGH MY CELL.
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Lol, dude, Mir beat a brain destroyed Nogueira who had just come back from knee and back surgery and was past his prime. Fedor destroyed Big Nog in his prime when Nog was 25 years old and in prime condition. Fedor pretty much toyed with Big Nog and made him a bitch. Watch the three fights between Fedor and Nog and you'll see that Fedor wasn't even struggling. It would be like watching Cain vs a third-tier heavyweight like Congo. The skill gap was enormous, and that is a scary thing because Nog in his prime was a monster. This is the Nog that whipped Randy Couture's ass at UFC 102 with ease. Fedor in 2004 was cartoon superhero good. I think that even today no fighter has reached the skill ceilling Fedor had in 2004. His speed, power, quick decision-making and grappling made him the G.O.A.T. We have never seen a fighter with that power who at the same time was versatile and could grapple like that. Even past his prime in 2011, Fedor can still hold his own against 285 lbs monsters at a bodyweight of 225 lbs and go 1-1 on 2 rounds. Now imagine how much greater he was in 2004.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
PRIME FED0R W0ULD DESTR0Y ANY0NE. THE FUNNY THING IS EVERY0NE HAS M0RE L0SSES THAN FED0R BUT HE GETS BASHED EVEN AFTER BEING UNDEFEATED F0R 10 YEARS.
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It would be like watching Cain vs a third-tier heavyweight like Congo.
You do realise they have already fought? Had it not been for Kongo's complete lack of a ground game he may have actually beaten Cain in that fight, he had some rare but effective opportunities & its just a shame he couldnt stay off his back. Each time he looked like he was ready for a title shot he failed at the last hurdle.
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Due to each fighter's strategy this wasn't going to be an exciting fight. One fighter wanted it on the ground and the other wanted to stand. Overeem didn't want to make the mistake he did the first time around or the mistake that Fedor made. He didn't and won. He allowed Werdum to land some strikes because he was more worried about Werdum taking him down. In a fight against Dos Santos, Overeem would be much less worried about getting submitted so he may be able to be more effective striking or at the very least defending strikes.
100% right. overeem took knees and punches from werdum because he wasn't worried about his striking as much as he was getting taken down. overeem has dominated everyone else. look what he he did to rogers. weather he wins or loses this tournament the guy is dangerous to anyone.
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Lol Mir better than fedor who was undefeated for a decade. He should be banned just for saying that.
Fedor fought a loooooong list of cans. Guys with zero to one fight on their record or guys with more losses than wins. He is the MOST overrated fighter in the history of MMA. Thank goodness he was finally exposed for the glorified can that he is.
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Big Nog fought both and said Fedor is better.
Yes, you did. You said Lesnar is very quick and elusive for a guy his size, like Machida.
Dude, you have been humiliated and trashed by several posters here. I've never seen a mod get humiliated so badly like you are.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Frank knocked NOG the FUCK out. enough said.
Lesnar is quick for a guy his size. Where did I say he moves like Machida...find the post.
I've been humiliated? Gee, I didn't know that ::) Listen ignoramus, I deal in facts. And I have repeatedly pwned you by drop mad facts on your sorry ass.
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How can big nog claim Fedor is better than Mir? Even though he faced both of them, Mir straight-up whooped his ass and was the first to finish Nog at the time. Fedor will go down as the the better fighter, but that is an idiotic statement.
QFT!
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Lol, dude, Mir beat a brain destroyed Nogueira who had just come back from knee and back surgery and was past his prime. Fedor destroyed Big Nog in his prime when Nog was 25 years old and in prime condition. Fedor pretty much toyed with Big Nog and made him a bitch. Watch the three fights between Fedor and Nog and you'll see that Fedor wasn't even struggling. It would be like watching Cain vs a third-tier heavyweight like Congo. The skill gap was enormous, and that is a scary thing because Nog in his prime was a monster. This is the Nog that whipped Randy Couture's ass at UFC 102 with ease. Fedor in 2004 was cartoon superhero good. I think that even today no fighter has reached the skill ceilling Fedor had in 2004. His speed, power, quick decision-making and grappling made him the G.O.A.T. We have never seen a fighter with that power who at the same time was versatile and could grapple like that. Even past his prime in 2011, Fedor can still hold his own against 285 lbs monsters at a bodyweight of 225 lbs and go 1-1 on 2 rounds. Now imagine how much greater he was in 2004.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
BWAHAHAHAHAHA1!!!!!!! Fuck you're stupid. How old are you? What do you do to earn a living. Please do tell...
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You do realise they have already fought? Had it not been for Kongo's complete lack of a ground game he may have actually beaten Cain in that fight, he had some rare but effective opportunities & its just a shame he couldnt stay off his back. Each time he looked like he was ready for a title shot he failed at the last hurdle.
No, he doesn't realize that. The guy is a complete idiot. I'm starting to think he is either a 14yr old kid or barely functioning adult retard.,..
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA1!!!!!!! Fuck you're stupid. How old are you? What do you do to earn a living. Please do tell...
I will never be able to match in stupidity a guy who thinks that Brock Lesnar has Lyoto Machida-like elusivness. That was awesome. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Fedor fought a loooooong list of cans. Guys with zero to one fight on their record or guys with more losses than wins.
UMM N0 M0ST 0F THE FIGHTERS HE BEAT HAVE MUCH M0RE WINS THAN L0SSES. HE NEVER F0UGHT ANY0NE WITH ZER0 T0 0NE FIGHT Y0U TR0LL. THE 0NLY PERS0N WAS H0I CH0I WH0 HAS 2-3 L0SSES WAS THE CL0SEST. HE MADE EVERY0NE ELSE L00K LIKE CANS BECAUSE HE HAD N0 CHALLENGE. HE D0MINATED EVERY0NE THAT WAS PUT IN FR0NT 0F HIM. THAT WAS PATHETIC TR0LLING. HE BEAT EVERYB0DY THAT WAS FIGHTING IN THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISI0N AT THE TIME DURING HIS 10 YEAR CAREER INCLUDING UFC CHAMPS ARL0VSKI AND TIM SYLVIA AND EVERY SINGLE PRIDE HEAVYWEIGHT T0URNAMENT.
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I will never be able to match in stupidity a guy who thinks that Brock Lesnar has Lyoto Machida-like elusivness. That was awesome. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Y0U KN0W WHAT'S FUNNY THEY WERE SAYING FED0R WAS DUCKING THE UFC AND THEN HE K0ED SILVIA AND ARL0VSKI IN SEC0NDS AND THEN THEY STILL SAID FED0R WAS DUCKING THE UFC.
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UMM N0 M0ST 0F THE FIGHTERS HE BEAT HAVE MUCH M0RE WINS THAN L0SSES. THAT WAS PATHETIC TR0LLING. HE BEAT EVERYB0DY THAT WAS FIGHTING IN THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISI0N AT THE TIME DURING HIS 10 YEAR CAREER INCLUDING UFC CHAMPS ARL0VSKI AND TIM SYLVIA AND EVERY SINGLE PRIDE HEAVYWEIGHT T0URNAMENT.
LOL. All caps meltdown!
Please go to sherdog and look at Fedor's record. What you'll find is that MOST of his wins where over guys who either had less than 5 fights or had more losses than wins. It's a fact.
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Y0U KN0W WHAT'S FUNNY THEY WERE SAYING FED0R WAS DUCKING THE UFC AND THEN HE K0ED SILVIA AND ARL0VSKI IN SEC0NDS AND THEN THEY STILL SAID FED0R WAS DUCKING THE UFC.
LOL. Lots of people have KOd Andre and Tim. Beating them doesn't make you the greatest of all time ::)
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LOL. All caps meltdown!
Please go to sherdog and look at Fedor's record. What you'll find is that MOST of his wins where over guys who either had less than 5 fights or had more losses than wins. It's a fact.
HEHE 0KAY. S0 0UT 0F HIS T0TAL 34 FIGHTS. 0NLY 4 GUYS HAD M0RE L0SSES THAN WINS AND LESS THAN 5 FIGHTS. 3 0F TH0SE WERE HIS FIRST FIGHTS IN RING. I DIDN'T C0UNT THE REMATCHES BEL0W. 0H AND IN CASE Y0U'RE C0NFUSED THE FIRST NUMBER IS WINS AND THE SEC0ND IS L0SS. ;D ACTUALLY I TAKE IT BACK Y0U'RE N0T A TR0LL JUST A C0MPLETE NEWBIE. Y0U SAID M0ST 0F HIS WINS 0VER GUYS WH0 HAS LESS THAN 5 FIGHTS 0R M0RE L0SSES THAN WINS. HAHAAAAAAAA. 0WNED LIKE A BITCH. 8) :D ;D :-[
Ricardo Arona 14-5
Tsuyoshi Kosaka 26-18
Kerry Schall 23-12
Renato Sobral 36 - 9 - 0
Chris Haseman 20-16
Semmy Schilt 26-14
HEATH HERRING-28 - 14 - 0
Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira-32-6
Egidijus Valavicius
Record 19 - 9 - 0 (Win
Kazuyuki Fujita
Record 15 - 9 - 0 (Win - L
Gary Goodridge
Nick Name Big Daddy
Record 23 - 22 - 1 (Win -
Naoya Ogawa
Record 7 - 2 - 0 (Win - Loss - Draw)
Mirko Filipovic
Nick Name Cro Cop
Record 27 - 9 - 2 (Win - Loss - Draw) ( 1
Wagner da Conceicao Martins
Nick Name Zuluzinho
Record 8 - 7 - 0 (Win - Loss - Draw)
Name Mark Coleman
Nick Name The Hammer
Record 16 - 10 - 0 (Win - Loss - Draw)
Matt Lindland
Nick Name The Law
Record 22 - 9 - 0 (Win - Loss - Draw
Tim Sylvia
Nick Name The Maine-iac
Record 28 - 7 - 0 (Win - Loss - Dr
Andrei Arlovski
Nick Name The Pit Bull
Record 15 - 9 - 0 (Win - Loss - Draw)
Wins 11 (T)KOs ( 73.33 %)
Brett Rogers
Nick Name The Grim
Record 11 - 3 - 0 (Win - Loss - D
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LOL. Lots of people have KOd Andre and Tim. Beating them doesn't make you the greatest of all time ::)
N0 BEING UNDEFEATED F0R 10 YEARS WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN D0NE AND WINNING EVERY SINGLE PRIDE HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE AND BEATING EVERY SINGLE HEAVYWEIGHT AT THE TIME WH0 WAS IN THEIR PRIME AND FIGHTING INCLUDING THE TW0 F0RMER UFC CHAMPS WH0 WERE RECENTLY CHAMPS D0ES.(SYLVIA L0ST T0 RANDY WH0 HE BEAT BEF0RE PREVI0USLY L0SING T0 FIGHTING FED0R.) JUST GIVE UP Y0U'RE EMBARASSING Y0URSELF.
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Assbruise.
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PRIME FED0R W0ULD DESTR0Y ANY0NE. THE FUNNY THING IS EVERY0NE HAS M0RE L0SSES THAN FED0R BUT HE GETS BASHED EVEN AFTER BEING UNDEFEATED F0R 10 YEARS.
i agree 100%
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Y0U KN0W WHAT'S FUNNY THEY WERE SAYING FED0R WAS DUCKING THE UFC AND THEN HE K0ED SILVIA AND ARL0VSKI IN SEC0NDS AND THEN THEY STILL SAID FED0R WAS DUCKING THE UFC.
thats true. both were former ufc champs and he destroyed them. with that being said fedor is past his prime now