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Are you okay with the potential "First Man" using your tax dollars to try to "un-gay" people?
Marcus bachmann denies the center does gay repairative therapy.
Video shows otherwise. undeniable.
Michelle bachmann refuses to talk about the gay repair center.
Personally, I'm fine with clinics doing anything they want - BUT - if they 're using TAX DOLLARS to UNGAY PEOPLE - that's a waste of tax dollars.
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Im not for funneling any money to any personal interest...but if 160 is all that has been given to this then pfff
obama just funneled 80 million to accorn...
She isnt a viable candidate but she is still the lesser of two evils as far as obama is concerned
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lol. How desperate are the liberal lackeys to try and take Bachmann down? lol
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Im not for funneling any money to any personal interest...but if 160 is all that has been given to this then pfff
obama just funneled 80 million to accorn...
She isnt a viable candidate but she is still the lesser of two evils as far as obama is concerned
I agree but many people somehow think she is viable
even some people on this board
seems crazy to me
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Compared to obama, wee man and beetljuice are viable for potus.
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Compared to obama, wee man and beetljuice are viable for potus.
so, you are scared that BO just might win?
that desperate?
and you've got more than a year to panic..
;D
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so, you are scared that BO just might win?
that desperate?
and you've got more than a year to panic..
;D
I really would not be surprised since obama starts out at 45% from all the welfare leeches and parasites who worship him.
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I really would not be surprised since obama starts out at 45% from all the welfare leeches and parasites who worship him.
and that scares you , doesn't it. :-*
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and that scares you , doesn't it. :-*
Tell me if her husband isn't a closet homosexual? It's easy, he talks just like one.
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and that scares you , doesn't it. :-*
Should scare the shit of anyone who gives a damn for the country, not that the communist demo parasites ever do.
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Marcus Bachmann is gayer than Ted Haggard.
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Marcus Bachmann is gayer than Ted Haggard.
Just say the video holy shit you are right
No wonder Michelle Bachman hates gays everytime she goes to bed with her husband he is thinking of other guys :-X
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but if 160 is all that has been given to this then pfff
lol @ cool with 160k in stolen govt money to 'step teh gays'.
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lol @ cool with 160k in stolen govt money to 'step teh gays'.
You supported the stim bill - fuck off.
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so, you are scared that BO just might win?
that desperate?
and you've got more than a year to panic..
;D
BO? Body Odor? ???
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Tell me if her husband isn't a closet homosexual? It's easy, he talks just like one.
how many times have we seen this is just the last couple of years.
these guys are filled with self loathing and they turn their own self hatred outward to the thing they hate in themselves
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Are you okay with the potential "First Man" using your tax dollars to try to "un-gay" people?
Marcus bachmann denies the center does gay repairative therapy.
Video shows otherwise. undeniable.
Michelle bachmann refuses to talk about the gay repair center.
Personally, I'm fine with clinics doing anything they want - BUT - if they 're using TAX DOLLARS to UNGAY PEOPLE - that's a waste of tax dollars.
A number of Christian ministries have an outreach program to homosexuals. This is hardly a new thing. It's just getting all this coverage, because the left-winged goofies in the media need something to take the heat of Obama's bumbling and fumbling.
The irony is that for over two years, the goofies (along with the Democrats) said it was ALL about the economy, that social issues didn't matter. Now that Tea Party princess is gaining ground (fresh off helping the GOP slap the taste out the Dems' mouths last fall), all of a sudden, Marcus Bachmann's clinic is a source of concern.
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i think he'd be a great "first man" for SNL skits
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Marcus Bachmann is gayer than Ted Haggard.
When he bursts out of his closet it will scare even the drag queens!
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only one person in this thread has addressed using 160k in tax dollars for religious purposes and that was tonymctones who said it is not important because it wasn't much
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only one person in this thread has addressed using 160k in tax dollars for religious purposes and that was tonymctones who said it is not important because it wasn't much
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Just repeating the precedent you guys set with obamas' insane bullshit spending on acorn, african ballwashing programs, etc. .
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A number of Christian ministries have an outreach program to homosexuals. This is hardly a new thing. It's just getting all this coverage, because the left-winged goofies in the media need something to take the heat of Obama's bumbling and fumbling.
Correct. What the heck do you expect a Christian counseling service to say about homosexuality? ::)
I just saw a clip on CNN where they actually sent a reporter to the young man's house to interview him and his mother. They are both traumatized that a Christian counseling service would have the audacity to suggest prayer and Bible studies to help him with his homosexuality, along with counseling with a former lesbian. Oh the horror. ::) And someone sent in a mole as part of a sting operation to get someone to say you can "pray the gay away." ::)
It's amazing how discussion of this issue has gotten to the point to where even Christians are unable to talk about faith-based views on homosexuality without this kind of ridiculous scrutiny (by liberals).
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only one person in this thread has addressed using 160k in tax dollars for religious purposes and that was tonymctones who said it is not important because it wasn't much
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Where has that been established? In what context?
And who cares?
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And who cares?
LOL! Of course.
Some people are seriously yelling that we need to cut social security and medicare - but it's okay to use federal dollars to un-gay people.
Luckily, this pathetic and weird group is a very small minority. Most people see this kind of nonsense spending on sexual orientation as a waste of tax dollars.
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Correct. What the heck do you expect a Christian counseling service to say about homosexuality? ::)
I just saw a clip on CNN where they actually sent a reporter to the young man's house to interview him and his mother. They are both traumatized that a Christian counseling service would have the audacity to suggest prayer and Bible studies to help him with his homosexuality, along with counseling with a former lesbian. Oh the horror. ::) And someone sent into a mole as part of a sting operation to get someone to say you can "pray the gay away." ::)
It's amazing how discussion of this issue has gotten to the point to where even Christians are unable to talk about faith-based views on homosexuality without this kind of ridiculous scrutiny (by liberals).
And CNN referred to this as "accusations" that Bachmann's husband runs such an outfit. Since when did Christian counseling become a crime? Furthermore, at last check, this service was voluntary. No one is forced to go such a place. Then, on Anderson Cooper's show, they bring in Dr. Drew Pinsky (he of "Celebrity Rehab" fame), who talked about how allegedly flawed and ineffective the program is (Oh, the irony!!).
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Correct. What the heck do you expect a Christian counseling service to say about homosexuality? ::)
I just saw a clip on CNN where they actually sent a reporter to the young man's house to interview him and his mother. They are both traumatized that a Christian counseling service would have the audacity to suggest prayer and Bible studies to help him with his homosexuality, along with counseling with a former lesbian. Oh the horror. ::) And someone sent into a mole as part of a sting operation to get someone to say you can "pray the gay away." ::)
It's amazing how discussion of this issue has gotten to the point to where even Christians are unable to talk about faith-based views on homosexuality without this kind of ridiculous scrutiny (by liberals).
Why doesn't Bachmann just tell the truth about what goes on in their clinic
As you've pointed out, it's not exactly a suprise that anti-gay christians would try to pray teh gay out of people
Why not just be honest
Seems like they are ashamed of their own actions
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Why doesn't Bachmann just tell the truth about what goes on in their clinic
As you've pointed out, it's not exactly a suprise that anti-gay christians would try to pray teh gay out of people
Why not just be honest
Seems like their ashamed of their own actions
The counselors there don't "pray the gay" out of anyone. If you look actually happens (see my post on the other thread regarding this topic), you'll note the lion's share of what happens occurs OUTSIDE the doors of a counseling office.
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LOL! Of course.
Some people are seriously yelling that we need to cut social security and medicare - but it's okay to use federal dollars to un-gay people.
Luckily, this pathetic and weird group is a very small minority. Most people see this kind of nonsense spending on sexual orientation as a waste of tax dollars.
Given that you lie, repeatedly on this board, I do not take your claim at the start of this thread about tax dollars (without a link) as true. Maybe it is, but you have zero credibility.
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The counselors there don't "pray the gay" out of anyone. If you look actually happens (see my post on the other thread regarding this topic), you'll note the lion's share of what happens occurs OUTSIDE the doors of a counseling office.
it's just a made up term, like Obamacare
you know what I mean
why do you think the Bachmans are so ashamed that they deny that they try to "cure" people of gayness?
why not be proud of what they do rather than deny it
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And CNN referred to this as "accusations" that Bachmann's husband runs such an outfit. Since when did Christian counseling become a crime? Furthermore, at last check, this service was voluntary. No one is forced to go such a place. Then, on Anderson Cooper's show, they bring in Dr. Drew Pinsky (he of "Celebrity Rehab" fame), who talked about how allegedly flawed and ineffective the program is (Oh, the irony!!).
Truth. If you don't like the treatment, take your butt someplace else.
Actually, the Dr. admitted that the treatment techniques were sound, then questioned their effectiveness.
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Funny how 240 took his obsession and hatred of Palin over to Bachmann, just like BF said he would.
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Truth. If you don't like the treatment, take your butt someplace else.
Actually, the Dr. admitted that the treatment techniques were sound, then questioned their effectiveness.
why are they denying they are doing it then?
that's the part that I don't understand
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You can't make this stuff up "pray away the gay" hahaha
Sorry, never work. Homosexuality was around before the bible was written and will be around until mankind is no longer on this planet.
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You can't make this stuff up "pray away the gay" hahaha
Sorry, never work. Homosexuality was around before the bible was written and will be around until mankind is no longer on this planet.
SORT OF LIKE "HOPE & CHANGE" would relate into job growth?
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You can't make this stuff up "pray away the gay" hahaha
Sorry, never work. Homosexuality was around before the bible was written and will be around until mankind is no longer on this planet.
You are aware that there are organizations designed to "pray the gay away" that have been around for years? Not talking about churches, which do the same thing.
This isn't news.
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No answer from the christians on this board about why the Bachmans are lying about what their clinic does
Isn't lying a sin too?
And why lie about it in the first place
are they ashamed that they provide this type of "service"
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Funny how 240 took his obsession and hatred of Palin over to Bachmann, just like BF said he would.
??? I'd still vote bachmann over obama in a heartbeat.
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No answer from the christians on this board about why the Bachmans are lying about what their clinic does
Isn't lying a sin too?
And why lie about it in the first place
are they ashamed that they provide this type of "service"
Good question - many of us have been asking the same thing about clinton, obama, etc for a long time.
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Why doesn't Bachmann just tell the truth about what goes on in their clinic
As you've pointed out, it's not exactly a suprise that anti-gay christians would try to pray teh gay out of people
Why not just be honest
Seems like they are ashamed of their own actions
She did lie about what went on there, huh? Kinda shady. Just admit it. Why did it take a hidden camera for them to admit the truth?
I guess if they'd have said "We are using tax dollars to pray away the gay" and been up front with it, I'd have no problem about it. But lying about how they're using tax dollars? That's what they did - took money and lied to us about how they're using it. Shady.
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Good question - many of us have been asking the same thing about clinton, obama, etc for a long time.
translation:
it's okay for bachmann to lie about the clinic because clinton lied about a BJ
way to just completely defend her lie, dude. Just say this "She lied, that is true, but I'd still vote for her in a repub primary because I think she'll fix america".
That's my opinion. I'd vote for her. But I'd never be the guy saying "but but but it's only 160k, so I'm okay with it..." I can admit every candidate is flawed, and this using tax dollars to pray away gay then lying about it - that's clearly a flaw. But she's the best chance against obama, so I'm cool with it.
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translation:
it's okay for bachmann to lie about the clinic because clinton lied about a BJ
way to just completely defend her lie, dude. Just say this "She lied, that is true, but I'd still vote for her in a repub primary because I think she'll fix america".
That's my opinion. I'd vote for her. But I'd never be the guy saying "but but but it's only 160k, so I'm okay with it..." I can admit every candidate is flawed, and this using tax dollars to pray away gay then lying about it - that's clearly a flaw. But she's the best chance against obama, so I'm cool with it.
I want to see more details on it before roasting her at the stake.
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I want to see more details on it before roasting her at the stake.
I don't see it as roasting her at the stake. She can overcome it. But she needs to get in front of it and say "Yes, I do believe we can pray away the gay, and yes, I am very cool with using your federal tax dollars to do it, America."
I'd rather have an honest person who makes mistakes - or has extreme beliefs that she feels strongly about - than a fcking liar.
So yeah, I'm very cool with having her own opinion and appropriating $ this way if she believes strongly in it - but lying about it - then changing story once hidden video comes out - that's some silly shit that is not presidential. If she'll lie about something so trivial, Lord help us once she's in office. And there's not "but obama did this..." because we have a slew of other GOP nominee potentials who are NOT knee-deep in a scandal involving tax dollars, anal sex, and lies. So yes, it's her compared to other repubs - not obama.
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She did lie about what went on there, huh? Kinda shady. Just admit it. Why did it take a hidden camera for them to admit the truth?
I guess if they'd have said "We are using tax dollars to pray away the gay" and been up front with it, I'd have no problem about it. But lying about how they're using tax dollars? That's what they did - took money and lied to us about how they're using it. Shady.
that's the part I don't get
their peers (other anti-gay christians) say we shouldn't be suprised that they do such stuff so why the denial
McWay? Bum?
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I don't see it as roasting her at the stake. She can overcome it. But she needs to get in front of it and say "Yes, I do believe we can pray away the gay, and yes, I am very cool with using your federal tax dollars to do it, America."
I'd rather have an honest person who makes mistakes - or has extreme beliefs that she feels strongly about - than a fcking liar.
So yeah, I'm very cool with having her own opinion and appropriating $ this way if she believes strongly in it - but lying about it - then changing story once hidden video comes out - that's some silly shit that is not presidential. If she'll lie about something so trivial, Lord help us once she's in office. And there's not "but obama did this..." because we have a slew of other GOP nominee potentials who are NOT knee-deep in a scandal involving tax dollars, anal sex, and lies. So yes, it's her compared to other repubs - not obama.
That doesn't make up the lion's share of what her business does (unlike Planned Parenthood with abortion). And from that video footage shown on ABC, all the "plant" was doing was INQUIRING about whether homosexuals can change and if that particular clerk or guy, behind the counter, has actually seen it done.
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That doesn't make up the lion's share of what her business does (unlike Planned Parenthood with abortion). And from that video footage shown on ABC, all the "plant" was doing was INQUIRING about whether homosexuals can change and if that particular clerk or guy, behind the counter, has actually seen it done.
you mean that's less than 3% of what they do is pray away the gay because that the % of abortions among all of Planned Parenthood services
I'm sure you know that
right?
btw - what are the other services that Bachman provides and what are their percentages. I assume you must know to make such a statement
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That doesn't make up the lion's share of what her business does (unlike Planned Parenthood with abortion).
PP = 3% abortion?
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that's the part I don't get
their peers (other anti-gay christians) say we shouldn't be suprised that they do such stuff so why the denial
McWay? Bum?
Not every Christian ministry or counseling serves goes into that arena. But, of those that do, why would some gay guy be shocked when they say homosexuality is wrong?
Exodus International has such a ministry, as does "Love Won Out", run by Focus on the Family (the gay activist group, "Truth Won Out", was made as a counter to FotF's ministry). Their program involves much more than just Bible study and prayer, what the guy on tape was mentioning to that gay "plant".
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Hey McWay
Lies make baby jesus cry
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Not every Christian ministry or counseling serves goes into that arena. But, of those that do, why would some gay guy be shocked when they say homosexuality is wrong?
Exodus International has such a ministry, as does "Love Won Out", run by Focus on the Family (the gay activist group, "Truth Won Out", was made as a counter to FotF's ministry). Their program involves much more than just Bible study and prayer, what the guy on tape was mentioning to that gay "plant".
Why do you think the Bachmanns are lying about what they do?
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PP = 3% abortion?
A 2009 report says that nearly 40% of their money came from abortions. That hardly sounds like "3%" to me. It would also explain why liberals get bent out of shape, when people talk about cutting PP's federal funding.
I doubt that such is the case with Bachmann's clinic.
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A 2009 report says that nearly 40% of their money came from abortions. That hardly sounds like "3%" to me. It would also explain why liberals get bent out of shape, when people talk about cutting PP's federal funding.
I doubt that such is the case with Bachmann's clinic.
source?
Even John Kyl admitted his statement (like yours) was not intended to be a factual statment
BTW - do you have any speculation on why the Bachmanns are lying about what they do at their clinic
Seems like lying might be a big part of being a christian
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source?
I thought I posted that earlier. My fault!!
http://liveaction.org/blog/38-4-of-pp-health-center-income-is-from-abortions/ (http://liveaction.org/blog/38-4-of-pp-health-center-income-is-from-abortions/)
BTW - do you have any speculation on why the Bachmanns are lying about what they do at their clinic
Seems like lying might be a big part of being a christian
I don't think they're lying. The statement made by Marcus Bachmann is that his clinic does not engage in reparative therapy.
"If someone is interested in talking to us about their homosexuality, we are open to talking about that. But if someone comes in a homosexual and they want to stay homosexual, I don't have a problem with that,"
Reparative therapy, per the words of Dr. Nicolosi (who does use it), is claiming that homosexuality is actually an attempt to mask a deficit caused by some trauma in life (physical/sexual abuse, lack of bonding with a same-sex parent, etc) and fixing that by repairing those deficits.
Based on the scant footage thus far, Bachmann's clinic doesn't go as in-depth as what Nicolosi does.
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only one person in this thread has addressed using 160k in tax dollars for religious purposes and that was tonymctones who said it is not important because it wasn't much
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LOL didnt say it didnt matter magoo, i said if thats all then its better by far then what obama has done in the last month...
would you rather the lesser or more of 2 evils?
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LOL didnt say it didnt matter magoo, i said if thats all then its better by far then what obama has done in the last month...
would you rather the lesser or more of 2 evils?
I guess I misinterpreted your "pff". :D
and yes, 160k is less than 80 million or whatever number it was, but I think thats irrelevant.
IF 160k (or any tax money) was used to fund a....I'm going to call it a religious community center (I think most would agree to that term) then I disagree with it. If no tax money was spent on it, then it is fine. I also disagree with her husband not admitting to it.
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I guess I misinterpreted your "pff". :D
and yes, 160k is less than 80 million or whatever number it was, but I think thats irrelevant.
IF 160k (or any tax money) was used to fund a....I'm going to call it a religious community center (I think most would agree to that term) then I disagree with it. If no tax money was spent on it, then it is fine. I also disagree with her husband not admitting to it.
I agree with them not admitting it, call it what it is
how do you feel about funding of planned parent hood?
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I guess I misinterpreted your "pff". :D
and yes, 160k is less than 80 million or whatever number it was, but I think thats irrelevant.
IF 160k (or any tax money) was used to fund a....I'm going to call it a religious community center (I think most would agree to that term) then I disagree with it. If no tax money was spent on it, then it is fine. I also disagree with her husband not admitting to it.
What difference does it make they got some funding?
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I thought I posted that earlier. My fault!!
http://liveaction.org/blog/38-4-of-pp-health-center-income-is-from-abortions/ (http://liveaction.org/blog/38-4-of-pp-health-center-income-is-from-abortions/)
Ok - I looked at the link and all this guy does is take the estimated average cost of an abortion (from a 2001 study from something called the Guttmacher Institute) and then mulitiple that figure by the # of abortions done in 2009 and then divide that figure by total annual income.
So What
It's an irrelevent calcuation
PP is a non-profit organization and offers many of their services for FREE
As a % of actual services rendered abortions come in at 3%
To give you a comparison let's look at a for profit business such as a movie theater
Concession saless make on average ~ 40% of the total profit for theater (often much higher) but would anyone argue that it's 40% of the services they provide?
Of course not
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What difference does it make they got some funding?
Tax dollars are not to be used to support, directly or indirectly, a specific religious belief/doctrine/etc
Just like how little jewish timmy cant be forced to listen to how he will burn in hell while sitting in his kindergarten class in a public school.
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Tax dollars are not to be used to support, directly or indirectly, a specific religious belief/doctrine/etc
Just like how little jewish timmy cant be forced to listen to how he will burn in hell while sitting in his kindergarten class in a public school.
they also arent supposed to go towards abortion....
so again how do you feel about planned parenthood?
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they also arent supposed to go towards abortion....
so again how do you feel about planned parenthood?
I don't know enough about planned parenthood (I've heard the 3% stat before is all), but if tax dollars aren't suppose to be used for abortion and planned parenthood uses tax dollars for abortion then I disagree with it too.
But abortion isnt relevent when talking about the bachmann clinic misusing tax money.
(don't worry, I'm consistent ;D)
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I don't know enough about planned parenthood (I've heard the 3% stat before is all), but if tax dollars aren't suppose to be used for abortion and planned parenthood uses tax dollars for abortion then I disagree with it too.
But abortion isnt relevent when talking about the bachmann clinic misusing tax money.
(don't worry, I'm consistent ;D)
I know you are, you just dont like talking about the other side is all ;)...
planned parenthood gets funds but says that they dont use any of the govt money to do abortions....a distinction without a difference...
bachmans husband could say the same thing...none of the govt money was used for this, it was used for other things, community outreach, charity etc...
At any rate the govt gives money to alot of religious organizations...please tell me why you believe the govt isnt supposed to give money to any religious group?
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I know you are, you just dont like talking about the other side is all ;)...
planned parenthood gets funds but says that they dont use any of the govt money to do abortions....a distinction without a difference...
bachmans husband could say the same thing...none of the govt money was used for this, it was used for other things, community outreach, charity etc...
At any rate the govt gives money to alot of religious organizations...please tell me why you believe the govt isnt supposed to give money to any religious group?
I believe the gov shouldn't give money to religious groups because I think of it as an implicit endorsement, and I don't believe it is the function of govt to implicitly endorse religious organizations. I think they should be separate, especially when it comes to tax dollars. It gets sticky and gray quick, but this is my belief in general.
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I believe the gov shouldn't give money to religious groups because I think of it as an implicit endorsement, and I don't believe it is the function of govt to implicitly endorse religious organizations. I think they should be separate, especially when it comes to tax dollars. It gets sticky and gray quick, but this is my belief in general.
Many religious groups do a great job at a far cheaper cost than govt at delivering aid, and doing certain tasks than if given to govt agencies without the legacy costs. Not that I agre with it, but much rather religious groups get block grants to give out aid, meals, etc, than it be done through govt agencies where we have to pay CSEA and AFSME workers union scale wages and benes for charity work.
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I believe the gov shouldn't give money to religious groups because I think of it as an implicit endorsement, and I don't believe it is the function of govt to implicitly endorse religious organizations. I think they should be separate, especially when it comes to tax dollars. It gets sticky and gray quick, but this is my belief in general.
what is that belief grounded in?
is the govt funding welfare its implicit endorsement of being a leach on society?
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What difference does it make they got some funding?
what diff does it make that PP got some funding? ;)
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Tax dollars are not to be used to support, directly or indirectly, a specific religious belief/doctrine/etc
Not really. We have an Office of Faith Based Initiatives. We use tax dollars to pay for military chaplains, churches, etc. We have taxpayer funded chaplains on the Congressional payroll. There are other "religious" organizations that get federal funding.
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what diff does it make that PP got some funding? ;)
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