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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: El Diablo Blanco on August 08, 2011, 11:57:29 AM
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I went to my Dr to have a blood test done on my hormonal levels. Before I went I cracked one off three times to really deplete my stores lol. Anyways. They called me a couple days later to tell me that my T levels were low and said they can put me on a testosterone patch or gel. I told them that I sweat a lot and would prefer an injectible, they agreed so I have my first shot this week. The doctor will administer the shots.
How many milligrams of test can I expect to get in a shot? While there I am going to ask for a prescription for anavar. Turns out my insurance will only charge me $5 for a 90 day supply of 10mg tabs at 20mg day.
I assume the test shots will be kind of low so should I expect any bodybuilding benefit? The funny thing is I am low in test but I am always horny as fuck. But my energy has been in the gutter for a while.
Also I have put on a little gut as of late. Kind of slacked on my diet. Should I start "eating clean" now or should I take advantage and try to put on some extra muscle first then diet down.
Anyone else here ever get TRT?
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Anavar script? ;D
You will be lucky to get a 200mg shot of Test every 10 days or so.
Really depends on your Doctor.
I would just train normal and see what happens. Any increase in test will make your training sessions better, might as well tighten up the diet and get the full advantage.
TRT won't do shit for bulking unless you have one of those "special" doctors. If it were me i'd take whatever you get and lean out.
Just my 2 cc.
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I have a TRT script for 200mg of Cypionate per wk. It's not enough to give me any bodybuilding type benefit but it's enough to keep me functioning like a normal human being and as I've discovered that's worth a lot.
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Im gonnna be 40 and thinking of TRT but I realize Ill have to do that the rest of my life -I dont think Im low but getting there-gonna try a cycle of Anavar first -thoughts?-
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I'm not sure messing with the bodies natural lowering of it's T levels as you get older is going to end well :-\ The body was made to have lower T levels as you get older for some reason or else you would have high T levels as you got older. Like a see saw, if unbalance it, having high T levels as your get older, another reaction might occur that isn't wanted.
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My doc prescribes 200mg Test Cyp every 5 days + a whole other load of beneficial stuff. ;D
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Im gonnna be 40 and thinking of TRT but I realize Ill have to do that the rest of my life -I dont think Im low but getting there-gonna try a cycle of Anavar first -thoughts?-
Anavar will suppress your natural testosterone production. Less than most steroids, but it's still suppressive.
I'm not sure messing with the bodies natural lowering of it's T levels as you get older is going to end well :-\ The body was made to have lower T levels as you get older for some reason or else you would have high T levels as you got older. Like a see saw, if unbalance it, having high T levels as your get older, another reaction might occur that isn't wanted.
I don't think the body was necessarily made to have low testosterone when you get older. There's several reasons low testosterone can occur....stress, body-fat, poor diet and exercise habits can all be contributing factors. However, as we age our body also simply starts wearing down. Things just don't work as well as they did when we were younger. Not to sound morbid, but we're slowly dying every day for lack of a better way to put it.
Look at it like this, the heart will wear out, and if you need a new one you can get one. Point being, if there's something available that can improve your life, something your body needs to function properly and more efficiently, why wouldn't you get it?
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I'm not sure messing with the bodies natural lowering of it's T levels as you get older is going to end well :-\ The body was made to have lower T levels as you get older for some reason or else you would have high T levels as you got older. Like a see saw, if unbalance it, having high T levels as your get older, another reaction might occur that isn't wanted.
TRT is fairly new in mainstream geriatric medicine. So you are right, there may be some unwanted side effects. However, many in the medical community feel TRT is beneficial in maintaining good health. As for the reason testosterone levels reduce as we age, it is part of the natural process of aging....but then, so is dying.
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My doc prescribes 200mg Test Cyp every 5 days + a whole other load of beneficial stuff. ;D
I like how your doctor thinks. Any chance he practices near Portland, OR?
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Nah, closer to home in Texas
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Anavar will suppress your natural testosterone production. Less than most steroids, but it's still suppressive.
I don't think the body was necessarily made to have low testosterone when you get older. There's several reasons low testosterone can occur....stress, body-fat, poor diet and exercise habits can all be contributing factors. However, as we age our body also simply starts wearing down. Things just don't work as well as they did when we were younger. Not to sound morbid, but we're slowly dying every day for lack of a better way to put it.
Look at it like this, the heart will wear out, and if you need a new one you can get one. Point being, if there's something available that can improve your life, something your body needs to function properly and more efficiently, why wouldn't you get it?
I know, I was just saying maybe our bodies need low T as we get older to cope with other things happening in our bodies we are not aware of. I would think about getting on TRT, but just long term who knows what side effects it might have. It would definitely make life more enjoyable and you would have more energy I am not going to doubt that.
TRT is fairly new in mainstream geriatric medicine. So you are right, there may be some unwanted side effects. However, many in the medical community feel TRT is beneficial in maintaining good health. As for the reason testosterone levels reduce as we age, it is part of the natural process of aging....but then, so is dying.
true, and your last comment and then so is dying LOL, funny :)
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I know, I was just saying maybe our bodies need low T as we get older to cope with other things happening in our bodies we are not aware of. I would think about getting on TRT, but just long term who knows what side effects it might have. It would definitely make life more enjoyable and you would have more energy I am not going to doubt that.
true, and your last comment and then so is dying LOL, funny :)
It has been my experience being on TRT for the past three years that it really helps me with depression. Prior to being on TRT, I took Wellbutrin XL for depression. Since being on TRT, I've not needed it....guess I traded one medication for another, huh? Regardless of which medications one takes, they all have side effects. I've also been a cholesterol reducing medication since I was in my early 40's. Statin's have side effects too....some of them not so good. Fortunately, I've not experienced them. TRT gives me a general sense of wellbeing, both mentally and physically.
It is very important to distinguish between use and abuse of medications. It seems to me that most folks who have bad sides from taking TRT, etc. do so because they are self-dosing and not being monitored by a doctor. In the past, I took D-bol as prescribed by our family doctor when I was a teenager and later when I was an adult. The dose was so small compared to what people say they take for bodybuilding purposes. I took 5 mg a day. I've read where some folks take something like 50 mg a day. Imagine, that's ten times a doctor prescribed dosage. It is only reasonable to conclude this big a dose is going to react differently in the average person's body than a much more modest dose will. Any medication overdosed can be very harmful. Take enough Aspirin and it will eat a hole in you gut.
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Anavar will suppress your natural testosterone production. Less than most steroids, but it's still suppressive.
Will I need PCT after the Var?-
Im holding off on test for a bit unless its low-because Im a moody person-_Im a teacher LOL and Im looking to cut and maintain and a big part is my constant injuries and wearing down between heavy lifting and grappling-I need the collagen synthesis aspect and Im def not going on Deca -at least not now-but I feel that after many years of natural training my body is breaking down and if I wanna continue I need a little aid-I already have kids and now its time to focus on myself a little -will HRT have some harmful effects?-Oh well! because the rate Im going and the arthritis in my family I d rather make myself stronger as ageing is not fun -Ill keep people updated-Im around 200 lbs-around 12% bf and much bigger than the avg person-and with functional muscle as well-(boxing BJJ etc)=thx for the help
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I know, I was just saying maybe our bodies need low T as we get older to cope with other things happening in our bodies we are not aware of. I would think about getting on TRT, but just long term who knows what side effects it might have. It would definitely make life more enjoyable and you would have more energy I am not going to doubt that.
true, and your last comment and then so is dying LOL, funny :)
I understand what you're saying, but when you look at the symptoms of low testosterone, and then the possible effects of low testosterone if left ignored, it's hard to argue against TRT.
Regardless of how old we get, the basic functions of our body do not change, we still require the same things to properly function.
Anyway, I always think these two list help. List one, symptoms of low testosterone, list two, possible effects if low testosterone is ignored:
Symptoms:
• Decline or Loss of Libido
• Erectile Dysfunction
• Loss of Muscle Mass
• Loss of Strength
• Increased Body-Fat
• Loss of Energy
• Loss of Concentration
• Depression
• Insomnia
Effects:
• Diabetes
• High Cholesterol
• Alzheimer's or any Loss of Memory
• Anxiety
• Hair-Loss
• Osteoporosis
• Infertility
• Polyuria (Frequent Urination)
• Frequent or Constant Soreness, Aches & Pains in the Muscle Tissue
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Anavar will suppress your natural testosterone production. Less than most steroids, but it's still suppressive.
Will I need PCT after the Var?-
Im holding off on test for a bit unless its low-because Im a moody person-_Im a teacher LOL and Im looking to cut and maintain and a big part is my constant injuries and wearing down between heavy lifting and grappling-I need the collagen synthesis aspect and Im def not going on Deca -at least not now-but I feel that after many years of natural training my body is breaking down and if I wanna continue I need a little aid-I already have kids and now its time to focus on myself a little -will HRT have some harmful effects?-Oh well! because the rate Im going and the arthritis in my family I d rather make myself stronger as ageing is not fun -Ill keep people updated-Im around 200 lbs-around 12% bf and much bigger than the avg person-and with functional muscle as well-(boxing BJJ etc)=thx for the help
It would be nice if you knew what your test levels were before you started. As far as needing PCT, it's hard to say for certain since we don't know what your current levels are. Anavar won't suppress your levels as much as a lot of other steroids, more than most people think though. If you're still in a good range but on the low side, after a 6-8wk course of Anavar your test levels will be sub-par....there's no way around this. If you're naturally not close to the bottom end of a suitable range, although Anavar will lower your levels you might be OK....but I would be willing to bet no matter where you are naturally your test levels will be on the low side of things once you discontinue Anavar use.
For the record, based on the things you mentioned, 200mg of Testosterone-Cypioante per wk will do far more for you than a small course of Anavar. The problems you mentioned will be vastly improved upon and there is absolutely no way on this earth you could have some sort of aggression problem with this unless you have some sort of aggression problem to begin with.
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It has been my experience being on TRT for the past three years that it really helps me with depression. Prior to being on TRT, I took Wellbutrin XL for depression. Since being on TRT, I've not needed it....guess I traded one medication for another, huh? Regardless of which medications one takes, they all have side effects. I've also been a cholesterol reducing medication since I was in my early 40's. Statin's have side effects too....some of them not so good. Fortunately, I've not experienced them. TRT gives me a general sense of wellbeing, both mentally and physically.
It is very important to distinguish between use and abuse of medications. It seems to me that most folks who have bad sides from taking TRT, etc. do so because they are self-dosing and not being monitored by a doctor. In the past, I took D-bol as prescribed by our family doctor when I was a teenager and later when I was an adult. The dose was so small compared to what people say they take for bodybuilding purposes. I took 5 mg a day. I've read where some folks take something like 50 mg a day. Imagine, that's ten times a doctor prescribed dosage. It is only reasonable to conclude this big a dose is going to react differently in the average person's body than a much more modest dose will. Any medication overdosed can be very harmful. Take enough Aspirin and it will eat a hole in you gut.
good post prime, I really don't have a reply, you have left me speechless. Good info on TRT, and good info all around with that post.
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I understand what you're saying, but when you look at the symptoms of low testosterone, and then the possible effects of low testosterone if left ignored, it's hard to argue against TRT.
Regardless of how old we get, the basic functions of our body do not change, we still require the same things to properly function.
Anyway, I always think these two list help. List one, symptoms of low testosterone, list two, possible effects if low testosterone is ignored:
Symptoms:
• Decline or Loss of Libido
• Erectile Dysfunction
• Loss of Muscle Mass
• Loss of Strength
• Increased Body-Fat
• Loss of Energy
• Loss of Concentration
• Depression
• Insomnia
Effects:
• Diabetes
• High Cholesterol
• Alzheimer's or any Loss of Memory
• Anxiety
• Hair-Loss
• Osteoporosis
• Infertility
• Polyuria (Frequent Urination)
• Frequent or Constant Soreness, Aches & Pains in the Muscle Tissue
Looking at that list I would choose the second one lol, your probably right TRT is better option. All meds do have side effects like prime said above. I wonder how long the current people on trt and gh anti aging will live?
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It would be nice if you knew what your test levels were before you started. As far as needing PCT, it's hard to say for certain since we don't know what your current levels are. Anavar won't suppress your levels as much as a lot of other steroids, more than most people think though. If you're still in a good range but on the low side, after a 6-8wk course of Anavar your test levels will be sub-par....there's no way around this. If you're naturally not close to the bottom end of a suitable range, although Anavar will lower your levels you might be OK....but I would be willing to bet no matter where you are naturally your test levels will be on the low side of things once you discontinue Anavar use.
For the record, based on the things you mentioned, 200mg of Testosterone-Cypioante per wk will do far more for you than a small course of Anavar. The problems you mentioned will be vastly improved upon and there is absolutely no way on this earth you could have some sort of aggression problem with this unless you have some sort of aggression problem to begin with.
. You're right. I am gonna get them checked before. In curious anyway. Maybe I'll do the var after. So test is good for joints? Will I get bulkier. I don't want much bulk. Thx
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some people complain about the doctor not prescribing high enough doses of test but the doctor is trying to be careful because high test levels in older men men increases the risk of Testicular cancer...
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What is the avg HRT dose of test?
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What is the avg HRT dose of test?
Depends on the doctor, 200 to 250 every 10 to 30 days.
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. You're right. I am gonna get them checked before. In curious anyway. Maybe I'll do the var after. So test is good for joints? Will I get bulkier. I don't want much bulk. Thx
You'll only get as bulky as you want to get....that'll have more to do with food than the steroids you use. People diet with test all the time, if you see a ripped guy on the cover of a magazine he's supplementing with test.
As for your joints, it's not going to lube them or anything, it's not going to force water into the joints. A lot of guys seem to think certain steroids will force water into the joints, I'm not saying you're one of these people but the idea is retarded. It's as possible as saying 2+2 = diaper. Your joints should feel a little better though simply because your body will be running in a far more optimal way, your recovery will be better and so on.
What is the avg HRT dose of test?
Average high end dose in the U.S. is 200mg/wk. Some doctors will strecht this out to every ten days, some every 14, but you can find plenty that go with the 200mg/wk.
some people complain about the doctor not prescribing high enough doses of test but the doctor is trying to be careful because high test levels in older men men increases the risk of Testicular cancer...
There's no evidence of this. There have been some doctors that have speculated but there's never been any proof. Further, some have said it can lead to prostate problems, and this is true, but the prostate would have to already be inflamed, and levels would necessarily need to get fairly high to do any damage.
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Looking at that list I would choose the second one Lol, your probably right TRT is better option. All meds do have side effects like prime said above. I wonder how long the current people on trt and gh anti aging will live?
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Not that I think TRT or GH will necessarily shorten ones life. I suggest a better question would be something along the lines of quality of life verses quantity. Personally, I'd rather live well and live less then live long and live miserably.
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Not that I think TRT or GH will necessarily shorten ones life. I suggest a better question would be something along the lines of quality of life verses quantity. Personally, I'd rather live well and live less then live long and live miserably.
I was meaning are they going to live to be like 150 years old with the test/gh reasonable dose? I didn't mean shorter lifespan. Yes I agree, I would take shorter life with better quality over quantity any day.
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I think I always had low t :-[
Should I stay on forever? I'm only 26. :-\
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I think I always had low t :-[
Should I stay on forever? I'm only 26. :-\
TRT is not a cure for low testosterone. There is no cure, as far as I know. Generally speaking, if ones testosterone levels are low enough that their doctor feels they need to go on TRT, they will be on TRT for the rest of their lives. As soon as one stops TRT, their testosterone levels decrease. Eventually, they will be right back to where they were before starting TRT and maybe lower yet.
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You'll only get as bulky as you want to get....that'll have more to do with food than the steroids you use. People diet with test all the time, if you see a ripped guy on the cover of a magazine he's supplementing with test. --AND GH ! LOL
As for your joints, it's not going to lube them or anything, it's not going to force water into the joints. A lot of guys seem to think certain steroids will force water into the joints, I'm not saying you're one of these people but the idea is retarded. It's as possible as saying 2+2 = diaper.
Im looking for the collagen synthesis help aspect of AAS-gonna go to the TRT guy soon and at least see my levels-I dont wanna supress it with anavar first-maybe test base first
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hey guys a little update-I went to the HRT guy today-explained my age and injuries moods etc-got a 300 mg shot of test cyp-ill be getting a 400 mg shot every two weeks-not too shabby -and insurance covers it-ill do the anavar after I see what progress I make on the test alone-thx for the help-I feel better already LOL-I was natural as long as I could-natural was starting to make me feel old and broken :o
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hey guys a little update-I went to the HRT guy today-explained my age and injuries moods etc-got a 300 mg shot of test cyp-ill be getting a 400 mg shot every two weeks-not too shabby -and insurance covers it-ill do the anavar after I see what progress I make on the test alone-thx for the help-I feel better already LOL-I was natural as long as I could-natural was starting to make me feel old and broken :o
There is a big difference between needing HRT and taking tons of steroids just to build more muscle. As you pointed out, you feel better already. I'd be interested to know if you experience any lows between shots. Keep us posted. Just so you know, I was on once every three week HRT @ 300 mg. I didn't experience lows between shots. I'm guessing not everyone does.
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Are you still on HRT?-it was an interesting discussion-the paperwork I received talked all about this subject and the Dr himself has written literature abt test replacement-inbox me if you wanna know the site-the Dr also put down most supplements even the vitamins except from a pharmacy as most supplements have crap in them -he said DHEA as well-so cutting down on protein powders and using more liquid egg white-the paperwork also put down GH therapy as it it has neg effects-Im sure Gh does but its also a unbeleivable drug-but I cant afford that anyway-Ill keep everyone posted-gonna try to diet pretty well even though its winter and holiday season..
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Are you still on HRT?-it was an interesting discussion-the paperwork I received talked all about this subject and the Dr himself has written literature abt test replacement-inbox me if you wanna know the site-the Dr also put down most supplements even the vitamins except from a pharmacy as most supplements have crap in them -he said DHEA as well-so cutting down on protein powders and using more liquid egg white-the paperwork also put down GH therapy as it it has neg effects-Im sure Gh does but its also a unbeleivable drug-but I cant afford that anyway-Ill keep everyone posted-gonna try to diet pretty well even though its winter and holiday season..
Yes I continue the HRT. Presently, I self inject 150 mg a week, every Thursday morning. The prescription, which is for a three month's supply of Testosterone Cypionate, is covered by my medical insurance with the exception of a small co-pay of about $16.
In addition to this I also take a variety of supplements and vitamins, including DHEA. I eat fairly clean. On days that I work out, I add in a protein supplement. Otherwise, I just shoot for a balanced diet with a fair level of protein from a variety of sources in it.
To insure I am keeping the E-2 in check, I take .25 mg of Arimidex every other day. On the Tuesday and Wednesday, I inject HCG. This is to keep my balls functioning well. The amount I inject varies from time to time. Currently, I am injecting 1,000 mg each day. At other times I drop this down to 250 mg on each of the two days.
My recent lab work indicated my PSA numbers were unusually high. My doctor seems concerned that it could mean prostate cancer. He did a biopsy about a year ago and my prostate was clear of any cancer at that time. I'm not as concerned as he is. There are a number of reasons why one's PSA goes up. I'll do another lab in a few weeks to see if it has come down. Of course, should it be cancer, the doctor will discontinue the HRT because it is not advised in that situation.
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Will I need to take anti E and HCG with my HRT dose? Im glad we can talk aobut this-are you around my age? thx
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Will I need to take anti E and HCG with my HRT dose? Im glad we can talk aobut this-are you around my age? thx
Here is a link to a Yahoo Group for people who are on or thinking about being on HRT: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/hypogonadism2/?yguid=38104518 (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/hypogonadism2/?yguid=38104518)
Here is a link to a website which contains a wealth of information about hypogonadism: http://www.allthingsmale.com/index.html (http://www.allthingsmale.com/index.html)
You can speak with your doctor about adding anti E and HCG. Some doctors are better versed in treating guys with hypogonadism than others. My doctor doesn't believe there should be any issues with E-2 or otherwise. In fact, I cannot even get him prescribe lab work to check my E-2 levels. I added these two things because of what I learned through the two resources I mentioned above.
I am old enough to be your father, but we can still talk. :) Hypogonadism is not just something that happens with age, young men can suffer from it too. As I remember back, I don't believe my doctors ever checked my testosterone levels until I brought it up when I was probably already in my 50's. For all I know, it may have been low my entire adult life.
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LOL Im glad youre enjoying the HRT-I think its something that can help many things not just for guys who train-lots of middle aged problems I hope to avoid besides my training goals-thx for the info
Let me ask you-what does the low feel like when Im approaching my next shot-strength/ energy/ mood?
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LOL Im glad youre enjoying the HRT-I think its something that can help many things not just for guys who train-lots of middle aged problems I hope to avoid besides my training goals-thx for the info
Let me ask you-what does the low feel like when Im approaching my next shot-strength/ energy/ mood?
I have not personally experienced any lows since starting HRT. The main thing that has changed for me is that my mood is brighter. Before I began HRT I took an anti-depressant. Since being on HRT I've stopped taking the anti-depressant and I feel fine....no depression.
From what other fellows have posted, some guys do believe they have low periods between injections. Their symptoms are varied. I think everyone responds differently to medications. One of the things other folks have reported is that they feel tired and sometimes depressed. Another issue is that they lose interest in sex or their libido is low. Some fellows have problems with ED.
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A friend I train with grappling and boxing also started this week. Both our moods are better and hurt less already. My aches are there but numbed a lot. Keep you posted. He might be given 450mg every other week. He's a few years older
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A friend I train with grappling and boxing also started this week. Both our moods are better and hurt less already. My aches are there but numbed a lot. Keep you posted. He might be given 450mg every other week. He's a few years older
I'd be interested to know how much total and free testosterone his labs show he has on this high a dose. My total testosterone in over 1,000 which is considered excessive and my dose is much less at 150 a week.
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Wow your levels are high. I hope mine get that high lol. As for dosages they'll have to be monitored. I don't think doc wants levels over 1000
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Each time one does their labs the results can vary quite a bit. Testosterone levels are generally highest in the morning. Yes, my total testosterone was high in these last labs. Other times, it has been around 700. Prior to HRT, my lab results showed my total testosterone at barely over 300. 300 or better is considered normal for a man my age. However, the thinking today is that one should maintain testosterone levels closer to what they should be for a guy in his twenties. Actually, HRT therapy is a relatively new science.
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Makes sense to restore to 20 yr old status as at 30 the test and GH levels start to go-and then you see lethargic men around and cant lose weight unless strict-lots due to low test levels making a slower metabolism-I will appreaciate technology and do this until Im old plus I may cycle a little too with Anavar and maybe some other oral
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btw I see lots or people saying that every other week isnt as good as weekly-I have no choice really-does it matter?
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btw I see lots or people saying that every other week isnt as good as weekly-I have no choice really-does it matter?
Wait and see. Surely, your doctor can set you up to self inject on a weekly basis if that ends up being the best plan. In the meantime, you may do fine with the bi-monthy injections.
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Each time one does their labs the results can vary quite a bit. Testosterone levels are generally highest in the morning. Yes, my total testosterone was high in these last labs. Other times, it has been around 700. Prior to HRT, my lab results showed my total testosterone at barely over 300. 300 or better is considered normal for a man my age. However, the thinking today is that one should maintain testosterone levels closer to what they should be for a guy in his twenties. Actually, HRT therapy is a relatively new science.
are you getting better erections with such high levels of test?
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I think this Dr will only administer in office no Rx-well maybe later on idk
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are you getting better erections with such high levels of test?
Better, but not as good as I would like. Mostly, I have greatly improved nighttime and early morning erections. Maybe it is like the old saw that one's penis is never big enough no matter how big it is. I have such a long history with ED that I suspect some of the problem with my ED is in my head. Truthfully, I am not that interested in sex these days anyway. It's not like I am looking to find some young thing to get it on with or anything....so, it's all good either way.
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I've was prescribed TRT a few years back. Very low test, like 170. I felt better right away. I did not recomp right away, but as time went by, I lost a lot of bf%. I was lucky to find a Dr. who would help out a lot. Deca for joint pain, var for the same and he will prescribe other stuff too as long as there is a medical justifcation. I think that between getting sleep apnea under control, and the trt, my quality of life has improved greatly. It also opened up a world to me that I knew nothing about.
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WOW Deca and Var too-nice DR! lol-hey guys I have been getting intense sexual dreams since that first shot of test-last night the Bj dream of my wife who was right next to me was incredible-the other night it was some Brazilian..-did not wanna wake up!
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Ok so the results are back-all levels good except urea nitrogen is slightly high-any thoughts why? My total testosterone is 294! wow I feel old as I thought it would be at least 400-500-my free test is 63-Im a little confused at what that means-anyway still on the 400 mg test cyp biweekly-Im not sure when to start the Anavar cycle-maybe wait a month or two?
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Ok so the results are back-all levels good except urea nitrogen is slightly high-any thoughts why? My total testosterone is 294! wow I feel old as I thought it would be at least 400-500-my free test is 63-Im a little confused at what that means-anyway still on the 400 mg test cyp biweekly-Im not sure when to start the Anavar cycle-maybe wait a month or two?
Think of the free testosterone as the usable testosterone levels. 294 is very low. What did your doctor say about this? Also what did he say regarding the percentage of free test? Perhaps you should also have your E-2 levels checked. You could be converting what little testosterone you have to estrogen.
I am no doctor, but from what I have learned about testosterone levels, at your age your lab results are a concern. Are you even horny at all?
I don't mean to alarm. Frankly it is good that you have discovered this as soon as you did. I suspect my testosterone was very low for most of my adult life. I cannot remember when I have not had issues with ED. For more years than I wish I could remember, I thought my problem with ED was just in my head, only to find out when I am an old man that it was because of hypogonadism.
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Im glad I went to HRT Dr too lol-I have all levels checked including the estrogen -all good-anyway Im surprised that they were that low cause I still have good natural physique strength and decent sex life-Sex has been a little weird as I have kids ages 5 and 4 and we cant just do it-has to be scheduled which in itself isnt fun at times-but I have to say sex hasnt been a priority at times but thats also because of a personal reason-inbox me if interested lol-well Im glad im getting the 400mg-seems like a good dose-my moods are def better too-and injuries are feeling better-I am gonna look good this summer
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btw they said according to a regular DR my levels are borderline and nothing to be concerned with and prob wouldnt even give me HRT! thats how close minded they are-Im glad I found this Dr-funny how the nurse is a yoga teacher I know-hot older woman-she takes some test for rheumatoid arthritis
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Male Androgen Levels in an Unhealthy Population
Depending on the lab your doctor uses, male testosterone levels typically range between 250ng/dl and 850 ng/dl.
As you may well imagine, these ranges are not set to optimal levels. They are a cross section of men aged 20 to 100; many sick and diseased, from a lifetime of unhealthy habits.
So when your blood work arrives and your doctor refuses treatment due to your "normal" testosterone levels, when it's actually somewhere closer to the bottom of the range, then a gentle reminder of optimal health may be in order.
If you kindly point out you have the T levels of a sick 90 year old, maybe he/she will come around.
Emphasize Low Testosterone Symptoms
If your doctor is stubborn, or doesn't like their patients being active participants in their own healthcare... you may be better off emphasizing your symptoms that are more specific to low testosterone.
Noting a loss of sex drive, development of impotence, or reduced muscle mass and strength should give any knowledgeable doctor a red flag that T levels aren't on par.
Depression, fatigue, and loss of motivation are also commonly caused by low testosterone. Unfortunately many doctors would rather prescribe an antidepressant than bring back to normal a natural substance your body already makes.
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Im glad I went to HRT Dr too lol-I have all levels checked including the estrogen -all good-anyway Im surprised that they were that low cause I still have good natural physique strength and decent sex life-Sex has been a little weird as I have kids ages 5 and 4 and we cant just do it-has to be scheduled which in itself isnt fun at times-but I have to say sex hasnt been a priority at times but thats also because of a personal reason-inbox me if interested lol-well Im glad im getting the 400mg-seems like a good dose-my moods are def better too-and injuries are feeling better-I am gonna look good this summer
Did you ever check out the link I posted before? If not, here it is again: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/hypogonadism2/?yguid=38104518 (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/hypogonadism2/?yguid=38104518)
I feel the posts made here cover a lot of the questions that come up when dealing with hypogonadism and TRT. There are also links to other resources in this group.
As for scheduling your sex life, I am not sure I agree with this. However, I am not in your situation and your and your wife's sexual arrangements are personal. I will say that spontaneity can be something of an aphrodisiac. Obviously, little kids can get in the way of spontaneity sometimes.
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I will check out the link ty-well the spontaneity is Zero! something I have to accept-and my wife works full time and is tired a lot-but sex is still good-I also talk to a few women on line and that turns me on too LOL-I saw somewhere that test levels of a married father are the lowest! the HUNT isnt there anymore-maybe thats the reason..I have a feeling that I may have had low test for a while as well-slight ED and moods-but I always trained hard so I bet that helped
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Think of the free testosterone as the usable testosterone levels. 294 is very low. What did your doctor say about this? Also what did he say regarding the percentage of free test? Perhaps you should also have your E-2 levels checked. You could be converting what little testosterone you have to estrogen.
I am no doctor, but from what I have learned about testosterone levels, at your age your lab results are a concern. Are you even horny at all?
I don't mean to alarm. Frankly it is good that you have discovered this as soon as you did. I suspect my testosterone was very low for most of my adult life. I cannot remember when I have not had issues with ED. For more years than I wish I could remember, I thought my problem with ED was just in my head, only to find out when I am an old man that it was because of hypogonadism.
I agree with you, 294 is definitely a poor total testosterone reading, but it may not be low enough to warrant therapy...at least not in the eyes of many doctors. As I'm sure you know, 300ng/dl is considered the range most doctors will say total test has to fall below in-order to deem therapy necessary, and because 294 is so close I'd be willing to bet there are tons of doctors who would say that's close enough to keep a testosterone prescription out of someones hands. It's a messed up system and it really pisses me off.
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Yup and a regular Dr wouldnt give it to me and probably bash my therapy -and prescrbie me an antidepressant that would make me fat-and some cortisone for joints
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The Dr also says that the free test count is more important to look at and mine was in range in a normal count as below 40 is bad-mine was 63-but he says below 90 is low-so basically the total test #s that everyone posts is not an accurate reading as lot of it is attached to globulin etc
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The Dr also says that the free test count is more important to look at and mine was in range in a normal count as below 40 is bad-mine was 63-but he says below 90 is low-so basically the total test #s that everyone posts is not an accurate reading as lot of it is attached to globulin etc
That's funny, the doctor I see for my TRT told me free test was meaningless compared to total test. Not that free test is meaningless itself, but that it's not as important as free test. He said if your total test is low that's all that matters. Of course, I see a hormone specialist, a general practice doctor will more than likely have a very different opinion.
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Ill take both meaurements into consideration and I blame domestication, 8) father hood and estrogen in the environment for my low test levels LOL