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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Benny B on September 13, 2011, 02:29:06 PM
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Un-fucking believable. And these yahoos want America to continue to be a great country? Great countries treat their citizens with compassion and provide benefits for their people. No other 1st world nation on the planet is this retarded.
Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
By Rachel Rose Hartman | The Ticket
If you're uninsured and on the brink of death, that's apparently a laughing matter to some audience members at last night's tea party Republican presidential debate.
Texas Rep. Ron Paul, a doctor, was asked a hypothetical question by CNN host Wolf Blitzer about how society should respond if a healthy 30-year-old man who decided against buying health insurance suddenly goes into a coma and requires intensive care for six months. Paul--a fierce limited-government advocate-- said it shouldn't be the government's responsibility. "That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks," Paul said and was drowned out by audience applause as he added, "this whole idea that you have to prepare to take care of everybody …"
"Are you saying that society should just let him die?" Blitzer pressed Paul. And that's when the audience got involved.
Several loud cheers of "yeah!" followed by laughter could be heard in the Expo Hall at the Florida State Fairgrounds in response to Blitzer's question.
Paul disagreed with the audience on that front. "No," he responded, noting he practiced medicine before Medicaid when churches took care of medical costs--a comment that drew wide audience applause. "We never turned anybody away from the hospital."
Paul voiced support for legalizing alternative health care and argued that the reason medical costs have skyrocketed is that individuals have stopped taking personal responsibility for their health care.
Though Paul spoke to the larger issues of health care and government-backed health insurance--both pivotal in the 2012 election--the audience's reaction has overshadowed the substance of the exchange between the candidates. And the day after the event, Texas Gov. Rick Perry offered his own criticism of the audience response.
"I was a bit taken aback by that myself," Perry told NBC News and the Miami Herald of the audience reaction after appearing at a breakfast fundraiser in Tampa Tuesday morning.
"We're the party of life. We ought to be coming up with ways to save lives."
The campaigns for Mitt Romney and Michele Bachmann did not immediately respond to The Ticket's request for comment.
Conservative Andrew Sullivan writing for The Daily Beast's The Dish Tuesday noted that the United States obligates society to save someone in an emergency room. "America, moreover, has a law on the books that makes it a crime not to treat and try to save a human being who walks into an emergency room. So we have already made that collective decision and if the GOP wants to revisit it, they can," Sullivan wrote.
Sullivan also decried the audience reaction, writing: "Maybe a tragedy like the death of a feckless twentysomething is inevitable if we are to restrain healthcare costs. But it is still a tragedy. It is not something a decent person cheers."
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All class.
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It is not something a decent person cheers."[/b]
im pretty conservative, but this is the truth. i have had this discussion with some people i know, who have this idea that its 'not my problem' if someone else cant pay a medical bill and gets turned down for treatment. i ask 'so your if your daughter needs intensive treatment, and will slowly die if you cant pay, you're ok with the doctor saying GTFO because you cant pay?' i always ask in front of their wife and kids, to see how they squirm when their family stares at them waiting for an answer.
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Tea Party Crowd Cheers Letting Uninsured Die
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im pretty conservative, but this is the truth. i have had this discussion with some people i know, who have this idea that its 'not my problem' if someone else cant pay a medical bill and gets turned down for treatment. i ask 'so your if your daughter needs intensive treatment, and will slowly die if you cant pay, you're ok with the doctor saying GTFO because you cant pay?' i always ask in front of their wife and kids, to see how they squirm when their family stares at them waiting for an answer.
Can we afford to treat all people all the time no matter what their ailment, no matter what the cost?
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Can we afford to treat all people all the time no matter what their ailment, no matter what the cost?
Death Panels?
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Death Panels?
No, basic math, something apparently the do gooders can't do.
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Can we afford to treat all people all the time no matter what their ailment, no matter what the cost?
as i alluded to, its a very easy thing to say when it isnt YOUR loved ones who need the treatment.
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Can we afford to treat all people all the time no matter what their ailment, no matter what the cost?
Single Payer would provide a 400 Billion Dollar savings a year. This is actually the most fiscally Conservative Health Plan.
So yes, we can afford to treat ever ailment with Single Payer as it would be a gigantic SAVINGS over every other Healthcare system.
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Death Panels?
Total nonsense. Just like all that birther idiocy, you don't talk about, anymore. Being dumb is one thing. Showing up every day to defend your title is another. Read a book.
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Total nonsense. Just like all that birther idiocy, you don't talk about, anymore. Being dumb is one thing. Showing up every day to defend your title is another. Read a book.
No Getbigger reads books. :D :D
It's like kryptonite to us. :D
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Total nonsense. Just like all that birther idiocy, you don't talk about, anymore. Being dumb is one thing. Showing up every day to defend your title is another. Read a book.
I ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION.
Why should taxpayers pay millions and millions of dollars to keep someone on a ventilator for years on end who is not coming out of the coma?
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I ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION.
Why should taxpayers pay millions and millions of dollars to keep someone on a ventilator for years on end who is not coming out of the coma?
and i asked you, what if it was YOUR wife/daughter/long time companion in that situation? you ok with telling them, your friends (lol), your whole family, etc.?
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and i asked you, what if it was YOUR wife/daughter/long time companion in that situation? you ok with telling them, your friends (lol), your whole family, etc.?
Yes, its not about emotions, but reality. Call me heartless, but I dont think its right forcing my neighbor to pay for millions and millions of dollars in an utterly helpless situation.
its why we are broke and heading to the abyss in this nation.
www.usdebtclock.com
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I ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION.
Why should taxpayers pay millions and millions of dollars to keep someone on a ventilator for years on end who is not coming out of the coma?
Because it would save 400 Billion Dollars a year if we went to a Single Payer system and everyone would be covered from Birth to Death no matter what.
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I don't see what the issue is? If someone has the choice to get medical coverage and flat out refuses to get it, then who's responsibility is it to foot the bill?
It's no different than buying car insurance. If I get in a car accident and wreck my car ...and don't have insurance, I"m fucked and responsible for the big repair bill.
That's the problem with you fucking pussies. You think the government should protect you from cradle to the grave. It's not the government's responsibility to be your fucking voice that tells you right from wrong.
What is the incentive for people to buy insurance if the outcome is the same if they refuse it? >>>THERE IS NONE
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Total nonsense. Just like all that birther idiocy, you don't talk about, anymore. Being dumb is one thing. Showing up every day to defend your title is another. Read a book.
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Check your PMs, bro. 8)
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If they opt out, it's a gamble they took, and lost. Then it's time for the churches with their multi million dollar buildings and tax free money to step in and help out, not the governments job. Plus, I thought we had a god who answered prayers and healed the sick??
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I'm surprised they could get Wolf Blitzer detached from Obama's nutsack long enough to moderate the debate.
The entire media, left and right, has become a farce.
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If they opt out, it's a gamble they took, and lost. Then it's time for the churches with their multi million dollar buildings and tax free money to step in and help out, not the governments job. Plus, I thought we had a god who answered prayers and healed the sick??
Right on.
I don't see what the fucking issue is? If I don't pay my homeowner's insurance and then my house burns down, shouldn't the government be responsible to rebuild my house or at least foot my bill at a hotel forever? ...I'm just following the logic here of these assclowns who are on board with this idea of government assistance.
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Speaking of dying...Benny. The poverty rate hit a new all time record today. Good job Obama Benny is proud of you.
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There used to be people who would drive by the bread lines during the Depression so they could spit on the needy as they waited for their rations. Good to see that 'Christian' ideals like compassion are absent here at Getbig. ::)
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I ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION.
Why should taxpayers pay millions and millions of dollars to keep someone on a ventilator for years on end who is not coming out of the coma?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/bryan-stow-medical-costs.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/bryan-stow-medical-costs.html)
Medical costs for Bryan Stow to exceed $50 million, attorney says :o :o
for a veggie ???
this of course is for lawsuit purpose against MLB and Dodgers even thou it was the hoodlums that busted his brain in half
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Speaking of dying...Benny. The poverty rate hit a new all time record today. Good job Obama Benny is proud of you.
Its not a record. Its just the lowest since 1993. The Private Sector has been doing dick lately, relying on the Government to give them the kick in the ass.
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They should have posed that question a little differently. For example, what if someone wants health insurance but was just laid off from their job and cannot afford COBRA. Then while in the process of trying to find a new job, they are diagnosed with cancer. What should be done in this situation?
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They should have posed that question a little differently. For example, what if someone wants health insurance but was just laid off from their job and cannot afford COBRA. Then while in the process of trying to find a new job, they are diagnosed with cancer. What should be done in this situation?
Ron Poop would go tell you to beg from a local church or ask your Neighbor. Thats how fucking stupid he is.
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I don't see what the issue is? If someone has the choice to get medical coverage and flat out refuses to get it, then who's responsibility is it to foot the bill?
It's no different than buying car insurance. If I get in a car accident and wreck my car ...and don't have insurance, I"m fucked and responsible for the big repair bill.
That's the problem with you fucking pussies. You think the government should protect you from cradle to the grave. It's not the government's responsibility to be your fucking voice that tells you right from wrong.
What is the incentive for people to buy insurance if the outcome is the same if they refuse it? >>>THERE IS NONE
this is the truth. if you dont want to pay the premium for insurance, then its on you! not society to take cause of your cheap ass. fuck wolf blitzer
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this is the truth. if you dont want to pay the premium for insurance, then its on you! not society to take cause of your cheap ass. fuck wolf blitzer
But what if it is someone who wants to pay the premium but just doesn't have the means at that given time, or someone who has a pre-existing condition and cannot obtain coverage?
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But what if it is someone who wants to pay the premium but just doesn't have the means at that given time, or someone who has a pre-existing condition and cannot obtain coverage?
Fuck'em. Dying is no reason to not pay.
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Fuck'em. Dying is no reason to not pay.
Hi Methyl Mike. :D
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Hi Methyl Mike. :D
*Hic* Cheers, Dougie! ;D
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Ron Poop would go tell you to beg from a local church or ask your Neighbor. Thats how fucking stupid he is.
About as stupid as a president proposing permanent tax increases to pay for temporary spending....... ::)
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title speaks for itself, heartless fools, and they were accusing Obama of death panels LOL this is just admitting they want death panels, what hypocrites and for the record Obama would never have death panels, he has a heart and compassion unlike these money hungry idiots.
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Its not a record. Its just the lowest since 1993. The Private Sector has been doing dick lately, relying on the Government to give them the kick in the ass.
The Government is the problem.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/13/us-usa-economy-poverty-idUSTRE78C3YV20110913
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Ron Poop would go tell you to beg from a local church or ask your Neighbor. Thats how fucking stupid he is.
I thought you supported him at one point.
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I thought you supported him at one point.
Never.
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Are you a registered Democrat?