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Rampage did a lot better than I thought. I mean, it went to the 4th round, and Rampage managed to hurt Jones, something that no fighter has done before...
And how huge is Jones? Holy shit, Rampage looked like a child next to him. He should move to the heavyweight division and fight with Cain for the heavyweight belt. He is a heavyweight beating up on light-heavyweights. Quinton is a warrior and gave Jones his toughest fight yet.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Rampage had zero offense
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Jones hardly dominated him, especially when you consider that Rampage relied almost entirely on striking while his reach was SO much less.
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rampage got fucked up!
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Coach really screwed Rampage up with his training program of pushing trucks and pushing a tire across a parking lot.
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Those stamp kicks to the Knee, quads and the inside thigh kicks are a head fuck for anyone to deal with as it frustrates the hell out of you very very Smart young fighter took the bull apart bit...by bit...by bit
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as one dimensional as rampage is claimed to be he was not dominated nowhere close to jones recent opponents. Not even close. That says a lot (esp. if you are in the fight game)
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Jones hardly dominated him, especially when you consider that Rampage relied almost entirely on striking while his reach was SO much less.
Yes, exactly. When you factor in the difference in size, strength and reach, Jones was hardly better than Rampage on the stand-up. If they were the same size and had the same reach, Rampage might have KOd him. I repeat: Jones is a heavyweight beating up on light-heavyweights. He should be fighting guys with his size and reach. I would love to see him fight Overeem, a guy with an equal reach to him and K-1 World champion and watch him get KTFO.
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Jones beat Page. Sorry SMM. Make all the excuses you want. We've heard them all. Your boy LOST. ANd just when was Bones hurt by Page? You're on crack bro.
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Rampage had zero offense
It's hard to have offense when the guy you're fighting against has arms and legs that are literally twice as long as yours.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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all that talk rampage talked was nothing lol what a typical thug
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It's hard to have offense when the guy you're fighting against has arms and legs that are literally twice as long as yours.
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yes... Genetic advantage for Jones... But Jones is more talented too
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STFU "outby43" i didn't train him this time. Besides he was in great shape. Next time you speak, know what you're speaking about. (Kids)
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It's hard to have offense when the guy you're fighting against has arms and legs that are literally twice as long as yours.
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But at the very least, stop making excuses for him..
Rampage talked shit at the press conference. Jones went in there and allowed for his skills to speak louder than useless words. Jones SCHOOLED Rampage, so much so that RAMPAGE had to admit at the end that he held his head in shame due to the ass whooping and stated very clearly that the kid is here to stay due to his skills.
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I think Rashad will give Bones trouble. Just saying that now.
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Coach really screwed Rampage up with his training program of pushing trucks and pushing a tire across a parking lot.
lolz
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Even though Jones' reach was longer Rampage trained for that by having Kongo as a sparring partner. It's an advantage because Kongo has the same height and reach as Jones plus Kongo is 35lbs heavier than Jones. Jones has a lot of skills.
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Jones beat Page. Sorry SMM. Make all the excuses you want. We've heard them all. Your boy LOST. ANd just when was Bones hurt by Page? You're on crack bro.
Coltrane, what the hell are you talking about? I predicted that Jones would win. But Rampage did a lot better than I thought. It went to the 4th round and Jones didn't dominate Rampage in the stand-up which is incredible considering the huge advantage he has over Rampage in size and reach. Had they the same reach, I could see Rampage clipping him.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Stop making excuses about too long of limbs and being a HW etc. He makes weight and that's all that matters. Anything else is just petty excuse.
Who do you have with Bones vs. Evans?
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An 11" reach advantage is huge. I have Jones to beat Rashad.
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But at the very least, stop making excuses for him..
What excuses? It is a fact that Jones has a ridiculous reach. His reach is too much even for a 6'4 guy. I am 6'4 and my arms are not as long as Jones'. Jones is a heavyweight and should be fighting in his own weight class instead of beating up on smaller and weaker guys who can't even get close to him.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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An 11" reach advantage is huge. I have Jones to beat Rashad.
HUGE advantage. But it's not something that's illegal.
I think Rashad is lightening fast and will be able to get in on Jones. Jones' chin is still untested. Page was only able to tap him.
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What excuses? It is a fact that Jones has a ridiculous reach. His reach is too much even for a 6'4 guy. I am 6'4 and my arms are not as long as Jones'. Jones is a heavyweight and should be fighting in his own weight class instead of beating up on smaller and weaker guys who can't even get close to him.
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geez, Lesnar and Dos Santos would hurt him.
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What excuses? It is a fact that Jones has a ridiculous reach. His reach is too much even for a 6'4 guy. I am 6'4 and my arms are not as long as Jones'. Jones is a heavyweight and should be fighting in his own weight class instead of beating up on smaller and weaker guys who can't even get close to him.
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What qualifies fighters for Heavyweight status?
Hmm..
Is it height?
or
Is it weight?
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What excuses? It is a fact that Jones has a ridiculous reach. His reach is too much even for a 6'4 guy. I am 6'4 and my arms are not as long as Jones'. Jones is a heavyweight and should be fighting in his own weight class instead of beating up on smaller and weaker guys who can't even get close to him.
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HAHA. You say "what excuses" ?! READ YOUR POST DUDE! You start babbling about his reach etc. EXCUSES!!!
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Maybe they should start a Long Reach division for SMM. ;D
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Jones better stay in LHW or Ben Rothwell is going to kill him.
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Jones better stay in LHW or Ben Rothwell is going to kill him.
Good point. :-X
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The future of the HW division.
(http://mmafix.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ben-rothwell.jpg)
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Stop making excuses about too long of limbs and being a HW etc. He makes weight and that's all that matters. Anything else is just petty excuse.
Why is weight the only things that matter? Because the athletic comissions say so? I could fight a guy the same weight as me and beat his ass if he has more fat and less muscle than me at the same weight(more muscle and less fat means more strength and agility). I could fight a guy the same weight as me and with the same amount of muscle but if he is 5'7 and I'm 6'4, I am likely gona beat him because I will be able to reach him whilst he won't be able to reach me. There are a lot of things that matter besides sheer weight, and it's not my fault that the athletic comissions don't understand that. But yeah, going by the book all that matters is weight. Who cares?
Who do you have with Bones vs. Evans?
Given the fact that they used to train together, Jones knows his game very well and is 10 X the athlete Rashad is. It will be a massacre. Sure, Rashad knows Jones' game too, but I think this will be a far greater advantage to Jones than to Rashad.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Hits abs twice a week.
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What qualifies fighters for Heavyweight status?
Hmm..
Is it height?
or
Is it weight?
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You missed my point. Jones has the height and bone structure to be a heavyweight. By fighting as a light-heavyweight, he preserves some of the advantages that a heavyweight has over light-heavyeights: superior reach and more muscle-to-fat ratio. At the same bodyweight, a taller guy is likely to have more muscle and less fat than a shorter guy for obvious reasons.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You missed my point. Jones has the height and bone structure to be a heavyweight. By fighting as a light-heavyweight, he preserves some of the advantages that a heavyweight has over light-heavyeights: superior reach and more muscle-to-fat ratio. At the same bodyweight, a taller guy is likely to have more muscle and less fat than a shorter guy for obvious reasons.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
What's your point ???
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Yes. Weight is the only thing that matters bud. Case closed.
G'nite all.
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Rampage did a lot better than I thought. I mean, it went to the 4th round, and Rampage managed to hurt Jones, something that no fighter has done before...
And how huge is Jones? Holy shit, Rampage looked like a child next to him. He should move to the heavyweight division and fight with Cain for the heavyweight belt. He is a heavyweight beating up on light-heavyweights. Quinton is a warrior and gave Jones his toughest fight yet.
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rampage didnt do shit horrible fight
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Jones beat Page. Sorry SMM. Make all the excuses you want. We've heard them all. Your boy LOST. ANd just when was Bones hurt by Page? You're on crack bro.
Brah, nobody is disputing that. Nobody is making any excuses. Page lost fair and square and took his lost like a man. Just giving Page props for hanging in there. That was by far Jones toughest fight in the UFC.
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rampage didnt do shit horrible fight
Rampage's mean muggin' and staredown were his high points of the night for him.
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Jones is a HW fighting at 205.
He won because of reach and discipline, that's all.
Rampage did what he could given the circumstances.
He pushed the pace when possible, he just got overwhelmed by a superior athlete with a good game plan.
Jones will Rape rashad-- 110%
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2 pages of isuckmanmuscle melting down like a 14 year old girl.
it's embarrassing to say the least
he lost. deal with it stupid. all the excuses in the world doesn't change the fact Jackson got his ass kicked.
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Jones is a HW fighting at 205.
You've been reading my posts... ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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BDB fundamentals.
Breakfast of Champions right thur brah
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Rampage was overmatched and Rashad will be beaten by Jones just as bad or worse.
Once Rampage took some of Jones' ground and pound and that big elbow in the 3rd you could see he was ready to quit. He was sucking air, checking the clock and looking for a way out without getting hurt.
What was more embarassing was the coaching in Jackson's corner and the unabashed Jones dicksucking Joe Rogan was laying down.
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Video?
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daddyfalcons would suffucate these queefs
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I cant believe coach has the audacity to make rampage flip a tyre across a parking lot and consider that a mma training program.
I think coach owes rampage an apology any advice given truly fucked him up this time.
Coach these athletes fight for a living, if you are not able to train them correctly then dont train them at all.
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Looked like Jones was just toying with Rampage. Rampage did nothing to check leg kicks and hardly threw any of his own. He was always looking for that wild swing knockout that never came.
Rampage could have thrown more body punches or knees whenever they clinched up but he did nothing. He looked very tentative throughout the whole fight. He gave away the fight and Jones capitalized on it.
On a side note it was great to see Matt Hughes knocked out by Koscheck.
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I cant believe coach has the audacity to make rampage flip a tyre across a parking lot and consider that a mma training program.
I think coach owes rampage an apology any advice given truly fucked him up this time.
Coach these athletes fight for a living, if you are not able to train them correctly then dont train them at all.
:D
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2 pages of isuckmanmuscle melting down like a 14 year old girl.
it's embarrassing to say the least
he lost. deal with it stupid. all the excuses in the world doesn't change the fact Jackson got his ass kicked.
He's a fucking idiot, I have no idea why props even reply to his posts.
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It's hard to have offense when the guy you're fighting against has arms and legs that are literally twice as long as yours.
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Will you stop goin on about heights and weight cuts blah blah blah.Havent you ever seen Stefan Struve the 6ft 11 monster get pummeled silly by guys alot shorter than him? Its not about Jones height, hes simply better than anyone that hes fought.Whats so hard to grasp about that?
And why should he fight heavyweights? Just because hes too good for his division? Give the guy a chance, hes barely been fighting 3 years and people like you desperately want to see him lose, why? Hes going to be the greatest UFC fighter of all time so just deal with it and STFU
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Jones is a HW fighting at 205.
He won because of reach and discipline, that's all.
Rampage did what he could given the circumstances.
He pushed the pace when possible, he just got overwhelmed by a superior athlete with a good game plan.
Jones will Rape rashad-- 110%
And while im here, you also talk shit ;D How is he a heavyweight fighting at 205? He doesnt exactly cut 40lbs to make weights does he? His legs are like fuckin chickens, but yeh, its his fault i guess that he has long arms n legs ::)
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Will you stop goin on about heights and weight cuts blah blah blah.Havent you ever seen Stefan Struve the 6ft 11 monster get pummeled silly by guys alot shorter than him? Its not about Jones height, hes simply better than anyone that hes fought.Whats so hard to grasp about that?
And why should he fight heavyweights? Just because hes too good for his division? Give the guy a chance, hes barely been fighting 3 years and people like you desperately want to see him lose, why? Hes going to be the greatest UFC fighter of all time so just deal with it and STFU
Hey, idiot, I never claimed that reach is the only thing that matters. Of course, if you are extremely slow and uncoordinated then it might be a disadvantage as the taller you are the easier it is to take you to the ground because your center of gravity is farther away from the ground. But in the case of Jones, anyone can see that this is the variable that is allowing him to KO or TKO everyone. Look at the Shogun fight and you'll see that Shogun couldn't even get close to Jones. At one point, Jones actually used one of his arms to hold Shogun at a distance and then pummel him from afar. Are you saying that Jon Jones won because his stand-up is better than Shogun's? Shogun is a Muay Thai master, the best fighter of Chute Boxe, and he has been fighting since 2003. Do you really think that Jones' stand-up is technically superior to his? C'mon. The same thing for Rampage. He couldn't even get close to Jones and every time he tried, Jones' left leg would hit him from the other side of the ring and push him back. Rampage has 19 wins by KO. How many has Jones? Oh, that's right, none. All his wins are by TKO and not KO. The guy has no real power. He couldn't finish Rampage with strikes and had to rely on one of the worst applied chokes I've ever seen to win fight. It goes to show how pathetic Jones is that even though his opponent was almost 6" shorter than him with an 11" reach disadvantage, he had to take the fight to the ground because he couldn't finish him. Had they the same reach, the fight would have been completely different.
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I feel bad that Joe Rogan kept saying he was flawless. I don't like Rampage but hats off to him. He hurt Jones and really improved his striking.
Very one dimensional but he had new levels to his striking. I knew it wouldn't happen but I wanted to see him clip Jones with a good hay maker and shut him the fuck up.
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Why is weight the only things that matter? Because the athletic comissions say so? I could fight a guy the same weight as me and beat his ass if he has more fat and less muscle than me at the same weight(more muscle and less fat means more strength and agility). I could fight a guy the same weight as me and with the same amount of muscle but if he is 5'7 and I'm 6'4, I am likely gona beat him because I will be able to reach him whilst he won't be able to reach me. There are a lot of things that matter besides sheer weight, and it's not my fault that the athletic comissions don't understand that. But yeah, going by the book all that matters is weight. Who cares?
Given the fact that they used to train together, Jones knows his game very well and is 10 X the athlete Rashad is. It will be a massacre. Sure, Rashad knows Jones' game too, but I think this will be a far greater advantage to Jones than to Rashad.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
LOLOL.
So the athletic commission should change the divisions because you don't like them ::) ::)
Hey, you're really smart, right? do you think you could figure out a way to kill yourself right now while you're typing ??
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Jones pitched a shutout...he was vastly superior standing and managed to cut and later submit Ramapage on the ground. I didn't get the sense that Ramapge had Jones in trouble at any point in the fight and I don't hink he had a plan once it became clear that Jones was simply going to wrap him up when he managed to get within striking distance. You could say he "did better" because he lasted until the 4th round or you could say that Jones was content to pick him apart rather than risk opening himself up to Jackson's one hope...a hook to the jaw. Whatever...the end result is the same, Jones by submission.
Jackson had possibly the worst corner in recent memory..."find your range" was the extent of thier input. Not since BJ Penn was repeatedly told "c'mon..it's Frankie Edgar, knock the guy out" have I seen a corner do less for a fighter. They were about as useful as tits on the Pope
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Jones pitched a shutout...he was vastly superior standing
No, he wasn't. He just used his reach to pummel Rampage from afar. Technically, neither are very good on the stand-up despite Jones being very flashy and athletic. I am not impressed with Jones' power. The guy hits like a girl. How many opponents has he flat out knocked out? The last one was Parker Porter over three years ago, and he has a glass jaw. If it weren't for reach, Rampage would have decimated him as he's a proven knock-out freak.
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And while im here, you also talk shit ;D How is he a heavyweight fighting at 205? He doesnt exactly cut 40lbs to make weights does he? His legs are like fuckin chickens, but yeh, its his fault i guess that he has long arms n legs ::)
He cuts 30 pounds to make weight. He is only 23 years old. He could easily fight at HW. It's not his "fault" that he is using his physical tools to overwhelm everyone else. He is being smart. After weighing in at 205, he walks into the cage at 220+.
Not taking anything away from him. Just saying that he is a gigantic LHW and could fight at HW.
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Stop making excuses about too long of limbs and being a HW etc. He makes weight and that's all that matters. Anything else is just petty excuse.
Who do you have with Bones vs. Evans?
weve been over this many times, it is pointless to pursue this debate as he doesnt listen..........
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Hey, idiot, I never claimed that reach is the only thing that matters. Of course, if you are extremely slow and uncoordinated then it might be a disadvantage as the taller you are the easier it is to take you to the ground because your center of gravity is farther away from the ground. But in the case of Jones, anyone can see that this is the variable that is allowing him to KO or TKO everyone. Look at the Shogun fight and you'll see that Shogun couldn't even get close to Jones. At one point, Jones actually used one of his arms to hold Shogun at a distance and then pummel him from afar. Are you saying that Jon Jones won because his stand-up is better than Shogun's? Shogun is a Muay Thai master, the best fighter of Chute Boxe, and he has been fighting since 2003. Do you really think that Jones' stand-up is technically superior to his? C'mon. The same thing for Rampage. He couldn't even get close to Jones and every time he tried, Jones' left leg would hit him from the other side of the ring and push him back. Rampage has 19 wins by KO. How many has Jones? Oh, that's right, none. All his wins are by TKO and not KO. The guy has no real power. He couldn't finish Rampage with strikes and had to rely on one of the worst applied chokes I've ever seen to win fight. It goes to show how pathetic Jones is that even though his opponent was almost 6" shorter than him with an 11" reach disadvantage, he had to take the fight to the ground because he couldn't finish him. Had they the same reach, the fight would have been completely different.
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You keep talking in 'IF's'...Wich means what youre saying is hypothetical.You dont know if they had the same height that the fight would be different, just accept that JBJ is goin to dminate that division for as long as he wants.No point moaning about silly things or saying hes not as good at this or that.The fact is hes more well rounded than most guys.He actually took it easy on Page, i think it was so he could let it go into the 'championship rounds' as Page kept goin on about, just to prove a point.He couldve beaten him anytime he wanted.
Oh and hold on....6ft 4 V 6ft 1 is let me quote 'almost 6inches'......Seriously man, you say anything to TRY and win an argument ::)
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He actually took it easy on Page, i think it was so he could let it go into the 'championship rounds' as Page kept goin on about, just to prove a point.He couldve beaten him anytime he wanted.
Riiiiiiight...and I am the one who likes to dwell on hypotheticals, huh?
Oh and hold on....6ft 4 V 6ft 1 is let me quote 'almost 6inches'......Seriously man, you say anything to TRY and win an argument ::)
I am not sure Rampage is 6'1. In the old PRIDE website he was listed as being 1.78 meter or 5'10. In any case, what matters here is reach and not height. Height only allows you to have greater reach. The bottom line is that Jones has a huge reach advantage on Rampage. Case dismissed.
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No, he wasn't. He just used his reach to pummel Rampage from afar. Technically, neither are very good on the stand-up despite Jones being very flashy and athletic. I am not impressed with Jones' power. The guy hits like a girl. How many opponents has he flat out knocked out? The last one was Parker Porter over three years ago, and he has a glass jaw. If it weren't for reach, Rampage would have decimated him as he's a proven knock-out freak.
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Part of "technical superiority" is using your assets to neutralize your opponenents assets...Jones' reach kept Rampage out of striking distance. Rampage couldn't find a way to avoid anything and he couldn't figure out how to do any damage when Jones was wrapping him up in the clinch.
Who cares if Jones doesn't knock people out..he gets them out of there regardless. It's a fight...not a KO contest
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so what, smm, we should eliminate all "advantages" until all the fighters are equal? then wouldn't all the fights end in a draw?
so you're convinced jone's reach is what gave him the win... why shouldn't it? oh, because he should be "fighting people his own size"? so you add reach limits to your classes. okay, then jones beats a guy because he's quicker. so we add fast twitch composition to the classes? okay, then he beats them because he has better tactics. so we add training knowledge to the classes? then he beats a guy because he has better ground game than standup... so we factor in ratio of wrestling/striking skills to the classes?
eventually you end up with people who can only fight their twin brother, and then we'll complain that the match is just decided by "luck" if there is even a match at all. the level of competition would drop drastically since it would be even harder than it already is to find suitable fighters.
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(http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/silva_jackson2.jpg)
rampage looks at least 2" taller than Silva here. Silva is listed at 5'11
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so what, smm, we should eliminate all "advantages" until all the fighters are equal? then wouldn't all the fights end in a draw?
so you're convinced jone's reach is what gave him the win... why shouldn't it? oh, because he should be "fighting people his own size"? so you add reach limits to your classes. okay, then jones beats a guy because he's quicker. so we add fast twitch composition to the classes? okay, then he beats them because he has better tactics. so we add training knowledge to the classes? then he beats a guy because he has better ground game than standup... so we factor in ratio of wrestling/striking skills to the classes?
eventually you end up with people who can only fight their twin brother, and then we'll complain that the match is just decided by "luck" if there is even a match at all. the level of competition would drop drastically since it would be even harder than it already is to find suitable fighters.
Sure, but it should be about skills and not about advantages that are usurmountable. This is why there are weight classes. Taking your argument to it's logical conclusions, let's have men fight lions or elephants, since these animals only have physical advantages over Humans and it's all part of the game. I agree that there will always be physical advantages, but there are some advantages that are too great to be allowed. Just like a fighter cannot defeat an opponent who is 100 lbs heavier in terms of lean body mass, he cannot defeat a guy who can hit him but he cannot hit back. And things like tactics, grappling and wrestling technique, etc, are all part of trained skills and not innate physical advantages, so your argument is redundant. My point is that, even though I agree with yo that there will always be innate physical advantages of some fighters over others, the job of the rules should be to limit the amount of physical advantages that fighters have in relation to other fighters so that these advantages don't play a greater role in winning than trained skills.
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Disappointed at the end result, but i don't think it was a bad fight. I was virtually shouting at my tv at teh end "DON'T GIVE HIM YOUR BACK!!!!" next thing you know tap-tap-tap.
Rampage did better than i thought, threw the most kicks i've ever seen him throw that's for sure. ;D
It's obvious to anyone with working eyes that Jones falls short when it comes to knock-out power. Looks to me like he knows this himself and doesn't even try and play that game. I knew he was never going to KO Rampage, but i thought it'd be a tko rather than a submission.
You can say what you like about Rampage but he was nothing but respectful in his post-fight interview. I was a little surprised. No excuses, just that Bones was better. Jones did act like an ass at points in the fight and i just wanted Rampage to break his jaw, but i let that slide when he made it clear how Rashad had "ruined his special night twice". :'( Lol. Ghey. I half-expected to see tears in his eyes.
This for me was the true test of Jones, and after that i don't think Rashad is going to trouble him too much.
On the topic of Jones' size, yeah he's got that height and more importantly the massive reach but look at his structure. Like somebody already said he's got chicken legs. They're possibly skinnier than his less than hefty arms. For me he's pretty much got the choice of being a big LH, or a small LHW. Clear which he'd have more success as. Having said that, it might not be a bad thing if classes were a weight and height range. I watched a fight not too long ago, i think it was maybe Miguel Torres vs some munchkin. Torres is a bit like a smaller Jones 5'9" with a 76 inch reach at 135lbs(stats that should be possible, no man over 5' should weigh 135lbs) and his opponent was 5'3" or so. It was a completely pointless fight.
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No, he wasn't. He just used his reach to pummel Rampage from afar. Technically, neither are very good on the stand-up despite Jones being very flashy and athletic. I am not impressed with Jones' power. The guy hits like a girl. How many opponents has he flat out knocked out? The last one was Parker Porter over three years ago, and he has a glass jaw. If it weren't for reach, Rampage would have decimated him as he's a proven knock-out freak.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
If it wasn't for Jone's reach, if it wasn't for Hughes strength, if it wasn't for BJ's flexibility, if it wasn't for GSP's athleticism, if it wasn't for Vitor's speed....
God you are just so, so stupid. You brag about your 300+ IQ but most of your posts are just find with utter moronic stupidity.
BTW, I know you don't realize it. You never do. But once again you start a thread where you are getting brutally owned.
I await your "meltdown" response.
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I'm a little disappointed gb'ers are letting themself get trolled like this..
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I prefer watching real fights where nobody knows shit about fighting and just throw punches at each other
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Rampage did better than i thought, threw the most kicks i've ever seen him throw that's for sure. ;D
Rampage did awesome considering he was a like a child fighting a grown man.
It's obvious to anyone with working eyes that Jones falls short when it comes to knock-out power.
Yes. This seems to be Jones' key failing. Despite his supreme athleticism, speed, reach, supreme wrestling and takedowns, there is no evidence that he hits very hard. Most of his wins are TKOs where he pounds his opponents with his elbows on the ground and he usually takes a long time to get his oponents dizzy enough for the judge to stop and declare it a TKO victory.
I can see two kinds of fighter that could beat Jones: a very hard hitter with a granite jaw that could resist Jones' punches and close in enough to clip him, or a very strong and large wrestler who can take him down and tire him and win by points. You won't find such a wrestler in the light-heavyweight division, but in the heavyweight ranks I believe that Cain or even Lesnar could do it. They are both strong enough to take Jones down and hold him there despite Jones's superb wrestling. But is there anyone in the light-heavyweight rank who can do it? No.
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I prefer watching real fights where nobody knows shit about fighting and just throw punches at each other
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Then go watch bum wars or Kimbo Slice and Tank Abbott. You will be entertained. I am serious.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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"Bump"
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I'm a little disappointed gb'ers are letting themself get trolled like this..
I don't even pay attention to this crap and i know you're right.
"if" my grandmother had balls, she's be my grandfather...fucking "if"....LOL
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Rampage did awesome considering he was a like a child fighting a grown man.
Yes. This seems to be Jones' key failing. Despite his supreme athleticism, speed, reach, supreme wrestling and takedowns, there is no evidence that he hits very hard. Most of his wins are TKOs where he pounds his opponents with his elbows on the ground and he usually takes a long time to get his oponents dizzy enough for the judge to stop and declare it a TKO victory.
I can see two kinds of fighter that could beat Jones: a very hard hitter with a granite jaw that could resist Jones' punches and close in enough to clip him, or a very strong and large wrestler who can take him down and tire him and win by points. You won't find such a wrestler in the light-heavyweight division, but in the heavyweight ranks I believe that Cain or even Lesnar could do it. They are both strong enough to take Jones down and hold him there despite Jones's superb wrestling. But is there anyone in the light-heavyweight rank who can do it? No.SUCKMYMUSCLE
Why are you talking about Heavyweights again? Of cours guys who weigh 50lbs more than Jones are going to be able to take him down .He isnt a Heavyweight you dumb shit!
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Why are you talking about Heavyweights again? Of cours guys who weigh 50lbs more than Jones are going to be able to take him down .He isnt a Heavyweight you dumb shit!
Lol, meltdown from one of the least intelligent posters of the MMA board. I am talking about heavyweights because Jones has the height and bone structure of a heavyweight and should be fighting in that division. There is no one at 205 lbs who can realistically beat him due to his reach and strength. He should be fighting guys who have the arm length to hit him, like JDS, or guys who have the strength to take him down like Cain.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Lol, meltdown from one of the least intelligent posters of the MMA board. I am talking about heavyweights because Jones has the height and bone structure of a heavyweight and should be fighting in that division. There is no one at 205 lbs who can realistically beat him due to his reach and strength. He should be fighting guys who have the arm length to hit him, like JDS, or guys who have the strength to take him down like Cain.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
ARM LENGTH ISN'T WHAT IS CONSIDERED YOU FUCKING MORON!!! IT"S A WEIGHT-BASED SYSTEM!
You're only complaining because Jones' isn't an old Pride dog and you hate that fact. He beat up on your Pride boys and thats tough for you to swallow, so you make excuse after excuse about it.
STFU already. My god!
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The same can be said for Anderson Silva. Why aren't you bitching after his wins?
Maybe Cain with his short reach should drop to LH.
Weight is what is considered. All else are just advantages... like wrestling background, jitz experience, REACH, muay tai, etc etc etc.
Shut up already you whiney little bitch.
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Lol, meltdown from one of the least intelligent posters of the MMA board. I am talking about heavyweights because Jones has the height and bone structure of a heavyweight and should be fighting in that division. There is no one at 205 lbs who can realistically beat him due to his reach and strength. He should be fighting guys who have the arm length to hit him, like JDS, or guys who have the strength to take him down like Cain.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Suck,
For the last time, being a HEAVYWEIGHT means that you fall within a certain weight, it does not regard your height or limb length, those are factors YOU are now deciding to attribute to the HEAVYWEIGHT division.
I'd like light heavyweight fighters that are too ugly to also be included in the heavyweight division, because it isn't fair for light heavyweights to have to see eye-to-eye with such individuals, but that won't come true or make my argument any more convincing if my pretty light heavyweight fighter loses to an ugly light heavyweight opponent.
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ARM LENGTH ISN'T WHAT IS CONSIDERED YOU FUCKING MORON!!! IT"S A WEIGHT-BASED SYSTEM!
You're only complaining because Jones' isn't an old Pride dog and you hate that fact. He beat up on your Pride boys and thats tough for you to swallow, so you make excuse after excuse about it.
STFU already. My god!
Lol, is that time of the month already? ;D I meant that size correlates with height, which correlates with arm length, dummy. Who is more likely to have longer arms, a shorter man or a taller man? Oviously the taller man will have longer arms and be heavier(on average). There is no one at 205 lbs with the size and reach to realistically give Jon Jones a fight. He needs to move up to the heavyweights.
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Given his bodytype of being lean and in shape making 205, moving up would only slow Jones down. Realistically he can't compete with a 240-250 fighter. He'd have to put on so much weight.
Remember SMM: bodyweight is the key here. The years of multiweight tourneys are done and it's because weight is the big factor. A 240 pound man has the overwhelming advantage over a 140 pound man given they are both skilled in mma. This is why there are weight divisions.
I'm not denying Jones' reach and leverage is a supreme advantage, but then again, other fighters have their own advantages, ya know? Page's happens to be his striking.
I don't want to debate this anymore. It's getting old.
Let's look on to Jones/Rashad.
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ARM LENGTH ISN'T WHAT IS CONSIDERED YOU FUCKING MORON!!! IT"S A WEIGHT-BASED SYSTEM!
You're only complaining because Jones' isn't an old Pride dog and you hate that fact. He beat up on your Pride boys and thats tough for you to swallow, so you make excuse after excuse about it.
STFU already. My god!
Exactly ;D I cant believe someone is bringing up a point that a guy NEEDS to move up a weight category just cos hes got a longer reach than people LOL You didnt see Mike Tyson having problems with guys with bigger reaches now did we ;) ?.Its a silly argument you're trying to make.Why should he move up when hes beating guys easily and makin money for his family? Any person with common sense would do the same
Like Coltrane said, this is getting boring, youve just been owned by everyone in this thread yet you still go on and on.Enough already
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Lol, meltdown from one of the least intelligent posters of the MMA board. I am talking about heavyweights because Jones has the height and bone structure of a heavyweight and should be fighting in that division. There is no one at 205 lbs who can realistically beat him due to his reach and strength. He should be fighting guys who have the arm length to hit him, like JDS, or guys who have the strength to take him down like Cain.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
There is no "should" about it. Dude easily makes 205, so fights at 205.
Your hate blinds you, as you're trying to discredit Jones....for being too good?
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He doesn't "need" to do Jack shit. As long as he can make weight..he will enjoy his advantage and pummel his opposition....much to your chagrin :D
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Lol, meltdown from one of the least intelligent posters of the MMA board. I am talking about heavyweights because Jones has the height and bone structure of a heavyweight and should be fighting in that division. There is no one at 205 lbs who can realistically beat him due to his reach and strength. He should be fighting guys who have the arm length to hit him, like JDS, or guys who have the strength to take him down like Cain.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
LOL! Always reply with "meltdown" when you are getting owned. Who are you to say what weight division someone should be fighting at, Stupid? Any fighter is free to choose whatever weight they want. Faber drop down and so did Florian because they thought they had a better chance. BJ has gone and down from 155 to 170. Why doesn't Rampage drop to a Welterweight? He's about the same height of Nick Diaz.
It' amazing how you brag about how brilliant you are and nobody believes that. We read what you write. And you write stupid, Stupid.
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how do they measure reach? or do they just measure finger tip to finger tip?
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Suck,
For the last time, being a HEAVYWEIGHT means that you fall within a certain weight, it does not regard your height or limb length, those are factors YOU are now deciding to attribute to the HEAVYWEIGHT division.
I'd like light heavyweight fighters that are too ugly to also be included in the heavyweight division, because it isn't fair for light heavyweights to have to see eye-to-eye with such individuals, but that won't come true or make my argument any more convincing if my pretty light heavyweight fighter loses to an ugly light heavyweight opponent.
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For the last fucking time...pay attention...holy shit...I am aware that weight is the only thing that separates the classes(duh)...my point is that it shouldn't be. For fuck sake, you guys have the intelligence of toads and the reading comprehension of toddlers.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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For the last fucking time...pay attention...holy shit...I am aware that weight is the only thing that separates the classes(duh)...my point is that it shouldn't be. For fuck sake, you guys have the intelligence of toads and the reading comprehension of toddlers.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Stop assuming that people are incapable of understanding what you post and ARE TRYING to convey.
The problem I see here is that you are LOSING your cool by resorting to petty insults (as seen above), which in turn leads everyone to believe that you are practically melting down on the other side of your screen.
Relax, breathe and remember that YOU started this thread for the clear purpose of a discussion. Regardless of you winning every single debate or not, you are here to share with others, not to get angry at everyone's posts because they aren't completely angled to meet your point of view.
Regarding reading comprehension and intelligence, you seem to not be taking into consideration that you are not making coherent posts to back up your claims. Yes, some of your posts clearly state that he has extensive reach and height, which can serve well if he were to put on more weight and fight as a heavyweight, but as it stands (BASED ON THE RULES OF MMA) he is clearly a light heavyweight.
Don't get angry at people when you are clearly the one presenting an unclear argument, please see your posts below and try to relax man. I have no qualms with you, but your inability to just laugh things off and be cool with discussion is out of control man. Calm down soldier...
And how huge is Jones? Holy shit, Rampage looked like a child next to him. He should move to the heavyweight division and fight with Cain for the heavyweight belt. He is a heavyweight beating up on light-heavyweights. Quinton is a warrior and gave Jones his toughest fight yet.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yes, exactly. When you factor in the difference in size, strength and reach, Jones was hardly better than Rampage on the stand-up. If they were the same size and had the same reach, Rampage might have KOd him. I repeat: Jones is a heavyweight beating up on light-heavyweights. He should be fighting guys with his size and reach. I would love to see him fight Overeem, a guy with an equal reach to him and K-1 World champion and watch him get KTFO.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
What excuses? It is a fact that Jones has a ridiculous reach. His reach is too much even for a 6'4 guy. I am 6'4 and my arms are not as long as Jones'. Jones is a heavyweight and should be fighting in his own weight class instead of beating up on smaller and weaker guys who can't even get close to him.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Again, most of your posts can be misleading, so try to settle down.
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how do they measure reach? or do they just measure finger tip to finger tip?
yes, arms straight out to each side and fingertip to fingertip
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1. jones just knows how to use his advantages which is reach.
2. he doesnt have ko power in his hands. he doesnt have good kicks.
3. if rampage knew basic standup fighting you know when someone has longer reach you got a couple options either chop the legs,
slip the punch a get of yours or make him come to you and pick him off. (easier said than done) but can be done.
4. did he destroy rampage? no not even close but he did give him a lesson in standup
with that all being said is jones beatable? yes but with the right tools.
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1. jones just knows how to use his advantages which is reach.
2. he doesnt have ko power in his hands. he doesnt have good kicks.
3. if rampage knew basic standup fighting you know when someone has longer reach you got a couple options either chop the legs,
slip the punch a get of yours or make him come to you and pick him off. (easier said than done) but can be done.
4. did he destroy rampage? no not even close but he did give him a lesson in standup
with that all being said is jones beatable? yes but with the right tools.
Mame09 ,are you a KO artist ?
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Hampage didn't do shit during the fight. He didn't hurts Bones at all! I don't know why people are giving him props he looked like he was just playing it safe out there. He kind of gave up at the end and gave up his back. He didn't want to take anymore punishment. I want to see him fight shogun next. They should make that at UFC Japan.
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Hampage didn't do shit during the fight. He didn't hurts Bones at all! I don't know why people are giving him props he looked like he was just playing it safe out there. He kind of gave up at the end and gave up his back. He didn't want to take anymore punishment. I want to see him fight shogun next. They should make that at UFC Japan.
I said it before and I'll say it again, Rampage hasn't tried to fight in a long time. He is merely collecting a paycheck at his fights.
He isn't going in with a killer instinct, taking chances or trying to be the aggressor. I get him though, he isn't a kid anymore, has a family and needs to pay bills.
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Hampage didn't do shit during the fight. He didn't hurts Bones at all! I don't know why people are giving him props he looked like he was just playing it safe out there. He kind of gave up at the end and gave up his back. He didn't want to take anymore punishment. I want to see him fight shogun next. They should make that at UFC Japan.
shogun is fighting dan henderson next probably wouldnt even have time to recover until japan card unlesss he ruins henderson right away which I doubt hes going to do
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Rampage needs new to coaches. Those guys at wolfslayer suck ass. They sent him in there with a shitty game plan. The only thing his corner man told him was to find his range over and over again. Rampage doesn't mix things up he's a glorified head hunter.
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Stop assuming that people are incapable of understanding what you post and ARE TRYING to convey.
The problem I see here is that you are LOSING your cool by resorting to petty insults (as seen above), which in turn leads everyone to believe that you are practically melting down on the other side of your screen.
Relax, breathe and remember that YOU started this thread for the clear purpose of a discussion. Regardless of you winning every single debate or not, you are here to share with others, not to get angry at everyone's posts because they aren't completely angled to meet your point of view.
Regarding reading comprehension and intelligence, you seem to not be taking into consideration that you are not making coherent posts to back up your claims. Yes, some of your posts clearly state that he has extensive reach and height, which can serve well if he were to put on more weight and fight as a heavyweight, but as it stands (BASED ON THE RULES OF MMA) he is clearly a light heavyweight.
Don't get angry at people when you are clearly the one presenting an unclear argument, please see your posts below and try to relax man. I have no qualms with you, but your inability to just laugh things off and be cool with discussion is out of control man. Calm down soldier...
Again, most of your posts can be misleading, so try to settle down.
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I find you one of the most intellgent and reasonable people on this board. I like you.YOu're a good homo.
This suckmymuscle guy had got to be one of most confused delusional arrogant and irrational person here. I bet anything that he actually has some sort of mental deficiency. normal people dont talk this way and arent this consistently irrational.
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I find you one of the most intellgent and reasonable people on this board. I like you.YOu're a good homo.
This suckmymuscle guy had got to be one of most confused delusional arrogant and irrational person here. I bet anything that he actually has some sort of mental deficiency. normal people dont talk this way and arent this consistently irrational.
Thank you for your vote of confidence.
SuckMuscle is not a bad guy. He is just a little too passionate about shit that really isn't that important.
Resorting to insults will never make your argument any more convincing. If anything, it only serves but to detract from your ability to properly convince anyone of anything, because you inadvertently involve other people's emotions, which unfortunately switches their thinking process from a logical and rational one to one that is saturated with feelings and hunches.
Debate, discuss, have fun and hopefully end up in each others arms..
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I saw the Rampage vs Machida fight. I felt Machida won... So did Rampage.
I think that Machida is the only light heavyweight that can challenge Jones.
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I find you one of the most intellgent and reasonable people on this board. I like you.YOu're a good homo.
Translation = I'd love to suck your dick?
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shogun is fighting dan henderson next probably wouldnt even have time to recover until japan card unlesss he ruins henderson right away which I doubt hes going to do
i thought hendo was fighting anderson silva again
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Ok, because you f.aggots are having your periods, I will wait until you f.aggots get a grip so we can discuss this without you sissies having temper tantrums all the time. The thread is locked.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ok, because you f.aggots are having your periods, I will wait until you f.aggots get a grip so we can discuss this without you sissies having temper tantrums all the time. The thread is locked.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Wow, finally over your own faggy little temper tantrum, "Pedro"?