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Cain won't deny it. But it's not a huge deal. He was a young man. In his mid-50s at the time. We all make mistakes as youths.
He was then asked, “Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman?”
He breathed audibly, glared at the reporter and stayed silent for several seconds. After the question was repeated three times, he responded by asking the reporter, “Have you ever been accused of sexual harassment?”
During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.
The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures.
In a series of comments over the past 10 days, Cain and his campaign repeatedly declined to respond directly about whether he ever faced allegations of sexual harassment at the restaurant association. They have also declined to address questions about specific reporting confirming that there were financial settlements in two cases in which women leveled complaints.
POLITICO has confirmed the identities of the two female restaurant association employees who complained about Cain but, for privacy concerns, is not publishing their names.
Cain spokesman J.D. Gordon told POLITICO the candidate indicated to campaign officials that he was “vaguely familiar” with the charges and that the restaurant association’s general counsel had resolved the matter.
The latest statement came from Cain himself. In a tense sidewalk encounter Sunday morning outside the Washington bureau of CBS News — where the Republican contender had just completed an interview on “Face the Nation” — Cain evaded a series of questions about sexual harassment allegations.
Cain said he has “had thousands of people working for me” at different businesses over the years and could not comment “until I see some facts or some concrete evidence.” His campaign staff was given the name of one woman who complained last week, and it was repeated to Cain on Sunday. He responded, “I am not going to comment on that.”
He was then asked, “Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman?”
He breathed audibly, glared at the reporter and stayed silent for several seconds. After the question was repeated three times, he responded by asking the reporter, “Have you ever been accused of sexual harassment?”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html#ixzz1cKitCJil
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Ron Paul camp responds to Cain story -- by hitting him on TARP
Ron Paul's presidential campaign is the first to respond to POLITICO's story this evening detailing accusations of inappropriate behavior made against Herman Cain when he headed the National Restaurant Association.
Paul campaign chairman Jesse Benton criticized Cain in an email for being soft on the Fed and supporting the 2008 bank bailouts -- but didn't comment directly on the allegations against Cain.
"We plan to beat Herman Cain on the issues, like his support for TARP and his cozy relationship with the Federal Reserve, not by assaulting his character," Benton told POLITICO.
Each of Cain's rivals has to decide whether to go after him for the allegations of personal misconduct, or to let the story take its toll without any help from them. Paul is apparently choosing Door No. 2.
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the flavor of the week is melting :D
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the flavor of the week is melting :D
hhmmm - 20 years in a racist church, friends w domestic terrorists, coke abuse, never held a job, said he wants to collapse the coal industry is ok???
Cain - with 20 year old allegations of "suggestive" language not ok?
Is that correct?
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hahahah the post is about cain, cain couldn't remember,i'm sure thats something you would forget ::)
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hahahah the post is about cain, cain couldn't remember,i'm sure thats something you would forget ::)
Just pointing out the double standards and hypocrisy of your far leftist trash and commie thugs who voted for obama.
I want to know about this more and see the details, however "suggestive language" is pure bs if that is all they have.
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hhmmm - 20 years in a racist church, friends w domestic terrorists, coke abuse, never held a job, said he wants to collapse the coal industry is ok???
Cain - with 20 year old allegations of "suggestive" language not ok?
you're better than that. You're better than "it's okay if Cain does this, cause obama does something worse..."
Cain won't deny it - that speaks volumes. There are 150 million conservatives in america (at least)... You can't run a few that CAN keep their d**k in their pants?
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you're better than that. You're better than "it's okay if Cain does this, cause obama does something worse..."
Cain won't deny it - that speaks volumes. There are 150 million conservatives in america (at least)... You can't run a few that CAN keep their d**k in their pants?
????? WTF are you talking about? So far all they said is "suggestive language". How does that equate to Bill Clinton or Newt or the others?
hhhmmm????
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Just pointing out the double standards and hypocrisy of your far leftist trash and commie thugs who voted for obama.
I want to know about this more and see the details, however "suggestive language" is pure bs if that is all they have.
it's not language it's suggestive behavior
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????? WTF are you talking about? So far all they said is "suggestive language". How does that equate to Bill Clinton or Newt or the others?
hhhmmm????
It's about respect for women, for his marriage (as he is the guy wearing church robes telling us the govt should legislate morality).
Repub voters don't care. Mccain admitted to jizzing in new women while married, and yall didn't care.
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it's not language it's suggestive behavior
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Please - thats pure nonsense. Unless these women describe exactly what that was, like pulling his cock out, proposituioning them for sex in return for a raise, or writing them love notes, its pure bs.
Unless there are OVERT gestures like him telling these women he wanted bang them on the desk or do something like that - this is pure nonsense.
I where slayer shirts w pentagrams and blood and skulls on it, does that mean I am suggestibf others to become satanists?
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It's about respect for women, for his marriage (as he is the guy wearing church robes telling us the govt should legislate morality).
Repub voters don't care. Mccain admitted to jizzing in new women while married, and yall didn't care.
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Again - people interpret things very differently. i want to know what the accusation was and how it was interpreted as.
If he put his cock on the desk and said "suck it" - yes - thats harrassment.
If he said - 'My you look great in that dress" and the woman took that as a come on - well you see my point.
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Desperation: The High Tech Lynching of Uppity Herman Cain Begins
Real Feminist ^ | 10-31-2011 | Sheri Urban
by Sheri Urban
Real Feminist
Politico sicks no less than FOUR reporters onto vague nearly 20 year old allegations to smear new GOP Frontrunner Herman Cain.
So desperate are the powers that be to bring down this uber-successful black businessman, that they are doing a Clarence Thomas on him, complete with sketchy allegations such as: a woman “accused him of innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature” and conversations that were regarded as “improper in a professional relationship.” Can you possibly be any more vague?
A few weeks ago a group of “feminists” commemorated the 20th anniversary of dopey fraudster Anita Hill’s pathetic testimony at the Thomas hearings, as if she is some sort of suffragette of the 90s. Now, some in the political “good ‘ol boy network” are falling over themselves to put out this nothing of a story. Towards the end of their hit piece, they stated that most of the employees that worked for Cain said he was “extremely professional” and “fair” to female staffers, and
Cain’s treatment of women was “the same as his treatment of men. Herman treated everyone great,” said Mary Ann Cricchio, who was elected to the board of the restaurant group in 1998. She said Cain left such a good impression on the organization that when he spoke at a group event in January of this year, as he was considering a presidential bid, “he had unanimous support in the room.”
The only actual names and actual statements were that Cain was fair and professional. There are no names, dates or any solid evidence whatsoever for the innuendo, vague comments and phantom “female employees” that “settled for 5 figures”.
Do not be fooled. this is NOT a leftist attack.
The Republican elites are clearly spooked big time by Herman Cain, who has catapulted into shocking leads in the Iowa, South Carolina and Florida polls, and within striking distance of Romney in New Hampshire - a state Mitt has always assumed he would win by double digits. And so they are feeding this tripe to the Washington media vultures they alternatively joust with and seduce to maintain their corruptocracy. Mitt Romney and Rick Perry would fit right in with Karl Rove and his merry band of RINOs. Herman Cain would most defintely not. And so, he must be taken out.
But on what bait would the Leftist Media bite? Why of course - the same tired racist sexual stereotypes they used against Clarence Thomas, which one would have thought would be verboten in today's climate. But for the Left, a "Black Conservative" (just as with a Hispanic conservative - ask Marco Rubio), has committed "race betrayal" - a capital offense. So they are more than happy to play along.
Conservatives need to remember well how those elites on our side have conspired with the Leftist press to try and take down this great American, Herman Cain. They need to be swept from control of the GOP, once and for all. As Vito Corleone would say: "this I will not forgive".
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Again - people interpret things very differently. i want to know what the accusation was and how it was interpreted as.
If he put his cock on the desk and said "suck it" - yes - thats harrassment.
If he said - 'My you look great in that dress" and the woman took that as a come on - well you see my point.
agreed - would love to see the actual accusations.
Still, most people don't have 2 sexual accusations on their record. Maybe he's the exception to "where there's smoke, there's fire..."
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The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures.
Innocent people don't pay people off, i sure you think micheal jackson didn't have sex with little boys either
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The sources — which include the recollections of close associates and other documentation — describe episodes that left the women upset and offended. These incidents include conversations allegedly filled with innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature, taking place at hotels during conferences, at other officially sanctioned restaurant association events and at the association’s offices. There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html#ixzz1cMlhxv7j
GMAFB. Weak as shit.
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The sources — which include the recollections of close associates and other documentation — describe episodes that left the women upset and offended. These incidents include conversations allegedly filled with innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature, taking place at hotels during conferences, at other officially sanctioned restaurant association events and at the association’s offices. There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html#ixzz1cMlhxv7j
GMAFB. Weak as shit.
why did they pay them off if it's weak as shit
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why did they pay them off if it's weak as shit
Many cases settle before suit to avoid the expense of litigation in these things, regardless of the merits.
again - how old are you? 12?
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Cain... well...
IMO, this is probably not 'the evil liberals' spearheading things.
I am betting it's the republican base. The ones like FOX's Wallace saying "Perry, the population grows faster than your jobs plan, WTF is wrong with you?"
It's just about time for the GOp to rally around one candidate. They know Cain and Perry are horse shit against obama. I hope it can be Paul, but I think it'll be ROmney.
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The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures.
yeah he sounds inocent to me, you better stick to what your good at getting people out of speeding tickets
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The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures.
yeah he sounds inocent to me, you better stick to what your good at getting people out of speeding tickets
Again, how old are you 12?
This is standard language in most lawsuit settlements, not that you know that in your romper room understanding of most matters.
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The sources — which include the recollections of close associates and other documentation — describe episodes that left the women upset and offended. These incidents include conversations allegedly filled with innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature, taking place at hotels during conferences, at other officially sanctioned restaurant association events and at the association’s offices. There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html#ixzz1cMlhxv7j
GMAFB. Weak as shit.
Desperation, by the RINOs who want to just hand the GOP nomination to Romney. No doubt, the left will try to run with this as well.
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i like how the party of family values covers up for their man :D :D :D i oh i forgot that just a slogan
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i like how the party of family values covers up for their man :D :D :D i oh i forgot that just a slogan
you mean like the this?
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Cain won't deny it. But it's not a huge deal. He was a young man. In his mid-50s at the time. We all make mistakes as youths.
He was then asked, “Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman?”
He breathed audibly, glared at the reporter and stayed silent for several seconds. After the question was repeated three times, he responded by asking the reporter, “Have you ever been accused of sexual harassment?”
He just basically said, "Doesn't everyone get accused of sexual harassment?"
Oh boy. It just gets clearer and clearer, this guy is GARBAGE.
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i like how the party of family values covers up for their man :D :D :D i oh i forgot that just a slogan
Cover up WHAT? These are allegations, from unconfirmed, unnamed sources.
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He just basically said, "Doesn't everyone get accused of sexual harassment?"
Oh boy. It just gets clearer and clearer, this guy is GARBAGE.
Being accused and actually being GUILTY are two separate things altogether.
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Cover up WHAT? These are allegations, from unconfirmed, unnamed sources.
20 years in a racist church, friends w domestic terrorists, acorn, saying you want to collapse the US energy sector, Gun Running to drug cartel, billions in loans to corrupt donors, suborning perjury to an AF General, and on and on and on - no big deal at all.
Unnamed sources and unspecificed allegations about alleged conduct of an entirely "suggestive" nature, end of the world.
We deserve Obama as potus w morons jumping on this and ignoring actual scandals on going right now.
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family values :D :D :D,only when the repubs are campaigning. 333386 does all these stories of cover ups and now since it's about his guy it's ok,ohohoho the hypocrisy
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family values :D :D :D,only when the repubs are campaigning. 333386 does all these stories of cover ups and now since it's about his guy it's ok,ohohoho the hypocrisy
WHAT COVER-UP?!! Unnamed, unconfirmed sources from over 20-years ago, who supposedly got out-of-court settlements?
Until you get some solid stuff, you are simply clucking more silliness.
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family values :D :D :D,only when the repubs are campaigning. 333386 does all these stories of cover ups and now since it's about his guy it's ok,ohohoho the hypocrisy
Right - because gun running, billions in fraud, etc going on RIGHT NOW, is not relvent as opposed to 20 year old unspecificed allegations.
got it. no wonder we have obama as potus.
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it's time to pull another phony repub canidate out of the hat,the party of family values. i guess the repubs have different family values then the rest of us :D :D :D
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In one case, POLITICO has seen documentation describing the allegations and showing that the restaurant association formally resolved the matter. Both women received separation packages that were in the five-figure range.
On the details of Cain’s allegedly inappropriate behavior with the two women, POLITICO has a half-dozen sources shedding light on different aspects of the complaints.
The sources — including the recollections of close associates and other documentation — describe episodes that left the women upset and offended. These incidents include conversations allegedly filled with innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature, taking place at hotels during conferences, at other officially sanctioned restaurant association events and at the association’s offices. There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.
Peter Kilgore, who was the association’s general counsel in the 1990s, and remains in that position today, has declined to comment to POLITICO on whether any settlements existed, saying he cannot discuss personnel matters.
sounds innocent to me brahahahhahaah :D :D :D
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In one case, POLITICO has seen documentation describing the allegations and showing that the restaurant association formally resolved the matter. Both women received separation packages that were in the five-figure range.
On the details of Cain’s allegedly inappropriate behavior with the two women, POLITICO has a half-dozen sources shedding light on different aspects of the complaints.
The sources — including the recollections of close associates and other documentation — describe episodes that left the women upset and offended. These incidents include conversations allegedly filled with innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature, taking place at hotels during conferences, at other officially sanctioned restaurant association events and at the association’s offices. There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.
Peter Kilgore, who was the association’s general counsel in the 1990s, and remains in that position today, has declined to comment to POLITICO on whether any settlements existed, saying he cannot discuss personnel matters.
sounds inocent to me brahahahhahaah :D :D :D
POLITICO, a left-wing rag still slobbering over Obama like Amber Lee Ettinger in her heyday, cites unnamed anonymous sources (conveniently when Cain becomes a GOP frontrunner).
And, we're supposed to buy it (especially from folks who broke their necks to defend Bill "I-did-not-have-sexual-relations-with-that-woman" Clinton)? RIIIIIIGHT!!!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/31/block_cain_has_never_sexually_harassed_anybody_period_end_of_story.html
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Lets assume the worst that he made sexually out line statements. Sleazy - sure. But ok and?
Compared to actual issues that matter - like gun running, billions in fraud, perjury, etc - I dont think I am really going to get too upset over this.
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it goes more than that now,when this come out to be true and it will, he has now lied to the people and that won't go over to good with the independents,the repubs won't care because their the party of family values :D :D :D
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it goes more than that now,when this come out to be true and it will, he has now lied to the people and that won't go over to good with the independents,the repubs won't care because their the party of family values :D :D :D
You mean like the Bush going AWOL story turned out to be true, in 2004?
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it goes more than that now,when this come out to be true and it will, he has now lied to the people and that won't go over to good with the independents,the repubs won't care because their the party of family values :D :D :D
Dear God are you fucked up. and what is the Demo party all about/ The 'common man"? The "little guy"?
Huh? Want to go there you deranged dirtball?
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Dear God are you fucked up. and what is the Demo party all about/ The 'common man"? The "little guy"?
Huh? Want to go there you deranged dirtball?
The inside-the-beltway experts claimed that Romney would win the nomination if, for no other reason, that he had way more money than Cain and Cain would eventually fizzle out (in terms of cash).
Cain's fundraising efforts are picking up. He doesn't need as much cash as Romney, just enough to hold his own.
Now, oh-so-conveniently, here comes this alleged sexual harrassment stuff.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-cain-fundraising-20111028,0,1354476.story
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keep co
Dear God are you fucked up. and what is the Demo party all about/ The 'common man"? The "little guy"?
Huh? Want to go there you deranged dirtball?
hahahahahah meltdown ,just find another family values canidate ,halfpint
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Desperation, by the RINOs who want to just hand the GOP nomination to Romney. No doubt, the left will try to run with this as well.
some getbiggers are claiming it's the naw-ty mean ol' liberals that are doing this.
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keep co
hahahahahah meltdown ,just find another family values canidate ,halfpint
I dont give a damn about family values, that crap makes me revulse.
But tell me - if the GOP is the party of "family values", tell me what you think the Demo party is?
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The inside-the-beltway experts claimed that Romney would win the nomination if, for no other reason, that he had way more money than Cain and Cain would eventually fizzle out (in terms of cash).
Cain's fundraising efforts are picking up. He doesn't need as much cash as Romney, just enough to hold his own.
Now, oh-so-conveniently, here comes this alleged sexual harrassment stuff.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-cain-fundraising-20111028,0,1354476.story
so now it's everyone elses fault he sexually harrassed women ::)
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High Tech Lynching: The Sequel Starring Herman Cain
So.
Here's the story.
From a liberal media outlet.
An "Exclusive" story about Herman Cain. A story about a black man who is a conservative and just by coincidence is now riding high in the presidential polls. A story about anonymous women making allegations of sexual harassment against Mr. Cain. And getting bucks for their efforts.
Women who won a "settlement" for the charges, which are said to be centering on "inappropriate behavior" by Mr. Cain during his tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association.
That's all there appears to be.
But shall we recall another time?
When a sitting President of the United States, a white liberal, was accused by multiple women of not only sexual harassment… but rape?
And the sum and substance of the response from his supporters was that these kind of charges were only about sex. Just one big no deal. To be specific in terms of the response from one James Carville of Clinton advisory fame:
"Drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you'll find."
Perhaps this story is really only about the upgrade of the Carville scenario from the dragging of cash through a trailer park to the National Restaurant Association? And maybe a bit higher end on the cash front?
Oh yes.
One other memory.
The last time this kind of story was deserving of keeping somebody from high office, strangely enough that target turned out to be a black conservative man as well.
So. Do we have this right?
We can't have a conservative black man in the Oval Office because he was once accused by anonymous women of "inappropriate behavior"?
But we can give a pass and an attaboy to a liberal white man who was actually in the Oval Office when accused of infinitely worse behavior by said multiples of women? Including, say again, rape? And now everybody just has a big ole laugh about it all at said ex-president's 65th birthday when Lady Gaga shakes her booty at Bill and everybody roars?
Yes indeed. That does appear to be the game.
Alas, too many people have seen this movie. So they already know what to call this.
High Tech Lynching of an Uppity Conservative Black man.
The Sequel.
http://spectator.org/blog/2011/10/30/high-tech-lynching-the-sequel
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agreed - ANY repub who voted mccain or rudy or newt (or clinton!) AUTOMATICALLY loses the ability to try to tell anyone else how to live.
A guy is in his 40s like mccain, fcking anything that moves... and he's just being a young rowdy kid? Mccain calls his wife the c-word at age 55, and he's just being youthful?
This whole "forgiveness" thing gets a little old when rudy and newt are on wife #3 and STILL telling others what to do in the bedroom.
On one hand, i want to give cain a pass because he has said "the govt should stay out of people's persona lives" - but he loses that when he always apologizees the next day with the party line "uh uh uh I think the govt SHOULD be able to legislate what a woman can do with her body..."
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Yes, if it's one thing the liberal media is good at, it's going back in time and forcing Cain to "insert sexual act so bad that 2 people are paid off to leave".
Yes, that ol' liberal media and their nonstop going back in time and making candidates stick their d**k in other women they're not married to. They did it to Rudy, newt, and McCain too.
Oh, and the liberal media did a nice job of crucifying Clinton over that BJ, you sanctimonious nonstop victim crybabies.
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so now it's everyone elses fault he sexually harrassed women ::)
You have him confused with Bill Clinton.
Unlike folks like you, I don't deal with allegations from anonymous sources, cited by left-wing rags attached to Obama's jock in a manner that would make Chris Matthews green with envy.
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High Tech Lynching: The Sequel Starring Herman Cain
So.
Here's the story.
From a liberal media outlet.
An "Exclusive" story about Herman Cain. A story about a black man who is a conservative and just by coincidence is now riding high in the presidential polls. A story about anonymous women making allegations of sexual harassment against Mr. Cain. And getting bucks for their efforts.
Women who won a "settlement" for the charges, which are said to be centering on "inappropriate behavior" by Mr. Cain during his tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association.
That's all there appears to be.
But shall we recall another time?
When a sitting President of the United States, a white liberal, was accused by multiple women of not only sexual harassment… but rape?
And the sum and substance of the response from his supporters was that these kind of charges were only about sex. Just one big no deal. To be specific in terms of the response from one James Carville of Clinton advisory fame:
"Drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you'll find."
Perhaps this story is really only about the upgrade of the Carville scenario from the dragging of cash through a trailer park to the National Restaurant Association? And maybe a bit higher end on the cash front?
Oh yes.
One other memory.
The last time this kind of story was deserving of keeping somebody from high office, strangely enough that target turned out to be a black conservative man as well.
So. Do we have this right?
We can't have a conservative black man in the Oval Office because he was once accused by anonymous women of "inappropriate behavior"?
But we can give a pass and an attaboy to a liberal white man who was actually in the Oval Office when accused of infinitely worse behavior by said multiples of women? Including, say again, rape? And now everybody just has a big ole laugh about it all at said ex-president's 65th birthday when Lady Gaga shakes her booty at Bill and everybody roars?
Yes indeed. That does appear to be the game.
Alas, too many people have seen this movie. So they already know what to call this.
High Tech Lynching of an Uppity Conservative Black man.
The Sequel.
http://spectator.org/blog/2011/10/30/high-tech-lynching-the-sequel
hahaha nice little story but this is about cain and his sexually harrassing women
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You have him confused with Bill Clinton.
Unlike folks like you, I don't deal with allegations from anonymous sources, cited by left-wing rags attached to Obama's jock in a manner that would make Chris Matthews green with envy.
Juanita Broderick anyone?
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hahaha nice little story but this is about cain and his sexually harrassing women
Wrong, Blacken. This is about questionable (at best) allegations about Cain, allegedly harrassing women.
You know; it's that pesky "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" stuff.
Unnamed, anonymous sources allegedly from over two decades ago, cited by a left-winged rag, conveniently appearing when a conservative black man is a major player in the GOP nominee race, is HARDLY proof of guilt.
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you know when 333386 knows he's wrong because the subject changes :D
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you know when 333386 knows he's wrong because the subject changes :D
Yeah ok blackass.
I said i dont think this is a big deal even if true.
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Wrong, Blacken. This is about questionable (at best) allegations about Cain, allegedly harrassing women.
You know, that pesky INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY stuff.
Unnamed, anonymous sources allegedly from over two decades ago, cited by a left-winged rag, conveniently appearing when a conservative black man is a major player in the GOP nominee race, is HARDLY proof of guilt.
to bad that INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY stuff,never happens when you pay people off :D :D
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He paid them off.
Two of them.
And he won't deny it.
And he is telling people what they can or cannot do in the bedroom. THAT is the issue with which I disagree. Fvck 20 girls a month, I don't care. But when tell us the govt should be able to legislate who can marry, what a woman can do to her body--- and your ass is paying hoes two at a time to keep their mouths shut after they say your married ass got froggy?
Sorry, doesn't pass the smell test. And if he was 100% innocent, he would be instantly screaming it from the rooftops. Not ignoring the Q then REPEATING it to reporters.
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He paid them off.
Two of them.
And he won't deny it.
And he is telling people what they can or cannot do in the bedroom. THAT is the issue with which I disagree. Fvck 20 girls a month, I don't care. But when tell us the govt should be able to legislate who can marry, what a woman can do to her body--- and your ass is paying hoes two at a time to keep their mouths shut after they say your married ass got froggy?
Sorry, doesn't pass the smell test. And if he was 100% innocent, he would be instantly screaming it from the rooftops. Not ignoring the Q then REPEATING it to reporters.
spot on ,not ignoring the question,than answering it later when you can talk to your advisers and spin it the right way honest people don't work that way
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to bad that INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY stuff,never happens when you pay people off :D :D
Once again, you are dealing with allegations. Furthermore, when you bring a bogus accusation toward a senior executive, you can expect to get canned. What they probably got, if anything, was nothing more than a severance package.
He paid them off.
Two of them.
And he won't deny it.
And he is telling people what they can or cannot do in the bedroom. THAT is the issue with which I disagree. Fvck 20 girls a month, I don't care. But when tell us the govt should be able to legislate who can marry, what a woman can do to her body--- and your ass is paying hoes two at a time to keep their mouths shut after they say your married ass got froggy?
Sorry, doesn't pass the smell test. And if he was 100% innocent, he would be instantly screaming it from the rooftops. Not ignoring the Q then REPEATING it to reporters.
Cain HAS denied it, via his campaign manager, yesterday. And, he is slated to make a statement about this issue later today (Edit - he already has).
"I have never sexually harassed anyone," the former CEO of Godfather's Pizza told Fox News in his first major interview since Politico reported Sunday on accusations made by two women against Cain in the 1990s. Cain said Monday that the investigation surrounding those claims concluded they were "baseless."
"It is totally baseless and totally false."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cain-says-falsely-accused-sexual-harassment-unaware-settlement-153905666.html;_ylt=AoOBbECnOYYhlYuSHJm5VuebCMZ_;_ylu=X3oDMTFnZmkyMjJyBG1pdANCbG9nIEluZGV4IGJ5IEJsb2cEcG9zAzEwBHNlYwNNZWRpYUJsb2dJbmRleA--;_ylg=X3oDMTFpMm9iMzh1BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANibG9nBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3#more-22789
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Cain has denied it, 240. So, now what?
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Cain has denied it, 240. So, now what?
not ignoring the question,than answering it later when you can talk to your advisers and spin it the right way honest people don't work that way
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why don't you start a clinton tread ::)
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Just calling out your hypocrisy.
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If there was nothing there, why would you pay someone off?
Shit, tell them to go pound sand all day instead. If you are innocent you wouldn't need to buy their silence.
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not ignoring the question,than answering it later when you can talk to your advisers and spin it the right way honest people don't work that way
What are you talking about? You are mindlessly asserting that Cain is guilty of the allegations cited to him, with virtually NO PROOF whatosever. You don't have names; you don't have numbers; you don't have dates; you don't have JACK!!!
Again, it's "Innocent, until proven guilty". And, assuming these women were "paid off", since it appears that such didn't happen in court, that sounds like a severance package.
You falsely accuse your boss of sexual harrassment and see how long you last, at the company.
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http://www.breakingeconomics.com/2011/10/geraldo-rivera-grills-herman-cains.html
:D :D :D :D :D
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If there was nothing there, why would you pay someone off?
Shit, tell them to go pound sand all day instead. If you are innocent you wouldn't need to buy their silence.
Who said Cain paid them off? Oh, anonymous, unconfirmed sources seen (to date) by ONE left-winged political news outfit. ::) .
As stated earlier, you falsely accuse your boss of sexual harrassment and see how long you're employed. Any "payoff" would be nothing more than a severance package.
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If there was nothing there, why would you pay someone off?
Shit, tell them to go pound sand all day instead. If you are innocent you wouldn't need to buy their silence.
Very simple - litigation costs and maybe not having insurance coverage for claims of this nature.
Back then, many carriers did not cover these types of suits and didnt even offer riders to the Gen umbrealla policies to cover employment claims of this nature.
Give the fact that litigation takes forever and costs a shit load of money, maybe both parties decided it was in their best interests to resolve this on the cheap early on.
if it were as egregious as blacken wants to claim, why settle before even a suit is filed?
He probably said some juvenile bs that these women took too seriously and cry babied to anyone who would listen.
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http://www.breakingeconomics.com/2011/10/geraldo-rivera-grills-herman-cains.html
:D :D :D :D :D
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What are you talking about? You are mindlessly asserting that Cain is guilty of the allegations cited to him, with virtually NO PROOF whatosever. You don't have names; you don't have numbers; you don't have dates; you don't have JACK!!!
Again, it's "Innocent, until proven guilty". And, assuming these women were "paid off", since it appears that such didn't happen in court, that sounds like a severance package.
You falsely accuse your boss of sexual harrassment and see how long you last, at the company.
http://www.breakingeconomics.com/2011/10/geraldo-rivera-grills-herman-cains.html
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http://www.breakingeconomics.com/2011/10/geraldo-rivera-grills-herman-cains.html
Did you hyperventilate like this when clinton was accused of rape by Juanita Broderick?
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Did you hyperventilate like this when clinton was accused of rape by Juanita Broderick?
again stick to the topic this is about family values repub canidate cain :D :D :D
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again stick to the topic this is about family values repub canidate cain :D :D :D
and what is obama? the "little guy" candidate?
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:D :D :D :D
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and what is obama? the "little guy" candidate?
hahaha, again this topic is about family values canidate cain
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hahaha, again this topic is about family values canidate cain
and/ What is obama/ the 'working guy" candidate?
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now cain says he didn't know the women were paid off :D :D :D :D what a fu#king liar :D
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now cain says he didn't know the women were paid off :D :D :D :D what a fu#king liar :D
its not the crime, it's the coverup, that always brings ppl down.....
reporters will see who paid what... they'll disprove this... and suddenly it'll be a "i'm so sorry I lied, america" moment.
There is NO WAY IN HELL that a guy is accused of shit like that and is not aware of a payoff. Even if their story is complete bullshit - Cain is now able to be criticized for this obvious lie.
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LOl at the smoking campaign manager of Cain...
"I'm not PERSONALLY aware of anything - we refer you to the national restaurant association..."
See, THIS is the problem... this kinda bullshit. Creating an insulated firewall. Denying specific phrases - not saying "Cain didn't do shit..."
They're pushing back on little things - but refusing to address the issue.
Cain't the straight-talk candidate, right? I guess not...............
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The hyperventilation of blackass is clear proof of why we have obama as potus.
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its not the crime, it's the coverup, that always brings ppl down.....
reporters will see who paid what... they'll disprove this... and suddenly it'll be a "i'm so sorry I lied, america" moment.
There is NO WAY IN HELL that a guy is accused of shit like that and is not aware of a payoff. Even if their story is complete bullshit - Cain is now able to be criticized for this obvious lie.
Cain gets criticized, if the story is complete BS? What in the world are you smoking?
And what's the coverup? As I've asked at least twice, if you work for someone and falsely accuse them of sexual harrassment, how long do you think you'll be employed at that place, especially if an investigation CLEARS the alleged executive?
A "coverup" is what happened with Anthony Weiner, when he and his cronies on the left tried to blame EVERYONE BUT Weiner himself (the women being texted, Andrew Breitbart, etc.) for the former congressman's displaying his schlong online.
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The hyperventilation of blackass is clear proof of why we have obama as potus.
hahaha half pint, your man is like almost every other politician, a liar
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now cain says he didn't know the women were paid off :D :D :D :D what a fu#king liar :D
Try that again! What Cain said was that he didn't know IF there was a settlement or not. These anonymous nameless sources CLAIM there was a settlement, for five figures (who settles for 5 figures in a such a settlement). Furthermore, "settlement" implies that it went to court, which doesn't seem to be the case. Hence, as I said earlier, it sounds as if they got canned and got a severance package.
And, this alll conveniently shows up when Cain is a serious threat to win the GOP nomination and go toe-to-toe with Obama in 2012, not while he was wallowing in relative anonymity.
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Cain gets criticized, if the story is complete BS? What in the world are you smoking?
And what's the coverup? As I've asked at least twice, if you work for someone and falsely accuse them of sexual harrassment, how long do you think you'll be employed at that place, especially if an investigation CLEARS the alleged executive?
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/31/geraldo-cain-jd-gordon-fox-news_n_1066866.html&sa=U&ei=adiuTovcBOTi0QHnn8nIDw&ved=0CCMQFjAD&usg=AFQjCNF-vpKJAmNhtMpVijEfjOVuSDD01A
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it don't matter what comes out he will keep most of the family values voters ,but he's done with the independents
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it don't matter what comes out he will keep most of the family values voters ,but he's done with the independents
LMFAO!!!!
Yeah, while unemployed and underwater in their homes they are going to rush to the communist, racist, neo-terrorist, marxist, incompetent, corrupt Obama.
LOL.
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http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/31/geraldo-cain-jd-gordon-fox-news_n_1066866.html&sa=U&ei=adiuTovcBOTi0QHnn8nIDw&ved=0CCMQFjAD&usg=AFQjCNF-vpKJAmNhtMpVijEfjOVuSDD01A
And Geraldo's story is important because.........
The bottom line is that Cain's spokesman and Cain himself have denied that this took place. And where is THE evidence (i.e. names, dates, figures, alleged comments, gestures, etc.) that these charges are legit?
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LMFAO!!!!
Yeah, while unemployed and underwater in their homes they are going to rush to the communist, racist, neo-terrorist, marxist, incompetent, corrupt Obama.
LOL.
Yeah. Cain allegedly supposedly said that something that "wasn't overtly sexual" about 20 years ago, hurting some unnamed and unseen women's feelings.....THAT'S IT!!! I'm voting Obama again in 2012 (never mind the 9% unemployment, Solyndra, etc.). ::)
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watch the video of his smokin' campaign manager on NBC news this morning.
He won't deny it - he only claims not to be privy to certain information, and refers us elsewhere for answers.
If 2 crazy women accused us of some bullshit, getbiggers, we'd be standing on the rooftops with a megaphone calling out the hussies for their lies. Demanding dates, proof, and proving them wrong.
Did you see the video of Cain at the press room. Not smiling, not engaged - he's a beaten man. We all know that look - that's the look of "yo ass is caught". If he's an innocent straight-talker, he's standing on the street corner talking the ears of reporters denying it. But he's using legal lingo to tap dance around it?
His actions today - they don't make him look like an innocent man.
Luckily, FOX news is all over the story. Surfer bitten by shark. And kim K divorce.
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LMFAO!!!!
Yeah, while unemployed and underwater in their homes they are going to rush to the communist, racist, neo-terrorist, marxist, incompetent, corrupt Obama.
LOL.
where did i say obama,i said he's done as a repub cannidate
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he now admits he was accused.
he recused himself. allowed his general counsel to deal with the situation.
it was 'concluded' that it had no basis.
settlement? CAIN CLAIMS HE WAS UNAWARE OF ANY SETTLEMENT. (riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight)
He's referring us to the restaurant association for answers now.
LMAO... the restaurant association investigates claims against its CEO, and lo and behold, he's found innocent.
When asked if he will tell the restaurant association for more details and aanswer - CAIN SAID NO!!!!!!!!!!!
"the policy of the restaurant organization... is to keep this info quiet. Enough said. Nothing else to talk about, issue over..."
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where did i say obama,i said he's done as a repub cannidate
75% dont want romney - that leaves a lot of room for everyone else.
I am going for RP in the NY primary - but if Cain gets it - I will definately volunteer for him for the GE over that neo-terrorist, communist, corrupt, stealing, grifting, looting, thugging, monster obama
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the press club is pressing him to allow restaurant association to release answers.
Cain does NOT want the investigation to go any further.
He just opened up the door. An innocent man would say "hell yes, you release those records, you prove my innocence...."
I never trust an accused man who says there is 'no need' to look into claims lmao....
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And Geraldo's story is important because.........
The bottom line is that Cain's spokesman and Cain himself have denied that this took place. And where is THE evidence (i.e. names, dates, figures, alleged comments, gestures, etc.) that these charges are legit?
he said he was accused of sexual harrasment
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the press club is pressing him to allow restaurant association to release answers.
Cain does NOT want the investigation to go any further.
He just opened up the door. An innocent man would say "hell yes, you release those records, you prove my innocence...."
I never trust an accused man who says there is 'no need' to look into claims lmao....
Amazing coming from you.
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Amazing coming from you.
i will vote cain over obama in a heartbeat.
however, in the search for the most electable and trustworthy GOP candidate - RPaul destorys cain.
Cain looks shady as shit on this one - an innocent man WOULD have told them dig in. He said there's no need. I almost fell outta my chair laughing there. Imagine if Holder said there's no need to look into F&F.... LMAO....
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" On Fox News this afternoon, Herman Cain dismissed the Politico story dogging his campaign this week in the strongest possible terms. There’s only one problem with his denial of his story of how the Politico piece came to be: there are huge holes in it already.
On Fox, Cain said that Politico came to him with two anonymous anonymous tales of sexual harassment settlements reached while he was was the head of the National Restaurant Association. And that’s why he didn’t respond to Politico’s request for comment. “I was aware of the false accusations that took place at the restaurant association, and then when we were asked for me to comment, they wanted for this to be from two anonymous sources,” Cain said. “We weren’t going to go and chase anonymous sources.”
That line of reasoning is fine, as far as it goes, except Cain neglected to mention one thing: one of the sources Politico came to the Cain campaign with wasn’t anonymous at all. This is from the original Politico story (emphasis ours):
Cain said he has “had thousands of people working for me” at different businesses over the years and could not comment “until I see some facts or some concrete evidence.” His campaign staff was given the name of one woman who complained last week, and it was repeated to Cain on Sunday. He responded, “I am not going to comment on that.”
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=9BF98DF6-86...
Cain Chief of Staff and famous smoker Mark Block confirmed to TPM that Politico’s reporting of the events was accurate.
“I think Politico gave the campaign a name — I don’t know what that name is,” Block told TPM outside Cain’s event at the National Press Club Monday. “I think they did pass a name along, correct.”
So Cain’s strong words to Fox are already being found to be less-than-true. That’s not a good sign for a campaign trying to put a tough story
behind it.
cont'
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/herman-cains-...
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watch the video of his smokin' campaign manager on NBC news this morning.
He won't deny it - he only claims not to be privy to certain information, and refers us elsewhere for answers.
If 2 crazy women accused us of some bullshit, getbiggers, we'd be standing on the rooftops with a megaphone calling out the hussies for their lies. Demanding dates, proof, and proving them wrong.
We're asking for that now about Cain. And, we have ZILCH. No names, no dates, none of these alleged gestures that were "not overtly sexual" but offended these women nonetheless.
I saw the video of his campaign manager, earlier. He flat-out denied it; I posted the video earlier.
Did you see the video of Cain at the press room. Not smiling, not engaged - he's a beaten man. We all know that look - that's the look of "yo ass is caught". If he's an innocent straight-talker, he's standing on the street corner talking the ears of reporters denying it. But he's using legal lingo to tap dance around it?
His actions today - they don't make him look like an innocent man.
Luckily, FOX news is all over the story. Surfer bitten by shark. And kim K divorce.
What actions? He has categorically denied the allegations. Yet again, we don't have JACK as to what Cain allegedly did or said, except for some PC "lingo" from some anonymous sources to tap dance around some major charges. If someone sexually harrasses you, YOU KNOW IT and don't have to sugarcoat it to make a charge.
Did he feel on their booties? Did he cat-call them? What are these oh-so-heinous actions that Cain is accused of doing?
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We dont even have an "inappropriate touching" allegation for fucks sake!
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" On Fox News this afternoon, Herman Cain dismissed the Politico story dogging his campaign this week in the strongest possible terms. There’s only one problem with his denial of his story of how the Politico piece came to be: there are huge holes in it already.
On Fox, Cain said that Politico came to him with two anonymous anonymous tales of sexual harassment settlements reached while he was was the head of the National Restaurant Association. And that’s why he didn’t respond to Politico’s request for comment. “I was aware of the false accusations that took place at the restaurant association, and then when we were asked for me to comment, they wanted for this to be from two anonymous sources,” Cain said. “We weren’t going to go and chase anonymous sources.”
That line of reasoning is fine, as far as it goes, except Cain neglected to mention one thing: one of the sources Politico came to the Cain campaign with wasn’t anonymous at all. This is from the original Politico story (emphasis ours):
Cain said he has “had thousands of people working for me” at different businesses over the years and could not comment “until I see some facts or some concrete evidence.” His campaign staff was given the name of one woman who complained last week, and it was repeated to Cain on Sunday. He responded, “I am not going to comment on that.”
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=9BF98DF6-86...
Cain Chief of Staff and famous smoker Mark Block confirmed to TPM that Politico’s reporting of the events was accurate.
“I think Politico gave the campaign a name — I don’t know what that name is,” Block told TPM outside Cain’s event at the National Press Club Monday. “I think they did pass a name along, correct.”
So Cain’s strong words to Fox are already being found to be less-than-true. That’s not a good sign for a campaign trying to put a tough story
behind it.
cont'
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/herman-cains-...
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Please respond in my corzine thread your commie c u n t
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" On Fox News this afternoon, Herman Cain dismissed the Politico story dogging his campaign this week in the strongest possible terms. There’s only one problem with his denial of his story of how the Politico piece came to be: there are huge holes in it already.
On Fox, Cain said that Politico came to him with two anonymous anonymous tales of sexual harassment settlements reached while he was was the head of the National Restaurant Association. And that’s why he didn’t respond to Politico’s request for comment. “I was aware of the false accusations that took place at the restaurant association, and then when we were asked for me to comment, they wanted for this to be from two anonymous sources,” Cain said. “We weren’t going to go and chase anonymous sources.”
That line of reasoning is fine, as far as it goes, except Cain neglected to mention one thing: one of the sources Politico came to the Cain campaign with wasn’t anonymous at all. This is from the original Politico story (emphasis ours):
Cain said he has “had thousands of people working for me” at different businesses over the years and could not comment “until I see some facts or some concrete evidence.” His campaign staff was given the name of one woman who complained last week, and it was repeated to Cain on Sunday. He responded, “I am not going to comment on that.”
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=9BF98DF6-86...
Cain Chief of Staff and famous smoker Mark Block confirmed to TPM that Politico’s reporting of the events was accurate.
“I think Politico gave the campaign a name — I don’t know what that name is,” Block told TPM outside Cain’s event at the National Press Club Monday. “I think they did pass a name along, correct.”
So Cain’s strong words to Fox are already being found to be less-than-true. That’s not a good sign for a campaign trying to put a tough story
behind it.
cont'
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/herman-cains-...
One more time: What are the SPECIFIC charges, the specific statements, gestures, or whatever that Cain did?
Goofballs running vague statements from anonymous statements don't cut it. No details, no proof, NADA!!!
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hey, we're on a discussion board and at this point, there are 2 very diff stories out there.
To me - looking at cain's behavior- saying there's NO NEED to look into it anymore - it smells. It just smells dude. WEak shit he's bringing.
If he was a straight-talking, no-nonsense, innocent man, he'd say "HELL YES - release those records - prove i'm innocent, let's release those findings..."
They're gonna leak eventuall, TMZ will pay someone for the records, we all know it.
the accused telling america there's no need to investigate - weak shit, dude.
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We dont even have an "inappropriate touching" allegation for fucks sake!
EXACTLY!! Even by Politico's crackpot standard, their article claimed that Cain's alleged actions were "not overtly sexual". How do you have "not overtly sexual" sexual harrassment?
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you keep covering for your lying man that's the christain thing to do
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you keep covering for your lying man that's the christain thing to do
I am not a religious guy at all. Fuck, i wear slayer shirts 75% of the time w pentagrams and blood and skulls on it. I sign Reign in Blood and Black Magic in the elevator in court to the horror of other people.
But you know what - I respect christians more than I do aeithists for sure.
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you keep covering for your lying man that's the christain thing to do
The Christian thing to do is to PRESUME that SOMEONE IS INNOCENT of a charge, until sufficient evidence says otherwise.
Flaky claims from nameless sources, cited solely by a left-wing rag, HARDLY qualifies as sufficient.
I've asked you, at least TWICE, to show SPECIFIC evidence that Cain is guilty of what he's accused of doing. You have produced......ZIP!!
No names of alleged victims, no alleged actions or statements that could be remotely construed as sexual harrassment, no alleged severance package/settlement that the alleged victims got....NOTHING.
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The Christian thing to do is to PRESUME that SOMEONE IS INNOCENT of a charge, until sufficient evidence says otherwise.
Correct.
And when the accused is found 'not guilty' by an internal investigation in an organizion he runs...
and the accusers are paid to go away and be quiet...
and now, he assures us he knows nothing about the claims, but there is nothing to investigate... (no need...)
Well, the bullshit meter goes off.
I'm sure if the blogs were around back then, we'd all have been laughing at clinton denying getting a hummer from that fat intern too. "what your definition of "is" is..." and other nonsense like that. IMO, cain saying there's nothing to see here is right on par with that.
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Correct.
And when the accused is found 'not guilty' by an internal investigation in an organizion he runs...
and the accusers are paid to go away and be quiet...
and now, he assures us he knows nothing about the claims, but there is nothing to investigate... (no need...)
Well, the bullshit meter goes off.
I'm sure if the blogs were around back then, we'd all have been laughing at clinton denying getting a hummer from that fat intern too. "what your definition of "is" is..." and other nonsense like that. IMO, cain saying there's nothing to see here is right on par with that.
240 - lets assume the worst in this case - is it a big deal?
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By NBC's Chuck Todd, Lisa Myers, and Domenico Montanaro
NBC News has confirmed that one woman received a settlement from the National Restaurant Association after complaining about inappropriate sexual conduct by Herman Cain.
NBC News is not disclosing the name of the woman nor characterizing who she is.
Cain denied the allegations, saying on FOX this morning he was "falsely accused." "I have never sexually harassed anyone, anyone," he said, "and absolutely, these are false accusations."
Despite being the chief executive officer of the National Restaurant Association, he said he was unaware of any settlement with the accusers, though he didn't deny it.
"If the restaurant association did a settlement, I wasn't even aware of it," he claimed, "and I hope it wasn't for much. If there was a settlement, it was handled by some of the other officers at the restaurant association."
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240 - lets assume the worst in this case - is it a big deal?
i'll answer that it is now he lied and covered it up
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i'll answer that it is now he lied and covered it up
Yet you are ok w Holder committing perjury on F&F covering up his murderous corruption ? ? ? ?
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By NBC's Chuck Todd, Lisa Myers, and Domenico Montanaro
NBC News has confirmed that one woman received a settlement from the National Restaurant Association after complaining about inappropriate sexual conduct by Herman Cain.
NBC News is not disclosing the name of the woman nor characterizing who she is.
Cain denied the allegations, saying on FOX this morning he was "falsely accused." "I have never sexually harassed anyone, anyone," he said, "and absolutely, these are false accusations."
Despite being the chief executive officer of the National Restaurant Association, he said he was unaware of any settlement with the accusers, though he didn't deny it.
"If the restaurant association did a settlement, I wasn't even aware of it," he claimed, "and I hope it wasn't for much. If there was a settlement, it was handled by some of the other officers at the restaurant association."
One more time! What was this alleged "inappropriate sexual conduct"?
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i'll answer that it is now he lied and covered it up
Lied about what? You've yet to show what Cain supposedly did, other than some ridiculously vague statements from Politico.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/31/cain_on_sexual_harassment_charge_totally_baseless_and_totally_false.html
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he's done, this story isn't going away,its only getting its legs now,time to find another family values candidate :D
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he's done, this story isn't going away,its only getting its legs now,time to find another family values candidate :D
LMAO!!!!
So now this is bigger than F&F?
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240 - lets assume the worst in this case - is it a big deal?
If he tries to lie about it - Absolutely it's a big deal. Integrity. If he's a fcking liar, he shouldn't be the GOP nominee. Period.
He has made statements now that he knew nothing. If his signature is on the paper/check/settlement with the dollar amount, he knew.
Many people believe his HANDLING of this is what will sink his campaign.
If he's IN CHARGE of the restaurant organization, and money changed hands - and it was about his behavior - Then his ass knew. We all know it. If YOU ran a company, and two fckers lied and tried to make claims about you - and they were paid off - you'd never even fcking ask about how it turned out? ;)
Sorry, I don't think repubs are going to buy his "I never knew how that one worked out"... no way he didn't know the numbers and outcome. No way.
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he's done, this story isn't going away,its only getting its legs now,time to find another family values candidate :D
And, some people thought Bush was done when "Memogate" broke. We know how that turned out.
Don't bet on it, especially when Politico doesn't even have the guts to give the details on their alleged sources.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/31/politicos_martin_were_just_not_going_to_get_into_the_details_of_exactly_what_happened.html
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If you believe Hermann Cain - then you have to believe a CEO of a company never asked about the outcome/payment of 2 people who tried to ruin his career, life and marriage.
Do you believe that, 333386?
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If Herman Cain believes the charges of sexual harassment are baseless he should request the national restaurant association release his accusers from their confidentiality agreement so the American people can judge their veracity.i wouldn't hold your breath :D :D
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If he tries to lie about it - Absolutely it's a big deal. Integrity. If he's a fcking liar, he shouldn't be the GOP nominee. Period.
He has made statements now that he knew nothing. If his signature is on the paper/check/settlement with the dollar amount, he knew.
Many people believe his HANDLING of this is what will sink his campaign.
If he's IN CHARGE of the restaurant organization, and money changed hands - and it was about his behavior - Then his ass knew. We all know it. If YOU ran a company, and two fckers lied and tried to make claims about you - and they were paid off - you'd never even fcking ask about how it turned out? ;)
Sorry, I don't think repubs are going to buy his "I never knew how that one worked out"... no way he didn't know the numbers and outcome. No way.
Cain was reclused from the investigation. Why would he scratch the check? (CEOs generally don't scratch the checks anyway).
If the investigation went through and Cain was cleared, that is that. The accusers were then gone. Whether they got paid off (although, if such were a mere 5 figures, it's more likely that they got canned and got severance pay) is immateral to Cain.
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If Herman Cain believes the charges of sexual harassment are baseless he should request the national restaurant association release his accusers from their confidentiality agreement so the American people can judge their veracity.i wouldn't hold your breath :D :D
This is something that any of us would do - IF WE WERE INNOCENT.
Did you see the look on his face when the reporter asked if he was okay with the rest assoc releasing the info? Fear. It was fear. Blinked twice, swallowed, and said "no need..."
Sorry, but if two cow-ass, lying ass stunts tried to sink my CEO role - I'm screaming from the rooftops for the story to come out so that I can be vindicated.
I just don't believe cain here. I don't believe the CEO never asked out the outcome of claims against him. Nope. That's not real life. In real life, with his career and marriage in the balance, he follows every second of that outcome.
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If Herman Cain believes the charges of sexual harassment are baseless he should request the national restaurant association release his accusers from their confidentiality agreement so the American people can judge their veracity.i wouldn't hold your breath :D :D
Cain doesn't need to prove his innocence. His alleged accusers need to prove their guilt. This ain't Saudi Arabia.
If you make the charge, YOU provide the proof or kick rocks.
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This is something that any of us would do - IF WE WERE INNOCENT.
Did you see the look on his face when the reporter asked if he was okay with the rest assoc releasing the info? Fear. It was fear. Blinked twice, swallowed, and said "no need..."
Sorry, but if two cow-ass, lying ass stunts tried to sink my CEO role - I'm screaming from the rooftops for the story to come out so that I can be vindicated.
I just don't believe cain here. I don't believe the CEO never asked out the outcome of claims against him. Nope. That's not real life. In real life, with his career and marriage in the balance, he follows every second of that outcome.
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This is something that any of us would do - IF WE WERE INNOCENT.
Did you see the look on his face when the reporter asked if he was okay with the rest assoc releasing the info? Fear. It was fear. Blinked twice, swallowed, and said "no need..."
Sorry, but if two cow-ass, lying ass stunts tried to sink my CEO role - I'm screaming from the rooftops for the story to come out so that I can be vindicated.
He was vindicated. And the accusers got bounced. So, what's the problem here. And, if the company has to pay some severance, instead of their regular salaries and legal fees, all the better for the bottom corporate line.
I just don't believe cain here. I don't believe the CEO never asked out the outcome of claims against him. Nope. That's not real life. In real life, with his career and marriage in the balance, he follows every second of that outcome.
His career remained intact; his marriage unscathed; and the accusers in the unemployment line. Again, what's the problem, here?
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Cain doesn't need to prove his innocence. His alleged accusers need to prove their guilt. This ain't Saudi Arabia.
If you make the charge, YOU provide the proof or kick rocks.
sorry but if shit fling around about me and i have proof to show my innocence i'm doing it .in fact i bet 99%of us would do it.the 1% that wouldn't would not because they know their guilty
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sorry but if shit fling around about me and i have proof to show my innocence i'm doing it .in fact i bet 99%of us would do it.the 1% that wouldn't would not because they know their guilty
You mean like F&F???
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sorry but if shit fling around about me and i have proof to show my innocence i'm doing it .in fact i bet 99%of us would do it.the 1% that wouldn't would not because they know their guilty
And what is this proof that Cain is supposed to show? Again, for the nth time, what are these specific charges levied at Cain? What did he supposedly do or say that got these alleged victims all bent out of shape?
How does Cain defend himself from a nebulous, unspecified charge?
The burden of proof falls on the ACCUSERS, not the accused. That's how it works here.
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the two woman that got their silence payed off,lets here their side of the story,oh unless were trying to hide something
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the two woman that got their silence payed off,lets here their side of the story,oh unless were trying to hide something
Once again, you're presuming Cain's guilt with virtually no proof whatsoever. And, their alleged payoff is hardly an indicator of their being silenced.
As I've stated earlier, if you bring up such a charge and it turns out to be false, more than likely you're going to get fired. At best, you get what these women supposedly got, a nice severance package.
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This is good for Cain
he can bow out of the race and play the victim card rather than have to bow when he is unable to defend his absurd policy positions
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This is good for Cain
he can bow out of the race and play the victim card rather than have to bow when he is unable to defend his absurd policy positions
LMFAO!!!!! As opposed to whose policies positions obama??? LMFAO!!!!
Beacon, Solyndra, F&F, LightSquared, etc - moron!
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Once again, you're presuming Cain's guilt with virtually no proof whatsoever. And, their alleged payoff is hardly an indicator of their being silenced.
As I've stated earlier, if you bring up such a charge and it turns out to be false, more than likely you're going to get fired. At best, you get what these women supposedly got, a nice severance package.
By NBC's Chuck Todd, Lisa Myers, and Domenico Montanaro
NBC News has confirmed that one woman received a settlement from the National Restaurant Association after complaining about inappropriate sexual conduct by Herman Cain.
NBC News is not disclosing the name of the woman nor characterizing who she is.
Cain denied the allegations, saying on FOX this morning he was "falsely accused." "I have never sexually harassed anyone, anyone," he said, "and absolutely, these are false accusations."
Despite being the chief executive officer of the National Restaurant Association, he said he was unaware of any settlement with the accusers, though he didn't deny it.
"If the restaurant association did a settlement, I wasn't even aware of it," he claimed, "and I hope it wasn't for much. If there was a settlement, it was handled by some of the other officers at the restaurant association."
you keep on saying nice severance package nbc reported that she got a settlement ,not a nice severance package
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By NBC's Chuck Todd, Lisa Myers, and Domenico Montanaro
NBC News has confirmed that one woman received a settlement from the National Restaurant Association after complaining about inappropriate sexual conduct by Herman Cain.
NBC News is not disclosing the name of the woman nor characterizing who she is.
Cain denied the allegations, saying on FOX this morning he was "falsely accused." "I have never sexually harassed anyone, anyone," he said, "and absolutely, these are false accusations."
Despite being the chief executive officer of the National Restaurant Association, he said he was unaware of any settlement with the accusers, though he didn't deny it.
"If the restaurant association did a settlement, I wasn't even aware of it," he claimed, "and I hope it wasn't for much. If there was a settlement, it was handled by some of the other officers at the restaurant association."
you keep on saying nice severance package nbc reported that she got a settlement ,not a nice severance package
I say "severance package", because allegedly it was 5 figures. Regardless, settlement/severance package means SQUAT, in terms of whether Cain is guilty of what he stands accused. An investigation was done and Cain WAS CLEARED!
Cain gets cleared and the accuser get fired, gets her settlement/severance package and goes away.
So, for the nth time, what are the SPECIFIC charges being hurled at Cain, and what's the evidence to back them up?
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This is good for Cain
he can bow out of the race and play the victim card rather than have to bow when he is unable to defend his absurd policy positions
Don't bet on it. Cain is in this until the end.
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Don't bet on it. Cain is in this until the end.
Amazing how the far leftist scum gravitate to threads like this and avoid like the plague anything on F&F, Solyndra, Light Squared, etc.
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5 figures, huh?
and the CEO who was accused knew nothing of the outcome?
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit, his ass was following it closer than anyone, you know that.
his political ambitions, his cushy job. Hell, I'm betting his wife of 43 years never caught wind of these "allegations" from multiple people.
Hell, he probably isn't worried about the political pressure. He's probably getting chewed out at home for this shit lol... wives don't fall for that "gee whiz honey, I have no idea why multiple women made such crazy claims.. NO NEED to look into it..."
i tell you what fellahs, if any of our women came home from work one day with some nonsense about "oh yeah, two of my male co workers said I was sexually harassing them, but there's no need to investigate, we paid them off and it's over..."
we'd be shitting bricks lol..................... .......
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I say "severance package", because allegedly it was 5 figures. Regardless, settlement/severance package means SQUAT, in terms of whether Cain is guilty of what he stands accused. An investigation was done and Cain WAS CLEARED!
Cain gets cleared and the accuser get fired, gets her settlement/severance package and goes away.
So, for the nth time, what are the SPECIFIC charges being hurled at Cain, and what's the evidence to back them up?
source on investigation that said he was cleared
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source on investigation that said he was cleared
He said so. :)
He told us that he didn't know how much $ was given, so he only has incomplete info.
You have cain's word. His self-serving word. That's the basis for the entire defense. His word.
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He said so. :)
He told us that he didn't know how much $ was given, so he only has incomplete info.
You have cain's word. His self-serving word. That's the basis for the entire defense. His word.
well he has them family values,so a guess that's good enough for me :D :D :D :D sad but i think thats how some on this board think
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well he has them family values,so a guess that's good enough for me :D :D :D :D sad but i think thats how some on this board think
He could have released the restaurant organization to release the information with names redacted, along with their findings.
He didn't expect that question. "uh, no!" "No need!"
Cain really is in over his head here. I fear how he would behave in diplomatic situations. Romney/Paul... I don't see Cain/Perry being anything but an embarassment.
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Don't bet on it. Cain is in this until the end.
he has no campaign structure
he might hang around for the first few primaries unless he self destructs before then
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he has no campaign structure
he might hang around for the first few primaries unless he self destructs before then
nonsense. he has 3 people working for him on the ground in new hampshire alone.
that's more than enough to cover 800,000 voters.
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Herman Cain contradicts former National Restaurant Association HR chief on investigation
Edited on Mon Oct-31-11 03:36 PM by jefferson_dem
Herman Cain contradicts former National Restaurant Association HR chief on investigation
By JONATHAN MARTIN | 10/31/11 3:08 PM EDT Updated: 10/31/11 3:14 PM EDT
Herman Cain said in his speech today that the National Restaurant Association’s general counsel and the human resources department conducted an investigation into allegations about his conduct in the late-90s.
But the head of the association’s human resources department at the time said in an interview with POLITICO last week that she was unfamiliar with any complaints from female employees about Cain.
<SNIP>
But Cain said flatly in his National Press Club speech today that Ose’s department today actually conducted the probe into his conduct.
“I recused myself and allowed my general counsel and my human resource officer to deal with the situation and it was concluded after a thorough investigation that it had no basis,” the former association CEO said.
Reached at her home today following Cain’s speech, Ose was told of what the GOP presidential hopeful had said about her and was asked about the contradiction.
“He did not say that,” she insisted.
Read the direct quote from Cain, Ose responded: “You and I have talked and I have nothing to say.”
She then hung up.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67259.html#ix...
hahahaha keep digging
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Cain's Former Secretary: This Is Not the Herman Cain I Know
Former staffers call sexual harassment allegations unbelievable.
Michael Warren
October 31, 2011 12:56 PM
Presidential candidate Herman Cain's campaign has been rocked by a Politico report that revealed Cain was accused of sexual harassment by two female employees during his stint at the National Restaurant Association. Cain told Fox News this morning that he has “never sexually harassed anyone” but confirmed that he was accused of doing so in the past, claiming such accusations were "false." Past employees of Cain, including his long-time female executive assistant, have told THE WEEKLY STANDARD that the charges are unbelievable.
“It’s just not Herman,” says Sibby Wolfson, who was Cain's executive assistant from 1997 through his first campaign for office in 2004, in a phone interview. “He’s got a lovely wife, a lovely family.”
Did Wolfson ever see Cain act in a way that could be construed as sexual harassment? “No, God, no,” she says. “Nothing. Absolutely nothing. In fact, I think Herman was careful to act in the opposite way.”
Those who know Cain from his 2004 run for one of Georgia's U.S. Senate seats say the allegations are completely out of character.
“Never once have I ever seen anything but professional behavior” from Cain, says Matt Carrothers, who was Cain’s political director from December 2003 to July 2004. “I find [the allegations] extremely hard to believe,” Carrothers says in a phone interview.
After Cain lost the GOP primary in 2004, Carrothers continued to work for him at New Voice, Inc., the company from where Cain launched his radio show and syndicated column. Carrothers was at New Voice until July 2007, when the company scaled back operations as Cain’s treatment for cancer progressed. During those nearly four years, Carrothers says, he worked with Cain every day. Carrothers says he even asked Cain to officiate his wedding, and Cain, an associate Baptist minister, did so.
“This is a man of incredible character,” Carrothers says. “He has nothing but respect for women.”
Other veterans of the 2004 campaign agree. "The allegations seem completely unbelievable to me," says Karol Markowicz, who was Cain's assistant press secretary in '04. "He was never anything but a completely perfect gentleman." She says many who worked on that campaign have the same assessment.
"Sometimes someone is nice or good to you personally but you know they behave a different way toward other people," Markowicz says. "Herman is not like that. I never saw one moment where he wavered from being an upstanding, solid person."
Mark Harris, who was Pat Toomey’s campaign director in 2010, worked for Cain in 2004 and calls him a “great guy.”
“My experience with him in 2004 is that he was nothing but a gentleman,” Harris says in a phone interview. He says the sexual harassment allegations don’t fit Cain’s profile. “It’s not the Herman Cain I got to know.”
Ditto, says Alex Brunk, who was Cain’s deputy political director in 2004. “I never saw him treat women inappropriately or heard of him treating women inappropriately,” Brunk says.
Those who knew Cain since 2004 describe him as a “normal person,” in contrast, they say, with most politicians. They also cite the fact that Cain often placed women in important positions in his companies and organizations. Ericka Pertierra, for instance, worked for the Senate campaign before becoming chief operating officer of New Voice. None had heard about these allegations, however, until yesterday.
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Cain's Former Secretary: This Is Not the Herman Cain I Know
Former staffers call sexual harassment allegations unbelievable.
Michael Warren
October 31, 2011 12:56 PM
Presidential candidate Herman Cain's campaign has been rocked by a Politico report that revealed Cain was accused of sexual harassment by two female employees during his stint at the National Restaurant Association. Cain told Fox News this morning that he has “never sexually harassed anyone” but confirmed that he was accused of doing so in the past, claiming such accusations were "false." Past employees of Cain, including his long-time female executive assistant, have told THE WEEKLY STANDARD that the charges are unbelievable.
“It’s just not Herman,” says Sibby Wolfson, who was Cain's executive assistant from 1997 through his first campaign for office in 2004, in a phone interview. “He’s got a lovely wife, a lovely family.”
Did Wolfson ever see Cain act in a way that could be construed as sexual harassment? “No, God, no,” she says. “Nothing. Absolutely nothing. In fact, I think Herman was careful to act in the opposite way.”
Those who know Cain from his 2004 run for one of Georgia's U.S. Senate seats say the allegations are completely out of character.
“Never once have I ever seen anything but professional behavior” from Cain, says Matt Carrothers, who was Cain’s political director from December 2003 to July 2004. “I find [the allegations] extremely hard to believe,” Carrothers says in a phone interview.
After Cain lost the GOP primary in 2004, Carrothers continued to work for him at New Voice, Inc., the company from where Cain launched his radio show and syndicated column. Carrothers was at New Voice until July 2007, when the company scaled back operations as Cain’s treatment for cancer progressed. During those nearly four years, Carrothers says, he worked with Cain every day. Carrothers says he even asked Cain to officiate his wedding, and Cain, an associate Baptist minister, did so.
“This is a man of incredible character,” Carrothers says. “He has nothing but respect for women.”
Other veterans of the 2004 campaign agree. "The allegations seem completely unbelievable to me," says Karol Markowicz, who was Cain's assistant press secretary in '04. "He was never anything but a completely perfect gentleman." She says many who worked on that campaign have the same assessment.
"Sometimes someone is nice or good to you personally but you know they behave a different way toward other people," Markowicz says. "Herman is not like that. I never saw one moment where he wavered from being an upstanding, solid person."
Mark Harris, who was Pat Toomey’s campaign director in 2010, worked for Cain in 2004 and calls him a “great guy.”
“My experience with him in 2004 is that he was nothing but a gentleman,” Harris says in a phone interview. He says the sexual harassment allegations don’t fit Cain’s profile. “It’s not the Herman Cain I got to know.”
Ditto, says Alex Brunk, who was Cain’s deputy political director in 2004. “I never saw him treat women inappropriately or heard of him treating women inappropriately,” Brunk says.
Those who knew Cain since 2004 describe him as a “normal person,” in contrast, they say, with most politicians. They also cite the fact that Cain often placed women in important positions in his companies and organizations. Ericka Pertierra, for instance, worked for the Senate campaign before becoming chief operating officer of New Voice. None had heard about these allegations, however, until yesterday.
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big deal thats what they said about ted bundy
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Yeah the allegations against Cain are the same as Bundy.
you are the typical far left commie traitor marxist wretch.
F U you commie nut!
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I couldn't believe John Edwards was dumb enough to have an affair while running for POTUS and then I couldn't believe he was dumb enough to not use a condom.
guys do dumb stuff all the time, especially when it involves woman
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cnn reporting that there was no investigation done by the human resources department ,shit is starting to hit the fan
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Yeah the allegations against Cain are the same as Bundy.
you are the typical far left commie traitor marxist wretch.
F U you commie nut!
333 - I believe you are the only true commie sympathizer on this board
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cnn reporting that there was no investigation done by the human resources department ,shit is starting to hit the fan
Oh shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no wonder "I have no idea what the outcome was.........."
That shit got swept under rug, they were paid off and sent packing.
Watch - one of them will find some legal loophole and be on Piers Morgan giving an interview in a week lol..........
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Wow, so allegations from 20 yrs ago are a "big deal" to the same people who had no problem with Clinton blowing a load on an intern....while married....while president....while sitting in the oval office.....oh brother.... ::)
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333 - I believe you are the only true commie sympathizer on this board
I view commies and socialists like Father Karas views Satan
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it's not the crime that sinks politicians............. .
IT"S THE COVER UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They think they can just lie their way out of shit, with that condescending ass, smug attitude. It's like the OWS goons with "the world OWES me a job because I have a degree".
Cain tries to bullshit us. Period. Just be honest. "They made some claims, I completely disagreed, we settled..."
A line as simple as that would have ended ALL OF THIS. instead he shoots off some half-cocked lies.
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I view commies and socialists like Father Karas views Satan
fine with me
i'm just saying that I view you as the sole communist on this board
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I couldn't believe John Edwards was dumb enough to have an affair while running for POTUS and then I couldn't believe he was dumb enough to not use a condom.
I do dumb stuff all the time, especially when it involves woman men
I'm glad you are being honest with yourself.
There was the incident between you and the male gym teacher when you were running for class President in High School. Your decision not to use a condom is probably what ended up losing the election for you.
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Cain admitted to FOX that one of the women got 3 months' salary as a severance package. Will air tonight on Greta.
During the speech today, he said he had no idea what any of them got $$$.
Two conflicting statements, by Cain, on the same day.
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I'm glad you are being honest with yourself.
There was the incident between you and the male gym teacher when you were running for class President in High School. Your decision not to use a condom is probably what ended up losing the election for you.
projection much?
obviously you've repressed something that happened to you and the only way your brain can make you feel safe is to project it onto someone else
seriously man, why don't you just get it over with and come out of the closet
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More cain info.................... ............
NBC has one of the women, identity and other details.
Cain invited one of the women to his hotel suite... she complained about the matter to a board member at the organization.
There was physical contact.
There were suggestive statements/language.
Supposedly there is more to come now. He's doing a fox interview tonight, and he's starting to admit things that he denied earlier.
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Cover up WHAT? These are allegations, from unconfirmed, unnamed sources.
not anymore. They're coming fwd. they have names. still doing the legal wrangling, and there may have been no investigation at all - just a payoff.
The different networks are breaking with new details every hour.
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Fox News, Geraldo Rivera and Karl Rove demanding answers from Cain and his campaign. . . Well, there goes the theory that this is a liberal media hatchet job.
However, what the Republican establishment has done here is breathtaking. They leaked the info and then sent out their "consultants" with talking points in hand and timed it all to match up with Cain's appearance today at the National Press Club. They are happy to have the Tea Party votes but they sure as hell do not want their sister to marry one.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67223.html#ixzz1cOdkqqX4
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all he has to do is the jimmy swaggart thing and cry like a baby ,and all the bible thumpers will be behind him
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Obviously somebody is scared of ol Herman.
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Obviously somebody is scared of ol Herman.
240 and blackass have together made more posts in this thread alone than they have on F&F, Solyndra, Light Squared, et al combined.
Says a lot no?
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Obviously somebody is scared of ol Herman.
rumor has it was on of the other repub cannidates
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Yet again...to 3's above point. Nobody cares that your fucking worthless AG armed mexi gangs or that Odumbass backed a failing company with our money. Nope...first we got Bush did it, then when that didn't stick we got silence. Now this crap with Cain, a guy who's interesting but won't get nominated. I find it hard to believe that he would run with this out there and serious. Payoffs aren't an admission of guilt. I'm sure there may be some smoke to the fire but its sorta early to jump to conclusions...but oh yeah its a black conservative...just like it was a latino conservative. I guess u worthless asshats have to protect that voting base.
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rumor has it was on of the other repub cannidates
Larry sinclaire?
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I'm sure there may be some smoke to the fire but its sorta early to jump to conclusions...
Immediately after telling the press club that he had no idea what the payoff was, Cain did an interview with greta.
A few minutes later, he told Greta for a fox recording that one of the women received 3 months' salary.
Now, he has changed his story. Period. He didn't know anything, but if he did, then it wasn't that big a thing? lol...
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Yet again...to 3's above point. Nobody cares that your fucking worthless AG armed mexi gangs or that Odumbass backed a failing company with our money. Nope...first we got Bush did it, then when that didn't stick we got silence. Now this crap with Cain, a guy who's interesting but won't get nominated. I find it hard to believe that he would run with this out there and serious. Payoffs aren't an admission of guilt. I'm sure there may be some smoke to the fire but its sorta early to jump to conclusions...but oh yeah its a black conservative...just like it was a latino conservative. I guess u worthless asshats have to protect that voting base.
holy meltdown batman :D
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Immediately after telling the press club that he had no idea what the payoff was, Cain did an interview with greta.
A few minutes later, he told Greta for a fox recording that one of the women received 3 months' salary.
Now, he has changed his story. Period. He didn't know anything, but if he did, then it wasn't that big a thing? lol...
the guys a compulsive liar,he will fit right in as a politician
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cnn just put it all together ,this guy is a lying bullshit artist :D
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cnn just put it all together ,this guy is a lying bullshit artist :D
Yet you voted for obama despite the fact that he lied about Rev. Wright. LMFAO! ! ! ! !
fuck you you communist wretch. take a hammer and sickle and shove it up your twat along w 180.
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cnn just put it all together ,this guy is a lying bullshit artist :D
wow, he's made multiple lies about it now... CNN showing the comparisons of his statements... Cain's been lying, guys.
if he wants to be a freak - then just be a freak. Who cares.
But LYING about it.. that is what will sink him. And now, this might be why he left the restaurant group? Geez...
Cain's assistant "Not that I recall..." over and over about the allegations. She's a company man. Good lawyer talk, though.
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Yet you voted for obama despite the fact that he lied about Rev. Wright. LMFAO! ! ! ! !
fuck you you communist wretch. take a hammer and sickle and shove it up your twat along w 180.
you defend Cain by attacking a getbig member. nice.
LMAO.... suddenly his exec assitant is having a "oh yeah, I kinda remember... something may have come up about these allegations..."
hahahaha john king has this woman melting on her own story in the span of 45 seconds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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this is classic there interviewing his assistant and they ask her if she heard about it and she says no ,then they keep grilling her and she says maybe i do remember :D :D :D :D
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you defend Cain by attacking a getbig member. nice.
LMAO.... suddenly his exec assitant is having a "oh yeah, I kinda remember... something may have come up about these allegations..."
hahahaha john king has this woman melting on her own story in the span of 45 seconds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Defend Cain????? U defend the guy thats actually running things alll day long. You've lost it. Besides I don't know about 3 but libs like Blacken are the enemy..there's no getbig brotherhood...if you voted for Obama and still support the guy...we're not brothers.
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Snore!
This is the kind of tabloid garbage that keeps good people like Cain out of politics.
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If Cain did this crap he should get out...only because this should matter. If he was a Dem all the lib douchbag surrogates would be apologizing for him like we saw in 2008.
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Defend Cain????? U defend the guy thats actually running things alll day long. You've lost it. Besides I don't know about 3 but libs like Blacken are the enemy..there's no getbig brotherhood...if you voted for Obama and still support the guy...we're not brothers.
oh brother blaming me because your man is lying,
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According to Blackass and 240 -
GUN RUNNING
BILLIONS TO CRONIES IN SOLAR COMPANIES
PRESSURING A AF GENERAL TO CHANGE TESTIMONY
PISSING AWAY TRILLIONS ON BAILOUTS
PISSING AWAY A TRILLION ON BOGUS STIM BILL
SUPPORTING GZ MOSQUE
SUPPORTING KSM TRIAL IN NYC
SUPPORTING ISLAMISTS
SUPPORTING MARXISTS IN HONDURAS
SUPPORTING THE COLLAPSE OF COAL INDUSTRY
IS ALL OK!!!!
Cain saying some lude statements 20 years ago - not ok.
THAT IS WHAT THE FUCK WE HAVE COME TO.
FUCK OFF 180 AND BLACKEN W YOUR HYPOCRISY AND DOUBLE STANDARDS!
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oh brother blaming me because your man is lying,
He's not my guy...I'm for anybody who can beat Obama. Anybody who runs on the repub side will be center right to farther right. I'd like Newt but he is unelectable. He'd crush Obama in a debate....but since u libs are all touchy/hopey and can't deal with facts..u'd spin it that Newt is mean or some other bullshit. I like Santorum as well. Cain's fine..a little light in the foreign policy area but at this point anybody would be better then Odumbass.
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According to Blackass and 240 -
GUN RUNNING
BILLIONS TO CRONIES IN SOLAR COMPANIES
PRESSURING A AF GENERAL TO CHANGE TESTIMONY
PISSING AWAY TRILLIONS ON BAILOUTS
PISSING AWAY A TRILLION ON BOGUS STIM BILL
SUPPORTING GZ MOSQUE
SUPPORTING KSM TRIAL IN NYC
SUPPORTING ISLAMISTS
SUPPORTING MARXISTS IN HONDURAS
SUPPORTING THE COLLAPSE OF COAL INDUSTRY
IS ALL OK!!!!
Cain saying some lude statements 20 years ago - not ok.
THAT IS WHAT THE FUCK WE HAVE COME TO.
FUCK OFF 180 AND BLACKEN W YOUR HYPOCRISY AND DOUBLE STANDARDS!
And this is just to begin with.....what happens if the damm Israeli's nuke Iran or vice versa. I guess barry will get his wish of 9 buck gas.
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According to Blackass and 240 -
GUN RUNNING
BILLIONS TO CRONIES IN SOLAR COMPANIES
PRESSURING A AF GENERAL TO CHANGE TESTIMONY
PISSING AWAY TRILLIONS ON BAILOUTS
PISSING AWAY A TRILLION ON BOGUS STIM BILL
SUPPORTING GZ MOSQUE
SUPPORTING KSM TRIAL IN NYC
SUPPORTING ISLAMISTS
SUPPORTING MARXISTS IN HONDURAS
SUPPORTING THE COLLAPSE OF COAL INDUSTRY
IS ALL OK!!!!
Cain saying some lude statements 20 years ago - not ok.
THAT IS WHAT THE FUCK WE HAVE COME TO.
FUCK OFF 180 AND BLACKEN W YOUR HYPOCRISY AND DOUBLE STANDARDS!
jesus 333
off your meds again?
why the meltdown
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there pissed the front runner is showing his colors,hey better now than later
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Oh shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no wonder "I have no idea what the outcome was.........."
That shit got swept under rug, they were paid off and sent packing.
Watch - one of them will find some legal loophole and be on Piers Morgan giving an interview in a week lol..........
How did it get swept under the rug? Cain said an investigation was done and he was cleared.
That leaves the accusers with one of two choices:
1) Go for a frivolous lawsuit, lose, get fired anyway, and end up with nothing but a stack of legal bills.
2) Cut their losses, take severance pay and walk.
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http://www.breakingeconomics.com/2011/10/geraldo-rivera-grills-herman-cains.html
:D :D :D :D :D
The guy wouldnt even answer a basic yes or no question and he never denied it. lol Its fucking pretty simple.
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How did it get swept under the rug? Cain said an investigation was done and he was cleared.
That leaves the accusers with one of two choices:
1) Go for a frivolous lawsuit, lose, get fired anyway, and end up with nothing but a stack of legal bills.
2) Cut their losses, take severance pay and walk.
have you been watching the news,oh thats right you watch fox.
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have you been watching the news,oh thats right you watch fox.
I sure do!! And so do million more, FAR MORE than watch that dredge you view on MSNBC
Once again, what are the specific charges?
More importantly, Cain states that the investigation was done and he was cleared. Where's the evidence to the contrary?
And, as I stated earlier, the accusers got severance pay, NOT a so-called settlement. That would suggest they got canned after Cain got cleared.
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I sure do!! And so do million more, FAR MORE than watch that dredge you view on MSNBC
Once again, what are the specific charges?
More importantly, Cain states that the investigation was done and he was cleared. Where's the evidence to the contrary?
And, as I stated earlier, the accusers got severance pay, NOT a so-called settlement. That would suggest they got canned after Cain got cleared.
cain states hahahah the guy been lying all day if thats the best you have i can see why you watch fox
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cain states hahahah the guy been lying all day if thats the best you have i can see why you watch fox
And, based on your inability to address specific questions, given to you multiple times, I see why you watch MSNBC.
One more time, where are the specifics that state that Cain is guilty of what he stands accused, that he was NOT cleared in an investigation?
These accusers got severance pay (what I said they were getting, all along). Why did they settle for 5-figure SEVERANCE PAY, if Cain committed these undefined but supposedly heinous actions, especially given that, in the 90s, women who were legitimate victims of harrrassment got broke off with MILLIONS (or high six-figures, at least)?
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Sorry - but fellahs... if you ask a chick to your hotel room and you're a married dude - YOU REMEMBER THAT SHIT. it's that big a deal - particularly if you've been married 40 years and you're a church singer like Cain. Not buying this "I dont recall..."
JUDY WOODRUFF: And there was some mention of a hotel room at a convention or at a meeting. Did any one of these women, were they ever asked to meet you, or....
HERMAN CAIN: That I absolutely do not recall. You know, I have no recollection of that
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How did it get swept under the rug? Cain said an investigation was done and he was cleared.
That leaves the accusers with one of two choices:
1) Go for a frivolous lawsuit, lose, get fired anyway, and end up with nothing but a stack of legal bills.
2) Cut their losses, take severance pay and walk.
because no one gave a shit about Cain or took him seriously until his recent rise in the polls
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this is classic there interviewing his assistant and they ask her if she heard about it and she says no ,then they keep grilling her and she says maybe i do remember :D :D :D :D
HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA
Fcking brilliant. this stuff is historical and amusing at the same time. WTF is she doing on TV?
LOL>... if my boss was running for prez, and CNN called me with some Qs about a scandal, I'd tell them to fck off. Unless it was her chance to screw over her boss. You could tell she was lying for him... then she finally caves. People with that low IQ... you ask them the same question 3 times, and the 4th time they start to embellish LMAO
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1) I've said Obama belongs in a jail cell for F&F, 333386. So until I change my POV on this, it's a little unfair for you to attack me on that.
2) Cain lied to Americca today. That's not a liberal lie. That's his direct comments, 30 minutes apart. Now he's playing word games around rather or not he tried to bang a co-worker in his hotel room:
JUDY WOODRUFF: And there was some mention of a hotel room at a convention or at a meeting. Did any one of these women, were they ever asked to meet you, or....
HERMAN CAIN: That I absolutely do not recall. You know, I have no recollection of that
LMAO...... Oh yes, he remembers that. And if he didn't remember asking it, he damn sure got his memory refreshed when the chick brought a lawsuit about it. That "I forget..." stuff worked for a senile reagan, but you can't pull it BEFORE you even get the prez job!
Cain is history after that. It will help Perry and Paul. Romney too, probably. Some repubs who gave up on perry might just unite behind romney, particularly since Perry gave that sick rant speech yesterday :(
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because no one gave a shit about Cain or took him seriously until his recent rise in the polls
Try that again. 240 claimed that the COMPANY swept this issue under the rug.
You don't sweep something under the rug with an investigation. There's a claim of an investigation done and Cain being CLEARED.
That means, if Cain was cleared, the accusers' claims have no merit and, as stated earlier, they have two options.
Cut their losses; take their severance pay and go home. Or, pay out of pocket, file a suit, LOSE, and end up with nothing but a mountain of legal fees.
A five-figure severance package hardly suggests that Cain was guilty of any impropriety, especially in an era of women with legitimate gripes getting MILLIONS.
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that may all be correct, MCWAY.
This does not change the fact that Cain told us from the pressclub mic that he had no idea of the outcome settlement.
Then he walked off the stage, sat down with Greta, and told us she got 8 to 12 weeks pay, less than she was after, and other details.
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240 - you have more posts , along w blackcunt and straw, in this thread alone than all the Obama scandals combined.
Doesnt that tell you something jackass?
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240 - you have more posts , along w blackcunt and straw, in this thread alone than all the Obama scandals combined.
Doesnt that tell you something jackass?
very simple, my angry cold friend...........
I look at those threads, share my believe that obama is a POS criminal on page 1, and there is really nowhere to go from there. I mean "hey, me too, let's do a circle jerk" just doesn't do it for me. I agree obama is guilty in FF and belongs in jail with bush and holder - of course.
In this case - Cain is a liar, plain and simple. He's playing the 'I forget if I invited that stunt to my hotel room or not....." bullshit.
He's a liar, he's not the straight-fwd guy he claimed to be. Obama will destroy him, if he gets the nomination.
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240 - you have more posts , along w blackcunt and straw, in this thread alone than all the Obama scandals combined.
Doesnt that tell you something jackass?
I'm still waiting for what this allegedly heinous actions of Cain were and any evidence, to the contrary, regarding Cain's being cleared by the investigation done.
3 month's pay??? That's what? 20-25 grand at best.
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very simple, my angry cold friend...........
I look at those threads, share my believe that obama is a POS criminal on page 1, and there is really nowhere to go from there. I mean "hey, me too, let's do a circle jerk" just doesn't do it for me. I agree obama is guilty in FF and belongs in jail with bush and holder - of course.
In this case - Cain is a liar, plain and simple. He's playing the 'I forget if I invited that stunt to my hotel room or not....." bullshit.
He's a liar, he's not the straight-fwd guy he claimed to be. Obama will destroy him, if he gets the nomination.
Obama will do no such thing, not with 9% umemployment, ObamaCare, Solyndra, MF Mutual, Cash-4-Clunkers, etc. hanging over his head.
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Obama will do no such thing, not with 9% umemployment, ObamaCare, Solyndra, MF Mutual, Cash-4-Clunkers, etc. hanging over his head.
which is why despite all his fuccck ups, and the terrible shape the nation is in...
obama is still essentiall tied with the repub candidate in polls and on intrde. We're in a great depression! He should be trailing by 20 points!
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That's because those who support Obama like blackass are not affected by this depression. These commie c u n t s are on welfare and are immune to this and will vote for Obama even if he killed a nun on live tv.
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Cain: “I was falsely accused” of sexual harassment at trade group (Watch FOX News VIDEO)
Hotair ^ | 10/31/2011 | Ed Morrissey
Posted on October 31, 2011 12:48:36 PM EDT by SeekAndFind
Herman Cain acted swiftly to put an end to speculation over the story about sexual-harassment claims during his tenure at the National Restaurant Association. After a few hours of confused response, Cain admitted that he had been accused, but falsely, of inappropriate conduct. He claimed that an investigation of those accusations showed at the time that they were “baseless,” and he seemed surprised by the news that the trade group settled the claims. “I hope it wasn’t for much,” Cain told Fox News, “because nothing happened”:
“I have never sexually harassed anyone, but yes, I was falsely accused while I was at the National Restaurant Association,” he said.
He added that he does not know that a settlement was paid out against the two complainants, and said “If more allegations come, I assure you that people will simply make them up.”
“The only other allegations will be trumped up allegations,” he said.
This is a much better response than the one offered last night in response to the Politico story. It acknowledges that Cain had to deal with accusations, and puts him on the record with a strong denial specific to them. Unless Politico reveals more about the nature of the complaints and the women involved come forward, this will likely be enough to keep Cain in the game, as it’s doubtful that voters will give much credence to the vague nature of the allegations — unless they get a lot less vague, and unless more people come forward with complaints, assuming they can credibly do so.
Fox also asked about a story in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about possible campaign finance irregularities. I’ll have more on that later, but that hits Cain’s staff rather than Cain himself.
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Cain: In my opinion, I did nothing inappropriate
hotair ^ | Tuesday October 31, 2011 | Allahpundit
Posted on October 31, 2011 10:00:42 PM EDT by Bigtigermike
Not the only maybe-interesting-maybe-not hedge from tonight’s PBS interview. Business Insider highlights this exchange as evidence that the scandal’s still alive:
JUDY WOODRUFF: And there was some mention of a hotel room at a convention or at a meeting. Did any one of these women, were they ever asked to meet you, or….
HERMAN CAIN: That I absolutely do not recall. You know, I have no recollection of that.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Was there any behavior on your part that you think might have been inappropriate?
HERMAN CAIN: In my opinion, no. But as you would imagine, it’s in the eye of the person who thinks that maybe I crossed the line.
One of the difficulties of this story is trying to gauge whether an unpolished, inexperienced non-pol like Cain is capable of slick deceitful parsing or whether, as usual, he’s simply winging it and stumbling into inartful phrasing that raises doubts inadvertently. Remember, this is a guy who’s had to explain his position on abortion five or six times over the last few weeks because he couldn’t get through an unmuddled answer. Maybe he really doesn’t recall what happened back then and doesn’t want to get caught in a “lie” if it turns out he had a business meeting with one of the accusers in his hotel room. Maybe he’s being precise about his “opinion” because his lawyers warned him that there’s some sort of nondisparagement clause in the settlements that discourages him from asserting that his accusers are liars. Or maybe he’s much craftier than we all think and really is engaged in a bit of Clintonian hedging here. It’s hard enough determining the truth when we have so few facts, but when the candidate himself is a question mark, it’s impossible.
(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...
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Revealed: Cain describes hand gesture that led to harassment claim
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/31/revealed-cain-describes-hand-gesture-that-led-to-harassment-claim-update-small-settlement-says-cain/ ^
Posted on October 31, 2011 8:38:06 PM EDT by chessplayer
"Cain told van Susteren that he remembered one woman who was a writer in the Association’s communications department. “I can’t even remember her name, but I do remember the formal allegation she made in terms of sexual harassment,” Cain said. “I turned it over to my general counsel and one of the ladies that worked for me, the woman in charge of human resources. They did investigate…and it was found to be baseless.”
"Van Susteren asked Cain how often he saw the woman. “I might see her in the office because her office was on the same floor as my office,” Cain said. Van Susteren asked whether the woman traveled with Cain, who spent a lot of time on the road speaking to restaurant associations around the country. “No, never,” Cain said…"
Van Susteren asked what Cain did that led to the accusation. There were reportedly more than one accusations in the complaint, but Cain said he recalled just one incident. “She was in my office one day, and I made a gesture saying — and I was standing close to her — and I made a gesture saying you are the same height as my wife. And I brought my hand up to my chin saying, ‘My wife comes up to my chin.’” At that point, Cain gestured with his flattened palm near his chin. “And that was put in there [the complaint] as something that made her uncomfortable,” Cain said, “something that was in the sexual harassment charge.”
Let's burn him at the stake right 240?
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That's because those who support Obama like blackass are not affected by this depression. These commie c u n t s are on welfare and are immune to this and will vote for Obama even if he killed a nun on live tv.
hahahaha i have a 3000sq ft. house with a 3 car garage and you live in a dirty apartment and i'm on welfare ::)
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hahahaha i have a 3000sq ft. house with a 3 car garage and you live in a dirty apartment and i'm on welfare ::)
OMFG. LOL. Bro, you can't even spell your damn name!
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the fu#king liar changed his story all day long and you still beleive him ,braaahahahah priceless
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OMFG. LOL. Bro, you can't even spell your damn name!
i'm a shitty speller i'll admit that
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the fu#king liar changed his story all day long and you still beleive him ,braaahahahah priceless
I am assuming it's 100 percent true and don't think it's a big deal at all.
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i'm a shitty speller i'll admit that
whatever. I'm sure they give remedial classes at the group home for you if you avail yourself of that.
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which is why despite all his fuccck ups, and the terrible shape the nation is in...
obama is still essentiall tied with the repub candidate in polls and on intrde. We're in a great depression! He should be trailing by 20 points!
Essentially tied usually means that the undecided folks will go with the challenger. If this keeps up, Obama is all but doomed.
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i agree it wasn't that big of a deal,but him lying all day and trying to hide it made it a big deal,shows what kind of person he is
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Revealed: Cain describes hand gesture that led to harassment claim
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/31/revealed-cain-describes-hand-gesture-that-led-to-harassment-claim-update-small-settlement-says-cain/ ^
Posted on October 31, 2011 8:38:06 PM EDT by chessplayer
"Cain told van Susteren that he remembered one woman who was a writer in the Association’s communications department. “I can’t even remember her name, but I do remember the formal allegation she made in terms of sexual harassment,” Cain said. “I turned it over to my general counsel and one of the ladies that worked for me, the woman in charge of human resources. They did investigate…and it was found to be baseless.”
"Van Susteren asked Cain how often he saw the woman. “I might see her in the office because her office was on the same floor as my office,” Cain said. Van Susteren asked whether the woman traveled with Cain, who spent a lot of time on the road speaking to restaurant associations around the country. “No, never,” Cain said…"
Van Susteren asked what Cain did that led to the accusation. There were reportedly more than one accusations in the complaint, but Cain said he recalled just one incident. “She was in my office one day, and I made a gesture saying — and I was standing close to her — and I made a gesture saying you are the same height as my wife. And I brought my hand up to my chin saying, ‘My wife comes up to my chin.’” At that point, Cain gestured with his flattened palm near his chin. “And that was put in there [the complaint] as something that made her uncomfortable,” Cain said, “something that was in the sexual harassment charge.”
Let's burn him at the stake right 240?
I was thinking of stoning myself!!
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http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-breaks-down-the-herman-cain-smear-by-politico
Bump for blackass for response to this.
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really what a waste of time what does it have to do with him lying all day ::) oh yeah nothing
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really what a waste of time what does it have to do with him lying all day ::) oh yeah nothing
Go back to the mcMansIon you inhabit in your mind in the group home.
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Go back to the mcMansIon you inhabit in your mind in the group home.
^^^^^^^
:D :D :D not bad now what part of that 15 minutes of that whiny ass are you talking about
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:D :D :D not bad now what part of that 15 minutes of that whiny ass are you talking about
The whole thing you king pin and capitalist hoarder.
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find something that explans why cain lied all day and i'll watch it :D
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the fu#king liar changed his story all day long and you still beleive him ,braaahahahah priceless
true dat.
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http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-breaks-down-the-herman-cain-smear-by-politico
Bump for blackass for response to this.
Terrific. Nailed it. That guy is great. "There are so many stupid people with access to keyboards." lol
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Terrific. Nailed it. That guy is great. "There are so many stupid people with access to keyboards." lol
that nailed why he lied all day ooookkkk :D :D i agee there are so many stupid people with access to keyboards :D
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that nailed why he lied all day ooookkkk :D :D i agee there are so many stupid people with access to keyboards :D
You mean like you living in a mansion?
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some of us have houses some have apartments,don't hate
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some of us have houses some have apartments,don't hate
Apartments in NYC go for more than houses elsewhere fool. BTW - please tell your director to up your dosage.
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Kathleen Willey suspects Clintons murdered husband
New book details evidence of 'smear' campaign orchestrated by Hillary
Posted: November 05, 2007
11:55 pm Eastern
By Art Moore
© 2011 WND
Kathleen Willey on "60 Minutes" in 1998 In a new book alleging a campaign of slander and intimidation orchestrated chiefly by Hillary Clinton, Kathleen Willey points a finger of suspicion at the former first couple for the death of her husband, who was believed to have killed himself.
Willey, who claims she was groped by President Clinton in the White House, acknowledged in an interview with WND today that she stands by the speculation she poses about her husband's demise in "Target: Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clinton," set for release this week by World Ahead Publishing, WND Books' partner.
Asked if she suspects her husband Ed, a lawyer and son of a prominent Virginia lawmaker, was murdered, Willey replied, "Most definitely."
"I'm having someone with a forensics background look at this, and I intend to pursue this further, now that these questions have been raised," she told WND, pointing to alleged discrepancies in the autopsy report.
Does she believe the Clintons were involved?
"I do have suspicions," Willey said, "yes."
(Story continues below)
It was Ed Willey's dire financial straits that prompted Kathleen, then a White House volunteer, to seek a meeting with President Clinton in the Oval Office to plead for a paying job and any other help the commander-in-chief could give.
But Willey alleges the Nov. 29, 1993, meeting ended abruptly when the president cornered her in a private passageway and sexually assaulted her.
At the time of that meeting, Clinton and Willey were unaware that Ed Willey was lying dead of a gunshot wound to his mouth in the woods near his car, parked on a hunting path in rural King and Queen County, Virginia.
Kathleen Willey became known in the summer of 1997 after lawyers for Clinton accuser Paula Jones gave her name to a national magazine reporter. She was scheduled to become one of only three witnesses in the Clinton impeachment trial until some members of the House and Senate refused to allow her to testify.
In the book, Willey recounts numerous incidents she believes were designed to terrorize her into silence, with the latest taking place in September, just as the book was in its final stages.
As WND reported, Willey said she was the target of an unusual house burglary over the Labor Day weekend for which she blames the Clintons. While asleep upstairs in her Virginia home, she said, a copy of a manuscript for "Target" was stolen.
Willey told WND the break-in at her house reminded her of the widely reported incident 10 years ago in which she claimed she was threatened near her present Richmond-area home by a "jogger" just two days before she was to testify against President Clinton in the Jones case.
She contends elements of the autopsy report of her husband's death are inconsistent with suicide, pointing to similarities to the death of White House aide Vince Foster, also believed to have killed himself.
"I've seen too much evidence regarding other people who have been involved with the Clintons," she told WND.
Facing a deadline to repay hundreds of thousands of dollars he owed to "bad people" who threatened him, Ed Willey had an apparent motive for suicide, and five notes to loved ones were discovered by his secretary.
But Kathleen Willey writes "she could never understand how he could leave us," noting that while the letters are in his writing, "I also know that anyone would write anything at gunpoint."
What motive could anyone have to murder him?
Willey writes that after her husband's death, her friend Carole in Colorado told her something she had not known. Ed had confided to Carole's husband that he had taken a briefcase full of cash to Little Rock, Ark., during the presidential campaign.
Willey said she was shocked but acknowledged her husband could have done it. Later she found a reference on a blog that explored illegal fundraising activities by the Clintons and noted Ed Willey was known for "handling large briefcases full of cash" as part of the 1992 presidential campaign.
She speculates: "I have no idea how anyone other than the Clintons would know that Ed might have carried cash in briefcases. So why would he be killed? Because he was carrying illegal money? That's probably not enough reason. But what if, in his desperation, Ed had 'illegally borrowed' from the campaign?"
Left-handed
Willey said she requested a copy of the autopsy report and spoke to a medical examiner who told her the powder burns on her husband's right hand were consistent with suicide.
"When I asked if the burns were indicative of a left-handed person committing suicide, [the examiner] said no. The room started to spin, and I went into the bathroom and threw up. By the time she sent me the full report, though, she'd reconsidered, saying it could be consistent with a left-handed person. She suggested that he held the gun with both hands but pulled the trigger with his right. That's exactly how Vince Foster is said to have killed himself."
Willey writes the report raised other questions, including the existence of blood spatter on the back of his left hand rather than his palm; the positions in which his hands were found; livor mortis discovered on the back of his body even though it should be on the front because he was found lying face down; and the fact that the bullet was not recovered.
Willey says she also doesn't know why he would have gone to King and Queen County, which she had never heard of, and where he would have obtained a .38 Special.
In the book, Willey says she goes back and forth in her mind on what happened to her husband, and "as I do, the possibility lingers, logical or not, that Ed was
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Cain should just come out and say he hit on the chicks during a time when his marriage was on the rocks..no one would blame him for that...I don't
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Cain should just come out and say he hit on the chicks during a time when his marriage was on the rocks..no one would blame him for that...I don't
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This whole manufactured "scandal" is nonsense and will backfire against the MSM.
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Apartments in NYC go for more than houses elsewhere fool. BTW - please tell your director to up your dosage.
Not when the shitty little apartment is admitted to be located in a bad neighborhood full of "animals".
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Not when the shitty little apartment is admitted to be located in a bad neighborhood full of "animals".
Best thing I ever did was not buy a house in the 2004 - 2008 time period.
Most of those fools who overpaid are so fucked its not even funny.
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-isnt-entirely-buying-herman-cains-sexual-harassment-defense
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Factor in living with mommy so you don't have to spend your unemployment check on rent and you got an even better little deal don't you.
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Best thing I ever did was not buy a house in the 2004 - 2008 time period.
Most of those fools who overpaid are so fucked its not even funny.
You didn't have to overpay for a house to be in a financial pickle. I paid 205K for my house, when the average price in Orlando was 245K. Now, my house ain't worth HALF of what I paid for it.
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You didn't have to overpay for a house to be in a financial pickle. I paid 205K for my house, when the average price in Orlando was 245K. Now, my house ain't worth HALF of what I paid for it.
Little tiny cape cods up here were starting at 500k and up w taxes of at least 10k a year. Totally nuts.
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Cain denied knowing anything about a settlement, to the press club.
to greta, he admitted he was privy to the outcome via detailed conversation with his team, and that the settlement was essentially a severance package.
The charges might be complete bullshit, all well and good. But the LIE that Cain delivered yesterday - that's very real. This "rolling disclosure" thing where you lie nonstop, then slowly admit things as the media discovers them - that stinks of 'business as usual' in DC.
Cain bragged for a year about his no-nonsense, straight talk express. He's a liar, plain and simple, in his own words. Not debatable.
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Cain denied knowing anything about a settlement, to the press club.
to greta, he admitted he was privy to the outcome via detailed conversation with his team, and that the settlement was essentially a severance package.
The charges might be complete bullshit, all well and good. But the LIE that Cain delivered yesterday - that's very real. This "rolling disclosure" thing where you lie nonstop, then slowly admit things as the media discovers them - that stinks of 'business as usual' in DC.
Cain bragged for a year about his no-nonsense, straight talk express. He's a liar, plain and simple, in his own words. Not debatable.
yeah but buuutt clinton :D
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yeah but buuutt clinton :D
it;s funny. Repubs on this board actually bought cain's lie yesterday. I mean, he's an amateur at politics - you can TELL when he's lying... he gets that stiff cheek thing, and he does the double blink. terrible liar.
Oh, and that whole common sense thing: CEO accused of sexual harassment doesn't bother with outcome?
Who believes that? What getbigger is so naive to think that Cain, as CEO, never bothered checking the outcome of a case, with his career and marriage hanging in the balance? Well, some of them really were that damn stupid.
Cain came clean later, telling greta he was privy to the details and actually knew. He lied to you cnutbags, and you swallowed the lies because youre stupid. You believed them because you want to, because you hate the dems.
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it;s funny. Repubs on this board actually bought cain's lie yesterday. I mean, he's an amateur at politics - you can TELL when he's lying... he gets that stiff cheek thing, and he does the double blink. terrible liar.
Oh, and that whole common sense thing: CEO accused of sexual harassment doesn't bother with outcome?
Who believes that? What getbigger is so naive to think that Cain, as CEO, never bothered checking the outcome of a case, with his career and marriage hanging in the balance? Well, some of them really were that damn stupid.
Cain came clean later, telling greta he was privy to the details and actually knew. He lied to you cnutbags, and you swallowed the lies because youre stupid. You believed them because you want to, because you hate the dems.
And you believe Obama's lies. you really are the last one to talk here bro.
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And you believe Obama's lies. you really are the last one to talk here bro.
i've said he belongs in a jail cell, member? I know O is full of shit and lies all day.
Do you admit that Cain lied at the Press speech yesterday, 33?
CEO accused of sexual harassment doesn't bother with outcome?
Was he lying there?
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i've said he belongs in a jail cell, member? I know O is full of shit and lies all day.
Do you admit that Cain lied at the Press speech yesterday, 33?
CEO accused of sexual harassment doesn't bother with outcome?
Was he lying there?
I think that there is probably more to this and he probably never told his wife about it and he is being slick to avoid terouble at home.
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You didn't have to overpay for a house to be in a financial pickle. I paid 205K for my house, when the average price in Orlando was 245K. Now, my house ain't worth HALF of what I paid for it.
You better not have bought a house in Orlando. Or else I am going to drive up the Turnpike and whoop you for doing that.
Oh wait.... you get beat up by the humidity 9 months out of the year anyway. And the tourists and screaming kids. LOL
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I think that there is probably more to this and he probably never told his wife about it and he is being slick to avoid terouble at home.
that's not what I asked, 333386.
Did he lie, ,when standing at the press club, when he said he was not aware of any settlement?
(remember, afterwards he immediately went on greta and talked in depth about the discussions he had with his team about the details of the settlement).
it's an obvious lie, but I was hoping you'd admit "the charges might be bullshit, but yeah, Cain did look us in the eye yesterday and lie"
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that's not what I asked, 333386.
Did he lie, ,when standing at the press club, when he said he was not aware of any settlement?
(remember, afterwards he immediately went on greta and talked in depth about the discussions he had with his team about the details of the settlement).
it's an obvious lie, but I was hoping you'd admit "the charges might be bullshit, but yeah, Cain did look us in the eye yesterday and lie"
Serverence for employment not the same as a settlement for a lawsuit.
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Cain lied. That is obvious.
Anyone denying it or defending it or deflecting it with bullshit "but Obama...whahhhhhaaaaa.." crying is just the biggest tool of the board for doing so. Crying about one guy lying and yet trying to defend and deflect it because the other guy that did it is in your party is weak ass shit.
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240 why bother, he's never going to admit cain lied ,it's part of that family values thing ;D
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240 why bother, he's never going to admit cain lied ,it's part of that family values thing ;D
He probably lied, I just want to know more details before hyperventilating over this nonsense.
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"Probably"
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA AA
You are "probably" the biggest tool on the board.
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And you believe Obama's lies. you really are the last one to talk here bro.
And, at the end of the day, where is the evidence that Cain committed the sexual harrassment of which he stands accused?
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hahaha, knowing more details, never held you back before.ooohh that's right this is about a repub ;D
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hahaha, knowing more details, never held you back before.ooohh that's right this is about a repub ;D
OUCH!
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And, at the end of the day, where is the evidence that Cain committed the sexual harrassment of which he stands accused?
you know what that's not even the story any more its the bullshit lies he told all day yesterday to cover up his sexual harrassment that you say he didn't do :D :D
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you know what that's not even the story any more its the bullshit lies he told all day yesterday to cover up his sexual harrassment that you say he didn't do :D :D
There is not even overt sexual harassment here! There is an "eggshell" accuser who interpreted something as sexual harassment than noone even can figure out.
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you have the file,please show it to the rest of us
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Inappropriate behavior or not, the fact is he blatantly looked out there in tv-land and told a point blank lie.
That is what should be discussed. Who gives a shit if he is innocent or not, he fucking lied. Usually people don't lie unless they are covering up something.
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Inappropriate behavior or not, the fact is he blatantly looked out there in tv-land and told a point blank lie.
That is what should be discussed. Who gives a shit if he is innocent or not, he fucking lied. Usually people don't lie unless they are covering up something.
Didnt stop you from voting for Obama in 2008 - so why should care here?
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hahaha, knowing more details, never held you back before.ooohh that's right this is about a repub ;D
Wrong again, Blacken. I said from the start that this accusation was shaky and that, until I get more details, I will give Cain the benefit of the doubt, that these accusations were false.
you know what that's not even the story any more its the bullshit lies he told all day yesterday to cover up his sexual harrassment that you say he didn't do :D :D
You, O silly one, were the one assuming that Cain was GUILTY, with no evidence to substantiate it.
As I said earlier, Cain is INNOCENT until proven guilty. I asked you several times to produce some evidence, showing that Cain did, in fact, harrass these women. WHERE IS IT?
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Wrong again, Blacken. I said from the start that this accusation was shaky and that, until I get more details, I will give Cain the benefit of the doubt, that these accusations were false.
You, O silly one, were the one assuming that Cain was GUILTY, with no evidence to substantiate it.
As I said earlier, Cain is INNOCENT until proven guilty. I asked you several times to produce some evidence, showing that Cain did, in fact, harrass these women. WHERE IS IT?
Notice how blackass is avoidng that question?
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Didnt stop you from voting for Obama in 2008 - so why should care here?
He's got a point. TK members here weren't all bent out of shape about Obama's lying about his association with Wright, or his no-lobbyists-in-my-White-House stuff.
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Notice how blackass is avoidng that question?
And, it appears that, as I suspected, the accusers did indeed get nothing but a severance package.
Their claims on Cain were flimsy. So, it's either sue, lose, and get buried in legal fees. Or take the severance ball and go home.
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you know what that's not even the story any more its the bullshit lies he told all day yesterday to cover up his sexual harrassment that you say he didn't do :D :D
so why is he lying
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And, it appears that, as I suspected, the accusers did indeed get nothing but a severance package.
Their claims on Cain were flimsy. So, it's either sue, lose, and get buried in legal fees. Or take the severance ball and go home.
can i have a link to your information
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can i have a link to your information
The information is right in front of your face. YOU cited the article, stating the accusers got five-figure "settlements" (CNN referred to them as "separation packages").
They don't work at NRA any more, do they? And, for a sexual harrassment charge in an era where real victims of such got broke off BIG TIME, they ended up with 2-3 months' salary.
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can you explain his lying,why does an innocent man lie,hhmhmmmm maybe he's not so innocent
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Didnt stop you from voting for Obama in 2008 - so why should care here?
If Obama lying bothered you then, why doesn't Cain's lies bother you now?
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cains on cnn right now holy shit is this guy a con artist
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can you explain his lying,why does an innocent man lie,hhmhmmmm maybe he's not so innocent
Then show the evidence that he is indeed guilty of what he stands accused, that he sexually harrassed these women.
You have declared Cain guilty, with virtually NOTHING to back it.
And, that's the whole purpose of this Politico hit piece, to imply that Cain is guilty because the accusers got severance pay.
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Then show the evidence that he is indeed guilty of what he stands accused, that he sexually harrassed these women.
You have declared Cain guilty, with virtually NOTHING to back it.
And, that's the whole purpose of this Politico hit piece, to imply that Cain is guilty because the accusers got severance pay.
why was he lying yesterday
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why was he lying yesterday
Where is the evidence that Cain did what he's being accused of doing?
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i can see your not going to answer why he was lying,i guess maybe it's part of the repub family values thing :D
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i can see your not going to answer why he was lying,i guess maybe it's part of the repub family values thing :D
Look who's talking. How many times have I asked you to give the specifics, that show Cain's alleged guilt since yesterday?
You answer that; then we'll talk!!
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This whole manufactured "scandal" is nonsense and will backfire against the MSM.
Dude.....you need to lay off the booze...the media has better things to do than to come up with stuff like this....its obvious that one of Cain's Republican rivals dug this up and leaked it to the media
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You didn't have to overpay for a house to be in a financial pickle. I paid 205K for my house, when the average price in Orlando was 245K. Now, my house ain't worth HALF of what I paid for it.
quit buying Cell-Tech and you'll be able to make your mortgage easily :)
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i've said he belongs in a jail cell, member? I know O is full of shit and lies all day.
Do you admit that Cain lied at the Press speech yesterday, 33?
CEO accused of sexual harassment doesn't bother with outcome?
Was he lying there?
come on 240...don't cave in to 33's nonsense...Obama does not belong in a cell..he has done nothing illegal.....get off it
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Look who's talking. How many times have I asked you to give the specifics, that show Cain's alleged guilt since yesterday?
You answer that; then we'll talk!!
you can't get information on the subject because he paid them off and they can't talk. now why was he lying all day yesterday
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The information is right in front of your face. YOU cited the article, stating the accusers got five-figure "settlements" (CNN referred to them as "separation packages").
They don't work at NRA any more, do they? And, for a sexual harrassment charge in an era where real victims of such got broke off BIG TIME, they ended up with 2-3 months' salary.
I'm glad that you are finally giving CNN the credibility that I have always said they deserve ;)
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you can't get information on the subject because he paid them off and they can't talk. now why was he lying all day yesterday
They have been talking. They talked to Politico and since Politico gave up a name to a member of Cain's staff, that excuse doesn't fly.
So once again, what are specifics that show that Cain is guilty (I hope it ain't the claim the one of them is a short as Cain's wife)?
As for Cain paying them off, that's dubious to say the least. They got canned and walked with a severance package, about 3 months' pay, a "five-figure settlement" according to Politico.
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you forgot the second question, why was he lying yesterday
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you forgot the second question, why was he lying yesterday
And, you forgot the first, second, third, fourth, nth questions put to YOU, regarding the specific evidence that cites Cain's alleged guilt of sexual harrassment.
When you deal with that, we'll talk and not before. You don't get to duck questions then demand that other people answer yours.
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Where is the evidence that Cain did what he's being accused of doing?
While there is no direct evidence - as of yet - the fact that he had to lie about it indirectly shows he is trying to hide something.
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They have been talking. They talked to Politico and since Politico gave up a name to a member of Cain's staff, that excuse doesn't fly.
So once again, what are specifics that show that Cain is guilty (I hope it ain't the claim the one of them is a short as Cain's wife)?
As for Cain paying them off, that's dubious to say the least. They got canned and walked with a severance package, about 3 months' pay, a "five-figure settlement" according to Politico.
source of where you got the information that the two women talked to politico
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While there is no direct evidence - as of yet - the fact that he had to lie about it indirectly shows he is trying to hide something.
If Cain is trying to hide something, it appears to be the severance package issue. The implication being, as I said earlier, the assumption of guilt that some associate with a settlement.
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While there is no direct evidence - as of yet - the fact that he had to lie about it indirectly shows he is trying to hide something.
exacty,they can't even admit he lied,i'm glad my family and i don't have their kind of family values
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exacty,they can't even admit he lied,i'm glad my family and i don't have their kind of family values
You just have the kind that accuses people of something with next to no evidence to back it. I'm glad I don't have YOUR kind of family values, especially since (as 333386 stated earlier) you didn't have a problem with Obama's lying (with plenty of evidence showing that he did such).
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did he lie yesterday yes or no
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did he lie yesterday yes or no
I believe you have some questions to answer first. You do that; then, we'll talk.
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how sad you know he lied and you can't even say it ,source of where you got the information that the two women talked to politico , can you talk about that or is that something else you can't answer
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how sad you know he lied and you can't even say it ,source of where you got the information that the two women talked to politico , can you talk about that or is that something else you can't answer
Politico's Jonathan Martin, "We're just not going to get into the details of exactly what happened with these women beside what's in the story."
How does he know about what exactly what happened, OTHER THAN WHAT'S in the story?
Sounds to me as if the women (or someone on their behalf) talked to Politico.
Though, to play devil's advocate, I could suggest that such isn't quite enough to state undisputedly that they blabbed to Politico.
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The sources — including the recollections of close associates and other documentation — describe episodes that left the women upset and offended.
says nothing about the woman talking
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The sources — including the recollections of close associates and other documentation — describe episodes that left the women upset and offended.
says nothing about the woman talking
Of course, Politico isn't going to say that directly. That puts the women on the spot and (perhaps) puts them on the hook to cough up that severance pay.
The story INCLUDES these other sources. So, how can they have the ability to go into details of what happened, besides what's in the story, unless the women (or someone on their behalf) spilled the proverbial beans?
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since we weren't there to say that the woman talked would be pure speculation
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If Cain is trying to hide something, it appears to be the severance package issue. The implication being, as I said earlier, the assumption of guilt that some associate with a settlement.
A severance package issue is nothing to hide. It's a fact of life for many people who are let go and/or fired. That is nothing to try to dodge or be ashamed about. If that were all it was, he wouldn't have flubbed up so bad and tried to hide it.
This could be like the &guy Woods thing. Two women coming to light now followed by another twenty or so. Or it could be nothing. However, conventional wisdom says a person doesn't lie about something unless they are trying to hide something.
Whether he is guilty or not, that is another issue at hand (which I really don't even care about), but he sat right there and lied about this issue.
Do you agree on that part? That he lied.
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he not going to answer that, already tried
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McWay, Did Cain lie?
Yes or no.
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He probably lied,
What 'probably' is there?
He told CNN that he suddenly remembered all those details throughout the day.
Coincidentally, right as cnn and politico and nbc broke those items.
If he's not lying, he's mentally incapacitated. He had 10 days to think about it, and only after being caught in lies did his memory refresh.
Geez, I would prefer paul or romney or bachmann or even tpaww over Cain. He's a hot mess lol
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what cracks me up, is when people pretend it's okay the republican frontrunner delivers obvious lies yesterday...
because obama did some shady shit.
I mean.... imagine getting caught in bed with your secretary... and believing you can weasel out of it because "babe, my friend is cheating with all sorts of women, and I'm only banging Brandi here, so everything is A-okay!"
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LOL! I can't believe this thread is 12 pages long.
Wait . . . yes I can. :)
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A severance package issue is nothing to hide. It's a fact of life for many people who are let go and/or fired. That is nothing to try to dodge or be ashamed about. If that were all it was, he wouldn't have flubbed up so bad and tried to hide it.
This could be like the &guy Woods thing. Two women coming to light now followed by another twenty or so. Or it could be nothing. However, conventional wisdom says a person doesn't lie about something unless they are trying to hide something.
Whether he is guilty or not, that is another issue at hand (which I really don't even care about), but he sat right there and lied about this issue.
Do you agree on that part? That he lied.
A severance package is something to hide, when the implication (factual or otherwise) is that Cain is guilty of sexual harrassment, because severance pay was given to the accusers and they got gone.
We saw that happen with a certain deceased King of Pop.
As stated earlier, I will give my answer, regarding whether Cain is lying or not, when Blacken answers the questions I've put his way since yesterday afternoon.
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since we weren't there to say that the woman talked would be pure speculation
Yet, you're willing to use "pure speculation" to state that, in fact, Cain sexually harrassed these women.
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A severance package is something to hide, when the implication (factual or otherwise) is that Cain is guilty of sexual harrassment, because severance pay was given to the accusers and they got gone.
We saw that happen with a certain deceased King of Pop.
As stated earlier, I will give my answer, regarding whether Cain is lying or not, when Blacken answers the questions I've put his way since yesterday afternoon.
Not really. If it was legit there is nothing at all improper about clarifying anything when you are running for the highest office in the free world.
Whatever you and blacken have going is between you, I am just asking you if Cain lied or not. A simple yes or no would work. Then you can go back to whatever you and blacken are engaged in.
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Yet, you're willing to use "pure speculation" to state that, in fact, Cain sexually harrassed these women.
you know he's lying thats all that matters to me
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Not really. If it was legit there is nothing at all improper about clarifying anything when you are running for the highest office in the free world.
Whatever you and blacken have going is between you, I am just asking you if Cain lied or not. A simple yes or no would work. Then you can go back to whatever you and blacken are engaged in.
Since they'll find a cure for cancer before Blacken ponies up his answers, I'll say this.
If Cain legitimately forgot and got briefed (or re-briefed....is that a word?) to what went down, between his initial presser and the Van Strustren interview, he's not lying.
If he didn't, then I'd say he is.
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hahhaha forgot ooookkkk
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you know he's lying thats all that matters to me
No, I don't know he's lying. Hence, the reason I made my statement to Lurker.
No need to drag this out with him, since you don't have the spine to address the questions I pointed out to you for the better part of two days now.
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hahhaha forgot ooookkkk
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hahhaha forgot ooookkkk
I'm sorry!!! Where is this evidence that Cain harrassed these women again? Or are you doing the Sharia "guilty until proven innocent" routine again?
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I'm sorry!!! Where is this evidence that Cain harrassed these women again? Or are you doing the Sharia "guilty until proven innocent" routine again?
so he lies all day to hide something that didn't happen :D :D :D
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Since they'll find a cure for cancer before Blacken ponies up his answers, I'll say this.
If Cain legitimately forgot and got briefed (or re-briefed....is that a word?) to what went down, between his initial presser and the Van Strustren interview, he's not lying.
If he didn't, then I'd say he is.
he said he wasn't briefed. he said he just started to recall more details over the day.
he spent 10 days dodging Qs from politico... and knew of no settlement... then suddenly (as nbc broke news of the settlement), he remembers.
Sorry, that's a lie, and anyone who believes him is a fcking sucker.
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Cain is a Federal Reserve insider not to be trusted anyway. This will just help pave the way for Ron Paul.
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Cain is a Federal Reserve insider not to be trusted anyway. This will just help pave the way for Ron Paul.
33 is defending the obvious lies of a Fed employee.
while Ron paul is sitting right there in 3rd waiting to swoop in.
it's almost like he will deserve another 4 years of obama, with his kneepadding for the liar Koch Fed employee.
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33 is defending the obvious lies of a Fed employee.
while Ron paul is sitting right there in 3rd waiting to swoop in.
it's almost like he will deserve another 4 years of obama, with his kneepadding for the liar Koch Fed employee.
I told you I am voting for RP didnt I?
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I told you I am voting for RP didnt I?
but your defense of Cain "I am not even sure if he actually lied........." is kneepadding.
I voted barr, but you called me a kneepadder for defending obama policy.
In that case, your voting Paul doesn't exclude you from being a Cain kneepadder now ;)
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but your defense of Cain "I am not even sure if he actually lied........." is kneepadding.
I voted barr, but you called me a kneepadder for defending obama policy.
In that case, your voting Paul doesn't exclude you from being a Cain kneepadder now ;)
because i have NEVEr seen you start one thread advocating for bob barr and endless ones supporting maobama.
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because i have NEVEr seen you start one thread advocating for bob barr and endless ones supporting maobama.
you start about 15,000 of these a week.
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you start about 15,000 of these a week.
Please bump your threads pimping Bob Barr?
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Please bump your threads pimping Bob Barr?
real bob barr voters don't need to hear about him. you clods worshipping mcSenile and 0Bama were too loud.
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real bob barr voters don't need to hear about him. you clods worshipping mcSenile and 0Bama were too loud.
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That TTHHHHHUUUUUDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!! that we all just heard was Cain's campaign crashing back down. Between his lying and his abortion flub, he has been exposed as someone way in over his head in the political field.
Two more weeks, it will be Newt to catch fire and have everyone hanging their hopes on him.
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Two more weeks, it will be Newt to catch fire and have everyone hanging their hopes on him.
hahaha those poorrepub voters. At least the hapless dems had both hilary and obama, both electable and representative of their base.
Repubs have romney (which 75% of repubs hate), RPaul, who they're too stupid to accept, and then 5 other goons that won't win against obama.)
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Ford O'ConnellRepublican consultant and chairman of CivicForumPAC :
Depending on what other information comes to light, Herman Cain could conceivably recover from these allegations. Unfortunately for Cain, a big part of his allure is his often-touted executive management skills (including crisis management proficiency). Forget the 3:00 A.M. phone call, Cain has yet to demonstrate himself capable of answering a 9:00 A.M. phone call.
Herman Cain is not presidential material. He's just another damaged GOP candidate kept afloat by tea party determination to not fall in love with Mitt Romney. It won't last. As soon as the ultra-conservative elements in the GOP primary electorate figure out Cain is unelectable, they will drop him like they dropped Rick Perry, Donald Trump and Michele Bachmann.
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Looks like there is more to the Cain story than first believed. Details emerging how one woman got a years salary in pay. That isn't a severance, that is a settlement.
The more this is exposed to air, the more it starts to stink.
But the good news is that it doesn't affect Mitt. He has already had the nomination sewed up since 2009.
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That TTHHHHHUUUUUDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!! that we all just heard was Cain's campaign crashing back down. Between his lying and his abortion flub, he has been exposed as someone way in over his head in the political field.
Two more weeks, it will be Newt to catch fire and have everyone hanging their hopes on him.
THHHUUUDDDDDDDD???? More like CHA-CHING!!! Cain is raking in the dough ($400,000 on Monday) and, to date, he is still tied or ahead of Romney. If he remains that way, this hit piece falls flat.
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Anyone who defended clinton, groping, exposing himself, raping, women need to STFU about this.
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Looks like there is more to the Cain story than first believed. Details emerging how one woman got a years salary in pay. That isn't a severance, that is a settlement.
The more this is exposed to air, the more it starts to stink.
But the good news is that it doesn't affect Mitt. He has already had the nomination sewed up since 2009.
A year's pay is severance and it's peanuts, for a alleged sexual harrassment charge. The initial report said that both women got "five-figure" severance or "separation packages". $35,000 (what the other woman got) is five figures.
If the other got 3 months' pay, as indicated earlier, that means two women got less than $50,000 for an alleged sexual harrassment charge.
If Mitt had this sewn up, he wouldn't be in a dogfight with Cain now. He may win it in the end, and that's fine.
But, this whole notion (as some have purported) that it was his from the start, or that it should just be handed to him, is abusrd.
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Mitt in a dogfight with Cain't?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
Where did you read that? Get real. And please show me an example of the average worker getting a years pay for severance. They doled out some "go away and be quiet" money to that lady. More details will surface. Be patient.
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Mitt in a dogfight with Cain't?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
Where did you read that? Get real. And please show me an example of the average worker getting a years pay for severance. They doled out some "go away and be quiet" money to that lady. More details will surface. Be patient.
Where did I get that?
HERE!!
Qunnipac
Cain 30
Romney 23
Perry 8
Gingrich 10
Paul 7
Bachmann 4
Santorum 1
Huntsman 2
Cain +7.0
And HERE!!
Florida President
Suffolk/7News
More FL Polls »
Romney 25
Cain 24
Gingrich 11
Perry 9
Paul 5
Bachmann 1
Huntsman 2
Santorum 1
And HERE!!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/11/02/romney_cain_neck-and-neck_in_florida_poll.html
The polls have have Cain either neck-and-neck or ahead of Romney for over a month, now. Contrary to your questionable belief, Romney ain't a lock to win the GOP nomination.
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Mitt in a dogfight with Cain't?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
Where did you read that? Get real. And please show me an example of the average worker getting a years pay for severance. They doled out some "go away and be quiet" money to that lady. More details will surface. Be patient.
$35,000....in an era where sexual harrassment victims were getting hundreds of thousands, if not millions?
That sounds to me as if she knew that she'd lose in a legal fight and, rather than spend that much (if not more) in legal fees, she took her proverbial ball and went home.
And what exactly are the charges again?
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So what if Cain is a dog ??? what matters is his ability to run this shithole
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Again - Clinton voters and supporters are on flimsy footing attacking Cain.
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Again - Clinton voters and supporters are on flimsy footing attacking Cain.
FLIMSY?? Try having greased sneakers in an ice-skating rink.
Allegations of harrassment vs. nut on a dress!!
You make the call!!
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FLIMSY?? Try having greased sneakers in an ice-skating rink.
Allegations of harrassment vs. nut on a dress!!
You make the call!!
Kathleen Willey - groped her in the WH
Broderick - Rape
Jennifer Flowers - long time affair used troopers to cover it up
Paula Jones - exposed himself to her
Lewinsky - well . . . .
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Buu fucking hoo
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Kathleen Willey - groped her in the WH
Broderick - Rape
Jennifer Flowers - long time affair used troopers to cover it up
Paula Jones - exposed himself to her
Lewinsky - well . . . .
FLIMSY?? Try having greased sneakers in an ice-skating rink.
Allegations of harrassment vs. nut on a dress!!
You make the call!!
:D :D :D
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Anyone who defended clinton, groping, exposing himself, raping, women need to STFU about this.
clinton was a huge bag o shit who should have been kicked outta office.
clinton let that waco and OKC BS go down too :(
ask the getbig 'repubs' who voted for clinton.
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clinton was a huge bag o shit who should have been kicked outta office.
clinton let that waco and OKC BS go down too :(
ask the getbig 'repubs' who voted for clinton.
Again - its the left wing double standards. Apes like blackass defended clinton and attaki Cain why?
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MC, I wouldn't put too much stock in that poll... We're' probably 20% into what this Cain mess will be. People I'm talking to, are just hearing about it for the first time.
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MC, I wouldn't put too much stock in that poll... We're' probably 20% into what this Cain mess will be. People I'm talking to, are just hearing about it for the first time.
And people who have heard of this mess, for the most part, think it's bogus and are STILL backing Cain. Judging from the $$$$ Cain has collected the past two days, I'd say that sentiment is prevailing at present time.
What are these alleged charges? What SPECIFICALLY did Cain do that was so agregious?
This woman's lawyer and/or Politico wants us to think that one particular accuser is SOOOOOOO eager to tell her side of the story; yet, she won't give a specific charge (i.e. Cain asked me to blow him; he felt on my booty; he put his hand on my thigh; he said I had a nice rack; etc.).
If I were a betting man, I'd wager that when this woman conveniently decides that she can speak, the charge will be quite frivolous. And, whoever engineered this mess may end up with an otherwise great source of protein on their kissers.
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Where did I get that?
HERE!!
Qunnipac
Cain 30
Romney 23
Perry 8
Gingrich 10
Paul 7
Bachmann 4
Santorum 1
Huntsman 2
Cain +7.0
And HERE!!
Florida President
Suffolk/7News
More FL Polls »
Romney 25
Cain 24
Gingrich 11
Perry 9
Paul 5
Bachmann 1
Huntsman 2
Santorum 1
And HERE!!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/11/02/romney_cain_neck-and-neck_in_florida_poll.html
The polls have have Cain either neck-and-neck or ahead of Romney for over a month, now. Contrary to your questionable belief, Romney ain't a lock to win the GOP nomination.
Mitt has been the continuous front runner since candidates started coming out of the woodwork. Now you want to base the bump that Cain has briefly gotten in a couple of weeks as evidence they are running neck to neck? Dude, please. Get that shit out of here. Cain is just going to ride a bump, which looks like the ride is over already.
Want to make a bet in 2 weeks that Mitt will be polling higher than Cain?
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:D :D :D
Look who's talking!!!
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i have a relative i dislike a bit - she asked me about this cain thing... i was surprised... i said "well, it's about some bullshit claims someone made 14 years back, which to me is no biggie... but him lying about it all day shows he's an immature, unintelligent man who really can't manage small crisises"
She cut me off. She DID give a shit about the harassment claims. Suddenly I realized there are people who will get mad that he may have treated women this way.
add up the facts he's soft on abortion, he doesn't know china has nukes, he lied to our faces, and maybe something with these harassment claims...
plus he has no ground game - 3 people on his new hampshire team for 800,000 voters? lol
Well, cain is probably done. The polls take week to catch up, but once he start to slide, it'll be a fast slide as all the rats jump ship to be "me too!"
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can't even admit he was lying STAND BY YOUR MAN :D :D :D
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$35,000....in an era where sexual harrassment victims were getting hundreds of thousands, if not millions?
That sounds to me as if she knew that she'd lose in a legal fight and, rather than spend that much (if not more) in legal fees, she took her proverbial ball and went home.
And what exactly are the charges again?
Just so I understand... a woman got 35,000 dollars and this is the usual 3 month of pay termination settlment package? Isnt that what Cain said she recieved in one of interviews 240 posted? What was her position?
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The women was probably a perpetual pain in the ass as an employee. Cain probably said some things she took the wrong the way, she was threatening to make a big lawsuit over it. She probably got a lawyer involved and the NRA decided it was not worth the BS and just gave her the 1yr severenace to make her go away. 33% went to the lawyer and she got 9mos.
I see this shit daily.
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Having to pay someone to go away isn't severance, that is a settlement.
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Having to pay someone to go away isn't severance, that is a settlement.
Of course it is - and it goes on a million times a day regardless of the merits of the action itself.
For example - I have an issue in my building I am trying to resolve regarding a CO issue with the management of the company and board of directors of the Co-Op.
We have been trying to rectify the dispute for a few months now and despite the fact that they disagree with my position on this, they are offering me a settlement to go away and avoid litigation. I believe in my position and they believe in theirs, but the terms we are discussing works out for both of us.
This goes on millions of times a day.
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The women was probably a perpetual pain in the ass as an employee. Cain probably said some things she took the wrong the way, she was threatening to make a big lawsuit over it. She probably got a lawyer involved and the NRA decided it was not worth the BS and just gave her the 1yr severenace to make her go away. 33% went to the lawyer and she got 9mos.
I see this shit daily.
Didn't Cain say this was the amount she would normally received in a termination settlement? Seems kinda high for three months of pay, that's why I was curious of her position.
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Mitt has been the continuous front runner since candidates started coming out of the woodwork. Now you want to base the bump that Cain has briefly gotten in a couple of weeks as evidence they are running neck to neck? Dude, please. Get that shit out of here. Cain is just going to ride a bump, which looks like the ride is over already.
Want to make a bet in 2 weeks that Mitt will be polling higher than Cain?
Hilary was the same way in 2008 for the Democrat side. But, in the end, Obama got the nod.
And how is the ride supposedly over for Cain, when his fund-raising is way up and he's still neck-and-neck with Romney?
Romney was the favorite, going into this. We knew that. But he ain't a lock to win it. If he does, he does. But, this is hardly the cakewalk for him that you paint it out to be.
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Would you like to make a bet that Cain will be polling under Mitt in two weeks?
His downward spiral is just starting.
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Having to pay someone to go away isn't severance, that is a settlement.
Tell that to CNN, ("separation package") and the NYTimes ("severance pay").
And, considering it was less than $50,000 for two women charging sexual harassment, severance pay is a bit gracious.
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Would you like to make a bet that Cain will be polling under Mitt in two weeks?
His downward spiral is just starting.
Here is the problem for Mitt - despite the failings of others - Myth cant get over 25% or so. So while Cain might fade - its an opening for others.
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Would you like to make a bet that Cain will be polling under Mitt in two weeks?
His downward spiral is just starting.
It hasn't started yet (if it starts at all), and depending on what these allegations are, this whole thing may backfire on whoever started it and keep Cain in the money....and perhaps to the GOP nomination.
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Here is the problem for Mitt - despite the failings of others - Myth cant get over 25% or so. So while Cain might fade - its an opening for others.
There's a conservative base that DOES NOT like Romney. They see him as a RINO and another McCain.
Others have no beef with Romney per se; but they are loathing the GOP establishment that wants to just hand this nomination to Romney on a platter.
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There's a conservative base that DOES NOT like Romney. They see him as a RINO and another McCain.
Others have no beef with Romney per se; but they are loathing the GOP establishment that wants to just hand this nomination to Romney on a platter.
I prefer Huntsman or Santorum over over romney at this point.
At least they are honest about their positions on things.
So far - here is where I am
1. RP
2. HC
3. MB
4. NG
5. RS
6. RP
7. MR
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Former President of National Restaurant Association has Ties to the Mitt Romney Campaign
Northern Virginia Lawyer ^ | November 1, 2011 | Paul A. Prados
Based on a suggestion from a local blogger to look into political donors on the Board of Directors of the National Restaurant Association for potential ties to presidential campaigns, I have attempted to identify anyone privy to inside information about the National Restaurant Association who also has recent ties to any presidential campaign.
According to the October 2011 FEC report for ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT INC. a gentlemen named Steven C. Anderson gave $1,000.00 on July 14, 2011. FEC search function here.
Steven C. Anderson is the same gentlemen who took over the helm as Chief Executive Officer at the National Restaurant Association (after a brief intermission) upon Herman Cain's departure in 1999. As CEO it is highly likely he would have been privy to details of litigation and threats about litigation from the immediately previous tenure of Herman Cain.
(Excerpt) Read more at northernvirginialawyer.b logspot.com ...
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It hasn't started yet (if it starts at all), and depending on what these allegations are, this whole thing may backfire on whoever started it and keep Cain in the money....and perhaps to the GOP nomination.
Well then, how about that bet?
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Well then, how about that bet?
Sorry, I don't gamble. I thought about it once, but after that Bills-Oilers game in '93........
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can't even admit he was lying STAND BY YOUR MAN :D :D :D
He only beat me, because he loooooooooooooooooves me!
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He only beat me, because he loooooooooooooooooves me!
LMFAO!!!!
you obamabots are ones to talk? ? ? ?
GMAFB!!!!
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Former President of National Restaurant Association has Ties to the Mitt Romney Campaign
Northern Virginia Lawyer ^ | November 1, 2011 | Paul A. Prados
Based on a suggestion from a local blogger to look into political donors on the Board of Directors of the National Restaurant Association for potential ties to presidential campaigns, I have attempted to identify anyone privy to inside information about the National Restaurant Association who also has recent ties to any presidential campaign.
According to the October 2011 FEC report for ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT INC. a gentlemen named Steven C. Anderson gave $1,000.00 on July 14, 2011. FEC search function here.
Steven C. Anderson is the same gentlemen who took over the helm as Chief Executive Officer at the National Restaurant Association (after a brief intermission) upon Herman Cain's departure in 1999. As CEO it is highly likely he would have been privy to details of litigation and threats about litigation from the immediately previous tenure of Herman Cain.
(Excerpt) Read more at northernvirginialawyer.b logspot.com ...
i thought this was liberals attacking him? wait, another repub? oh me, oh my...
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LMFAO!!!!
you obamabots are ones to talk? ? ? ?
GMAFB!!!!
i've said obama belongs in a jail cell. not exactly standing by him, cupcake ;)
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i've said obama belongs in a jail cell. not exactly standing by him, cupcake ;)
Show me one anti-obama thread YOU HAVE EVER POSTED!
EVER!
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Show me one anti-obama thread YOU HAVE EVER POSTED!
EVER!
search for 'obama' and 'cell'.
i've posted it a dozen times. Obama and holder belong in a jail cell for thei F&F shit.
Even getbiggers who hate me will admit I say that a lot.
stop drinking so much, laddy.
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search for 'obama' and 'cell'.
i've posted it a dozen times. Obama and holder belong in a jail cell for thei F&F shit.
Even getbiggers who hate me will admit I say that a lot.
stop drinking so much, laddy.
Wrong douchebag - show me one thread you EVEr started from 2007 - 2011 bashing obama.
Just one will do.
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Wrong douchebag - show me one thread you EVEr started from 2007 - 2011 bashing obama.
Just one will do.
will you give me $1 for every one I bump? :)
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will you give me $1 for every one I bump? :)
You starting a thread Trashing Obama on its own w/o blaming bush?
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Sorry, I don't gamble. I thought about it once, but after that Bills-Oilers game in '93........
We won't wager money. It will just be a funsies bet.
The loser has to state on the board the winner was correct.
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We won't wager money. It will just be a funsies bet.
The loser has to state on the board the winner was correct.
Is there a spread? In one poll, Romney is up by one point.
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Is there a spread? In one poll, Romney is up by one point.
Why a spread? If Romney is up in three major polls, then I win. If not, you win. Pretty simple.
Guess you rethinking that now huh? Lordy Lordy, a 3rd woman surfaced. Just as soon as you said in regards to his downward spiral :
It hasn't started yet (if it starts at all),
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Why a spread? If Romney is up in three major polls, then I win. If not, you win. Pretty simple.
Guess you rethinking that now huh? Lordy Lordy, a 3rd woman surfaced. Just as soon as you said in regards to his downward spiral :
Hardly!! As said earlier, a downward spiral counts in terms of his donations or his polls numbers.
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Hardly!! As said earlier, a downward spiral counts in terms of his donations or his polls numbers.
By the end of this week, both of those will be down.
I was being a bit gracious allowing two weeks in the first place.
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ther will always be people like you who will s back him to the end
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ther will always be people like you who will s back him to the end
We saw that with stupid Palin supporters.
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you betcha :D
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That TTHHHHHUUUUUDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!! that we all just heard was Cain's campaign crashing back down. Between his lying and his abortion flub, he has been exposed as someone way in over his head in the political field.
Two more weeks, it will be Newt to catch fire and have everyone hanging their hopes on him.
As stated earlier.
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he was very clear to greta.
only TWO were filed with his company
I think we cna all agree he knew of this 3rd and was carefully watching his language around it.
And things like this annoy me about candidates. Just drip the truth, bit by bit, as he gets caught. shady as fck.
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Woman Who Accused Cain Won’t Go Public, Lawyer Says (8:40 p.m. | Updated)
NYT ^ | November 2, 2011 | MICHAEL D. SHEAR, JEFF ZELENY and JIM RUTENBERG
Posted on November 2, 2011 9:22:38 PM EDT by Brandonmark
Joel P. Bennett, the lawyer for one of the women who has made accusations against Mr. Cain, said that his client had decided not to go public or to make a public statement herself in an effort to shield herself from the media frenzy swirling around the situation.
“She’s not going to affirmatively make any public statements or public appearances about the case, everything will be through me,” Mr. Bennett said. “She has a life to live and a career, and she doesn’t want to become another Anita Hill.”
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AP source: Cain accuser wary of revisiting episode
AP ^ | 11/2/2100 | STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Posted on November 2, 2011 5:10:59 PM EDT by Raebie
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Despite her lawyer's claims, a woman who accused Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain of sexual harassment in the 1990s is reluctant to talk about the episode in public. A person close to the situation said Wednesday that no decision has been made about asking the National Restaurant Association to release the woman from a confidentiality agreement that was part of her settlement. Cain led the trade group while the woman worked there. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the accusations and says the fact that the incident has become public is very unsettling to the woman. Joel P. Bennett is a lawyer for the woman and said Tuesday he was asking the restaurant association to release his client from the confidentiality agreement.
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she doesn't want to become the next anita hill.
anyway, the harassment issue doesn't matter. Cain is terrible at crisis mgmt. He's an obvious liar at the silliest levels. He's plain stupid on foreign policy. He's finishes as far as being a serious candidate. The China nuke issue is way bigger than anything related to this case.
he's a dumbass. Period. enjoy 4 more years of obama if you back this idiot.
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she doesn't want to become the next anita hill.
anyway, the harassment issue doesn't matter. Cain is terrible at crisis mgmt. He's an obvious liar at the silliest levels. He's plain stupid on foreign policy. He's finishes as far as being a serious candidate. The China nuke issue is way bigger than anything related to this case.
he's a dumbass. Period. enjoy 4 more years of obama if you back this idiot.
Replace Cain with Newt, Perry, Bachmann, and Santorum and it fits for them as well.
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Replace Cain with Newt, Perry, Bachmann, and Santorum and it fits for them as well.
Newt has more intelligence, experience, and education than your messiah could EVER hope for.
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Back that loser then. See where it gets you.
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Newt has more intelligence, experience, and education than your messiah could EVER hope for.
thank you, captain obvious.
newt flipflopped on libya and had that Tiffany's flap. that's why he's not leading right now.
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The most that Newt could ever hope to get out of this campaign is an invitation to appear on DWTS.
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Thurs AM:
Cain Accuser now asking NRA to allow her to issue a statement.
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The most that Newt could ever hope to get out of this campaign is an invitation to appear on DWTS.
I actually believe Newt would fare very well on the debate stage against obama. He'd be smooth and above getting all dramatic and emotional.
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Thurs AM:
Cain Accuser now asking NRA to allow her to issue a statement.
Her lawyer's been doing that for the better part of two days.
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e attorney for one of the women accusing Herman Cain of sexual harassment is asking the National Restaurant Association permission to allow her to issue a public statement about her allegations.
"This morning I will be emailing to the National Restaurant Association's attorney a draft public statement requesting permission to issue it without violating the confidential settlement agreement," Joel Bennett told POLITICO. "I will have no further statement until I hear back from the National Restaurant Association's attorney."
The move reflects a middle course for the woman, who is ambivalent about speaking out.
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e attorney for one of the women accusing Herman Cain of sexual harassment is asking the National Restaurant Association permission to allow her to issue a public statement about her allegations.
"This morning I will be emailing to the National Restaurant Association's attorney a draft public statement requesting permission to issue it without violating the confidential settlement agreement," Joel Bennett told POLITICO. "I will have no further statement until I hear back from the National Restaurant Association's attorney."
The move reflects a middle course for the woman, who is ambivalent about speaking out.
I'd suggest that this woman has ALREADY violated this agreement. Wouldn't such an agreement state that she can't talk to ANYONE about this issue? Yet, she's talked to Politico and this lawyer.
And how does merely stating specifically what Cain supposedly did violate such an agreement, anyway?
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I'd suggest that this woman has ALREADY violated this agreement. Wouldn't such an agreement state that she can't talk to ANYONE about this issue? Yet, she's talked to Politico and this lawyer.
And how does merely stating specifically what Cain supposedly did violate such an agreement, anyway?
cain is such an unknown at this point.
I want the strongest repub possible to run against obama.
mcway, 33, do any of you believe cain is the strongest republican anymore?
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cain is such an unknown at this point.
I want the strongest repub possible to run against obama.
mcway, 33, do any of you believe cain is the strongest republican anymore?
Bro - you are a fucking joke. You claim you are pissed off about cain lying now? Are you fucking kidding? seriously.
You have done NOTHING BUT DEFEND LIES from Obama for 4 years now! Never once did you start a thread on any of the millions of lies obama told.
Fuck - you have spammed more threads on the boards about Cain in the last day alone over his lies than you have Obamas' lies over the last 4 years!
Shit - you can't even fine ONE THREAD YOU EVER STARTED in the last four years calling out obama for lies he has told.
fuck off with your fake outrage.
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cain is such an unknown at this point.
I want the strongest repub possible to run against obama.
mcway, 33, do any of you believe cain is the strongest republican anymore?
I don't, but that's because I've never suggested Cain was the "strongest" in the first place. In terms of political experience, he's a green as a gourd. But, that obviously holds no bearing to getting to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, anymore.
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Bro - you are a fucking joke. You claim you are pissed off about cain lying now? Are you fucking kidding? seriously.
You have done NOTHING BUT DEFEND LIES from Obama for 4 years now! Never once did you start a thread on any of the millions of lies obama told.
Fuck - you have spammed more threads on the boards about Cain in the last day alone over his lies than you have Obamas' lies over the last 4 years!
Shit - you can't even fine ONE THREAD YOU EVER STARTED in the last four years calling out obama for lies he has told.
fuck off with your fake outrage.
Does this mean 240 has turned in his TK membership card?
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Does this mean 240 has turned in his TK membership card?
240 claiming he is upset w Cain lying is ridiculous. 240 loves when politicians lie. Shit - he even admires it!
Yet - when Cain did it - its the end of the world. Same w Palins' baby situation.
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Why would a pathological liar like yourself worry about what someone else thinks of liars?
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what bullshit... I highly doubt the dems were behind this stuff comming out. Dems are probably pissed and would rather it came out in the general election if Cain won. Whoever did this, they blew their wad early. Cain has all the time in the world to recover. This benefits someone now and that's not dems. This is most likely Perry's guys who were behind this imo...
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Bob is right again.
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Cain has zero proof that the Perry campaign leaked this.
However, he has no problem screaming it anyway.
the man accused has sworn he's innocent, and has authorized ANY reporter who claimed to have spoke to him, to release the records.
Honestly, with as many people as supposedly knew this at teh NRA firm - I doubt the guy would ruin his own career by leaking it.
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National Restaurant Association chairman during Cain’s tenure: ‘It’s a hatchet job’
The Daily Caller ^ | 11/03/2011 | David Martosko
Posted on November 3, 2011 8:23:10 PM EDT by martosko
In an interview with The Daily Caller, former National Restaurant Association board chairman Joseph Fassler offered a firm defense of GOP presidential front-runner Herman Cain, along with an explanation for how Washington’s best kept secret — the identities of Cain’s sexual-harassment accusers — was also kept from the association’s board.
“The accusations? It’s a hatchet job, in my opinion,” Fassler told TheDC from his Phoenix, Ariz. office. “My gut tells me it’s a hatchet job. He gets a lead, he gets some traction, and the next thing you know, here come these allegations. It’s sad.”
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so not cain is "backing off" accusing perry of leaking the info?
He needs to PROVE Perry did this - or APOLOGIZE to him for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how emotional, reactionary, and out-of-control is he, to outright accuse a competitor of such a terrible thing?
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so not cain is "backing off" accusing perry of leaking the info?
He needs to PROVE Perry did this - or APOLOGIZE to him for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how emotional, reactionary, and out-of-control is he, to outright accuse a competitor of such a terrible thing?
PLEASE!!!
A former member of his Senate campaign staff joins Perry's staff less than 2 weeks ago.....This story breaks less than two weeks ago.
One of the accusers, who claimed he saw Cain's "inappropriate remarks", just HAPPENS to run a Perry superPAC. But, despite no known confidentiality clause, he conveniently can't give the specific actions that "anyone" associated with NRA knew happened.
The Perry camp claims that the Romney camp might have leaked the story.
And, now we learned that when CNN's Anderson Cooper asked a Politico reporter, point blank, if a rival campaign leaked the information to them, that question got DUCKED big time.
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National Restaurant Association chairman during Cain’s tenure: ‘It’s a hatchet job’
The Daily Caller ^ | 11/03/2011 | David Martosko
Posted on November 3, 2011 8:23:10 PM EDT by martosko
In an interview with The Daily Caller, former National Restaurant Association board chairman Joseph Fassler offered a firm defense of GOP presidential front-runner Herman Cain, along with an explanation for how Washington’s best kept secret — the identities of Cain’s sexual-harassment accusers — was also kept from the association’s board.
“The accusations? It’s a hatchet job, in my opinion,” Fassler told TheDC from his Phoenix, Ariz. office. “My gut tells me it’s a hatchet job. He gets a lead, he gets some traction, and the next thing you know, here come these allegations. It’s sad.”
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Fassler is saying what I said earlier, that these women got severance pay. This does NOT look like some legal settlement, especially if no lawsuit was actually filed.
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The Romney perry crowd are pushing this
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1) a year of severace pay is a LOT.
2) Cain accused Perry without evidence.
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1) a year of severace pay is a LOT.
2) Cain accused Perry without evidence.
When this story broke, the report was that both women got five-figure severances. So they both got a year's pay ($35,000 for one, $45,000 for the other). How is the precise amount for the latter woman news? She got five-figures as reported.
Plus, Cain didn't accuse Perry's camp without evidence. I've cited the preliminary evidence at least twice.
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When this story broke, the report was that both women got five-figure severances. So they both got a year's pay ($35,000 for one, $45,000 for the other). How is the precise amount for the latter woman news? She got five-figures as reported.
Plus, Cain didn't accuse Perry's camp without evidence. I've cited the preliminary evidence at least twice.
So who talked to the reporter?
All you know is that a guy who knew went to a competitor.
Maybe he left when politico started asking Qs, as he KNEW the ship would soon be sinking. Makes sense, right?
If I'm high end campaign worker keeping secrets - and politico shows up asking about some bombshell which I know is going to sink my candidate, well yeah, i'm wondering 1) who will benefit and 2) how fast he can hire me lol....
it's just as likely, MCWAY. politico has been asking Cain these Qs on film for 14 or 15 days now. Did they start asking him Qs the same day they found out? I thought they researched it and called the HR manager, etc - FIRST?
Sounds like dude heard the Q and booked town.
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So who talked to the reporter?
All you know is that a guy who knew went to a competitor.
Maybe he left when politico started asking Qs, as he KNEW the ship would soon be sinking. Makes sense, right?
If I'm high end campaign worker keeping secrets - and politico shows up asking about some bombshell which I know is going to sink my candidate, well yeah, i'm wondering 1) who will benefit and 2) how fast he can hire me lol....
it's just as likely, MCWAY. politico has been asking Cain these Qs on film for 14 or 15 days now. Did they start asking him Qs the same day they found out? I thought they researched it and called the HR manager, etc - FIRST?
Sounds like dude heard the Q and booked town.
Cain has answered those questions (or similar ones, at least), on several occasions.
Cain's proverbial ship has yet to sink. His fundraising is WAY UP, as his poll numbers in SC, and he still leads Romney in the Rasmussen poll.
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his initial numbers are up, but he can claim anything, can't he? Didn't romney strettttch those number with that 10 million "pledge" day that never materialized?
Give it two weeks. Let some of these accusers issue their statements. See how "he joked about sticking his finger up my ass" or other nonsense will play with moderate female voters...
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Cain has answered those questions (or similar ones, at least), on several occasions.
Cain's proverbial ship has yet to sink. His fundraising is WAY UP, as his poll numbers in SC, and he still leads Romney in the Rasmussen poll.
Sounds great for you if we take make that bet.
Still up for it?
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Sounds great for you if we take make that bet.
Still up for it?
I already accepted your wager, under the condition of a 7-point spread, since Cain and Romney have been neck-and-neck for weeks, now.
You claimed this controversy was going to tank Cain's campaign. A fluctuation of a couple of points isn't tanking.
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I already accepted your wager, under the condition of a 7-point spread, since Cain and Romney have been neck-and-neck for weeks, now.
You claimed this controversy was going to tank Cain's campaign. A fluctuation of a couple of points isn't tanking.
Ok, how about this:
Two weeks from today - 11/18 Romney will be 4 points ahead.
Four weeks from today - 11/25 Romeny will be 7 points ahead.
We will average the scores from three major polling sites. RCP, Ramuss, and whatever you think is an unbiased 3rd one.
How is that?
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Cain accuser attorney: Client sees 'no value' in revisiting issue
CNN ^ | 11/4/11 | CNN/wire staff
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2011 4:38:06 PM by ColdOne
CNN) - Joel Bennett, the attorney for one the women who has accused Herman Cain of sexual harassment, said Friday that his client "made a complaint in good faith about a series of inappropriate behaviors and unwanted advances" from the GOP presidential candidate.
Bennett said his client sees "no value" in revisiting the issue now, but "stands by the complaint that she made."
Bennett said his client would disagree with Cain's characterization of the alleged harassment incidents.
He confirmed that the alleged harassment occurred in 1999 over a period of "at least a month or two." There was "more than one incident," he said.
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fucking cvnts. whoever leaked this and refuse to say what the accusation was are pofs.
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Kafkaesque.
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With No Specifics to the Accusations, Herman Cain Wins This Fight
National Review ^ | 11-4-2011 | Jim Geraghty
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2011 5:53:14 PM by smoothsailing
With No Specifics to the Accusations, Herman Cain Wins This Fight
Jim Geraghty
November 4, 2011
Joel Bennett, the lawyer for one of the former employees of the National Restaurant Association who accused Herman Cain of sexual harassment, spoke to Wolf Blitzer live on CNN moments ago.
Bennett said that in his legal opinion, what occurred between Cain and his client met the legal definition of sexual harassment. But despite repeated questions from Blitzer, he refused to specify what the alleged actions were, and he said his client would not be appearing to shed any further light on the matter.
When Blitzer pointed out Cain’s vehement, blanket denial, Bennett replied, “In all my years of lawyering, I’ve never seen anyone accused of sexual harassment say, ‘I did it.’”
In short, Mr. Bennett is arguing, ’I won’t say what he did, but trust me, he’s guilty of wrongdoing.’ This is ridiculous. To Politico, the public is supposed to take this into account in their assessment of Cain but we can’t even get any sense of what triggered the original complaint, and whether this was much ado about nothing or whether Cain actually did something wrong.
Without the basic details, the public cannot take this into account in their assessment of Cain, or ought not to. Despite all the drama of the week, we know about as much as we did Monday. Two employees made complaints, but we don’t really know much about what the complaints were. Was there some bad behavior on Cain’s part? Were the NRA payments just designed to avoid the cost of litigating the claims? Who knows?
“It’s over, from our perspective,” Bennett said of the controversy.
Yes, this story ought to be over. While this story does not reassure much about Herman Cain and his campaign – i.e., blaming Perry, walking back the accusation, then having Cain seem to walk back the walk back – he’s been wronged by having a politically damaging accusation widely aired but never being able to cross-examine his accuser or refute the charges.
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Statement from the National Restaurant Association
The Right Scoop ^ | Nov 4, 2011
Joel Bennett held a press conference moments ago on behalf of his client who alleged sexual harassment charges against Herman Cain, and it amounted to a big fat zero of any relevant information to this. The woman doesn’t want to reveal her identity or her side of the story. What’s interesting is that the NRA, according to their statement below, would have released her from the confidentiality portion of the agreement to allow her to vocalize her side of the story. But they still opted not to. So, end of story.
Here is the NRA’s statement:
“We have seen the statement Joel Bennett released earlier today on behalf of his client, a former employee of the Association. The Association consented to the release of that statement, at the request of Mr. Bennett’s client.
“Based upon the information currently available, we can confirm that more than a decade ago, in July 1999, Mr. Bennett’s client filed a formal internal complaint, in accordance with the Association’s existing policies prohibiting discrimination and harassment. Mr. Herman Cain disputed the allegations in the complaint. The Association and Mr. Bennett’s client subsequently entered into an agreement to resolve the matter, without any admission of liability. Mr. Cain was not a party to that agreement. The agreement contains mutual confidentiality obligations. Notwithstanding the Association’s ongoing policy of maintaining the privacy of all personnel matters, we have advised Mr. Bennett that we are willing to waive the confidentiality of this matter and permit Mr. Bennett’s client to comment. As indicated in Mr. Bennett’s statement, his client prefers not to be further involved with this matter and we will respect her decision.
“The Association has robust policies designed to ensure that employees with concerns may bring them forward for prompt investigation and resolution, without risk of retaliation. The Association is fully committed to equal employment opportunity and to an environment that is free from any discrimination or harassment.”
The agreement was made between the NRA and the client with no admission of liability. And Cain, just as he said, wasn’t a party to the agreement.
Also, remember how the press wanted to make a big deal out of the fact that Herman Cain used the word “agreement”? Just to point out, that’s exactly the word used in this statement. What does it matter? Not much at this point.
So, all in all, this is over and there is nothing to indicate that Cain did anything wrong. Let the Cain Train keep rollin’ on!
SO EVEN THEN HE DISPUTED THIS BS. HE WAS NOT A PARTY TO THIS AGREEMENT AND WAS NOT IN A POSITION TO ALTER THE SETTLEMENT IN ANY WAY.
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Statement from the National Restaurant Association
The Right Scoop ^ | Nov 4, 2011
Joel Bennett held a press conference moments ago on behalf of his client who alleged sexual harassment charges against Herman Cain, and it amounted to a big fat zero of any relevant information to this. The woman doesn’t want to reveal her identity or her side of the story. What’s interesting is that the NRA, according to their statement below, would have released her from the confidentiality portion of the agreement to allow her to vocalize her side of the story. But they still opted not to. So, end of story.
Here is the NRA’s statement:
“We have seen the statement Joel Bennett released earlier today on behalf of his client, a former employee of the Association. The Association consented to the release of that statement, at the request of Mr. Bennett’s client.
“Based upon the information currently available, we can confirm that more than a decade ago, in July 1999, Mr. Bennett’s client filed a formal internal complaint, in accordance with the Association’s existing policies prohibiting discrimination and harassment. Mr. Herman Cain disputed the allegations in the complaint. The Association and Mr. Bennett’s client subsequently entered into an agreement to resolve the matter, without any admission of liability. Mr. Cain was not a party to that agreement. The agreement contains mutual confidentiality obligations. Notwithstanding the Association’s ongoing policy of maintaining the privacy of all personnel matters, we have advised Mr. Bennett that we are willing to waive the confidentiality of this matter and permit Mr. Bennett’s client to comment. As indicated in Mr. Bennett’s statement, his client prefers not to be further involved with this matter and we will respect her decision.
“The Association has robust policies designed to ensure that employees with concerns may bring them forward for prompt investigation and resolution, without risk of retaliation. The Association is fully committed to equal employment opportunity and to an environment that is free from any discrimination or harassment.”
The agreement was made between the NRA and the client with no admission of liability. And Cain, just as he said, wasn’t a party to the agreement.
Also, remember how the press wanted to make a big deal out of the fact that Herman Cain used the word “agreement”? Just to point out, that’s exactly the word used in this statement. What does it matter? Not much at this point.
So, all in all, this is over and there is nothing to indicate that Cain did anything wrong. Let the Cain Train keep rollin’ on!
SO EVEN THEN HE DISPUTED THIS BS. HE WAS NOT A PARTY TO THIS AGREEMENT AND WAS NOT IN A POSITION TO ALTER THE SETTLEMENT IN ANY WAY.
This is outrageous. I suspect a large segment of the voting public will see through this kind of witch hunt.
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We were wrong about Herman Cain and sexual harassment
http://www.washingtonpost.com ^ | 11/4/2011 | By Alexandra Petri
Posted on November 4, 2011 9:26:08 PM EDT by Maelstorm
Maybe we were reading these sexual harassment allegations wrong.
They don’t seem to have hurt Cain at all. If anything, they’ve made him stronger. A Washington Post-ABC Poll found him still nearly tied with Romney in the polls — even after the allegations made news!
The Monday after they surfaced was a banner day for fundraising Cain. More than a million dollars of donations reportedly poured in. Maybe the Rick Perry staffer who so cleverly traveled back to the past to seed these allegations more than a decade ago should have thought harder. So far, they seem to be having the opposite of their expected effect.
“We were worried that ‘sexual harassment’ might be going too far,” someone murmurs in a bunker. “It’s a touchy subject. It’s not as clear-cut as an affair. It’s like pornography — you know it when you see it, and you try to keep it out of the office. But it turns out people enjoy a salacious sideline to their daily barrage of 2012 news.”
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
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Politico's Martin Still Can't Explain Exactly What Herman Cain Did
RealClearPolitics ^ | November 6, 2011
Posted on November 6, 2011 5:07:12 PM EST by 2ndDivisionVet
(VIDEO AT LINK)
In an interview with Howard Kurtz on CNN, Politico's Jonathan Martin still can't explain what exactly it is that Herman Cain reportedly did to the women who received payouts from the National Restaurant Association. Mr. Martin's main argument is because the story hasn't been fully challenged, it must be true. Here's a partial transcript of the back-and-forth between Martin and Kurtz.
Howard Kurtz, CNN: "Jonathan Martin, let's talk about the first story last Sunday, you and three colleagues reported this and what it didn't contain in the way of details. Here's the language from the story. Sexually suggestive behavior that made the women angry and uncomfortable, descriptions of physical gestures, not always overtly sexual, innuendo, and in one case, an unwanted sexual advance at a hotel."
"Why publish the story then when you couldn't answer the essential question: What precisely is Herman Cain alleged to have done to these women?"
Jonathan Martin, Politico: "Howie, I think any journalist would find the, uh -- a report of two women got a five figure, each, cash payout after alleged sexual harassment against a CEO of a trade group that is now a major contender for president, newsworthy. And that's the story we had, and that's what we published."
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wait til cain is the candidate and this tape comes out in october 2012.
"He asked how many fingers he could fit up my ass" and other sick shit.
Good luck with the women vote.
it's like yall want obama - Cain lied about the charges repeatedly - then as the facts emerged, he changed his story. All you have right now is not the truth - rather, it's the latest VERSION from cain. At some point, the document WILL come out - you know that, right? Then cain will change his story again.
of course, your naive self bought Cain's first two stories, so you're probably buying this one too ;)
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Women voted for bubba.
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Women voted for bubba.
yeah, but they thought he was hot. They kinda wished it was them that scumbag clinton was hitting on.
Cain? ehhh
Either way, 33, you're defending cain - when you should be praying that romney or paul or newt gets the nod. Obama will destroy cain in the debates. EVERY SINGLE time cain takes the mic now, he completely embarasses himself. Anything of substance - he just isn't smart.
Repeat that, bro. Please. Cain is not that bright.
I'd release all the GITMO bad guys?
China doesn't have nukes?
Newt... why don't you answer that?
He's dumb. Stupid. He will have one of those "I don't care who the leader of Russia is, I hate obama" moments against obama in the polls...
Oh well. Back him. Defend him. And cry for 4 more years when Obama beats him. What the fuck ever.
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O am voting for RP in the NYS GOP primary and ABO in the GE.
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O am voting for RP in the NYS GOP primary and ABO in the GE.
i can dig that.
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Ok, how about this:
Two weeks from today - 11/18 Romney will be 4 points ahead.
Four weeks from today - 11/25 Romeny will be 7 points ahead.
We will average the scores from three major polling sites. RCP, Ramuss, and whatever you think is an unbiased 3rd one.
How is that?
mcway>??????
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This is outrageous. I suspect a large segment of the voting public will see through this kind of witch hunt.
Oh look, it wasn't a witch hunt after all. Turns out he apologized after the receipts and sexting transcripts came out.
Dos Equis, are you as sure about Cruz being framed, as you were about Cain being framed? ;)
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Oh look, it wasn't a witch hunt after all. Turns out he apologized after the receipts and sexting transcripts came out.
Dos Equis, are you as sure about Cruz being framed, as you were about Cain being framed? ;)
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Framed? Stop while you're behind.
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In a week, or several weeks, this lawyer will release the name/number of the person in the 2016 race that called the dc madam for repeat hooker business.
It'll be ted Cruz. And when it is, the entire conversation will shift from "dude, the lawyer will never release it" into "dude, the lawyer is a liar". Watch and see. They always move the finish line.
This thread illustrates those who blindly defended Herman Cain as he smirked, accepted then declined polygraphs, and blamed liberals for all the women saying he was freaky with them. As the weeks passed and the evidence stacked up, they just got quiet and slinked away. Coach, dos equis, etc. It's like they don't want to admit they mocked the idea, then had to accept it.
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A week, several weeks, a few days, a day, nine years, 23 months or 23 years you
Whatever. You have nothing and never had anything.
Again, Cruz may be banging whores and stacking them 10 high on a nightly basis but you have ZERO evidence to prove such a thing. None, zero, nada, nothing.
That's why no ones believes a word you're saying.
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Again, Cruz may be banging whores and stacking them 10 high on a nightly basis but you have ZERO evidence to prove such a thing. None, zero, nada, nothing.
I believe the lawyer for the dc madam case does have this evidence. He's been very accurate so far, he has revealed info about some very big firms. When he moves to individuals and points out the POTUS potential - as he said he will do - it'll be very credible as well.
He promised this evidence is coming, and I do believe him. Nobody (outside of getbig) is denying the accuracy of the hooker call logs.
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I believe the lawyer for the dc madam case does have this evidence. He's been very accurate so far, he has revealed info about some very big firms. When he moves to individuals and points out the POTUS potential - as he said he will do - it'll be very credible as well.
He promised this evidence is coming, and I do believe him. Nobody (outside of getbig) is denying the accuracy of the hooker call logs.
Okay, so at least you now admit there is ZERO evidence of anything at this point in time.
Progress!
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Okay, so at least you now admit there is ZERO evidence of anything at this point in time.
Progress!
I believe there is very clear evidence, it just hasn't been made public yet.
The lawyer is extremely credible and has been for a decade. Getbiggers who doubt it, well, they just haven't followed this case. We were talking about it a decade ago on getbig and the lawyer has been accurate every step of the way, and the records aren't something which can be debated. They're real.
I believe him when he says it's going to wreck one of the POTUS hopefuls, and I believe it's Cruz. IMO, better not to risk him being the choice, particularly with his shady ashley madison stuff.
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I believe there is very clear evidence, it just hasn't been made public yet.
Hahaha so like he said, you have nothing
It's good to see that some things never change, you dope
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Hahaha so like he said, you have nothing
It's good to see that some things never change, you dope
when the initial Cain allegations were made, we heard the same argument on getbig, . "you got nothin, you can't prove nothing, you aint shit, Cain hasn't been proven guilty yet...
Yet. THere was enough stink to know it was coming, and it did. Same case here. Short-sighted people think if you don't have an ironclad case on monday morning, he'll be cool on tuesday. These things take many weeks to come out, and just like with cain/carson, this will come out. When it does, cruz will sink and if he's the nominee, hilary takes it.
this thread is just another example of people celebrating because Cain wasn't 'proven' guilty on day 1... but it smelled like enough shit that everyone with a brain knew it was coming.
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Framed? Stop while you're behind.
lol :D
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Cain has denied it, 240. So, now what?
Now we waited 3 weeks, a shitload of evidence comes out, and then Cain admits it and disappears into obscurity.
Oh, and all his little kneepadders crawl away.