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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Soul Crusher on November 01, 2011, 06:47:48 AM
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I can view clips here on the work PC. So I have no idea what nonsense you have posted.
Though I am sure it is something you have regurgitated on here a thousand times before.
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I can view clips here on the work PC. So I have no idea what nonsense you have posted.
Though I am sure it is something you have regurgitated on here a thousand times before.
Rev. Wright
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And?
What? Saying Rev. Wright doesn't mean shit. Do you want me to comment on something I haven't even seen yet? Isn't that more along the lines of your daily behavior.
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Bump for blackass
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BUMP FOR BLACKASS!
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what do you want
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what do you want
Did Obama lie - yes or no?
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lie about what
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Did Obama lie - yes or no?
you're an attorney
tell us what lie you heard
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you're an attorney
tell us what lie you heard
Says he never heard those statements of Rev. Wright and then says the direct opposite.
What is that to you?
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Says he never heard those statements of Rev. Wright and then says the direct opposite.
What is that to you?
I watched the video of edited clips and never heard him specify what statements exactly that he heard
can you tell me exactly what portion of the video you're referring too?
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I watched the video of edited clips and never heard him specify what statements exactly that he heard
can you tell me exactly what portion of the video you're referring too?
::) ::) ::)
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give me the times on the video where he say one thing then says the other, i watched the video and didn't hear it
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::) ::) ::)
dude - you can't even point to the time in the video you're referring too?
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dude - you can't even point to the time in the video you're referring too?
The whole damn thing!
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i think you posted the wrong video,check to make sure you have the wright one ;D
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The whole damn thing!
this is yet another example of why you're most likely an insane person
another example would this conversation
you are not sane therefore it's impossible to have a conversation with you that doesn't lead right back to crazy town
Lmfao!!!! How many real pressers does MaoBama hold jackass?
I have no idea what's "real" to you
let's establish a baseline
was the one with the South Korean president a "real presser" ?
no! He lies ad stammers and bullshits so much he just runs out the clock on utter bs so that at most 5 or so bs questions are asked and no follow ups.
only a severely beaten wife like yourself could believe Obama does anything but bullshit and lie his way through his faux presidency.
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333 -all I asked was for the specific place in the video you posted where you see Obama specifically lie
why is that so difficult for you?
I thought you were an attorney?
detailed stuff like this should be your forte but you seem more like a retarded grade schooler
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333 -all I asked was for the specific place in the video you posted where you see Obama specifically lie
why is that so difficult for you?
I thought you were an attorney?
detailed stuff like this should be your forte but you seem more like a retarded grade schooler
The BOR one above w Obama's own words show he lied his ass off.
Only a beaten wife like yourself could still believe this fraud.
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went to use the you tube site, but it's as slow as shit ,seems some idiot is pulling all kinds of videos for the site :D :D :D
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Boy this didn't pan out well for the board baby.
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Case closed.
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Boy this didn't pan out well for the board baby.
:D
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The BOR one above w Obama's own words show he lied his ass off.
Only a beaten wife like yourself could still believe this fraud.
the only thing getting beaten here is your connection with reality
I asked you to show me the point in the video where Obama lied and what the specific lie is and you seem to be incapable of doing so
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the only thing getting beaten here is your connection with reality
I asked you to show me the point in the video where Obama lied and what the specific lie is and you seem to be incapable of doing so
BOR - did you ever Wright say anything bad about white people?
Obama - No.
Obama's own book Dreams of my fathers: Wright sermon where he talked about "White folks greed runs a world in need"
HHHMMMMM??????????
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Case closed.
wow - he quotes Wright saying "white folks greed"
OMG !!
is that all you've got
didn't this happen like 5 years ago
what exactly is your point?
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He said he NEVER heard Wrights sermons about white people.
And Cain's issue is 20 years old, not 5.
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Obama lied about Lybia as well.
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Obama is a lying liar.
let's label him a bag of shit along with Cain, put them both in the "do not elect in 2008" category, and let Hilary run against Ron paul.
Problem solved, hoss!
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Lied about health care
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Lied about Doctors
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He said he NEVER heard Wrights sermons about white people.
And Cain's issue is 20 years old, not 5.
I thought greed was considered a good thing in America so how can you say Wright is saying bad things about white people.
Let me know when you find Obama quoting Wright about stuff that's actually inflamatory and more importantly not true
btw - what's your point about Cain?
you seem to think these videos about Obama are significant so are you also saying the same is true about Cain?
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Even Hillary called your messiah a lying sack of shit.
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Lied about Doctors
again - state the specific lie and where in each video you see it
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He said doctors choose to ampute feet over treating patients because they get an immediate 35k. LIE
He said doctors take out tonsils because of the financial incentive - LIE
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this whole tread because cain sexually harrassment of women ::) ::)
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this whole tread because cain sexually harrassment of women ::) ::)
Its about your hypocrisy and showing you dont give a shit about lying so long as its obama doing it.
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nope.
next question? better luck next time !
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nope.
next question? better luck next time !
Beaten Wives Club.
BOR - DID YOU EVER HEAR WRIGHT SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE?
OBAMA - NO
OBAMA IN DREAMS FROM MY DRUNK MARXIST FATHER SAID HE HEARDS WRIGHTS SERMONS SAYING : "WHITE FOLKS' GREED RUNS A WORLD IN NEED"
YOU LIE!
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He said doctors choose to ampute feet over treating patients because they get an immediate 35k. LIE
He said doctors take out tonsils because of the financial incentive - LIE
Wow - again a clear example of what I've said many times before
you watch a video and see and hear things that are NOT IN THE VIDEO
This means that YOU ARE THE LIAR
tell me where in this video that Obama said that doctors choose to amputate feet over treatment
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simple request 333
show us where in the 1 minute video that you posted that you see/hear
He said doctors choose to ampute feet over treating patients because they get an immediate 35k. LIE
I've watched it a few times now and Obama said no such thing
this means that not only are you a liar but if you truly believe your statement above then you are suffering from hallucinations and are truly in need of serious medical attention
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simple request 333
show us where in the 1 minute video that you posted that you see/hear
I've watched it a few times now and Obama said no such thing
this means that not only are you a liar but if you truly believe your statement above then you are suffering from hallucinations and are truly in need of serious medical attention
Can you see him really being in a courtroom? I mean, he can't even present or elevate his own argument here on the internet with a bunch of people who really don't care. There is no judge alive that would put up with someone running in circles chasing his own tail and backtracking, deflecting constantly while a trial was going on in his courtroom.
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Can you see him really being in a courtroom? I mean, he can't even present or elevate his own argument here on the internet with a bunch of people who really don't care. There is no judge alive that would put up with someone running in circles chasing his own tail and backtracking, deflecting constantly while a trial was going on in his courtroom.
I honestly believe he has mental issues
could be organic or chemical related but something is clearly wrong with the dude
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Can you see him really being in a courtroom? I mean, he can't even present or elevate his own argument here on the internet with a bunch of people who really don't care. There is no judge alive that would put up with someone running in circles chasing his own tail and backtracking, deflecting constantly while a trial was going on in his courtroom.
News from the American College of Surgeons >
News from the American College of Surgeons
Releases: August 12, 2009 Contact: Sally Garneski 312-202-5409
or
Barbara Hemberger 952-346-6232
Statement from the American College of Surgeons Regarding
Recent Comments from President Obama
CHICAGO—The American College of Surgeons is deeply disturbed over the uninformed public comments President Obama continues to make about the high-quality care provided by surgeons in the United States. When the President makes statements that are incorrect or not based in fact, we think he does a disservice to the American people at a time when they want clear, understandable facts about health care reform. We want to set the record straight.
Yesterday during a town hall meeting, President Obama got his facts completely wrong. He stated that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a leg amputation when, in fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation. This payment also includes the evaluation of the patient on the day of the operation plus patient follow-up care that is provided for 90 days after the operation. Private insurers pay some variation of the Medicare reimbursement for this service.
Three weeks ago, the President suggested that a surgeon’s decision to remove a child’s tonsils is based on the desire to make a lot of money. That remark was ill-informed and dangerous, and we were dismayed by this characterization of the work surgeons do. Surgeons make decisions about recommending operations based on what’s right for the patient.
We agree with the President that the best thing for patients with diabetes is to manage the disease proactively to avoid the bad consequences that can occur, including blindness, stroke, and amputation. But as is the case for a person who has been treated for cancer and still needs to have a tumor removed, or a person who is in a terrible car crash and needs access to a trauma surgeon, there are times when even a perfectly managed diabetic patient needs a surgeon. The President’s remarks are truly alarming and run the risk of damaging the all-important trust between surgeons and their patients.
We assume that the President made these mistakes unintentionally, but we would urge him to have his facts correct before making another inflammatory and incorrect statement about surgeons and surgical care.
About the American College of Surgeons
The American College of Surgeons is a scientific and educational organization of surgeons that was founded in 1913 to raise the standards of surgical practice and to improve the care of the surgical patient. The College is dedicated to the ethical and competent practice of surgery. Its achievements have significantly influenced the course of scientific surgery in America and have established it as an important advocate for all surgical patients. The College has more than 74,000 members and is the largest organization of surgeons in the world.
Web site: www.facs.org
# # #
Online August 13, 2009
News from the College
http://www.facs.org/news/obama081209.html
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simple request 333
show us where in the 1 minute video that you posted that you see/hear
I've watched it a few times now and Obama said no such thing
this means that not only are you a liar but if you truly believe your statement above then you are suffering from hallucinations and are truly in need of serious medical attention
News from the American College of Surgeons >
News from the American College of Surgeons
Releases: August 12, 2009 Contact: Sally Garneski 312-202-5409
or
Barbara Hemberger 952-346-6232
Statement from the American College of Surgeons Regarding
Recent Comments from President Obama
CHICAGO—The American College of Surgeons is deeply disturbed over the uninformed public comments President Obama continues to make about the high-quality care provided by surgeons in the United States. When the President makes statements that are incorrect or not based in fact, we think he does a disservice to the American people at a time when they want clear, understandable facts about health care reform. We want to set the record straight.
Yesterday during a town hall meeting, President Obama got his facts completely wrong. He stated that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a leg amputation when, in fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation. This payment also includes the evaluation of the patient on the day of the operation plus patient follow-up care that is provided for 90 days after the operation. Private insurers pay some variation of the Medicare reimbursement for this service.
Three weeks ago, the President suggested that a surgeon’s decision to remove a child’s tonsils is based on the desire to make a lot of money. That remark was ill-informed and dangerous, and we were dismayed by this characterization of the work surgeons do. Surgeons make decisions about recommending operations based on what’s right for the patient.
We agree with the President that the best thing for patients with diabetes is to manage the disease proactively to avoid the bad consequences that can occur, including blindness, stroke, and amputation. But as is the case for a person who has been treated for cancer and still needs to have a tumor removed, or a person who is in a terrible car crash and needs access to a trauma surgeon, there are times when even a perfectly managed diabetic patient needs a surgeon. The President’s remarks are truly alarming and run the risk of damaging the all-important trust between surgeons and their patients.
We assume that the President made these mistakes unintentionally, but we would urge him to have his facts correct before making another inflammatory and incorrect statement about surgeons and surgical care.
About the American College of Surgeons
The American College of Surgeons is a scientific and educational organization of surgeons that was founded in 1913 to raise the standards of surgical practice and to improve the care of the surgical patient. The College is dedicated to the ethical and competent practice of surgery. Its achievements have significantly influenced the course of scientific surgery in America and have established it as an important advocate for all surgical patients. The College has more than 74,000 members and is the largest organization of surgeons in the world.
Web site: www.facs.org
# # #
Online August 13, 2009
News from the College
http://www.facs.org/news/obama081209.html
STRAW KNOWS MORE THAN THE BOARD OF SURGEONS RIGHT? ? ? ? ?
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News from the American College of Surgeons >
News from the American College of Surgeons
Releases: August 12, 2009 Contact: Sally Garneski 312-202-5409
or
Barbara Hemberger 952-346-6232
Statement from the American College of Surgeons Regarding
Recent Comments from President Obama
CHICAGO—The American College of Surgeons is deeply disturbed over the uninformed public comments President Obama continues to make about the high-quality care provided by surgeons in the United States. When the President makes statements that are incorrect or not based in fact, we think he does a disservice to the American people at a time when they want clear, understandable facts about health care reform. We want to set the record straight.
Yesterday during a town hall meeting, President Obama got his facts completely wrong. He stated that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a leg amputation when, in fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation. This payment also includes the evaluation of the patient on the day of the operation plus patient follow-up care that is provided for 90 days after the operation. Private insurers pay some variation of the Medicare reimbursement for this service.
Three weeks ago, the President suggested that a surgeon’s decision to remove a child’s tonsils is based on the desire to make a lot of money. That remark was ill-informed and dangerous, and we were dismayed by this characterization of the work surgeons do. Surgeons make decisions about recommending operations based on what’s right for the patient.
We agree with the President that the best thing for patients with diabetes is to manage the disease proactively to avoid the bad consequences that can occur, including blindness, stroke, and amputation. But as is the case for a person who has been treated for cancer and still needs to have a tumor removed, or a person who is in a terrible car crash and needs access to a trauma surgeon, there are times when even a perfectly managed diabetic patient needs a surgeon. The President’s remarks are truly alarming and run the risk of damaging the all-important trust between surgeons and their patients.
We assume that the President made these mistakes unintentionally, but we would urge him to have his facts correct before making another inflammatory and incorrect statement about surgeons and surgical care.
About the American College of Surgeons
The American College of Surgeons is a scientific and educational organization of surgeons that was founded in 1913 to raise the standards of surgical practice and to improve the care of the surgical patient. The College is dedicated to the ethical and competent practice of surgery. Its achievements have significantly influenced the course of scientific surgery in America and have established it as an important advocate for all surgical patients. The College has more than 74,000 members and is the largest organization of surgeons in the world.
Web site: www.facs.org
# # #
Online August 13, 2009
News from the College
http://www.facs.org/news/obama081209.html
STRAW KNOWS MORE THAN THE BOARD OF SURGEONS RIGHT? ? ? ? ?
I never mentioned the tonsils and this article just mentions that Obama got the $ amount wrong for the ampution
what I do know and what anyone can prove to themselves is that you lied when you said
He said doctors choose to ampute feet over treating patients because they get an immediate 35k. LIE
Obama made no such statement and anyone who watches the video below will prove to themself that not only are you a liar but that you're suffering from hallucinations
feel free to point out the section of the 60 second video that supports your statement or just admit you're a liar
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I honestly believe he has mental issues
could be organic or chemical related but something is clearly wrong with the dude
If you honestly believe that, then why would you continue to engage such a person?
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If you honestly believe that, then why would you continue to engage such a person?
Straw supports the Stim Bill, ObamaCare, and all the WTF policies of Obama and she has the vagina to call me out? LMFAO.
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If you honestly believe that, then why would you continue to engage such a person?
good question
I've made that statement on this board many times
I guess I keep thinking maybe he'll get help or at least stop the blatant lying when it's pointed out to him
you're right though
engaging an insane person and thinking you're going to have meaningful dialogue is pointless
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simple question 333
at what point in the video do you see/hear Obama making the statement you've attributed to him below?
why is that so difficult for you to do?
He said doctors choose to ampute feet over treating patients because they get an immediate 35k. LIE
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Think about it fool. He is saying docs dont care for their patients because they get paid "a pittance" and then clean up when the foot gets amputated. The entire statement shows very clearly the point he is making, AS WAS POINTED OUT BY THE BOARD OF SURGEONS.
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good question
I've made that statement on this board many times
I guess I keep thinking maybe he'll get help or at least stop the blatant lying when it's pointed out to him
you're right though
engaging an insane person and thinking you're going to have meaningful dialogue is pointless
First, let me clarify that I don't believe 33 is insane at all. But, like you mentioned, you've said it countless times now.
But you remind me of something that happened up here about 10 years ago. A friend of mine who liked to fight was going to beat the shit out of two guys one night. They made the wrong comment to the wrong person, but it hardly warranted an ass kicking. One kid kept trying to talk to him to find out why he was so angry, which only served to agitate him more.
I pulled the kid away and asked him if he thought my friend was a rational person. He said of course not, so I asked him why he was trying to rationalize with him - just walk the fuck away.
If you believe your own statements, you should just do the same.
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Think about it fool. He is saying docs dont care for their patients because they get paid "a pittance" and then clean up when the foot gets amputated. The entire statement shows very clearly the point he is making, AS WAS POINTED OUT BY THE BOARD OF SURGEONS.
I simply asked you where in your video I can find the statement you've attributed to Obama that a doctors choose to amputate feet over treating a patient
just tell me where in the 60 second video you see that statement being made by Obama
or admit you lied and that statement is not in the video
either one is fine
thanks
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First, let me clarify that I don't believe 33 is insane at all. But, like you mentioned, you've said it countless times now.
But you remind me of something that happened up here about 10 years ago. A friend of mine who liked to fight was going to beat the shit out of two guys one night. They made the wrong comment to the wrong person, but it hardly warranted an ass kicking. One kid kept trying to talk to him to find out why he was so angry, which only served to agitate him more.
I pulled the kid away and asked him if he thought my friend was a rational person. He said of course not, so I asked him why he was trying to rationalize with him - just walk the fuck away.
If you believe your own statements, you should just do the same.
fuck that
I'm sick of 333 constant lying
if it were just an occasional thing I would ignore and/or would not belabor the point but he spams the board with this shit and then challenges us by asking if Obama lied (note title of this thread)
If he can't take someone asking him to merely show us what part of a video contained a statement that he attributes to Obama then he should stop posting this shit
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Ha ha ha!!!! Take the entire statement in its entirety and it clear as day that Obama is a lying sack of SHIT - just as the Board of Surgeons called him out on.
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fuck that
I'm sick of 333 constant lying
if it were just an occasional thing I would ignore and/or would not belabor the point but he spams the board with this shit and then challenges us by asking if Obama lied (note title of this thread)
If he can't take someone asking him to merely show us what part of a video contained a statement that he attributes to Obama then he should stop posting this shit
That's kind of what I thought. You don't really think he's insane, you just can't help yourself. I think you think about him when you're offline.
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That's kind of what I thought. You don't really think he's insane, you just can't help yourself. I think you think about him when you're offline.
I believe he is insane or a pathological liar
he made a claim and challenged the board and I've simply asked him to show us where the statement that he attributed to Obama
he could just as easily say "I made a mistake" and that statement is not in the video
I've admitted mistakes when I make them
what's so hard about that?
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That's kind of what I thought. You don't really think he's insane, you just can't help yourself. I think you think about him when you're offline.
Straw, licker, 180, blackass, etc are just raw because Obama's presidency was not supposed to turn out the be the embarassing, dishonest, incompetent, corrupt, and inept mess it is.
They truly believed Obama was the second coming.
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I believe he is insane or a pathological liar
he made a claim and challenged the board and I've simply asked him to show us where the statement that he attributed to Obama
he could just as easily say "I made a mistake" and that statement is not in the video
I've admitted mistakes when I make them
what's so hard about that?
Its the natural and logical conclusion that a normal person takes away from his statement, the same way they did with the tonsils nonsense he spouted. Same bs from this muslim marxist sleeper cell - neo-communist POTUS
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I believe he is insane or a pathological liar
he made a claim and challenged the board and I've simply asked him to show us where the statement that he attributed to Obama
he could just as easily say "I made a mistake" and that statement is not in the video
I've admitted mistakes when I make them
what's so hard about that?
We're not talking about him. We're talking about you. You just admitted again you think he's insane or a pathological liar, yet you still follow him around and try to change that. What does that say about you? I'm assuming you know that Insanity and pathological lying cannot be cured by countering posts on a message board.
Log off, or you're equally fucked up.
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CHICAGO—The American College of Surgeons is deeply disturbed over the uninformed public comments President Obama continues to make about the high-quality care provided by surgeons in the United States. When the President makes statements that are incorrect or not based in fact, we think he does a disservice to the American people at a time when they want clear, understandable facts about health care reform. We want to set the record straight.
Yesterday during a town hall meeting, President Obama got his facts completely wrong. He stated that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a leg amputation when, in fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation. This payment also includes the evaluation of the patient on the day of the operation plus patient follow-up care that is provided for 90 days after the operation. Private insurers pay some variation of the Medicare reimbursement for this service.
Three weeks ago, the President suggested that a surgeon’s decision to remove a child’s tonsils is based on the desire to make a lot of money. That remark was ill-informed and dangerous, and we were dismayed by this characterization of the work surgeons
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We're not talking about him. We're talking about you. You just admitted again you think he's insane or a pathological liar, yet you still follow him around and try to change that. What does that say about you? I'm assuming you know that Insanity and pathological lying cannot be cured by countering posts on a message board.
Log off, or you're equally fucked up.
hahaha follow him around he's in every post,to avoid him would be impossable
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Here is a list of ways to identify a sociopath. This list is from "Profile of a Sociopath." Is is a pretty good list of sociopathic indicators.
Grandiose sense of self
Pathological lying <------ Nonstop 24/7 every waking minute
Lack of remorse, shame or guilt
Shallow emotions
Inability to interact with reality <--------ditto
Poor behavioral controls/impulsive nature
Irresponsibility/unreliability
Lack of realistic life plan <------ No one has ever won an award for 70,000 internet whining posts
Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them <--- hence the reason he never answers questions when called out on his personal behavior
Paranoid
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another <---- though his imaginary gf is a result of other humans being repulsed by him
Anyone posting nonstop 24/7 on the internet with no real life has mental problems.
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hahaha follow him around he's in every post,to avoid him would be impossable
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who's that
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We're not talking about him. We're talking about you. You just admitted again you think he's insane or a pathological liar, yet you still follow him around and try to change that. What does that say about you? I'm assuming you know that Insanity and pathological lying cannot be cured by countering posts on a message board.
Log off, or you're equally fucked up.
I log off all the time, sometimes for days at a time
333 started this thread and challenged people by asking if Obama lied
All I've done is ask him to tell me what point in the video is the claim he attributed to Obama or admit it doesn't exist
that's a pretty simple request.
if you have a problem with that then you can take your own advice and log off or not
makes no difference to me
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who's that
The woman who got caught pimping a teen girl at OWS
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I log off all the time, sometimes for days at a time
333 started this thread and challenged people by asking if Obama lied
All I've done is ask him to tell me what point in the video is the claim he attributed to Obama or admit it doesn't exist
that's a pretty simple request.
if you have a problem with that then you can take your own advice and log off or not
makes no difference to me
He lied about the payment to the docs.
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hahaha follow him around he's in every post,to avoid him would be impossable
I'm pretty sure I ignore about 90% + of his posts
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if you have a problem with that then you can take your own advice and log off or not
makes no difference to me
One, I don't follow you around constantly like you do with him. But if I decide you're insane, I will stop engaging you. I'm still on the fence.
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We're not talking about him. We're talking about you. You just admitted again you think he's insane or a pathological liar, yet you still follow him around and try to change that. What does that say about you? I'm assuming you know that Insanity and pathological lying cannot be cured by countering posts on a message board.
Log off, or you're equally fucked up.
lol. You should post here more often.
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who's that
Rick Perry when asked about debates.
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He lied about the payment to the docs.
he got the dollar amount wrong
you lied that he said "doctors choose to ampute feet over treating patients"
why not just admit you lied or made an error
what's the big deal?
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he got the dollar amount wrong
you lied that he said "doctors choose to ampute feet over treating patients"
why not just admit you lied or made an error
what's the big deal?
He got it wrong? LMFAO - $50,000 as opposed to $1,500? that is not a mistake - that is a lie.
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He got it wrong? LMFAO - $50,000 as opposed to $1,500? that is not a mistake - that is a lie.
interesting how you refuse to admit your HUGE lie while pointing out a error (or if you'd like to call it a lie that's fine) in someone else
dude - in your defense the title of the youtube video is a lie as well and we all know you're not that bright so you really have an easy out here
it's interesting that you can't even admit an error when it's so blatant and easily provable
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interesting how you refuse to admit your HUGE lie while pointing out a error (or if you'd like to call it a lie that's fine) in someone else
dude - in your defense the title of the youtube video is a lie as well and we all know you're not that bright so you really have an easy out here
it's interesting that you can't even admit an error when it's so blatant and easily provable
If you take Obama's entire statement, coupled with his lie at the end on the dollar amount - its clear what he was inferring.
same as the tonsils lie he told.
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lol. You should post here more often.
Thank you, but Calvin H doesn't like his mods posting too much outside of their respective forums. Plus, ever since kiwi became a "mod" we've had tons of issues with e-board spillover that takes up most of our time.
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Thank you, but Calvin H doesn't like his mods posting too much outside of their respective forums. Plus, ever since kiwi became a "mod" we've had tons of issues with e-board spillover that takes up most of our time.
Tell Calvin to come on over too. :)
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If you take Obama's entire statement, coupled with his lie at the end on the dollar amount - its clear what he was inferring.
same as the tonsils lie he told.
I dont' see anything in the video where he says or infers that doctors "doctors choose to ampute feet over treating patients"
even in the second article you posted the author never refuted that statement...... and the reason why is because it didn't exist to refute
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I dont' see anything in the video where he says or infers that doctors "doctors choose to ampute feet over treating patients"
even in the second article you posted the author never refuted that statement...... and the reason why is because it didn't exist to refute
So that is the latest obama excuse? "He did not lie, he is just incompetent and doesnt know WTF he is talking about" ? ? ? ? ?
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So that is the latest obama excuse? "He did not lie, he is just incompetent and doesnt know WTF he is talking about" ? ? ? ? ?
is any factual inaccuracy a lie to you?
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is any factual inaccuracy a lie to you?
It would have been one thing for him to say 5k, 8k, NO he said 50K!!!!
Where did he get that from?
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It would have been one thing for him to say 5k, 8k, NO he said 50K!!!!
Where did he get that from?
beats me
where did you get this statement from
It's not in the video
why did you write it and attribute it to Obama?
He said doctors choose to ampute feet over treating patients because they get an immediate 35k. LIE
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beats me
where did you get this statement from
It's not in the video
why did you write it and attribute it to Obama?
Its the obvious inference he is making.
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Its the obvious inference he is making.
so a statement that doesn't exist in reality is the obvious inference that you see in your mind
I think we're back where we started
I honestly believe he has mental issues
could be organic or chemical related but something is clearly wrong with the dude
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Hey 333, why don't you ever answer questions about your behavior and lying when directed at you?
Seriously, I am curious to know why you act like you don't see people calling you out on your behavior. Is denial a survival mechanism for you?
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Obama Missteps on Foot Amputation Pay to Surgeons
Cheryl Clark, for HealthLeaders Media , August 14, 2009
At least three large physicians' groups, and many physician bloggers yesterday blasted President Obama for saying that a surgeon makes $30,000 to $50,000 to amputate the foot of a diabetic, while receiving a pittance to prevent the diabetes that necessitated the procedure in the first place.
That is wrong, said members of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons, the American College of Surgeons, and the California Medical Association. Numerous bloggers and pundits promptly pounced on his statements, some calling him "idiot-in-chief."
"The CMA wholeheartedly agrees with the President on the importance of prevention, but the examples he used were inaccurate and offensive and could undermine the trust central to the physician-patient relationship," said the California group, which represents about one-fourth of the state's 125,000 licensed doctors.
"President Obama got his facts completely wrong," according to a statement from the ACS, whose 74,000 members make it the largest organization of surgeons in the world.
"In fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation," sais ACS, which is care that includes evaluation of the patient the day of the operation and follow-up care that is provided for 90 days after the operation.
Private insurers pay a variation of the same amount, said the group, adding that it is "deeply disturbed" over the President's "uninformed public comments."
In fact, the cost of a foot amputation includes payment to the hospital for several days' stay, to an anesthesiologist and rehabilitation specialists, and for wound care after the surgery is over. But the surgeon doesn't charge those amounts. A 2007 article in the Journal of the American Podiatric Medical Association estimates the cost of a lower extremity amputation at $30,000 to $60,000, with an additional $43,000 to $60,000 for subsequent care for 3 years.
At a Town Hall meeting, in Portsmouth, N.H., on Wednesday, Obama said: "Let's take the example of something like diabetes . . . a disease that's skyrocketing, partly because of obesity, partly because it's not treated as effectively as it could be.
"Right now . . . if a family care physician works with his or her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether they're taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get reimbursed a pittance. But if that same diabetic ends up getting their foot amputated, that's 30,000, 40, 50,000 dollars immediately the surgeon is reimbursed.
"Well, why not make sure that we're also reimbursing the care that prevents the amputation. Right? That will save us money," said Obama.
Orthopedic physicians said they are "profoundly disappointed" with his comments, which had the effect of "blurring the realities of physician reimbursements."
"Surgeons are neither reimbursed by Medicare, nor any provider for that matter, for foot amputations at rates anywhere close to $50,000, $40,000 or even $30,000. Medicare reimbursements to physicians for foot amputations range from approximately $700 to $1,200."
The group said Obama mischaracterized the reimbursement system by saying physicians get paid "immediately," when Medicare payment delays are common.
"As President Obama continues to pursue the healthcare reform agenda, we implore him to disengage from hyperbole and acknowledge that healthcare delivery can only be improved by recognizing that healthcare is a system in which orthopedic surgeons play a crucial role. With $849 billion of our national economy impacted by musculoskeletal conditions, orthopaedic surgeons provide care that improves lives and puts people back to work."
The CMA added in its statement that it is "committed to reforming our health system to increase access to quality care and reduce rising healthcare costs." But, it continued, "The American people must be able to trust our elected officials and the statements they make regarding healthcare.
"We urge the President to stick to the facts and avoid the kind of misleading and inflammatory rhetoric that would erode the trust and derail our efforts to increase access to quality care and control rising healthcare costs."
The comments were particularly irritating to physicians who are still reeling from the President's recent suggestion that doctors perform many unnecessary tonsillectomies because they get paid more for doing those than for prescribing medications for what might really be wrong with the patient, such as an allergy.
In July, Obama made this statement at an address to the nation:
"Right now, doctors a lot of times are forced to make decisions based on the fee payment schedule that's out there. So if you come in and you've got a bad sore throat or your child has a bad sore throat or has repeated sore throats, the doctor may look at the reimbursement system, and say to himself, 'You know what? I make a lot more money if I take this kid's tonsils out.'
"Now that may be the right thing to do, but I'd rather have that doctor making those decisions just based on whether you really need your kid's tonsils out, or whether it might make more sense to change, maybe they have allergies or maybe they have something else that would make a difference."
One physician who was particularly annoyed with both Obama statements is Ted Mazer, MD, a San Diego ear, nose, and throat specialist.
"His inflammatory and inaccurate comments about physician payments serve the debate on health reform poorly," Mazer says. "He needs to lead the nation with facts, not attacks and misinformation."
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Cheryl Clark is a senior editor and California correspondent for HealthLeaders Media Online. She can be reached at cclark@healthleadersmedia.com. Follow Cheryl Clark on Twitter.
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http://www.healthleadersmedia.com/print/PHY-237492/Obama-Missteps-on-Foot-Amputation-Pay-to-Surgeons
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Obama Missteps on Foot Amputation Pay to Surgeons
Cheryl Clark, for HealthLeaders Media , August 14, 2009
At least three large physicians' groups, and many physician bloggers yesterday blasted President Obama for saying that a surgeon makes $30,000 to $50,000 to amputate the foot of a diabetic, while receiving a pittance to prevent the diabetes that necessitated the procedure in the first place.
That is wrong, said members of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons, the American College of Surgeons, and the California Medical Association. Numerous bloggers and pundits promptly pounced on his statements, some calling him "idiot-in-chief."
"The CMA wholeheartedly agrees with the President on the importance of prevention, but the examples he used were inaccurate and offensive and could undermine the trust central to the physician-patient relationship," said the California group, which represents about one-fourth of the state's 125,000 licensed doctors.
"President Obama got his facts completely wrong," according to a statement from the ACS, whose 74,000 members make it the largest organization of surgeons in the world.
"In fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation," sais ACS, which is care that includes evaluation of the patient the day of the operation and follow-up care that is provided for 90 days after the operation.
Private insurers pay a variation of the same amount, said the group, adding that it is "deeply disturbed" over the President's "uninformed public comments."
In fact, the cost of a foot amputation includes payment to the hospital for several days' stay, to an anesthesiologist and rehabilitation specialists, and for wound care after the surgery is over. But the surgeon doesn't charge those amounts. A 2007 article in the Journal of the American Podiatric Medical Association estimates the cost of a lower extremity amputation at $30,000 to $60,000, with an additional $43,000 to $60,000 for subsequent care for 3 years.
At a Town Hall meeting, in Portsmouth, N.H., on Wednesday, Obama said: "Let's take the example of something like diabetes . . . a disease that's skyrocketing, partly because of obesity, partly because it's not treated as effectively as it could be.
"Right now . . . if a family care physician works with his or her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether they're taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get reimbursed a pittance. But if that same diabetic ends up getting their foot amputated, that's 30,000, 40, 50,000 dollars immediately the surgeon is reimbursed.
"Well, why not make sure that we're also reimbursing the care that prevents the amputation. Right? That will save us money," said Obama.
Orthopedic physicians said they are "profoundly disappointed" with his comments, which had the effect of "blurring the realities of physician reimbursements."
"Surgeons are neither reimbursed by Medicare, nor any provider for that matter, for foot amputations at rates anywhere close to $50,000, $40,000 or even $30,000. Medicare reimbursements to physicians for foot amputations range from approximately $700 to $1,200."
The group said Obama mischaracterized the reimbursement system by saying physicians get paid "immediately," when Medicare payment delays are common.
"As President Obama continues to pursue the healthcare reform agenda, we implore him to disengage from hyperbole and acknowledge that healthcare delivery can only be improved by recognizing that healthcare is a system in which orthopedic surgeons play a crucial role. With $849 billion of our national economy impacted by musculoskeletal conditions, orthopaedic surgeons provide care that improves lives and puts people back to work."
The CMA added in its statement that it is "committed to reforming our health system to increase access to quality care and reduce rising healthcare costs." But, it continued, "The American people must be able to trust our elected officials and the statements they make regarding healthcare.
"We urge the President to stick to the facts and avoid the kind of misleading and inflammatory rhetoric that would erode the trust and derail our efforts to increase access to quality care and control rising healthcare costs."
The comments were particularly irritating to physicians who are still reeling from the President's recent suggestion that doctors perform many unnecessary tonsillectomies because they get paid more for doing those than for prescribing medications for what might really be wrong with the patient, such as an allergy.
In July, Obama made this statement at an address to the nation:
"Right now, doctors a lot of times are forced to make decisions based on the fee payment schedule that's out there. So if you come in and you've got a bad sore throat or your child has a bad sore throat or has repeated sore throats, the doctor may look at the reimbursement system, and say to himself, 'You know what? I make a lot more money if I take this kid's tonsils out.'
"Now that may be the right thing to do, but I'd rather have that doctor making those decisions just based on whether you really need your kid's tonsils out, or whether it might make more sense to change, maybe they have allergies or maybe they have something else that would make a difference."
One physician who was particularly annoyed with both Obama statements is Ted Mazer, MD, a San Diego ear, nose, and throat specialist.
"His inflammatory and inaccurate comments about physician payments serve the debate on health reform poorly," Mazer says. "He needs to lead the nation with facts, not attacks and misinformation."
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Cheryl Clark is a senior editor and California correspondent for HealthLeaders Media Online. She can be reached at cclark@healthleadersmedia.com. Follow Cheryl Clark on Twitter.
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http://www.healthleadersmedia.com/print/PHY-237492/Obama-Missteps-on-Foot-Amputation-Pay-to-Surgeons
interesting
I wonder why the author didn't address the quote by Obama that "doctors choose to ampute feet over treating patients"
that seems much more inflamtory then merely getting the amount or mechanism of payment wrong
333 - why do you think the author ignored that?
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RCP took away the same thing too
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August 11, 2009
Obama: Doctors May Choose Amputation Because Of Reimbursement
President Obama implied at his town hall that doctors may decide to amputate the feet of a diabetic patient instead of working on a diet routine with them because of the money they would be reimbursed.
To comment on this video click here or click the "Comments" link below.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/08/11/obama_doctors_may_choose_amputation_because_of_reimbursement.html
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RCP took away the same thing too
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August 11, 2009
Obama: Doctors May Choose Amputation Because Of Reimbursement
President Obama implied at his town hall that doctors may decide to amputate the feet of a diabetic patient instead of working on a diet routine with them because of the money they would be reimbursed.
To comment on this video click here or click the "Comments" link below.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/08/11/obama_doctors_may_choose_amputation_because_of_reimbursement.html
bfd
RCP is wrong just like you are
the title of the video is wrong
last week you made a claim about Elmendorf said the stimulus didn't create jobs and posted a video by Breitbart that had a title that was also wrong
just because other people share the same lie doesn't make it true
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LOL. I guess you and obama share a secret code language the rest of america does not grasp when he makes an ass of himself when off teleprompter.
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LOL. I guess you and obama share a secret code language the rest of america does not grasp when he makes an ass of himself when off teleprompter.
interesting you bring up secret code because I'm just listening to the actual words that he is saying
you're the one who has admitted "inferring" something that was never said so who is the one hearing a secret code
btw - did you even watch the video you posted by RCP
he says right in the beginning he is not dissing surgeons and in the end he says "why not make sure we that we're also reimbursing the care that prevents the amputation. That will save us money"
note the quotation marks
that's an actual quote
you can find it starting at ~ 1:10 on the video
see how that works
no need to infer anything or make up nonsense that he never said and pretend it's a quote
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Please - just cause he adds a qualifier before his bullshit lie, doesnt excuse the lie.
Again - this is supposed to be the smartest potus ever, the con law scholar, the highest IQ POTUS ever.
WO his scripted teleprompter fed drivel, he is a blithering moron at best.
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Please - just cause he adds a qualifier before his bullshit lie, doesnt excuse the lie.
Again - this is supposed to be the smartest potus ever, the con law scholar, the highest IQ POTUS ever.
WO his scripted teleprompter fed drivel, he is a blithering moron at best.
dude - what difference does it make what he says when you just choose to hear (infer) whatever you want
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dude - what difference does it make what he says when you just choose to hear (infer) whatever you want
Other than the beaten wives club that includes the likes of yourself , blacken, lurker, blackass, 240, chad, etc, its obvious what he was inferring.
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Other than the beaten wives club that includes the likes of yourself , blacken, lurker, blackass, 240, chad, etc, its obvious what he was inferring.
reality beats you on a daily basis
you simply make shit up
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We're not talking about him. We're talking about you. You just admitted again you think he's insane or a pathological liar, yet you still follow him around and try to change that. What does that say about you? I'm assuming you know that Insanity and pathological lying cannot be cured by countering posts on a message board.
Log off, or you're equally fucked up.
Lol, BOOOM.
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Lol, BOOOM.
I don't imagine I heard something and then challenge people if it's a lie or not
If I make a mistake I freely admit it
most (all other) people on this board are the same way
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Hey 333, why don't you ever answer questions about your behavior and lying when directed at you?
Seriously, I am curious to know why you act like you don't see people calling you out on your behavior. Is denial a survival mechanism for you?
Why no answer?
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Why no answer?
Bump for what you gay troll? Take Obama's entire statement and even RCP has the same intepretation of what he said that I did. He lied his ass off.
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Bump for what you gay troll? Take Obama's entire statement and even RCP has the same intepretation of what he said that I did. He lied his ass off.
I'm going to follow your example from now on and just infer whatever I want from anything you post and I'll even make up quotes and then pretend they are real
I assume you'll have no problem with that
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I'm going to follow your example from now on and just infer whatever I want from anything you post and I'll even make up quotes and then pretend they are real
I assume you'll have no problem with that
Post the video clip of whatever, your intrepretation and we can discuss it.
Seems even RCP, not some crazy RW site by far, had the same conclusion to his remarks that i did.
Maybe it is you and your BFF Licker who need to re-examine how you look at things.
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Post the video clip of whatever, your intrepretation and we can discuss it.
Seems even RCP, not some crazy RW site by far, had the same conclusion to his remarks that i did.
Maybe it is you and your BFF Licker who need to re-examine how you look at things.
what's BFF
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Post the video clip of whatever, your intrepretation and we can discuss it.
Seems even RCP, not some crazy RW site by far, had the same conclusion to his remarks that i did.
Maybe it is you and your BFF Licker who need to re-examine how you look at things.
what's the point of discussing it with you
frankly what's the point of even watching the clip
I'm just going to cut out the middleman and assume it says whatever I want it to say and I'll even just make up non-existent quotes and then insist that was the intent of the speaker
I assume you'll have no problem with this
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Post the video clip of whatever, your intrepretation and we can discuss it.
Seems even RCP, not some crazy RW site by far, had the same conclusion to his remarks that i did.
Maybe it is you and your BFF Licker who need to re-examine how you look at things.
per WIKI on RCP "They have described themselves as frustrated with what they perceive as anti-conservative, anti-Christian media bias". They are also owned by Forbes (51%)
I already told you that RW websites routinely lie to their dumbfounded reader and you guys just suck it up as fact without any critical thought
btw - none of that really matters since you can just find any video and infer whatever you'd like regardless of what is being said
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what's BFF
Best Friend Forever
or
Blacken Fucks Fatties
Blacken is a Fat Fuck
Blacken is a...well you get the point.