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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: MB_722 on November 09, 2011, 09:14:22 PM
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Hey so whats the GB consensus on Mike Mahler, Biotest, TNation
so far via search ... biotest and tnation are a bunch of snake oil salesmen correct?
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Mahler is a solid trainer, haven't heard anything bad about him. 99% of supplement advice is bullshit. Testosterone is a leader in the bullshiting field. The Training advice ranges from excellent to crap. The better authors usually don't stick around long.
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Biotest TNation = huge fraud, I cant beleive these guys actualy print the shit they do.. utter crap and rubbish.. all these fellows are enhanced on drugs but claim clean and its there overpriced snake oil that makes themn look so good . fuckers
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Biotest TNation = huge fraud, I cant beleive these guys actualy print the shit they do.. utter crap and rubbish.. all these fellows are enhanced on drugs but claim clean and its there overpriced snake oil that makes themn look so good . fuckers
Well said...agree 100%
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Biotest TNation = huge fraud, I cant beleive these guys actualy print the shit they do.. utter crap and rubbish.. all these fellows are enhanced on drugs but claim clean and its there overpriced snake oil that makes themn look so good . fuckers
look so good? do you remember the pics years ago of tc luoma, tim "iggy pop" patterson, etc? ;D
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Mentzer stated this about T-nation back in 1999. Even if you think Mike was insane, still rings true.
"then I set about rapidly perusing Testosterone's information. Antithetical to say the least, the polar opposite of all of my convictions and values; its content resolutely anti-philosophic, motivated by a sophomoric enthusiasm in its literally incessant stream of vile obscenities, scatological innuendoes, scrofulous references and malignant sarcasm; all in the name, as Mr. Patterson proclaims, of modern entertainment. The Testosterone Web site is making every effort, it seems, to eclipse the low-grade mentality expressive of a cheap, third-rate tabloid; and it is succeeding."
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Mentzer stated this about T-nation back in 1999. Even if you think Mike was insane, still rings true.
"then I set about rapidly perusing Testosterone's information. Antithetical to say the least, the polar opposite of all of my convictions and values; its content resolutely anti-philosophic, motivated by a sophomoric enthusiasm in its literally incessant stream of vile obscenities, scatological innuendoes, scrofulous references and malignant sarcasm; all in the name, as Mr. Patterson proclaims, of modern entertainment. The Testosterone Web site is making every effort, it seems, to eclipse the low-grade mentality expressive of a cheap, third-rate tabloid; and it is succeeding."
Where did you get this quote from?
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Where did you get this quote from?
It's on his website and was in the magazines about 11-12 years ago. A few months before Testosterone had published a fake satirical interview with Mentzer in the first or second issue, this was his response-
"Approximately one-and a-half years ago, I received a phone call from a prominent HIT advocate informing me of a new Web site going by the name “Testosterone. . .muscle with attitude.” My informant was all but in a state of shock, as Testosterone, he reported, was promulgating a philosophy that was antithetical to mine; but doing so whilst utilizing the services of Ellington Darden, Ph.D., and a friend of mine for over 20 years, Tim Patterson. As Ellington and Tim had long been two of the most stalwart proponents of high-intensity training, each having worked closely with Arthur Jones for years, I wasn’t merely stunned by the news – I was literally incredulous. Believing such infidelity impossible, I decided to check the veracity of my source, and immediately went to the computer and pulled up Testosterone.
The first thing I observed was Ellington’s and Tim’s names on the masthead (Tim, as it turns out, is the owner and publisher of Testosterone); then I set about rapidly perusing Testosterone’s information. Antithetical to say the least, the polar opposite of all of my convictions and values; its content resolutely anti-philosophic, motivated by a sophomoric enthusiasm in its literally incessant stream of vile obscenities, scatological innuendoes, scrofulous references and malignant sarcasm; all in the name, as Mr. Patterson proclaims, of modern entertainment. The Testosterone Web site is making every effort, it seems, to eclipse the low-grade mentality expressive of a cheap, third-rate tabloid; and it is succeeding.
I was somewhat surprised that Ellington and Tim would align themselves with such, as both had strong moral upbringings, albeit mystic, i.e., religious. (I clearly recall the time – 18 years ago – when Tim, while visiting my home, was in the midst of a very intense spiritual crisis, and spent hours alone in his bedroom studying the Bible.) I say “somewhat surprised” because few religious mystics make any consistent effort to adhere to their ethical values, as religion, being devoid of reason, makes the living up to its ideals literally impossible. (Presumably owing to the pressure Mr. Darden incurred from his long-time friends and associates in the HIT movement, he left Testosterone soon after its inception.)
Given the continuous erosion of our culture’s values, Mr. Patterson’s embrace of a vicious, man-hating philosophy is at least understandable. (Few, very few, only those committed to reason, can fully escape the modern descent into the maelstrom of irrationality.) More difficult to fathom is his spurning of the science he had learned from Arthur Jones, using Testosterone as a forum to promulgate that grab-bag of unscientific training notions held by the explicitly anti-philosophical Charles Poliquin.
Having had all I could stomach – my capacity for intellectual slumming being limited – I shut down the computer and placed a call to Mr. Patterson. The “conversation” was brief, to the point. Not allowing him to get a word in edge-wise, I told the publisher of “T”, essentially, that any one who could reject his life-long convictions and – for no good reason – embrace their opposite was no friend of mine; whereupon, I hung up.
Mr. Patterson informed me in a subsequent phone call, prompted by a desire to patch up our friendship and rationalize his renunciation of values, that while he didn’t believe in everything appearing on Testosterone, it was receiving over one million hits a month; then implied that I was receiving nowhere near that many – which is true. I am not on this earth to win a popularity contest. I refuse to abandon rational values in order to “appeal to the masses,” as both Tim Patterson and Joe Weider told me, on separate occasions, is their goal. In doing just that these two individuals have relinquished their personal sovereignty and become slaves of the people…
Mr. Patterson was wrong, however, when he suggested, during that follow-up phone call, that my past 20 years of effort have been a waste of time. My efforts to educate people have changed the lives of tens of thousands for the better." .
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IMO, the the training articles on T-Nation are usually good. Eric Cressey and Mike Robertson are very knowledgeable. Their articles are not really geared towards bodybuilding, but more towards sports performance. I have purchased some the material put out by both, and the analysis they provide is thorough. A real plus is they will actually provide citations for sources, unlike most bodybuilding and sports performance articles/publications.
I'm not sure what the site was like 12 years ago, as in Mentzer's references. Any thing printed or spoken by the Mentzer's should not be taken as bible. They were both drug addicts, hypocrites, and riddled with mental issues.
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IMO, the the training articles on T-Nation are usually good. Eric Cressey and Mike Robertson are very knowledgeable. Their articles are not really geared towards bodybuilding, but more towards sports performance. I have purchased some the material put out by both, and the analysis they provide is thorough. A real plus is they will actually provide citations for sources, unlike most bodybuilding and sports performance articles/publications.
I'm not sure what the site was like 12 years ago, as in Mentzer's references. Any thing printed or spoken by the Mentzer's should not be taken as bible. They were both drug addicts, hypocrites, and riddled with mental issues.
I'm not sure how many remember it, but Testosterone years ago was basically a Muscle Media 2000 Clone, after MM published the "Goldfinger" issue, and became more of a general fitness magazine, Testosterone formed with many of the old MM 2000 writers and other younger writers from the industry.
Here's that old Mentzer article- http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_interviews/an_interview_with_mike_mentzer .
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Mentzer stated this about T-nation back in 1999. Even if you think Mike was insane, still rings true.
"then I set about rapidly perusing Testosterone's information. Antithetical to say the least, the polar opposite of all of my convictions and values; its content resolutely anti-philosophic, motivated by a sophomoric enthusiasm in its literally incessant stream of vile obscenities, scatological innuendoes, scrofulous references and malignant sarcasm; all in the name, as Mr. Patterson proclaims, of modern entertainment. The Testosterone Web site is making every effort, it seems, to eclipse the low-grade mentality expressive of a cheap, third-rate tabloid; and it is succeeding."
Sounds like one of Reeves posts!! LOL ;D
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Sounds like one of Reeves posts!! LOL ;D
Thanks. I think! ;D ;D I am something of a fan of Mentzer, albeit mostly the earlier years. He was no genius, but above average to be sure.
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I had to go there brother.............sorr y!! :)
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I had to go there brother.............sorr y!! :)
No worries and I really am somewhat flattered. I admire some of Mentzers ideas on training. The philosophical road is where I continue going straight and Mike hangs a quick one off a cliff. I was very sorry when he and his brother died so young. I think his former girlfriend (Cathy?) is now married to Clint Beyerle. He was a great one back in the mid 70s.
To the WayBack Machine©!!!!! ;D
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Rumor has it that Mike and Ray were entangled together in a torrid, incest driven, fraternal relationship. When Mike passed his lover and brother Ray curtailed his dialysis, effectively committing suicide.
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Rumor has it that Mike and Ray were entagled together in a torrid, incest driven, fraternal relationship. When Mike passed his lover and brother Ray curtailed his dialysis, effectively committing suicide.
Yeah? And there was a rumor going around Getbig that you weren't fit to fuck pigs. Don't worry, champ. I stuck up for you. I said you were. And then I told the guys here not to make fun of your interspecies family.
You may now resume makin' bacon, you inconsequential smegma-based lifeform. You brought this on yourself, assclown. FTN.
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ok. ... I like Eric Cressey and Mike Robertson too.
what about Carl Lenore, who the fuck is this guy?... I listen to superhumanradio. started listening again after 5months
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I bought a product like 8 years ago called mag 10.. It was supposed to be testosterone clone... Hyped to the max... Bought it cuz of 100% guarantee... Well when I didn't feel shit,they tried to weasel out of$299 refund... Scum bags
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Mentzer stated this about T-nation back in 1999. Even if you think Mike was insane, still rings true.
"then I set about rapidly perusing Testosterone's information. Antithetical to say the least, the polar opposite of all of my convictions and values; its content resolutely anti-philosophic, motivated by a sophomoric enthusiasm in its literally incessant stream of vile obscenities, scatological innuendoes, scrofulous references and malignant sarcasm; all in the name, as Mr. Patterson proclaims, of modern entertainment. The Testosterone Web site is making every effort, it seems, to eclipse the low-grade mentality expressive of a cheap, third-rate tabloid; and it is succeeding."
Sounds like a True Adonis quote
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I bought a product like 8 years ago called mag 10.. It was supposed to be testosterone clone... Hyped to the max... Bought it cuz of 100% guarantee... Well when I didn't feel shit,they tried to weasel out of$299 refund... Scum bags
299 bucks? Damn bro. Why not just get use the $300 and get 60 mls of 200 mg test?
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Yeah? And there was a rumor going around Getbig that you weren't fit to fuck pigs. Don't worry, champ. I stuck up for you. I said you were. And then I told the guys here not to make fun of your interspecies family.
You may now resume makin' bacon, you inconsequential smegma-based lifeform. You brought this on yourself, assclown. FTN.
LMAO !!!
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299 bucks? Damn bro. Why not just get use the $300 and get 60 mls of 200 mg test?
No shit! That was bs " before steroids" I tried to be legit back then
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Hey so whats the GB consensus on Mike Mahler, Biotest, TNation
so far via search ... biotest and tnation are a bunch of snake oil salesmen correct?
t-nation is just bullshit...scammers and con men
scam young kids and not so young idiots who believe in their bullshit
terrible site with that canadian liar selling his soul