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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: NYmuscle on November 21, 2011, 08:08:30 AM
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Whats your though of a 19 yo staying on?Ill be 20 in a few months and im very serious about bodybuilding,I just competed at my first show as a teen and want to take a full year off and mutate.I wanna be a freak and i wanna compete.I train hard and smart my diet is spot on and my funds goes to bodybuilding.Gh15 also told me i have good structure so that's another plus
ran test-e with dbol kickstart for 12 weeks then into contest prep ran prop,tren,winny
So been on for about 6months now im cruising on 250mg prop till i get my legit hormones to use from now on
Thoughts?
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Is your dream in life to be a pro bodybuilder? Are the risks outweighed by the benefits? Do you want to have kids? Will you be monitering your health...these are all questions you need to ask yourself...i personally think its a bad idea and you most likely will pay for it somewhere down the line if you go on and dont come off...just make sure you educate yourself..some people can get away with staying on and others run into problems
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Is your dream in life to be a pro bodybuilder? Are the risks outweighed by the benefits? Do you want to have kids? Will you be monitering your health...these are all questions you need to ask yourself...i personally think its a bad idea and you most likely will pay for it somewhere down the line if you go on and dont come off...just make sure you educate yourself..some people can get away with staying on and others run into problems
thanks for the reply,yes this is what i wanna do and i though long and hard about it,Ill monitor my health to best of my ability getting blood work often,taking liver supps,fish oil,coq 10,multi,etc anything to keep my health in check.Some say it might be a silly dream to become a pro but im will to do whatever it takes and i honestly believe if u put your mind to it you can do anything you want
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Its a huge commitment. Im 21 and I stay on low dose test but I also monitor my health and know for a fact that I dont not want to bring children into this crazy ass world. Just think about it for a little while bud best of luck
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NY I'm going to give you another dose of reality in the hopes that this time you will listen. Do people get on the sauce at your age and younger and stay "on" permanently? Sure they do. But look at who these people might be, let's look at some pro bb. Go find some pics of Jay Cutler when he was 19, Steve Kuclo, Branch Warren, hell even Arnold. Do you look ANYTHING like these guys? At that young age all of those guys looked like pro's in the making.
I saw your contest pics, your before pics etc. HONESTLY, very SERIOUSLY, you still look like someone who has barely ever touched a weight! I do NOT say this to belittle you, I'm merely trying to give you a dose of reality! If you go on the sauce now and forever you will most likely NOT be able to have kids, or a succesful relationship with a normal woman(because you can't hide this shit forever, and most normal, attractive and educated women are not going to tolerate you using steroids whether that is wrong or right it's truth.)
And you will probably significantly add to the chance that you will have a heart attack or stroke. These are risks that someone may be willing to take if they feel they have the stuff to be a pro. But I gotta be honest here, this is the thunderdome, YOU DO NOT HAVE IT. The physique you have now? I blew that out of the water at your age and never touched a steroid at that point. And I wasn't and am not now SHIT.
Think about this really hard and do the RIGHT thing for YOU. But please please please take this seriously.
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You're making a huge mistake staying on for the rest of your life starting at 19! Do two 12-14 week cycles a year that is plenty! You want to be dependant on chemicals the rest of your life? You should be enjoying life at 19! 18-25 should be some of the best years of your life.
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You're making a huge mistake staying on for the rest of your life starting at 19! Do two 12-14 week cycles a year that is plenty! You want to be dependant on chemicals the rest of your life? You should be enjoying life at 19! 18-25 should be some of the best years of your life.
For real. You should be worried about two things at 19: college and chasing tail. Set yourself up for success later on in life. You'll be able to afford the GH and mega cycles with a good job.
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Ok, fist you don't have to stay on since 19 to be a pro bodybuilder, all that is bullshit.. Nowadays with Hormone you can be a pro in no times...
I did start young and I regret it so much.. Now your 19 and you think being a pro bodybuilder is so cool, look Jason cutler wawoo he has everything you want but trust me there are not many Jason cutler.. And how many sacrifice did he did..
If I were you I would wait a bit before staying on.. Life change with years, dreams too..
Here on the internet, everyone make steroids, hormones looks easy to take with no risk.. Everyone seems to love it, but they ll pay the price someday all of them.. And behind all these you have Gh15, a drug dealer not even a pro and he is the only one that make money in this game...
Take care, I wrote all that and thats funny cuz I already know what you are gonna do..
Hope my english is ok..
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The hard facts are you have one in million chance of actually making decent money in bodybuilding. Like I said limit yourself to a couple cycles a year. Take plenty of time off inbetween. 19 is to young to begin with. You should of waited until you're at least 21-22.
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why are you going to waste people's time asking questions like this, when your gonna do what you want anyways? Jesus christ dude just don't be stupid and you will be ok! By stupid I mean listening to your body. When your skin looks yellow you need to come off orals when you feel tired maybe it's a sign of kidney stress, watch the blood pressure, and eat healthy. Also I don't think staying on year round is necessary, just makes no sense. 9 months out of the year vs 12 months out of year will go along ways with the health. remember when flex got in that car accident and people were no longer calling him Flex anymore they starting calling him Kenny cause he melted away to nothing? Within a few months he was right there again lean and huge, and eventually went on to surpass his former self. Disgusted thinks you should come off now and then as well..
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no way in hell you should be on at 19! you have plenty of natural years left to grow!
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no way in hell you should be on at 19! you have plenty of natural years left to grow!
lol I'm 19 and already on hrt :D
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^ lol wtf
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Is your dream in life to be a pro bodybuilder? Are the risks outweighed by the benefits? Do you want to have kids? Will you be monitering your health...these are all questions you need to ask yourself...i personally think its a bad idea and you most likely will pay for it somewhere down the line if you go on and dont come off...just make sure you educate yourself..some people can get away with staying on and others run into problems
No it's the AAS boards bullshit questions that are useless!
you should ask yourself if you had any previous health issues - any, if you have any health issues running in the family?
do you have legit source to count on?
do you care to inject yourself in following years almost everyday several times a day ?
do you have the money to spend on it?
do you aware that you will stay on at least amp of test for the rest of your life just to function like anyone else ?
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I'm 18 and on 150 mg trenbolone EOD and soon thanktropin. Fuck what everyone else says, I want to be big and I want to be big NOW! I won't be a pro, I don't want to be, I just want to have a jaw-dropping physique by the time I'm 23. 8)
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That damn gh15 ;D
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I merely use "sports technology drugs" to tweak my already advanced natural physique. ;D
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I merely use "sports technology drugs" to tweak my already advanced natural physique. ;D
If I was doing "sport technology" kind of drugs in my teens I probably would've stayed out of a load of trouble. So I can't say this is a bad thing. Not Ideal but I guess it could be worse.
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If I was doing "sport technology" kind of drugs in my teens I probably would've stayed out of a load of trouble. So I can't say this is a bad thing. Not Ideal but I guess it could be worse.
Yeah, I don't drink or do any other drugs (except shrooms/weed a few weeks ago) and I don't eat any of that disgustingly unhealthy fast food shit people love so much, so I'll be fine. :)
As long as you're not a total mong, gear at a young age is definitely not a bad thing. Good luck, OP.
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MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT....IF UR GOAL IS TO BE FUCKING BIG UR GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME PRETTY BIG FUCKING THINGS.
IVE BEEN SINCE ABOUT 3-4 MONTHS AFTER I TURNED 20. IM TURNING 21 VERY SOON. MY GOAL IS TO BE BIG, LIKE ALL THE WAY BIG. NEVER COMPETE, BUT COME IN WITH SOME SERIOUS SIZE.
THIS IS THE PRIME AGE TO USE THESE COMPOUNDS TO GET THE BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. IF U HAVE MY GOALS UD RAMP UP THE AAS DOSAGES INCREMENTALLY TILL UR 22 THEN BRING THAT AAS DOWN AND INTRODUCE GH TO START THE MUTATION PROCESSES. I WISH I COULD GO BACK WHEN I WAS 18.5 OR 19 TO GET ON THIS TRAIN. HONESTLY FROM YEAR 3 TO YEAR 4 OF TRAINING I GAINED LESS THAN I DID OFF MY FIRST CYCLE WHICH WAS 1 AMP OF NORMA HELLAS A WEEK FOR 10 FUCKING WEEKS.
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Lots of young kids wanting to be big... But does anyone care about having normal testosterone without having to inject themselves?
If you go on, at least go on while using a SERM, AI, possibly dopamine agonists, and HCG so you can come off and not have to "medicate." And make sure you have periodic health check-ups... since steroids can POTENTIALLY damage your health. Check things like blood pressure, hemoglobin, etc.
You can do it, just do it the right way.
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your biggest concern need not be the steroids themselves, but the quality of the steroids. Make no mistake about it, every ugl or chinese generic gh you use IS risking your health..to be a pro you will need to use many ugl products, no doubt about..Too much or too little BA, these chinese powders contaminated with metals and shit. Fuck I hate using ugl's. .no pro uses human grade for everything and every product...so at the end of the day unless you get blood work done reguarly and purchase all your products directly from the pharmacy, your still rolling the dice.
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19 is an age where you are as old as you are young... get it?
Seriously though, if you need to post on an online forum looking for reassurance about a life decision, maybe you need to reconsider making that life decision.
Lastly, keep in mind, as with anything, the younger you start anything, generally the better. Unfortunately in America we have this mentality of certain ages for doing certain things. The mentality of living it up and partying from 18-25 is the same reason why most people don't have a solid career and a good bank account with savings by the time they're 30. Also, most people 18-25 don't truly have it on the inside to dedicate themselves to something so diligently.
If you are serious about this... really serious... fuck what I'm saying and what anyone else here tells you. Go do your own reading, research, and make your own decisions. Don't be lazy about a single aspect of what you are about to do and go balls to the wall and do it. It's your life bro.
Remember though, the way you feel and think about things will change quite a bit as the years go by. Just think about when you were 14, did you want the same things now that you are 19? When you're 25 you'll feel differently about things and when you're 30 you will feel differently.
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19 is an age where you are as old as you are young... get it?
Seriously though, if you need to post on an online forum looking for reassurance about a life decision, maybe you need to reconsider making that life decision.
Lastly, keep in mind, as with anything, the younger you start anything, generally the better. Unfortunately in America we have this mentality of certain ages for doing certain things. The mentality of living it up and partying from 18-25 is the same reason why most people don't have a solid career and a good bank account with savings by the time they're 30. Also, most people 18-25 don't truly have it on the inside to dedicate themselves to something so diligently.
If you are serious about this... really serious... fuck what I'm saying and what anyone else here tells you. Go do your own reading, research, and make your own decisions. Don't be lazy about a single aspect of what you are about to do and go balls to the wall and do it. It's your life bro.
Remember though, the way you feel and think about things will change quite a bit as the years go by. Just think about when you were 14, did you want the same things now that you are 19? When you're 25 you'll feel differently about things and when you're 30 you will feel differently.
On phone cant quote everyone but your right im gonna do what im gonna do like i always done,Im gonna stay on so i should of made a thread titled staying on any at 19 any tips?or something like that
Ive done my research,i have the dedication,i have the funds,i know i have good structure,and i just got my hands legit hormones,and im not gonna be stupid about this
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listen, yes there are health risks to super high doses, but same time how many people eat fast food everyday? how many people eat like shit throughout the day, sugars, processed foods, pop all day long, hardly any water, rec drugs, booze 3-4 times a week and NOT only a few drinks, i mean I can name so many more things worse than steroids. I have been on for many years, get blood tests and not once have I had anything negative come back. When the doc asked me if Im worried about the sides, i was thinking here we go again lol but the sides she referred to were gyno, low sperm count, NOT HEART ATTACKS, STROKES, DEATH...not saying that cant happen, it can happen to the people not juicing BUT you need to monitor health 2-3 times a year, take some break where you at least cruise on low dose, use HCG throughout cycles, take few months off a year for blood test purposes. Like said above, listen to your body, know the warning signs that you can get from them. eat plenty of fruits, veggies, dont overboard on red meat, eat a good amount of omega 3's since those lack in our diets, oatmeal for cholesterol, just be healthy with your foods. Anyone here can say dont do it but we all know youre probably going to, its your own life but being big isnt worth not seeing your kids grow up, or experiencing the retired good life when its all said and done. Live smart and healthy
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On phone cant quote everyone but your right im gonna do what im gonna do like i always done,Im gonna stay on so i should of made a thread titled staying on any at 19 any tips?or something like that
Ive done my research,i have the dedication,i have the funds,i know i have good structure,and i just got my hands legit hormones,and im not gonna be stupid about this
Sounds to me like you know the answer then bro. Just remember, if you are going to be successful at ANYTHING in life, it is going to take major risk! Whether it be a health risk, a financial risk, or other, there will be risk involved. You also have to accept that you may do everything pefectly and still fail to achieve your goals! When you can really grasp these concepts and understand what it really takes to seperate yourself from the pack, then you're on the right track.
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This thread is now worthless without pics for the Thunderdome...
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listen, yes there are health risks to super high doses, but same time how many people eat fast food everyday? how many people eat like shit throughout the day, sugars, processed foods, pop all day long, hardly any water, rec drugs, booze 3-4 times a week and NOT only a few drinks, i mean I can name so many more things worse than steroids. I have been on for many years, get blood tests and not once have I had anything negative come back. When the doc asked me if Im worried about the sides, i was thinking here we go again lol but the sides she referred to were gyno, low sperm count, NOT HEART ATTACKS, STROKES, DEATH...not saying that cant happen, it can happen to the people not juicing BUT you need to monitor health 2-3 times a year, take some break where you at least cruise on low dose, use HCG throughout cycles, take few months off a year for blood test purposes. Like said above, listen to your body, know the warning signs that you can get from them. eat plenty of fruits, veggies, dont overboard on red meat, eat a good amount of omega 3's since those lack in our diets, oatmeal for cholesterol, just be healthy with your foods. Anyone here can say dont do it but we all know youre probably going to, its your own life but being big isnt worth not seeing your kids grow up, or experiencing the retired good life when its all said and done. Live smart and healthy
thanks man will do,Health first
Sounds to me like you know the answer then bro. Just remember, if you are going to be successful at ANYTHING in life, it is going to take major risk! Whether it be a health risk, a financial risk, or other, there will be risk involved. You also have to accept that you may do everything pefectly and still fail to achieve your goals! When you can really grasp these concepts and understand what it really takes to seperate yourself from the pack, then you're on the right track.
Thanks man im willing to take the risk and give all i got
This thread is now worthless without pics for the Thunderdome...
Here 2 pics before after,Ive been researching diet/training year but did not put it really into effect until this last year or so.My only REAL bulk was 6months,Ill repeat ive only really dedicated 6months to put on muscle all the other time i was losing fat over and over because i wasn't dedicated to my diet so all the time i did bulk were wasted because i got fat,Now its a different story
This is the thuderdome so im gonna tore apart either way not changing nothing i know that im dedicated now i can turn into a freak and pack on quality muscle
Before
Summer 2009
Weight: 225 lbs
Waist: 38"
http://i40.tinypic.com/23mto9l.jpg
After
Nov 12th 2011
Weight-187
Waist-32 1/2
http://i.imgur.com/VdXZX.jpg
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theres nothing wrong with that physique.
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19 is an age where you are as old as you are young... get it?
Seriously though, if you need to post on an online forum looking for reassurance about a life decision, maybe you need to reconsider making that life decision.
Lastly, keep in mind, as with anything, the younger you start anything, generally the better. Unfortunately in America we have this mentality of certain ages for doing certain things. The mentality of living it up and partying from 18-25 is the same reason why most people don't have a solid career and a good bank account with savings by the time they're 30. Also, most people 18-25 don't truly have it on the inside to dedicate themselves to something so diligently.
If you are serious about this... really serious... fuck what I'm saying and what anyone else here tells you. Go do your own reading, research, and make your own decisions. Don't be lazy about a single aspect of what you are about to do and go balls to the wall and do it. It's your life bro.
Remember though, the way you feel and think about things will change quite a bit as the years go by. Just think about when you were 14, did you want the same things now that you are 19? When you're 25 you'll feel differently about things and when you're 30 you will feel differently.
This is thr post of the year. Should be a Sticky. Absolutely nailed it from a wise POV.
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For all you warriors who want to be huge but not compete, know this: you're giving up at least 20% of your max potential for development by skipping the rigors of a true contest prep.
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For all you warriors who want to be huge but not compete, know this: you're giving up at least 20% of your max potential for development by skipping the rigors of a true contest prep.
Why do you say that?
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Sounds to me like you know the answer then bro. Just remember, if you are going to be successful at ANYTHING in life, it is going to take major risk! Whether it be a health risk, a financial risk, or other, there will be risk involved. You also have to accept that you may do everything pefectly and still fail to achieve your goals! When you can really grasp these concepts and understand what it really takes to seperate yourself from the pack, then you're on the right track.
WORD. YOU THINK CHRISTIAN BOEVING WENT ON A FORUM TO ASK IF HE SHOULD START TAKING STEROIDS SO HE CAN BE A FITNESS MODEL. BUNCH OF PEOPLE PREACHING ONE WAY....THAT WAY THAT DIDNT GET THEM THERE AND CERTAINLY WONT GET YOU THERE.
ALL THE BIG GUYS STARTED YOUNG AND USED BIG. THERES NO WAY AROUND IT. JUST MAKE SURE UR GEAR AND GH IS TOP QUALITY.
DONT ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT DOING IT, JUST ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW ITS GOING.
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Why do you say that?
Because the post-contest gains are immense, just look at Rearden's offseason thread.
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Why do you say that?
Because the leaner you get, the more muscle you can gain without upending the balance between your bodys ability to store food as energy vs fat.
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While I'm not crazy about someone this age supplementing to begin with I'm definitely not crazy about you staying on non-stop. To begin there's simply no need and you can guarantee you're going to cause some stress to your body. Even at an older age it can be stressful to the body but at this age it's just unwarranted.
All that said, do what you need to do but something else you said comes to mind. You said you were going to take a full year off to build and then compete again later on....I'm not a fan of this idea. A lot of guys take a full year off and have a year long off-season expecting to grow ridiculously and it almost never works like that. I don't care who you are, in that year you will inevitably hit a wall. The best time to grow, the absolute best time is after a diet. If you do a show, feel good and want to keep training, that can be OK. Personally I prefer a little time off and then to hit it hard. In either case you'll grow like crazy and the right way....meaning tissue, not fat.
Most guys who bulk for a year almost always gain extra fat and they almost never make the improvements they thought they were going to make.
The only time you should take a year off from competing is if you have an injury or if you simply need a break from the lifestyle for whatever reason. Obviously I'm talking about serious competitors.
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Because the leaner you get, the more muscle you can gain without upending the balance between your bodys ability to store food as energy vs fat.
While I'm not crazy about someone this age supplementing to begin with I'm definitely not crazy about you staying on non-stop. To begin there's simply no need and you can guarantee you're going to cause some stress to your body. Even at an older age it can be stressful to the body but at this age it's just unwarranted.
All that said, do what you need to do but something else you said comes to mind. You said you were going to take a full year off to build and then compete again later on....I'm not a fan of this idea. A lot of guys take a full year off and have a year long off-season expecting to grow ridiculously and it almost never works like that. I don't care who you are, in that year you will inevitably hit a wall. The best time to grow, the absolute best time is after a diet. If you do a show, feel good and want to keep training, that can be OK. Personally I prefer a little time off and then to hit it hard. In either case you'll grow like crazy and the right way....meaning tissue, not fat.
Most guys who bulk for a year almost always gain extra fat and they almost never make the improvements they thought they were going to make.
The only time you should take a year off from competing is if you have an injury or if you simply need a break from the lifestyle for whatever reason. Obviously I'm talking about serious competitors.
Well i just finished competing last week were i was on as low as 1200 cals,I pigged out for 4 days then got back on my diet and this mon i just got back in the gym,So far my strength is low and im still holding water unfortunately i hold majority of my fat in my midsection so it sucks,How long is the window for these gains if there is a window?im cruising on prop rite now and im gonna be blasting with sust and deca in 2 weeks maybe an oral with it like anadrol
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While I'm not crazy about someone this age supplementing to begin with I'm definitely not crazy about you staying on non-stop. To begin there's simply no need and you can guarantee you're going to cause some stress to your body. Even at an older age it can be stressful to the body but at this age it's just unwarranted.
All that said, do what you need to do but something else you said comes to mind. You said you were going to take a full year off to build and then compete again later on....I'm not a fan of this idea. A lot of guys take a full year off and have a year long off-season expecting to grow ridiculously and it almost never works like that. I don't care who you are, in that year you will inevitably hit a wall. The best time to grow, the absolute best time is after a diet. If you do a show, feel good and want to keep training, that can be OK. Personally I prefer a little time off and then to hit it hard. In either case you'll grow like crazy and the right way....meaning tissue, not fat.
Most guys who bulk for a year almost always gain extra fat and they almost never make the improvements they thought they were going to make.
The only time you should take a year off from competing is if you have an injury or if you simply need a break from the lifestyle for whatever reason. Obviously I'm talking about serious competitors.
informative post. I was once told the same thing by a NPC comeptitor on another board, that bulking should be short and powerful. High doses for short periods of time>moderate doses for long periods of time when it comes to bulking.
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informative post. I was once told the same thing by a NPC comeptitor on another board, that bulking should be short and powerful. High doses for short periods of time>moderate doses for long periods of time when it comes to bulking.
WHAT CONSTITUTES SHORT PERIODS AND LONG PERIODS?
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u do grow insane after a prep,,, your at your peak time of getting injured too!!!
regarding young guys staying on,,, hit it hard if you want, do your all to win a top level comp as a jnr,, if after your efforts you dont win, keep it as a hobby.... play it safe and look after your self
im sure all the guys here whove competed will agree that you can tell who will rise to the top, they stand out a mile compared to everyone else and if your not delusional you know that altho you look good, you can never be at same level...
it takes more then drug abuse, takes good structure and great genes too ( genes for muscle shape, response to gear etc ), atho half the board like to think otherwise
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For all you warriors who want to be huge but not compete, know this: you're giving up at least 20% of your max potential for development by skipping the rigors of a true contest prep.
I AGREE...BUT IT WONT MEAN ME PERMABULKING.
ITD BE 16 WEEKS BULKING STAY BELOW 9% IDEALLY, 5 WEEKS MINI DIETING TO GET THE WATER OFF BACK AROUND 7.5-8%, 16 WEEKS BULKING STAY BELOW 10%, 15 WEEKS DIETING GETTING AT ABOUT 5 PERCENT. AND IN BULK MODE I NEVER REALLY TRULY GET FAT, I DONT OVER EAT I DO MAKE MY BODY CRAVE MORE FOOD THOUGH. :D
EVERY YEAR ILL KEEP UPPING THE DOSE. JUST WONDERING IF I SHOULD ADD GH IN OR WAIT A YEAR OR TWO...I KNOW ILL NEED IT FOR DIETING ONCE I GET BACK FROM INJURY CAUSE IM GETTING SMALLER BY THE WEEK.... :D
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WHAT CONSTITUTES SHORT PERIODS AND LONG PERIODS?
Short periods I mean 10-12 weeks bulking cycles in very high doses..compared to the typical 4-6 month offseason with moderate doses that most do. It was Big Nick on OLM who talked about this guy is a monster Im sure you know who I'm talking about, he said you'll never get anywhere bulking for extended periods of time like that. Didn't make sense to me but who am I to argue with him.
Now I think he's right that I think about it, look at all the freaks who are in their early twenties carrying insane size at young ages like Kuclo. Steve did a ton of competitions, competing a couple times a year every year since he was a teen. would he be as big now if he had bulked the whole time and never stepped on stage? I think Rearden may have a point about wasting your potential by not competing. Still no way I would step on stage my family would disown me and all my friends would think I'm a gay. (no offense to any competitors ) ;)
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Well i just finished competing last week were i was on as low as 1200 cals,I pigged out for 4 days then got back on my diet and this mon i just got back in the gym,So far my strength is low and im still holding water unfortunately i hold majority of my fat in my midsection so it sucks,How long is the window for these gains if there is a window?im cruising on prop rite now and im gonna be blasting with sust and deca in 2 weeks maybe an oral with it like anadrol
1,200, that's low, real low...I actually feel sorry for you, lol!
Anyway, you may very well be holding some water, it's just going to happen after a contest diet. There's ways to control it to a degree but some water retention is just going to happen. I always tell most guys to keep their supplements the same the week or two after the show...meaning, if they were taking any fat burners like Clen or T3 to run them for 1-2wks after the show at a very low dose. Also, a diuretic the next couple days when you're having all your pig out meals doesn't hurt, even if it's an OTC form. And then of course there's different rules as it pertains to steroids themselves depending on the guy. Anyway, don't get too worried about your midsection right now, it is possible that you gained a couple pounds of fat if you really pigged out but there's no way on earth you gained a substantial amount, it's more than likely just water and bloat.
I don't know if there's a specific window. I do know your in the prime time for growth right now....you're at a point right now where you'll actually grow with or without steroids. Obviously more with steroids but it's always a good idea to take a break, besides, you'll easily make up any gains you didn't get during this rebound phase with your next full blown bulking cycle.
In the end you just have to listen to your body. If you're really beat down after a long hard diet you probably need more than a week off from training. I can tell you right off the bat it is very easy to beat yourself into the ground after a diet if you're not careful....a lot of guys really hurt their progress this way and it in many cases ends up making them hate bodybuilding.
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u do grow insane after a prep,,, your at your peak time of getting injured too!!!
regarding young guys staying on,,, hit it hard if you want, do your all to win a top level comp as a jnr,, if after your efforts you dont win, keep it as a hobby.... play it safe and look after your self
im sure all the guys here whove competed will agree that you can tell who will rise to the top, they stand out a mile compared to everyone else and if your not delusional you know that altho you look good, you can never be at same level...
it takes more then drug abuse, takes good structure and great genes too ( genes for muscle shape, response to gear etc ), atho half the board like to think otherwise
Palumbo
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1200 kcal a day? :o But how could you get the proteins you need from only 1200 kcal?Very harsh at least...Everyone follows it's dream,so if you dream of being a pro and have the resources for it,go for it.Make sure though you have a good structure and base to begin with...
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Stay healthy and you'll be fine, but never lose sight of the fact that there is a chance you may never bring a child into this planet if you end up staying on, and that's something you will have to live with when you're old and grey and your physique has shrunk. There's a price on everything.
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Stay healthy and you'll be fine, but never lose sight of the fact that there is a chance you may never bring a child into this planet if you end up staying on, and that's something you will have to live with when you're old and grey and your physique has shrunk. There's a price on everything.
thats not necessarily true,,, altho ive never stayed on longer than 6 month, ive used on and off since i was 20, im turning 31 in jan,,, got my gf preg in middle of a cycle couple of weeks after she stoppedf the pill
my mate turned 46 this year, abused the fuck out of gear sice he was 18, has 6 kids, with twins to new wife last year
you dont know if your sperm levels are low until you try, might be an idea for the young bucks to find this out before they start all the abuse....as youl never find a good woman who will want to stay in a childless relationship long term
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Palumbo
exactly.... and countless others along the same lines
by all means compete and have a bit fun with it,, but dont ruin your self for it when you know that there not a chance in hell youl ever even place in pro show or turn pro in the 1st place
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thats not necessarily true,,, altho ive never stayed on longer than 6 month, ive used on and off since i was 20, im turning 31 in jan,,, got my gf preg in middle of a cycle couple of weeks after she stoppedf the pill
my mate turned 46 this year, abused the fuck out of gear sice he was 18, has 6 kids, with twins to new wife last year
you dont know if your sperm levels are low until you try, might be an idea for the young bucks to find this out before they start all the abuse....as youl never find a good woman who will want to stay in a childless relationship long term
for how long do you stay off ?
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I say fuck bulk 10 months out of the year. Whatever you do, DO NOT do any dieting between the ages of 17-22 your just wasting time to grow! Your body will put muscle on at that age faster than any other age it is crucial time!
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I say fuck bulk 10 months out of the year. Whatever you do, DO NOT do any dieting between the ages of 17-22 your just wasting time to grow! Your body will put muscle on at that age faster than any other age it is crucial time!
Thing is I get fat looking at food n hold all my fat in my midsection,do I changed my plans im gonna cut the next week or so n run some dnp for 7 days to drop pure fat that I gained when I binged posr contest,Then im gonna keep diet clean n slowly ramp up cals and keep cardio in,Im gonna.sust at 750mg with tren ace at mayb 100mg Eod..Gonna start off my 1st real offseason the right way pure.lean muscle gains
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I say fuck bulk 10 months out of the year. Whatever you do, DO NOT do any dieting between the ages of 17-22 your just wasting time to grow! Your body will put muscle on at that age faster than any other age it is crucial time!
DUMBEST SHIT I HEARD.
ULL GROW PROVIDED UR ON ENOUGH DRUGS AND HUNGRY ENOUGH TO SATISFY THAT.
BULKING...EAT WHEN HUNGRY, BE IN A GOOD ANABOLIC ENVIRONMENT.
CUTTING..JUST STARVE BUT UP THE FUCKING DOSE.
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I think he meant that at that age you have the best HGH own production...But that doesn't mean you can eat garbage and stay lean ofc...
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Whats your though of a 19 yo staying on?Ill be 20 in a few months and im very serious about bodybuilding,I just competed at my first show as a teen and want to take a full year off and mutate.I wanna be a freak and i wanna compete.I train hard and smart my diet is spot on and my funds goes to bodybuilding.Gh15 also told me i have good structure so that's another plus
ran test-e with dbol kickstart for 12 weeks then into contest prep ran prop,tren,winny
So been on for about 6months now im cruising on 250mg prop till i get my legit hormones to use from now on
Thoughts?
You should NOT stay on. Stop, do pct and give it a rest. Then in a few months start again if you have too. Your body will respond to gear much better.
I as 130 pounds at 19 when i started working out; at 23 i as 175. The only thing that was around here was megamass 2000 (fuck that was a long time ago). I didn't even knew what steroids were!
10 or 20 years from now you're going to meet a fine woman and want to have babies with her. That the cycle of life. If you stay on those babies aren't going to be yours.
Good luck kid
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DUMBEST SHIT I HEARD.
ULL GROW PROVIDED UR ON ENOUGH DRUGS AND HUNGRY ENOUGH TO SATISFY THAT.
BULKING...EAT WHEN HUNGRY, BE IN A GOOD ANABOLIC ENVIRONMENT.
CUTTING..JUST STARVE BUT UP THE FUCKING DOSE.
u missed my point ::)
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I say fuck bulk 10 months out of the year. Whatever you do, DO NOT do any dieting between the ages of 17-22 your just wasting time to grow! Your body will put muscle on at that age faster than any other age it is crucial time!
You grow (and look) much better when lean.
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I think he meant that at that age you have the best HGH own production...But that doesn't mean you can eat garbage and stay lean ofc...
MAYBE IN LITERATURE, BUT NOT EVERYBODYS BUILT THE SAME.
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You grow (and look) much better when lean.
AND THIS IS THE POINT YOU MISSED OF MINE. PERMABULKING...FUCK IS THIS? DANTA SCHOOL OF THINKING.
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You should NOT stay on. Stop, do pct and give it a rest. Then in a few months start again if you have too. Your body will respond to gear much better.
I as 130 pounds at 19 when i started working out; at 23 i as 175. The only thing that was around here was megamass 2000 (fuck that was a long time ago). I didn't even knew what steroids were!
10 or 20 years from now you're going to meet a fine woman and want to have babies with her. That the cycle of life. If you stay on those babies aren't going to be yours.
Good luck kid
Come on... are you serious?
you throw up some anabolic boards BS that no one needs here,
and cycle of life? fine woman ?! wtf are you talking about?
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You grow (and look) much better when lean.
Prove it bro :) The human body will grow just as well when your at 15% as you do at 8%. I know I know.. nutrient partioning is bette at lower bf ::), but people who say they grow better when leaner are growing better when leaner cause they just got done dieting! Of course you will gain muscle dramatically the first few weeks of upping calories after doing a prolonged calorie restricted diet. No shit! Just like orals stop working as well the first few weeks and just like the first 6 weeks of a steroid cycle are when you make the best gains, then it slows down. That's common sense man law of diminshing returns.
But if I had two guys do a 16 week offseason after a show on the same drugs , do you think by week 12 that one guy who is at 9% is going to grow any better than a guy at 15%? I doubt it. As for the nutrient partioning effect, I dont buy it either. Especially when one is swimming in pharmaceuticals..steroid s help nutrient partioning anyways. Even on a good dose of test, I would have to try very hard to get over 15%. If you truly get FAT on a good dose of anabolic steroids and weight training a couple times a week, and not eating like an asbolute slob than gawd help you. I know some guys feel they might grow better on a post show rebound, I cant argue it as I havent been in contest shape at 4% so I don't know maybe their right. But I do know that there are just as many drug abusing permabulkers walking around with as much muscle on their frame as regular competitors. Never said it was gonna be pretty ;)
to quote gh15
"For 90% of guys..especially white fellas, it's impossible to grow while staying lean . It worked for Kevin but that was after many years of trial and error, secondly your not Kevin. Bulk now, cut later,,this is concept people dont understand"
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Come on... are you serious?
you throw up some anabolic boards BS that no one needs here,
and cycle of life? fine woman ?! wtf are you talking about?
lol hes actually right, the kid isnt going to go pro so whats the point? so many delusional people man.... not many young kids stay on even if they compete at the highest level, i know of one and he even said himself hes fucked if he wants kids and hes 19 years old... some of guys have no clue about anything..
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lol hes actually right, the kid isnt going to go pro so whats the point? so many delusional people man.... not many young kids stay on even if they compete at the highest level, i know of one and he even said himself hes fucked if he wants kids and hes 19 years old... some of guys have no clue about anything..
yet so many pros have kids,branch warren prob been on 15+ yrs and got his wife pregnant,Evan just had a baby not to long ago
Lol at you deciding my future
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lol hes actually right, the kid isnt going to go pro so whats the point? so many delusional people man.... not many young kids stay on even if they compete at the highest level, i know of one and he even said himself hes fucked if he wants kids and hes 19 years old... some of guys have no clue about anything..
yes because every "kid" on steroids has aspirations to become a pro ::) You dont think most gym rats are on most of the year? It's all ego, are you comfortable with shrinking? Most importantly . What is your response to steroids like? If you grow slowly and each pound is a fight then you better stay the fuck on and will have to abuse yourself to "get there"... if your one of those lucky fucks who blows up overnight and can get ready for a competition in 12 weeks then you have the luxary of "shrinking" and coming off a few times a year.
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Yeah i am... And guess what those gym rats r pathetic... Listen im all for hormones and i use em half the yr but if u stay on all year and dont compete ur a moron with epic insecurities. If you juice only for pussy youre a delusional loser. Of course girls come with looking awesome but if thats your only way in you are a joke.... Do you know any competitors? I know guys who can go on for six months and do nats. Coming from 185 clean at 6ft and competing at 205. If your not built for it just rethink what youre doing to yourself once in a while. Do what u want in life but the way that some of u make this out to be rocket science is hilarious. Get good steroids. Take steroids. Grow. Know when to use certain compounds but thats only important again if you compete. If you cant be 6 percent and look very impressive on long esters or orals just forget about it.
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yet so many pros have kids,branch warren prob been on 15+ yrs and got his wife pregnant,Evan just had a baby not to long ago
Lol at you deciding my future
Y cuz u dont have what it takes? And you have a naturally looking build? Ur 19. U dont know shit about life. U juice and lift cuz u were a fat kid and have insecurities and u want to bang hot chicks. Atleast you have no shame to post pics and atleast you do compete. In your case though the drugs helped tremendously but prObably so did starving yourself half to death.
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if you wanna stay on if not dont very worse case is you wont be able to have kids and take a 200mg shot of test every 2 weeks imo. SOme people flat ass just dont want kids. Plus even if you do stay on from now to 30 you would prolly still be able to have kid
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^ True in most scenArios. It all comes down to genetics
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I STARTED TO WORK OUT FOR GIRLS, BUT AS TIME WENT ON I STARTED LIFTING FOR MYSELF...AND NOW GIRLS JUST COME.
EPIC LEAN FACE FTW.
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I STARTED TO WORK OUT FOR GIRLS, BUT AS TIME WENT ON I STARTED LIFTING FOR MYSELF...AND NOW GIRLS JUST COME.
EPIC LEAN FACE FTW.
fuck you, bitches dig the happy hamster face;D
Do you use anti estrogens or letro? Honestly that stuff gives me a lean face in a matter of days, but I don't like fucking with those anticancer meds I feel they are more harmful than steroids themselves.
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fuck you, bitches dig the happy hamster face;D
Do you use anti estrogens or letro? Honestly that stuff gives me a lean face in a matter of days, but I don't like fucking with those anticancer meds I feel they are more harmful than steroids themselves.
FEEL THE SAME WAY AS YOU DO. IVE USED MASTERON BEFORE, OTHERWISE I KEEP MY DIET RELATIELY LOW CARB. REALLY TRY TO FIGHT THE WATER WEIGHT, SOMTIMES YOU NEED THE CARBS THOUGH TO FILL OUT. BUT LOW CARB DIET FTW, HIGH PROTEIN HIGH FAT.
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Y cuz u dont have what it takes? And you have a naturally looking build? Ur 19. U dont know shit about life. U juice and lift cuz u were a fat kid and have insecurities and u want to bang hot chicks. Atleast you have no shame to post pics and atleast you do compete. In your case though the drugs helped tremendously but prObably so did starving yourself half to death.
dont we all ???
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FEEL THE SAME WAY AS YOU DO. IVE USED MASTERON BEFORE, OTHERWISE I KEEP MY DIET RELATIELY LOW CARB. REALLY TRY TO FIGHT THE WATER WEIGHT, SOMTIMES YOU NEED THE CARBS THOUGH TO FILL OUT. BUT LOW CARB DIET FTW, HIGH PROTEIN HIGH FAT.
smart man 8) Honestly sometimes I want to lock myself in the closet during my bulking cycles. Girls are so shallow, 5 pounds up or down on the scale is night and day with women. I agree though, Moon face totally fucks your game
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dont we all ???
More of an addiction and high for me
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smart man 8) Honestly sometimes I want to lock myself in the closet during my bulking cycles. Girls are so shallow, 5 pounds up or down on the scale is night and day with women. I agree though, Moon face totally fucks your game
DISCIPLINE. IF U NEED HELP WITH DIET ETC. U KNOW TO JUST MAKE A TOPIC HERE.
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If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times...moon face, lean face, it doesn't matter. You can get the same girls regardless. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about being a supreme fatty, of course that's going to hurt you, but as long as you're not sloppy it shouldn't make a freakin difference and if it is something else needs to be looked at.
As for some other comments in this thread about turning pro and that sort of thing. I agree, the odds of becoming a pro bodybuilder are slim. I'd say the odds of becoming a pro bodybuilder are slimmer than becoming a pro football player and the odds of becoming a pro bodybuilder that makes a decent living bodybuilding is about as likely as becoming president.
You have to figure there's thousands of guys out there who want the top spot and actually look pretty good but there's only a few top spots available, whereas theirs hundreds of NFL million dollar contracts every year. Don't get me wrong, I'm not discouraging anyone from bodybuilding, just stating the reality of the situation.
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when i was 19 i also thought i had my entire life planned out... as each year passes it teaches me how unpredictable life is, and how personal goals change, dramatically.
i also realize that many of the things older ppl told me were very true
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I say fuck it juice yourself to the gills ;D
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I say fuck it juice yourself to the gills ;D
haha well after I do a week long dnp mini cut,im gonna make an offseason log here
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Please share your result with dnp,seems one interesting compound :)
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haha well after I do a week long dnp mini cut,im gonna make an offseason log here
a 19 year old who has never tried good old fashioned dieting once in his life is fucking with DNP. have fun with your "mini cut" ::)
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I have thought about everything you have bro. Honestly come off for a few months here and there. It's good to get your blood pressure healthy for a couple of weeks it's just good to let yourself clean out. Wait until winter time to come off so you don't feel quite as small. Invest in some good supplements. I have used a couple of different things that really help me when I come off. If you want a few suggestions pm me.
I came off with some clomid and I used some igf1 the long version. I kept a lot of my gains and felt great. If you have to pop 10mg of dbol first thing in the morning. You shouldn't be staying on full time at your age.
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a 19 year old who has never tried good old fashioned dieting once in his life is fucking with DNP. have fun with your "mini cut" ::)
lol wut,some of you ppl make me laugh u know nothing about me.In high school I was 225 all fat and cut down to 175 with diet and cardio
plus dnp is like anything else safe if u use it right
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lol wut,some of you ppl make me laugh u know nothing about me.In high school I was 225 all fat and cut down to 175 with diet and cardio
plus dnp is like anything else safe if u use it right
im just saying why take something if you dont need it?
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im just saying why take something if you dont need it?
oh sorry misunderstood
well I just came off a 1200 cal contest diet n post contest I.ate like crazy n blew up,so instead of wasting time cutting ill do a quick dnp run to burn pure fat then.hop on some sust and tren and start tge offsean right by staying lean keepinv a tight waist n adding quality muscle